From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 13:02:50 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E9B16A4CE for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:02:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718A143D2D for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:02:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 795E3530C; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 9220C5308 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EE6AE33C3E; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:15 +0100 (CET) To: chat@freebsd.org From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:02:15 +0100 Message-ID: <86y8di12y0.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Subject: 5250 host X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 13:02:50 -0000 Any greybeards out there know of a host I can connect to to test a 5250 emulator? I don't need an account or anything; I only need to verify that I can connect and correctly display the login screen. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 21 21:52:04 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E89116A4CE for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B7C43D39 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:52:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D96A585604; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:22:00 +1030 (CST) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:22:00 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Message-ID: <20050221215200.GV36248@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200502171918.20271.krinklyfig@pacbell.net> <1108708502.58526.1.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yZxAaITavNk3ADw/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1108708502.58526.1.camel@stox.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: Joshua Tinnin cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:52:04 -0000 --yZxAaITavNk3ADw/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Friday, 18 February 2005 at 0:35:02 -0600, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 19:18 -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote: >> Wow ... teco is finally in FreeBSD ports. Now I have the option of >> easily installing an editor that causes ulcers and premature aging even >> faster than ed does! > > Wasn't emacs originally implemented as a set of teco macros? Yes. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --yZxAaITavNk3ADw/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCGlgAIubykFB6QiMRAvMcAJ9gvihDgivHE9OJQoJgwbSfwAphVACcClcV vLqBAwZ8naoKAMwjtFFWJ+c= =eadF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yZxAaITavNk3ADw/-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 01:15:21 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B114A16A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:15:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F19843D5A for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:15:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1M1F83a012101; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id j1M1F8Pc012098; Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:15:08 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:15:08 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= In-Reply-To: <86y8di12y0.fsf@xps.des.no> Message-ID: <20050221181122.M12076@wonkity.com> References: <86y8di12y0.fsf@xps.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-728006961-1109034908=:12076" X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:15:08 -0700 (MST) cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5250 host X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 01:15:21 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-728006961-1109034908=:12076 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Mon, 21 Feb 2005, [iso-8859-1] Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Any greybeards out there know of a host I can connect to to test a > 5250 emulator? I don't need an account or anything; I only need to > verify that I can connect and correctly display the login screen. http://texas400.com say they have free access for an AS/400 tutorial,=20 although you need to call them first: http://texas400.com/as400tutorial.html If it helps, I can say that tn5250 works well in console mode, and as=20 xt5250 under X. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA --0-728006961-1109034908=:12076-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 22 09:50:27 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779B216A4CE for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:50:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.des.no (flood.des.no [217.116.83.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D192643D5E for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:50:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: by smtp.des.no (Pony Express, from userid 666) id 315E3530C; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:50:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by smtp.des.no (Pony Express) with ESMTP id 7F7EA5308; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:50:02 +0100 (CET) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F246F33C3E; Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:50:01 +0100 (CET) To: Warren Block References: <86y8di12y0.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050221181122.M12076@wonkity.com> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:50:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20050221181122.M12076@wonkity.com> (Warren Block's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:15:08 -0700 (MST)") Message-ID: <86k6p0c4ae.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on flood.des.no X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,FORGED_RCVD_HELO autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 5250 host X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 09:50:27 -0000 Warren Block writes: > http://texas400.com/as400tutorial.html I'm not in North America... DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 03:57:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3BC16A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:57:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail806.megamailservers.com (mail806.carrierinternetsolutions.com [69.49.106.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6EC43D60 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:57:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from strick@covad.net) Received: from mist.nodomain (h-67-101-151-185.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net [67.101.151.185])j1P3vGvd014369 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 22:57:18 -0500 Received: from mist.nodomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mist.nodomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P3vGbV000930 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@mist.nodomain) Received: (from dan@localhost) by mist.nodomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1P3vG8U000929 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 19:57:16 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Strick Message-Id: <200502250357.j1P3vG8U000929@mist.nodomain> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:57:20 -0000 On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 19:18 -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > > Wow ... teco is finally in FreeBSD ports. Now I have the option of > easily installing an editor that causes ulcers and premature aging even > faster than ed does! > Are we talking about that ancient DEC text editor that kept a current character position instead of a current line number, used lots of altmode characters in its command language and provided for huge incomprehensible command macros that could implement reasonably general programs with conditionals and loops? Good old ed is far easier to use than TECO. I always had great difficulty keeping track of the current character position when using TECO interactively. I once blew most of my monthly cpu allocation doing a simple file-wide string substitution with TECO. I should have just reloaded the source file from punched cards. I recall a WYSIWYG text editor on RSTS that might have been implemented as a TECO macro. I think it was called something like "VT52". TECO on FreeBSD? This is too bizarre. Dan Strick From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 04:03:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D3C316A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:03:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-03-eri0.ohiordc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-smtplb.ohiordc.rr.com [65.24.5.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5D143D5C for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:03:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (cpe-024-165-114-048.cinci.rr.com [24.165.114.48])j1P43BYF024973 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:03:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from www.bluecirclesoft.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j1P439ve079489 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:03:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by www.bluecirclesoft.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j1P439D8079488 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:03:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com) X-Authentication-Warning: www.bluecirclesoft.com: mrami set sender to marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com using -f From: Marc Ramirez Organization: Blue Circle Software Corp. To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:03:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 References: <200502250357.j1P3vG8U000929@mist.nodomain> In-Reply-To: <200502250357.j1P3vG8U000929@mist.nodomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2726348.bi26SQJSb6"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502242303.08462.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:03:15 -0000 --nextPart2726348.bi26SQJSb6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline TECO is worthless. I'm holding out for EDT. Marc. On Thursday 24 February 2005 10:57 pm, Dan Strick wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 19:18 -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > > Wow ... teco is finally in FreeBSD ports. Now I have the option of > > easily installing an editor that causes ulcers and premature aging even > > faster than ed does! > > Are we talking about that ancient DEC text editor that kept a current > character position instead of a current line number, used lots of > altmode characters in its command language and provided for huge > incomprehensible command macros that could implement reasonably general > programs with conditionals and loops? Good old ed is far easier to use > than TECO. I always had great difficulty keeping track of the current > character position when using TECO interactively. > > I once blew most of my monthly cpu allocation doing a simple file-wide > string substitution with TECO. I should have just reloaded the source > file from punched cards. > > I recall a WYSIWYG text editor on RSTS that might have been implemented > as a TECO macro. I think it was called something like "VT52". > > TECO on FreeBSD? This is too bizarre. > > Dan Strick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" =2D-=20 Marc Ramirez Blue Circle Software Corporation 513-688-1070 (main) 513-382-1270 (direct) http://www.bluecirclesoft.com http://www.mrami.com (personal) --nextPart2726348.bi26SQJSb6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCHqN8g1EgpGw750IRAvK+AKChNGWc2hCcNJ12diyzofIzIWHiyQCfVi3z R48fPofO+Ilyk7WAbFmisDc= =CJED -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2726348.bi26SQJSb6-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 04:13:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AFB216A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:13:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from plounts.uits.indiana.edu (plounts.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE62443D41 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:13:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dmschei@attglobal.net) Received: from mail-relay.iu.edu (fontz.uits.indiana.edu [129.79.1.76]) j1P4Cw1x028626 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.1.4] (scheidt-rout.canopy.nd.edu [129.74.98.169] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0)j1P4CwxX029429 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:12:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <421EA5CA.3090103@attglobal.net> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:12:58 -0500 From: David Scheidt User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050102) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org References: <200502250357.j1P3vG8U000929@mist.nodomain> <200502242303.08462.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> In-Reply-To: <200502242303.08462.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 04:13:02 -0000 Marc Ramirez wrote: > > TECO is worthless. I'm holding out for EDT. > > Marc. > Emacs has an EDT emulation mode, doesn't it. M-x tpu-edt, I think. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 06:10:52 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59ED016A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:10:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807C743D60 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:10:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:07:12 -0600 Message-ID: <421EC166.5080303@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:10:46 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Ramirez References: <200502250357.j1P3vG8U000929@mist.nodomain> <200502242303.08462.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> In-Reply-To: <200502242303.08462.marc.ramirez@bluecirclesoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2005 06:07:13.0314 (UTC) FILETIME=[3FBBA820:01C51B00] cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: teco added to ports - Fwd: FreshPorts daily new ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:10:52 -0000 > > >On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 19:18 -0800, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > > >>Wow ... teco is finally in FreeBSD ports. Now I have the option of >>easily installing an editor that causes ulcers and premature aging even >>faster than ed does! >> Marc Ramirez wrote: >TECO is worthless. I'm holding out for EDT. > >Marc. > > And not the Emacs emulation, I suppose? ROFL. But surely you and highly informed and aware of the allure of TECO. (If you've read the "Real Programmers" stuff and have work to do, just delete this one now....) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text Editing In some companies, text editing no longer consists of ten engineers standing in line to use an 029 keypunch. In fact, the building I work in doesn't contain a single keypunch. The Real Programmer in this situation has to do his work with a "text editor" program. Most systems supply several text editors to select from, and the Real Programmer must be careful to pick one that reflects his personal style. Many people believe that the best text editors in the world were written at Xerox Palo Alto Research Center for use on their Alto and Dorado computers [3]. Unfortunately, no Real Programmer would ever use a computer whose operating system is called SmallTalk, and would certainly not talk to the computer with a mouse. Some of the concepts in these Xerox editors have been incorporated into editors running on more reasonably named operating systems - EMACS and VI being two. The problem with these editors is that Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No the Real Programmer wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor - complicated, cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous. TECO, to be precise. It has been observed that a TECO command sequence more closely resembles transmission line noise than readable text [4]. One of the more entertaining games to play with TECO is to type your name in as a command line and try to guess what it does. Just about any possible typing error while talking with TECO will probably destroy your program, or even worse - introduce subtle and mysterious bugs in a once working subroutine. For this reason, Real Programmers are reluctant to actually edit a program that is close to working. They find it much easier to just patch the binary object code directly, using a wonderful program called SUPERZAP (or its equivalent on non-IBM machines). This works so well that many working programs on IBM systems bear no relation to the original FORTRAN code. In many cases, the original source code is no longer available. When it comes time to fix a program like this, no manager would even think of sending anything less than a Real Programmer to do the job - no Quiche Eating structured programmer would even know where to start. This is called "job security". (Copied from the first hit at Google.) Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 08:56:08 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC88E16A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:56:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postinofz1.prima.com.ar (postinofz1.prima.com.ar [200.42.0.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A0FF43D5A for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:56:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sccl@ubbi.com) Received: (qmail 14073 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 08:56:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CARMEN) (200.127.115.179) by postinofz1.prima.com.ar with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 08:56:05 -0000 From: "Carmen Chase" To: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:56:00 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUbF9Qx2LyIQXJFREGqsVc2RyJb4Q== Message-Id: <20050225085607.5A0FF43D5A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Non graphicial WMV player X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:56:09 -0000 Hello everyone! =20 =BFCan anyone think of a light, non-graphical audio player =96 like mp3 = blaster =96 that plays Windows Media Audio 9 codec? =20 We love MP3 Blaster, but have a large collection of WMA VBR encoded = music =96 nice alternate codec for home use. =20 Attently, =20 Carmen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 09:05:28 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBDF16A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:05:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from postinofz1.prima.com.ar (postinofz1.prima.com.ar [200.42.0.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B54143D68 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:05:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sccl@ubbi.com) Received: (qmail 17576 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2005 09:05:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CARMEN) (200.127.115.179) by postinofz1.prima.com.ar with SMTP; 25 Feb 2005 09:05:25 -0000 From: "Carmen Chase" To: Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 06:05:21 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcUbGSJJpSe66tNRR/KD3C9jpWvVNA== Message-Id: <20050225090527.0B54143D68@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Non graphicial WMA audio player - CORRECTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 09:05:28 -0000 Hello everyone! =20 =BFCan anyone think of a light, non-graphical audio player =96 like mp3 = blaster =96 that plays Windows Media Audio 9 codec? =20 We love MP3 Blaster, but have a large collection of WMA VBR encoded = music =96 nice alternate codec for home use. =20 Attently, =20 Carmen =20 PD please forgive the typo=92 on previous inquiry From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Feb 25 14:26:05 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC0A16A4CE for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:26:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C40543D31 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:26:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j1PEPkNR082079; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:55:47 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:55:40 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.92 References: <20050225090527.0B54143D68@mx1.FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20050225090527.0B54143D68@mx1.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1271736.1Cxdhy9Wei"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502260055.40908.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -4.6 () IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: Carmen Chase Subject: Re: Non graphicial WMA audio player - CORRECTION X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 14:26:05 -0000 --nextPart1271736.1Cxdhy9Wei Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:35, Carmen Chase wrote: > We love MP3 Blaster, but have a large collection of WMA VBR encoded music= =96 > nice alternate codec for home use. Try mplayer.. Better yet, try and use a non-crappy non-encumbered codec :) =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart1271736.1Cxdhy9Wei Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCHzVk5ZPcIHs/zowRAuN6AJ9g+tncsZ6lRo61+xYNtWMxay3qbgCfWjH7 bq/o3C8bUSXlPme6qGLhzB8= =R6d3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1271736.1Cxdhy9Wei-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 16:00:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBEC16A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:00:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shark.inbox.lv (shark.inbox.lv [81.94.227.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD65343D62 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:00:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kde@inbox.lv) Received: from shark.inbox.lv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shark.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0563410005B for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (w9 [10.0.1.143]) by shark.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:58 +0200 (EET) Received: from 80.233.245.177 ( [80.233.245.177]) as user kde@10.0.1.1 by www.inbox.lv with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:54 +0200 X-REMOTE-ADDR: 80.233.245.177 X-LANG: ru X-HTTP-HOST: www.inbox.lv X-LOCAL: 1 X-HTTP-USER-AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; FreeBSD i386) Opera 7.54 [ru] Message-ID: <1109433654.42209d367f0b5@www.inbox.lv> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:00:54 +0200 From: Eugene Latvija To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <20050226120009.0387216A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20050226120009.0387216A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: inbox.lv Webmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: WM/DE which use developers an core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:00:56 -0000 Hello ALL! I have question about WM/DE which use core-team and developers-team?Why i ned to know?I have friend he is not admin,only DESKTOP user and he say what real man use only terminal/console without X.And i say i`m admin and use terminal/console only on server,but at home i want to relax and use X.My desktop is very useless because i can write many script to use it better for me work.And my friend say WOW you are LAMER :). It`s funny :) And i need to know about what use core team because it`s real people and they know system better than he or I.If somebody know or team read this mailing-list please say :) Thanks P.S. excuse my about my BAD english Advertisement: Atrodiet savu celojumu seit! http://travel.inbox.lv From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 16:11:07 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AAD16A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:11:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shark.inbox.lv (shark.inbox.lv [81.94.227.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C142D43D2D for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:11:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kde@inbox.lv) Received: from shark.inbox.lv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shark.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C631100091 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:11:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (w5 [10.0.1.10]) by shark.inbox.lv (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:11:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from 80.233.245.177 ( [80.233.245.177]) as user kde@10.0.1.1 by www.inbox.lv with HTTP; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:11:06 +0200 X-REMOTE-ADDR: 80.233.245.177 X-LANG: ru X-HTTP-HOST: www.inbox.lv X-LOCAL: 1 X-HTTP-USER-AGENT: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; X11; FreeBSD i386) Opera 7.54 [ru] Message-ID: <1109434266.42209f9a084a0@www.inbox.lv> Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:11:06 +0200 From: Eugene Latvija To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: inbox.lv Webmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: WM/DE developers and core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:11:07 -0000 Hello ALL! I have question about WM/DE which use core-team and developers-team?Why i ned to know?I have friend he is not admin,only DESKTOP user and he say what real man use only terminal/console without X.And i say i`m admin and use terminal/console only on server,but at home i want to relax and use X.My desktop is very useless because i can write many script to use it better for me work.And my friend say WOW you are LAMER :). It`s funny :) And i need to know about what use core team because it`s real people and they know system better than he or I.If somebody know or team read this mailing-list please say :) Thanks P.S. excuse my about my BAD english Advertisement: Atrodiet savu celojumu seit! http://travel.inbox.lv From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 26 16:36:58 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0157216A4CE for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:36:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freebsd.org.cn (dns3.freebsd.org.cn [61.129.66.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C610943D46 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:36:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: (qmail 41250 invoked by uid 0); 26 Feb 2005 16:27:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO beastie.frontfree.net) (219.239.99.7) by mail.freebsd.org.cn with SMTP; 26 Feb 2005 16:27:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01EFA135979; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:36:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from beastie.frontfree.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (beastie.frontfree.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83952-03; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:36:35 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [61.49.109.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by beastie.frontfree.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B8C1359BE; Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:36:31 +0800 (CST) From: Xin LI To: Eugene Latvija In-Reply-To: <1109434266.42209f9a084a0@www.inbox.lv> References: <1109434266.42209f9a084a0@www.inbox.lv> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OKUR/AGvB57y0Bb4BAma" Organization: The FreeBSD Simplified Chinese Project Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 00:35:15 +0800 Message-Id: <1109435715.643.11.camel@spirit> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at frontfree.net cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WM/DE developers and core team members? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2005 16:36:58 -0000 --=-OKUR/AGvB57y0Bb4BAma Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I personally use GNOME, but only on my laptop, not the servers :-) =E5=9C=A8 2005-02-26=E5=85=AD=E7=9A=84 18:11 +0200=EF=BC=8CEugene Latvija= =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > Hello ALL! >=20 > I have question about WM/DE which use core-team and developers-team?Why i= ned to=20 > know?I have friend he is not admin,only DESKTOP user and he say what real= man=20 > use only terminal/console without X.And i say i`m admin and use terminal/= console=20 > only on server,but at home i want to relax and use X.My desktop is very u= seless=20 > because i can write many script to use it better for me work.And my frien= d say=20 > WOW you are LAMER :). > It`s funny :) > And i need to know about what use core team because it`s real people and = they=20 > know system better than he or I.If somebody know or team read this mailin= g-list=20 > please say :) >=20 > Thanks >=20 > P.S. excuse my about my BAD english Cheers, --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ --=-OKUR/AGvB57y0Bb4BAma Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: =?UTF-8?Q?=E8=BF=99=E6=98=AF=E4=BF=A1=E4=BB=B6=E7=9A=84=E6=95=B0?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E5=AD=97=E7=AD=BE=E5=90=8D=E9=83=A8?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E5=88=86?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBCIKVD/cVsHxFZiIoRAuvyAJ0ZayyPCLbRKYNKgXYsrlSQqJTANQCfcB0U b02jxoafZQEeqHjMSchNxiQ= =SE2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OKUR/AGvB57y0Bb4BAma--