From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 10:20:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C396D16A412 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:20:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BA243D49 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:20:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-148-132.51-151.net24.it [151.51.132.148]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92APpWh059654 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:25:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k92AJs0O042872 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 12:19:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Message-ID: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:20:26 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 212.31.247.179 Subject: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 10:20:46 -0000 Hello. A customer of mine is running a 4.x system with 5 or 6 SCSI disks, operated by the aforementione controller in a RAID5 configuration. Due to the obsolescence (and soon lack of support) of this version of the OS, we are planning the upgrade to 6.x and he would like to change the hardware too. In fact we are not to happy with this card: speed and stability are very good, but the lack of any tool to manage the RAID forces us to reboot. Besides, since Mylex seems to have gone out of business, we must hope that controller never dies, or the disks would not be accessible any more, would they? So, I have a few questions: _ is support for this card (mly driver) improved in newer versions? Is it working ok even on AMD64 platform? Are there any utilities to manage it through the OS? _ how about going with software RAID? AFAIK there are graid3 (which is not what we want, I guess) and gvinum, but I heard the latter is not quite production ready and/or the documentation is not finished; _ any hint or recommendation for a replacement card which will possibly stay on the market for a while and has an OS management interface? I know this has probably been asked many times, but things tend to change over time, so what I found with Google might already be old... bye av. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 11:08:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2EC16A51A for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FB443D45 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k92B8ao5001617 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:36 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k92B8Zsh001613 for freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:35 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:08:35 GMT Message-Id: <200610021108.k92B8Zsh001613@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: linimon set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:08:36 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/27059 scsi [sym] SCSI subsystem hangs under heavy load on (Server o kern/28508 scsi problems with backup to Tandberg SLR40 strimmer o kern/39388 scsi ncr/sym drivers fail with 53c810 and more than 256MB m o kern/40895 scsi wierd kernel / device driver bug o kern/52638 scsi [panic] SCSI U320 on SMP server won't run faster than s kern/57398 scsi [mly] Current fails to install on mly(4) based RAID di o kern/60598 scsi wire down of scsi devices conflicts with config o kern/60641 scsi [sym] Sporadic SCSI bus resets with 53C810 under load s kern/61165 scsi [panic] kernel page fault after calling cam_send_ccb o kern/74627 scsi [ahc] [hang] Adaptec 2940U2W Can't boot 5.3 o kern/81887 scsi [aac] Adaptec SCSI 2130S aac0: GetDeviceProbeInfo comm o kern/90282 scsi [sym] SCSI bus resets cause loss of ch device o kern/92798 scsi [ahc] SCSI problem with timeouts o kern/93128 scsi [sym] FreeBSD 6.1 BETA 1 has problems with Symbios/LSI o kern/94838 scsi Kernel panic while mounting SD card with lock switch o o kern/99954 scsi [ahc] reading from DVD failes on 6.x (regression) 16 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o kern/23314 scsi aic driver fails to detect Adaptec 1520B unless PnP is o kern/35234 scsi World access to /dev/pass? (for scanner) requires acce o kern/38828 scsi [feature request] DPT PM2012B/90 doesn't work o kern/44587 scsi dev/dpt/dpt.h is missing defines required for DPT_HAND o kern/76178 scsi [ahd] Problem with ahd and large SCSI Raid system o kern/96133 scsi [scsi] [patch] add scsi quirk for joyfly 128mb flash u o kern/103702 scsi [cam] [patch] ChipsBnk: Unsupported USB memory stick 7 problems total. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 17:32:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37F416A40F for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:32:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amon@sockar.homeip.net) Received: from mallaury.nerim.net (smtp-101-monday.noc.nerim.net [62.4.17.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EED943D49 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:32:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from amon@sockar.homeip.net) Received: from sockar.homeip.net (tourist.net8.nerim.net [213.41.176.3]) by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31C04F3C1 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:31:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ra.aabs (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sockar.homeip.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k92FPAVK052918 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:25:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from amon@ra.aabs) Received: (from amon@localhost) by ra.aabs (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k92FPAvs052917 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:25:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from amon) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:25:10 +0200 From: Herve Boulouis To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061002152510.GA46550@ra.aabs> References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:32:12 -0000 Le 02/10/2006 12:20, Andrea Venturoli a écrit: > Hello. > _ any hint or recommendation for a replacement card which will possibly > stay on the market for a while and has an OS management interface? Adaptec and LSI both have management tools for freebsd. LSI cards seems to have the favors of many, I'm myself migrating from old aac based raid controllers to LSI megaraid (320-1x) and I'm quite satisfied for now. Note that I do mostly RAID1 with them and a few RAID5. -- Herve Boulouis From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 17:41:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A11316A407 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F77A43D45 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:41:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from [10.10.3.185] ([165.236.175.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k92HNMwl052923 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:23:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Message-ID: <45214B02.8010200@samsco.org> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:23:14 -0600 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060206 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on pooker.samsco.org Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 17:41:39 -0000 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > A customer of mine is running a 4.x system with 5 or 6 SCSI disks, > operated by the aforementione controller in a RAID5 configuration. > > Due to the obsolescence (and soon lack of support) of this version of > the OS, we are planning the upgrade to 6.x and he would like to change > the hardware too. In fact we are not to happy with this card: speed and > stability are very good, but the lack of any tool to manage the RAID > forces us to reboot. Besides, since Mylex seems to have gone out of > business, we must hope that controller never dies, or the disks would > not be accessible any more, would they? > > So, I have a few questions: > _ is support for this card (mly driver) improved in newer versions? Is > it working ok even on AMD64 platform? Are there any utilities to manage > it through the OS? There hasn't been many changes to this driver in several years. I haven't tested it on amd64, and I know that it cannot reliably handle >4GB of RAM, so you'd be at very high risk if you used it. There was a simple tool for querying status that was floating around a few years ago (if I'm remembering the correct controller). I can try to dig it up if you're interested. > _ how about going with software RAID? AFAIK there are graid3 (which is > not what we want, I guess) and gvinum, but I heard the latter is not > quite production ready and/or the documentation is not finished; > _ any hint or recommendation for a replacement card which will possibly > stay on the market for a while and has an OS management interface? Depends on what you're looking for. Things have changed since the old days of SCSI controllers. Are you looking to stay with SCSI, or are you looking to move to SATA? What about SAS? There are cost/performance/reliability tradeoffs there. A number of good choices exist in each category, so you'll need to decide which direction to go in. Scott From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 18:01:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B96F16A417 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F405443D7C for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:00:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-148-132.51-151.net24.it [151.51.132.148]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92I6D0P022017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:06:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k92I0Cor027266; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:00:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Message-ID: <452153CD.3080103@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:00:45 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long , freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> <45214B02.8010200@samsco.org> In-Reply-To: <45214B02.8010200@samsco.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 212.31.247.179 Cc: Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:01:06 -0000 Scott Long wrote: >> So, I have a few questions: >> _ is support for this card (mly driver) improved in newer versions? Is >> it working ok even on AMD64 platform? Are there any utilities to >> manage it through the OS? > > There hasn't been many changes to this driver in several years. I > haven't tested it on amd64, and I know that it cannot reliably handle > >4GB of RAM, so you'd be at very high risk if you used it. This should not be my case anyway. > There was a simple tool for querying status that was floating around a > few years ago (if I'm remembering the correct controller). I can try > to dig it up if you're interested. I've put "camcontrol devlist" in my daily periodic: this shows the RAID as being online or critical and detects *most* problems. Watching the log throgh logcheck or whatever is mandatory anyway. If you have anything better, I might be interested, since I have another server with the same card which is going to live for still a long time. >> _ any hint or recommendation for a replacement card which will >> possibly stay on the market for a while and has an OS management >> interface? > > Depends on what you're looking for. Things have changed since the old > days of SCSI controllers. Are you looking to stay with SCSI, or are you > looking to move to SATA? What about SAS? There are > cost/performance/reliability tradeoffs there. We are staying with SCSI, since the disks are good and provide what we want. The controller could be good too, if it wasn't for those two minor problems I described earlier. BTW, I know SATA, altough I still have to work with a decent RAID card, but I don't know what SAS is. Can you briefly tell? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 18:05:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A0516A403 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ECE643D46 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 18:05:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-148-132.51-151.net24.it [151.51.132.148]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k92IAcJ5022596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:10:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k92I4bWl028057; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:04:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Message-ID: <452154D6.4090305@netfence.it> Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:05:10 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Herve Boulouis , freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> <20061002152510.GA46550@ra.aabs> In-Reply-To: <20061002152510.GA46550@ra.aabs> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 212.31.247.179 Cc: Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 18:05:22 -0000 Herve Boulouis wrote: >> _ any hint or recommendation for a replacement card which will possibly >> stay on the market for a while and has an OS management interface? > > Adaptec and LSI both have management tools for freebsd. LSI cards seems to > have the favors of many, Thanks I'll look into them. What models of Adaptec exactly work well? (I know HostRAID doesn't). Are the CLIs in the port tree? What's their name? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 2 20:54:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2380D16A403 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amon@sockar.homeip.net) Received: from mallaury.nerim.net (smtp-101-monday.noc.nerim.net [62.4.17.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2A443D72 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:54:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from amon@sockar.homeip.net) Received: from sockar.homeip.net (tourist.net8.nerim.net [213.41.176.3]) by mallaury.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FAD84F3B0 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:54:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ra.aabs (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sockar.homeip.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k92Ks9nj054143 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:54:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from amon@ra.aabs) Received: (from amon@localhost) by ra.aabs (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id k92Ks9ba054142 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:54:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from amon) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:54:09 +0200 From: Herve Boulouis To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061002205409.GI46550@ra.aabs> References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> <20061002152510.GA46550@ra.aabs> <452154D6.4090305@netfence.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <452154D6.4090305@netfence.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 20:54:28 -0000 Le 02/10/2006 20:05, Andrea Venturoli a écrit: > Herve Boulouis wrote: > > >>_ any hint or recommendation for a replacement card which will possibly > >>stay on the market for a while and has an OS management interface? > > > >Adaptec and LSI both have management tools for freebsd. LSI cards seems to > >have the favors of many, > > Thanks I'll look into them. > What models of Adaptec exactly work well? (I know HostRAID doesn't). The aac driver based adaptec controllers embedded in dell poweredge systems and the 2200S standalone card work quite well (avoid 2120S, it has performance issues) HostRAID is software raid for the general public, it's completely inappropriate for servers. > Are the CLIs in the port tree? What's their name? the cli is named aaccli and is downloadable on adaptec's website. Although the controllers I've mentionned are known to work reliably (4 years of production here on nearly 50 servers), they are showing their age (dell now uses LSI chips, for instance) and recently adaptec has not been very cooperative with the free software community for the support of their cards. 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From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 6 02:47:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7AFF16A5AD for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:47:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.mx.meer.net [209.157.153.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7422843D45 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 02:47:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k962jrjP085660 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id k962jcct083565 for ; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@mail.meer.net) Received: (from jrhett@localhost) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) id k962jc51083564 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 19:45:38 -0700 From: Jo Rhett To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20061006024538.GB77594@svcolo.com> References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> Organization: svcolo.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 02:47:23 -0000 On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 12:20:26PM +0200, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > _ is support for this card (mly driver) improved in newer versions? Is > it working ok even on AMD64 platform? Are there any utilities to manage > it through the OS? It currently fails during reboot. The driver maintainer offered a patch which didn't work. I had to switch hardware, and I'm trying to find time to rebuilt that system for him to test with. > _ how about going with software RAID? AFAIK there are graid3 (which is > not what we want, I guess) and gvinum, but I heard the latter is not > quite production ready and/or the documentation is not finished; gvinum is dead. geom vinum is SWEEEEET. -- Jo Rhett senior geek SVcolo : Silicon Valley Colocation From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 6 11:50:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B291116A415 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F4143D46 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:50:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-148-132.51-151.net24.it [151.51.132.148]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96Bu28v073599 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:56:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k96BnV57014457; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:49:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Message-ID: <452642F4.5060601@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:50:12 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jo Rhett , freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> <20061006024538.GB77594@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061006024538.GB77594@svcolo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 212.31.247.179 Cc: Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:50:29 -0000 Jo Rhett wrote: > gvinum is dead. geom vinum is SWEEEEET. I thought "vinum" was dead and "gvinum" was "geom vinum"... Is that what you meant? Or is "geom vinum" something even newer than "gvinum"? Any pointer in that case? bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 6 13:16:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690E816A412 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrea.venturoli@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3120E43D60 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:16:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andrea.venturoli@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-148-132.51-151.net24.it [151.51.132.148]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k96DLpfu085594 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:21:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andrea.venturoli@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k96DFL1G040136 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:15:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from andrea.venturoli@netfence.it) Message-ID: <45265712.7000309@netfence.it> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 15:16:02 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 212.31.247.179 Subject: Intel SRCU42E X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:16:17 -0000 Hello. Is the above controller supported? man amr reports SRCU42X (same model but PCI-X instead of PCI-E) and MegaRAID SCSI 320-2E (which should be the same as SRCU42E) working, so I would suppose so, but I thought I'd better ask before buying. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 6 17:01:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9092B16A403 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@svcolo.com) Received: from outbound0.sv.meer.net (outbound0.mx.meer.net [209.157.153.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9C43D58 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 17:01:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jrhett@svcolo.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [209.157.152.14]) by outbound0.sv.meer.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k96H0CjM072731 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 10:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@svcolo.com) Received: from [10.66.240.106] (public-wireless.sv.svcolo.com [64.13.135.30]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id k96GwZp0078346 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@svcolo.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <452642F4.5060601@netfence.it> References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> <20061006024538.GB77594@svcolo.com> <452642F4.5060601@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60B1D5C1-A34B-4141-8523-EFF83D87BF01@svcolo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jo Rhett Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 09:58:21 -0700 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:01:03 -0000 On Oct 6, 2006, at 4:50 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > I thought "vinum" was dead and "gvinum" was "geom vinum"... > Is that what you meant? No. > Or is "geom vinum" something even newer than "gvinum"? Any pointer > in that case? Sorry, GEOM Mirror. Read this http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/ -- Jo Rhett senior geek Silicon Valley Colocation From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 6 20:24:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3012C16A415 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from myself@rojer.pp.ru) Received: from wooster.rojer.pp.ru (wooster.rojer.pp.ru [80.68.246.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69D143D58 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:24:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from myself@rojer.pp.ru) Received: from wooster.rojer.pp.ru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wooster.rojer.pp.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id C858C11417 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:24:14 +0400 (MSD) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.5-rojer (2006-08-29) on wooster.rojer.pp.ru X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.5-rojer Received: from [IPv6:::1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wooster.rojer.pp.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:24:10 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <4526BB4E.1070505@rojer.pp.ru> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 13:23:42 -0700 From: Deomid Ryabkov User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060916) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <45265712.7000309@netfence.it> In-Reply-To: <45265712.7000309@netfence.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Intel SRCU42E X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 20:24:27 -0000 Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > Is the above controller supported? > man amr reports SRCU42X (same model but PCI-X instead of PCI-E) and > MegaRAID SCSI 320-2E (which should be the same as SRCU42E) working, so I > would suppose so, but I thought I'd better ask before buying. yes, they are both supported by amr(4), but of these two, i'd recommend to go with LSI's MegaRAID, rather than Intel's flavor. first, 320-2E has a better IOP than -2X (e.g., should be faster - but not that i have tested) second, intel, in their version of bios, has completely removed the text version of configurator (i.e. Ctrl-M), only leaving GUI. not only is it inconvenient to navigate without a mouse (tab, tab, tab...), but it is impossible to create an array - you are supposed to select disks by ctrl-clicking and tehre is no other way (at least i couldn't figure out). so you pretty much have to have a mouse to manage your arrays from bios, which sucks. in all other respects Intel SRC* and LSI's controllers are pretty much the same hardware. -- Deomid Ryabkov aka Rojer myself@rojer.pp.ru rojer@sysadmins.ru ICQ: 8025844 From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 7 11:01:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6835516A412 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:01:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from parrot.aev.net (parrot.aev.net [212.31.247.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495A743D55 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:01:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from soth.ventu (adsl-ull-148-132.51-151.net24.it [151.51.132.148]) (authenticated bits=128) by parrot.aev.net (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k97B6q26055825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:06:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Received: from [10.1.2.18] (alamar.ventu [10.1.2.18]) by soth.ventu (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k97B0CS7005933; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 13:00:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml.diespammer@netfence.it) Message-ID: <452788E8.60502@netfence.it> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 13:00:56 +0200 From: Andrea Venturoli User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (X11/20060915) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jo Rhett , freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> <20061006024538.GB77594@svcolo.com> <452642F4.5060601@netfence.it> <60B1D5C1-A34B-4141-8523-EFF83D87BF01@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <60B1D5C1-A34B-4141-8523-EFF83D87BF01@svcolo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 212.31.247.179 Cc: Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 11:01:10 -0000 Jo Rhett wrote: >> Or is "geom vinum" something even newer than "gvinum"? Any pointer in >> that case? > > Sorry, GEOM Mirror. Read this http://people.freebsd.org/~rse/mirror/ Ah, ok. I've been using gmirror for a long time on other servers and I confirm it works like a charm. Problem is: it's RAID1, and I was looking for RAID5 in this case. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 7 15:22:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6212716A519 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: from richard2.pil.net (mail.pil.net [207.7.198.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7C3643D7B for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:22:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from up@3.am) Received: (qmail 92095 invoked by uid 1825); 7 Oct 2006 15:22:03 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 15:22:03 -0000 Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 11:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: up@3.am X-X-Sender: up@richard2.pil.net To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Adaptec vs. LSI RAID X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:22:11 -0000 Hi: I was just browsing the archives because I am looking to replace a server that was using an Adaptec 2100S low profile SCSI RAID adapter, and came across this thread suggesting LSI MegaRAID SCSI-320-1. Which FreeBSD driver do you use for it? The only mention of LSI I saw in the GENERIC kernel config was for their SAS adapters. Does aaccli work with the LSI adapters or does it have its own utility? Please reply directly, as I am not subscribed. TIA! James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor up@3.am http://3.am ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 7 15:48:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015A016A412 for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@dishpower.net) Received: from mail.dishpower.net (starscream.dishpower.net [88.96.100.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC83043D5F for ; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 15:48:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from steve@dishpower.net) Received: (qmail 71078 invoked from network); 7 Oct 2006 16:55:06 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.66.1.21?) (88.96.100.97) by mail.dishpower.net with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 7 Oct 2006 16:55:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4527CC4C.8020907@dishpower.net> Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 16:48:28 +0100 From: Steve Gibbs User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org References: <4520E7EA.1060302@netfence.it> <20061006024538.GB77594@svcolo.com> In-Reply-To: <20061006024538.GB77594@svcolo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Replacing a Mylex AcceleRAID? X-BeenThere: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SCSI subsystem List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 15:48:44 -0000 Jo Rhett wrote: > It currently fails during reboot. The driver maintainer offered a patch > which didn't work. I had to switch hardware, and I'm trying to find time > to rebuilt that system for him to test with. > I had the same issue with fails during reboots, however the issue seems to have gone now after upgrading the machine to 6.2-BETA1. The lack of management utilities for the mly driver is still the biggest downside. Regards, -- Steve Gibbs