From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 17:01:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E43716A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:01:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay12-f2.bay12.hotmail.com [64.4.35.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E63643D53 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:01:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter_barton_bsd@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 10:01:36 -0700 Received: from 24.8.138.224 by by12fd.bay12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Aug 2004 17:01:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.8.138.224] X-Originating-Email: [peter_barton_bsd@hotmail.com] X-Sender: peter_barton_bsd@hotmail.com From: "Peter Barton" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 10:01:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Aug 2004 17:01:36.0311 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D45CC70:01C47D69] Subject: DHCP not connecting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 17:01:36 -0000 Hello - I am trying to connect my server to a cable modem but my dhclient can't find any DHCP servers. I have searched all kinds of discussion groups in order to find out what is wrong with it but I don't seem to be able to find the problem. My network card seems to be working (active status in ifconfig output) and I have specified in /etc/rc.conf that I want this card to use DHCP. My understanding is that all the other setup options for a firewall (that's what I want to do) come in play later so I should not have to worry about NAT and IP filtering etc. at this point. I just want to run sysinstall, specify that I want to use DHCP, and see something come back to me. So far it always expires. Thank you very much, Peter _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 8 18:14:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E5116A4CE for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:14:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta9.adelphia.net (mta9.adelphia.net [68.168.78.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDA743D1D for ; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:14:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Barbish3@adelphia.net) Received: from barbish ([67.20.101.71]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02 201-2131-111-104-20040324) with SMTP id <20040808181444.VMXU2023.mta9.adelphia.net@barbish>; Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:14:44 -0400 From: "JJB" To: "Peter Barton" , Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 14:14:42 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: DHCP not connecting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Barbish3@adelphia.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2004 18:14:45 -0000 This is the wrong place to post this question. You should post it to the questions list. Also you need to post the full contents of dmesg.boot and rc.conf file so people can see what you have to determine what is wrong. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Peter Barton Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 1:02 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: DHCP not connecting Hello - I am trying to connect my server to a cable modem but my dhclient can't find any DHCP servers. I have searched all kinds of discussion groups in order to find out what is wrong with it but I don't seem to be able to find the problem. My network card seems to be working (active status in ifconfig output) and I have specified in /etc/rc.conf that I want this card to use DHCP. My understanding is that all the other setup options for a firewall (that's what I want to do) come in play later so I should not have to worry about NAT and IP filtering etc. at this point. I just want to run sysinstall, specify that I want to use DHCP, and see something come back to me. So far it always expires. Thank you very much, Peter _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 9 20:56:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63DFC16A4CE for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:56:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay10-f46.bay10.hotmail.com [64.4.37.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3009143D48 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 20:56:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sfx440@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:56:03 -0700 Received: from 200.24.76.89 by by10fd.bay10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:56:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.24.76.89] X-Originating-Email: [sfx440@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sfx440@hotmail.com From: =?iso-8859-1?B?vyA/?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:56:02 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2004 20:56:03.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[481AAE70:01C47E53] Subject: PPP, dont dial. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 20:56:03 -0000 Hi: I´m a newbie in FreeBSD 5.2.1, i have installed and configured some sevices on it (Xfree, Gnome, Samba). Now I´m trying to set up my internet conexion i use Dial Up , i follow the instruccions on the handbook and the faq but my modem dont works, it its contacted by the ppp but dont dial. What can i do? I use an external Modem attached to the com1, it works on windows with generic drivers, even on linux. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Amor: busca tu ½ naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 07:24:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD5A16A4F4 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:24:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656F043D46 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:24:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stevan.tiefert@freenet.de) Received: from [194.97.55.147] (helo=mx4.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with asmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1BuR08-0005aB-Pe for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:52 +0200 Received: from srbk-d9b9985e.pool.mediaways.net ([217.185.152.94]) 4.41 #1) id 1BuR08-0002iG-7N for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:52 +0200 From: Stevan Tiefert To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:48 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200408100923.54206.stevan.tiefert@freenet.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: PPP, dont dial. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:24:54 -0000 On Monday 09 August 2004 22:56, =BF ? wrote: > Hi: > > I=B4m a newbie in FreeBSD 5.2.1, i have installed and configured some sev= ices > on it (Xfree, Gnome, Samba). Now I=B4m trying to set up my internet conex= ion > i use Dial Up , i follow the instruccions on the handbook and the faq but > my modem dont works, it its contacted by the ppp but dont dial. What can i > do? > > I use an external Modem attached to the com1, it works on windows with > generic drivers, even on linux. > > Thanks. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Amor: busca tu =BD naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello to the guy who is not telling us his name :-( can you attach your /etc/ppp/ppp.conf to the next e-mail, because we need more information! And what you are typing then you are starting ppp! Bye, till next time to the guy who is not telling us his name :-( Mr. Stevan Tiefert =2D-=20 deltree /y c:\windows My suggestion to solve all your problems! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 07:44:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D4F16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:44:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3C943D46 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:44:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deralsem@inbox.ru) Received: from [212.42.59.50] (port=1069 helo=ROVER) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1BuRJ7-000L6x-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:44:29 +0400 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:44:24 +0400 From: DerAlSem X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.10.03) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Nowhere Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1371689745.20040810114424@inbox.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200408100923.54206.stevan.tiefert@freenet.de> References: <200408100923.54206.stevan.tiefert@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected Subject: Starting program in background... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DerAlSem List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:44:31 -0000 How can i run program in background? It cannot be run as a deamon. I read in manual, that i should use "screen" command. But this prog is port from linux, and it seems, there's no screen command under FreeBSD. Starting with "&" parametr have no effect... It's giving me pid, but program continues output to console... -- Best regards, DerAlSem mailto:deralsem@inbox.ru From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 08:42:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC03F16A4CF for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:42:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.mplik.ru (relay.mplik.ru [212.23.64.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C0EB543D2D for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:42:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from alexxisr@mail.ru) Received: from relay.mplik.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by d162.mplik.ru (Postfix) with SMTP id 761C1CB1F2; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:42:30 +0600 (YEKST) Received: from compy.mydom (ats73-38.dialup.mplik.ru [212.23.82.38]) by relay.mplik.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id C33EACAA0B; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:42:29 +0600 (YEKST) Received: from alexx (helo=localhost) by compy.mydom with local-esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1BuSDB-0000y0-8a; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:42:25 +0600 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:42:25 +0600 (YEKST) From: =?koi8-r?B?8s/T08nIyc4g4czFy9PFyg==?= To: Stevan Tiefert In-Reply-To: <200408100923.54206.stevan.tiefert@freenet.de> Message-ID: <20040810143728.T3699@compy.mydom> References: <200408100923.54206.stevan.tiefert@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.503586, version=0.12.3 X-Sagator-Scanner: 0.4.9-0rc1; drop(clamd()) deliver(BogoFilter()) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PPP, dont dial. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:42:33 -0000 On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Stevan Tiefert wrote: > On Monday 09 August 2004 22:56, ? ? wrote: > > Hi: > > > > I?m a newbie in FreeBSD 5.2.1, i have installed and configured some sevices > > on it (Xfree, Gnome, Samba). Now I?m trying to set up my internet conexion > > i use Dial Up , i follow the instruccions on the handbook and the faq but > > my modem dont works, it its contacted by the ppp but dont dial. What can i > > do? > > > > I use an external Modem attached to the com1, it works on windows with > > generic drivers, even on linux. > > > > Thanks. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Amor: busca tu ? naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > Hello to the guy who is not telling us his name :-( > > can you attach your > /etc/ppp/ppp.conf > to the next e-mail, because we need more information! > And what you are typing then you are starting ppp! > > Bye, till next time to the guy who is not telling us his name :-( > Mr. > Stevan Tiefert > > -- > deltree /y c:\windows > My suggestion to solve all your problems! > For my opinion deltree is not the best way. newfs /dev/ad0s1 is more usefull, is not it? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 13:39:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8879C16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:39:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1401A43D1F for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:39:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:35:24 -0500 Message-ID: <4118CF72.7010702@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:36:50 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DerAlSem References: <200408100923.54206.stevan.tiefert@freenet.de> <1371689745.20040810114424@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <1371689745.20040810114424@inbox.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2004 13:35:37.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB6809C0:01C47EDE] cc: questions@freesd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting program in background... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:39:11 -0000 DerAlSem wrote: >How can i run program in background? It cannot be run as a deamon. I >read in manual, that i should use "screen" command. But this prog is >port from linux, and it seems, there's no screen command under >FreeBSD. Starting with "&" parametr have no effect... It's giving me >pid, but program continues output to console... > > > Hello, Technical questions should be posted to the questions@freebsd.org list (which I am cc'ing). I assume that you are being told to use the "screen" port /usr/ports/misc/screen, which is a GNU program. I don't know much about that. You could also use script(1), which was designed for this sort of thing. And yes, you could use "&" and console redirection... % somecommand > /home/me/logfile & This works under either the Bourne or C shells and would send "somecommand" into the background under shell job control and send all stdout to the logfile. Error messages, however, would still be written to console. If you use Bourne shell, you can redirect both stdout and stderr by doing it this way: $ somecommand> /home/me/logfile 2>&1 But csh/tcsh doesn't like that, so script(1) is the better option. HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 16:35:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B2B16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:35:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 4bugs.org (fia144-31.dsl.hccnet.nl [62.251.31.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D01843D4C for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:35:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@sietze.com) Received: from m2w95 by sistemaseuropeos.com (Cipher TLSv1:RC4-MD5:40) (MDaemon.PRO.v7.1.0.R) with ESMTP id md50000026976.msg for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:06:53 +0200 From: "sietze" To: "DerAlSem" , Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:06:53 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <1371689745.20040810114424@inbox.ru> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: freebsd@sietze.com X-Spam-Processed: sistemaseuropeos.com, Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:06:53 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-Return-Path: freebsd@sietze.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-MDAV-Processed: sistemaseuropeos.com, Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:06:54 +0200 Subject: RE: Starting program in background... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sietze List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:35:53 -0000 > How can i run program in background? It cannot be run as a deamon. I > read in manual, that i should use "screen" command. But this prog is > port from linux, and it seems, there's no screen command under > FreeBSD. Starting with "&" parametr have no effect... It's giving me > pid, but program continues output to console... Correct me if I am wrong, but adding "&" to a command only means that the shell does not wait for the command to finish before returning you to the prompt. If the command produces any output it will go to the standard output stream, usually the screen. Piping the output into an alternative output stream, using ">" is not a solution? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 17:14:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E0716A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:14:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A90643D1D for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:14:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from freesurf.fr (du-209-9.nat.adsl.claranet.fr [212.43.209.9]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7DD2A5FA5; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:14:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4117B1DE.9010807@freesurf.fr> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:18:22 +0200 From: Olivier Gautherot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040709 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DerAlSem References: <200408100923.54206.stevan.tiefert@freenet.de> <1371689745.20040810114424@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <1371689745.20040810114424@inbox.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting program in background... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:14:12 -0000 DerAlSem wrote: >How can i run program in background? It cannot be run as a deamon. I >read in manual, that i should use "screen" command. But this prog is >port from linux, and it seems, there's no screen command under >FreeBSD. Starting with "&" parametr have no effect... It's giving me >pid, but program continues output to console... > > > You can start the command using "at", like at now my_command Note that all outputs (stdout and stderr) will be sent to you by email :-) Hope it helps Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 10 18:35:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F4A16A4CE for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:35:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED7943D2D for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:35:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from freesurf.fr (du-209-9.nat.adsl.claranet.fr [212.43.209.9]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D4A2A61AF; Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:35:27 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <41191570.1010104@freesurf.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:35:28 +0200 From: Olivier Gautherot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040709 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sietze References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: DerAlSem cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Starting program in background... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:35:29 -0000 sietze wrote: > > How can i run program in background? It cannot be run as a deamon. I > > read in manual, that i should use "screen" command. But this prog is > > port from linux, and it seems, there's no screen command under > > FreeBSD. Starting with "&" parametr have no effect... It's giving me > > pid, but program continues output to console... > >Correct me if I am wrong, but adding "&" to a command only means that the >shell does not wait for the command to finish before returning you to the >prompt. > >If the command produces any output it will go to the standard output stream, >usually the screen. >Piping the output into an alternative output stream, using ">" is not a >solution? > > From a general point of view, there are cases where you want to detach your process from a terminal. That's where the at command can help. Otherwise, pipes and redirections can often do miracles :-) Cheers Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 07:57:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2395B16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:57:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20CB043D1F for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:57:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from deralsem@inbox.ru) Received: from [212.42.59.50] (port=1059 helo=ROVER) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1Bunz3-0004ED-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:57:17 +0400 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:57:13 +0400 From: DerAlSem X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.10.03) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Nowhere Inc. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1514555104.20040811115713@inbox.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected Subject: man man... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: DerAlSem List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:57:20 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, -bash-2.05b$ man man ctype locale: Invalid argument What is "ctype locale"? -- Best regards, DerAlSem mailto:deralsem@inbox.ru From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 11 16:14:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7EC16A4CE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:14:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6451F43D2F for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:14:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:10:44 -0500 Message-ID: <411A45D7.5020909@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:14:15 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DerAlSem References: <1514555104.20040811115713@inbox.ru> In-Reply-To: <1514555104.20040811115713@inbox.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2004 16:10:45.0240 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1EE8F80:01C47FBD] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: man man... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:14:18 -0000 DerAlSem wrote: >Hello freebsd-newbies, > >-bash-2.05b$ man man >ctype locale: Invalid argument > >What is "ctype locale"? > > Don't you mean: -bash-2.05b$ whatis ctype locale -bash-2.05b$ man ctype -bash-2.05b$ man locale It's all there, AFAIK. ;-) KDK From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 03:50:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C5816A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:50:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B93843D53 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:50:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from r11roadster@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO Tarabon) (r11roadster@68.119.38.69 with login) by smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2004 03:50:55 -0000 From: "Ronny Hippler" To: "freebsd newbies" Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:50:42 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <4117B1DE.9010807@freesurf.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040812035059.7B93843D53@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Starting program in background... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ronny Hippler List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 03:50:59 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 19:18:22 +0200, Olivier Gautherot wrote: >You can start the command using "at", like > at now my_command >Note that all outputs (stdout and stderr) will be sent to you by email :-) Or he could install detach (it's in ports) and use that. no annoying emails :) - -- German word for Constipation...Farfrompoopin.. Ronny Hippler || Spartanburg SC http://www.ronnyhippler.com/ || ftp://ftp.vr5.dyndns.org:2112/ For PGP key email with "PGPKey" in the subject -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBQRrpEjeqiUsaKJ66EQJqwgCg38ax76u38oyFRrbT5vhpdJ6YeNwAmwSO lktgywm02QeDuiZ5ccXF1ro9 =UJsR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 16:56:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1E916A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:56:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F9F43D41 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:56:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avalon_temp@mail.ru) Received: from [80.237.26.193] (port=5578 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1BvIrQ-000K72-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:55:28 +0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:49:44 +0300 From: none X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.10.01) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <171320235.20040812194944@none.no> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: none List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:56:34 -0000 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 12 20:58:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD2916A4CE for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:58:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganzman.no-ip.org (cable-181-97.inter.net.il [80.230.181.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2F143D31 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:58:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) Received: from [192.168.100.230] (account ganzman HELO ganzman.no-ip.org) by ganzman.no-ip.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 1440652 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:45:06 -0400 Message-ID: <411BF570.7030702@ganzman.no-ip.org> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:55:44 +0000 From: ganzman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: amule crush in 4.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:58:29 -0000 *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* i have 4.1 stable and am trying to get rid of that awfull xmule !!! installation of amule from ports tree go'es well but when i run it i get : Initialising aMule Config: x1: 0 y1: 27 x2: 1024 y2: 693 split read, found : 340 srv_split read, found : 0 Server listening on port 4712. Abort (core dumped) my system is : 4.1 gnome2 wxgtk2 what need i do to get it to run? this is the closest to reasonable ed2k client From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 02:40:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A2516A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62E1E43D2D for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:40:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from r11roadster@yahoo.com) Received: from unknown (HELO Tarabon) (r11roadster@68.119.38.69 with login) by smtp108.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2004 02:40:57 -0000 From: "Ronny Hippler" To: "freebsd newbies" , "ganzman" Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:40:46 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) In-Reply-To: <411BF570.7030702@ganzman.no-ip.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20040813024057.62E1E43D2D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: amule crush in 4.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ronny Hippler List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 02:40:57 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 22:55:44 +0000, ganzman wrote: >this is the closest to reasonable ed2k client Tried ML donkey? works pretty good for me plus it supports other networks. - -- All wiyht. 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Ronny Hippler || Spartanburg SC http://www.ronnyhippler.com/ || ftp://ftp.vr5.dyndns.org:2112/ For PGP key email with "PGPKey" in the subject -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBQRwqLjeqiUsaKJ66EQJB2wCg4+xyewUXH0qq3zjHoyzjiF1kymAAn1aB 2mtdSnEcxTe1gab+a8VHm9By =lJfr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 13 19:10:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4BC16A4CE for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:10:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5538B43D45 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i7DJALhi039035 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:10:21 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i7DJAKQC039034 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:10:20 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:10:20 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200408131910.i7DJAKQC039034@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:10:21 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________