From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 11:06:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B60116A403 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A96B13C44C for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l01B6Is6047912 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:06:18 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l01B6GCj047900 for DOC; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:06:16 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:06:16 GMT Message-Id: <200701011106.l01B6GCj047900@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: linimon set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:06:18 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. r - repocopy The resolution of the problem report is dependent on a repocopy operation within the CVS repository which is awaiting completion. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o docs/27605 doc [patch] Cross-document references () s docs/35678 doc docproj Makefiles for web are broken for paths with sp o docs/61605 doc [feature request] Improve documentation for i386 disk o docs/80843 doc [patch] psm(4): Suggested fix for psm0 / handle driver o docs/84932 doc new document: printing with an Epson ALC-3000N on Free o docs/98115 doc Missing parts after rendering handbook to RTF format o docs/106135 doc articles/vinum needs to be updated o docs/107378 doc [handbook] Handbook Installation chapter needs fixing 8 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- s docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags in the sourc o docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string warnings a docs/30008 doc [patch] French softupdates document should be translat s docs/33589 doc [patch] to doc.docbook.mk to post process .tex files. o docs/35222 doc [patch] getmsg.cgi: mailing list archive URL regexp su o docs/35608 doc mt(1) page uses "setmark" without explanation. o docs/35609 doc mt(1) page needs explanation of "long erase". o docs/35612 doc ps(1) page "state" description doesn't mention "spread o docs/35953 doc hosts.equiv(5) manual is confusing or wrong about host o docs/36432 doc Proposal for doc/share/mk: make folded books using psu o docs/36449 doc symlink(7) manual doesn't mention trailing slash, etc. o docs/38982 doc [patch] developers-handbook/Jail fix o docs/39348 doc diskless(8): note that kenv fetch of hostname requires o docs/39530 doc access(2) man page has unnecessarily broad warning o docs/40423 doc Keyboard(4)'s definition of parameters to GETFKEY/SETF o docs/41089 doc pax(1) -B option does not mention interaction with -z o docs/41807 doc [patch] natd(8): document natd -punch_fw "bug" o docs/43823 doc [PATCH] update to environ(7) manpage o docs/43941 doc document the Rationale for Upgrade Sequence (e.g. why o docs/44074 doc [patch] ln(1) manual clarifications o docs/46295 doc please add information to Nvi recovery email o docs/47594 doc [PATCH] passwd(5) incorrectly states allowed username o docs/47818 doc [patch] ln(1) manpage is confusing o docs/48101 doc [patch] add documentation on the fixit disk to the FAQ o docs/50211 doc [PATCH] doc.docbook.mk: fix textfile creation o docs/51891 doc DIAGNOSTICS in ed(4) driver manpage don't match realit o docs/52071 doc [PATCH] Add more information about soft updates into a o docs/53575 doc Change to Handbook Section 20.9 (SMTP Authentication) o docs/53596 doc Updates to mt(1) manual page s docs/55482 doc document the fact that DUMP has access to block device o docs/57388 doc [patch] INSTALL.TXT enhancement: mention ok prompt o docs/57926 doc [patch] amd.conf(5) poorly format as it has both man(7 o docs/59044 doc [patch] doc.docbook.mk does not properly handle a sour o docs/59477 doc Outdated Info Documents at http://docs.freebsd.org/inf o docs/59835 doc ipfw(8) man page does not warn about accepted but mean o docs/61070 doc handbook: Installation docs misleading: PResizer isn' o docs/61301 doc [patch] Manpage patch for aue(4) to enable HomePNA fun o docs/61667 doc Obsolete documentation on FreeBSD PnP o docs/62412 doc one of the diskless boot methods described in the Hand o docs/63215 doc Wrong prototypes in mi_switch(9) (ref docs/24311) o docs/64807 doc Handbook section on NAT incomplete o docs/65477 doc release notes: installation instruction fail to mentio o docs/66265 doc [patch] Document what -f and LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS_F o docs/66296 doc [patch] contrib/amd/amq/amq.8 uses log_options instead o docs/66483 doc [patch] share/man/man4/csa.4 grammar nits o docs/69861 doc [patch] usr.bin/csplit/csplit.1 does not document POSI o docs/70217 doc [patch] Suggested rewrite of docproj/sgml.sgml for cla o docs/73679 doc FreeBSD 5.3 Release notes mention new natd(8) function o docs/74612 doc [patch] updates to the glossary o docs/75865 doc comments on "backup-basics" in handbook o docs/75995 doc hcreate(3) documentation(?) bug o docs/76333 doc [patch] ferror(3): EOF indicator can be cleared by not o docs/78041 doc [patch] docs for md(4) need further explanation of typ o docs/78138 doc [patch] Error in pre-installation section of installat o docs/78240 doc [patch] handbook: replace with aroun o docs/78480 doc Networked printer setup unnecessarily complex in handb o docs/78915 doc rfork(2)'s RFTHREAD is not documented o docs/82595 doc 25.5.3 Configuring a bridge section of the handbook ne o docs/83621 doc [patch]: Minor omissions in /usr/src/UPDATING p docs/84101 doc [patch] mt(1) manpage has erroneous synopsis, etc. o docs/84154 doc Handbook somewhat off in use of /boot/kernel.old o docs/84265 doc [patch] chmod(1) manpage omits implication of setting p docs/84266 doc [patch] security(8) manpage should have init(8)'s list o docs/84267 doc [patch] chflags(1) manual doesn't say it's affected by o docs/84268 doc chmod(1) manpage's BUGS entry is either wrong or too c o docs/84317 doc fdp-primer doesn't show class=USERNAME distinctively o docs/84670 doc [patch] tput(1) manpage missing ENVIRONMENT section wi o docs/84806 doc mdoc(7) manpage has section ordering problems o docs/84956 doc [patch] intro(5) manpage doesn't mention API coverage o docs/85118 doc [PATCH] opiekey(1) references non-existing opiegen(1) o docs/85128 doc loader.conf(5) autoboot_delay incompletly described o docs/85187 doc [patch] find(1) manpage missing block info for -ls o docs/85243 doc Missing icmp related abbreviations for pf.conf(5) in i o docs/86342 doc bikeshed entry of Handbook is wrong o docs/87857 doc ifconfig(8) wireless options order matters o docs/87936 doc Handbook chapter on NIS/YP lacks good information on a o docs/88477 doc Possible addition to xl(4) manpage, Diagnostics sectio o docs/88512 doc [patch] mount_ext2fs(8) man page has no details on lar o docs/89325 doc [PATCH] Clarification of kbdmap(5), atkbd(4) and kbdco o docs/89492 doc vfs doc: some VOP_*(9) manual pages are outdated with o docs/91149 doc read(2) can return EINVAL for unaligned access to bloc o docs/91506 doc ndis(4) man page should be more specific about support o docs/92626 doc jail manpage should mention disabling some periodic sc o docs/93249 doc rewrite of handbook chapter 23 (PPP & SLIP) o docs/93363 doc Handbook 23.11. SMTP-Authentifizierung o docs/94125 doc DGE-530T doesn't work on FreeBSD v6.0 o docs/94625 doc [patch] growfs man page -- document "panic: not enough o docs/95139 doc FAQ to move filesystem to new disk fails: incorrect pe o docs/96207 doc Comments of a sockaddr_un structure could confuse one o docs/97939 doc some mistake in man of amq(8) o docs/98974 doc Missing tunables in loader(8) manpage o docs/99007 doc [patch] misleading nat configuration info o docs/99506 doc FreeBSD Handbook addition: IPv6 Server Settings o docs/99845 doc [patch] First introduce porttools to Porter's Handbook o docs/100196 doc man login.conf does explain not "unlimited" o docs/100242 doc sysctl(3) description of KERN_PROC is not correct anym o docs/101464 doc sync u_RU.KOI8-R/articles/portbuild/article.html with o docs/102148 doc The description of which Intel chips have EM64T is out o docs/102719 doc [patch] ng_bpf(4) example leads to unneeded promiscuos f docs/103730 doc [mail-archive]: duplicated file in mail archive o docs/104403 doc man security should mention that the usage of the X Wi o docs/104493 doc [patch] Wrong description in ntp.conf(5) (CURRENT and o docs/104879 doc Howto: Listen to IMA ADPCM .wav files on FreeBSD box o docs/105494 doc [PATCH] PH: rewrite WxWidgets entry o docs/105556 doc hosts.allow is available as a man-page o docs/105608 doc fdc(4) debugging description staled o docs/105620 doc new article: LDAP Authentication o docs/105997 doc sys/kern/sys_pipe.c refer to tuning(7), but there is n o docs/106416 doc man page, xargs option not documented o docs/106425 doc [PATCH] add a HARDWARE-section to ata(4) o docs/106617 doc Typo found in Spanish translation of FreeBSD handbook p docs/107306 doc grammar error in make(1) 113 problems total. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 11:21:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8222316A40F for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from virtual.micronet.sk (smtp.micronet.sk [84.16.32.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 423BC13C455 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danger@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5334210E64B; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:52:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at virtual.micronet.sk Received: from virtual.micronet.sk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (virtual.micronet.sk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UGGPn4ky1ufo; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:52:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from danger.mcrn.sk (danger.mcrn.sk [84.16.37.254]) by virtual.micronet.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D49B10E5FA; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:52:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:52:52 +0100 From: Daniel Gerzo Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <216005770.20070101115252@rulez.sk> To: Niclas Zeising In-Reply-To: <200612312110.kBVLAMrh067144@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <200612312110.kBVLAMrh067144@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re[2]: docs/107378: [handbook] Handbook Installation chapter needs fixing X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Daniel Gerzo List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 11:21:17 -0000 Hello Niclas, Sunday, December 31, 2006, 10:10:22 PM, you wrote: > I have done some work, or rather, I have outlined some of the work that > I think needs to be done. The work stopped halfway though due to lack of > time, as usual. I've got a couple of days off from work next week I hope > and will try to continue then. I would advise/ask you to release your work to the wider audience so we could possibly import your modifications and improve our installation chapter step by step. It also speeds up the review since we don't have to deal with 1000 lines long diffs. > > Regards, and happy new year! +1 ;-) > //Niclas -- Best regards, Daniel mailto:danger@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 12:20:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22E7716A403; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:20:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC80A13C428; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:20:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from [81.232.22.183] (81.232.22.183) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 456CB2C8006A581F; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:11:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4598EC45.2000806@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:11:01 +0100 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Gerzo References: <200612312110.kBVLAMrh067144@freefall.freebsd.org> <216005770.20070101115252@rulez.sk> In-Reply-To: <216005770.20070101115252@rulez.sk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/107378: [handbook] Handbook Installation chapter needs fixing X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:20:27 -0000 Daniel Gerzo wrote: > Hello Niclas, > > Sunday, December 31, 2006, 10:10:22 PM, you wrote: > >> I have done some work, or rather, I have outlined some of the work that >> I think needs to be done. The work stopped halfway though due to lack of >> time, as usual. I've got a couple of days off from work next week I hope >> and will try to continue then. > > I would advise/ask you to release your work to the wider audience so we > could possibly import your modifications and improve our installation > chapter step by step. It also speeds up the review since we don't have > to deal with 1000 lines long diffs. > >> >> Regards, and happy new year! > > +1 ;-) > >> //Niclas > They're not diffs yet, it's just some (hand)written text about what I think needs to be done. I'll try to get it out later today. //Niclas From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 18:38:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7859516A403 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com (ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com [38.99.2.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C0313C457 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 18:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-123-204-253.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.123.204.253] helo=reedmedia.net) by ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1H1RSc-0006uJ-64 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 10:00:34 -0800 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 1208-1167674434; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:00:37 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 12:00:34 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: open source BSD book project (testers needed) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 18:38:44 -0000 I am working on an open source book documentation project covering BSD administration based on the objectives published by the BSD Certification Group in the 2005 BSDA Certification Requirements Document. The BSDA (BSD Associate) Certification is for BSD Unix system administrators with light to moderate skills. I am looking for a few testers for the website interface before it is publicly announced. If you are interested in participating or helping write a little or being a technical reviewer for a few book pages, please let me know. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 21:24:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA5F16A40F for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:24:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from czarek@therek.net) Received: from ns1.therek.net (ns1.therek.net [193.59.34.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6551513C45E for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from czarek@therek.net) Received: from liquid.therek.itnet (liquid.therek.itnet [192.168.86.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns1.therek.net (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l01KpslD066532 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:51:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from czarek@therek.net) From: Cezary Morga Organization: therek.net To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 21:51:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1304757.jl9NyLQF1p"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200701012151.41737.czarek@therek.net> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.7 (2006-10-05) on ns1.therek.net Subject: Re: open source BSD book project (testers needed) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 21:24:30 -0000 --nextPart1304757.jl9NyLQF1p Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dnia poniedzia=B3ek 01 stycznia 2007 19:00, Jeremy C. Reed napisa=B3: > I am looking for a few testers for the website interface before it is > publicly announced. > > If you are interested in participating or helping write a little or being > a technical reviewer for a few book pages, please let me know. I'll be glad to participate in it, if you'd like. I believe I can be somewh= at=20 helpful with the web interface and book review. Regards, =2D-=20 Cezary Morga GG# 169903 ICQ# 328-700-565 Jabber therek(at)jabber.autocom.pl; therek(at)bash.org.pl [=3D- http://www.therek.net/ -=3D][=3D- http://freebsd.therek.net/ -=3D] --nextPart1304757.jl9NyLQF1p Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFmXRdLGQOq4F2UIIRAi0YAJ42qvjLuQYvEb/sT7btuhYff8FrUQCgxI+/ IdhBgFkEu9TIKmd8Wvxkirk= =ovsP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1304757.jl9NyLQF1p-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 00:40:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952FA16A416 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:40:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from japattison@gmail.com) Received: from surge1.montanasat.net (surge2-smtp1.montanasat.net [216.211.191.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4735413C442 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:40:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from japattison@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unverified [216.211.180.223]) by surge2.montanasat.net (SurgeMail 3.8f2) with ESMTP id 6476116-1812087 for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:51:46 -0700 From: JAPattison To: doc@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:47:36 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701011547.36860.japattison@gmail.com> Cc: Subject: cdrecord X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 00:40:15 -0000 In 17.6.4 cdrecord - of the FreeBSD handbook you show cdrecord as being something that can be used to burn cd iso's. You say I "must install it from either the port at sysutils/cdrtools or the appropriate package." I cannot find it at /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools "cdrtools-2.01_5 CD/CD-R[W] and ISO-9660 image creation and extraction tools Long description | Package | Sources | Main Web Site Maintained by: marius@FreeBSD.org Requires: expat-2.0.0_1, gettext-0.14.5_2, gmake-3.81_1, ldconfig_compat-1.0_8, libiconv-1.9.2_2, rc_subr-1.31_1 Also listed in: Audio cdrtools-devel-2.01.01a11,1 CD/DVD and ISO-9660 image creation and extraction tools Long description | Sources | Main Web Site Maintained by: marius@FreeBSD.org Requires: expat-2.0.0_1, gettext-0.14.5_2, gmake-3.81_1, ldconfig_compat-1.0_8, libiconv-1.9.2_2, rc_subr-1.31_1 Also listed in: Audio", all I can find is front-ends for cdrecord, and I would like to use the CLI, instead of a GUI. I'm sorry to bother you with my newbie ignorances, but I don't know how to find it in ports or anything else. I am trying to learn FreeBSD 6.1. Thanks, goatman Clanphaedirean@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92BF616A407 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 01:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3002B13C465 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 01:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so6649802nfc for ; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:59:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ApOD9gNdZcDpA0YJYcFyxjAIo9i6uRYMbuJQ5HRxXjhdgO3BgjzFYgPoHhbIC0gbrDQjm6f8xWM4BBkOmQ/ZshvRP2IPuDCgJjHHb046C4S+sQ21yZZB2OHhwl6Jr+s6WaXVYcLljuBH+xo1KZn34fmbEXgf1HGJLNj+9Z5QlSQ= Received: by 10.78.204.20 with SMTP id b20mr5284365hug.1167701650419; Mon, 01 Jan 2007 17:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.164.20 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:34:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 04:34:10 +0300 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" Sender: infofarmer@gmail.com To: JAPattison In-Reply-To: <200701011547.36860.japattison@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200701011547.36860.japattison@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6b0880a2d6aa457c Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cdrecord X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 01:59:49 -0000 On 1/2/07, JAPattison wrote: > In 17.6.4 cdrecord - of the FreeBSD handbook you show cdrecord as being > something that can be used to burn cd iso's. You say I "must install it from > either the port at sysutils/cdrtools or the appropriate package." I cannot > find it at /usr/ports/sysutils/cdrtools "cdrtools-2.01_5 > CD/CD-R[W] and ISO-9660 image creation and extraction tools > Long description | Package | Sources | Main Web Site > Maintained by: marius@FreeBSD.org > Requires: expat-2.0.0_1, gettext-0.14.5_2, gmake-3.81_1, > ldconfig_compat-1.0_8, libiconv-1.9.2_2, rc_subr-1.31_1 > Also listed in: Audio > cdrtools-devel-2.01.01a11,1 > CD/DVD and ISO-9660 image creation and extraction tools > Long description | Sources | Main Web Site > Maintained by: marius@FreeBSD.org > Requires: expat-2.0.0_1, gettext-0.14.5_2, gmake-3.81_1, > ldconfig_compat-1.0_8, libiconv-1.9.2_2, rc_subr-1.31_1 > Also listed in: Audio", all I can find is front-ends for cdrecord, and I would > like to use the CLI, instead of a GUI. > > I'm sorry to bother you with my newbie ignorances, but I don't know how to > find it in ports or anything else. I am trying to learn FreeBSD 6.1. 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Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:50:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l02BoCC9099264; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:50:12 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:50:12 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200701021150.l02BoCC9099264@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Tomas Mozes Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D0BD16A412 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [69.147.83.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1626913C442 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:45:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l02BjEjW066504 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:45:14 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l02BjEPZ066503; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:45:14 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200701021145.l02BjEPZ066503@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:45:14 GMT From: Tomas Mozes To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.0 Cc: Subject: docs/107426: obsolete info in fdp-primer X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:50:12 -0000 >Number: 107426 >Category: docs >Synopsis: obsolete info in fdp-primer >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 02 11:50:12 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Tomas Mozes >Release: >Organization: none >Environment: >Description: 1) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/stylesheets-css.html 5.2.1 The Web site (HTML documents) "The FreeBSD web site does not currently use CSS." --- The new web site uses CSS. 2) http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/fdp-primer/see-also-linuxdoc.html The link should be changed from http://www.linuxdoc.org/ to http://www.tldp.org/ >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:00:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1D316A412 for ; 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Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [69.147.83.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0185F13C46A for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l02DpoOI002739 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:51:50 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l02Dpovo002738; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:51:50 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200701021351.l02Dpovo002738@www.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:51:50 GMT From: Ganael LAPLANCHE To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.0 Cc: Subject: docs/107430: find(1) '-newerct' option not documented X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:00:35 -0000 >Number: 107430 >Category: docs >Synopsis: find(1) '-newerct' option not documented >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 02 14:00:34 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ganael LAPLANCHE >Release: 6.2-PRERELEASE >Organization: http://contribs.martymac.com >Environment: FreeBSD home.martymac.com 6.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-PRERELEASE #0: Sat Dec 23 14:57:47 CET 2006 root@home.martymac.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL amd64 >Description: The man pages gives examples showing how to use the command. Unfortunately, one example uses an undocumented option (newerct) : find / -newerct '1 minute ago' -print This option should be documented... >How-To-Repeat: read the man page ;-) >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:10:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1868F16A407 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:10:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5DA13C43E for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l02EANXe016692 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l02EANRq016691; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:10:23 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:10:23 GMT Message-Id: <200701021410.l02EANRq016691@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Maxim Konovalov Cc: Subject: Re: docs/107430: find(1) '-newerct' option not documented X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Maxim Konovalov List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:10:24 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/107430; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Maxim Konovalov To: Ganael LAPLANCHE Cc: bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/107430: find(1) '-newerct' option not documented Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:07:15 +0300 (MSK) Hi, [...] > >Description: > The man pages gives examples showing how to use the command. > Unfortunately, one example uses an undocumented option (newerct) : > > find / -newerct '1 minute ago' -print > > This option should be documented... It is. > >How-To-Repeat: > read the man page ;-) -newerXY file True if the current file has a more recent last access time (X=a), inode creation time (X=B), change time (X=c), or modifica- tion time (X=m) than the last access time (Y=a), inode creation time (Y=B), change time (Y=c), or modification time (Y=m) of file. In addition, if Y=t, then file is instead interpreted as a direct date specification of the form understood by cvs(1). Note that -newermm is equivalent to -newer. -- Maxim Konovalov From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB94016A407; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maxim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82D6513C45D; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from maxim@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (maxim@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l02EMkXm017801; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:22:46 GMT (envelope-from maxim@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from maxim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l02EMkHm017797; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:22:46 GMT (envelope-from maxim) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:22:46 GMT From: Maxim Konovalov Message-Id: <200701021422.l02EMkHm017797@freefall.freebsd.org> To: martymac@martymac.com, maxim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: docs/107430: find(1) '-newerct' option not documented X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:22:46 -0000 Synopsis: find(1) '-newerct' option not documented State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: maxim State-Changed-When: Tue Jan 2 14:21:55 UTC 2007 State-Changed-Why: -newer?? options are documented actually. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=107430 From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 15:20:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0328816A403 for ; 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Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phoemix@marvin.harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3E213C45D for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phoemix@marvin.harmless.hu) Received: from localhost (marvin-mail [192.168.0.2]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529ED7BFD11 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:43:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu ([192.168.0.2]) by localhost (marvin.harmless.hu [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mg-jgxBjKgn0 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:43:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F377BFCCF for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:43:49 +0100 (CET) Received: (from phoemix@localhost) by marvin.harmless.hu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id l02EhnKH000575; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:43:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phoemix) Message-Id: <200701021443.l02EhnKH000575@marvin.harmless.hu> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:43:49 +0100 (CET) From: Gergely CZUCZY To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Cc: Subject: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gergely CZUCZY List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 15:20:17 -0000 >Number: 107432 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Tue Jan 02 15:20:16 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gergely CZUCZY >Release: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD marvin.harmless.hu 6.1-RELEASE-p10 FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE-p10 #5: Sun Nov 19 10:39:45 CET 2006 root@marvin.harmless.hu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MARVIN i386 It was reported by a user who has just installed 6.2-RC2 >Description: The handbook's default partitioning scheme looks like this: a 100MB / b 2-3x RAM swap d 50MB /var e rest /usr now, the user installed his comupter like this, and he asked that why was he out-of-space when he installed some packages. i checked my desktop's /var. usage, and it was 56MB so, things might had been changed since then. >How-To-Repeat: See description. >Fix: i suggest the following partitioning scheme for newbies in the handbook: a 500MB / b 500MB-2G swap (depending on the ammount of RAM) d rest /usr having a separate /var for first installers is not so important. for later on usage it could be suggested to use more partitions, and the different tree points were explained along with why they might need a separate partition. like: / 500MB, rootfs swap depending on the amount of RAM /usr as big as possible, user applications were take place here, along with ports and system sources /tmp separation might be needed to not let temporary large files to disturb the system. also think of /var/tmp /var ~100MB with respect to /var/log, /var/db /var/log it's a good idea to sperate this, thus some logs might fill the disk which can disturb other daemons using /var /usr/home or /home, user account data /usr/local 3rdparty packages, to separate them from the base system ... so on. so, i suggest a general newbie-partition-schema and a detailed explanation for advanced/production/non-desktop usage >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 16:50:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC88716A40F for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725B513C469 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l02GoKYh037203 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:50:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l02GoKbO037201; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:50:20 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:50:20 GMT Message-Id: <200701021650.l02GoKbO037201@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: "Niclas Zeising" Cc: Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Niclas Zeising List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 16:50:20 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/107432; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "Niclas Zeising" To: "Gergely CZUCZY" Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:20:22 +0100 There is some work in progress about doing a major overhaul of the entire installation chapter. This issue will likely be fixed by then, at least for the most common case. From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 07:03:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B35416A415 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29A613C455 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:03:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B6892FEBC; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:31:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24136-04; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:31:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from redqueen.evilcoder-services.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FAB92FD5D; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:31:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by redqueen.evilcoder-services.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DA47F666E; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:31:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 07:31:45 +0100 From: Remko Lodder To: Niclas Zeising Message-ID: <20070103063145.GG75370@elvandar.org> References: <200701021650.l02GoKbO037201@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200701021650.l02GoKbO037201@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 at elvandar.org Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:03:40 -0000 On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 04:50:20PM +0000, Niclas Zeising wrote: > The following reply was made to PR docs/107432; it has been noted by GNATS. > > From: "Niclas Zeising" > To: "Gergely CZUCZY" > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:20:22 +0100 > > There is some work in progress about doing a major overhaul of the > entire installation chapter. This issue will likely be fixed by then, > at least for the most common case. Perhaps it will be a good idea to document the 'new' defaults for larger systems. Do note however that with disks smaller then 2GB (from my head) the old defaults still apply. If you want I can give you the information (I need to look it up as well). Cheers, remko -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org /* Quis custodiet ipsos custodes */ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 19:14:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E4816A415; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:14:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Daniel.Nerenberg@afit.edu) Received: from mr-afit.afit.edu (mr-afit.afit.edu [129.92.253.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3430B13C45B; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 19:14:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Daniel.Nerenberg@afit.edu) Received: from webmail.afit.edu ([129.92.1.44]) by mr-afit.afit.edu (SMSSMTP 4.1.11.41) with SMTP id M2007010313591103069 ; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 13:59:11 -0500 Received: from webmail.afit.edu by webmail.afit.edu via smtpd (for mr-afit.afit.edu [129.92.253.250]) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:46:31 -0500 Received: from ms-afit-03.afit.edu ([129.92.1.54]) by MS-AFIT-01.afit.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:59:11 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C72F69.404B2337" Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 13:58:53 -0500 Message-ID: <792700546363C941B876B9D41AF447590179DB9D@MS-AFIT-03.afit.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD Architecture Thread-Index: AccvaTadroNghMi1Tl2sfmMjt/pvUA== From: "Nerenberg Daniel D 1stLt AFIT/ENG" To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jan 2007 18:59:11.0683 (UTC) FILETIME=[414AA130:01C72F69] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:36:22 +0000 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: FreeBSD Architecture X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 19:14:34 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C72F69.404B2337 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C72F69.404B2337" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C72F69.404B2337 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_003_01C72F69.404B2337" ------_=_NextPart_003_01C72F69.404B2337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a diagram somewhere that describes how FreeBSD is organized? For example, Linux has the following diagram: <>=20 >From everything I have found this diagram also applies to FreeBSD simply by replacing the Linux kernel with the FreeBSD kernel. Is this accurate? I attached a .doc with the diagram just in case the above diagram does not come through for some reason. Thank you in advance for all your help. Respecfully, Daniel Nerenberg <>=20 ------_=_NextPart_003_01C72F69.404B2337 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Is there a diagram somewhere that = describes how FreeBSD is organized? For example, Linux has the = following diagram: 3D"Picture From everything I have found this = diagram also applies to FreeBSD simply by replacing the Linux kernel = with the FreeBSD kernel. Is this accurate? I attached a .doc = with the diagram just in case the above diagram does not come through = for some reason. Thank you in advance for all your = help. Respecfully, Daniel Nerenberg = <> ------_=_NextPart_003_01C72F69.404B2337-- ------_=_NextPart_002_01C72F69.404B2337-- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C72F69.404B2337-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 20:36:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5609016A412 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:36:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186CA13C442 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 20:36:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s18so6065315wxc for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:36:23 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uipoQlzTikpYc2iILGGDGv/lVo+QMQEDVPAK0tUIup2rb4YZaj/EDAhJP6cUlrxNc90AegEw/2/jXBbYPf1Q7LzhxJK6i372mBWt9s7VQ82qA8xrkRelbI4RrZNH33nh6bB589BdQ+Q+CbxBfM1ALKBUHSrkKhMQi26RGY9VXpA= Received: by 10.70.111.2 with SMTP id j2mr39494605wxc.1167854872808; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:07:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.131.11 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:07:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:07:52 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Nerenberg Daniel D 1stLt AFIT/ENG" In-Reply-To: <792700546363C941B876B9D41AF447590179DB9D@MS-AFIT-03.afit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <792700546363C941B876B9D41AF447590179DB9D@MS-AFIT-03.afit.edu> Cc: questions@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Architecture X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 20:36:26 -0000 Try this: http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201702452 The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System, by Marshall Kirk McKusick, George V. Neville-Neil Kurt On 1/3/07, Nerenberg Daniel D 1stLt AFIT/ENG wrote: > > Is there a diagram somewhere that describes how FreeBSD is > organized? For example, Linux has the following diagram: > > 3D"Picture > > From everything I have found this diagram also applies to FreeBSD > simply by replacing the Linux kernel with the FreeBSD kernel. Is > this accurate? I attached a .doc with the diagram just in case the > above diagram does not come through for some reason. > > Thank you in advance for all your help. > Respecfully, > Daniel Nerenberg > > <> > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 07:12:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1A616A407 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marshall.brannan@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A25C13C428 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 07:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marshall.brannan@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id x37so7417899nfc for ; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:12:42 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=t5k5GvftGlf9x6rpEnEwv+oBNGDvdtjxAlwSv/LA7K3KYtL64wzMZfEJpIgmZg4p5slau94atk7OnrEv37la2e5Arus4tD7hzD9DWlSpSAo6aRFuge646aIGCI+X6LRdgCR/mNImyidBBgI1J81nG91XRUTNddKZYksCLl1jkPs= Received: by 10.82.184.2 with SMTP id h2mr1890247buf.1167893167411; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 22:46:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.111.15 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:46:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2ef9ce8f0701032246y59bf3d8btce5d8ac50b9597ae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 00:46:07 -0600 From: "James Marshall Brannan" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Broken link X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 07:12:43 -0000 To whom it may concern, The link to the Ohio State University Unix course at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html is broken. Their online course is now located at http://8help.osu.edu/wks/unix_course/ This may also be useful for newbies: "Unix System Administration" - http://8help.osu.edu/wks/sysadm_course/html/sysadm-1.html -M From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 09:30:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CDB16A407 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D92D13C480 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 09:30:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from localhost (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B01EB4845; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:59:51 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([210.51.165.229]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4vld40Xd5erP; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:59:42 +0800 (CST) Received: from [10.217.12.122] (sina152-194.staff.sina.com.cn [61.135.152.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7A1EB5A43; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 16:59:42 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=KWRm6DJXZWCIgQCS30rIi/zLiD44oD0hsFZ63WnNaIv7dzDhVNG0Akmj/Lo26h0oj UUeF2tsAXj7ZuhsZdudUA== Message-ID: <459CC1B6.2040001@delphij.net> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:58:30 +0800 From: LI Xin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Marshall Brannan References: <2ef9ce8f0701032246y59bf3d8btce5d8ac50b9597ae@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2ef9ce8f0701032246y59bf3d8btce5d8ac50b9597ae@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-ripemd160; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigA66C1DDCC0FA1EF525104F88" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Broken link X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 09:30:34 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigA66C1DDCC0FA1EF525104F88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable James Marshall Brannan wrote: > To whom it may concern, >=20 > The link to the Ohio State University Unix course at > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html is broken. > Their online course is now located at http://8help.osu.edu/wks/unix_cou= rse/ >=20 > This may also be useful for newbies: "Unix System Administration" - > http://8help.osu.edu/wks/sysadm_course/html/sysadm-1.html Committed, thanks! The change should appear in the main FreeBSD.org site in 24 hours. BTW. Note that the preferred place to report this sort of documentation change is www@, please consider submitting changes there to get changes hit the tree more quickly. Cheers, --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! --------------enigA66C1DDCC0FA1EF525104F88 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFnMG2OfuToMruuMARA0rXAJ9kAK9Uu9XV8TEKDE0laJ3gWJWcoQCfRZwM wLOC19pX71i1U/j59mqte5o= =mrib -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigA66C1DDCC0FA1EF525104F88-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 20:46:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67DE16A407 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:46:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com (ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com [38.99.2.247]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D1813C47E for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from pool-71-123-204-253.dllstx.fios.verizon.net ([71.123.204.253] helo=reedmedia.net) by ca.pugetsoundtechnology.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1H2ZTV-0003aR-1A for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 12:46:09 -0800 Received: from reed@reedmedia.net by reedmedia.net with local (mailout 0.17) id 15552-1167943572; Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:46:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:46:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: open source BSD book project (testers needed) X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:46:19 -0000 The project is now open: A collaborative, short-term open source authoring project to quickly write a book covering the basics from the 2005 BSDA Certification Requirements Document was recently started. The BSD Certification Group's BSDA (BSD Associate) Certification is for BSD Unix system administrators with light to moderate skills. Using a wiki, authors, reviewers and readers all contribute to complete the book by the end of February. This bsdwiki contains over a hundred pages each with the topics defined by the BSD Certification Group. A PDF in book format is periodically generated from this wiki content. To contribute, please join at http://bsdwiki.reedmedia.net/ From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 18:40:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05AD16A416 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889E313C457 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:40:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l05IeM06016656 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:40:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l05IeMwM016655; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:40:22 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:40:22 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200701051840.l05IeMwM016655@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, Jan Schaumann Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA9916A412 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (www.freebsd.org [69.147.83.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1C513C458 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:34:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: from www.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l05IYpSO060337 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:34:51 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l05IYpWX060336; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:34:51 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200701051834.l05IYpWX060336@www.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:34:51 GMT From: Jan Schaumann To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.0 Cc: Subject: docs/107578: uniq(1) should mention max line length X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:40:22 -0000 >Number: 107578 >Category: docs >Synopsis: uniq(1) should mention max line length >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Jan 05 18:40:21 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Jan Schaumann >Release: n/a >Organization: >Environment: n/a >Description: uniq(1) uses LINE_MAX + 1, but this is not mentioned anywhere in the man page, causing one to wonder why uniq is not working as expected on input with longer lines. >How-To-Repeat: for i in `jot 4096`; do printf "a" >> file; done echo >> file for i in `jot 4096`; do printf "a" >> file; done echo >> file uniq file man uniq >Fix: --- /tmp/uniq.1 Fri Jan 5 10:31:16 2007 +++ /tmp/uniq.1.old Fri Jan 5 10:31:41 2007 @@ -153,9 +153,3 @@ .Nm command appeared in .At v3 . -.Sh BUGS -The -.Nm -utilitiy limits lines to a maximum of LINE_MAX + 1 bytes in length -(commonly 2048 + 1). -It will not be able to filter out identical lines longer than that. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 10:10:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7367816A4A7 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521DA13C44C for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l06AASNh009902 for ; 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Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:06:04 GMT (envelope-from nobody@www.freebsd.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l06A64qv092584; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:06:04 GMT (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200701061006.l06A64qv092584@www.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 10:06:04 GMT From: "Dr. Markus Waldeck" To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-3.0 Cc: Subject: docs/107611: man syncookies should mention net.inet.tcp.syncookies_only X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:10:28 -0000 >Number: 107611 >Category: docs >Synopsis: man syncookies should mention net.inet.tcp.syncookies_only >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Jan 06 10:10:27 GMT 2007 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Dr. Markus Waldeck >Release: 7.0-CURRENT-200611 >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD fbh 7.0-CURRENT-200611 FreeBSD 7.0-CURRENT-200611 root@fb:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/FB70B01 i386 >Description: man syncookies should mention net.inet.tcp.syncookies_only and explain the impact of the usage >How-To-Repeat: man syncookies >Fix: add a usefull explanation >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 12:00:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C3A16A57F for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [69.147.83.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E70313C45A for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l06C0fWT019110 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:00:41 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id l06C0fZZ019107; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:00:41 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:00:41 GMT Message-Id: <200701061200.l06C0fZZ019107@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org From: Ceri Davies Cc: Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ceri Davies List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 12:00:41 -0000 The following reply was made to PR docs/107432; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Ceri Davies To: Remko Lodder Cc: Niclas Zeising , FreeBSD Gnats Submit Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out-of-date Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:53:15 +0000 --GID0FwUMdk1T2AWN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:31:45AM +0100, Remko Lodder wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 04:50:20PM +0000, Niclas Zeising wrote: > > The following reply was made to PR docs/107432; it has been noted by GN= ATS. > >=20 > > From: "Niclas Zeising" > > To: "Gergely CZUCZY" > > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: docs/107432: Handbook's default partitioning schema is out= -of-date > > Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:20:22 +0100 > >=20 > > There is some work in progress about doing a major overhaul of the > > entire installation chapter. This issue will likely be fixed by then, > > at least for the most common case. >=20 > Perhaps it will be a good idea to document the 'new' defaults > for larger systems. Do note however that with disks smaller then > 2GB (from my head) the old defaults still apply. If you want I > can give you the information (I need to look it up as well). The current mininum sizes are: / 128M (alpha,ia64,sparc64,amd64) / 118M (everything else) swap 32M /usr 160M /var, /tmp, /home 20M Defaults are: / 512M /usr 8G /var 1G /tmp 512M /home 8G If the defaults can't be met, we try the following values before falling back to the minimum: / 256M /usr 1.5G /var 128M /tmp 128M /home 1.5G This information in sysinstall/label.c. Ceri --=20 That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all. -- Moliere --GID0FwUMdk1T2AWN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFn42rocfcwTS3JF8RAkusAJ9mZuh+0DK23d8vrm/Z0LowwSwWuACcDiRS cAs66Ye+0++7l0OMQh2IIWY= =gP9q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --GID0FwUMdk1T2AWN-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 16:10:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AED416A415 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net [81.228.11.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E8F13C458 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from [90.224.61.244] (90.224.61.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 456CB2C8007A35E2 for doc@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 16:00:27 +0100 Message-ID: <459FB98E.7060209@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:00:30 +0100 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Changes and Updates to Installation chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:10:27 -0000 This is a list of changes that I think are needed in the Installation Chapter of the Handbook. It is not a patch to the documentation or anything, I want to discuss the changes before continuing working with doing the actual changes. In short, it is mostly an update to bring the installation chapter up to speed. New screenshots from sysinstall, changes to match the reality and the current state of sysinstall, those kind of things. Some of the bigger changes is removal of alpha-specific bits, or at least add a note regarding the status of Alpha. Someone with alpha-experience need to validate that the instructions for alpha still is correct. Maybe we should add something about SPARC if there is big difference from installing on an i386/amd64. Further, it's removal of most of the X-related bits, pointing the user to the X chapter instead, since X configuration is not part of the installation procedure anymore. One note on this is that most Linux distributions comes with X pretty much setup from default installation. I think we have to have clear and precise notes on how to set up X so people not used to the command line can get their graphical interface. The biggest change I suggest is removal of most of the bits regarding networking, and putting them in some sort of "Simple networking" chapter in the networking section instead. I think we only should have instructions on how to get an internet connection up and working in the workstation sense, i. e. how to be able to surf the net and so on. WWW/FTP-servers, NFS and so on doesn't belong in an installation chapter in my opinion. I also had an idea of adding a chapter to the networking section which talks about tcp/ip-networks in general, subnetting, routing and so on. Is that too much of topic? This is just suggestions. As said before I would like some input on this before continuing to do the actual work. I have a more detailed list about what's needed to be done, but since it's mostly small fixes I realized the above summary better describes what has to be done. I can type it down and post it if someone asks for it. Regards! //Niclas From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 19:13:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C1B16A403 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from abigail.blackend.org (bgn92-3-82-227-222-164.fbx.proxad.net [82.227.222.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F355D13C465 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 19:13:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marc@blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (gothic.blackend.org [192.168.1.203]) by abigail.blackend.org (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l06J0Utc033873; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:00:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@abigail.blackend.org) Received: from gothic.blackend.org (localhost.blackend.org [127.0.0.1]) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l06J1CSW002684; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:01:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc@gothic.blackend.org) Received: (from marc@localhost) by gothic.blackend.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id l06J1Cax002683; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:01:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:01:11 +0100 From: Marc Fonvieille To: Niclas Zeising Message-ID: <20070106190111.GC1088@gothic.blackend.org> References: <459FB98E.7060209@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <459FB98E.7060209@gmail.com> X-Useless-Header: blackend.org X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RC1 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changes and Updates to Installation chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 19:13:48 -0000 On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 04:00:30PM +0100, Niclas Zeising wrote: > This is a list of changes that I think are needed in the Installation > Chapter of the Handbook. It is not a patch to the documentation or > anything, I want to discuss the changes before continuing working with > doing the actual changes. > > In short, it is mostly an update to bring the installation chapter up to > speed. New screenshots from sysinstall, changes to match the reality and > the current state of sysinstall, those kind of things. > Some of the bigger changes is removal of alpha-specific bits, or at > least add a note regarding the status of Alpha. Someone with > alpha-experience need to validate that the instructions for alpha still > is correct. Maybe we should add something about SPARC if there is big > difference from installing on an i386/amd64. > Further, it's removal of most of the X-related bits, pointing the user > to the X chapter instead, since X configuration is not part of the > installation procedure anymore. One note on this is that most Linux > distributions comes with X pretty much setup from default installation. > I think we have to have clear and precise notes on how to set up X so > people not used to the command line can get their graphical interface. Hello, (Quick answer) You think about xorgcfg(1)? It is possible to add the dozen of xorgcfg's screens but it will remain difficult for the newbie cause the same "weird" questions will be asked, but this time, via a graphical interface. I mean using "Xorg -configure" or xorgcfg(1) is quite the same thing, we have no FreeBSD specific GUI to configure X11, so we cannot "compete" with the Installers you seen on some Linux distribution or some desktop oriented FreeBSD derivatives. > The biggest change I suggest is removal of most of the bits regarding > networking, and putting them in some sort of "Simple networking" chapter > in the networking section instead. I think it's not possible and not a good thing to remove things that the user can or will meet/need during installation process (don't forget some people get installation files via Internet, etc.). > I think we only should have > instructions on how to get an internet connection up and working in the > workstation sense, i. e. how to be able to surf the net and so on. Well if the user's Internet connection setup is not done via DHCP you cannot easily describe a general way to set up the Internet access. If the connection uses DHCP, it's fine since this configuration can be done at installation time in the parts you want to remove. > WWW/FTP-servers, NFS and so on doesn't belong in an installation chapter > in my opinion. By Installation chapter, the idea was covering everything that can be done during the installation process with our installer (currently sysinstall). It's possible to configure everything (but X11) during the installation, which is very interesting for some users. > I also had an idea of adding a chapter to the networking section which > talks about tcp/ip-networks in general, subnetting, routing and so on. > Is that too much of topic? > It's not what does the "27.2 Gateways and Routes" section and some other sections? > This is just suggestions. As said before I would like some input on this > before continuing to do the actual work. I have a more detailed list > about what's needed to be done, but since it's mostly small fixes I > realized the above summary better describes what has to be done. I can > type it down and post it if someone asks for it. > >From my point of view, we need to update the current text and screenshots to match the current installation process (the current steps the user will meet during the installation). The X11 part in the current Installation chapter can be reduced, in fact changed to match what is done during the use of sysinstall(8). I don't think we need to remove things cause they may be "difficult" to understand by the user, we must keep post-installation steps. Marc From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 21:06:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4120916A40F for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net (a.mail.sonic.net [64.142.16.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEB713C448 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:06:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bmah@freebsd.org) Received: from [64.142.31.109] (phantom.kitchenlab.org [64.142.31.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.8.Beta0-Sonic/8.13.7) with ESMTP id l06L60GX003848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:06:01 -0800 Message-ID: <45A00F38.10803@freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:06:00 -0800 From: "Bruce A. Mah" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Macintosh/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Niclas Zeising References: <459FB98E.7060209@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <459FB98E.7060209@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=5ba052c3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig35F4F4D60B9F0C9667BB45F1" Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changes and Updates to Installation chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 21:06:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig35F4F4D60B9F0C9667BB45F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If memory serves me right, Niclas Zeising wrote: > This is a list of changes that I think are needed in the Installation=20 > Chapter of the Handbook. It is not a patch to the documentation or=20 > anything, I want to discuss the changes before continuing working with = > doing the actual changes. On a related note: There's an article called "Installation Notes" or some such thing in the release documentation. It is probably older than the installation chapter in the handbook, and was never anywhere near as well-maintained. Two or three years ago, I started working on converting this to a kind of "Quickstart Guide", which would basically cover downloading and creating install media, and the initial bootstrap steps up to the point of the main install menu. It was never finished, although I have some hopes of seeing this work used somehow. (I have neither the time nor knowledge required to finish this properly, alas.) Here's a PDF of what it looked like: http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/doc/quickstart.pdf If there's some good, solid interest in finishing this, I can figure out a reasonable way to put the source files into FreeBSD Perforce or something like that for some other doc types to hack on. I mention this mostly in the hope that there'd be a way for a Quickstart Guide and the Installation Chapter to mesh somehow. Somebody mentioned to me once that maybe the quickstart guide could be a subset of the installation chapter, which is also an idea worth pursuing. Cheers, Bruce. --------------enig35F4F4D60B9F0C9667BB45F1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFoA852MoxcVugUsMRAo+oAKCCVIy0U9IH0d6IAqLuH3c5r1g6LgCgiVyS 5SUgL/d+73xSdv6mcMmsy2o= =2ubv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig35F4F4D60B9F0C9667BB45F1-- From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 22:35:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B1716A583 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 22:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCD113C455 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 22:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from [90.224.61.244] (90.224.61.244) by pne-smtpout2-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 452BAB41011E6B2E; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:35:43 +0100 Message-ID: <45A02433.5020306@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:35:31 +0100 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Fonvieille References: <459FB98E.7060209@gmail.com> <20070106190111.GC1088@gothic.blackend.org> In-Reply-To: <20070106190111.GC1088@gothic.blackend.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changes and Updates to Installation chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:35:45 -0000 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > On Sat, Jan 06, 2007 at 04:00:30PM +0100, Niclas Zeising wrote: >> This is a list of changes that I think are needed in the Installation >> Chapter of the Handbook. It is not a patch to the documentation or >> anything, I want to discuss the changes before continuing working with >> doing the actual changes. >> >> In short, it is mostly an update to bring the installation chapter up to >> speed. New screenshots from sysinstall, changes to match the reality and >> the current state of sysinstall, those kind of things. >> Some of the bigger changes is removal of alpha-specific bits, or at >> least add a note regarding the status of Alpha. Someone with >> alpha-experience need to validate that the instructions for alpha still >> is correct. Maybe we should add something about SPARC if there is big >> difference from installing on an i386/amd64. >> Further, it's removal of most of the X-related bits, pointing the user >> to the X chapter instead, since X configuration is not part of the >> installation procedure anymore. One note on this is that most Linux >> distributions comes with X pretty much setup from default installation. >> I think we have to have clear and precise notes on how to set up X so >> people not used to the command line can get their graphical interface. > > Hello, > > (Quick answer) > > You think about xorgcfg(1)? It is possible to add the dozen of > xorgcfg's screens but it will remain difficult for the newbie cause the > same "weird" questions will be asked, but this time, via a graphical > interface. I mean using "Xorg -configure" or xorgcfg(1) is quite the > same thing, we have no FreeBSD specific GUI to configure X11, so we > cannot "compete" with the Installers you seen on some Linux distribution > or some desktop oriented FreeBSD derivatives. A dozen screens from xorgcfg(1) is not needed, neither is it what I was looking for. What I meant was that the instructions we have are quite clear, at least to get a graphical user interface working. Maybe a how-to somewhere or something. I haven't read the X chapter of the handbook, maybe that's sufficient as it is, as long as it's current. It would be good to have something to point at. I'm not saying we can or should "compete" with the desktop oriented Linuces or PCBSD or the like, just that we need some instructions on how to configure X. > >> The biggest change I suggest is removal of most of the bits regarding >> networking, and putting them in some sort of "Simple networking" chapter >> in the networking section instead. > > I think it's not possible and not a good thing to remove things that the > user can or will meet/need during installation process (don't forget > some people get installation files via Internet, etc.). > >> I think we only should have >> instructions on how to get an internet connection up and working in the >> workstation sense, i. e. how to be able to surf the net and so on. > > Well if the user's Internet connection setup is not done via DHCP you > cannot easily describe a general way to set up the Internet access. > If the connection uses DHCP, it's fine since this configuration can be > done at installation time in the parts you want to remove. Noted. You can also set up a static IP-address from sysinstall, but it doesn't matter. > >> WWW/FTP-servers, NFS and so on doesn't belong in an installation chapter >> in my opinion. > > By Installation chapter, the idea was covering everything that can be > done during the installation process with our installer (currently > sysinstall). It's possible to configure everything (but X11) during the > installation, which is very interesting for some users. Ok. > >> I also had an idea of adding a chapter to the networking section which >> talks about tcp/ip-networks in general, subnetting, routing and so on. >> Is that too much of topic? >> > > It's not what does the "27.2 Gateways and Routes" section and some other > sections? Maybe. The idea came from a short discussion when someone (ceri iirc) updated the networking chapters to use CDIR-notation instead of mentioning the old A/B/C-class networks. I thought we maybe needed some sort of explanation of CDIR and other network related stuff somewhere. If there is such a place already, we can always expand that instead. > >> This is just suggestions. As said before I would like some input on this >> before continuing to do the actual work. I have a more detailed list >> about what's needed to be done, but since it's mostly small fixes I >> realized the above summary better describes what has to be done. I can >> type it down and post it if someone asks for it. >> > > From my point of view, we need to update the current text and > screenshots to match the current installation process (the current steps > the user will meet during the installation). The X11 part in the > current Installation chapter can be reduced, in fact changed to match > what is done during the use of sysinstall(8). I don't think we need to > remove things cause they may be "difficult" to understand by the user, > we must keep post-installation steps. > I never intended to remove the "difficult" pieces of the installation chapter. The rationale behind moving most of the networking bits was to have one place (the networking section) explain almost everything regarding networking. If most people want them to stay where they are, they stay, with an update of course. Regards! //Niclas From owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 23:24:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doc@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3568016A412; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net [81.228.8.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F230F13C441; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niclas.zeising@gmail.com) Received: from [90.224.61.244] (90.224.61.244) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 453F8F4200EDCCDE; Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:15:04 +0100 Message-ID: <45A01F66.7050904@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:15:02 +0100 From: Niclas Zeising User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Bruce A. Mah" References: <459FB98E.7060209@gmail.com> <45A00F38.10803@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <45A00F38.10803@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changes and Updates to Installation chapter X-BeenThere: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Documentation project List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 23:24:15 -0000 Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Niclas Zeising wrote: >> This is a list of changes that I think are needed in the Installation >> Chapter of the Handbook. It is not a patch to the documentation or >> anything, I want to discuss the changes before continuing working with >> doing the actual changes. > > On a related note: > > There's an article called "Installation Notes" or some such thing in the > release documentation. It is probably older than the installation > chapter in the handbook, and was never anywhere near as well-maintained. > > Two or three years ago, I started working on converting this to a kind > of "Quickstart Guide", which would basically cover downloading and > creating install media, and the initial bootstrap steps up to the point > of the main install menu. It was never finished, although I have some > hopes of seeing this work used somehow. (I have neither the time nor > knowledge required to finish this properly, alas.) > > Here's a PDF of what it looked like: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/doc/quickstart.pdf > > If there's some good, solid interest in finishing this, I can figure out > a reasonable way to put the source files into FreeBSD Perforce or > something like that for some other doc types to hack on. > > I mention this mostly in the hope that there'd be a way for a Quickstart > Guide and the Installation Chapter to mesh somehow. Somebody mentioned > to me once that maybe the quickstart guide could be a subset of the > installation chapter, which is also an idea worth pursuing. I think it's a great idea with some sort of quick start. I think it can live together with the installation chapter and be a subset, just as you mentioned. It can be a reference for the impatient who just want to set up a system as quick as possible or for the experienced user who only need some quick notes on how it's done in FreeBSD. In that document you can point to where in the handbook you can find more in-depth information about the tasks. Maybe it can live in the iso-file/on the cd as well as on the webpage, so you get the quick guide together with the software, just as with the "Installation Notes". We just have to make sure to update the docs in both places. Regards! //Niclas