From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 23 15:24:25 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CABD16A4CF for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:24:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.centralpets.com (www.centralpets.com [216.15.161.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66A4E43D5A for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:24:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cattonf@centralpets.com) Received: (qmail 23020 invoked from network); 23 Jan 2005 15:24:26 -0000 Received: from bark.centralpets.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by centralpets.com ([127.0.0.1]) with ESMTP via TCP; 23 Jan 2005 15:24:26 -0000 Received: from 203.151.40.252 (unverified [203.151.40.252]) by bark.centralpets.com (VisualMail 4.0) with WEBMAIL id 23018; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:24:26 +0000 From: "Frank Catton" To: current@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft VisualMail, Build 4.0.111601 X-Originating-IP: [203.151.40.252] Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:24:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PAM pacthes we discuss X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:24:25 -0000 I think Andrey is trying to be reasonable here, whether his changes are correct or not. You clearly are not. You need to learn that this is not DESBSD and you don't get to be an asshole anytime you like, no matter what the provocation. This is FreeBSD and this is -current. We have time to work this out if people are willing to behave reasonably. If you are not, the door is over there and you're free to use it at any time. Your contributions are appreciated, but not so appreciated that a continuing lack of interpersonal skills on your part will be tolerated. - Frank > "Andrey A. Chernov" writes: > > Could we arrange this without backing out? > > No. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org --------------------------------------------- This e-mail was sent using a CentralPets WebMail account Get yours at: http://mail.centralpets.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 23 17:36:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2313616A4CE for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:36:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web80804.mail.yahoo.com (web80804.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.170.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB27443D1F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:36:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cmc3list-bsd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20050123173601.72188.qmail@web80804.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.65.4.124] by web80804.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:01 PST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 09:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: freebsd-users list - semi regular post X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmc3list-bsd@yahoo.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:36:02 -0000 FreeBSD Users is a small (too small, so far :-)) informal mailing list for people who use FreeBSD. The list is not meant to compete with the formal FreeBSD lists, but to be a place for people who like to use FreeBSD to hang out, ask questions, talk about what interests them with FreeBSD. Think of it as the users group your town doesn't have :-). To join: http://www.whee.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-users I'll try to post here at least monthly. Email me if you have questions or comments. ===== Christopher Mark Conn http://storm.cadcam.iupui.edu/~cmcgoat Austin, Texas, USA From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 23 17:45:01 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849F816A4CE for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.si.fr.atosorigin.com (mail.si.fr.atosorigin.com [195.68.44.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B016143D2F for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com) Received: from mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com (mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com [55.1.250.165])j0NHf8r6018138; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:41:18 +0100 Received: from mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) j0NHf9md023848; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:41:09 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost)j0NHf9wd023847; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:41:09 +0100 From: michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com Received: from 81.56.43.96 ([81.56.43.96]) by mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:41:09 +0100 Message-ID: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:41:09 +0100 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 81.56.43.96 cc: michel-bsd@laposte.net Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:45:01 -0000 Hi folks, I'm desperately looking for an iso image of FreeBSD 2.x installation cdrom, could some kind soul point me to such resource ? I need the to run a legacy binary executable in a test environement. I also need to produce binaries that would run under FreeBSD 2.x (a system that i can't upgrade) TIA Best regards Michel PS: i'm not subscriped to freebsd-chat, please cc answers to michel-bsd@laposte.net ******************************************** Ce message électronique est confidentiel. Il peut contenir des informations protégées par le secret professionnel, le secret de fabrication ou autres règles légales. Si vous recevez ce message par erreur, il vous est interdit de le reproduire ou de le distribuer en tout ou partie, ou de le divulguer de quelque manière que ce soit à quelque personne que ce soit. Nous vous prions de bien vouloir en informer Atos Origin, par téléphone ou par retour d'e-mail puis de détruire le message et toutes copies de votre système informatique. Le contenu de ce message ne reflète pas nécessairement ni les opinions d'Atos Origin ni celles des membres de son groupe. Bien que l'émetteur de ce message ait fait tout son possible pour maintenir son système informatique sans virus, il ne peut garantir que cette transmission ne comporte aucun virus et il ne pourra être tenu pour responsable de quelque dommage que ce soit résultant de la transmission d'un virus. ******************************************** This electronic transmission is confidential. It may contain information that is covered by legal professional privilege, work product immunity or other legal rules. If you have received this transmission in error, you must not copy or distribute this message or any part of it or otherwise disclose its contents to anyone. Please notify Atos Origin by phone or return E-mail, and then delete this transmission and any copies of it from your computer system. The views expressed in this electronic transmission do not necessarily reflect those of Atos Origin or any member of its group. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a computer virus free network, the sender does not warrant that this transmission is virus free and will not be liable for any damages resulting from any virus transmitted. ******************************************** From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 23 17:58:10 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6844516A4CE for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:58:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (73.Red-213-97-200.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE5543D39 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:58:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org) Received: from scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org (scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org [192.168.100.1]) by mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09ECD355BE; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:58:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:57:42 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez To: michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com Message-Id: <20050123185742.457dd33d.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> References: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.0-gtk2-20041224 (GTK+ 2.4.14; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__23_Jan_2005_18_57_42_+0100_PK5paCC1/qa6AV8W" cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: michel-bsd@laposte.net Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 17:58:10 -0000 --Signature=_Sun__23_Jan_2005_18_57_42_+0100_PK5paCC1/qa6AV8W Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 18:41:09 +0100 michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com wrote: > I'm desperately looking for an iso image of FreeBSD 2.x installation > cdrom, could some kind soul point me to such resource ? I have a boxed 2.2.8 set. Drop me a message if you're interested and I'll put the image on my server, although my upload is quite limited (128kbits upstream). Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez http://www.energyhq.es.eu.org PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1 --Signature=_Sun__23_Jan_2005_18_57_42_+0100_PK5paCC1/qa6AV8W Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB8+WZnLctrNyFFPERAv6AAKDJq0kZMjjsL1PeeM9u/Gx1wZ0MowCdHu8k la97gIOsdBLv1QTM464YM/c= =ABp9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sun__23_Jan_2005_18_57_42_+0100_PK5paCC1/qa6AV8W-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 23 19:30:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 205C216A4CE; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:30:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E955843D45; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:30:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A243D40; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:30:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 14:30:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F3B514.2130.1DC5C1FB@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Some HTML work needed please X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:30:45 -0000 Hi folks, Follow-ups on -advocacy please. I need some help with designing some HTML forms for BSDCan 2005. Knowledge of HTML is essential. If you also know PHP and PostgreSQL, great. There are about 6 forms that need doing, none of which are very complex. If you know, or want to learn, PHP/PostgreSQL, we need code to process these forms. Again, quite simple. Cheers -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 23 19:57:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BC716A4CE for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:57:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0AD43D46 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:57:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcapote@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 63so271046wri for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:57:32 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=LwrNJT+xJUHlX4kdXJ6PZT5ipflV/vRkCAmm2utXmT6hOnUpHKp76VoystFa4oBTvuNTro8ofsG9G28nO930TC6F6YWVkflvseTY0iukSrfngeAt+8tdQWR9dBqEz9SlG7Clu4Wwp/9a9jJBk5/WKPFfsy3HDgsr09yR7LjDjrs= Received: by 10.54.20.36 with SMTP id 36mr138795wrt; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:57:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.0.110? ([68.223.153.139]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 67sm3061wra.2005.01.23.11.57.29; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:57:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41F35978.3080808@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 02:59:52 -0500 From: Julio Capote User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050120) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <41F3B514.2130.1DC5C1FB@localhost> In-Reply-To: <41F3B514.2130.1DC5C1FB@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some HTML work needed please X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:57:34 -0000 Hey Dan, First of all, let me tell you how excited I am about BSDcan2005; my friends and I are organizing this huge roadtrip just for it. Long live FreeBSD! Anyway, I'd be glad to work on some forms, where can I get details? - Julio Dan Langille wrote: >Hi folks, > >Follow-ups on -advocacy please. > >I need some help with designing some HTML forms for BSDCan 2005. >Knowledge of HTML is essential. If you also know PHP and PostgreSQL, >great. > >There are about 6 forms that need doing, none of which are very >complex. > >If you know, or want to learn, PHP/PostgreSQL, we need code to >process these forms. Again, quite simple. > >Cheers > > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 23 20:15:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2595716A4CE; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:15:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84CD43D46; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:15:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548E83D40; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:15:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Julio Capote Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:15:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F3BFA0.25182.1DEEF846@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <41F35978.3080808@gmail.com> References: <41F3B514.2130.1DC5C1FB@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some HTML work needed please X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:15:46 -0000 On 23 Jan 2005 at 2:59, Julio Capote wrote: > First of all, let me tell you how excited I am about BSDcan2005; my > friends and I are organizing this huge roadtrip just for it. Long live > FreeBSD! Good. FWIW, the list of papers should be released within 10 days. > Anyway, I'd be glad to work on some forms, where can I get > details? The work we did last year, and is now in use at http://www.bsdcan.org/ needs to be expanded. The registration code is at http://sourceforge.net/projects/openregister/ What we need is data entry forms for people, speakers, locations, and papers. I'm quite sure none of that exists. A grep for " Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBA516A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:09:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.36.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64F7243D1F for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:09:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Mike.Jeays@rogers.com) Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.2.107?) (mjeays2551@24.114.152.139 with plain) by smtp103.rog.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 00:09:33 -0000 From: Mike Jeays To: michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com In-Reply-To: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> References: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: <1106525372.2508.266.camel@chaucer> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:09:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: michel-bsd@laposte.net Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:09:35 -0000 On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 12:41, michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm desperately looking for an iso image of FreeBSD 2.x installation > cdrom, could some kind soul point me to such resource ? > > I need the to run a legacy binary executable in a test environement. > I also need to produce binaries that would run under FreeBSD 2.x (a > system that i can't upgrade) > > TIA > Best regards > Michel > > PS: i'm not subscriped to freebsd-chat, please cc answers to > michel-bsd@laposte.net > ******************************************** > Ce message électronique est confidentiel. Il peut contenir des > informations protégées par le secret professionnel, le secret de > fabrication ou autres règles légales. Si vous recevez ce message par > erreur, il vous est interdit de le reproduire ou de le distribuer en > tout ou partie, ou de le divulguer de quelque manière que ce soit à > quelque personne que ce soit. Nous vous prions de bien vouloir en > informer Atos Origin, par téléphone ou par retour d'e-mail puis de > détruire le message et toutes copies de votre système informatique. > Le contenu de ce message ne reflète pas nécessairement ni les opinions > d'Atos Origin ni celles des membres de son groupe. Bien que l'émetteur > de ce message ait fait tout son possible pour maintenir son système > informatique sans virus, il ne peut garantir que cette transmission ne > comporte aucun virus et il ne pourra être tenu pour responsable de > quelque dommage que ce soit résultant de la transmission d'un virus. > ******************************************** > This electronic transmission is confidential. It may contain information > that is covered by legal professional privilege, work product immunity > or other legal rules. If you have received this transmission in error, > you must not copy or distribute this message or any part of it or > otherwise disclose its contents to anyone. Please notify Atos Origin by > phone or return E-mail, and then delete this transmission and any copies > of it from your computer system. The views expressed in this electronic > transmission do not necessarily reflect those of Atos Origin or any > member of its group. Although the sender endeavours to maintain a > computer virus free network, the sender does not warrant that this > transmission is virus free and will not be liable for any damages > resulting from any virus transmitted. > ******************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have 2.2.1, and could snail-mail you a copy if you don't get a response from someone else. I don't have anywhere to post a copy of a file as big as an ISO image. Email me the address privately if you want to go ahead. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 24 00:22:38 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81E316A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:22:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zaphod.nitro.dk (port324.ds1-khk.adsl.cybercity.dk [212.242.113.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F5643D1D for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:22:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@zaphod.nitro.dk) Received: by zaphod.nitro.dk (Postfix, from userid 3000) id 3A3EB11E15; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:22:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 01:22:36 +0100 From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com Message-ID: <20050124002236.GB839@zaphod.nitro.dk> References: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="S1BNGpv0yoYahz37" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: michel-bsd@laposte.net Subject: Re: your mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:22:38 -0000 --S1BNGpv0yoYahz37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005.01.23 18:41:09 +0100, michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com wrote: > Hi folks, >=20 > I'm desperately looking for an iso image of FreeBSD 2.x installation > cdrom, could some kind soul point me to such resource ? You should be able to get it from http://mirrorlist.freebsd.org/ or ftp://ftp-archive.freebsd.org , though ftp-archive does not seem to respond right now (I will poke the admin). > I need the to run a legacy binary executable in a test environement. > I also need to produce binaries that would run under FreeBSD 2.x (a > system that i can't upgrade) The misc/compat22 port might also be useful, but I'm not sure if that actually works. --=20 Simon L. Nielsen --S1BNGpv0yoYahz37 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB9D/Mh9pcDSc1mlERAoASAJ9v/d+tKKOzdz5V6TVjy49jPx1pAACeKDRe PzZV5yiLSM+pMbVtKCd5T2s= =kwnG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --S1BNGpv0yoYahz37-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 24 00:38:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8ED316A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:38:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.golden.net (smtp.golden.net [199.166.210.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C94243D49 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:38:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gldisater@gto.net) Received: from 185-83.speede.golden.net ([216.75.185.83]) by smtp.golden.net with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1CssFI-00096U-AF; Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: <41F4447C.7040905@gto.net> Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:42:36 -0500 From: Jeremy Faulkner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jeays References: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> <1106525372.2508.266.camel@chaucer> In-Reply-To: <1106525372.2508.266.camel@chaucer> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: michel-bsd@laposte.net Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gldisater@gto.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:38:22 -0000 Mike Jeays wrote: > On Sun, 2005-01-23 at 12:41, michel.banguerski@atosorigin.com wrote: > >>Hi folks, >> >>I'm desperately looking for an iso image of FreeBSD 2.x installation >>cdrom, could some kind soul point me to such resource ? >> >>I need the to run a legacy binary executable in a test environement. >>I also need to produce binaries that would run under FreeBSD 2.x (a >>system that i can't upgrade) >> >>TIA >>Best regards >>Michel >> >>PS: i'm not subscriped to freebsd-chat, please cc answers to >>michel-bsd@laposte.net > > I have 2.2.1, and could snail-mail you a copy if you don't get a > response from someone else. I don't have anywhere to post a copy of a > file as big as an ISO image. Email me the address privately if you want > to go ahead. > You could always use BitTorrent, trackers are a dime a dozen. -- Jeremy Faulkner From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 24 06:28:14 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600D216A4CE for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:28:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01F1943D2D for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:28:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2005 06:28:13 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: "freebsd-chat" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:28:14 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501232228.15025.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Sun storage array question (not technical help) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 06:28:14 -0000 I have recently come across some hardware which was given to an associate of mine some time ago, from a business where he worked that was closing down. Quite a bit of the hardware is test equipment and cryptography oriented (I'm not familiar with much of the latter). But it appears this office ran Sun hardware and software, so there are a number of older Sun workstations and servers, along with hubs and so forth. I'm guessing the age of most of this equipment is late '90s or earlier. Along with these are a few very large Sun storage arrays, probably 3'x3'x4' in size (I'm guessing they're SCSI, but not sure). I'm not sure if the arrays are populated, but from what this person says at least one of them is, but I'm not overly familiar with these. My question is, do people still use or need such hardware anymore, particularly the arrays, considering their age? I know Sun equipment will re-sell for some time, but I'm not at all sure what the age of usefulness of large arrays is. I've already snagged a few Intel and Sparc workstations to use for my home network, mostly to see if FreeBSD will play nice with them, but if it will I'll use them. Many more are available, as well as quite a few Sun monitors, many of them over 20". I'm not trying to hawk stuff here, as my interest is mostly in what can be done with such equipment, but if anyone's interested let me know, as it's going cheap. Also, does anyone know of people who need/use cryptographic hardware anymore? - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 25 19:40:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A523C16A4CE for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:40:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C59643D54 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:40:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1663D40 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 14:40:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F65A6A.23011.281B9A2A@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: authenticating users between websites X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:40:43 -0000 I'm getting this request often and I'm not sure how to solve it. A client will have two websites and wants users to be able to browse freely between the websites after having logged into the primary website. For example, I browse to a.example.org, log in, and continue browsing. Then I browse over to b.example.org.... How can I be automagically be authenticated on that other website? cheers -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 25 19:45:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E9216A4D0 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:45:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from seven.Alameda.net (seven.alameda.net [64.81.53.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658DF43D55 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:45:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ulf@Alameda.net) Received: by seven.Alameda.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 673F43A203; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:43:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:43:53 -0800 From: Ulf Zimmermann To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20050125194352.GK99125@seven.alameda.net> References: <41F65A6A.23011.281B9A2A@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41F65A6A.23011.281B9A2A@localhost> Organization: Alameda Networks, Inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: authenticating users between websites X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ulf@Alameda.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:45:18 -0000 On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 02:40:42PM -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > I'm getting this request often and I'm not sure how to solve it. A > client will have two websites and wants users to be able to browse > freely between the websites after having logged into the primary > website. > > For example, I browse to a.example.org, log in, and continue > browsing. Then I browse over to b.example.org.... How can I be > automagically be authenticated on that other website? > > cheers > -- > Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ > BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ If both sites are part of the same, you can set a cookie based on the domain. That is how sites usual do it. If you are concerned about someone modifying the cookie local on the client side, keep also some information about the cookie in a database which can be accessed by both sites. -- Regards, Ulf. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Ulf Zimmermann, 1525 Pacific Ave., Alameda, CA-94501, #: 510-865-0204 You can find my resume at: http://seven.Alameda.net/~ulf/resume.html From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 26 10:40:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2849C16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D683843D46 for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CtkbC-00042U-Jx for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:34 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:34 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <1106502069.41f3e1b51b7c6@mirwarp.si.fr.atosorigin.com> <1106525372.2508.266.camel@chaucer> In-Reply-To: <1106525372.2508.266.camel@chaucer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501261040.34298.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 10:40:37 -0000 On Monday 24 January 2005 00:09, Mike Jeays wrote: > I don't have anywhere to post a copy of a file as big as an ISO image. I could lend you some space if you want? It will only be a 128KBps up, 512KBps down connection though. -- /Xian "The devil must be an optimist if he thinks that he can make the human race worse" Unknown Author From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 26 22:42:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA30A16A4CE for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:42:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2B443D1D for ; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:42:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:42:50 -0600 Message-ID: <41F81CE6.7020507@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:42:46 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Tinnin References: <200501232228.15025.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200501232228.15025.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2005 22:42:50.0837 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DADC850:01C503F8] cc: freebsd-chat Subject: Re: Sun storage array question (not technical help) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 22:42:51 -0000 Joshua Tinnin wrote: >I have recently come across some hardware which was given to an >associate of mine some time ago, from a business where he worked that >was closing down. Quite a bit of the hardware is test equipment and >cryptography oriented (I'm not familiar with much of the latter). But >it appears this office ran Sun hardware and software, so there are a >number of older Sun workstations and servers, along with hubs and so >forth. I'm guessing the age of most of this equipment is late '90s or >earlier. Along with these are a few very large Sun storage arrays, >probably 3'x3'x4' in size (I'm guessing they're SCSI, but not sure). >I'm not sure if the arrays are populated, but from what this person >says at least one of them is, but I'm not overly familiar with these. >My question is, do people still use or need such hardware anymore, >particularly the arrays, considering their age? I know Sun equipment >will re-sell for some time, but I'm not at all sure what the age of >usefulness of large arrays is. I've already snagged a few Intel and >Sparc workstations to use for my home network, mostly to see if FreeBSD >will play nice with them, but if it will I'll use them. Many more are >available, as well as quite a few Sun monitors, many of them over 20". >I'm not trying to hawk stuff here, as my interest is mostly in what can >be done with such equipment, but if anyone's interested let me know, as >it's going cheap. Also, does anyone know of people who need/use >cryptographic hardware anymore? > >- jt > > Last time I visited Greg Lehey's site (www.lemis.com), he mentioned that he had some storage arrays in the "Mike Smith Memorial Room" (Old hardware). I can't remember if they were Sun stuff or not, but IIRC he was interested in finding power supplies for them.... You might check out his page first ;-) Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 26 23:16:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772C916A4CE; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:16:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3381543D2D; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:16:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3883D40; Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:16:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: Julio Capote Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:16:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41F7DE75.25139.2E0765AE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <41F35978.3080808@gmail.com> References: <41F3B514.2130.1DC5C1FB@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some HTML work needed please X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:16:22 -0000 On 23 Jan 2005 at 2:59, Julio Capote wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: > > >I need some help with designing some HTML forms for BSDCan 2005. > >Knowledge of HTML is essential. If you also know PHP and PostgreSQL, > > great. > > > >There are about 6 forms that need doing, none of which are very > >complex. > > > >If you know, or want to learn, PHP/PostgreSQL, we need code to > >process these forms. Again, quite simple. > First of all, let me tell you how excited I am about BSDcan2005; my > friends and I are organizing this huge roadtrip just for it. Long live > FreeBSD! Anyway, I'd be glad to work on some forms, where can I get > details? I need two forms, initially: person: first_name, last_name, email_address, password, organisation, job_title, phone_number, fax_number, mailing_address, city, province_state, postal_code, country talk: name, description, notes, status All of these are text fields (but status is a drop down, either Active (A) or Cancelled (C)). Those are the main ones I need first. I would prefer things like this: field label: [where you enter the data] And the field label right aligned, the field left aligned. Basically, a table with two columns, the first containing the field label (right aligned, nowrap), the second containing the entry spot. Everything else can be based off those. Thanks. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 28 16:03:18 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12BE16A4CE for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:03:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net (ptb-relay03.plus.net [212.159.14.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9DA43D41 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:03:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CuYsb-000EXk-Ca for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:21:53 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:03:18 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501281603.18198.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Is windows a virus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 16:03:19 -0000 Is Windows a Virus? No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do: 1.They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that. 2.Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing down the system as they do so - okay, Windows does that. 3.Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard disk - okay, Windows does that too. 4.Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, along with valuable programs and systems. - Sigh.. Windows does that, too. 5.Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect their system is too slow (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. - Yup, Windows does that, too. Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there are fundamental differences: Viruses are well supported by their authors, are running on most systems, their program code is fast, compact and efficient and they tend to become more sophisticated as they mature. So Windows is not a virus. It's a bug. On top of that Windows cost money while viruses are free. -- /Xian "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing." Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 28 17:06:32 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2672C16A4CE for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:06:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50802.mail.yahoo.com (web50802.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C29543D1D for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:06:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dereckhaskins@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 46639 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 17:06:30 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=Q8zVilPg31dMQVnF90Jii+B64M/lTH/ejX9yh71vDzLMdMoPD2Uol+qlXEp1/qwqkj925Dh4xc46CNoPAHB+AMxFnHsu34h7c7Lc5zylROvVYSRaGu/MreGQrXBiqc24wudus8h8bMeMrJodoNEsLZMmpBWr/rV98w3y1cNFmUA= ; Message-ID: <20050128170630.46637.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.65.216.138] by web50802.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:06:30 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:06:30 -0800 (PST) From: dereck To: Xian , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200501281603.18198.ian@codepad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is windows a virus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:06:32 -0000 I know that this is meant to be humorous, and I like this type of humor. So - this made me smile and I thank you. But you should be aware that historically many computer professionals considered *NIX to be a virus. In terms of OS history *NIX has big problems, and its history is very checkered. I use it, because it is the most complete and widely available OS. But I find it hardly "good," either theoretically or practically. I have a love/hate relationship with it, because the constant re-implementation of *NIX takes a lot of human years away from what should be a _re-evaluation_ of the whole *NIX project. (Yes, beginning with the use of C and its variants as the base language.) The spread of *NIX and its many copycats is definitely NOT a win-win for the computing industry as a whole. There is even a downloadable book on the early years of *NIX, which tells the whole sordid story (in user emails) of why *NIX has historically sucked. I love BSD and I hate it. It is the "best" of what is available. Would that we could do better! Enjoy the link below! Note that almost none of the fundamental problems are fixable - they are products of the original design. And Dennis Ritchie's introduction is worth the price of the original! The man can turn a phrase. http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf Dereck BTW: I still lean toward Windows as virus :-). It's definition of how user interface _should_ look is a scab on the industry. BAH! --- Xian wrote: > Is Windows a Virus? > > No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do: > > 1.They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that. > > 2.Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing > down the system as they > do so - okay, Windows does that. > > 3.Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard > disk - okay, Windows does > that too. > > 4.Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, > along with valuable > programs and systems. - Sigh.. Windows does that, > too. > > 5.Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect > their system is too slow > (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. - Yup, > Windows does that, too. > > Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there are > fundamental differences: > Viruses are well supported by their authors, are > running on most systems, > their program code is fast, compact and efficient > and they tend to become > more sophisticated as they mature. > > So Windows is not a virus. > > It's a bug. > > On top of that Windows cost money while viruses are > free. > > -- > /Xian > > "The important thing is not to stop questioning. > Curiosity has its own reason > for existing." > Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 28 18:21:03 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6ED16A4CE for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:21:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net (ptb-relay02.plus.net [212.159.14.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE4B43D31 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:21:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ian@codepad.net) Received: from [80.229.159.44] (helo=[192.168.0.4]) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Cuajs-0009re-Pe for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:21:00 +0000 From: Xian To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:21:03 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <20050128170630.46637.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050128170630.46637.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501281821.03796.ian@codepad.net> Subject: Re: Is windows a virus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:21:03 -0000 I hope I haven't annoyed anyone, sorry if I have. I'll be sensitive in future. Thanks. On Friday 28 January 2005 17:06, dereck wrote: > I know that this is meant to be humorous, and I like > this type of humor. So - this made me smile and I > thank you. > > But you should be aware that historically many > computer professionals considered *NIX to be a virus. > In terms of OS history *NIX has big problems, and its > history is very checkered. I use it, because it is > the most complete and widely available OS. But I find > it hardly "good," either theoretically or practically. > I have a love/hate relationship with it, because the > constant re-implementation of *NIX takes a lot of > human years away from what should be a _re-evaluation_ > of the whole *NIX project. (Yes, beginning with the > use of C and its variants as the base language.) > > The spread of *NIX and its many copycats is definitely > NOT a win-win for the computing industry as a whole. > There is even a downloadable book on the early years > of *NIX, which tells the whole sordid story (in user > emails) of why *NIX has historically sucked. I love > BSD and I hate it. It is the "best" of what is > available. Would that we could do better! > > Enjoy the link below! Note that almost none of the > fundamental problems are fixable - they are products > of the original design. And Dennis Ritchie's > introduction is worth the price of the original! The > man can turn a phrase. > > http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf > > Dereck > > BTW: I still lean toward Windows as virus :-). It's > definition of how user interface _should_ look is a > scab on the industry. BAH! > > --- Xian wrote: > > Is Windows a Virus? > > > > No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses do: > > > > 1.They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does that. > > > > 2.Viruses use up valuable system resources, slowing > > down the system as they > > do so - okay, Windows does that. > > > > 3.Viruses will, from time to time, trash your hard > > disk - okay, Windows does > > that too. > > > > 4.Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the user, > > along with valuable > > programs and systems. - Sigh.. Windows does that, > > too. > > > > 5.Viruses will occasionally make the user suspect > > their system is too slow > > (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. - Yup, > > Windows does that, too. > > > > Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there are > > fundamental differences: > > Viruses are well supported by their authors, are > > running on most systems, > > their program code is fast, compact and efficient > > and they tend to become > > more sophisticated as they mature. > > > > So Windows is not a virus. > > > > It's a bug. > > > > On top of that Windows cost money while viruses are > > free. > > > > -- > > /Xian > > > > "The important thing is not to stop questioning. > > Curiosity has its own reason > > for existing." > > Albert Einstein > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- /Xian "The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead." Albert Einstein From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 28 18:45:22 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6463716A4D1 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:45:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web50808.mail.yahoo.com (web50808.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.38.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AAB3A43D46 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:45:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dereckhaskins@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 65562 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jan 2005 18:45:21 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=BS/t9MVRPWkESHEBsPHsTIXVsb00Mm0p9/ZzWfuIjPTWOnRC3IUZF0ypQd+EBdMNpLcWkvnfGXPiHCHHVcTHUdKcW362nbme1BaqkI0Osg6zyohZwk5TsnrQ2SJ0YrbjumjKWZqoP1h+8KGAc0Nw48fdm7RC/hNmYGqUMidExlY= ; Message-ID: <20050128184521.65560.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.65.216.138] by web50808.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:45:21 PST Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:45:21 -0800 (PST) From: dereck To: Xian , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200501281821.03796.ian@codepad.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Is windows a virus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 18:45:22 -0000 No, no! You haven't offended. I liked it much! No need to be careful. It is the "BSD-chat" after all. :-) Dereck --- Xian wrote: > I hope I haven't annoyed anyone, sorry if I have. > I'll be sensitive in > future. > Thanks. > > On Friday 28 January 2005 17:06, dereck wrote: > > I know that this is meant to be humorous, and I > like > > this type of humor. So - this made me smile and I > > thank you. > > > > But you should be aware that historically many > > computer professionals considered *NIX to be a > virus. > > In terms of OS history *NIX has big problems, and > its > > history is very checkered. I use it, because it > is > > the most complete and widely available OS. But I > find > > it hardly "good," either theoretically or > practically. > > I have a love/hate relationship with it, because > the > > constant re-implementation of *NIX takes a lot of > > human years away from what should be a > _re-evaluation_ > > of the whole *NIX project. (Yes, beginning with > the > > use of C and its variants as the base language.) > > > > The spread of *NIX and its many copycats is > definitely > > NOT a win-win for the computing industry as a > whole. > > There is even a downloadable book on the early > years > > of *NIX, which tells the whole sordid story (in > user > > emails) of why *NIX has historically sucked. I > love > > BSD and I hate it. It is the "best" of what is > > available. Would that we could do better! > > > > Enjoy the link below! Note that almost none of > the > > fundamental problems are fixable - they are > products > > of the original design. And Dennis Ritchie's > > introduction is worth the price of the original! > The > > man can turn a phrase. > > > > http://web.mit.edu/~simsong/www/ugh.pdf > > > > Dereck > > > > BTW: I still lean toward Windows as virus :-). > It's > > definition of how user interface _should_ look is > a > > scab on the industry. BAH! > > > > --- Xian wrote: > > > Is Windows a Virus? > > > > > > No, Windows is not a virus. Here's what viruses > do: > > > > > > 1.They replicate quickly - okay, Windows does > that. > > > > > > 2.Viruses use up valuable system resources, > slowing > > > down the system as they > > > do so - okay, Windows does that. > > > > > > 3.Viruses will, from time to time, trash your > hard > > > disk - okay, Windows does > > > that too. > > > > > > 4.Viruses are usually carried, unknown to the > user, > > > along with valuable > > > programs and systems. - Sigh.. Windows does > that, > > > too. > > > > > > 5.Viruses will occasionally make the user > suspect > > > their system is too slow > > > (see 2) and the user will buy new hardware. - > Yup, > > > Windows does that, too. > > > > > > Until now it seems Windows is a virus but there > are > > > fundamental differences: > > > Viruses are well supported by their authors, are > > > running on most systems, > > > their program code is fast, compact and > efficient > > > and they tend to become > > > more sophisticated as they mature. > > > > > > So Windows is not a virus. > > > > > > It's a bug. > > > > > > On top of that Windows cost money while viruses > are > > > free. > > > > > > -- > > > /Xian > > > > > > "The important thing is not to stop questioning. > > > Curiosity has its own reason > > > for existing." > > > Albert Einstein > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- > /Xian > > "The fear of death is the most unjustified of all > fears, for there's no risk > of accident for someone who's dead." > Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 28 20:11:40 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64FD916A4CE for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:11:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postinofz1.prima.com.ar (postinofz1.prima.com.ar [200.42.0.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D438943D60 for ; Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:11:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sccl@ubbi.com) Received: (qmail 70897 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2005 20:11:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CARMEN) (200.127.117.73) by postinofz1.prima.com.ar with SMTP; 28 Jan 2005 20:11:36 -0000 From: "Carmen Chase" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 17:11:32 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcUFdY+SuhGRvaHxRNmlD63sehAi3g== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050128201138.D438943D60@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: spanish language configurations & preferences X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:11:40 -0000 Greetings and salutations from Argentina! =20 We=92re new to FreeBSD and would like to =93HISPANIFY=94 our BSD system = as much as possible. Though my English is fairly fluent, my husband=92s is = marginal. =20 For starters, replace the default American english manual (the one accessible from shells) with one that describes commands in a standard Spanish. =20 2ndly, change system language preference to Spanish - =BFisn=92t there a = Env table or something in there that can be configured? Doesn=92t KDE = auto-select language based on some system preference table or something? =20 3rdly, in as much as possible, change system prompts, messages etc=85 to standard Spanish - =BFhas anyone bothered yet? If so, leads or = instructions would be great. =20 We understand that the kernel, shells, etc remain in standard American computerese, he he he=85 - no problem there. =20 On a dare we put BSD on a AMD K-6 PC which we put together from parts. = It=92s been a successful experiment! =20 Any thoughts, suggestions, leads, hints, instructions would be greatly appreciated. =20 Attently, =20 Carmen Chase =20 P.D. I used to work on a UNIX terminal back in US many years ago. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 29 03:25:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF9816A4CE for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:25:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98CF943D55 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:25:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp813.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 03:25:22 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:25:21 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050128170630.46637.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050128170630.46637.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501281925.22056.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: Is windows a virus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:25:23 -0000 On Friday 28 January 2005 09:06 am, dereck wrote: > I know that this is meant to be humorous, and I like > this type of humor. So - this made me smile and I > thank you. > > But you should be aware that historically many > computer professionals considered *NIX to be a virus. > In terms of OS history *NIX has big problems, and its > history is very checkered. I use it, because it is > the most complete and widely available OS. But I find > it hardly "good," either theoretically or practically. > I have a love/hate relationship with it, because the > constant re-implementation of *NIX takes a lot of > human years away from what should be a _re-evaluation_ > of the whole *NIX project. (Yes, beginning with the > use of C and its variants as the base language.) > > The spread of *NIX and its many copycats is definitely > NOT a win-win for the computing industry as a whole. > There is even a downloadable book on the early years > of *NIX, which tells the whole sordid story (in user > emails) of why *NIX has historically sucked. I love > BSD and I hate it. It is the "best" of what is > available. Would that we could do better! Just some comments, please don't consider this flaming, as I think the world has enough religious wars ... I can understand and appreciate such sentiments, but personally I love *nix. Any complex software is going to be imperfect, and hardly any software of any size has bugs (this is also a good reason to examine one's favorite software carefully). The difference between graphical UIs and the other way around is that graphics tend to hide what is happening with the system. This is fine for most home users, and in fact this is probably the best solution for many of them, but it is not desirable (IMO) for system administration - some disagree. Many of the gripes concern lack of "idiot-proofing." Many *nixes have implemented this for new users, but others, like FreeBSD, assume you know what you're doing and don't need that. If you would rather not delete a file permanently (for practical purposes), use mv instead. Is this a problem? Well, there's always Mac, and I highly recommend their computers for people who don't want to open the hood and mess around. Additionally, we can always do better, and we shouldn't stop looking for better solutions in deference to the devil we know, but personal tastes in what makes a system better does not mean the same thing for all people. (I do NOT want a GUI for system administration, emphatically, NO!) Some people find some *nix solutions to be exactly what they need, and some people find Windows or other solutions to be exactly what they need, but there are almost always problems in the implementation. People who understand one solution should not implement another which they don't. I understand companies forcing stupid changes on people, but lack of training isn't an issue with UNIX itself. And if anyone is expecting system administration or engineering to suddenly be completely simple, I think they are probably not thinking very clearly about how computers work in the first place. Are you saying spam could be eliminated if only we changed the protocol? Fine, go out and do that. And then I can agree that the protocol might need rethinking, but inertia is always an issue. This has more to do with how the corporate world works more than anything. That being said, one of the main problems with Xorg/XFree86 is inertia. This is a case where the least worst solution is not very good at all, IMO. The commercial software world has done far better with the issue of how to implement graphics, although there are often sacrifices in other areas. > Enjoy the link below! Note that almost none of the > fundamental problems are fixable - they are products > of the original design. I think it's funny that people still consider the use of text to be a problem. The first chapter is called "User Friendly?" Anyway, I've read this before, but I have fundamental issues with the author's premise, that user-friendly == good. This is only true in some circumstances, and I do not consider most software which is called "user-friendly" to be such; personally, I find FreeBSD to be far easier and more user-friendly than any other OS that's useful to me, but it has a lot to do with how I think and what sort of person I am; I do not think it's the right OS for my step-father, who has a hard enough time with anything technical. And I'm not sure how relevant a lot of this is anymore. Many of the problems seem to be concerning the nature of UNIX as a commercial distribution. Do these arguments apply to POSIX? The history is informative, but the question that needs to be asked is: what is UNIX? However, I disagree with people who see *nix as being the solution to all problems, or that any solution which uses something else is wrong, or that Windows has no purpose in any situation (although, personally, I use it only for games anymore, but I work with it for clients). That is shortsighted. The best method is to pick the right tool for the job. Finally, the very idea of a UNIX-haters group without an alternate, viable solution is just pissing in the wind. I'm not impressed by sound and fury, signifying nothing. - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 29 03:36:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409C716A4CE for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:36:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CF0CB43D1F for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:36:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.27.163 with login) by smtp812.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2005 03:36:22 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:36:22 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <20050128170630.46637.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> <200501281925.22056.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200501281925.22056.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200501281936.22719.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: Is windows a virus X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 03:36:23 -0000 On Friday 28 January 2005 07:25 pm, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > Any complex software is going to be imperfect, and hardly > any software of any size has bugs s/hardly any/almost every/ - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 29 05:36:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F1916A4CE for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:36:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx.tele-kom.ru (mx.tele-kom.ru [213.80.148.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14FB143D2D for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:36:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doublef@tele-kom.ru) Received: (qmail 84069 invoked by uid 555); 29 Jan 2005 05:41:14 -0000 Received: from shark (213.80.149.140) by t-k.ru with TeleMail/2 id 1106977272-84028 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 29 Jan 08:41:12 2005 +0300 (MSK) Received: by shark (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EC5569DB53; Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:20:01 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 08:20:01 +0300 From: Sergey Zaharchenko To: cali Message-ID: <20050129052001.GB1779@shark.localdomain> Mail-Followup-To: Sergey Zaharchenko , cali , Gary Kline , Dave Horsfall , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20050128225658.GC31205@thought.org> <0aca01c5058f$437ffa50$0501a8c0@SPECULUSHX1THE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0aca01c5058f$437ffa50$0501a8c0@SPECULUSHX1THE> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Listening-To: Silence cc: Gary Kline cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: Dave Horsfall Subject: Re: image on website X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 05:36:15 -0000 --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [moved to chat@] On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 11:15:32PM -0000, cali probably wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:31:54AM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: > >>On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Jerry McAllister wrote: > >> > >>> Someone else has answered your specific question, but I can't help > >>> but wondering how an image of Beastie (BSD) swinging a large rubber > >>> mallet fits in your project on menstrual cycles, fertility and > >>> contraception. My guesses might be a bit far afield. > >> > >>Of course, you might have to be female to understand... > >> > > > >((Or married to one!)) :-) >=20 > OK, I think I get it now. The redness of beastie signifies the redness of= =20 > the menstruation and also a person getting angry, swinging around a hamme= r=20 > corresponds to mood "swings", and indicates the anger. In retrospect, it= =20 > seems like quite a reasonable choice of image. Dunno about the rubber bit= ,=20 > maybe this has something to do with contraception, in summary: >=20 > anger -> redness of beastie > menstruation -> redness of beastie > mood swings -> swinging of hammer > rubber -> something to do with contraception, or co-incidence >=20 Perhaps all those things suddenly start mattering to a woman when a beastie inside her (metaphorically) strikes her on the head with a hammer:) --=20 DoubleF All extremists should be taken out and shot. --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFB+x0Awo7hT/9lVdwRAm8NAJ97ZSybbwThNIkTq2sCX2+mSkeZmgCfRiu/ dvx3mCRwezS/dnJsQK5Dk1k= =F3tf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB--