From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 3 11:01:59 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37AF016A4CE for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:01:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0974B43D54 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:01:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j03B1wEQ006081 for ; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:01:58 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j03B1wtR006075 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:01:58 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:01:58 GMT Message-Id: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:01:59 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2004/12/20] alpha/75317 alpha ATA DMA broken on PCalpha 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/09/10] alpha/30486 alpha AlphaServer DS10 floppy access is broken o [2001/09/10] alpha/30487 alpha Floppy access on AlphaServer DS20 solid l o [2003/02/05] alpha/47952 alpha DEFPA causes machine check with V5.0-rele o [2003/11/10] alpha/59116 alpha [ntfs] mount_ntfs of a Windows 2000-forma o [2004/01/26] alpha/61940 alpha Can't disklabel new disk from FreeBSD/alp o [2004/01/27] alpha/61973 alpha Machine Check on boot-up of AlphaServer 2 f [2004/06/06] alpha/67626 alpha X crashes an alpha machine, resulting reb 7 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/01/27] alpha/24663 alpha Console output gets scribbled into /var/l o [2001/02/22] alpha/25284 alpha PC164 won't reboot with graphics console o [2001/06/07] alpha/27930 alpha NE2000 not supported on FreeBSD Alpha 4.x o [2001/06/07] alpha/27933 alpha Time jitter under load on FreeBSD 4.3 alp f [2001/07/29] alpha/29299 alpha FreeBSD 4.3 Alpha + Tekram SCSI adapter p o [2001/10/01] alpha/30970 alpha Ensoniq 1371 (Creative chipset) does not o [2002/01/24] alpha/34232 alpha rpc.statd throws alignment errors o [2002/05/13] alpha/38031 alpha osf1.ko not loaded during boot-time of li p [2002/11/12] alpha/45240 alpha pstat -f column headings misaligned on Al o [2003/02/25] alpha/48676 alpha Changing the baud rate of serial consoles o [2003/04/12] alpha/50868 alpha fd0 floppy device is not mapped into /dev o [2004/05/10] alpha/66478 alpha unexpected machine check: panic for 4.9, o [2004/06/13] alpha/67903 alpha hw.chipset.memory: 1099511627776 - thats 13 problems total. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 11:31:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63CF16A4CF for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:31:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zdemail03.zdem.compaq.com (zdemail03.zdem.compaq.com [161.114.112.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF33A43D3F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:31:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chang-yu.lieou@hp.com) Received: from demexg11.emea.cpqcorp.net (demexg11.emea.cpqcorp.net [16.41.86.138]) by zdemail03.zdem.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D6B885 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:31:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from broexc03.emea.cpqcorp.net ([16.183.17.26]) by demexg11.emea.cpqcorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:31:36 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:30:35 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD Boot on a Alpha 433 Thread-Index: AcTzGflB+k12ud29SyeMAxL48DZJcA== From: "Lieou, Chang Yu" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Jan 2005 11:31:36.0196 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D728440:01C4F31A] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: FreeBSD Boot on a Alpha 433 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:31:41 -0000 Hello, =20 Sorry this disturbe you. =20 Had same type machine PWS500a within a Matrox Millenium Graphic card. And has same error when boot from FreeBSD 5.3 install CD, =20 If you have workaround to this problem, hope can be have this workaround. =20 Thanks, Regards. =20 Chang-Yu Lieou =20 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 11:34:49 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D61616A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:34:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A03C443D3F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:34:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) j05BYl9l001086; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:34:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j05BYkqZ051349; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:34:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j05BYkZJ051348; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:34:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 12:34:46 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Lieou, Chang Yu" Message-ID: <20050105113446.GA51333@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-RC1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Boot on a Alpha 433 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 11:34:49 -0000 On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 12:30:35PM +0100, Lieou, Chang Yu wrote.. > Hello, > > > > Sorry this disturbe you. > > > > Had same type machine PWS500a within a Matrox Millenium Graphic card. > And has same error when boot from FreeBSD 5.3 install CD, What error? -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 16:41:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91D716A4F9 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:41:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (adsl-216-158-26-62.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.26.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE41F43D48 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:41:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) j06GdUl343099 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:39:31 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.mcgillsociety.org/magill.jpg From: "William H. Magill" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:41:28 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Documentation and similar issues with 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 16:41:32 -0000 As I'm learning FreeBSD after a long career with Ultrix/DU/Tru64, I am finding that A LOT of the documentation not only does not refer to 5.3, but is EXTREMELY PC oriented. 1) Is there any Alpha oriented documentation? 2) Does anybody have any descriptions of "rational" disk layouts for 4 or 9 gig drives? [Both boot and "other"] ... especially since I have a "blue" SW shelf of "VW" drives. 2A) The obsolete documention (#3 below) refers to some kind of "dedicated to FreeBSD" concept (again, clearly a PC concept)... but, bsdlabel complains if one newfs the "c" partition (i.e. whole disk). # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 17773508 16 unused 0 0 c: 17773524 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 # "raw" part, don't edit disklabel: partition c is not marked as unused! disklabel: An incorrect partition c may cause problems for standard system utilities 3) Does anybody have a description of the disk initialization process which applies to 5.3? The "diskformatting tutorial" hasn't been updated since 1997, and is simply wrong! The "handbook section 16.3.1 is also wrong. Probably the most glaring "error" I find is a constant reference to "fdisk" which no longer exists! 4) Other miscellaneous: disklabel is now bsdlabel -- They are linked, but the options are different, making all the various "command line" examples wrong. Similarly, the man page has a "machine" option, but is not defined. 5) The drives I am playing with at the moment are: "Blue" StorageWorks in a Blue Shelf -- DS-RZ1DA-VW 9.1G -- recognized by SRM as: BB00911CA0 FW: 3B05. "disklabel -A da1" displays the drives as 3600 RPM, when I know they are 7200 RPM drives. Drives were labeled with: "disklabel -w da1" T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.7 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 6 18:26:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC7C16A4CE for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:26:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BD443D1D for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:26:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) j06IQjxx084515; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:26:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j06IQica057959; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:26:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j06IQifH057958; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:26:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 19:26:44 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "William H. Magill" Message-ID: <20050106182644.GA57934@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-RC1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation and similar issues with 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 18:26:52 -0000 On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:41:28AM -0500, William H. Magill wrote.. > As I'm learning FreeBSD after a long career with Ultrix/DU/Tru64, I am > finding that A LOT of the documentation not only does not refer to 5.3, > but is EXTREMELY PC oriented. > > 1) Is there any Alpha oriented documentation? Yes :) See http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.3R/hardware-alpha.html It is also on the CD in txt format. > 2) Does anybody have any descriptions of "rational" disk layouts for > 4 or 9 gig drives? [Both boot and "other"] > ... especially since I have a "blue" SW shelf of "VW" drives. You could use Auto from sysinstall for a start. > 2A) The obsolete documention (#3 below) refers to some kind of > "dedicated > to FreeBSD" concept (again, clearly a PC concept)... PeeCee.. yeah.. > but, bsdlabel complains if one newfs the "c" partition (i.e. whole > disk). > > # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 17773508 16 unused 0 0 > c: 17773524 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 # "raw" part, > don't edit > disklabel: partition c is not marked as unused! > disklabel: An incorrect partition c may cause problems for standard > system utilities newfs 'a' instead. > > 3) Does anybody have a description of the disk initialization process > which applies to 5.3? > > The "diskformatting tutorial" hasn't been updated since 1997, and is > simply wrong! > The "handbook section 16.3.1 is also wrong. No need to format SCSI disks in your StorageWorks shelf. > Probably the most glaring "error" I find is a constant reference to > "fdisk" which no longer exists! fdisk is a PeeCee concept, it is not used on Alpha. > 5) The drives I am playing with at the moment are: > > "Blue" StorageWorks in a Blue Shelf -- DS-RZ1DA-VW 9.1G -- recognized > by SRM as: BB00911CA0 FW: 3B05. > > "disklabel -A da1" displays the drives as 3600 RPM, when I know they > are 7200 RPM drives. It displays 3600rpm for everything. Not to worry. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 04:52:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5570C16A4CE; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:52:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC66C43D54; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 04:52:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j074qHej074124; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:52:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j074qHfn090010; Thu, 6 Jan 2005 23:52:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca 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code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. TB --- 2005-01-07 04:52:16 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-01-07 04:52:16 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-01-07 04:52:16 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 15:19:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9FE16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:19:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (adsl-216-158-26-62.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.26.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EFC43D55 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:19:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) j07FHCl345286; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:17:21 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050106182644.GA57934@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> <20050106182644.GA57934@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <05847D56-604E-11D9-8A59-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.mcgillsociety.org/magill.jpg From: "William H. Magill" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 20:47:00 -0500 To: Wilko Bulte X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation and similar issues with 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 15:19:46 -0000 On 06 Jan, 2005, at 13:26, Wilko Bulte wrote: >> 2) Does anybody have any descriptions of "rational" disk layouts for >> 4 or 9 gig drives? [Both boot and "other"] >> ... especially since I have a "blue" SW shelf of "VW" drives. > > You could use Auto from sysinstall for a start. As I recall, I couldn't get "Auto" to work. I had to define layouts manually. I know that there were one or two places in the sysinstall that didn't work as one would expect them to work. I plan on re-installing multiple times, so I'll take better notes the next time around. >> 3) Does anybody have a description of the disk initialization process >> which applies to 5.3? >> >> The "diskformatting tutorial" hasn't been updated since 1997, and >> is >> simply wrong! >> The "handbook section 16.3.1 is also wrong. > > No need to format SCSI disks in your StorageWorks shelf. Could you elaborate on this? I suspect we may mean different things by "format." If they are not labeled and newfs'd how does one mount them? (I had been using them with Tru64 earlier, so they had labels not recognized by FreeBSD.) Note also that this shelf is NOT using the RAID card ... I have to find a floppy with the code for the Mylex DAC960 -- that's my next project. >> Probably the most glaring "error" I find is a constant reference to >> "fdisk" which no longer exists! > > fdisk is a PeeCee concept, it is not used on Alpha. It would be good if there was something, somewhere which said that ... like maybe in section 2.2 of the hardware notes. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.7 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 16:03:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FBE16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:03:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FACC43D1D for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:03:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j07G38Nl046689; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:03:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j07G382h063247; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:03:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j07G387c063246; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:03:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:03:08 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "William H. Magill" Message-ID: <20050107160308.GA63225@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> <20050106182644.GA57934@freebie.xs4all.nl> <05847D56-604E-11D9-8A59-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <05847D56-604E-11D9-8A59-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-RC1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation and similar issues with 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 16:03:11 -0000 On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:47:00PM -0500, William H. Magill wrote.. > On 06 Jan, 2005, at 13:26, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >>2) Does anybody have any descriptions of "rational" disk layouts for > >> 4 or 9 gig drives? [Both boot and "other"] > >> ... especially since I have a "blue" SW shelf of "VW" drives. > > > >You could use Auto from sysinstall for a start. > > As I recall, I couldn't get "Auto" to work. I had to define layouts > manually. That is strange, given that it worked for me the last times I built the release ISOs. We have had problems in the past with disks that contained previous Tru64 or OVMS data / disklabels. Zeroing the disks before use with 'dd' or somesuch fixed that. I do believe this issue was fixed but I am not sure. > >> The "handbook section 16.3.1 is also wrong. > > > >No need to format SCSI disks in your StorageWorks shelf. > > Could you elaborate on this? I suspect we may mean different things by > "format." > > If they are not labeled and newfs'd how does one mount them? (I had > been using them with Tru64 earlier, so they had labels not recognized > by FreeBSD.) Note also that this shelf is NOT using the RAID card ... I > have to find a floppy with the code for the Mylex DAC960 -- that's my > next project. OK, yes, we mean different things. Formatting for me is sending your SCSI disks a FORMAT UNIT SCSI command. Creating filesystems / newfs-ing are obviously needed to do something sensible with the disks > >fdisk is a PeeCee concept, it is not used on Alpha. > > It would be good if there was something, somewhere which said that ... > like maybe in section 2.2 of the hardware notes. Well, yeah... There is probably more like this stuff missing. Lemme see if I can add that info. Note that there is a generic and a Alpha specific part in the notes, these are generated from different source files. proc-alpha.sgml is my baby, and like the name indicates contains the alpha specific stuff. Wilko -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 17:39:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A21B016A4E9 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:39:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (adsl-216-158-26-62.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.26.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37BA943D48 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 17:39:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) j07HbPl345575; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:37:36 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20050107160308.GA63225@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> <20050106182644.GA57934@freebie.xs4all.nl> <05847D56-604E-11D9-8A59-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <20050107160308.GA63225@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <113C217E-60D3-11D9-8564-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.mcgillsociety.org/magill.jpg From: "William H. Magill" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:39:22 -0500 To: Wilko Bulte X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation and similar issues with 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:39:51 -0000 On 07 Jan, 2005, at 11:03, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:47:00PM -0500, William H. Magill wrote.. >> On 06 Jan, 2005, at 13:26, Wilko Bulte wrote: >>>> 2) Does anybody have any descriptions of "rational" disk layouts for >>>> 4 or 9 gig drives? [Both boot and "other"] >>>> ... especially since I have a "blue" SW shelf of "VW" drives. >>> >>> You could use Auto from sysinstall for a start. >> >> As I recall, I couldn't get "Auto" to work. I had to define layouts >> manually. > > That is strange, given that it worked for me the last times I built the > release ISOs. We have had problems in the past with disks that > contained previous Tru64 or OVMS data / disklabels. Zeroing the disks > before use with 'dd' or somesuch fixed that. I do believe this issue > was fixed but I am not sure. In this particular case, the disk had previously had OpenBSD installed. However, I had been unable to install OpenBSD until I used the "Jump Start" CD from Q to "clear" the old labels. (The disk prior to that had had NetBSD Installed on it!) Is there an installation "log file" where values and etc input are recorded? > OK, yes, we mean different things. Formatting for me is sending your > SCSI > disks a FORMAT UNIT SCSI command. Creating filesystems / newfs-ing > are obviously needed to do something sensible with the disks Ok, that's what I guessed. After thinking a bit I realized that I had lapsed into "unspecific terminology." Thinking back, I can't remember when the last time was that I wound up issuing a FORMAT Unit command for any reason! >>> fdisk is a PeeCee concept, it is not used on Alpha. >> >> It would be good if there was something, somewhere which said that ... >> like maybe in section 2.2 of the hardware notes. > > Well, yeah... There is probably more like this stuff missing. Lemme > see > if I can add that info. Note that there is a generic and a Alpha > specific > part in the notes, these are generated from different source files. > proc-alpha.sgml is my baby, and like the name indicates contains the > alpha > specific stuff. I'll go through my notes and "pay attention" when I re-install, to see if there is anything else that might be of particular difference with the Alpha install. The one thing which I have noticed, however, is that that there is nothing I have been able to find which recommends partition sizes, especially for various disk geometries. As I recall, there were quite a number of "unused sector" (or something like that) messages during the initialization. The partition sizes I picked wound up with only 39% used for / but 70% used for /usr, and 2% for /var. With a 9 gig drive: xp1> sudo disklabel da0 # /dev/da0: 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 262144 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 16392 b: 2097152 262144 swap c: 17773524 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, don't edit d: 409600 2359296 4.2BSD 2048 16384 25608 e: 4194304 2768896 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 f: 10810324 6963200 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 Where: a= / b= swap d= /var e= /usr f= /local0 I think I used A- 100 meg B- 2 gig D- 400 meg E-4 gig F- rest. (I did use the "meg" and "gig" terms in the initilaization) T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.7 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 20:44:12 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF7AA16A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:44:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (adsl-216-158-26-62.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.26.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F3943D39 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:44:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) j07Kfnl345852 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:41:52 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.mcgillsociety.org/magill.jpg From: "William H. Magill" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:43:46 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: zsh as ksh in 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:44:12 -0000 Is there anything "strange" about zsh as ksh in 5.3 on the Alpha? (or maybe with the term configurations ... TERM=xterm-color or vt100) I'm trying to stick a newline in my prompt. With "set -x" on, the prompt string displays correctly as a two line prompt. However, after being set, the actual screen prompt displays only the second line; as if the newline is being eaten by termio. ("set" displays the prompt, PS1, correctly as a 2 line prompt.) I'm evoking zsh as ksh from /etc/passwd as my login shell. The prompt string works as expected (2 line output) in ksh under Tru64. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.7 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 7 20:54:29 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB6916A4CE for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:54:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B59243D1F for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:54:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j07KsRYb022778; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:54:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j07KsRtr064510; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:54:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j07KsRoa064509; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:54:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:54:27 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "William H. Magill" Message-ID: <20050107205427.GB64477@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> <20050106182644.GA57934@freebie.xs4all.nl> <05847D56-604E-11D9-8A59-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <20050107160308.GA63225@freebie.xs4all.nl> <113C217E-60D3-11D9-8564-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <113C217E-60D3-11D9-8564-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-RC1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation and similar issues with 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:54:29 -0000 On Fri, Jan 07, 2005 at 12:39:22PM -0500, William H. Magill wrote.. > On 07 Jan, 2005, at 11:03, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 08:47:00PM -0500, William H. Magill wrote.. > >>On 06 Jan, 2005, at 13:26, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >>>>2) Does anybody have any descriptions of "rational" disk layouts for > >>>> 4 or 9 gig drives? [Both boot and "other"] > >>>> ... especially since I have a "blue" SW shelf of "VW" drives. > >>> .. > Is there an installation "log file" where values and etc input are > recorded? Hm, no, not that I know of. > into "unspecific terminology." Thinking back, I can't remember when the > last time > was that I wound up issuing a FORMAT Unit command for any reason! O, I can: 520byte/block disks taken out of a raidbox needed a lowlevel to be usable :) > >Well, yeah... There is probably more like this stuff missing. Lemme > >see > >if I can add that info. Note that there is a generic and a Alpha > >specific The fdisk thing is now in the docs. > nothing I > have been able to find which recommends partition sizes, especially for > various No, there is not that I have ever seen. > I think I used A- 100 meg B- 2 gig D- 400 meg E-4 gig F- rest. > (I did use the "meg" and "gig" terms in the initilaization) I typically use 256MB for root, RAMsize+1Mbyte for swap, the rest for /usr. But that is for testmachines, YMMV, greatly vary I might add. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 04:06:11 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494DD16A4CE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:06:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (adsl-216-158-26-62.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.26.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89B343D31 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 04:06:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) j08448l346789 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:04:08 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FB260AA-612A-11D9-AB6E-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.mcgillsociety.org/magill.jpg From: "William H. Magill" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:06:07 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: zsh as ksh in 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 04:06:11 -0000 On 07 Jan, 2005, at 15:43, William H. Magill wrote: > Is there anything "strange" about zsh as ksh in 5.3 on the Alpha? > (or maybe with the term configurations ... TERM=xterm-color or vt100) > > I'm trying to stick a newline in my prompt. > > With "set -x" on, the prompt string displays correctly as a two line > prompt. > However, after being set, the actual screen prompt displays only the > second > line; as if the newline is being eaten by termio. ("set" displays the > prompt, > PS1, correctly as a 2 line prompt.) > > I'm evoking zsh as ksh from /etc/passwd as my login shell. > > The prompt string works as expected (2 line output) in ksh under Tru64. In partial answer to my own question. The prompt string I'm trying to use works as expected when zsh is used as the login shell, but not when zsh is evoked as ksh for a login shell. So the issue is clearly with zsh itself. ... off to zsh-users. T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.7 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 11:41:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E38016A4CE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:41:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.nerdshack.com (mail.nerdshack.com [206.123.69.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D384B43D1F for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:41:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@mailshack.com) Received: from cartman.mailshack.com (dialup-11.89.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au [203.221.89.11]) by mail.nerdshack.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440E58BC003; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 05:41:36 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050108224000.02955a80@mail.nerdshack.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:41:23 +1100 To: Wilko Bulte , alpha@freebsd.org From: Rob B In-Reply-To: <20041230151225.GA75928@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20041230151225.GA75928@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Call for testers: please test 4.11-RC1 on your Alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 11:41:46 -0000 At 02:12 AM 31/12/2004, Wilko Bulte wrote: >Hi > >We need more testing done on the various Alpha models for >the upcoming 4.11 release. > >Please check out http://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/testhw.html >to see what Alpha models have been tested sofar. > >If you do not have spare disk capacity to do an install onto, >by all means at least test a boot into the installer. This >ensures we do not end up with uncaught boot / loader problems. > >The installer as such as works OK in testing sofar. Are there floppy images of 4.11RC2 available? I can't seem to find them thus far. If I can get the floppies, I can boot into the installer on my PC64 and Miata. cheers, Rob -- Error in operator: add beer This is random quote 489 of 1264. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 13:28:39 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6E416A4CE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:28:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.nerdshack.com (mail.nerdshack.com [206.123.69.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB9C43D49 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 13:28:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@mailshack.com) Received: from cartman.mailshack.com (dialup-11.89.221.203.acc50-kent-syd.comindico.com.au [203.221.89.11]) by mail.nerdshack.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B0F8BC011; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:28:27 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050109002312.02c96aa8@mail.nerdshack.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2005 00:27:57 +1100 To: "William H. Magill" From: Rob B In-Reply-To: <113C217E-60D3-11D9-8564-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> References: <200501031101.j03B1wtR006075@freefall.freebsd.org> <20050106182644.GA57934@freebie.xs4all.nl> <05847D56-604E-11D9-8A59-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <20050107160308.GA63225@freebie.xs4all.nl> <113C217E-60D3-11D9-8564-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Documentation and similar issues with 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 13:28:39 -0000 At 04:39 AM 8/01/2005, William H. Magill wrote: >The one thing which I have noticed, however, is that that there is nothing I >have been able to find which recommends partition sizes, especially for >various >disk geometries. As I recall, there were quite a number of "unused sector" >(or something like that) messages during the initialization. > >The partition sizes I picked wound up with only 39% used for / but 70% >used for /usr, and 2% for /var. With a 9 gig drive: > > xp1> sudo disklabel da0 ># /dev/da0: >8 partitions: ># size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > a: 262144 0 4.2BSD 2048 16384 16392 > b: 2097152 262144 swap > c: 17773524 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, > don't edit > d: 409600 2359296 4.2BSD 2048 16384 25608 > e: 4194304 2768896 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 > f: 10810324 6963200 4.2BSD 2048 16384 28528 >Where: >a= / >b= swap >d= /var >e= /usr >f= /local0 > >I think I used A- 100 meg B- 2 gig D- 400 meg E-4 gig F- rest. >(I did use the "meg" and "gig" terms in the initilaization) You'll want a /home partition, or symlink /home to somewhere with more space (like /local0) cheers, Rob -- The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. This is random quote 1053 of 1264. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 14:23:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B514B16A4CE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:23:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E9143D39 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 14:23:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j08ENl5d055210; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:23:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j08ENjAW074815; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:23:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j08ENjOS074814; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:23:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 15:23:45 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Rob B Message-ID: <20050108142345.GA74797@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20041230151225.GA75928@freebie.xs4all.nl> <6.2.0.14.2.20050108224000.02955a80@mail.nerdshack.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050108224000.02955a80@mail.nerdshack.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-RC1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Call for testers: please test 4.11-RC1 on your Alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 14:23:52 -0000 On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:41:23PM +1100, Rob B wrote.. > At 02:12 AM 31/12/2004, Wilko Bulte wrote: > >Hi > > > >We need more testing done on the various Alpha models for > >the upcoming 4.11 release. > > > >Please check out http://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/testhw.html > >to see what Alpha models have been tested sofar. > > > >If you do not have spare disk capacity to do an install onto, > >by all means at least test a boot into the installer. This > >ensures we do not end up with uncaught boot / loader problems. > > > >The installer as such as works OK in testing sofar. > > Are there floppy images of 4.11RC2 available? I can't seem to find them > thus far. If I can get the floppies, I can boot into the installer on my > PC64 and Miata. I sofar only had uploaded the ISO images. Per your suggestion I am uploading the ftp bits (these include the floppy images etc) at the moment. It will take an hour or 2 to upload to ftp-master, and then some time for the ftp-mirrors to pick it up from there (don't know how often the mirrors do their sync to ftp-master). Please let me know how it goes once the stuff is available. Oh, this is RC2 that I am uploading right now, not RC1. Wilko -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 16:17:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F1516A4CE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:17:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28F0343D45 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:17:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j08GHsxo068769; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:17:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j08GHskK075164; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:17:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j08GHsxj075163; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:17:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:17:54 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Rob B Message-ID: <20050108161754.GA75143@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20041230151225.GA75928@freebie.xs4all.nl> <6.2.0.14.2.20050108224000.02955a80@mail.nerdshack.com> <20050108142345.GA74797@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20050108142345.GA74797@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-RC1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Call for testers: please test 4.11-RC1 on your Alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:17:57 -0000 On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 03:23:45PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote.. > On Sat, Jan 08, 2005 at 10:41:23PM +1100, Rob B wrote.. > > At 02:12 AM 31/12/2004, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > >Hi > > > > > >We need more testing done on the various Alpha models for > > >the upcoming 4.11 release. > > > > > >Please check out http://people.freebsd.org/~wilko/testhw.html > > >to see what Alpha models have been tested sofar. > > > > > >If you do not have spare disk capacity to do an install onto, > > >by all means at least test a boot into the installer. This > > >ensures we do not end up with uncaught boot / loader problems. > > > > > >The installer as such as works OK in testing sofar. > > > > Are there floppy images of 4.11RC2 available? I can't seem to find them > > thus far. If I can get the floppies, I can boot into the installer on my > > PC64 and Miata. > > I sofar only had uploaded the ISO images. Per your suggestion I am > uploading the ftp bits (these include the floppy images etc) at the moment. > > It will take an hour or 2 to upload to ftp-master, and then some time > for the ftp-mirrors to pick it up from there (don't know how often the > mirrors do their sync to ftp-master). > > Please let me know how it goes once the stuff is available. Oh, this is > RC2 that I am uploading right now, not RC1. OK, your favorite ftp mirror site should be getting / should have the 4.11-RC2 ftp bits anytime soon. ftp.FreeBSD.org is your best bet if your local ftp mirror does not carry it. Check in /pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/4.11-RC2 Please let me know how things go Wilko -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 8 16:53:17 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D80816A4CE for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:53:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from spacecat.mcgillsociety.org (adsl-216-158-26-62.cust.oldcity.dca.net [216.158.26.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29F643D54 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 16:53:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from magill@mcgillsociety.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (abase.mcgillsociety.org [216.158.26.165]) j08GpDl347946 for ; Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:51:13 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20050108162405.1924985AF@pwstephenson.fsnet.co.uk> References: <6037.1069091427@csr.com> <2B1BAD39-19FA-11D8-BE95-000393768D2C@mcgillsociety.org> <20031119170220.GB6550@atoom.net> <20050108162405.1924985AF@pwstephenson.fsnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Image-Url: http://www.mcgillsociety.org/magill.jpg From: "William H. Magill" Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 11:53:13 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Subject: Re: zsh as ksh in 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 16:53:17 -0000 The issue WAS with zsh. The response to my query from zsh-users ... On 08 Jan, 2005, at 11:24, Peter Stephenson wrote: > "William H. Magill" wrote: >> I have a two-line prompt string >> >> PS1='[$PWD] $me >> $HOST> ' >> >> I have been using this for many years. It works fine under ksh on >> Tru64 >> Unix 5.1 and when zsh 4.2.1 itself is evoked as the login shell. >> >> However, if I change the /etc/password entry to evoke ksh instead of >> zsh, the newline is lost, resulting in a prompt consisting of "$HOST> >> " > > I think you're saying that ksh is really a link to zsh. In that case > zsh will start up with a different set of options. Probably the > critical one in this case is single_line_zle. Try "unsetopt > single_line_zle" and see if that works. (If my experiment is correct > this is exactly the problem.) > > The option isn't there for the prompt, in fact, it's there because ksh > doesn't handle multiple line editing buffers. It so happens that in > zsh > this is associated with a multi-line prompt. However, it's not at all > clear we really need to enforce this restriction of ksh when emulating > it anyway. It's hard to think of a case where it's an advantage. > > -- > Peter Stephenson > Work: pws@csr.com > Web: http://www.pwstephenson.fsnet.co.uk > T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 [Rev A motherboard - 300 MHz 768 Meg] OS X 10.2.8 # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) [800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg] OS X 10.3.7 # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg] Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-3 (EV6) - 256 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 # XP1000 [Alpha 21264-A (EV 6.7) - 384 meg] FreeBSD 5.3 magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com whmagill@gmail.com