From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 17:46:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BC16A407 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts22.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B9343D45 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.49] ([70.53.22.8]) by tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060911174651.LUHL10262.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.49]> for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:46:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060911135054.J624@dru.domain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: *BSD booth at LISA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:46:54 -0000 A *BSD booth has been obtained for LISA 06: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa06/current_list.html The exhibit hall is in Washington DC on Wed. Dec. 6 and Thurs. Dec. 7. Those who will either be attending LISA or are in the Washington DC area and would like to assist at the booth, please send me your name and availibity time. Also, is there anyone in the DC area who would like to be a coordinator for receiving banners, pamphlets, CDs etc? That would be easier than me going through US customs with such items. Cheers, Dru From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 11 19:05:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9328316A415 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:05:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (ns1.pittgoth.com [216.38.206.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B84043D53 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:05:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mobile.pittgoth.com (ip70-177-190-239.dc.dc.cox.net [70.177.190.239]) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8BJ5OU0052620 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:05:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 15:05:17 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: Dru Message-Id: <20060911150517.6395fbc0.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20060911135054.J624@dru.domain.org> References: <20060911135054.J624@dru.domain.org> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: *BSD booth at LISA X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:05:27 -0000 On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Dru wrote: > > A *BSD booth has been obtained for LISA 06: > > http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa06/current_list.html > > The exhibit hall is in Washington DC on Wed. Dec. 6 and Thurs. Dec. 7. > > Those who will either be attending LISA or are in the Washington DC area > and would like to assist at the booth, please send me your name and > availibity time. Also, is there anyone in the DC area who would like to be > a coordinator for receiving banners, pamphlets, CDs etc? That would be > easier than me going through US customs with such items. > I live in Falls Church, about five or six miles away and would be glad to help, Dru. As it is a week day, please give me a few days to clear this with my boss. Thanks! -- Tom Rhodes From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 02:25:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413F116A403 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bschonhorst@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1C543D45 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:25:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bschonhorst@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i27so2599045wxd for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:25:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oj6gjZOTQ+qVPd0A4F4zwmiWl6qB/wwh1aq5f99p5JH3iKUhw5fazg9OQ+L+hf0JgN8O8wIi03ZST9pyDobtkN7Ue5aCJcICbAt/7b8yqUHmGX0MedJkoruuO55yP+EbowewarU2Al/V020QlLD+ZjNJ647WoU8R7Ar+16kokps= Received: by 10.70.68.9 with SMTP id q9mr11276127wxa; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.39.14 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Sep 2006 19:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7708fd680609131925l3537d59bw9190679c397db5aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 22:25:08 -0400 From: "Brad Schonhorst" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: NYCBSDCon 2006 Registration X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 02:25:10 -0000 We are proud the announce the opening of registration for NYCBSDCon 2006, in addition to the list of confirmed speakers. NYCBSDCon 2006 will be held October 28 and 29 at Columbia University in New York City. Last year's NYCBSDCon 2005 was the first, but this year's has been extended to include more speakers, activities and the opportunity for more networking with the best and the brightest of the BSD community. To register, please go to http://nycbsdcon.org/registration. For those registering before October 21, registration is only $95, which includes continental breakfast and lunch on both Saturday and Sunday, plus beverages throughoutthe event. From October 22 through October 27, the registration cost increases to $145, and walk-ins during the conference will pay $195. So register early to take advantage of the reasonable early-bird pricing. Columbia University students, staff and faculty, with valid identification, may register in person for only $50 onsite at the conference. While the schedule will be worked out during the next week, the confirmed speakers are listed at http://nycbsdcon.org/speakers. NYCBSDCon is sponsored by the New York City *BSD User Group. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:17:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F6DE16A403; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:17:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6449143D4C; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:17:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k8E8H4JY052885 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:04 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.13.3/8.12.11) id k8E8H1vK091852; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:01 +0700 (ICT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:17:01 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd@hub.org In-reply-to: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> (freebsd@hub.org) References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> X-Virus-Scanned: on CSIM by amavisd-milter (http://www.amavis.org/) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:17:08 -0000 > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of France and Australia. Only thing that the figures say is that they are far from being accurate. And that people should be reminded to register from time to time. Bests, Olivier From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 08:43:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA0B16A403; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:43:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from ns2.twenty4help.se (ns2.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFA543D46; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:43:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (132.dairy.twenty4help.se [80.65.195.132]) by ns2.twenty4help.se (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k8E8gLr4098739; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:42:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <45091621.9040200@401.cx> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:43:13 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olivier Nicole References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> In-Reply-To: <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:43:38 -0000 Olivier Nicole wrote: >> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of > France and Australia. This is a long shot, but couldn't it just be that a portal or usergroup of some kind started promoting bsdstats? Lets say a BSD usergroup in Thailand posted a notice on the first page about bsdstats. The usergroup has 200 visitors a day and half of them decides to follow the advice and install bsdstats. That would explain the sudden burst of 100 machines. Another plausible explanation is that an administrator of some network with 100 or so workstations or servers decided to push out bsdstats as a nightly upgrade or similar. It does not seem totally impossible to me, alltough I would not base any major decision on those figures without checking them first. -- R From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 09:58:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313D916A5BC for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:58:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDDA43D46 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:58:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (sxeryj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8E9vaAf037558; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k8E9vZ9m037557; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200609140957.k8E9vZ9m037557@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd@hub.org, on@cs.ait.ac.th In-Reply-To: <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-advocacy User-Agent: tin/1.8.0-20051224 ("Ronay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:42 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd@hub.org, on@cs.ait.ac.th List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:58:06 -0000 [-questions removed from recipient list.] Olivier Nicole wrote: > [...] > > Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push > > the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting > > from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... > > 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of > France and Australia. > > Only thing that the figures say is that they are far from being > accurate. Statistics are _never_ accurate. In this particular case they're especially inaccurate, because the bsdstats project has started just recently, and only few people are using it (5000 is probably nothing compared to the total amount of BSD machines in the world). Therefore the current numbers are hardly representative, they're skewed by regional fluctuations in the spreading of the bsdstats script. That affects not only the country distribution, but also the BSD type distribution. For example, currently debian/ kFreeBSD is at 6 while MirBSD is at 3, but I do not believe that the former is only twice as often in use as the latter. > And that people should be reminded to register from time to time. Once the periodic script is enabled, it will take care of that (at least on FreeBSD). However, there's a problem with machines that aren't running 24 hours per day (like home or office PCs). Many machines are off at the time when the monthly script would normally run. AFAIK Marc is aware of that problem and working on a solution. In fact it's a more general problem, because other periodic scripts won't run either in such cases, e.g. the update of the locate database and other things. Personally I have solved the problem by creating a small script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/. At each boot it checks when the periodic scripts have been run for the last time, and runs them if necessary, recording the time. But that's only a hack that I made myself. FreeBSD needs a more general solution to the problem. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 15:35:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CA616A415 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:35:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liontaur@dslr.net) Received: from mail.dslr.net (mail.dslreports.com [209.123.192.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0C043D5C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:35:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from liontaur@dslr.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dslr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7550943781 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dslr.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (coral.dslreports.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15647-07 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.dslr.net (Postfix, from userid 997) id 24D0B43787; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (d206-116-45-10.bchsia.telus.net [206.116.45.10]) by mail.dslr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAAA543781 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <450976B6.4010601@dslr.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:35:18 -0700 From: Liontaur User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dslr.net Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 15:35:22 -0000 *Perhaps it would be possible to get the FreeBSD site to keep track of downloads? I know that this isn't an ideal solution since not everyone will get FreeBSD from the site, plus it doesn't take into account all of the people who already have FreeBSD unless the site has been tracking downloads for awhile now. But at least it would be a start of some sort too. Mark Date: * Thu, 14 Sep 2006 11:57:35 +0200 (CEST) *From: * Oliver Fromme *To: * freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd@hub.org, on@cs.ait.ac.th *Subject: * Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? *Message-ID: * <200609140957.k8E9vZ9m037557@lurza.secnetix.de > *In-Reply-To: *<200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th > Statistics are _never_ accurate. In this particular case they're especially inaccurate, because the bsdstats project has started just recently, and only few people are using it (5000 is probably nothing compared to the total amount of BSD machines in the world). Therefore the current numbers are hardly representative, they're skewed by regional fluctuations in the spreading of the bsdstats script. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 16:06:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197BB16A412 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:06:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from flat.berklix.org (flat.berklix.org [83.236.223.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C5D43D55 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:06:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from flat.berklix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flat.berklix.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k8EG6jAX093379; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:06:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.org) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by flat.berklix.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k8EG6fh8093378; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:06:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:06:41 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200609141606.k8EG6fh8093378@flat.berklix.org> To: Liontaur Fcc: sent-mail From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen User-agent: EXMH http://beedub.com/exmh/ on FreeBSD http://freebsd.org X-URL: http://berklix.com X-Fallback: jhs@mail.brierdr.com, jhs@freebsd.org, jhs@berklix.net In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:35:18 PDT." <450976B6.4010601@dslr.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:06:54 -0000 Reference: > From: Liontaur > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:35:18 -0700 > Message-id: <450976B6.4010601@dslr.net> Liontaur wrote: > *Perhaps it would be possible to get the FreeBSD site to keep track of downloa ds? I don't think so: Too many mirrors. -- Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. Don't buy it ! Get it free ! http://berklix.org/free-software From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 20:44:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3D716A403; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF7243D46; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:44:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.208.251]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B843A464A; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:43:52 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60175-08; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: from ganymede.hub.org (blk-137-86-60.eastlink.ca [24.137.86.60]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89AA53A40C7; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:36 -0300 (ADT) Received: by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1027) id D42AF5C451; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ganymede.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC6D48168; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:51 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:42:51 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@ganymede.hub.org To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg In-Reply-To: <45091621.9040200@401.cx> Message-ID: <20060914174009.A1031@ganymede.hub.org> References: <20060908220122.E96260@ganymede.hub.org> <200609140817.k8E8H1vK091852@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <45091621.9040200@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:44:06 -0000 On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > Olivier Nicole wrote: >>> Check out http://www.bsdstats.org ... Republic of Korea is about to push >>> the US out of first place, but there are *zero* FreeBSD boxes reporting >>> from there ... DragonFly is first, then NetBSD and then OpenBSD ... >> >> 6 days later: Thailand jumped from 12 machines to 110... ahead of >> France and Australia. > > This is a long shot, but couldn't it just be that a portal or > usergroup of some kind started promoting bsdstats? > Lets say a BSD usergroup in Thailand posted a notice on the first > page about bsdstats. The usergroup has 200 visitors a day and half > of them decides to follow the advice and install bsdstats. That > would explain the sudden burst of 100 machines. > > Another plausible explanation is that an administrator of some > network with 100 or so workstations or servers decided to push out > bsdstats as a nightly upgrade or similar. > > It does not seem totally impossible to me, alltough I would not base > any major decision on those figures without checking them first. At only 5000 hosts, I wouldn't be basing any decisions anyway ... I'd like to see 10x that number, and consistently, every month before reading *too* much into them ... Its only been running about 30 days so far, so @ 5k hosts so far, and most of those *since* Sept 1st, it shouldn't take us too long ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 14 21:26:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3924B16A4AB for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:26:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liontaur@dslr.net) Received: from mail.dslr.net (mail.dslreports.com [209.123.192.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0050A43D5C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:26:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from liontaur@dslr.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.dslr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433E7437DB for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dslr.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (coral.dslreports.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21889-02 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.dslr.net (Postfix, from userid 997) id EE51F437DE; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (d206-116-45-10.bchsia.telus.net [206.116.45.10]) by mail.dslr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B696F437DB for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2006 17:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4509C90D.6070801@dslr.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 14:26:37 -0700 From: Liontaur User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200609141606.k8EG6fh8093378@flat.berklix.org> In-Reply-To: <200609141606.k8EG6fh8093378@flat.berklix.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dslr.net Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 21:26:44 -0000 Bah, good point. But if the mirrors were never directly linked but instead were always called from the FreeBSD site, kind of like how VLC does their downloads for example? Mark Julian Stacey wrote: > Reference: > >> From: Liontaur >> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 08:35:18 -0700 >> Message-id: <450976B6.4010601@dslr.net> >> > > Liontaur wrote: > >> *Perhaps it would be possible to get the FreeBSD site to keep track of downloa >> > ds? > > I don't think so: Too many mirrors. > > -- > Julian Stacey. BSD Unix C Net Consultancy, Munich/Muenchen http://berklix.com > Mail Ascii, not HTML. Ihr Rauch = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz. > Don't buy it ! Get it free ! http://berklix.org/free-software > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 08:04:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6839916A416; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24B943D5E; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:04:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (jylqnu@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k8F84NA4002645; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:04:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k8F84NLr002644; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:04:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:04:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200609150804.k8F84NLr002644@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, scrappy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-advocacy User-Agent: tin/1.8.0-20051224 ("Ronay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-STABLE (i386)) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:04:29 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:04:33 -0000 Marc G. Fournier wrote: > At only 5000 hosts, I wouldn't be basing any decisions anyway ... I'd like > to see 10x that number, and consistently, every month before reading *too* > much into them ... > > Its only been running about 30 days so far, so @ 5k hosts so far, and most > of those *since* Sept 1st, it shouldn't take us too long ... By the way, I've got a small question. Does the database throw all entries away at the end of each month, and start all over again with zero entries? Or is each entry expired after a certain time has elapsed (31 days or whatever)? I just noticed that "PC-BSD" is mentioned as separate OS in the statistics now. I think it would be better to count it for FreeBSD instead, because PC-BSD (similar to FreeSBIE) is just a standard FreeBSD kernel + userland, plus some gadgets on top (GUI installer or live FS, respectively). In fact, I think that mentioning too many different BSD variants is counter-productive against the goals of the project. The main goal is to provide numbers to vendors and manufacturers, in order to get better support. However, mentioning a dozen different BSD variants will likely turn them away. Therefore I propose that only the "big four" are mentioned explicitely on the homepage, and all the rest be counted as "others" or similar. Just my 2 Euro cents. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. "The scanf() function is a large and complex beast that often does something almost but not quite entirely unlike what you desired." -- Chris Torek From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 15 08:25:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5BE16A403 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-advocacy@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4D243D46 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:25:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-advocacy@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1GO90Q-0006gA-9D for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:25:02 +0200 Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr ([161.53.72.113]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:25:02 +0200 Received: from ivoras by lara.cc.fer.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:25:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 10:19:48 +0200 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <200609150804.k8F84NLr002644@lurza.secnetix.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: lara.cc.fer.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060625) In-Reply-To: <200609150804.k8F84NLr002644@lurza.secnetix.de> Sender: news Subject: Re: FreeBSD not popular in Asia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 08:25:05 -0000 Oliver Fromme wrote: > In fact, I think that mentioning too many different BSD > variants is counter-productive against the goals of the > project. The main goal is to provide numbers to vendors > and manufacturers, in order to get better support. > However, mentioning a dozen different BSD variants will > likely turn them away. > > Therefore I propose that only the "big four" are mentioned > explicitely on the homepage, and all the rest be counted > as "others" or similar. Yes, this is likely to be much better than the current state of things.