From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 00:17:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C9316A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA6013C465 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so2961916fgg.35 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:17:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:x-authentication-warning:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=FS7ZZ4vvRI+T0wDRVctsxP7xvZJ4/QR67NSSv5YUasM=; b=lmZ9d+3XNOAeHBZuj8OV1W0LzNiTTieAsnRSF3G4Ykur6Rq/pGojKA8sWcLbz7QdZkbGbwedPQN7R9d5hE5ALcn3gOatkUz0RlWO+kw2WEonl+acJ9sZNc0NrJD21j+wXKitJEh+V6imQHgYxdKqbjkTLWwtbPGkO7QIq9QXws8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-authentication-warning:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=Z6ptiFSN08CAUXakZj6W1Rd2XNIrDn8VxQf/KJtBuLAkuMceok3SkAKyWBLxa3QTdyHVXoI62K0IolUy969xvAWiyhswIk2gIqePOOBxOnGQ2EYmLU3oZbZ8G454xC0ejq9vUhhGQtG2WtE6MPrIT1YDZe04edr+lQqmgZM+390= Received: by 10.86.60.7 with SMTP id i7mr4784580fga.67.1198972305943; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from darklight.org.ru ( [194.186.18.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a37sm15162388fkc.3.2007.12.29.15.51.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from darklight.org.ru (smmsp@darklight.org.ru [127.0.0.1]) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBTNpTlv007367; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:51:37 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: (from yuri@localhost) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBTMXCrm006980; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:33:12 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: darklight.org.ru: yuri set sender to yuri.pankov@gmail.com using -f Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:33:12 +0300 From: Yuri Pankov To: Andrew Falanga Message-ID: <20071229223312.GA96302@darklight.org.ru> References: <200712291336.58690.af300wsm@gmail.com> <4776B33A.4050105@infracaninophile.co.uk> <200712291524.42466.af300wsm@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712291524.42466.af300wsm@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Having problems with SMTP authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:17:17 -0000 On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 03:24:42PM -0700, Andrew Falanga wrote: > On Saturday 29 December 2007 13:51:06 Matthew Seaman wrote: > > Andrew Falanga wrote: > > > dnl set SASL options > > > TRUST_AUTH_MECH(`GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > > > define(`confAUTH_MECHANISMS', `GSSAPI DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 LOGIN')dnl > > > > > > But when I ask my e-mail client to "check what the server supports", the > > > returned list is only, GSSAPI, DIGEST-MD5 and CRAM-MD5. Why is LOGIN not > > > listed when it's included in this macro file? Is there anything missing > > > from this section of the handbook that I've missed? > > > > LOGIN will only be enabled over an encrypted connection. All you need > > to do to enable the stock sendmail to support STARTTLS is tell it to > > use one or more SSL certs. Adding something like this to > > /etc/mail/`hostname`.mc is how to do that: > > this seems to imply you want me to create a file named .mc. The > instructions I followed in the handbook also mentioned that, "Many > administrators choose to use the output from hostname(1) as the .mc file for > uniqueness." Do I have to make this new file, paste into it all the stuff > in "freebsd.mc" and then add these lines too? > Just run `make` in /etc/mail, it will create `hostname`.mc for you, edit it, and run `make all install restart` (targets are described in /etc/mail/Makefile). > > > > dnl > > dnl TLS stuff > > dnl > > define(`CERT_DIR', `MAIL_SETTINGS_DIR`'certs')dnl > > define(`confCACERT_PATH', `CERT_DIR')dnl > > define(`confCACERT', `CERT_DIR/cacert.pem')dnl > > define(`confSERVER_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl > > define(`confSERVER_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl > > define(`confCLIENT_CERT', `CERT_DIR/cert.pem')dnl > > define(`confCLIENT_KEY', `CERT_DIR/key.pem')dnl > > > > Which means you'ld put the PEM encoded cacert, key and cert into > > /etc/mail/cacert.pem, /etc/mail/key.pem and /etc/mail/key.cert > > respectively. To generate all of those, there are some pithy > > instructions here: > > > > http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/other/cagreg.html > > Thanks for all this. > > Andy > > > > > When submitting a new message, most mail clients will automatically > > do STARTTLS if it's available. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matthew HTH, Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 00:19:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4081A16A468 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:19:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED8913C44B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:19:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 16so2962294fgg.35 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:19:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:x-authentication-warning:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=iYzOOQsTnKytqEqS4hewK4kRU9qcKYku8FqKbc7yAcQ=; b=T2QF16CuBGcs7li/MkfagszSnm1t6HEXB9L6H9ExMyrpuUyBg2y7Ett1BFTLim3PUzAGYD2ILy/SjNpDOm8Cy/bDptJTy2/xSUT5721Cz8wQKX4zZ8bt+E6YJEZOPDGhyED0TlIpFaWCOoBANGbg/U5qk4CP47PipMYkPWbwcjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-authentication-warning:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=eI+7XgGz/gjJ4yYYtXcd54amfHOVZJIHz88vTJBYJMhjLN6ZHWJRnx++jAc4kFZ5MvDNH0vDbOqSzOWbEAEIL6okMXj6spMnh6XETWtuPeuFzay5kctT4gnhG5ANHzKRpkKW53TOgC1FRv8uldT+uDqJBrItv2HkIULzBmkkmr0= Received: by 10.86.86.12 with SMTP id j12mr10555880fgb.50.1198972301781; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:51:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from darklight.org.ru ( [194.186.18.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a37sm15162388fkc.3.2007.12.29.15.51.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from darklight.org.ru (smmsp@darklight.org.ru [127.0.0.1]) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBTNpTlt007367; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:51:29 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) Received: (from yuri@localhost) by darklight.org.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBTNFqWZ007151; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:15:52 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from yuri.pankov@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: darklight.org.ru: yuri set sender to yuri.pankov@gmail.com using -f Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:15:52 +0300 From: Yuri Pankov To: Joey Mingrone Message-ID: <20071229231552.GB96302@darklight.org.ru> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: font problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:19:07 -0000 On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 06:29:55PM -0400, Joey Mingrone wrote: > Over the holidays I decided to upgrade my ports after several months > and everything went well except some fonts seems to be messed up. > Sorry, I'm not really sure how to explain this better. Here is a > screenshot of gkrellm: http://jrm.ath.cx/misc/messed_up_fonts.png > > As you can see, the fonts are so large they overlap. I didn't change > any of my configuration files (xorg.conf, ~/fonts.conf, ~/.gtkrc-2.0, > etc). The problem seems to be isolated to gtk applications. Here is > the output from /var/log/xorg.log: http://jrm.ath.cx/misc/Xorg.0.log > > It seems as though the usual fonts cannot be rendered so some sort of > defaults are being used. Thanks for any suggestions. > > Joey Hmm, (==) RADEON(0): DPI set to (75, 75) was it always 75? (I see a recent update to xf86-video-ati port). Anyway, try forcing X to use 96, ie, run it as: X -dpi 96 (it would be ":0 local /usr/local/bin/X -dpi 96 :0" in /usr/local/lib/X11/xdm/Xservers for xdm). HTH, Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 00:41:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A28316A420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:41:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5F913C45A; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:41:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4776E945.309@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:41:41 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vittorio References: <200712292322.46822.vdemart1@tin.it> In-Reply-To: <200712292322.46822.vdemart1@tin.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rebuilding /var/db/pkg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:41:43 -0000 vittorio wrote: > I committed a crime! While upgrading the ports under the newly installed > RELENG_7 (beta4) with "portupgrade -arRk" I **deleted ** the > directory /var/db/pkg. > > Is there any way to rebuild it from scratch? > > Ciao > Vittorio Nope, that was the only copy. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 01:11:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6605916A419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:11:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2FA13C457 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 29 Dec 2007 20:11:28 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id OFK02167; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 29 Dec 2007 20:10:26 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18294.61503.665255.18241@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:11:27 -0500 To: vittorio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4776E945.309@FreeBSD.org> References: <200712292322.46822.vdemart1@tin.it> <4776E945.309@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: Subject: Re: Rebuilding /var/db/pkg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:11:30 -0000 Kris Kennaway writes: > > I committed a crime! While upgrading the ports under the newly > > installed RELENG_7 (beta4) with "portupgrade -arRk" I **deleted** > > the directory /var/db/pkg. > > > > Is there any way to rebuild it from scratch? > > Nope, that was the only copy. Assuming there are no backups, he will have to rebuild "from scratch". I see two approaches: I) Find complex leaf programs, like FireFox or OpenOffice. Build the port; this will drag in all the dependencies. II) a) Look in /usr/ports/distfiles, where all the distribution tarballs live. b) Prune the resulting list, so you're only trying to build one of any given port. c) Map the tarball name to the port. A discussion of how to do this happened within the last year on either questions@ or ports@, and may contain usable scripts. d) Lay in a good supply of your favorite caffeinated beverage, and set to work. In either case, design and implement a backup method. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 02:09:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837D916A419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: from gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au (gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au [202.177.214.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2561213C43E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: from socata.scoastnet.com.au (socata.iaindooley.com [202.167.244.104]) by gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au (8.13.3/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBU1Tdct073016 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:29:39 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: by socata.scoastnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5CFBB22B13; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:29:35 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socata.scoastnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFF922AA6 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:29:35 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:29:35 +1100 (EST) From: Iain Dooley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: kernel panic 6.2-RELEASE SMP dual quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:09:24 -0000 hi all, uname -a FreeBSD HOSTNAME 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 running on dual quad core intel xeons with 4gb ram. my server has been rebooting quite a bit and stopped responding today. i found this on the console: Fatal trap: 12 page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 5; apic id = 05 fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc0880472 stack pointer = 0x28:0xe6ea9c8c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 12 (idle: cpu5) trap number = 12 panic: page fault cpuid = 5 uptime 24m41s cannot dump. no dump device specified i've configured the dump device and will follow the kernel debugging details in the handbook if it happens again but i thought i'd write in now in case the cause of the problem jumped out at anyone. i've run mprime for 24 hours, and memtest for 3 passes, and a script i wrote which just exhausts ram and CPU, then backs off and does it again which have been running for 24 hours. i've also just started running this: http://www.holm.cc/stress/ i noticed that the same "fatal trap 12" appeared during stress tests as listed here: http://people.freebsd.org/~pho/stress/log/cons224.html any help, guidance or information would be much appreciated. cheers iain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 02:22:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8688B16A46B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D091613C4E3; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <477700E8.3050100@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:22:32 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Iain Dooley References: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel panic 6.2-RELEASE SMP dual quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:22:34 -0000 Iain Dooley wrote: > hi all, > > uname -a > FreeBSD HOSTNAME 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 > UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 > > running on dual quad core intel xeons with 4gb ram. > > my server has been rebooting quite a bit and stopped responding today. i > found this on the console: > > Fatal trap: 12 page fault while in kernel mode > cpuid = 5; apic id = 05 > fault virtual address = 0x0 > fault code = supervisor write, page not present > instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc0880472 > stack pointer = 0x28:0xe6ea9c8c > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 > current process = 12 (idle: cpu5) > trap number = 12 > panic: page fault > cpuid = 5 > uptime 24m41s > cannot dump. no dump device specified > > i've configured the dump device and will follow the kernel debugging > details in the handbook if it happens again but i thought i'd write in > now in case the cause of the problem jumped out at anyone. > > i've run mprime for 24 hours, and memtest for 3 passes, and a script i > wrote which just exhausts ram and CPU, then backs off and does it again > which have been running for 24 hours. > > i've also just started running this: > > http://www.holm.cc/stress/ > > i noticed that the same "fatal trap 12" appeared during stress tests as > listed here: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~pho/stress/log/cons224.html > > any help, guidance or information would be much appreciated. What you have so far is close to meaningless. The "fault virtual address = 0x0" means little more than "somewhere in the kernel there was a null pointer dereference". The fact that it was the idle process is suspicious though, it suggests that hardware failure is a high probability. Please follow up with the backtrace if you want to pursue this further. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 04:21:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E138916A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joey@mingrone.org) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5F413C4CC for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:21:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joey@mingrone.org) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so6343428fka.11 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:21:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.167.12 with SMTP id p12mr13550018hue.20.1198986925667; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.123.14 with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:55:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:55:25 -0400 From: "Joey Mingrone" To: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071229231552.GB96302@darklight.org.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071229231552.GB96302@darklight.org.ru> Cc: Yuri Pankov Subject: Re: font problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:21:58 -0000 On 12/29/07, Yuri Pankov wrote: > Hmm, > (==) RADEON(0): DPI set to (75, 75) > was it always 75? (I see a recent update to xf86-video-ati port). > Anyway, try forcing X to use 96, ie, run it as: > X -dpi 96 Thanks for the tip. ..ran: startx -- -dpi 96 and the log showed the change, and the fonts looked crisper, but the problem with the large overlapping fonts persisted. Any other suggestions or thoughts about where I should continue my search? Thanks, Joey From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 05:10:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDFE16A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B17913C44B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:10:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@nyi.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11423508BE for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:10:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99stQpaYo6kJ for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:10:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B8437508B1; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:10:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20071230051001.B8437508B1@nyi.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:10:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2007-12-09 - 2007-12-29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:10:06 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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IMAP allows many. http://freebsddiary.org/dovecot.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 05:18:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB9F16A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nate@root.org) Received: from root.org (root.org [67.118.192.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C0C13C461 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:18:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nate@root.org) Received: (qmail 17911 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 04:51:38 -0000 Received: from adsl-71-141-123-117.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.1.77?) (nate-mail@71.141.123.117) by root.org with ESMTPA; 30 Dec 2007 04:51:38 -0000 Message-ID: <477723D3.90002@root.org> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:51:31 -0800 From: Nate Lawson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mikhail T." References: <200712291624.lBTGOiI1002329@aldan.algebra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712291624.lBTGOiI1002329@aldan.algebra.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: acpi@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how to suspend/wake-up a FreeBSD machine? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:18:17 -0000 Mikhail T. wrote: > Hello! > > I managed to suspend some of my computers a few times (using > either ``zzz'' or ``acpiconf -s 1''), but I could never successfully > wake the system up after this, requiring a full reboot. > > What's the proper procedure? I tried the power-button (no effect) and > hitting random keyboard keys (no effect). How is it supposed to work? > > Thanks! The power button or lid is the most common way to wake. Since suspend/resume support needs debugging on many machines, it may not work for you. -- Nate From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 05:42:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FB816A419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: from gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au (gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au [202.177.214.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F4913C45B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: from socata.scoastnet.com.au (socata.iaindooley.com [202.167.244.104]) by gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au (8.13.3/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBU5fwvM076287; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:41:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: by socata.scoastnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6827C22B16; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:27:11 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socata.scoastnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6706A22B15; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:27:11 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:27:11 +1100 (EST) From: Iain Dooley To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <477700E8.3050100@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: <20071230132455.T2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> References: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> <477700E8.3050100@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel panic 6.2-RELEASE SMP dual quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:42:01 -0000 >> uname -a >> FreeBSD HOSTNAME 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 >> UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 >> >> running on dual quad core intel xeons with 4gb ram. >> >> my server has been rebooting quite a bit and stopped responding today. i >> found this on the console: >> >> Fatal trap: 12 page fault while in kernel mode >> cpuid = 5; apic id = 05 >> fault virtual address = 0x0 >> fault code = supervisor write, page not present >> instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc0880472 >> stack pointer = 0x28:0xe6ea9c8c >> code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b >> = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 >> processor eflags = resume, IOPL = 0 >> current process = 12 (idle: cpu5) >> trap number = 12 >> panic: page fault >> cpuid = 5 >> uptime 24m41s >> cannot dump. no dump device specified >> >> i've configured the dump device and will follow the kernel debugging >> details in the handbook if it happens again but i thought i'd write in now >> in case the cause of the problem jumped out at anyone. >> >> i've run mprime for 24 hours, and memtest for 3 passes, and a script i >> wrote which just exhausts ram and CPU, then backs off and does it again >> which have been running for 24 hours. >> >> i've also just started running this: >> >> http://www.holm.cc/stress/ >> >> i noticed that the same "fatal trap 12" appeared during stress tests as >> listed here: >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~pho/stress/log/cons224.html >> >> any help, guidance or information would be much appreciated. > > What you have so far is close to meaningless. The "fault virtual address = > 0x0" means little more than "somewhere in the kernel there was a null pointer > dereference". The fact that it was the idle process is suspicious though, it > suggests that hardware failure is a high probability. Please follow up with > the backtrace if you want to pursue this further. I thought that dodgy ram was the culprit. I've run memtest86 on three passes with no errrors reported although I've also read numerous reports on the net of memtest86 not being very effective. can you suggest a good method of stress testing ram? this is a new machine and still under warranty so if it's a ram issue I can easily just get it replaced. Cheers, Iain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 05:43:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B550916A473 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA5B13C47E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:43:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J8qxN-0004Y9-Gx for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:43:29 +0000 Received: from 78-1-83-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.83.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:43:29 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-83-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:43:29 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:43:13 +0100 Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig32D2C7DD6B4557B1A4B8E591" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-83-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Sender: news Subject: Re: kernel panic 6.2-RELEASE SMP dual quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:43:39 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig32D2C7DD6B4557B1A4B8E591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Iain Dooley wrote: > hi all, >=20 > uname -a > FreeBSD HOSTNAME 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:3= 0 > UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 >=20 > running on dual quad core intel xeons with 4gb ram. Are you using PAE? (probably not if this is the generic SMP configuration= ). > Fatal trap: 12 page fault while in kernel mode This only means an equivalent of "segmentation fault" for user-mode programs. The actual problem can be anything. > current process =3D 12 (idle: cpu5) This is important. The "idle" process does literary nothing and is highly unlikely to contain a bug. Does this mean that the problem only appears when the system is idle? > i've run mprime for 24 hours, and memtest for 3 passes, and a script i > wrote which just exhausts ram and CPU, then backs off and does it again= > which have been running for 24 hours. Do your tests stress multiple CPUs? If not, this may be something to try. Also try disabling CPUs to see if it makes any difference. By the way, you are likely not to get any performance benefits (and some performance regressions are likely) with this number of CPUs on FreeBSD 6.2, except if you intend to do CPU-intensive tasks (like scientific caluclations). If you can, try the latest release candidate of 7.0. --------------enig32D2C7DD6B4557B1A4B8E591 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHdy/3ldnAQVacBcgRAsdeAKDS6rFWOkEkIEsyc9t6KP2ax0DisACfcNsM LUUq2q7rkQOeoY33k7eqD9U= =xrql -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig32D2C7DD6B4557B1A4B8E591-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 05:51:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1819216A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:51:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: from gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au (gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au [202.177.214.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1F113C45A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: from socata.scoastnet.com.au (socata.iaindooley.com [202.167.244.104]) by gulfstream.scoastnet.com.au (8.13.3/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBU5pPnr079072; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:51:25 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iain@workingsoftware.com.au) Received: by socata.scoastnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1846422B13; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:50:30 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by socata.scoastnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1736222AA6; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:50:30 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:50:30 +1100 (EST) From: Iain Dooley To: Ivan Voras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071230164430.A2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> References: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel panic 6.2-RELEASE SMP dual quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:51:27 -0000 hi ivan, >> uname -a >> FreeBSD HOSTNAME 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #0: Fri Jan 12 11:05:30 >> UTC 2007 root@dessler.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP i386 >> >> running on dual quad core intel xeons with 4gb ram. > > Are you using PAE? (probably not if this is the generic SMP configuration). no, i checked and i'm not using PAE. >> current process = 12 (idle: cpu5) > > This is important. The "idle" process does literary nothing and is > highly unlikely to contain a bug. > > Does this mean that the problem only appears when the system is idle? hmm maybe i should leave the system idle and see if it crashes again :) i've been running an application which just loads up RAM with lots of processes keeping at least 32 processes running at all times. each script is killed when it uses too much space. the machine hasn't crashed again for like 2 days. i'm going away so i might leave it idle for that time and see if it crashes again. i've got a dump device setup this time which will give me more information to send into the list. > By the way, you are likely not to get any performance benefits (and some > performance regressions are likely) with this number of CPUs on FreeBSD > 6.2, except if you intend to do CPU-intensive tasks (like scientific > caluclations). If you can, try the latest release candidate of 7.0. i'm just running a web application on it. it's a total pain though. i should have just bought a late model second hand p4 or something rather than a state of the art machine. i'm too out of touch with modern hardware to have known what i was getting myself into. live and learn i guess. cheers iain From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 06:36:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1A3C16A421 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7662A13C4CC for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:36:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J8rmW-0005gX-VS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:36:20 +0000 Received: from 78-1-83-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.83.158]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:36:20 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-83-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:36:20 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:36:09 +0100 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <20071230122718.D2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> <20071230164430.A2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9D3A51B349463EFD80A3650F" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-83-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: <20071230164430.A2071@socata.scoastnet.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Sender: news Subject: Re: kernel panic 6.2-RELEASE SMP dual quad core X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:36:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9D3A51B349463EFD80A3650F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Iain Dooley wrote: > i'm just running a web application on it. it's a total pain though. i > should have just bought a late model second hand p4 or something rather= > than a state of the art machine. i'm too out of touch with modern > hardware to have known what i was getting myself into. live and learn i= > guess. Quad core Xeons are not exactly unusual or significantly different nowadays. I and many other people have been running them with FreeBSD without problems almost since they were made. --------------enig9D3A51B349463EFD80A3650F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHdzxaldnAQVacBcgRAnKCAJ43MOsaCh08jnXQiNcN+z8pM/yUhQCgicWS Grg5GJjUvcZnxItl4UKxC4M= =o7nL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9D3A51B349463EFD80A3650F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 06:47:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B721316A421 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chriskot@quietwind.net) Received: from servy.quietwind.net (servy.quietwind.net [71.39.149.33]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637A313C447 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chriskot@quietwind.net) Received: from [192.65.171.33] (worker.quietwind.net [192.65.171.33]) by servy.quietwind.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBU6XGZU072708 for ; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chriskot@quietwind.net) From: Chris Kottaridis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:32:09 -0700 Message-Id: <1198996329.4178.7.camel@worker.quietwind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 (2.12.2-2.fc8) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Imap authentication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: chriskot@quietwind.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:47:49 -0000 I have been using pop to download email messages. I'd like to switch to imap. My mail server is running FreeBSD 5.3 The imap executable is in /usr/local/libexec and inetd.conf is setup right. I can telnet to port 143 I am talking to the imapd daemon. However, I can't seem to get logged in. It seems to not like the username and password I provide. I am providing the username and password that will work to login interactively to the server. I assume there is a different authentication method besides the standard password file, but as yet I haven't been able to find what that might be. Clearly I am missing something here. Any pointers to how to set up imap accounts on the mail server would be appreciated. Thanks Chris Kottaridis (chriskot@quietwind.net) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 11:07:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C84A16A421; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from solow.pil.dk (relay.pil.dk [195.41.47.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A78913C455; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tirith.brixandersen.dk (0x55534f5f.adsl.cybercity.dk [85.83.79.95]) by solow.pil.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82DED1CC0DB; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:51:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by tirith.brixandersen.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B162F11436; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:51:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:51:41 +0100 From: Henrik Brix Andersen To: "Mikhail T." Message-ID: <20071230105141.GA5825@tirith.brixandersen.dk> References: <200712291624.lBTGOiI1002329@aldan.algebra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712291624.lBTGOiI1002329@aldan.algebra.com> X-PGP-Key: http://www.brixandersen.dk/files/HenrikBrixAndersen.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: acpi@FreeBSD.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: how to suspend/wake-up a FreeBSD machine? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:07:27 -0000 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 11:24:44AM -0500, Mikhail T. wrote: > I managed to suspend some of my computers a few times (using > either ``zzz'' or ``acpiconf -s 1''), but I could never successfully > wake the system up after this, requiring a full reboot. >=20 > What's the proper procedure? I tried the power-button (no effect) and > hitting random keyboard keys (no effect). How is it supposed to work? That depends largely on the hardware - on e.g. ThinkPads you need to press the 'Fn' button to wake up the laptop after sleep. Brix --=20 Henrik Brix Andersen --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) Comment: GnuPG signed iD8DBQFHd3g9v+Q4flTiePgRAuuMAKCxVbMh8KVlAwh27RtIIXj1X6L/MACffU5C LCltD8DG/MsXfm0okAw7Q9s= =vXjj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 11:17:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0DD16A420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:17:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E92213C448 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from usleepless@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7257906waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:17:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=l1dGBebjObQpXPVBtI32WozV1RuZZ/+o9yu0LnwmAgI=; b=oPZb3utIL7LdtvgysRDBGhnRtzHTsH0BSwDAOezxGur++YO8p8PPoqFpZ4o2++LQXN8aHFbdAf8ecng/3s0fGKsfpQ6gUt8oLEp1d9ieC+SOqCGFGLcePYssKCxaiBVE8ipWwQODqlZMOM9GcZbuJEqVwwv0R2VGuAJcOUEiscE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TiWLW5pUN3/jEVNamSWDdxshhyrIEy0K9PkApsCvpBXCRRqu8xo5vXfq5FXqSHg+pRz2UTvkf4u01tWqc2+GeLqE/EjdHpDnknx809O/+/4D65Xzce9qeLxQkqSXftT9WEF2OLPvhHAUPIZsc2VawjsNmN94D/gSTmdzVzR5jV0= Received: by 10.143.49.2 with SMTP id b2mr3429857wfk.205.1199013453596; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:17:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.125.15 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:17:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:17:33 +0100 From: usleepless@gmail.com To: "Sergio Lenzi" In-Reply-To: <1198875983.1311.11.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1198875983.1311.11.camel@localhost> Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ekiga runs but hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:17:34 -0000 Sergio, On Dec 28, 2007 10:06 PM, Sergio Lenzi wrote: > > > Em Sex, 2007-12-28 =E0s 12:17 +0100, usleepless@gmail.com escreveu: > > Hello All, > > is anyone using ekiga? ekiga runs and connects to 500@ekiga.net ( test > number ). > > but when i hang up, or change volume using the ekiga-controls, the UI > freezes. > > #FreeBSD host 7.0-BETA2 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 #4 > > i would love to hear succes or failures. > > regards, > > usleep > > it happens with me too. the problem is in the > module sound-oss in the pwlib > the module that deals with oss (the freebsd sound system...) > tries to resample the stream and than loops... consuming all the cpu. > > the folowing patch solves the problem for me.... > name this file to patch-oss and put it in /usr/ports/devel/pwlib/files > and than... cd /usr/ports/devel/pwlib > make clean deinstall package that worked for me! thank you very much. have you submitted a PR for this? ( if not, i probably will do ) thanks, usleep From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 11:50:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1493A16A420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.movaqar@adempiere.org) Received: from kedah.mschosting.com (kedah.mschosting.com [202.75.42.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF8E13C458 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:50:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.movaqar@adempiere.org) Received: from [85.15.32.18] (port=63717 helo=movaqar) by kedah.mschosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J8wgN-0008AI-SZ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:50:21 +0800 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:18:13 +0330 From: Bahman Movaqar To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Message-ID: <20071230151813.66d249bd@movaqar> In-Reply-To: References: <20071226142208.6962fcf6@movaqar> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/FbfshiCypUk..gZEr5Aps+O"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - kedah.mschosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - adempiere.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Proliant Series X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:50:30 -0000 --Sig_/FbfshiCypUk..gZEr5Aps+O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-12-28 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >=20 > We run FreeBSD64 AMD build on HP DL320 G5 and it works great. >=20 > But we use the embedded SATA chip on the MB, not the HP SmartArray > card. I'm interested in your experiences with the SmartArray card. >=20 > >=20 > > Does anybody have some experience with HP Proliant DL380 G5? Is it > > compatible with FreeBSD (in particular 6.2)? Following is the > > hardware configuration: > > CPU: Intel Xeon 5160 (2 GHz, FSB 1333) > > RAM: HP 4GM PC2-5300 DDR2 > > HDD: 2 x 72GB 3G SAS (15K) > > Storage Ctrlr: HP Smart Array P400/256 > > NIC: Broadcom 5721 PCI-Express > >=20 The server will arrive in a week or two. Will update about any possible difficulties/successes. --=20 Bahman Movaqar PGP KeyID: 0x0CE28F5C (keyserver2.pgp.com) Don't you know then, my son, how little wisdom rules the world? -Marcus Aurelius --Sig_/FbfshiCypUk..gZEr5Aps+O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHd4V9piYSTAzij1wRAqtaAJ92HQLvXcp1s8HJ9/Kt4qHFhmCR2gCeL+3Y HJT5jaC0SDWm1ncYhBj+ooc= =GBXT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/FbfshiCypUk..gZEr5Aps+O-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 14:04:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A436816A41A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.240]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6148413C447 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so3407733hsj.11 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:04:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=/T2a06UsOTd74CzyNL3ci97Vf+QuoK0GsrxSWbH+nU4=; b=igZL91xtjFRqdiCwvVwsByG3zKKNZ+j9SMJrAd8Aq9zOo2efcIdrxy4qy8SX+hcqGL+FNR7WMUdPwmCx5+dTx0yQe8QmiHStkBUbzmj+hlOtQB3/Msnl61kMZ8Rd7wkCiC9+T7CNQkrXJIoYwVg+sJdZ/sZvPHqnwufWbiU7enw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ih6aQTwwe7iJYVXg2ZQDJLWLl8qWBsK3oOBLEJLIODaUdnwU5z6cOMBnbDbJtXOyGsXaOPKJpzwenu0FzKfxTcfooVlQSlcfw6iLm/2VJLJGSML/LU9642m6IMhPmVGsogNJOibpYzuGjj4PCP9ypEOqvSoJ8tZ6niOVSlz2SBo= Received: by 10.151.12.1 with SMTP id p1mr3036329ybi.14.1199021809866; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:36:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.57.11 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:36:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3120c9e30712300536j6cb10e33rb0dc55834a74e4d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:06:49 +0530 From: "=?UTF-8?B?4KSF4KSo4KWB4KScIA==?=" To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:04:23 -0000 Hello , I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I get an error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation regards Anuj Singh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 14:35:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB39E16A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from gaia.nimnet.asn.au (nimbin.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.45.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B398813C45A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (smithi@localhost) by gaia.nimnet.asn.au (8.8.8/8.8.8R1.5) with SMTP id BAA23095; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:34:59 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:34:58 +1100 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: "W. D." In-Reply-To: <200712292229.JAA27640@gaia.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IPFW: Blocking me out. How to debug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:35:14 -0000 On Sat, 29 Dec 2007, W. D. wrote: > At 08:49 12/22/2007, Ian Smith wrote: > >Warning: overlong message. > > > > > >W. D. wrote: [.. slashing mercilessly ..] > >Ok, so your nameserver will be making upstream requests too, and you'll > >need to do TCP 53 traffic with your secondary nameserver/s as well as > >UDP 53 traffic with upstream nameservers, up to the root unless you're > >only using specified upstream forwarders. Given that you're checking TCP > >setup, allowing established, then maybe: > > > > allow udp from me to any 53 out keep-state # my requests > > allow udp from any to me 53 in keep-state # serve outside requests > > allow tcp from me to $secondaries 53 setup # zone transfers out > > allow tcp from $secondaries to me 53 setup # zone transfers in > > What is $secondaries? An example of why I prefer scripted rulesets :) Here, a list of one or more secondary nameservers that need to do axfrs to refresh domain/s for which you are the primary/master, and any domains you are secondary for. > >though you'll want to protect named with ACLs for xfers as well. > > "ACLs"? What are those? Access Control Lists. See named.conf(5) and the section in the BIND 9 Administrator Reference Manual which you'll most likely want to refer to. If you installed the doc distribution (see below) then the full cross-referenced HTML version is at /usr/share/doc/bind9/arm - I usually symlink both /usr/share/doc and /usr/local/share/doc into webspace. > >access to only your LAN. Will this webserver later have a public IP > >address, or run behind NAT with port forwarding? > > Public IP. So will your LAN also have access to services on this machine? ie will this box have an address on your LAN also? alias on the same interface? > > > > > >> # FTP: > > > > > >> add allow tcp from any to any ftp in setup > > > > > >> add allow tcp from any to any ftp\-data in setup > > > > > >> add allow tcp from any ftp\-data to any setup out > > > > > >Mmm, I prefer using and enforcing FTP passive mode, but YMMV. > > > > > > How would I do that? This guy doesn't think it's even > > > possible: > > > http://tinyurl.com/2z6ynr > > > >Mmm, ok. Passive mode needs allowing connections to this port range > > net.inet.ip.portrange.hifirst: 49152 > > net.inet.ip.portrange.hilast: 65535 > >which is adjustable, but I'm unsure of my ground regarding ftp - pass. > > How would I write this as a rule? I did try to pass .. # ipfw add allow tcp from any to me 49152-65535 in setup but that's only safe if you'll run no other services in that range. Below in your new ruleset you specify as a range: > # FTP Passive (Ports 10000-65000): > add allow tcp from me to any 10000-65000 in setup but I think you mean 'any to me'?, and the range is unnecesarily larger than ftpd uses, ie .hifirst to .hilast and you can probably limit your range further - I'm unsure how hard passive mode ftpd hunts for free ports to bind to, or what. Maybe someone else can help out here .. ? > > > Am using this link, since "man ipfw" doesn't work on 6.2. (I dare > > > someone to explain to me how to get it to work): > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ipfw&sektion=8 > > > >That's weird. Does man work for others in section 8, eg man mount ? > > Nope. How to get working? (re)install the manpages and doc distributions from the distribution CD, or by FTP or whatever you used or want to use. You can use sysinstall / configure / distributions, select manpages and doc, select media when asked, visit options if you need to set anything else, then install. Don't go _anywhere near_ partitioning or labelling disks or mess with anything else, even for a peek, in my experience. > Here is my latest /etc/ipfw.rules. Please critique: > > # Filename: ipfw.rules > # Description: ipfw firewall ruleset > # Locattion: /etc/ipfw.rules > # Date: 2007 Dec 29 > > # By default, everything is denied access. You > # need to specifically allow something for it > # to work. > > # Debugging tools: > # > # Check the syntax of the rules file: > # ipfw -n /etc/ipfw.rules > # > # Stop, then restart ipfw: > # ipfw disable firewall; /etc/rc.d/ipfw start Or '/etc/rc.d/ipfw stop; /etc/rc.d/ipfw start' which includes the dis/enabling. '/etc/rc.d/ipfw restart' probably works too, modulo caveats in ipfw(8) about doing these sorts of things remotely. > # List firewall hits: > # ipfw -a -S -N -t list -S is overkill/noise unless actually using sets. -N can be slow if any addresses prove hard to resolve, but I guess that info may be useful :) > # Zero out hits counter: > # ifpw zero I'd never use this command without including rule number/s, but then I use counters for um, accounting. Fine while testing .. > # View the log: > # tail -f /var/log/ipfw/ipfw.log Study/search logs: less -S /var/log/ipfw/ipfw.log* > # Allow anything on the local loopback: > add allow all from any to any via lo0 > > # Disallow Spoofers: ========================= > # For more info, see: > # RFC3330 > # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network > # > # "This" Network: > add deny log ip from any to 0.0.0.0/8 in > add deny log ip from 0.0.0.0/8 to any in > > # IANA Reserved: > add deny log ip from any to 1.0.0.0/8 in > add deny log ip from 1.0.0.0/8 to any in > > # IANA Reserved: > add deny log ip from any to 2.0.0.0/8 in > add deny log ip from 2.0.0.0/8 to any in > > # Class A Private Network: > add deny log ip from any to 10.0.0.0/8 in > add deny log ip from 10.0.0.0/8 to any in > > # Localhost: > add deny log ip from any to 127.0.0.0/8 in > add deny log ip from 127.0.0.0/8 to any in > > # Link Local/Auto-Config: > add deny log ip from any to 169.254.0.0/16 in > add deny log ip from 169.254.0.0/16 to any in > > # Class B Private Network: > add deny log ip from any to 172.16.0.0/12 in > add deny log ip from 172.16.0.0/12 to any in > > # TEST-NET/Examples: > add deny log ip from any to 192.0.2.0/24 in > add deny log ip from 192.0.2.0/24 to any in > > # Class C Private Network: > add deny log ip from any to 192.168.0.0/16 in > add deny log ip from 192.168.0.0/16 to any in > > # IPV6to4 relay anycast addresses: > add deny log ip from any to 192.88.99.0/24 in > add deny log ip from 192.88.99.0/24 to any in > > # Interconnect Benchmarks: > add deny log ip from any to 198.18.0.0/15 in > add deny log ip from 198.18.0.0/15 to any in > > # Multicast: > add deny log ip from any to 224.0.0.0/3 in > add deny log ip from 224.0.0.0/3 to any in > > # Class E Reserved: > add deny log ip from any to 240.0.0.0/4 in > add deny log ip from 240.0.0.0/4 to any in > > # Spoofers =================================== Every one of those, except of course any RFC1918 net like 192.168/16 you may be serving on the LAN (?) that you need to allow, you can drop the 'in' from, so they work to stop _outbound_ spoofing by/from your system also. The spoofing section in /etc/rc.firewall 'simple' works for me. > # Initialize the system to keep track of states: > add check-state > # ============================================ > # Allow already established connections. These > # connections are allowed by the subsequent > # rules listed below this one. > add allow tcp from any to me in established > add allow tcp from me to any out established > # ============================================ > > # Deny fragmented packets: =================== > add deny log ip from any to any frag > # ============================================ > > # ICMP - Pings: ============================== > # Count inbound pings (8 = Echo Request) > add count icmp from any to any icmptypes 8 in > > # Allow pings, ping replies, and host unreach: > # 0 = Echo Reply > # 3 = Destination Unreachable > # 8 = Echo Request > # 11 = Time-to-Live exceeded (for traceroute) > add allow icmp from any to any icmptypes 0,8,3,11 > # ICMP ======================================= > > # Allow UDP traceroutes: ===================== > add allow udp from any to any 33434-34458 in > add allow udp from any 33434-34458 to any out > # ============================================ > > # DNS (Port 53): ============================ > # add allow udp from any to any domain out > # add allow udp from any domain to any in > > # My DNS requests > add allow udp from me to any 53 out keep-state > > # Serve outside DNS requests > add allow udp from any to me 53 in keep-state > > # DNS Zone transfers out > # ??? add allow tcp from me to $secondaries 53 setup > > # DNS Zone transfers in > # ??? add allow tcp from $secondaries to me 53 setup > # DNS ======================================== As discussed above. > # SSH (Port 22) ============================== > # Note that /etc/hosts.allow has restrictions > # on which IP addresses are allowed. > # > add allow tcp from any to me ssh in setup > add allow tcp from me to any ssh in setup > # SSH ======================================== Drop the 'in' from the second one (or use 'out'). It's not needed on the first either, now that you're specifying direction and preventing spoofing, you can let these sort of rules work on either or both passes. > # HTTP: ====================================== > # HTTP (Port 80): > add allow tcp from any to me http in setup > add allow tcp from me to any http in setup As the previous. > # HTTPS (Port 443): > add allow tcp from any to me https in setup > > # HTTPS for Plesk Server Administrator (Port 8443): > add allow tcp from any to me dst-port 8443 in setup > # HTTP = ====================================== > > # MAIL: ====================================== > # POP3 (Port 110) > add allow tcp from any to me pop3 in setup > > # POP3S (Port 995) > add allow tcp from any to me pop3s in setup > > # SMTP (Port 25): > add allow tcp from any to me smtp in setup Won't you need 'me to any smtp out setup' too? > # SMTPS (Port 465): > add allow tcp from any to me smtps in setup > > # IMAP (Port 143): > add allow tcp from any to me imap in setup > > # IMAPS (Port 993): > add allow tcp from any to me imaps in setup > # MAIL ======================================= > > > # FTP (Port 21): ============================= > add allow tcp from any to me ftp in setup > add allow tcp from me to any ftp in setup second one, should be out, or both (ie omitted) as the others above? > # FTP Data (Port 20): > add allow tcp from any to me ftp\-data in setup > add allow tcp from any ftp\-data to me setup out > > # FTP Passive (Ports 10000-65000): > add allow tcp from me to any 10000-65000 in setup > > # FTPS (Port 990): > add allow tcp from any to me ftps in setup > add allow tcp from me to any ftps in setup > > # FTP ======================================== second one, out? > # Allow NTP in and out to Navobs.WUstl.edu: > add allow udp from me ntp to 128.252.19.1 ntp out > add allow udp from 128.252.19.1 ntp to me ntp in > # NTP ======================================== > > # Allow UserID of "root" unfettered access: > add allow tcp from me to any out setup uid root > # ============================================ Ah, ok, that would cover your outbound mail connects too. There may be other users (ie you) needing outbound access too, but you can always find out from logging why something expected to work isn't :) > # MySQL (Port 3306): ========================= > # add allow tcp from any to me 3306 in setup > # add allow tcp from me to any 3306 in setup > # MySQL ====================================== again, second one, going out? > # PgSQL (Port 5432): ========================= > # add allow tcp from any to me 5432 in setup > # add allow tcp from me to any 5432 in setup > # PgSQL ====================================== ditto. I guess you'll have both the SQL servers well restricted by config too, and everything else. You're running plenty of services. > # TomCat (Port 9080): ======================== > # add allow tcp from any to me 9080 in setup > # add allow tcp from me to any 9080 in setup > # TomCat ===================================== ditto? > # Plesk Server Administrator - PSA =========== > # Get updates on port 5224 > add allow tcp from me to 64.131.90.31 dst-port 5224 out setup > # add allow tcp from 64.131.90.31 to me dst-port 5224 in setup > # ============================================ > > > # Deny and log everything else: ============== > add deny log ip from any to me in > add deny log ip from any to me out > add deny log ip from me to any in > add deny log ip from me to any out Nothing survives the above gauntlet, so nothing reaches below. If you put these above the 'ip' = 'all' rules above, they'd count the denied udp first, then the rest, if that's what you want. > add deny log udp from any to me in > add deny log udp from any to me out > add deny log udp from me to any in > add deny log udp from me to any out > # ============================================ cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 14:40:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A59B816A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RV=9c0397d6@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A48013C459 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RV=9c0397d6@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3741B163F9D for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:08:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C9623E49A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:08:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:08:36 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071230140836.73878162@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <51e113440712291040x505eda52n817fd33be2f2dbf0@mail.gmail.com> References: <51e113440712291040x505eda52n817fd33be2f2dbf0@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: buildworld failure on VIA C3 Nehemiah X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:40:21 -0000 On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:40:25 +0100 "Warren Head" wrote: > 2007/12/29, Eric Osterweil : > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > Should I be using a different arch? Do I need a flag in the > > make.conf (I just have -pipe and -O2)? > > > > > I don't know, but this is what I read on a Gentoo wiki page: (related > to bugs in a Gentoo package) > http://gentoo-wiki.com/Safe_Cflags FreeBSD is not Gentoo. > Before you submit a bug report, compile with just "-O2 -march=i686 > -pipe" This is more aggressive optimization than the FreeBSD default for the C3 of: -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=c3 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 15:27:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F22B16A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D22813C43E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so8615539pyb.10 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:27:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=8Gg3UQL74bR3Vg5K5TSNP48kr8xC575+tX9Tnkhu7uA=; b=rR3+u2bFLsR+dLWc5dN2gK7m/PaR1y7SaZqhlvSGXOaThkhkB16DLIuJJOVbAQ0V9KmppisgMXE48y6hTua2cSsC+DyOGZOLk2ZZsCNNkA3OYB/Mr6pH/1086b298NjEptAvbCmpChVop7AwxG2rtS/zGtmctXwfcPzF9zs2F/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=iGOxi45QLymXdAA89ndpG+UCHXu3pycBsGigxGV7w/BuaKoqgunDIKat5lmgixWYDKYwaAdLQogNckFF8jmJo/i+eLdT5S1uEQkhuGqt5NsLd8h0HGdoTEwtSNdt/D/nhe65jZblTASV8uLbPyD/DRy6hCU4Nzr+ju5MwcLIlQ4= Received: by 10.65.156.2 with SMTP id i2mr22632410qbo.60.1199026812561; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.93.10 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:00:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <62b856460712300700y34e9a176k33df7aa42ecd2d49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:00:12 +0100 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 090cb24d0bd7d99e Subject: healthd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:27:16 -0000 I installed healthd hoping it would show me the cpu temperatures and fan speeds for my motherboard but it's reporting some crazy values like fan speeds of -48C and fan speeds of 13000 rpms. My motherboard is a SuperMicro X6DH3-G2 which does support this feature. There's a 6300ESB on the board which has an SMBus controller, so I think that healthd should be started with the -S option. However, I don't know if healthd will work with my chipset. It's not clear to me if the 6300ESB is the chipset or just the smbus controller which talks to the chipset. SuperMicro provides a windows utility which reads this data, so in theory I should be able to read this data somehow. If healthd isn't going to work here, perhaps I can just use smbmsg to extract the data directly from the chipset? Does anyone know how to figure out which parameters to give smbmsg to do that? And if not via smbmsg, is there some way to get this data? Michael Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 15:35:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B2816A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:35:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ederatzefick@yahoo.de) Received: from web27607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web27607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.146.177.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACE6413C46A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ederatzefick@yahoo.de) Received: (qmail 26899 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Dec 2007 15:08:48 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dBe61JsRNoS9UgOtv/n0sdFzEacsjodaK7gy/EU+VujKdYda9v5b/5J3iSmzIOoZTErnF5jM0HQMcIxgeuWTfAwuES58b+6eaviD00bzbs3+OFcoThlI29MqsiojWxh95c5PCzB3L2MJBdJGrKGHxc6IyCZ0O2zKSK10n/svN84=; X-YMail-OSG: 69dhs74VM1ka6FbZG7Wags4saobhoLZtct5vyBckcEe6_nZoKTLqlbpC1BTTB7FRBfm793gz45tMrjF8AGxJYUI4F.5m61fv6G1PdhfLJp6p9ZLaa5eFmwXPPOY- Received: from [81.163.109.37] by web27607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:08:47 CET Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:08:47 +0100 (CET) From: Ede Ratzefick To: freebsd-acpi@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <937461.25712.qm@web27607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: rc.resume and rc.suspend not executed on 6.2-RELEASE with acpi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:35:31 -0000 Hi, on my 6.2-RELEASE with acpi runnning, the script /etc/rc.suspend is not executed when going to S3 and also the /etc/rc.resume when waking up. Filepermissions are 755. Any ideas? BTW: Who's invoking these scripts? I saw it in apmd.conf but as I use acpi instead of apm this should not be relevant. greetings, Ede --------------------------------- Jetzt Mails schnell in einem Vorschaufenster überfliegen. Dies und viel mehr bietet das neue Yahoo! Mail. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 15:53:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF3B16A41A for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B79B13C45B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:53:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBUFreQK019429 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:53:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:53:39 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071229223028.gkahh4fvggk4ccso@webmail.1command.com> <47778093.5070905@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <47778093.5070905@FreeBSD.org> X-PRIORITY: 2 (High) Priority: urgent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712300953.40068.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: 7B4 scheduling question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:53:42 -0000 On Sunday 30 December 2007 05:27:15 am Kris Kennaway wrote: > Yes, ULE is the recommended scheduler. out of curiosity, if the ULE is becoming the standard, then why does the GENERIC config still have the 4BSD as the default? im curious to know, since im rebuilding a badly-behaving 7.0-RC1 box that was locking up under the loads of building kernel. (installed at BETA4, now building up to RC1 as i type...) cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 15:56:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295B516A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69DC13C467 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:56:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBUFuaem033568; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:56:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 65BB9B829; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:56:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:56:36 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Michael Grant Message-ID: <20071230155636.GA72251@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Michael Grant , FreeBSD Questions References: <62b856460712300700y34e9a176k33df7aa42ecd2d49@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <62b856460712300700y34e9a176k33df7aa42ecd2d49@mail.gmail.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: healthd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:56:43 -0000 --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 04:00:12PM +0100, Michael Grant wrote: > I installed healthd hoping it would show me the cpu temperatures and > fan speeds for my motherboard but it's reporting some crazy values > like fan speeds of -48C and fan speeds of 13000 rpms. :-) =20 [snip] > SuperMicro provides a windows utility which reads this data, so in > theory I should be able to read this data somehow. [snip] > And if not via smbmsg, is there some way to get this data? Try sysutils/mbmon. It can access monitoring chips in multiple ways. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHd7+0EnfvsMMhpyURAtXHAJ93bFDqPKzViF5pTxEHbcSiVlNu/wCgg3Ja dUM1iOy7ww2keLcwyc3zEGg= =3Geb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZPt4rx8FFjLCG7dd-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 16:10:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD5C16A420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4648C13C4E8; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <4777C2E7.1050702@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:10:15 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Horne References: <20071229223028.gkahh4fvggk4ccso@webmail.1command.com> <47778093.5070905@FreeBSD.org> <200712300953.40068.freebsd@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200712300953.40068.freebsd@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 7B4 scheduling question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:10:20 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Sunday 30 December 2007 05:27:15 am Kris Kennaway wrote: >> Yes, ULE is the recommended scheduler. > > out of curiosity, if the ULE is becoming the standard, then why does the > GENERIC config still have the 4BSD as the default? Release engineers wanted to be conservative in case of problems. It will change post-release. > im curious to know, since im rebuilding a badly-behaving 7.0-RC1 box that was > locking up under the loads of building kernel. (installed at BETA4, now > building up to RC1 as i type...) Sounds likely to be hardware failure, absent other evidence. Kris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 16:11:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE6316A419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:11:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E6113C47E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBUGBA6o019999 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:11:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:11:10 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712301011.10205.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: gui system information apps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:11:27 -0000 what are some good 'desktop-docked' system info apps (that run well in freebsd), that might be similar in function to grkellm? i saw many screenshots of beautiful apps for superkaramba, but was pretty disappointed that most of them only understand linux devices and fstabs. was wondering what gui apps my peers might be enjoying. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 16:18:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F099F16A420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tankko@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74F913C4EC for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tankko@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7415387waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:18:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KkjEob2zIEWoIqHoOBLO9hjT4exNsQotm/6S10+aQpI=; b=OTesWb6hozFkHGYCLaC8v9XcyNHfAwakAaSHr8K0ibGahBF2cAq6QlEelR/ilg57rSelMNMk6HqdlywQC3Y3l5w3tcB+u5u0bLRsAtTuzAuYlkNV8l4s3XSZLicNFrKkDcIBN/0EszC193EPjLehp7kjZ2oDpiDgvPb6B6YOFAY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IeLOBGZb5OG0MCuhsPmtvoDrz4LC6smBspbg0v3YmsxS6pr4mzKLas5x1y/zrmqxKy/Q6NzaagrmiLc2Qc4C2l6LQ7N4jx7gvCLvmMpuzybGt7JxBTe7JztgWuQwO9NWsbNxUthdOcJAh/NpBkBiYiZeDT3MPIH0wmkBnn1Nu24= Received: by 10.114.199.1 with SMTP id w1mr11663698waf.109.1199031498035; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:18:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.14.16 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:18:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7fec743f0712300818udcc144ctc84887998fbe79c7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:18:18 -0800 From: Tankko To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <7fec743f0712280940h3943aa00o6f277b0b8c4a172e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7fec743f0712280940h3943aa00o6f277b0b8c4a172e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: apache portupgrade conflicts with apr-db43 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:18:19 -0000 Does anyone know the answer to this? I am stuck as to how to proceed? Tankko On Dec 28, 2007 9:40 AM, Tankko wrote: > I am upgrading apache... > > apache-2.2.6_2 < needs updating (port has 2.2.6_3) > > ...and I get the following error: > > > > ---> Installing the new version via the port > ===> Installing for apache-2.2.6_3 > > ===> apache-2.2.6_3 conflicts with installed package(s): > apr-db43-1.2.8_2 > > They install files into the same place. > Please remove them first with pkg_delete(1). > *** Error code 1 > > > > apr-db43-1.2.8_2 is needed by subversion-1.4.4_1 > > Why is this happening and what do I need to do to correct it. I > figured I'd ask here before I blindly started removing ports. > > I am running FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE > > Thanks, Tankko > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 16:47:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE2216A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8953A13C44B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from slackbox.xs4all.nl (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBUGlcT6065361; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:47:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.xs4all.nl (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C4681B829; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:47:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:47:38 +0100 From: Roland Smith To: Jonathan Horne Message-ID: <20071230164738.GA73553@slackbox.xs4all.nl> Mail-Followup-To: Jonathan Horne , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <200712301011.10205.freebsd@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712301011.10205.freebsd@dfwlp.com> X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gui system information apps X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:47:50 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 10:11:10AM -0600, Jonathan Horne wrote: > what are some good 'desktop-docked' system info apps (that run well in=20 > freebsd), that might be similar in function to grkellm? >=20 > i saw many screenshots of beautiful apps for superkaramba, but was pretty= =20 > disappointed that most of them only understand linux devices and fstabs. = was=20 > wondering what gui apps my peers might be enjoying. For me, sysutils/conky works fine.=20 Things like temperature measurements depend on kernel support (hw.acpi sysctls, IIRC). 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Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5110C13C45B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so4640693rvb.43 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:52:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0I0Z9QzQRYXBeTemM0/q/cYU0zEeKNFdnS84XEnbNx8=; b=k7cgTGqlzS4afMQvNt/7pFQaT+K0meHllaaxyEhTfQbuVUfd/0VwSyf9zi91nFtmCNMpV0Dp0xVdESb2iCT5klJ4PQImageTH7lIDpb0/UVK4ouyB98vFINdI8w+j5O05KIxTM8dpKMHXdtug59Ds31ba62itdx4Gw92razeU3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=xrmbrJPTl91KJN3q3tOXIGl7rhlVnsj63joqsxn+edYJCP//Neae+C9dWmXQ+iy0jOg0rYipxhGdVRl8XUKVP9G4S6qKYd6i+wo57zyHtC3YcVWM0QYkdCTcLGTxqj7fRwa18gsdrwDax/L+f9uGbEdCFCuHBaFZjcMdGnXT6r4= Received: by 10.142.225.11 with SMTP id x11mr3455047wfg.141.1199033577935; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:52:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.242.11 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:52:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26ddd1750712300852p5835e094nf20f85a9f8e0356d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:52:57 -0500 From: "Maxim Khitrov" To: Rob In-Reply-To: <47752446.8090908@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ddd1750712271246j14795cf3wf8e9727f0f7cc148@mail.gmail.com> <47744048.6020202@daleco.biz> <47752446.8090908@gmail.com> Cc: User Questions Subject: Re: Blocking undesirable domains using BIND X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:52:59 -0000 On Dec 28, 2007 11:28 AM, Rob wrote: > Kevin Kinsey wrote: > > Just a question, and I'm not trying to cast doubt on your plan; I'm > > curious why using BIND for this purpose instead of a proxy, which is > > a more typical application as I understand it? > > I was trying to do something similar. I didn't research too hard, but figured the only way to use Bind would be to make my server authoritative for all those domains, which meant a huge config file and potential overhead, as well as > possibly breaking access to desirable servers in the domains. > > So hosts seemed easier, but apparently Bind never looks at hosts. I did find that Squid (which I already had installed and in limited use) has its own DNS resolver, and it does look at hosts first before going to the nameserver. > > Then I found this site: http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html and put their list in hosts, and now client PCs get a squid error in place of ad junk. Works ok for me ;) > > -Rob > Well... you were right about overhead. In the last two days I wrote a script that would fetch a list of domains from several different sites, and output a valid BIND configuration file that could be included in the main config. I just ran the second test and the results are extremely poor. With only 27,885 blocked domains the server is now consuming 208 MB of ram. The first time I tried reloading the full list of domains (91,137 of them) and that nearly crashed my server. Had to kill bind, remove two of the largest sources, and try a second time. Honestly, I can't figure out what BIND could possibly be using so much memory for. It's taking up about 7 KB for each zone. The zone file itself is not even 1 KB, and given that all the records are pointing to the exact same thing it seems to be needlessly wasting memory. In addition to that, if I comment out the blacklist config file and run rndc reload, it only frees up about 16 MB. So it doesn't even release memory when it is no longer needed. It looks like my plan of using BIND for filtering purposes will not work. Given how poorly it performed on this test I'm actually inclined to try another name server to see if something else would be more memory-efficient. If I can't find anything then I'll need to put some other piece of software to intercept BIND's recursive queries and block the domains that way. - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 16:56:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0899016A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:56:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl (smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl [213.51.130.200]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBDC13C469 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:56:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [213.51.130.189] (port=40710 helo=smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq1.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J91T0-000485-Ac; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:56:50 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88]:4877 helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J91Sy-0003ns-1a; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:56:50 +0100 Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 80) id 2FA2639885; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:56:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from VAL00653.egypt.nl (VAL00653.egypt.nl [192.168.13.53]) by www.boosten.org (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:56:46 +0100 Message-ID: <20071230175646.ckjppgvgg4o4ck8g@www.boosten.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:56:46 +0100 From: Peter Boosten To: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com References: <47765E94.3000500@shopzeus.com> <20071229152545.GB14971@brahma.susmita.org> In-Reply-To: <20071229152545.GB14971@brahma.susmita.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.5) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Photo organizer for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:56:52 -0000 Quoting Girish Venkatachalam : > > You can trivially do this with the convert command. Refer to my article. > > http://linuxjournal.com/9566 You mean: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9696 ;-) Peter -- http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 17:04:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2990416A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:04:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC20313C457 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:04:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@boosten.org) Received: from [213.51.146.189] (port=40233 helo=smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J91aH-0001fH-VR; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:04:22 +0100 Received: from cp268254-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.65.88]:4805 helo=ra.egypt.nl) by smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J91aF-0006b9-DI; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:04:21 +0100 Received: by ra.egypt.nl (Postfix, from userid 80) id 17AC339885; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:04:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from VAL00653.egypt.nl (VAL00653.egypt.nl [192.168.13.53]) by www.boosten.org (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:04:15 +0100 Message-ID: <20071230180415.bvf80bd6hsgk48cc@www.boosten.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:04:15 +0100 From: Peter Boosten To: Eric Crist References: <20071228175444.93100@gmx.net> <477544BC.4070009@math.missouri.edu> <584BD35A-01ED-495C-B579-1507C0444E3E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <584BD35A-01ED-495C-B579-1507C0444E3E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.5) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Mon Si , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_delete: package 'xorg-drivers-7.3' doesn't have a prefix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:04:24 -0000 Quoting Eric Crist : > On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >> Mon Si wrote: >>> Dear list, >>> I'm experiencing problems when I try to portupgrade the xorg-driver >>> port. The old version of the port can't be uninstalled during the >>> portupgrade due to an undefined prefix. >>> The port can't be deleted by "pkg_delete -f xorg-drivers-7.3" >>> Does anybody know how to upgrade / remove this port? >>> Thanks in advance, >>> =09Simon >> >> If nothing else works, you could try >> rm -rf /var/db/pkg/xorg-drivers-7.3 > > If I remember correctly, there are detailed instructions in > /usr/ports/UPDATING -- go back to notes for sometime in May of 2007, > and there's a really long entry on upgraded to Xorg 7.x from 6.9. I > think the entry specifically mentions 7.2, but it should work for 7.3 > as well. > The following worked for me: In /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers do make config then portupgrade -f xorg-drivers Peter --=20 http://www.boosten.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 17:31:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6211116A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:31:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368E713C44B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:31:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7452570waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:31:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PNWx6w8pydWn9xihByMsQK/dKlxFk5NjYPfBaMkhTBI=; b=bPKEjYXRBjRNFBgCiAQCco9S0/Y8BMevM521f0ssBTKbnzJc/puGmSQ+mX0DoTr+wXtMBwuO7oBws4YeRggaTQqiXgy5w89ldLqznjp0uJxRHMInvTe0baOyCHv89T606FJfTaLl+os9VLZ9a2b18i+IDIKzl212TQRzCUHVEoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mahMAFbC7ROFmz2T1XsfTbfeoZUQ0Wr9rZ/xvSwmzRelxQ0XL+7Dphu6OuEi+m44gv0S0kXCmMt4MnxqiEkl1QWNAvwCY/FUZcRGcS34S2Clo1Xv43KcznX7EWrt2anIpsTTNXxe1nxpT8ktMERO7PaZ1zwfvclYqGhHRvGyMGg= Received: by 10.114.88.1 with SMTP id l1mr10570636wab.79.1199035896910; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:31:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.47.12 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:31:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <839aec700712300931l18d892dak3fe16175405fa65f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:31:36 -0700 From: "Darren Spruell" To: "Maxim Khitrov" In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750712300852p5835e094nf20f85a9f8e0356d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ddd1750712271246j14795cf3wf8e9727f0f7cc148@mail.gmail.com> <47744048.6020202@daleco.biz> <47752446.8090908@gmail.com> <26ddd1750712300852p5835e094nf20f85a9f8e0356d@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Rob , User Questions Subject: Re: Blocking undesirable domains using BIND X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:31:37 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 9:52 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > I was trying to do something similar. I didn't research too hard, but figured the only way to use Bind would be to make my server authoritative for all those domains, which meant a huge config file and potential overhead, as well as > > possibly breaking access to desirable servers in the domains. > > > > So hosts seemed easier, but apparently Bind never looks at hosts. I did find that Squid (which I already had installed and in limited use) has its own DNS resolver, and it does look at hosts first before going to the nameserver. > > > > Then I found this site: http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html and put their list in hosts, and now client PCs get a squid error in place of ad junk. Works ok for me ;) > Well... you were right about overhead. In the last two days I wrote a > script that would fetch a list of domains from several different > sites, and output a valid BIND configuration file that could be > included in the main config. I just ran the second test and the > results are extremely poor. With only 27,885 blocked domains the > server is now consuming 208 MB of ram. The first time I tried > reloading the full list of domains (91,137 of them) and that nearly > crashed my server. Had to kill bind, remove two of the largest > sources, and try a second time. Nearly 100,000 zones on that server is a fairly impressive amount. Give it credit for what you're trying to do. :) Nonetheless, crashing is unacceptable. > Honestly, I can't figure out what BIND could possibly be using so much > memory for. It's taking up about 7 KB for each zone. The zone file > itself is not even 1 KB, and given that all the records are pointing > to the exact same thing it seems to be needlessly wasting memory. In > addition to that, if I comment out the blacklist config file and run > rndc reload, it only frees up about 16 MB. So it doesn't even release > memory when it is no longer needed. My experience, albeit with a smaller number of zones, is a bit different. First you need to account for main program memory and memory utilized by the nameserver's cache, if any. You may also be running your own authoritative zones which will add memory utilization outside of that. You can't account for all of the utilized memory in your additional blocking zones. Without my blocking zones loaded, I have 6 native zones on my nameserver and the resident memory size of named is 2.2 MB. After a fresh server startup, I expect minimum memory for cached records, so that comes out to be about 375 KB/zone, unscientifically. If I restart named (kill and start server fresh) with my blocking zones in the config, I come out with 17239 zones and a resident process memory size of 59 MB. (Unscientifically again,) this breaks down to about 3.5 KB/zone. In my configuration, each of these blocking zones points to a simple zone file 244B in size on disk: $TTL 86400 @ IN SOA ns.local. admin.local. ( 1 ; serial 1h ; refresh 30m ; retry 7d ; expiration 1h ) ; minimum IN NS ns.local. IN A 127.0.0.1 * IN A 127.0.0.1 So all told, I seem to notice somewhat slimmer utilization than you (roughly half the memory utilization per zone, and though I have 61% as many zones loaded my named takes only 28% of the memory yours does.) > It looks like my plan of using BIND for filtering purposes will not > work. Given how poorly it performed on this test I'm actually inclined > to try another name server to see if something else would be more > memory-efficient. You will almost certainly find most of the popular alternatives to be much more resource efficient. djbdns in particular would be my next choice if memory efficiency and stability are concerns. DS From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 17:33:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E7E16A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC0F13C467 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:33:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so3481581hsj.11 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:33:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QSJ7DJFPqScIT3IOpZX13khOQN3/jh2Ke4+povF1/NI=; b=gqdRQQm1/xoL+kY5uBE025RgYzH8JbJzEtzWmuJHkaOjE8AkiHCHPUnSl3/qXYurXDogsCDHqBVvAbUzZV8gVVaD6cuCM0cT/iX6uMM5uSHY6kKNRg1vN9P0l2E/5INa+AXU2eBBa6JzAdSKdSwEPVzXQOuncCM5ER0J7IjWHOc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; 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Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:52:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de (rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de [194.94.155.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6B6213C442 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:52:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 930C550632 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:52:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from yeti.mininet (rrzras1-15.rz.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.208.25]) by rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A655E50B32 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:52:04 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 From: "Markus Hoenicka" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18295.55864.740395.631672@yeti.mininet> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:49:44 +0100 To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: dlopen(), atexit() on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:52:14 -0000 Hi, I bumped into a platform-specific problem when using the Firebird database client library in a dlopen()ed module on FreeBSD. libdbi (http://libdbi.sourceforge.net) is a database abstraction layer which dlopen()s available database drivers at runtime to provide connectivity to various database engines. This design works without problems on a variety of platforms and with a variety of database client libraries, but causes a segfault with Firebird on FreeBSD: #0 0x28514fe4 in ?? () #1 0x281507c3 in __cxa_finalize () from /lib/libc.so.6 #2 0x281503fe in exit () from /lib/libc.so.6 #3 0x0804a40f in main (argc=1, argv=0xbfbfe754) at test_dbi.c:419 The application crashes when exit() is called. Googling told me that __cxa_finalize () is invoked by atexit(). Our drivers and apps do not use this function, but the firebird client libraries do: markus@yeti:~/prog/libdbi-drivers/tests# grep atexit /usr/local/lib/libfb* Binary file /usr/local/lib/libfbclient.so matches Binary file /usr/local/lib/libfbembed.so matches Googling also told me that the conflict between atexit() and dlopen() on FreeBSD is a known problem, see e.g.: http://www.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-developers/2006-March/002523.html Is there anything I can do about this from my end? regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka markus.hoenicka@cats.de (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 17:54:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86E216A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@webtent.net) Received: from esmtp.webtent.net (esmtp.webtent.net [208.38.145.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5AA13C43E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@webtent.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by esmtp.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Gateway) with ESMTP id DB4997FE3E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from esmtp.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18095-04 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:54:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [70.110.70.43] (columbus.webtent.org [70.110.70.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by esmtp.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Gateway) with ESMTP id 4B6E27FB95 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:54:36 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Fitzpatrick To: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain Organization: WebTent Networking, Inc. Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:54:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1199037275.7325.17.camel@columbus.webtent.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.2a Subject: Imaging to new system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: robert@webtent.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:54:45 -0000 I have a server running 5.4-RELEASE using RAID-5 on an Intel RAID controller that I need to move to faster RAID. Is it possible to image or some other way to save the current install and restore after setting up the RAID or should I just plan to reinstall everything? -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 18:10:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C6C16A4DC for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC8613C468 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7472617waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:10:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=lxIazWOq9tQLLX6rfCXaIPQjO9Sj4ULA8Gqf4Cyp/VY=; b=DOGEhySksANDy8/c/gK2s6IwtKXv00ZNLryXdnGDmFhj1MscmxMHBCFhvJwEE3JrMo84haUcdH6XcJ82hqMRlMHrROAqNgN0KI2o99kD/PpEXBYUJ/XYt+XkXwtZqYPKaqgGlE17BodG48yk+iWMdtMqyTO/DtiICGBC7PQHzH0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S0PlebzYPhmdv8xVzqG8NUQdCPuf8q8fyPBHb5kQ57zXmAxY9/Xbj4x+yjCUQmNLIxpUSkIPPgidor0HKQrhCP67szjq+gokhZkMLpsxuaNlA3kFnQzpT6YF/HS5iJP4kDFJxemTOhRsycW9geMgxOb7szp8NlkSxlRmWe1HD+s= Received: by 10.114.92.2 with SMTP id p2mr10987497wab.90.1199038233171; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:10:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.47.12 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:10:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <839aec700712301010i278cbefcsd2ccd24179468ce4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:10:33 -0700 From: "Darren Spruell" To: robert@webtent.com In-Reply-To: <1199037275.7325.17.camel@columbus.webtent.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1199037275.7325.17.camel@columbus.webtent.org> Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Imaging to new system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:10:34 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 10:54 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: > I have a server running 5.4-RELEASE using RAID-5 on an Intel RAID > controller that I need to move to faster RAID. Is it possible to image > or some other way to save the current install and restore after setting > up the RAID or should I just plan to reinstall everything? Running dump(8) and restore(8) would allow you to back up and restore your system. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dump http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=restore This is typically used with tape, although you can dump to disk as well. If your data/system is critical, you ought to already have some backup strategy you could restore the system from to your new RAID. If not, you might put one in place (RAID != backups). -- Darren Spruell phatbuckett@gmail.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 18:47:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8001716A420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@webtent.net) Received: from esmtp.webtent.net (esmtp.webtent.net [208.38.145.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5496213C45D for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@webtent.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by esmtp.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Gateway) with ESMTP id 9409C7FBB0; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:47:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from esmtp.webtent.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.webtent.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19782-07; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:47:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from [70.110.70.43] (columbus.webtent.org [70.110.70.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by esmtp.webtent.net (WebTent ESMTP Postfix Internet Mail Gateway) with ESMTP id C84817FABC; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:47:44 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Fitzpatrick To: Darren Spruell In-Reply-To: <839aec700712301010i278cbefcsd2ccd24179468ce4@mail.gmail.com> References: <1199037275.7325.17.camel@columbus.webtent.org> <839aec700712301010i278cbefcsd2ccd24179468ce4@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: WebTent Networking, Inc. Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:47:44 -0500 Message-Id: <1199040464.7325.38.camel@columbus.webtent.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: WebTent Mailguard 1.0.2a Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Imaging to new system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: robert@webtent.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:47:54 -0000 On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 11:10 -0700, Darren Spruell wrote: > On Dec 30, 2007 10:54 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I have a server running 5.4-RELEASE using RAID-5 on an Intel RAID > > controller that I need to move to faster RAID. Is it possible to image > > or some other way to save the current install and restore after setting > > up the RAID or should I just plan to reinstall everything? > > Running dump(8) and restore(8) would allow you to back up and restore > your system. > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dump > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=restore > > This is typically used with tape, although you can dump to disk as well. > > If your data/system is critical, you ought to already have some backup > strategy you could restore the system from to your new RAID. If not, > you might put one in place (RAID != backups). > Yes, of course, we have data backup and can restore after reinstalling everything, but I was looking for a complete system restore option. I'll look into these docs, thanks. There is no tape system, so I guess the only hope is if it can be dumped and restored from an NFS drive. From looking at the docs, it does appear this is possible, as long as the data in on a fs mounted by fstab? -- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 18:49:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68CF16A420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihaz.jerrin@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8814D13C45B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:49:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihaz.jerrin@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7492551waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:49:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=4OdqncRGI9Pbw672mSsIv0DiV8lhxHKVSOI0sm3VYHg=; b=s/2xgQu189NS+gXCKGDzUy5eYeZIey/+CDgXWb77wx0W+IydyGCsY5vE45T8JqUBsqI72ylu0wgy0Yr5VX8iOqmZaRsUi1Met7tAijASkh6dNo4SVTQsv1iq5qy3OFHdWfxhLmEQNDlRwwam/1bEJSBDoOghJJ1R4ZAT5hjcWI8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=my5skQR838y5dr5OAMUFQw+nJy2SZ7xZgvtlu+z3cD5GrOhbbTiwjlm5OpWMdsF3xRjAr7onrSByyUA1vNARSWvm8PHpuA57Sh/lM9gBt/dvF0i8EbEMHM2Pt4soW9vPxPj6OIPTOBr2kD3Ra2qXWB0adW2SU5Zvg39dHHHGtwY= Received: by 10.114.195.19 with SMTP id s19mr12374742waf.58.1199038891133; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?202.164.135.26? ( [202.164.135.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v32sm19805445wah.42.2007.12.30.10.21.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:21:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4778751A.6090703@korn.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:50:34 -0500 User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070329) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3120c9e30712300536j6cb10e33rb0dc55834a74e4d6@mail.gmail.com> <14989d6e0712300849k58d23055kf32ab529eda9b52@mail.gmail.com> <3120c9e30712300933m4ebbfecbudef3a1120b0c3539@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30712300933m4ebbfecbudef3a1120b0c3539@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: jery Subject: Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:49:15 -0000 अनà¥à¤œ wrote: > I want to install rhel5 on same hard disk. Freebsd6.2 slice is on > primary partition , second OS is Fedora 7, 3rd is rhel4 (want to fresh > install rhel5 over rhel4) . > I can see freebsd mentioned in my rhel partitioning section, most > likely linux does not have support for freebsd slice. > Last time too I had do format my FreeBSD just for RHEL4/Fedora, and I > dont want to format FreeBSD just to install linux. Is there some > method to avoid formatting FreeBSD every time I fresh install linux? I > have two disks , second disk I use for saving data. > > > Thanks and Regards > Anuj Singh "anugunj". > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 10:19 PM, Christian Walther wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> >> On 30/12/2007, अनà¥à¤œ wrote: >> >>> Hello , >>> I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. >>> I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I get an >>> error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition >>> layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. >>> Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 >>> (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation >>> >> Do you want to install rhel5 on a different disk than your FreeBSD >> installation is located on? In this case I would just remove the disk >> (unplug the cable) during the installation. >> >> HTH >> Christian >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" hello, i have installed rhel5,Debian Gnu/Linux,FreeBsd6.2, on the same hard disk. Try installing rhel5 on the current rhel4 partition. i have done that and i never had to format FreeBSD every time i install Gnu/Linux. jery From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 18:50:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D767316A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nate@root.org) Received: from root.org (root.org [67.118.192.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38E413C455 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nate@root.org) Received: (qmail 87249 invoked from network); 30 Dec 2007 18:23:34 -0000 Received: from adsl-71-141-123-117.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO ?192.168.1.77?) (nate-mail@71.141.123.117) by root.org with ESMTPA; 30 Dec 2007 18:23:34 -0000 Message-ID: <4777E223.9060009@root.org> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:23:31 -0800 From: Nate Lawson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ede Ratzefick References: <937461.25712.qm@web27607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <937461.25712.qm@web27607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-acpi@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rc.resume and rc.suspend not executed on 6.2-RELEASE with acpi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:50:15 -0000 Ede Ratzefick wrote: > Hi, > > on my 6.2-RELEASE with acpi runnning, the script /etc/rc.suspend is not executed when going to S3 and also the /etc/rc.resume when waking up. Filepermissions are 755. Any ideas? > > BTW: Who's invoking these scripts? I saw it in apmd.conf but as I use acpi instead of apm this should not be relevant. If you're using the apm -z command or zzz, they will be executed. If you use the physical sleep button, they will not. Fixing this required some API changes as the kernel can't run usermode scripts directly and the button is handled by a kernel driver. If you try 7.0 or -current, you should find this works for you. -- Nate From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 19:54:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 222AD16A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:54:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihaz.jerrin@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABD913C43E for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:54:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihaz.jerrin@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7525710waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:54:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=FofYQGfUHSszvueEIetPmrqBlNiRtloZSjbuRQMxQkA=; b=uLN0T/1GOecK40jH09zpBAYA5rXZ0WiHZb4YA7/9wyHCSneVrmKfMwTtPi6Ano1Qc4584iz9MI28bE7FCF9OEH87Znrsv7JvbZ4HGQHtdO3rSexlqHJxUR510xo1RKUpUHG6FRwv3cqrZoYeAwje59t3m2zitDuWGMl3EodcnkM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=JnOKm4j+xQQikKyU1/c9135rOzfz9ytqlMuE3lUAq+TyMXzf/56P94FIHGmXPPxdVaVdvdcr3kFW9rKujiVtV+Ii00RdKqDM0/flp3LFt57cQX8lkibP/slpnc0aGaYgguj72kIzf3msYgiFDsNDxWqL10FDTfLLfhlvHgTbpxg= Received: by 10.114.144.1 with SMTP id r1mr12359583wad.53.1199042983640; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:29:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?202.164.135.26? ( [202.164.135.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v35sm12262774wah.19.2007.12.30.11.29.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:29:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4778851F.7020006@korn.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:58:55 -0500 User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070329) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <3120c9e30712300536j6cb10e33rb0dc55834a74e4d6@mail.gmail.com> <14989d6e0712300849k58d23055kf32ab529eda9b52@mail.gmail.com> <3120c9e30712300933m4ebbfecbudef3a1120b0c3539@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30712300933m4ebbfecbudef3a1120b0c3539@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jery Cc: Subject: Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:54:29 -0000 ???? wrote: > I want to install rhel5 on same hard disk. Freebsd6.2 slice is on > primary partition , second OS is Fedora 7, 3rd is rhel4 (want to fresh > install rhel5 over rhel4) . > I can see freebsd mentioned in my rhel partitioning section, most > likely linux does not have support for freebsd slice. > Last time too I had do format my FreeBSD just for RHEL4/Fedora, and I > dont want to format FreeBSD just to install linux. Is there some > method to avoid formatting FreeBSD every time I fresh install linux? I > have two disks , second disk I use for saving data. > > > Thanks and Regards > Anuj Singh "anugunj". > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 10:19 PM, Christian Walther wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> >> On 30/12/2007, ???? wrote: >> >>> Hello , >>> I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. >>> I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I get an >>> error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition >>> layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. >>> Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 >>> (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation >>> >> Do you want to install rhel5 on a different disk than your FreeBSD >> installation is located on? In this case I would just remove the disk >> (unplug the cable) during the installation. >> >> HTH >> Christian >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" hello, Install/upgrade rhel5 on the rhel4 partition. i have done that and i never had to format FreeBsd partition for a fresh linux installation. i am running Debian Gnu/Linux,rhel5,and FreeBSD on the same hard disk,i have installed rhel5 many time's without formatting Freebsd partition. jery From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 20:09:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C7416A473 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:09:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B25113C442 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7533591waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:09:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=HrjkXjmu4lFm2NmKO3O2RPpbP3o5DG498ECaWg0D3jo=; b=ePSSqY+ftQu2AELwVyh0PkLAhWNsvGaMqUqEPWRqO6UuX87n5euLIEzqrxppYypqhlSlN+WD8TMijkOILAkSeqn+TbFwlxQ2TqMztyhJmbP9hzzdfkkIYa6zSD+t7Ldyz77ZG4CF7A5pEzfDt3CGB65KzQ/SN2HBWUWPXVdWrZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p1rx8swemtap0fq7KmYxP6ujpesUUttPhp/sW1IT5jGcxAhff+iZFtOx1xqIyj/bGg3oFxLuGzuPrtt4gLKMKUZagjMXFgtwS2juy4+56fnUeUEoQ/+4qlW/2kstlbYKmw9TCScLipYolgMBGhcY0LbgLHvdDcAbpFiR7tGeXnM= Received: by 10.115.58.1 with SMTP id l1mr10274062wak.110.1199045351643; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.47.12 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:09:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <839aec700712301209i7fa4af45q48ccb02c266b38a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:09:11 -0700 From: "Darren Spruell" To: robert@webtent.com In-Reply-To: <1199040464.7325.38.camel@columbus.webtent.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1199037275.7325.17.camel@columbus.webtent.org> <839aec700712301010i278cbefcsd2ccd24179468ce4@mail.gmail.com> <1199040464.7325.38.camel@columbus.webtent.org> Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Imaging to new system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:09:13 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 11:47 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Running dump(8) and restore(8) would allow you to back up and restore > > your system. > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dump > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=restore > > > > This is typically used with tape, although you can dump to disk as well. > > > > If your data/system is critical, you ought to already have some backup > > strategy you could restore the system from to your new RAID. If not, > > you might put one in place (RAID != backups). > > Yes, of course, we have data backup and can restore after reinstalling > everything, but I was looking for a complete system restore option. I'll > look into these docs, thanks. There is no tape system, so I guess the > only hope is if it can be dumped and restored from an NFS drive. From > looking at the docs, it does appear this is possible, as long as the > data in on a fs mounted by fstab? Can be data on a mounted fs or an umounted filesystem altogether: 'files-to-dump' is either a mountpoint of a filesystem or a list of files and directories on a single filesystem to be backed up as a subset of the filesystem. In the former case, either the path to a mounted filesystem or the device of an unmounted filesystem can be used. (dump(8)) DS From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 20:35:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32D916A419 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D0C13C44B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so4708125rvb.43 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:35:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=+EkbH6Qq7xzdySeToBJSHn9OpIy4jb8LZAVMFxI6A2k=; b=OoatVwwjnity2taufdUWTltSyYMF85pKuXVfXOhzBOYRlF1N9ga1xsgJIdT0cSurwO7nR3UEpUSslcRhi4eDmtDJue2SqEl8fBYLTPNXQgBv3TRAdh8LGxBshjHlTX79gXlMDDmGU3PrHvwdWBjt+D37j5Nhcx6oy8uM9oCijkE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=AVZJZYFZept94SSVb+tqCdGuWgl2IzAV7PlGsoddEYxN1AzAzBmWXtWa4QrjddvTv3xwvDNuS+VWBMddqPadQUKuxuupm14tNsEiBvS2qVLbZniY84b5LLA3Q2vwmGkjWCh/qtcJAibx0HPCGShr3hYfR++SEANEfBNYHqWSqMo= Received: by 10.141.76.21 with SMTP id d21mr5976111rvl.114.1199046924140; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:35:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from brahma.susmita.org ( [59.92.44.56]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k2sm4273064rvb.36.2007.12.30.12.35.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by brahma.susmita.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id EC1A8CCED; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:05:17 +0530 (IST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:05:17 +0530 From: Girish Venkatachalam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071230203517.GA3521@brahma.susmita.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <47765E94.3000500@shopzeus.com> <20071229152545.GB14971@brahma.susmita.org> <20071230175646.ckjppgvgg4o4ck8g@www.boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071230175646.ckjppgvgg4o4ck8g@www.boosten.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: Photo organizer for FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:35:25 -0000 On 17:56:46 Dec 30, Peter Boosten wrote: > You mean: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9696 > > ;-) > I got my math wrong and my memory failed. ;) Thanks. -Girish From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 21:10:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8520516A41B for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 345DC13C455 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so8727258pyb.10 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:10:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=4PLxM998ye4Hss16zJ+ixiiHytWlZ0A3HbfSsc/Wmd0=; b=W07tMo05WHMo4xxx5GlE3KihCnD4pWlc2beHywd+cyU8585L/MH54GzOPKgMpu3rH0nCQ+LS2nP0cHpBgIyUCFURe5bDiJ6PIGkQTw9U0QncejCjm+iC5rEn+7VbYAGNVhd5CUdKB4TrNM5fDYZifnFOnMMdoUCAc1HmpVC9ANU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CdMk78BGguBn6JDVGYi11mf+EeDPFqh2/Xx6rardM189fRwdNMERkY9DEGxZ7qlDpw5vPHsAwdOGJbOoPdugRMNxEhf9OGcjNenTrBB/mP9dx08szXIZOV2cIL4IzBTPHTfvhtBv0lgYtfmWxwhsbEZOAX/afmtncL3pGB7uO/Q= Received: by 10.65.139.9 with SMTP id r9mr23340241qbn.32.1199049007391; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.93.10 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:10:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <62b856460712301310i649fde37h4e7c24262f7cbdd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:10:07 +0100 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "FreeBSD Questions" In-Reply-To: <20071230155636.GA72251@slackbox.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <62b856460712300700y34e9a176k33df7aa42ecd2d49@mail.gmail.com> <20071230155636.GA72251@slackbox.xs4all.nl> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 30ddbb0b32d4bd08 Cc: Roland Smith Subject: Re: healthd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:10:11 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 4:56 PM, Roland Smith wrote: > On Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 04:00:12PM +0100, Michael Grant wrote: > > I installed healthd hoping it would show me the cpu temperatures and > > fan speeds for my motherboard but it's reporting some crazy values > > like fan speeds of -48C and fan speeds of 13000 rpms. > > :-) > > [snip] > > SuperMicro provides a windows utility which reads this data, so in > > theory I should be able to read this data somehow. > [snip] > > And if not via smbmsg, is there some way to get this data? > > Try sysutils/mbmon. It can access monitoring chips in multiple ways. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) Ok, I tried mbmon. It produces equally strange results: # mbmon -I Temp.= 208.0, 0.0, 0.0; Rot.= 8035, 3443, 3515 Vcore = 4.08, 4.08; Volt. = 4.08, 5.03, 11.49, 0.72, 1.94 That's 208 degrees C, not believable. mbmon wouldn't talk to the smbus, if I ran it like this it produced the following: # mbmon -S InitMBInfo: Device not configured # mbmon -d -A SMBus[Intel8XX(ICH/ICH2/ICH3/ICH4/ICH5/ICH6)] found, but No HWM available on it!! Summary of Detection: * ISA monitor(s): ** Winbond Chip W83627HF/THF/THF-A found. This chip is definitely supported by mbmon. I read through the motherboard manual. It makes no mention to this chip. The sensor appears to be built into the motherboard and supported by the cpu. In other words, there's nothing special to do, I do not need a separate sensor under the chip, it's all built-in. The temperature should be more like 40C and the system should automatically shut down at about 80C, so 208C is definitely not right. What other things have people done when this data reported by healthd and mbmon are totally wacko? Michael Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 23:44:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B7C16A417 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E2813C455 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mkhitrov@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7643130waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:44:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=FIhz1oJfK1tN84pN2W+1Pw373rE+m/rLfOMqGGN3aGs=; b=rZfknm+lZ/CzrqlK9BA2APLd97GyFNICc+kbkT7NCdw0DJt9FGVuDw8onKCAkfQ7Z+r7entpSfJEu6rXu6UH78qSOL9nNGVWI0gsuhita+O2wwTEsFIVRyQmJqf+AR+WKitfEmnkbxeMQU+q4+ZmnfGuSvyZRpVoegj/GCckBjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o7V30r9VjNln8iLURBEZjqqMh1jHhFBWvvU18dspEiYyeojlES733dV4XEbi3zLBIJ9njEgcA4WQvhUjAKkg7yWcNsOzvbrYhwc36JkYBW9LyS2bcyePwMiAawJxv0oWMcBsyAVsh8LZX1guBFhDAfmUg4E9zw8AwEXjetQEmzw= Received: by 10.142.128.6 with SMTP id a6mr3498173wfd.135.1199058253326; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:44:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.242.11 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:44:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26ddd1750712301544q16eee11bt82cdcee0cf153afb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:44:13 -0500 From: "Maxim Khitrov" To: "Darren Spruell" In-Reply-To: <839aec700712300931l18d892dak3fe16175405fa65f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ddd1750712271246j14795cf3wf8e9727f0f7cc148@mail.gmail.com> <47744048.6020202@daleco.biz> <47752446.8090908@gmail.com> <26ddd1750712300852p5835e094nf20f85a9f8e0356d@mail.gmail.com> <839aec700712300931l18d892dak3fe16175405fa65f@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Rob , User Questions Subject: Re: Blocking undesirable domains using BIND X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:44:14 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 12:31 PM, Darren Spruell wrote: > On Dec 30, 2007 9:52 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > > > I was trying to do something similar. I didn't research too hard, but figured the only way to use Bind would be to make my server authoritative for all those domains, which meant a huge config file and potential overhead, as well as > > > possibly breaking access to desirable servers in the domains. > > > > > > So hosts seemed easier, but apparently Bind never looks at hosts. I did find that Squid (which I already had installed and in limited use) has its own DNS resolver, and it does look at hosts first before going to the nameserver. > > > > > > Then I found this site: http://everythingisnt.com/hosts.html and put their list in hosts, and now client PCs get a squid error in place of ad junk. Works ok for me ;) > > Well... you were right about overhead. In the last two days I wrote a > > script that would fetch a list of domains from several different > > sites, and output a valid BIND configuration file that could be > > included in the main config. I just ran the second test and the > > results are extremely poor. With only 27,885 blocked domains the > > server is now consuming 208 MB of ram. The first time I tried > > reloading the full list of domains (91,137 of them) and that nearly > > crashed my server. Had to kill bind, remove two of the largest > > sources, and try a second time. > > Nearly 100,000 zones on that server is a fairly impressive amount. > Give it credit for what you're trying to do. :) Nonetheless, crashing > is unacceptable. > > > Honestly, I can't figure out what BIND could possibly be using so much > > memory for. It's taking up about 7 KB for each zone. The zone file > > itself is not even 1 KB, and given that all the records are pointing > > to the exact same thing it seems to be needlessly wasting memory. In > > addition to that, if I comment out the blacklist config file and run > > rndc reload, it only frees up about 16 MB. So it doesn't even release > > memory when it is no longer needed. > > My experience, albeit with a smaller number of zones, is a bit different. > > First you need to account for main program memory and memory utilized > by the nameserver's cache, if any. You may also be running your own > authoritative zones which will add memory utilization outside of that. > You can't account for all of the utilized memory in your additional > blocking zones. > > Without my blocking zones loaded, I have 6 native zones on my > nameserver and the resident memory size of named is 2.2 MB. After a > fresh server startup, I expect minimum memory for cached records, so > that comes out to be about 375 KB/zone, unscientifically. If I restart > named (kill and start server fresh) with my blocking zones in the > config, I come out with 17239 zones and a resident process memory size > of 59 MB. (Unscientifically again,) this breaks down to about 3.5 > KB/zone. > > In my configuration, each of these blocking zones points to a simple > zone file 244B in size on disk: > > $TTL 86400 > @ IN SOA ns.local. admin.local. ( > 1 ; serial > 1h ; refresh > 30m ; retry > 7d ; expiration > 1h ) ; minimum > > IN NS ns.local. > > IN A 127.0.0.1 > * IN A 127.0.0.1 > > So all told, I seem to notice somewhat slimmer utilization than you > (roughly half the memory utilization per zone, and though I have 61% > as many zones loaded my named takes only 28% of the memory yours > does.) > > > It looks like my plan of using BIND for filtering purposes will not > > work. Given how poorly it performed on this test I'm actually inclined > > to try another name server to see if something else would be more > > memory-efficient. > > You will almost certainly find most of the popular alternatives to be > much more resource efficient. djbdns in particular would be my next > choice if memory efficiency and stability are concerns. > > DS > I was using the exact same zone file as you, one real master zone, and the three slave root zones from the default config. Not sure why it reacted as it did to the blacklist config, but I think I now found a perfect solution. This morning I played around with MaraDNS, which is actually a pretty good DNS server. One problem with it was that it didn't allow includes in the main config. That means that everything has to be in a single file and that's a bit messy. It did a lot better with memory usage, taking up about 70MB for 27 or 28 thousand domains, but still not great. I then installed dnsmasq, which is able to read domain info from the hosts file. Just for the fun of it, I loaded domains from all the sources I've gathered into a separate hosts file - a total of 155,150 entries. Dnsmasq loaded that file and has been running for several minutes now. It's currently taking up a total of 17MB! Now granted, it doesn't need to deal with whole zone files, but this still goes to show the level of efficiency that can be achieved in theory even with this many entries. Dnsmasq also provides a DHCP server, which was the next item on my to-configure list. Unfortunately, it can only forward DNS requests to an upstream server (like the one provided by your ISP). So here's what I'll do... BIND will stay, but only for the purposes of serving the root zones and my local zone file. I'll bring its caching to a minimum, and have it listen only on 127.0.0.1:54. Dnsmasq will then listen on *:53 and use BIND as its upstream server. It will be responsible for filtering domains and caching query results. BIND will serve the real zone files and resolve any queries received from dnsmasq. The memory usage for all DNS-related processes should be no more than 30MB and I have my filtering solution in place :) - Max From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 30 23:46:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A1416A418 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:46:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7159313C459 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:46:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michael.grant@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u52so8777760pyb.10 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:46:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=AARpbQdTEdnTfEsZsD1Y5hjViqqZgdhhGUVopmZrve0=; b=ZeuToze5xj1UbAb6Ea+0xQaMWmqWbc6hXlLkLspfVmgP3OSK4EXYwRlNaR693SzORalkVMV3EfzjILYf1i1ZfMwRSBLvckjDXrPAzzUSvWaa+9z8QEheS7ipTeKOFTUu7tGjqtfUHjI3nBrNi/Stkb+1/8SXKDjXqpSQVR6jq4w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=xaSTPslaO6Vack8eCR3SJ09sNbJMZ/UE0ZN2UO+2izQ4+8RzrFr+lZ6WTiVMjGCvvZeVfuxBiEaKZiz0D43rFGZKzIgr0SII1nCbBME3QVE5NvAURENTvch4j1DPXhwrEAbfl4jRhhgSvjWJxnFqmIY9WeFVQb/Jwb/dgHWiEvU= Received: by 10.65.156.2 with SMTP id i2mr23569704qbo.60.1199058401083; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.93.10 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:46:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <62b856460712301546w17870914lf795e67ef65bb33a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:46:41 +0100 From: "Michael Grant" Sender: michael.grant@gmail.com To: "FreeBSD Questions" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4a3e19257edfe343 Subject: bash and $LANG and meta-key bindings X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:46:42 -0000 I upgraded from 6.2 to 6.3-prerelease and I noticed something very strange with bash (or perhaps readline). I have had for many hears this in my .bash_login: export LANG=en_US.ISO8859-15 This makes 8-bit characters come out as accented characters instead of character codes like . However, with the upgrade to 6.3pre, something has changed. Same bash binary. If I set $LANG like this, certain meta-bindings like this do not work: bind '"\M-p": history-search-backward' bind '"\M-n": history-search-forward' Before the upgrade, m-p would go to the previous command or the previous command like the one that was partially typed in. Now, it produces a : prompt. If I remove the LANG setting from my .bash_login, it works fine. So either I can have proper accented characters or I can have working meta key bindings with bash (and readline), but not both. Anyone know of a fix for this? Am I setting LANG in the wrong place? I have tried putting these bindings into my .inputrc but that didn't help. Michael Grant From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 02:45:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163A716A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:45:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB53C13C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:45:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBV2GrGv031483 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:16:53 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:16:53 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200712241005.45959.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <539c60b90712270035m591d1709g107e48fff9d9caee@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <539c60b90712270035m591d1709g107e48fff9d9caee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712302016.53770.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: remote x session X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:45:25 -0000 On Thursday 27 December 2007 02:35:05 am Steve Franks wrote: > Perhaps I misunderstand, but I use x11vnc on the 'server' and > vncviewer or tightvnc on the 'client'. There are several pages to > google on tunneling it thru ssh, and it's much better with latency > than sending x iteslf over ssh, I'm told. If you start x11vnc with no > options, it will export the current session/desktop, but there is a > switch to have it spawn a new x session also. All the other vnc ports > only spawn new sessions, and I usually use it to help my wife fix > problems when I'm away at the office ;) > > Best, > Steve well ultimately, im looking for something that i can operate a headless server with. the server itself wouldnt be pre-logged into any x session (be it kde, gnome, xfce or whatever), so thats why im trying to get its x session into a window of my local desktop. i need to read up on x11vnc, and if it would do that, then i would open to looking at that to fill my need. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd08 _@_ dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 03:00:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDF916A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:00:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0784E13C45B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:00:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phatbuckett@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7743458waf.3 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:00:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YzO6Pi4IrCdHndrYw4iqjBpKf6xIaU1acrEst0uOumw=; b=rDy9qDoVry8WB9mSEyrnFEbPce3xd+2BMCSJ3Zd1Bnj5U7EBMw0HztYqiuZuF+4ThkTpf7iDKO5BA4yTKF2glPrG8MB0CqCG/S8VHVOR5dE/O4T4hrhtIfqcf4X3Pd+ps3HWj6Wv3Kf7NtJp3LD2ed51X786ojiRV0ESN+qN2Fg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bkS5qwm9FqcGHhreWnDG+5wVhCtRbKAysI6IbuAYIfap0ZRye3CMSPlwczMV2bhvcK6nyjLUfxH9EXhKl4kaIOY/1xsGXF+Q/RAY5jobVyhM7fEHrWDuIlbQ0vxzvNzrmAOvtCl3ztwGytHxxC12mp/Z1ml+WidSIDpRB2JQ2OI= Received: by 10.115.76.1 with SMTP id d1mr12299376wal.108.1199070027644; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.47.12 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:00:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <839aec700712301900u5dbde37pb310cefe8c735aee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:00:27 -0700 From: "Darren Spruell" To: "Jonathan Horne" In-Reply-To: <200712302016.53770.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200712241005.45959.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <539c60b90712270035m591d1709g107e48fff9d9caee@mail.gmail.com> <200712302016.53770.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remote x session X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:00:28 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007 7:16 PM, Jonathan Horne wrote: > On Thursday 27 December 2007 02:35:05 am Steve Franks wrote: > > Perhaps I misunderstand, but I use x11vnc on the 'server' and > > vncviewer or tightvnc on the 'client'. There are several pages to > > google on tunneling it thru ssh, and it's much better with latency > > than sending x iteslf over ssh, I'm told. If you start x11vnc with no > > options, it will export the current session/desktop, but there is a > > switch to have it spawn a new x session also. All the other vnc ports > > only spawn new sessions, and I usually use it to help my wife fix > > problems when I'm away at the office ;) > > > > Best, > > Steve > > well ultimately, im looking for something that i can operate a headless server > with. the server itself wouldnt be pre-logged into any x session (be it kde, > gnome, xfce or whatever), so thats why im trying to get its x session into a > window of my local desktop. There is the XDMCP option, which allows you to remotely connect to an X display manager for full, remote display sessions. This isn't regarded to be a secure solution by most people. If your remote system is a server, do you have a need for remote desktop access? If you have one or two X applications on the remote server, could you just get by with SSH X11 forwarding to access those applications from your management station's display? DS From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 03:33:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A5E16A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: from hs-out-2122.google.com (hs-out-0708.google.com [64.233.178.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE49D13C448 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from anujhere@gmail.com) Received: by hs-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id j58so3613539hsj.11 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:33:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=d2KmejaplxvGeA6v0E4JFgPXH9C+WJqA2lTV3fJJxBM=; b=MwTM2RgdAAGQ2FRkfTCUIeDO0MMxusUWOM4Ih/bPKOD2j8T0osudBHbuEgOZWnaWHJj8nj9/A6+0mCaF2pO50f19R2yevu6YYS3FXq5bH+3Cu5N+HytJiNf2szTFmNIY+dC6GxtTlG09gwEZhyzx5YKJNTznUNoTe/36dwZCHmw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ueuf/w9MnCFrnAPM8J++20SL+melMX+cSxbJ/fHXZ0brtifgZjNtMsWOeZJMpIvc+jTa1IIGskgYJxeUrg0rKmzgsFPkqvDMtIAdh0NsGpA4okQpaV0oqa+0T2aPxqGPDKsJGDBwkORX1mBSwnKCDUD7vy/eSvIkXHDZrNgezyU= Received: by 10.150.134.7 with SMTP id h7mr3195321ybd.103.1199071988911; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:33:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.57.11 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:33:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3120c9e30712301933o5792709bw68afd5db469a3d31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:03:08 +0530 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?=E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C_Anuj_Singh?=" To: jery In-Reply-To: <4778851F.7020006@korn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <3120c9e30712300536j6cb10e33rb0dc55834a74e4d6@mail.gmail.com> <14989d6e0712300849k58d23055kf32ab529eda9b52@mail.gmail.com> <3120c9e30712300933m4ebbfecbudef3a1120b0c3539@mail.gmail.com> <4778851F.7020006@korn.net> Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:33:10 -0000 On Dec 31, 2007 11:28 AM, jery wrote: > ???? wrote: > > I want to install rhel5 on same hard disk. Freebsd6.2 slice is on > > primary partition , second OS is Fedora 7, 3rd is rhel4 (want to fresh > > install rhel5 over rhel4) . > > I can see freebsd mentioned in my rhel partitioning section, most > > likely linux does not have support for freebsd slice. > > Last time too I had do format my FreeBSD just for RHEL4/Fedora, and I > > dont want to format FreeBSD just to install linux. Is there some > > method to avoid formatting FreeBSD every time I fresh install linux? I > > have two disks , second disk I use for saving data. > > > > > > Thanks and Regards > > Anuj Singh "anugunj". > > > > > > > > On Dec 30, 2007 10:19 PM, Christian Walther wrote: > > > >> Hi there, > >> > >> > >> On 30/12/2007, ???? wrote: > >> > >>> Hello , > >>> I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. > >>> I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I get an > >>> error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition > >>> layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. > >>> Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 > >>> (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation > >>> > >> Do you want to install rhel5 on a different disk than your FreeBSD > >> installation is located on? In this case I would just remove the disk > >> (unplug the cable) during the installation. > >> > >> HTH > >> Christian > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > hello, > > Install/upgrade rhel5 on the rhel4 partition. i have done that and i > never had to format FreeBsd partition for a > fresh linux installation. i am running Debian Gnu/Linux,rhel5,and > FreeBSD on the same hard disk,i have installed rhel5 many time's without > formatting Freebsd partition. > Hi, 1. I am trying to fresh install over single disk. 2. I have FreeBSD6.2 slice on first primary partition of the disk. can I have a look at your partition table ? I have IDE hard disk. Regards. Anuj singh "anugunj" > > jery > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 04:06:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BC216A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2531213C46B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBV46ggb080163 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:06:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:06:42 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200712241005.45959.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <200712302016.53770.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> <839aec700712301900u5dbde37pb310cefe8c735aee@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <839aec700712301900u5dbde37pb310cefe8c735aee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712302206.42479.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: remote x session X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:06:45 -0000 On Sunday 30 December 2007 09:00:27 pm Darren Spruell wrote: > There is the XDMCP option, which allows you to remotely connect to an > X display manager for full, remote display sessions. This isn't > regarded to be a secure solution by most people. > > If your remote system is a server, do you have a need for remote > desktop access? If you have one or two X applications on the remote > server, could you just get by with SSH X11 forwarding to access those > applications from your management station's display? > > DS well, the part i didnt mention before, was the method behind the madness. its actually a jail-host, with 3 jails running. my intention, is to keep the latest of kde, gnome, and xfce built on each, and just remotely attach to (or forward) its x session from my main workstation. i vision it basically working just like when i sit down to my workstation, and type 'startx'. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 04:27:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF2516A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:27:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com (out4.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E5013C448 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:27:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF4D5A6B6 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:27:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:27:21 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: vXv0aofzX39fzLNfUZXruV/NaNBtqSpKuxBWWawjr+2M 1199075240 Received: from hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EC024E59 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:27:20 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <542F8326-4A77-42AA-9FFF-CB8C6AD8756A@goldmark.org> From: Jeffrey Goldberg To: User questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:27:19 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Subject: How to not start syslogd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:27:21 -0000 I've installed and configured syslog-ng from ports and no longer wish to have the standard syslogd run. Putting syslogd_enable="NO" into /etc/rc.conf did not prevent it from starting. Of course I can see lots of ways of preventing syslogd from starting. I could remove the binary, I could remove /etc/rc.d/syslogd, but I would like to know if there is a recommended, easy to undo, and update resistant way of doing this. Thanks, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 04:30:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C83516A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thenudnik@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FE613C448 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:30:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thenudnik@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c14so931647anc.13 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:30:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3yspP7DC2i/JmrudXpHwO3Qe6SBhVEKiGQ1hkREcxig=; b=HytFqCuW8THc9aodo+kbYtkIsQ2WC4RGO4O9NYu/y1l1sia8alTTH2y1mdZhnKDOiVbUWDVVIwSoGa2b3vhGhEYxzbN3l3zqR5CAUcMWPMrMWYOHu9kESuxnr48aAM91BHuH+FRe0Ex6CX38EnhqEScZXTT9e+EOyHnRORbRJTU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=P6pKGmwW6HDZDNRX/sx6VXVFf9/YZnswsmvTMm1pFd40rP3MrPwowNnfp2ya5BeINEnfw0SaDcm9/WETgAuq+HGf49NwzN9h+BkmpI3hB7zTD3hlQss6hW8dOcRn0FcC7HLevMH4D/jdUu2Uj6fYhqJcVKv06zkuSHW0Ze+sFD4= Received: by 10.100.207.5 with SMTP id e5mr24929229ang.6.1199075407225; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [71.52.21.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e76sm9481934hse.11.2007.12.30.20.30.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:30:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4778704D.40804@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:30:05 -0500 From: "David M. Patronis" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071022) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Auto-shutdown of Hard Drive with 6.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:30:08 -0000 I have 6.2 installed on an ancient AT machine. I'd like to have the OS shut off the hard drive when I halt the system from the KDE interface. What do I edit, and what code do I use to achieve this? David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 04:44:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B2816A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4EB13C43E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:44:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-127-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.127.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 530CCEBC3B; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:44:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:44:32 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Jeffrey Goldberg Message-Id: <20071230234432.3389a010.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <542F8326-4A77-42AA-9FFF-CB8C6AD8756A@goldmark.org> References: <542F8326-4A77-42AA-9FFF-CB8C6AD8756A@goldmark.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: User questions Subject: Re: How to not start syslogd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:44:36 -0000 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > > I've installed and configured syslog-ng from ports and no longer wish > to have the standard syslogd run. > > Putting > > syslogd_enable="NO" > > into /etc/rc.conf did not prevent it from starting. The above works on every system I've done it to (which is quite a few). I suspect you've either got a typo in your rc.conf, or a corrupt/nonstandard /etc/rc.d/syslogd file, or some other oddity preventing it from working. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 05:33:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C59516A420; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abi@e-arroyo.net) Received: from ocean.hostingzoom.com (ocean.hostingzoom.com [209.51.135.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2577B13C447; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from abi@e-arroyo.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=36626 helo=www.e-arroyo.net) by ocean.hostingzoom.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J9CD3-0002w2-RM; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:25:06 -0600 Received: from 76.204.179.142 ([76.204.179.142]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user abi@e-arroyo.net) by www.e-arroyo.net with HTTP; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:25:05 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <43986.76.204.179.142.1199075105.squirrel@www.e-arroyo.net> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:25:05 -0600 (CST) From: abi@e-arroyo.net To: hostmaster@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ocean.hostingzoom.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - e-arroyo.net Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Why aren't more secure download options offered? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:33:47 -0000 Hello FreeBSD representative, I am new to the FreeBSD community. In the past I have typically installed a linux variant in my home systems, but recently decided to give FreeBSD a try since I could not find a distribution that fit my needs. I believe that fbsd is a good platform, but have found some areas that I'd like to point out. They are both rooted in the idea of a secure file transfer and file validation. Why isn't checksum information provided for packages? These are found in this directory: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/ I can't seem to find any documentation anywhere. These are for all of the .tbz packages. The information is provided for every file except for these. Also, instead of the ftp protocol, why don't you offer download options like https? I am sure that many people are interested in such an option. I have ordered a CD for the toolkit, and want to verify the checksums online. Thanks, Abiron Arroyo abi@e-arroyo.net From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 06:43:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60DF16A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AED613C44B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from homedcfc9a526e (ool-44c03822.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.56.34]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JTW007TIHAK88L0@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:13:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:13:30 -0500 From: "E. J. Cerejo" To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <000a01c84b74$44e77c50$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Boot menu damaged X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:43:35 -0000 I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling xp and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run "fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0" it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot> prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or do I have to reinstall freebsd? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 06:47:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A63F16A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:47:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AC313C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:47:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from homedcfc9a526e (ool-44c03822.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.56.34]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JTW002YTHHTAN40@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:17:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:17:51 -0500 From: "E. J. Cerejo" To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <000701c84b74$dfc15ca0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Cc: Subject: Boot Menu Damaged X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:47:59 -0000 I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling xp and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run "fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0" it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot> prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or do I have to reinstall freebsd? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 08:00:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C54016A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:00:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wahjava@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B941D13C459 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:00:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wahjava@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so7896428waf.3 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:00:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-face:x-attribution:x-os:x-os-version:x-os-architecture:x-uptime:face:organization:pgp:x-pgp:x-pgp-fp:user-agent:sender; bh=xUOijxg9pm2xuNzKizV3ulh0QpMU/XijBbzDELrRJ+w=; b=CJNttE5IInPSP/3VXXDrVqjsE4DT3CML3KvVTSoT3PdkCAgNLG6BLvoXhucE5sYZHq72GOCTMDj200zsWgGjtxeHSsDY7cm9FYTsna5bbwI46YjVBtcemvJMzZlmFa1Vhwbo3VbjO3qzmjGB87d4lb+DU418/F+Bxa8/4HYnzvM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-face:x-attribution:x-os:x-os-version:x-os-architecture:x-uptime:face:organization:pgp:x-pgp:x-pgp-fp:user-agent:sender; b=BuqQrjnLPMeuMlQ49niei/Hl7tl/uThRK1QWDEsJjaar7kT4D5PHv9LmX18+wm0GsHzr7JEIKQ6u17mV17pR4qAoJbnVnFC/GjlYDce36Hyj1S21JFr8fJYGbyz3Pyt4yWw6ZgyqnCuAs4+erK7MMzOfP9m/zSLO1FyUol13+7o= Received: by 10.114.61.1 with SMTP id j1mr13006678waa.62.1199088020395; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:00:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from chateau.d.lf ( [122.162.54.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y25sm19348948pod.8.2007.12.31.00.00.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:00:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:29:52 +0530 From: =?utf-8?B?4KSG4KS24KWA4KS3IOCktuClgeCkleCljeCksg==?= Ashish Shukla To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071231075952.GA6687@chateau.d.lf> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3120c9e30712300536j6cb10e33rb0dc55834a74e4d6@mail.gmail.com> <14989d6e0712300849k58d23055kf32ab529eda9b52@mail.gmail.com> <3120c9e30712300933m4ebbfecbudef3a1120b0c3539@mail.gmail.com> <4778851F.7020006@korn.net> <3120c9e30712301933o5792709bw68afd5db469a3d31@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30712301933o5792709bw68afd5db469a3d31@mail.gmail.com> X-Face: "\:nMpJ)EA!j>2nEu-[(+&o:N+CtL^AS\, Jv*LO5qBr#W2.\=d Subject: Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:00:21 -0000 --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ,--[ On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:03:08AM +0530, =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81= =E0=A4=9C Anuj Singh wrote: [snipped] | > >> On 30/12/2007, ???? wrote: | > >> | > >>> Hello , | > >>> I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. | > >>> I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process starts I ge= t an | > >>> error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about partition | > >>> layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. | > >>> Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/hdc1 | > >>> (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation You get /dev/hdc1 busy error. At which step in installation, you get /dev/hdc1 busy error, hmm...? Are you trying to remove '/dev/hdc1' (FreeBSD slice), if yes, then you'll get error, and you probably need to remove FreeBSD partitions (present in slice) first. [snipped] | Hi, | 1. I am trying to fresh install over single disk. | 2. I have FreeBSD6.2 slice on first primary partition of the disk. There should be absolutely no problem in installing RHEL5, even GNU/Linux can read FreeBSD disklabels (and partitions) without any problem :) . =20 | can I have a look at your partition table ? Here is mine, I'm running Ubuntu Linux, which is installed after FreeBSD. Disk /dev/sdb: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders Units =3D cylinders of 16065 * 512 =3D 8225280 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00083e09 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1 * 1 2611 20972826 a5 FreeBSD /dev/sdb2 2612 9229 53159085 83 Linux /dev/sdb3 9230 9254 200812 83 Linux Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary. /dev/sdb4 9255 19457 81955597+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sdb5 9255 15373 49150836 83 Linux /dev/sdb6 15374 19329 31776538+ 83 Linux /dev/sdb7 19330 19457 1028128+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris | I have IDE hard disk. Mine is SATA disk, but that should make no difference :) | Regards. | Anuj singh "anugunj" HTH --=20 Ashish Shukla =E0=A4=86=E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B7 =E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=81=E0=A4= =95=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=B2 http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ =C2=B7-- =C2=B7- =C2=B7=C2=B7=C2=B7=C2=B7 =C2=B7--- =C2=B7- =C2=B7=C2=B7=C2= =B7- =C2=B7- =C2=B7--=C2=B7-=C2=B7 --=C2=B7 -- =C2=B7- =C2=B7=C2=B7 =C2=B7-= =C2=B7=C2=B7 =C2=B7-=C2=B7-=C2=B7- -=C2=B7-=C2=B7 --- -- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeKF4Hy+EEHYuXnQRAoESAJ9FzMVHi5oftStuzXlkMxMKBssGoQCfWU3/ bxDw94Ti+orbLLN0QfCrHU4= =WQeY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YiEDa0DAkWCtVeE4-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 09:30:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138CC16A41B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60E7E13C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Dec 2007 09:30:50 -0000 Received: from ip176-173-59-62.adsl.versatel.nl (EHLO Rena.FStaals.net) [62.59.173.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp053) with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 10:30:50 +0100 X-Authenticated: #25365336 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX187ojgFsbw7FjSrYnI0qauCmWmzjpipKLOnCFFsh7 5LJhDDgqKwsa86 Message-ID: <4778B677.2030803@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:29:27 +0100 From: Frank Staals User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071224) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Horne References: <200712241005.45959.freebsd@dfwlp.com> <200712302016.53770.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> <839aec700712301900u5dbde37pb310cefe8c735aee@mail.gmail.com> <200712302206.42479.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> In-Reply-To: <200712302206.42479.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: remote x session X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:30:53 -0000 Jonathan Horne wrote: > well, the part i didnt mention before, was the method behind the > madness. its > actually a jail-host, with 3 jails running. my intention, is to keep the > latest of kde, gnome, and xfce built on each, and just remotely attach to (or > forward) its x session from my main workstation. i vision it basically > working just like when i sit down to my workstation, and type 'startx'. > > cheers, > Hmmm well may I ask why you want such a setup ? The only advantages I can see are to keep your main-workstation free of the builds for your WMs and the fact that your main system remains somewhat cleaner. But I doubt it will weigh up against the time-costs for your X11 forwarding ? Or am I missing something ? Regards, -- -Frank Staals From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 10:16:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4736F16A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE02913C469 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net lBVAGbCA096803 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1199096203; bh=ahjyPayNfpTO4iHB9frCCDXG3Z67k05n05s1l8qxp /A=; l=579; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cx3MUpDdhBe sCxgaMZSiklszmdUe1iUCZveeHAhCvFrBOLfbD9dbH7nCEN6vTj8/hwQFc5kIkOv/lS Ci/JINJW5K2ssh3UTChrwm4vhS3+7CVDodhAMS/udLwB5p0hwwNcX1g5Go6/oRxn93Q bHNo0awf4nax8jzFH0a5Ylxsd0= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-222-80.eunet.yu [213.198.222.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVAGbCA096803 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:44 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: "E. J. Cerejo" Message-ID: <20071231111644.5946d937@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <000701c84b74$dfc15ca0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> References: <000701c84b74$dfc15ca0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:16:45 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:17:51 -0500 "E. J. Cerejo" wrote: =20 > I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after > reinstalling xp and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd > and run "fdisk -B -b /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0" it restored it but when I > boot I get the mountroot> prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. > Is it possible to fix this or do I have to reinstall freebsd?=20 What does 'bsdlabel /dev/ad0s2' say? --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 :: =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0=B5= =D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 10:45:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB61A16A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.169]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C90A13C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so2926748uge.37 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:45:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=x0PU+ZsoAqTy3JWKEnz7tfIEDMywc9Rj0QAl1gDVeQ4=; b=D5ks/SvqedZsWxtOt4bK9hvyN2WzMng2i9UUkDuUu+dQFJEfMNcu8W8zdoINTT8JcQueCr0FHjWbOGktHcU4PQNp2PJ4LfXnN9740JSb8avSnQQvtTpKd80dnGyOA4muwFlYpiXzfQA1EAPe++E44VVhjh137Pt3KILRPGEhb24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=E3ncyERGbg2Z/2Lxezs6cgwA6OsefaZsH1uPRQtlwmFObzDfQiIghHCQKn0KkLIW4JaW+v88MrDUvpgcimVEJHIsGSWrEP0OswOa9LX3pXakY/TsSGPuAyHlD0S7UYWv8Mj+8Uvpx2enj2seJCvfifhCW0bhathAK/R7Z4ayZ+M= Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr11668797ugh.9.1199096463308; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:21:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.30.16 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:21:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e671c830712310221s53aa0181g849d10baf974cae1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:03 +0100 From: "Seth Brundle" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:45:57 -0000 Hi list, I'm in the mid of migrating my workstation from OpenBSD/amd64 to FreeBSD/amd64. I have three hard discs installed in it (two identical 250GByte SATA300, and one 500GByte SATA300 drive). When still running OpenBSD, I copied all data I want to transfer to the 500GByte drive; I plan to run the two 250GByte HDs as RAID1 when running FreeBSD. Prior to installing FreeBSD on this machine, I grabbed the 500GByte HD (with one single OpenBSD FFS partition on it, 'wd2a' in OpenBSD speak) and tried to mount it on a FreeBSD machine. Unfortunately, this doesn't work, but I'm pretty sure it should. I probably don't use the right parameter: # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) Help greatly appreciated -- thank you! Seth From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 10:46:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BABD16A477 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F62F13C458 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp5-162.adsl.forthnet.gr [62.1.228.162]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lBVAkHaZ031974 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:46:26 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVAkGI7001930; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:46:16 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBVAkFe2001929; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:46:15 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:46:15 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Markus Hoenicka Message-ID: <20071231104614.GA1761@kobe.laptop> References: <18295.55864.740395.631672@yeti.mininet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <18295.55864.740395.631672@yeti.mininet> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.043, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.36, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dlopen(), atexit() on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:36 -0000 On 2007-12-30 18:49, Markus Hoenicka wrote: > Hi, > I bumped into a platform-specific problem when using the Firebird > database client library in a dlopen()ed module on FreeBSD. libdbi > (http://libdbi.sourceforge.net) is a database abstraction layer which > dlopen()s available database drivers at runtime to provide > connectivity to various database engines. This design works without > problems on a variety of platforms and with a variety of database > client libraries, but causes a segfault with Firebird on FreeBSD: > > #0 0x28514fe4 in ?? () > #1 0x281507c3 in __cxa_finalize () from /lib/libc.so.6 > #2 0x281503fe in exit () from /lib/libc.so.6 > #3 0x0804a40f in main (argc=1, argv=0xbfbfe754) at test_dbi.c:419 > > The application crashes when exit() is called. Googling told me that > __cxa_finalize () is invoked by atexit(). Our drivers and apps do not > use this function, but the firebird client libraries do: > > markus@yeti:~/prog/libdbi-drivers/tests# grep atexit /usr/local/lib/libfb* > Binary file /usr/local/lib/libfbclient.so matches > Binary file /usr/local/lib/libfbembed.so matches > > Googling also told me that the conflict between atexit() and dlopen() > on FreeBSD is a known problem, see e.g.: > > http://www.imagemagick.org/pipermail/magick-developers/2006-March/002523.html > > Is there anything I can do about this from my end? The __cxa_finalize() function is not called by atexit(), but by exit() itself. I don't know of any way to `unregister' exit handlers, so one way of `fixing' this is to avoid calling dlclose() before exit() in the example code shown at the URL above: % #include % #include % % int main( int argc, char ** argv) % { % void * handle; % const char * mod = "/usr/local/lib/libMagick.so"; % void (*InitializeMagick)(const char*); % % handle = dlopen( mod, RTLD_LAZY); % if ( !handle) { % fprintf( stderr, "cannot load %s\n", mod); % exit(1); % } % % (void*) InitializeMagick = dlsym( handle, "InitializeMagick"); % if ( !InitializeMagick) { % fprintf( stderr, "cannot resolve InitializeMagick\n"); % exit(1); % } % % InitializeMagick( "moo"); % dlclose( handle); % } Since the program is going to exit and have all its dlopened shared objects be unmapped, it's probably ok to skip the dlclose() step in this example. In the case of the firebird libraries, since they are libraries things are a bit trickier, because the consumers of these libraries don't really know that a dlopened object has called atexit() :( I think this is probably something that the freebsd-hackers list will be interested in. Can you post a description of the problem there too? - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 10:58:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE5E16A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:58:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F6F113C45D for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so2928337uge.37 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:58:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LL9UCnWMX2vfO+7/aT1PHZAcISgoVpJ8padVhcBwPto=; b=iVgBmqC6N9ONqmMBJQahwuPfEwxMYuUieqzwHj00z3zIbELNQHaxiEsZDaEkQe1o2IW8wfSITKk3L3eTd5Q9U2tF4auOKdOmM8LHExRWs5etkkkTX66B+fsmoVXaHOwIGTCEKO9+n8bqmwuBcUEvtSneRgjR0z93aoMMfTe7dYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=xy2bvtv6omMtZbRySFfjQYKSpaIq5HwUg78USzh5wMDX8ZQrB75gRFVZI4dYQeuFWTRYMJw4Qs2jXJVKbQ5K1Owtp3P4mf3oPG5Ws/QEOx6RPk9/wYrStUYoH5yyxiLM5XacJyitAS1feqtNXNcM4Q92Yte7vE2aK/cZMl5+tnU= Received: by 10.67.106.13 with SMTP id i13mr11810216ugm.49.1199098697264; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:58:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.30.16 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:58:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e671c830712310258q42c7bc59h913bc3a5fd9c1814@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:17 +0100 From: "Seth Brundle" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9e671c830712310221s53aa0181g849d10baf974cae1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e671c830712310221s53aa0181g849d10baf974cae1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:58:19 -0000 [Second try, first email disappeared in the way to the list server...?] Hi list, I'm in the mid of migrating my workstation from OpenBSD/amd64 to FreeBSD/amd64. I have three hard discs installed in it (two identical 250GByte SATA300, and one 500GByte SATA300 drive). When still running OpenBSD, I copied all data I want to transfer to the 500GByte drive; I plan to run the two 250GByte HDs as RAID1 when running FreeBSD. Prior to installing FreeBSD on this machine, I grabbed the 500GByte HD (with one single OpenBSD FFS partition on it, 'wd2a' in OpenBSD speak) and tried to mount it on a FreeBSD machine. Unfortunately, this doesn't work, but I'm pretty sure it should. I probably don't use the right parameter: # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) Help greatly appreciated -- thank you! Seth From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 11:11:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F0116A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C29D13C448 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.4.1 anthesphoria.net lBVBBkSZ055972 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1199099511; bh=R+0iR8CQXUu1WahTUuxkArs//yiBwkxrFK+D3lHC8 iU=; l=564; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G/27CeiCHMz HKXAQ0Je9dr/gNO8xgkV0pVJ+uB324X+JLLyD5bZctz2iQVuwvYMUzZCpPHA1MNfBdp i7gW+4Uog5yyGQoTQpq2CKDy+uuoixnmU6HW9xUa7xwkFxSQpBfCHBaDKYLp8WQR8j5 egpQla5CgQHaHOSBC0qQewhSmk= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-222-80.eunet.yu [213.198.222.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVBBkSZ055972 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:11:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:11:51 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: "Seth Brundle" Message-ID: <20071231121151.2465216a@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <9e671c830712310258q42c7bc59h913bc3a5fd9c1814@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e671c830712310221s53aa0181g849d10baf974cae1@mail.gmail.com> <9e671c830712310258q42c7bc59h913bc3a5fd9c1814@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:11:52 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:17 +0100 "Seth Brundle" wrote: =20 [...] > # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ > mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory >=20 > (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD would > show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) (The disk area occupied by OpenBSD is a slice, whilst BSD-style chunk(s) within are partitions.) Is it possible to mount it just with 'mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt'? --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 :: =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0=B5= =D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 11:16:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536316A468 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D943913C4CC for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b27so7131443fka.11 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:16:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1UJPkMAVhXACbe5L+NKhSmpQpkCbXlzAclT4Uz21x9U=; b=jwNAq7GZhSbadfbgYG9G9/RUvmXzTx1k+Qe+Q8LLHTWjO4qV9EduIzZBiHxdow0Xah4Xl4EulPHxdlnl/1Um69wlhLUbalH6/qlR5PwGLEYNCHnTOWya27C1PDOphJjhoWGhCgMtZX5ycwUcL+5dCk0/lG0Yo7hjdHyz04RaHX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CzsBbureszhLtlrmvrpPMuIzPf/xDEHY/DnabZLsN1B8coLf2oIYi7tzWLGHzs27ZDpVcOeMpque7UhyMhhMSUVY0OTlni41WXOG310MbsqpKMSKzwYgiovEGF3K6ZNWHLPVayfR1vaNoeq7gUxWtjWsNzkGgWzs3a0qRfhWuoc= Received: by 10.78.200.3 with SMTP id x3mr14692415huf.0.1199099811413; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.30.16 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:16:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e671c830712310316u4845ca8er5e6f63b7ae5c9990@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:16:50 +0100 From: "Seth Brundle" To: "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nikola_Le=E8i=E6?=" In-Reply-To: <20071231121151.2465216a@anthesphoria.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e671c830712310221s53aa0181g849d10baf974cae1@mail.gmail.com> <9e671c830712310258q42c7bc59h913bc3a5fd9c1814@mail.gmail.com> <20071231121151.2465216a@anthesphoria.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:37:02 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:16:50 +0100 "Seth Brundle" wrote: =20 > 2007/12/31, Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 : > > > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:58:17 +0100 > > "Seth Brundle" wrote: > > > > [...] > > > # mount /dev/ad8s1a /mnt/ > > > mount: /dev/ad8s1a : No such file or directory > > > > > > (I thought that the first -- and only -- partition on OpenBSD > > > would show up as 'slice 1' on FreeBSD.) > > > > (The disk area occupied by OpenBSD is a slice, whilst BSD-style > > chunk(s) within are partitions.) > > > > Is it possible to mount it just with 'mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt'? >=20 >=20 >=20 > Thanks for your fast reply; >=20 > # mount /dev/ad8s1 /mnt > mount: /dev/ad8s1 : No such file or directory >=20 > Also tried this before, doesn't work. The main problem for me is that > I don't know the way the OpenBSD disc appears to FreeBSD, > layout-wise. A ``disklabel ad8'' to have a peek also doesn't work: Ah sorry, I misunderstood you; the ad8 is dedicated to OpenBSD in its entirety? In that case I'm pretty sure that, in standard cases, it should be possible to mounted it as /dev/ad8. (Yes, you wrote that it's seen as wd2a from OpenBSD.) (Btw, what does 'ls /dev/ad*' show?) =20 > # disklabel ad8 > disklabel: /dev/ad8: no valid label found This is expected, BSD labels are not compatible among BSDs: The various BSDs all use slightly different versions of BSD labels and are not generally compatible. (from bsdlabel(8) manpage). That's why you can't (by default) see BSD labels created by another BSD. However, I know that first partition of a NetBSD slice/disk can be mounted from FreeBSD _without_ partition-letter addition (e.g. ad8 will represent what you would expect to be ad8a -- it the disk is "dedicated" -- and ad8s1 will represent what you would expect to be ad8s1a -- if the disk is sliced), but maybe OpenBSD does something differently. --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 :: =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0=B5= =D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 11:44:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E427516A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED3013C4CC for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:44:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cdanza335@googlemail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so2934582uge.37 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:44:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yCTayQ62da2ms5GtJI54Le5nw9C6Z6IRkfZ5dDkopno=; b=x0/+GXWUiQQv3PtRoD7EoLv55T+7ogP+MLn83eST9F7delpDtBWE6XorXCimMMeaU/8kGlgHEr2ctYjqecVFVe7K+eNTQkYdlS4eBel2d3LakMm4ByZ+E/KMwu4YMhaGTfhC8EhU6UYgzgydSybx/KUgEaLywkwjPrDEubgYJqc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=vq/kXh2TmFaQIBTJGtiNqejQPTtBv916MuoChiUTSbWf2wFNvILjMAbblfwa7x+naBKrjZaaPnPiZRDpqgfgK9r7cG1ELMQ2nXw80qKwWJQscUumarE4sqVv0HoD7zOfuQmEnmgCc0Ut5/1tl0MLxGOnf69JN2iaomVHcwSPYp0= Received: by 10.67.106.13 with SMTP id i13mr11848300ugm.49.1199101473810; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:44:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.30.16 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:44:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9e671c830712310344v1fb92240t13bf4981ff1d85e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:44:33 +0100 From: "Seth Brundle" To: "=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nikola_Le=E8i=E6?=" In-Reply-To: <20071231123702.38506dc8@anthesphoria.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9e671c830712310221s53aa0181g849d10baf974cae1@mail.gmail.com> <9e671c830712310258q42c7bc59h913bc3a5fd9c1814@mail.gmail.com> <20071231121151.2465216a@anthesphoria.net> <9e671c830712310316u4845ca8er5e6f63b7ae5c9990@mail.gmail.com> <20071231123702.38506dc8@anthesphoria.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD? 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Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:51:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:52:02 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: "Seth Brundle" Message-ID: <20071231125202.5427a6e2@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <9e671c830712310344v1fb92240t13bf4981ff1d85e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e671c830712310221s53aa0181g849d10baf974cae1@mail.gmail.com> <9e671c830712310258q42c7bc59h913bc3a5fd9c1814@mail.gmail.com> <20071231121151.2465216a@anthesphoria.net> <9e671c830712310316u4845ca8er5e6f63b7ae5c9990@mail.gmail.com> <20071231123702.38506dc8@anthesphoria.net> <9e671c830712310344v1fb92240t13bf4981ff1d85e3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it possible to mount OpenBSD FFS partitions in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:52:02 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:44:33 +0100 "Seth Brundle" wrote: =20 > # ls /dev/ad* > /dev/ad4 /dev/ad4s1b /dev/ad4s1e /dev/ad6 > /dev/ad4s1 /dev/ad4s1c /dev/ad4s1f /dev/ad6s4 > /dev/ad4s1a /dev/ad4s1d /dev/ad4s1g /dev/ad8 Just for the record, 'mount /dev/ad8 /mnt' works? --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 :: =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0=B5= =D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 12:07:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E00716A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mon.si@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A196D13C455 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mon.si@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 2389 invoked by uid 0); 31 Dec 2007 12:07:02 -0000 Received: from 85.25.141.60 by www022.gmx.net with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:07:02 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:07:02 +0100 From: "Mon Si" In-Reply-To: <20071230180415.bvf80bd6hsgk48cc@www.boosten.org> Message-ID: <20071231120702.203150@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20071228175444.93100@gmx.net> <477544BC.4070009@math.missouri.edu> <584BD35A-01ED-495C-B579-1507C0444E3E@gmail.com> <20071230180415.bvf80bd6hsgk48cc@www.boosten.org> To: Peter Boosten , mnslinky@gmail.com X-Authenticated: #20452226 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19k1SsD/S5kEdkoXTc1pzQyN1JslGP2ArBQvg/CvW vH9LuSHhm7qIypp5YnQ8xV5mrJ/oP6aL3c6w== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: UulPcDI2bGInPPtlVWVnTBlvcmZ1Ztzu Cc: stephen@math.missouri.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg_delete: package 'xorg-drivers-7.3' doesn't have a prefix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:04 -0000 Peter Boosten wrote, on 12/30/07 18:04: > Quoting Eric Crist : >> On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:47 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>> Mon Si wrote: >>>> Dear list, >>>> I'm experiencing problems when I try to portupgrade the >>>> xorg-driver port. The old version of the port can't be >>>> uninstalled during the portupgrade due to an undefined prefix. >>>> The port can't be deleted by "pkg_delete -f xorg-drivers-7.3" >>>> Does anybody know how to upgrade / remove this port? >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> Simon >>> >>> If nothing else works, you could try >>> rm -rf /var/db/pkg/xorg-drivers-7.3 >> >> If I remember correctly, there are detailed instructions in >> /usr/ports/UPDATING -- go back to notes for sometime in May of >> 2007, and there's a really long entry on upgraded to Xorg 7.x >> from 6.9. I think the entry specifically mentions 7.2, but it >> should work for 7.3 as well. >> > > The following worked for me: In > /usr/ports/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers do make config > > then portupgrade -f xorg-drivers > > Peter > Thanks a lot for the suggestions! Removing /var/db/pkg/xorg-drivers-7.3 worked, the "make config && portupgrade -f xorg-drivers" method gave me the same error message as before. However I don't really understand why this prefix thing shows up well after the upgrade from 6.9 to 7.2. Perhaps I cvsup'd at a bad time. Simon -- -- -- -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. 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(ldg%tls.net@208.70.40.123) by auth-smtp1.tls.net with ESMTPA; 31 Dec 2007 14:17:22 -0000 Message-ID: <4778FA64.1060205@pixelhammer.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:19:16 -0500 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'User Questions' References: <477538C2.3070204@pixelhammer.com> <477699AC.4030109@cederstrand.dk> In-Reply-To: <477699AC.4030109@cederstrand.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Small Unix install X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:17:27 -0000 Erik Cederstrand wrote: > DAve wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> I am looking for a small install for an old laptop. I have an old but >> quite reliable Toshiba 330CDT that used to be my personal laptop. I ran >> FBSD 3.x/4.x on it for years but it has been wiped and in a closet for >> years. I want to use it again just to access a few web forums and read >> my email. I don't do POV RAY or 3D, I don't need Open Office, I don't >> watch any Tubes. Mutt, Fluxbox and a minimal browser would make me happy. >> >> I don't have the time or inclination to roll my own again. PCBSD can't >> finish the install due to only having 96mb of memory. Desktop BSD wants >> more than 4gb of drive space just to complete the install. >> >> I currently have 98SE on it only consuming 300mb and it runs fine, but >> it's 98SE ;^) Does anyone know of anything ready to install? BSD, Linux, >> I don't care. > > You could try Damn Small Linux. The main problem with using old laptops > is finding a browser that doesn't hog memory. The only on I've found > (apart from Lynx) is Dillo, but it doesn't support CSS. Yep, Dillo fails on most of the web forums I want to read. As I responded to another reply, I am a ASCII kinda guy in a Multimedia world. > > Another option if you really want FreeBSD is to search the FTP archives > for a FreeBSD 3/4 install CD and go from there. They'll have the > packages ready to install. Just beware of the security implications of > using old releases. I still have a full four disk set of FreeBSD 3.2 ;^) Security implications! Ha! A bit of tuning here, a firewall there, kill some daemons off, I wouldn't worry. Safer than Windows. I spent (wasted IMO) the better part of 8 hours this weekend installing FreeBSD and Slackware on the laptop with disappointing results. X was incredibly slow with all browsers, my pcmcia card isn't working, my wireless card is unsupported. But.... I work from home, I have VMWare on my work laptop, I installed PCBSD in VMWare. I was downloading mail and reading a forum in under 15 minutes. I am happy. I will keep an eye out for a cheap/used replacement laptop for personal use. Thanks everyone who responded, and have a happy New Year. DAve -- Google finally, after 7 years, provided a logo for veterans. Thank you Google. What to do with my signature now? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 14:41:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6072116A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378B113C461 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so8093035waf.3 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:41:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=tfHzQBFeQLW4kMQaGFJCCQBkGxTiElTFRV0nK99Y1PU=; b=TJ+6QGq5vtjoOmQFX5bCoTWXOY6gGJMBkanxZSny/5GmxunOTommn4a0rwjyCM8CGVULtnkIl6igv26geEv+Y02RJsywL0sjprP0J1hGf6OlILdgTRC21EaylmRCdqVl33BJ2sLNWTZGYMpYQEHUt79izh5HqkR6PCL0DR+77gY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uUN8JO1BU9g6+OO2+q4Bt38ySivFB6pzVB7V65FtSYtp27N7M6qOXZqt8W3jh0qMlNSHkgyNYrsG8DnDE0NJKXUXH8bTjy5Jrfk0PrZ8tDtQQJzt4v2BFNp++DlGn3Gn5ue8VaUV2igGxNW9b2naB8pStbiyxc9Zy0MbLmcdY5Y= Received: by 10.114.184.7 with SMTP id h7mr11868079waf.28.1199112065906; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.240.16 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 06:41:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80f4f2b20712310641k4649c0bbi99363c7be47655c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:41:05 -0500 From: "Jim Stapleton" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:41:06 -0000 None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? Thanks, -Jim Stapleton From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 14:51:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186D416A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D275813C459 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBVEo74K000111; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lBVEo63c000110; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:06 -0500 From: Jerry McAllister To: "E. J. Cerejo" Message-ID: <20071231145006.GA99984@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <000701c84b74$dfc15ca0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000701c84b74$dfc15ca0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:51:34 -0000 On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:17:51AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: > I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling xp > and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run "fdisk -B -b > /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0" it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot> > prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or > do I have to reinstall freebsd? It may be that you got the slices no longer marked as bootable. Try using fdisk(8) or boot0cfg(8) to re-enable booting on those slices. ////jerry > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 14:53:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF23216A420 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AEAD13C4E3 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1J9M1F-000Mip-HP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:53:33 +0300 To: "Jim Stapleton" References: <80f4f2b20712310641k4649c0bbi99363c7be47655c2@mail.gmail.com> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:51:56 +0300 In-Reply-To: <80f4f2b20712310641k4649c0bbi99363c7be47655c2@mail.gmail.com> (Jim Stapleton's message of "Mon\, 31 Dec 2007 09\:41\:05 -0500") Message-ID: <88388755@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:53:34 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:41:05 -0500 Jim Stapleton wrote: > None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I > installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the > install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how > I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? sysinstall -> Configure -> Distributions -> [x] man WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 14:55:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F96F16A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brown_philip@btinternet.com) Received: from web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com (web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com [217.146.189.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 763D613C4E1 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brown_philip@btinternet.com) Received: (qmail 48409 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Dec 2007 14:55:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=NdX7E9wG3HW7bL5GjNeTRdFXAtJwfJz7xpHARHyTyB7fUwmy5u2rtI8jPJ+joYDKlavGIdjoj6EklcjdMAnfCSSkKbheLgN7i1iLQPW6cUR56eE/9IZBxm/hZKIb6nSaTP7rDA+32CNlWxaOIERMEfXCVre5CFG3Ew9EInnRCI4=; X-YMail-OSG: TtmJbOgVM1kG3JZBekZlsK8ONZOOK4kF0YBDtk1v0DoL.s7mDn2iqBbKRDe5hJucSS2Wy.yGGkqqSlcgqUIL.bg- Received: from [86.136.101.183] by web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:03 GMT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Philip Brown To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <150085.47557.qm@web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re:I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:07 -0000 you can install this from sysinstall:=0A=0Ahere is a link to full instructi= ons:=0Ahttp://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-install-man-info-pages-and-other= -package-set.html=0A=0Ahope this helps,=0A=0APhil From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 14:55:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7597416A4A1 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1630513C465 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31808EBC3B; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:55:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:55:07 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: "Jim Stapleton" Message-Id: <20071231095507.0234630e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <80f4f2b20712310641k4649c0bbi99363c7be47655c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <80f4f2b20712310641k4649c0bbi99363c7be47655c2@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:14 -0000 In response to "Jim Stapleton" : > None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I > installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the > install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how > I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? Boot up the system and log in as root. Then run sysinstall. Select Custom -> Distributions -> Custom. From there you can select the man distribution. Then OK your way back until sysinstall actually installs the man pages. I expect you selected a "minimal" install when you installed, which doesn't include man pages. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 14:55:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D2F16A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com (out4.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289FD13C467 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeffrey@goldmark.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C45505870E; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:55:30 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: lTaoLT4sop/MzBPUj7orIQMrHY8RIcf2vKwk4hQpgqei 1199112930 Received: from hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org (n114.ewd.goldmark.org [72.64.118.114]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7473C12DDE; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:55:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3B585815-EC68-400E-901D-A594402DD874@goldmark.org> From: Jeffrey Goldberg To: Bill Moran In-Reply-To: <20071230234432.3389a010.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:55:29 -0600 References: <542F8326-4A77-42AA-9FFF-CB8C6AD8756A@goldmark.org> <20071230234432.3389a010.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: User questions Subject: Re: How to not start syslogd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:55:31 -0000 On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Bill Moran wrote: > Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: >> Putting >> >> syslogd_enable="NO" >> >> into /etc/rc.conf did not prevent it from starting. > > The above works on every system I've done it to (which is quite a > few). > > I suspect you've either got a typo in your rc.conf, [...] Yep. It was a typo. I should let this be a reminder to always copy and paste such things into email instead of retyping. What I had in my rc.conf was really syslog_enable="NO" Notice the missing "d'. Thanks. -j From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 15:11:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A585F16A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp1.tls.net (smtp1.tls.net [65.196.224.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C59213C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 79938 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 15:11:35 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 79927, pid: 79934, t: 0.1934s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 clamav: 0.91.1/m:45/d:5307 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp1.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=20.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 208-70-40-123.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.0.109?) (ldg%tls.net@208.70.40.123) by auth-smtp1.tls.net with ESMTPA; 31 Dec 2007 15:11:35 -0000 Message-ID: <4779071A.2020506@pixelhammer.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:13:30 -0500 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: User questions References: <542F8326-4A77-42AA-9FFF-CB8C6AD8756A@goldmark.org> <20071230234432.3389a010.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <3B585815-EC68-400E-901D-A594402DD874@goldmark.org> In-Reply-To: <3B585815-EC68-400E-901D-A594402DD874@goldmark.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: How to not start syslogd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:11:36 -0000 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > On Dec 30, 2007, at 10:44 PM, Bill Moran wrote: > >> Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: > >>> Putting >>> >>> syslogd_enable="NO" >>> >>> into /etc/rc.conf did not prevent it from starting. >> >> The above works on every system I've done it to (which is quite a few). >> >> I suspect you've either got a typo in your rc.conf, [...] > > Yep. It was a typo. I should let this be a reminder to always copy and > paste such things into email instead of retyping. What I had in my > rc.conf was really > > syslog_enable="NO" > > Notice the missing "d'. > Small hint shown to me many years ago when enabling things in rc.conf. If I want to startup ipfilter for example (trimmed to avoid wrapping). bash-2.05b# cat /etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep ^ipfilter Returns the following, ipfilter_enable="NO" # Set to YES to enable ipfilter ipfilter_program="/sbin/ipf" # where the ipfilter program lives ipfilter_rules="/etc/ipf.rules" # rules definition file for ipfilter, ipfilter_flags="" # additional flags for ipfilter If it looks like what you want then write it into your running rc.conf, cat /etc/defaults/rc.conf | grep ^ipfilter >> /etc/rc.conf Then you can edit to enable, add flags, etc. Cures the typos. DAve -- Google finally, after 7 years, provided a logo for veterans. Thank you Google. What to do with my signature now? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 15:14:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0439216A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B575D13C455 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:14:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from bb.ipt.ru ([194.62.233.89]) by services.ipt.ru with esmtp (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1J9MLs-000Mzd-Hz; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:14:52 +0300 To: Dave References: <000301c84346$40d016d0$0200a8c0@satellite> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:13:15 +0300 In-Reply-To: <000301c84346$40d016d0$0200a8c0@satellite> (Dave's message of "Thu\, 20 Dec 2007 15\:23\:58 -0500") Message-ID: <06301940@bb.ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: upgrading mplayer fails on linux-pango X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:14:55 -0000 On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:23:58 -0500 Dave wrote: > Trying to upgrade my ports. And mplayer is failing on the > linux-pango dependency. The error from linux-pango is that elf binary > type "3" is not known and the install fails with an error 2. Does > anyone have a fix for this? Did you (kld)loaded linux emulation module? (I.e. did the command "kldstat | grep linux" shows the linux.ko module?) WBR -- Boris Samorodov (bsam) Research Engineer, http://www.ipt.ru Telephone & Internet SP FreeBSD committer, http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 15:28:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE6B16A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:28:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D64913C458 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 4649 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 15:28:44 -0000 Received: from adsl120.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.120) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 31 Dec 2007 15:28:43 -0000 Message-ID: <47790AA1.8010109@pacific.net.sg> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:28:33 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Maxim Khitrov References: <26ddd1750712271246j14795cf3wf8e9727f0f7cc148@mail.gmail.com> <47744048.6020202@daleco.biz> <47752446.8090908@gmail.com> <26ddd1750712300852p5835e094nf20f85a9f8e0356d@mail.gmail.com> <839aec700712300931l18d892dak3fe16175405fa65f@mail.gmail.com> <26ddd1750712301544q16eee11bt82cdcee0cf153afb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ddd1750712301544q16eee11bt82cdcee0cf153afb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Darren Spruell , Rob , User Questions Subject: Re: Blocking undesirable domains using BIND X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:28:47 -0000 Hi, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > On Dec 30, 2007 12:31 PM, Darren Spruell wrote: >> On Dec 30, 2007 9:52 AM, Maxim Khitrov wrote: > I then installed dnsmasq, which is able to read domain info from the > hosts file. Just for the fun of it, I loaded domains from all the > sources I've gathered into a separate hosts file - a total of 155,150 > entries. Dnsmasq loaded that file and has been running for several > minutes now. It's currently taking up a total of 17MB! Now granted, it > doesn't need to deal with whole zone files, but this still goes to > show the level of efficiency that can be achieved in theory even with > this many entries. this sounds like a perfect solution for me too. I will have to try this next year. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 15:46:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A6416A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6160C13C45D for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from homedcfc9a526e (ool-44c03822.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.56.34]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with SMTP id <0JTX009IW7SU0230@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:06 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:46:04 -0500 From: "E. J. Cerejo" To: Jerry McAllister Message-id: <000401c84bc4$40734af0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000701c84b74$dfc15ca0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> <20071231145006.GA99984@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Cc: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:46:15 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry McAllister" To: "E. J. Cerejo" Cc: Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:17:51AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: > >> I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling >> xp >> and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run "fdisk -B -b >> /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0" it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot> >> prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or >> do I have to reinstall freebsd? > > It may be that you got the slices no longer marked as bootable. > Try using fdisk(8) or boot0cfg(8) to re-enable booting on those slices. > > ////jerry Do you run it from the instalation CD using fixit or run from the mountroot prompt on the computer. It seems to me I can't can any commands from this prompt. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 15:57:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0047016A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71CC13C4E5 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5027408rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=qum974srqCSBUIa1REwY4N/cY59PLqjXyhm2aLXLwR8=; b=FRnihlnlnpayMWN9Igi/mgcsjFkSMEiOOEyTaJFh0KxpEtQ8hkX8VBETZzm1jlG0frToAxkLjLd9oEF/ON9xLdINkq+jN3hB9N/04Y6Jwm6oiy1PS7FFRQWPNYBkuSpaegzryzLRSNSsQ5S/lRXLgIBiEey1MLepuWd3FcymE8A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=NKUVRYadVLoUUF561xrvBbr8ZSYluXgtycj1P7POr8vCG+1elaP2pP8eGKa09cePHOjiAkarbnV8qdkZ+ZiUCs8LmT22dYM5NWmVqOefkvacRHKyZhLe1s5LKcdEUhBWt/q/uTEcWLvEtMK62HEbsXwuKyLiZyPm6L8xtbzsaVQ= Received: by 10.140.134.15 with SMTP id h15mr6412929rvd.51.1199116621398; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:57:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:57:01 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:57:02 -0000 Hi; Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments would be appreciated. TIA, Victor From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:03:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099C916A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:03:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.78.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF68B13C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from Lowell-Desk.lan (Lowell-Desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C63A828430; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:03:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by Lowell-Desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id EABDC1CC35; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:03:36 -0500 (EST) To: "Don O'Neil" References: <002901c84a64$3b82ec00$0e00020a@mickey> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:03:36 -0500 In-Reply-To: <002901c84a64$3b82ec00$0e00020a@mickey> (Don O'Neil's message of "Sat\, 29 Dec 2007 13\:46\:13 -0800") Message-ID: <44ir2eua07.fsf@Lowell-Desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Port Updates for 6.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:03:41 -0000 "Don O'Neil" writes: > What is the safest and cleanest way to update the ports in /usr/ports for a > 6.1-STABLE install? I don't want to risk breaking anything, I just need some > updated ports so I can install the latest SpamAssassin port. http://www.cvsup.org/faq.html#caniadopt csup(1) should be able to do the same kind of thing. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:04:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A3416A469 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:04:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B41A13C46B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:04:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frankstaals@gmx.net) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 31 Dec 2007 16:04:28 -0000 Received: from ip176-173-59-62.adsl.versatel.nl (EHLO Rena.FStaals.net) [62.59.173.176] by mail.gmx.net (mp055) with SMTP; 31 Dec 2007 17:04:28 +0100 X-Authenticated: #25365336 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX193Si4aW293ZoDy4aCcxuXxfG1BnPeTWgZdOFo6qv 8/3mLy1cIfEyuI Message-ID: <477912B3.5070300@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:02:59 +0100 From: Frank Staals User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071224) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Subervi References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:04:31 -0000 Victor Subervi wrote: > Hi; > Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) > I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. > Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for > different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look > toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's > probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there > than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments > would be appreciated. > TIA, > Victor > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > I don't realy concider java to be a low-level language, so I would take a look at C or C++ first (And TBH I think there are at least as many C/C++ programmers as Java programmes ). Good luck with your project, -- -Frank Staals From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:07:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A081616A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710D613C448 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5030236rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:07:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8UeG7p2xn49U0T5NnL+ORo99LjWFv8VXCJOCjv/Rc5k=; b=HgN8WebPuDLaYqz0XenmrKdaedY/nWKGcglMVrt6GjbkgWbc5y7lNxSfa82d4G4J1yWcLcHc/psA1XT1WPNuAO+Yuxva5KJa/CjtRyoH8PK7EbBvUfjQI8BHRGHdUkEdX53b96QIsKnC+0VpeBfO0Rw9iro+o4Q9N9Bqah0ZwFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lQsIiJIr6DNzzFRJ+FPwKt6jZ2Fy+GMjz3V+zBRUurC8Ij+8/fkr8isUuZnxLjfyaj7rlF8aPVtsbm1HapYZFQ5fxfnzVSWuRHjzh1p1mt7JQ2Ppp1XEPO8Qo2HaF3CDhPPcdFbF+aigDgFe1cStNv6qelSrSxroQKdZRtNyc/E= Received: by 10.141.163.12 with SMTP id q12mr1135171rvo.260.1199117244291; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:07:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:07:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310807u6aa2c5d5g2398e30f04610388@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:24 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Frank Staals" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <477912B3.5070300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <477912B3.5070300@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:07:25 -0000 Java not low level? It's a scripting lang? Doesn't compile? C is easy enough. C++ is tough but would be necessary. What about C#? Forget it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:02 PM, Frank Staals wrote: > Victor Subervi wrote: > > Hi; > > Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) > > I'm considering starting an open source project for language > translation. > > Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for > > different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to > look > > toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's > > probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out > there > > than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your > comments > > would be appreciated. > > TIA, > > Victor > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > I don't realy concider java to be a low-level language, so I would take > a look at C or C++ first (And TBH I think there are at least as many > C/C++ programmers as Java programmes ). > > Good luck with your project, > > -- > -Frank Staals > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:19:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F7616A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.78.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E23813C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from Lowell-Desk.lan (Lowell-Desk.lan [172.30.250.6]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD1B28430; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:19:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by Lowell-Desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id AA8F61CD26; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:19:43 -0500 (EST) To: robert@webtent.com References: <1199037275.7325.17.camel@columbus.webtent.org> <839aec700712301010i278cbefcsd2ccd24179468ce4@mail.gmail.com> <1199040464.7325.38.camel@columbus.webtent.org> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:19:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1199040464.7325.38.camel@columbus.webtent.org> (Robert Fitzpatrick's message of "Sun\, 30 Dec 2007 13\:47\:44 -0500") Message-ID: <44ejd2u99c.fsf@Lowell-Desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Darren Spruell , FreeBSD Subject: Re: Imaging to new system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:19:47 -0000 Robert Fitzpatrick writes: > On Sun, 2007-12-30 at 11:10 -0700, Darren Spruell wrote: >> On Dec 30, 2007 10:54 AM, Robert Fitzpatrick wrote: >> > I have a server running 5.4-RELEASE using RAID-5 on an Intel RAID >> > controller that I need to move to faster RAID. Is it possible to image >> > or some other way to save the current install and restore after setting >> > up the RAID or should I just plan to reinstall everything? >> >> Running dump(8) and restore(8) would allow you to back up and restore >> your system. >> >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dump >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=restore >> >> This is typically used with tape, although you can dump to disk as well. >> >> If your data/system is critical, you ought to already have some backup >> strategy you could restore the system from to your new RAID. If not, >> you might put one in place (RAID != backups). >> > > Yes, of course, we have data backup and can restore after reinstalling > everything, but I was looking for a complete system restore option. I'll > look into these docs, thanks. There is no tape system, so I guess the > only hope is if it can be dumped and restored from an NFS drive. From > looking at the docs, it does appear this is possible, as long as the > data in on a fs mounted by fstab? Another possibility is to dump to stdout, and pipe that over ssh. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:28:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA84716A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3D2113C469 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 22111 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 16:28:46 -0000 Received: from adsl120.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.120) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 31 Dec 2007 16:28:46 -0000 Message-ID: <477918B3.4090101@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:28:35 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Subervi References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:28:49 -0000 Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: > toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's Assembler? > probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there > than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments I would use a combination out of C and C++. Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the experience of the most C/C++ programmers. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:42:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376B016A421 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0762113C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:42:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5040140rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:42:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5uh7q5+gb4XsWaVbX2vVXwE9EyzxsmLtUMfGeYspkjA=; b=rgusqleH4pWKgkFjqtOfJHBCA0cJaO9mN82PKM+uxad54gZmP/e7PfQTx1sqZ339dsvlVzK606In55fIdDaPaMKR7g2MYISu1WFvtZYYy6aqiIVulIG92ihinIw+oPj6UZXot94sbfO3Kfl17y+MIYRLzLQ4Mv6ISdsr+/2+qI4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Usg2ShJMgHOcF9414si+zdMhpkZ8tex3KicwzleGIrNLVNQVFlNnDcCF6nbWFDLoDNeAHfsdbJ1q1cVJwpTWK9BfPLWeuBvgeWERlJQd8uGcay8zsph0wrsSzUC7j2HpEMQWhjcz+dR6xBYRMbfim2jPWw3+nMGBFOVGmj82ztY= Received: by 10.141.29.18 with SMTP id g18mr6425232rvj.162.1199119361733; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:42:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:42:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310842i6b24bbcaw3ab44d19a3bf96ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:42:41 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310842o49b24abdl9ec10b4af124e373@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <477918B3.4090101@pacific.net.sg> <4dc0cfea0712310842o49b24abdl9ec10b4af124e373@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:42:42 -0000 > > Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment > that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) > TIA, > Victor > > On Dec 31, 2007 12:28 PM, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Victor Subervi wrote: > > > toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking > > Java's > > > > Assembler? > > > > > probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out > > there > > > than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your > > comments > > > > I would use a combination out of C and C++. > > > > Even if there are more Java programmers out there, they not have the > > experience of the most C/C++ programmers. > > > > Erich > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 16:56:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D285216A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5953F13C43E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J9Nvu-00007v-Cd for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:10 +0000 Received: from 78-1-126-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.126.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:10 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-126-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:10 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:55:40 +0100 Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig0480DF7BEF677327F18FB578" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-126-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Sender: news Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:56:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig0480DF7BEF677327F18FB578 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Subervi wrote: >I'm thinking Java's > probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out = there > than any other language (I think).=20 That's almost always the *worst* reason for choosing a language. On similar basis, you might want to do it in PHP since "a lot of people use it". It's exceedingly tough to use Java for high-performance applications, especially if you're just starting out in it. It apparently can be done, but only by experts ("average" quality code in Java is almost certain to be slow). >But what about C++ or C#? Your comments > would be appreciated. C# is similar in this way to Java, though my own experience says it's faster than Java. C++ or C are, of course, faster than any of the mentioned languages. If it's not a serious project and you just want to learn a new language, try "D" (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/). It's similar to C, C++ and Java but has some very nice features that sometimes make it even Python-like. It's almost as fast as C (http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/debian/benchmark.php?test=3Dall&lang=3D= dlang&lang2=3Dgcc). --------------enig0480DF7BEF677327F18FB578 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeR8MldnAQVacBcgRAnPUAKCjmorThAT+HRFmhIau65PWEneHFACfV56x mjIv2saXE6dt8bM61T7jqWA= =quo3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig0480DF7BEF677327F18FB578-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:02:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4855E16A468 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de (rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de [194.94.155.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B26213C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markus.hoenicka@mhoenicka.de) Received: from rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 61ED550976 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:02:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from yeti.mininet (rrzras1-10.rz.uni-regensburg.de [132.199.208.20]) by rrzmta1.rz.uni-regensburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B350D50A2D for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:02:00 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 From: "Markus Hoenicka" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18296.63950.30082.948425@yeti.mininet> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:16:46 +0100 To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071231104614.GA1761@kobe.laptop> References: <18295.55864.740395.631672@yeti.mininet> <20071231104614.GA1761@kobe.laptop> Cc: Subject: Re: dlopen(), atexit() on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:02:00 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas writes: > The __cxa_finalize() function is not called by atexit(), but by exit() I see. > Since the program is going to exit and have all its dlopened shared > objects be unmapped, it's probably ok to skip the dlclose() step in > this example. > Just for the record: I've tried disabling the dlclose() call in our code. It both prevents the segfaults and does not seem to inflict any harm. I'll use the code that way for the time being, any real solution for this problem notwithstanding. > I think this is probably something that the freebsd-hackers list will > be interested in. Can you post a description of the problem there too? > I'll do. I haven't read up the full history of this problem, but apparently other programs and libraries are affected too, so it is probably fair to seek assistance. regards, Markus -- Markus Hoenicka markus.hoenicka@cats.de (Spam-protected email: replace the quadrupeds with "mhoenicka") http://www.mhoenicka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:04:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8982D16A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:04:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1635713C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5046400rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:04:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Zf4tS6io/9moOg42jduCBttpmj3qqCnAAXU+SUFrXbI=; b=DlfQrTUp1yQVXpukUF7mCLT7pMkDDXYLANmaz9j4Uim3TdfbGOfP5+t5p+BOE/QxEG1Rv7xnXQx0JfGVMullLX4MaoyeVcS0BewfXUnjfxn0RDkgLr+csHlr+n5e1KwFU+0mKdcruWoxbKsfLQ78ClXq43ylBrKsfnen6P3IGOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=m4e+zehWOJTt+H67mPCwG7l7+peZFHNXiczD0C5UEO98Ib8tdvIv6rueafZ1DF3QlGbpKUkeUSip/ZYyjNwHtQiMBCI+RhTEybyj21ueXiaGKo8WwjJHCVYePp/8n55BSds96rvQx55nxCNLaZaoFTgKxzQjpkQaCkMmoQ2C3Yk= Received: by 10.141.23.7 with SMTP id a7mr6470266rvj.5.1199120647726; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:04:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:04:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Ivan Voras" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:04:08 -0000 Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 12:55 PM, Ivan Voras wrote: > Victor Subervi wrote: > > >I'm thinking Java's > > probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out > there > > than any other language (I think). > > That's almost always the *worst* reason for choosing a language. On > similar basis, you might want to do it in PHP since "a lot of people use > it". > > It's exceedingly tough to use Java for high-performance applications, > especially if you're just starting out in it. It apparently can be done, > but only by experts ("average" quality code in Java is almost certain to > be slow). > > >But what about C++ or C#? Your comments > > would be appreciated. > > C# is similar in this way to Java, though my own experience says it's > faster than Java. C++ or C are, of course, faster than any of the > mentioned languages. > > If it's not a serious project and you just want to learn a new language, > try "D" (http://www.digitalmars.com/d/). It's similar to C, C++ and Java > but has some very nice features that sometimes make it even Python-like. > It's almost as fast as C > ( > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/debian/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=dlang&lang2=gcc > ). > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:07:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F0216A473 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1EB0513C4CE for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:07:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 17064 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 17:06:02 -0000 Received: from adsl120.dyn229.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.229.120) by smtpgate2.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 31 Dec 2007 17:06:02 -0000 Message-ID: <47792175.80503@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:05:57 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Victor Subervi References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <477918B3.4090101@pacific.net.sg> <4dc0cfea0712310842o49b24abdl9ec10b4af124e373@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310842i6b24bbcaw3ab44d19a3bf96ef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310842i6b24bbcaw3ab44d19a3bf96ef@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:07:55 -0000 Hi, Victor Subervi wrote: >> Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of comment >> that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the proper software installed to compile it. Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all clients. In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:12:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60B716A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BAE413C465 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:12:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J9O9o-0004hL-Vi for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:10:32 +0000 Received: from 78-1-126-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr ([78.1.126.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:10:32 +0000 Received: from ivoras by 78-1-126-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:10:32 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ivan Voras Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:09:22 +0100 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigFFA8E2C2E8D2EF3BDE0E280D" X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 78-1-126-5.adsl.net.t-com.hr User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Sender: news Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:12:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigFFA8E2C2E8D2EF3BDE0E280D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Subervi wrote: >I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w and > rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? = Or is > it like C, native to FBSD? It's native - it's the GNU c++ compiler (g++). --------------enigFFA8E2C2E8D2EF3BDE0E280D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSJCldnAQVacBcgRAlefAJsG9Fozbkwb9VcvJyJYyZmqLxEEEwCglqt8 9dpbT5KS04Sh4AfLp2/o3Fs= =Wdcs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigFFA8E2C2E8D2EF3BDE0E280D-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:14:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35AC916A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:14:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B8D13C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5049497rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:14:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hyq+J3jVcFYKhcCSY9c6K5+d40gEbcSIklGkbJjLTjU=; b=uYQb5bF55avTtCwli3QhJD3FvDJxPP04bqmTCUTCIqvkeYCvR7KTpkWrOADo4ZkHUlaVsDKsaVTadkkaOOlYnVHNw5p7L5gqVXh+Ez4EvwfdBIIAtdps/7vn0e9cD11RQKIdZEzwUoxCRcJLTnwFZCVZOBuDb8Hvw9o35klPtBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QXspTsDOjFLqfdP25MhC3kGSJ/nIWkdjiucTrRd3/t8AK3JQfafNORNF08NrInrreQq8zzczGei9+LmQZAZhJL1VMBw9ILh8Rkv9fwIRP6CTVNkruw/6udxC60+1JGvcYLV3V+9/6FJXEiZZ7MVpMOdDhe3r8z20lJaAMw8qeCw= Received: by 10.140.180.42 with SMTP id c42mr4725178rvf.145.1199121268218; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:14:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:14:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310914k369e5236o22ed95db04885c93@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:14:28 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Erich Dollansky" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <47792175.80503@pacific.net.sg> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <477918B3.4090101@pacific.net.sg> <4dc0cfea0712310842o49b24abdl9ec10b4af124e373@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310842i6b24bbcaw3ab44d19a3bf96ef@mail.gmail.com> <47792175.80503@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:14:29 -0000 Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... :) Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Victor Subervi wrote: > >> Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of > comment > >> that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) > > there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. > > In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the > proper software installed to compile it. > > Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on > every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the > byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all > clients. > > In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. > > Erich > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:14:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC70A16A420 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA39E13C46E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5049651rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:14:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vE3miS092MHTcIOHvLsGsQB2sekwxpXC93r0yoCzdQ8=; b=VmYvKNOYTBSmxqZgjdYiXOyGkNreS3auku5xjQ3N2/7eapHlXnfWjSFvy2fAEOPm7DUYP32TyDFgF7E4Qewc9snkT8lP9Q2LqcYK2oYchdrPMBK3qmdhJvA/SZ9kLWWXIHozrIIDonLnIjHimqz5aIFOQF9+2khvBBQL3VSz0g4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iC1gdk1BbvQP/7UlziH79kp0oVgX87X1egRkcUcf5B3GfIrBGBSnhI96YmS/1gfWD/Di5FMeUQsUp06s4e7+EgfPnHA+2IQtLc3QbNBy4HLQF2HFHc9TyLk/nUcl6Ved85/9vP5jPheIy4BcXDVuHkxetlNlz6N0FfBnY/+wiDI= Received: by 10.141.2.19 with SMTP id e19mr6441955rvi.221.1199121299335; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:14:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:14:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310914v52b99f22g343c0eb3a328e7ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:14:59 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Erich Dollansky" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310914k369e5236o22ed95db04885c93@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <477918B3.4090101@pacific.net.sg> <4dc0cfea0712310842o49b24abdl9ec10b4af124e373@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310842i6b24bbcaw3ab44d19a3bf96ef@mail.gmail.com> <47792175.80503@pacific.net.sg> <4dc0cfea0712310914k369e5236o22ed95db04885c93@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:14:59 -0000 Perfect. Yet another reason to choose c++ Thanks, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:14 PM, Victor Subervi wrote: > Yuck. Steering clear of Java ... > :) > Thanks, > Victor > > On Dec 31, 2007 1:05 PM, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Victor Subervi wrote: > > >> Good point. Most legacy s/w is in C++. I'm assuming from lack of > > comment > > >> that C# is as yet an unborn language ;) > > > > there is another very simple problem with languages like C# or Java. > > > > In the case of C, it is the developers machine which has to have the > > proper software installed to compile it. > > > > Java need the proper run-time and so the byte compiler installed on > > every client machine. If you run into a very specific problem with the > > byte-compiler, you have to have a specific version installed on all > > clients. > > > > In case of C, you can do a static link to minimise this impact. > > > > Erich > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:25:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2937A16A418; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F388E13C43E; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JTX007VQCDP55N0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:25:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVHOvvJ042888; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:24:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:24:57 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> To: Victor Subervi Message-id: <477925E9.2010400@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071228) Cc: Ivan Voras , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:25:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: > Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no > one has yet done anything substantial in open source for > translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds > like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know > that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for > working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, > native to FBSD? If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers (henry.pjiffers@gmail.com) has done a fair amount of work... even though he might attempt to sell you on "enhanced" open-source ;-) [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on the lists] - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSXpzIOMjAek4JIRAstpAJwLfmUpzghGV22K7iVt3iKsc9rrAgCcCdBZ DoWyBolAD6sd5x3E1/W12/g= =luLC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:26:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B984416A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:26:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86E813C44B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5052825rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:26:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ojqy0gd1JKwvx4KzwZRUFYiREcp+58gPBf4vvtYut1o=; b=j05zktApGszvxQRQPdF4H0YE8Vrv3uKElpeu0LNM7ZbEUHZwYGfVAH5ZMGYt3Py0ZUZoxyoMTQuTdk/NgnXluy8L+w/X7AxpschF8XtArg/rBv6eaaYdltCpb4J0D8QmidYS+cf1aNTaJzTaKHfXs9fx3g1gJ0vpqZNFLkfnAIc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SzEDATJBMv6Gnogea+Pq+qhUrqnG/RvxzDumrb1eXA+/B6J1WP5QZi2SZkUtbV+GedKZZ8a1yuDUN8G6c2YAUE2QY3ZDHei5LmJInARXeaaviJGvobA5BUCkBq3k21R4kDwuatyCOlaOCz7cn4YcGVoRW74uQo5CZf+SuOOx858= Received: by 10.141.209.9 with SMTP id l9mr4775456rvq.288.1199121982671; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:26:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310926m39291186rbb6924e200646c0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:26:22 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <477925E9.2010400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <477925E9.2010400@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:26:23 -0000 Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Victor Subervi wrote: > > Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no > > one has yet done anything substantial in open source for > > translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go figure. Sounds > > like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back on topic :) I know > > that one has to install all sorts of s/w and rebuild the kernel for > > working with Java. Is that true of C++ as well? Or is it like C, > > native to FBSD? > > If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers > (henry.pjiffers@gmail.com) has done a fair amount of work... even > though he might attempt to sell you on "enhanced" open-source ;-) [I > would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... he is > the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few times on > the lists] > > - -- > Aryeh M. Friedman > FloSoft Systems > http://www.flosoft-systems.com > Developer, not business, friendly > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHeSXpzIOMjAek4JIRAstpAJwLfmUpzghGV22K7iVt3iKsc9rrAgCcCdBZ > DoWyBolAD6sd5x3E1/W12/g= > =luLC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:28:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B288016A420 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:28:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6824013C46A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBVHSBvq000683; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:28:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at daleco.biz Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ezekiel.daleco.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id k8v7ludjgSYe; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:28:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from archangel.daleco.biz (dsl.daleco.biz [209.125.108.70]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBVHRxxs000671; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:28:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4779269A.1090108@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:27:54 -0600 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.2) Gecko/20070418 SeaMonkey/1.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Spruell References: <26ddd1750712271246j14795cf3wf8e9727f0f7cc148@mail.gmail.com> <47744048.6020202@daleco.biz> <26ddd1750712272037x594336efndcd136ee2101e3e7@mail.gmail.com> <200712280508.lBS58jLo022219@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> <47751B05.6080807@daleco.biz> <839aec700712280827n24adcd51m5a16cc4e178669f7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <839aec700712280827n24adcd51m5a16cc4e178669f7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Blocking undesirable domains using BIND X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:28:13 -0000 Darren Spruell wrote: > On Dec 28, 2007 8:49 AM, Kevin Kinsey wrote: >> In the absence of egress filtering on the firewall, that >> would definitely be an advantage. Does anyone use BIND >> for filtering in a small to medium business environment >> then? How does it perform? > > Performs fine. > > # rndc status > number of zones: 17210 > ... Thanks, Darren. -- Pity the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. -- Don Marquis From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:31:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1830F16A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:31:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F4513C44B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JTX00AYKCOL5SI0@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:31:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVHVW6N042907; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:31:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:31:32 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <4dc0cfea0712310926m39291186rbb6924e200646c0c@mail.gmail.com> To: Victor Subervi Message-id: <47792774.2080902@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <477925E9.2010400@gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310926m39291186rbb6924e200646c0c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071228) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:31:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: > Thanks. I'll drop him a line. Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also. As a side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be dismistified: I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair number of people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)... most of my carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code (largely via custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have had zero issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup time for the jvm). Matter one of my projects is a Java-->native compiler which I eventually plan to base an OS around. > Victor > > On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman > wrote: > > Victor Subervi wrote: >>>> Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears >>>> that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source >>>> for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go >>>> figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back >>>> on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w >>>> and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of >>>> C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? > If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers > (henry.pjiffers@gmail.com) has done a fair amount of work... even > though he might attempt to sell you on "enhanced" open-source ;-) > [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... > he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few > times on the lists] > >> >> - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSd0zIOMjAek4JIRAhgBAJ9mX2SUOPMBIKSse9/09BE8owV1QQCfTD6O IU5nLP56NiASTFp90dMxrco= =jQgV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:36:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD1916A475 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B37013C4D1 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5056415rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:36:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UbShuxlr0TnlGX9aMoaGXvHZ8eYYH6iRST+l1whuovw=; b=pXQZ1XDHpskdfbt6lQS6JyxhCfuXYkd4UEFJRRhcYw8XBv7ftasY2f/3qNVNOAiBRbL6G69wON13qt+d1pttptB8/9o0nNeZwdVAsnydPQr0/HpFpjzsZjHZ6NjiVvDYvtttpXKvWgJcjxUWm3Pp9h1f+6QgGFESG3ol8c4Ue2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L2UjW2qcdvAcZ+mvxA3vzkLoYPIZHq0I7R5miKEOLweXKyCd5Nxd2DnTn7NAiLBtLZjsATVm+BBUiMt8aP8eFi6M28EsnYCxQAi6SXjyM0/KSkQunpn3lKj4vS4KRJpT8NlIrsJxFsm8geZhT/l/ZNmO+baoa62UtFS605e994U= Received: by 10.141.163.12 with SMTP id q12mr6451097rvo.265.1199122604125; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:36:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310936t4823f42fxe3c45de4c6d13861@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:36:44 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <47792774.2080902@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <477925E9.2010400@gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310926m39291186rbb6924e200646c0c@mail.gmail.com> <47792774.2080902@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:45 -0000 Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Also, that email address for Henry bounced :-} Could you check it? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:31 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Victor Subervi wrote: > > Thanks. I'll drop him a line. > > Forgot to mention that as far I know it is straight Java also. As a > side note to those who are knocking Java a few things need to be > dismistified: > > I don't know if I am the exception but I know a fair number of > people who have switched from c/c++ to Java (like me)... most of my > carrer (and still do) is writting high performence code (largely via > custom alogrithems instead of hand optimization) and have had zero > issue with Java in this issue (except for the slow startup time for > the jvm). Matter one of my projects is a Java-->native compiler which > I eventually plan to base an OS around. > > > Victor > > > > On Dec 31, 2007 1:24 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman > > wrote: > > > > Victor Subervi wrote: > >>>> Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears > >>>> that no one has yet done anything substantial in open source > >>>> for translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. Go > >>>> figure. Sounds like C++ is the way to go. Now, getting back > >>>> on topic :) I know that one has to install all sorts of s/w > >>>> and rebuild the kernel for working with Java. Is that true of > >>>> C++ as well? Or is it like C, native to FBSD? > > If your talking natural langs then Henry Pjiffers > > (henry.pjiffers@gmail.com) has done a fair amount of work... even > > though he might attempt to sell you on "enhanced" open-source ;-) > > [I would also do this if I had done work in the translation area... > > he is the other 1/3 of the licensing model I have mentioned a few > > times on the lists] > > > >> > >> > > - -- > Aryeh M. Friedman > FloSoft Systems > http://www.flosoft-systems.com > Developer, not business, friendly > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHeSd0zIOMjAek4JIRAhgBAJ9mX2SUOPMBIKSse9/09BE8owV1QQCfTD6O > IU5nLP56NiASTFp90dMxrco= > =jQgV > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:39:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA03116A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884F113C4E8 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5057202rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:39:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=A1h9stNbIcwdtjLSbBFY/gBI57drOiGx0WCeRH+EgtI=; b=j8died37G7YMRN3xtkLrr5EP4D+suw89/7uQOrUuc2r9xtWlsZY6PzwvuBJlAK+4eGxEWhqZwStev1IY9xlTikSjze6IfUyemvPNtHmRemIB5UTum6aNg57gebmt+iFQvziC+BnEqRBStv828gT8nf7DgE7NpcASSpeXIuXvkyg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=iymyY15Ua8rWfMb0/vb5YrgSfPZtGPbbt44ecz5TQESLt0pgG8bSeFaObIVaOSvNAvS20o527xmSX+5vVHUENIe6yp5hxvr038aVTdq2cvF8G/1tln/QNw6cUHYBH/TbhqPzzuY6qRKpDXrEg0MAuPUaWkp/7XBIuC5vF822GS8= Received: by 10.140.201.1 with SMTP id y1mr6449058rvf.246.1199122762813; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from brahma.susmita.org ( [59.92.49.146]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k41sm1378370rvb.24.2007.12.31.09.39.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:39:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by brahma.susmita.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7D6EDCCED; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:09:17 +0530 (IST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:09:17 +0530 From: Girish Venkatachalam To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071231173917.GE19668@brahma.susmita.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: girishvenkatachalam@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:39:23 -0000 On 11:57:01 Dec 31, Victor Subervi wrote: > Hi; > Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) I don't think so. > I'm considering starting an open source project for language translation. > Initially, I'll write this in python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for > different needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need to look > toward a low-level language. I am not good in any :( I'm thinking Java's > probably my best bet, just because there are more Java programmers out there > than any other language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your comments > would be appreciated. I am yet to find something that C cannot do. I just finished creating the web interface for my firewall product in C. (I don't mean the interface,but the interface backend) The inteface will be in jQuery of course. No two ways about it. (http://jquery.com ) I have coded support for unlimited UNDO/REDO/BACK/FORWARD (time travel), support for concurrent processing, high performance, crash recovery and avoided the flaws of on the fly file reading in CGI/Ajax programming. I used a combo of UNIX domain sockets, daemon(3),poll(2), sophisticated linked lists with queue(3) macros, even object oriented programming all in C. Wondering how to do OO in C? Look at GTK. You can embed function pointers in structures right? And create a linked list? What more do you need for OO? Forget protection , encapsulation and all that marketing bullshit. We have code that works and that is what counts. Performance? Can you ever match C? This is a highly sensitive topic in which passions run high. So I don't plan to create a flame war in this beautiful New Year eve.;) Hope this helps. Wish you the very best in your project and may God bless you with every success! Happy 2008! -Girish From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:43:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E439F16A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA84913C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JTX0026ED8YANI0@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:43:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVHhjCo042945; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:43:45 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:43:45 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <4dc0cfea0712310936t4823f42fxe3c45de4c6d13861@mail.gmail.com> To: Victor Subervi Message-id: <47792A51.1070305@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <477925E9.2010400@gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310926m39291186rbb6924e200646c0c@mail.gmail.com> <47792774.2080902@gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310936t4823f42fxe3c45de4c6d13861@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071228) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:43:54 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Victor Subervi wrote: > Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have ever found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets me not worry about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. some performence/functionality gain Also, that email address for Henry bounced henry.pijffers@gmail.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSpRzIOMjAek4JIRAl1WAJ0bUH073PKH/wjg8cGvtY5Ww7IqaQCfTPws DWVv6YiE9DEC9vL2Pc0BIDo= =VmKj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:50:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FA816A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B1113C468 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5060464rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=313wPIYQUAVi7aSRi8kxpGfwk13V8cmfRTtevIdAYTg=; b=YZDssmOK8prhoYDqwQ1gJKiyz5XPqlgGKjIFcDhSKkQtqXGyJ4nIM62WdqpN5Nry3trr8UxuE/KYxMo93MkqJtyanWMv0bH6EPyCvQPllc9+23QOb0tX7LkZgdUFeIg2HBxKW+UB8R9xg6dwYvZOBQR/MRtdyLrHGGPVlnbOUO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CluWG06ZJUlfi7Mzmw53IEdVmiCL0Zm+1VJJXc2X2iXeHZiR7rQC0GLIemBwUP8M73UfIlJr0v4lPfodaCMD3jmjg9lrjqmMLM+RcW11mtcofie3WLPCqHwnv3YlmVv4oglEEET1Sz1RtGXS/689AbDYTv4ZDorhFp832DoQukc= Received: by 10.140.180.13 with SMTP id c13mr6472131rvf.121.1199123407193; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310950u508f8d54i903c5c25b56b8eff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:50:07 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Robert Huff" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <18297.10683.626482.862907@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <18297.10683.626482.862907@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:50:08 -0000 Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? TIA, Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > Hello: > > > Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that > > no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for > > translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. > > I don't have the original post, but if you're talking about > translating between human languages ... are you aware of OmegaT? > ("http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat"/"www.omegat.org") > > > > Robert Huff > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:51:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B2E16A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2891B13C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:51:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JTX009BODLME380@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:51:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVHpK9d076355; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:51:21 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:51:20 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <47792A51.1070305@gmail.com> To: Victor Subervi Message-id: <47792C18.7030007@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <477925E9.2010400@gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310926m39291186rbb6924e200646c0c@mail.gmail.com> <47792774.2080902@gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310936t4823f42fxe3c45de4c6d13861@mail.gmail.com> <47792A51.1070305@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071228) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:51:26 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Victor Subervi wrote: >> Hmm. Why did you switch to Java? > > Rich system API, everything inherits from Object (helps in many > situations), the relization that 99% of time I was using ptrs it > was only to keep a ref to some struct in RAM (the only time I have > ever found a use for them is when for some hardware reason you > *MUST* address a specific address in RAM) for low level work you > can turn the GC off via a non-JVM compilor, etc. Basically it lets > me not worry about low level details that are pure book keeping vs. > some performence/functionality gain Forgot to mention reflection which makes certain things possible (not just easier)... for example the aMock product I make would be impossible without reflection and even thisTest would be significantly harder to use without it. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeSwYzIOMjAek4JIRAl6DAKCNiZ6wv2cyyWbRzUpnUYa98X7lPACcDlfQ fmt4j82cfv77ixXRVlWbck8= =QhCH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:53:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACF416A468 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:53:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3F613C4F5 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:53:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5061242rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:53:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZhiXu1IBXMRUfekD/zAMtQT8ZaABurjHuvWW+u8D9P0=; b=GojrkuYbh0QnVKssgx+OYCyGfSmg2ge45KIzhsi1MECN6hPnXcKEYip8qFRjoaeQt8OFJkAah9oKDbvINQDX07A3JcL+SH04V4cIW646qE8ElaqV/NDd1eygiBl7WQHSc5eX6dESKbYYAA5wDtcsrWNgwsuEKCFa6aFmtEr0LCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fm8TfiHmPKoW1X0ipUose+Zkx2652DWFedhh0H08Ylveey/FzNOPN4XubceW/QIt0lJVTE6MGMoCh6lfwT4aXxkNrwvw/wla6aeDwpek53zh8/093JLcDoMdREia7IorEK2lHbSPBqC90wmqaXu85pN0Vfmx0QZFjovQF856k7Q= Received: by 10.141.197.8 with SMTP id z8mr6481652rvp.157.1199123585402; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:53:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:53:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310953r6cd4101lef8024031e4667d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:53:05 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Robert Huff" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310950u508f8d54i903c5c25b56b8eff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <18297.10683.626482.862907@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4dc0cfea0712310950u508f8d54i903c5c25b56b8eff@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:53:06 -0000 Thanks for both :) Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:50 PM, Victor Subervi wrote: > Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open > emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about LOL. Do it > all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support from the community. > Will look into it. Is jquery installed server-side? > TIA, > Victor > > On Dec 31, 2007 1:41 PM, Robert Huff wrote: > > > > > Hello: > > > > > Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that > > > no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for > > > translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. > > > > I don't have the original post, but if you're talking about > > translating between human languages ... are you aware of OmegaT? > > (" http://sourceforge.net/projects/omegat"/"www.omegat.org") > > > > > > > > Robert Huff > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:53:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DC716A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RW=b5f11cb9@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A61F13C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:53:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RW=b5f11cb9@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F045163F9D for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CFC23E49C for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:28:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:28:17 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071231172817.6a88903b@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:53:40 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 "Victor Subervi" wrote: > Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that no > one has yet done anything substantial in open source for translation, > which is a $12 billion/yr industry. If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:56:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39F316A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC3213C448 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (ool-435559b8.dyn.optonline.net [67.85.89.184]) by mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JTX00LTXDUBUI50@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from flosoft.no-ip.biz (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by flosoft.no-ip.biz (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVHuXEp099504; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:56:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:56:33 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-reply-to: <20071231172817.6a88903b@gumby.homeunix.com> To: RW Message-id: <47792D51.20307@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <20071231172817.6a88903b@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071228) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:56:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 "Victor Subervi" > wrote: > >> Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that >> no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for >> translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. > > If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. C and Java. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHeS1RzIOMjAek4JIRAk7EAKCLVho0xH0JUMD9axAgov0skoTeSgCfefqB ubBjgpMuJUOwHYBeyLJY+iQ= =00mx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 17:59:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E4316A420 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A634213C46E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id b23so2722809poe.3 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:59:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iRqW7df/+nMBh0o86aDxO8gxeNSyQMqicHo7sx8EgxQ=; b=FqT27R4RlnWAvDhSPKtEIPn8Qc6rdRHyLnCtrs3EXbgjfByZZT3My5lyfB1asOIqSHsfb5FsC187VQ+e/ArtJ6AfTiyLsFE8KRRQ2M/OjNG3ymYrP9zywfL2YM3e2PTX+FqYc36gwHFDsMcXe2Q/7+vFwEioTkz/FehEfvfl9KE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=x7+3zRFGR5vkh44Mam3bgRiHvVWJ0HxoMBNIz+VZOKXpmwcodWjC8/AnYpzQPAnBuPx/fcRA69qPS0uRMDG1Lh5fj0GUb2ZOH5kbRAoGLzUW7MHZ1/RY7ptjeAsrVqHVj0UFNnoJdyIJcZYorCiMTazhxIC2MxUytF0/yVroe1U= Received: by 10.141.88.3 with SMTP id q3mr188821rvl.94.1199123951343; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:59:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712310959n444df1e9y5a2ac085f1d4ac2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:59:11 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <47792D51.20307@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <20071231172817.6a88903b@gumby.homeunix.com> <47792D51.20307@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:59:11 -0000 Now that's the smartest suggestion yet! Victor On Dec 31, 2007 1:56 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > RW wrote: > > On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:04:07 -0400 "Victor Subervi" > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks for the comments. It's a serious project. It appears that > >> no one has yet done anything substantial in open source for > >> translation, which is a $12 billion/yr industry. > > > > If I were you, I'd look into what languages the industry is using. > > C and Java. > > - -- > Aryeh M. Friedman > FloSoft Systems > http://www.flosoft-systems.com > Developer, not business, friendly > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHeS1RzIOMjAek4JIRAk7EAKCLVho0xH0JUMD9axAgov0skoTeSgCfefqB > ubBjgpMuJUOwHYBeyLJY+iQ= > =00mx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 18:32:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456A016A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:32:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139BC13C46E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:32:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5072077rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=exn6CGnVOss0L/UfnSmVPIcS9WXNPuaawyNJF1An00c=; b=aLstyNGvxUNkLBRoiWiCjeTg5QR5Lo7d83odEIdyqNOw9OjbF6lLMIMWVIqi073xamaJcZLn6tGs6mr3ptU0Exau6cO7Fcp6xc30cm+UNyucNBgjF6iB3rsECPWsq8qciBsIQDGuMiFQDeahY6iQ5PcFjYlmV3gBe8KQwKhLavc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fOhObhk/RPpSIorMnK74kaNPkiGmRABuGb+r/udUUJiufYF/GJxr6T1quuxwqHbpmjLgJMb4R71m5hc7KtvRUK670BeKecXSKmzSfclKa8AaBZ8SdtyBp3WlPKOd+o9x8C3efFhh5RQ/n3mFMs5YvBiDyXgp4HSr68Sjp3tEkMI= Received: by 10.141.177.2 with SMTP id e2mr6478766rvp.268.1199125975493; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:32:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712311032k1f03ff1em521c6ea0c12d65d8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:32:55 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: "Robert Huff" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <18297.12413.784161.298086@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <18297.10683.626482.862907@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4dc0cfea0712310950u508f8d54i903c5c25b56b8eff@mail.gmail.com> <18297.12413.784161.298086@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:32:56 -0000 Annoted :) On 12/31/07, Robert Huff wrote: > > > Victor Subervi writes: > > > Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open > > emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about > > LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support > > from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed > > server-side? > > I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea > how it works. > I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have > evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. > If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write > and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me > up and I can put you in contact. > > > Robert Huff > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 18:37:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B597716A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deb.guy@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEEA13C457 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from deb.guy@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5073306rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:37:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=/Jifd6rSIG42c5f9oxp+weKa5+EmKdok8djiqvtmAQE=; b=Veo3ULG5EkQCIgtV2FyRT4qK4tLKq7nn6l323K4PxeVDI19Q/iEsAQLED4u05KGJpqBaV2danFcs14EhBcpoPUOUkvdmSHc+QTGlFd751guHth4XJC6cKuOHhNxS9SXTaYugofHtpxi+uBI8SbUb4vsIV+9AJvJucLDyLjMqwdk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=pQEkKWb8z+PxAmIaznAVQmrDVqBkglJO8bEOAYykT/Z75t4RJ9RTUcVDrhdgf0M+tBREI7TmRU5VcE+qZRs+TJ9QxWJ0+RBDJR51xpvWH+7LWiGogL5EnCybdU3R6bCedJ6d/4NFEEwGY5l56Ts4mLLC1B85bNgMeogv5EeZZm8= Received: by 10.140.142.4 with SMTP id p4mr6460694rvd.261.1199124655383; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:10:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.163.2 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:10:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <10f7864f0712311010x2497409ava350991ccebf3ae2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:10:55 -0600 From: "Gary Smithe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: corporate backers of freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:37:02 -0000 Good Day All and Happy New Year, I'm not looking to incite anyone, but here comes a BSD vs Linux question. Yes, I tried searching the archives and found nothing. I used FreeBSD back in 2000 for a few firewalls, but due to certain influences I switched to Linux after a couple of years. I'm interested in getting back to the BSD's but have just one big concern. As most users Unix and it's clones, I prefer the "free as in beer" licensing model, but want to know that someone else is paying the big bills. In short, here's my question: Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers and the money that supports them. I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the community? I guess my big concern is that I'd like for development to continue, with new features and hardware being supported. The best way for this to happen, IMHO, is for the developers to have full time jobs essentially devoted to FreeBSD and that some, if not most of that work is then sent back to the community. I'm not saying that I should contribute nothing, as I have contributed cash via CD's, T-Shirts, and other venues, but that doesn't provide nearly the revenue that a good corporate backer can. And just to throw more gasoline on the fire, I'll also assume that the BSD's are going strong and that there are no concerns of them suddenly disappearing if I make the change over. If you made it this far, thanks for your time in reading it. dg From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 18:39:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212A916A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29A313C461 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:39:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5074064rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=owKJ+W+AbjWhIcdB8MJIpDltbr0Iwq3IphizlYXWV1Y=; b=CoU4pc271Cv6f7DPEI94AQdH0JuFchxKOUzAXCGD0dPQcyV4bCiaH6CAj3RFtuWRohkQ8OVC4Uhi70hYOFAFLXrnqv3FVkmRwjVJrmteD0W/h7/kczz8kxL2gOOwagji2/eNQ3aVnZx1rCgdUvPI3wsEncZNmPU3gXo89LYd8HE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Gwmecv8+yjI3wZcAQ9kwRiSX/SU8NtlWwS/9S0y+5H+Aod5y1KsK8mE13OL60iO/Yh2AmwcVxMSQY1Utl76hAY/HFF65ejRQeWgC21fEUCInTMXjsjB2tvfVqvhf0mhAczMCAQUx5B6TLWTbSkZNt4QP3Q23GK7wK1EdPDLIupQ= Received: by 10.141.167.5 with SMTP id u5mr6500042rvo.189.1199126373647; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:39:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712311039s4040f6fdt9cc16d06c89ae548@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:39:33 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <18297.12413.784161.298086@jerusalem.litteratus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <18297.10683.626482.862907@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4dc0cfea0712310950u508f8d54i903c5c25b56b8eff@mail.gmail.com> <18297.12413.784161.298086@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:39:34 -0000 BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: =A8translation software=A8java 2,350,000 hits =A8translation software=A8=A8c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Robert Huff wrote: > > > Victor Subervi writes: > > > Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open > > emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about > > LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support > > from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed > > server-side? > > I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea > how it works. > I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have > evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. > If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write > and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me > up and I can put you in contact. > > > Robert Huff > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 18:40:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EEA16A41B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EB413C4CE for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:40:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from victorsubervi@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5074324rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:40:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=T5E0oEkyd11Hr6r+aguvhYimgB4aiL0no4ch8Qr0y6g=; b=O16TsL2AvG9IGx+p3252L8cOJ1TZFWtcoqvE4dVu87Vb/wMUOmPB8uhxNoNRQcWWu5U88bdXagEWcH19GrQNTWRtC8L2qOZi5bEP9mlhtkA2DSxpzgesHV9SxyGYY8D24YtFnHr02wVGO1Vs5bM5kwLgAuEK1WsBi1gMjOt+I24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=hc+YSBq+6FNAZ58mJjUOusOv2CG3p4jagV7rwkXSFphFGv3pGpHuE7cZLjW8n3b9ebZum0tjZE4RrFXgpH5MufVMqDsFz+kC2JlZK5rJMuetwmK5o64DYQJIuem7vZmtr60h6tHqAh9xMmT1q8mrVhKy3asMGoGotQ2M0jygDC8= Received: by 10.140.249.20 with SMTP id w20mr6499679rvh.66.1199126428979; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.99.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:40:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4dc0cfea0712311040n424db45ak365bcfe510d0b054@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:40:28 -0400 From: "Victor Subervi" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712311032k1f03ff1em521c6ea0c12d65d8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> <4dc0cfea0712310904m6ea9a530k7be838f6ab0aa302@mail.gmail.com> <18297.10683.626482.862907@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4dc0cfea0712310950u508f8d54i903c5c25b56b8eff@mail.gmail.com> <18297.12413.784161.298086@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4dc0cfea0712311032k1f03ff1em521c6ea0c12d65d8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:40:30 -0000 BTW, someone wisely suggested looking up what the industry uses. This from Google: =A8translation software=A8java 2,350,000 hits =A8translation software=A8=A8c++ 224,000 hits Hmmm... Victor On 12/31/07, Victor Subervi wrote: > > Annoted :) > > On 12/31/07, Robert Huff wrote: > > > > > > Victor Subervi writes: > > > > > Yeah, this is what happens when some ding-a-ling asks a wide open > > > emotionally sensitive question on an issue he knows nothing about > > > LOL. Do it all in C? Interesting. Much easier, much more support > > > from the community. Will look into it. Is jquery installed > > > server-side? > > > > I do not now and have never used the program. I have no idea > > how it works. > > I know tanslation professional who have used it, or who have > > evaluated it in compariso to thigs like Trados ad DejaVu. > > If your project ever reaches beta, or if you're doing a re-write > > and want input on what features real users would kill for, look me > > up and I can put you in contact. > > > > > > Robert Huff > > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 18:44:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DD316A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D929D13C4DB for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:44:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so832856nzf.13 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:44:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=g6Hsc6Onb3evxfMwkIhonowtO6Uvq3IuSP0nszsU4B4=; b=ibUZzIZmeVEV7LG30GS+tLAG+l7HouGF1R8lXXdvwwos6NZq8saKVHiCzctRbSrCqEuD0dfQDLxCZ7/AlswGFtqAj0VuXJymnw13z5OyWZFq9krdWU7EJeSQynFkv5tPc4+G1ARGw2Os6WEweOlgPW8YC/xyaPoDQ2dUWmBSBRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tEyb2p7Zl/7TdcXKB1KEmgYEouQi8lv86seZ3csFJpXmWHDW5f5gKGrIKXY4g0uQx2BslyGpPZNSAT/CKxG3w1ODhug03wGMWUN3y13OAZoAPCQIehLc7bqRm37fjQ8i3CNtFKdNsQRhtmzSXUEDF1LRQ1JvQcPh7MIRlHAvY0M= Received: by 10.142.86.7 with SMTP id j7mr3666544wfb.78.1199126666606; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:44:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.72.20 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:44:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:44:26 -0800 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Gary Smithe" In-Reply-To: <10f7864f0712311010x2497409ava350991ccebf3ae2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <10f7864f0712311010x2497409ava350991ccebf3ae2@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: corporate backers of freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:44:28 -0000 On Dec 31, 2007 10:10 AM, Gary Smithe wrote: > I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming > there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the > community? If memory serves, Yahoo! also is a substantial user of FreeBSD, though I don't have any insight into their support of it. Also, IIRC, F5 seems to make use of it in their products. Their support may consist of employing FreeBSD talent, or may be more substantial. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 18:57:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A89E16A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: from smtp2.tls.net (smtp2.tls.net [65.196.224.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D90A13C45D for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:57:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave.list@pixelhammer.com) Received: (qmail 79294 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2007 18:57:25 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.2.3 ppid: 79284, pid: 79290, t: 0.1627s scanners: attach: 1.2.3 clamav: 0.91.1/m:45 spam: 3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on smtp-2.tls.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=20.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=disabled version=3.2.1 Received: from 208-70-40-123.bb.hrtc.net (HELO ?192.168.0.109?) (ldg%tls.net@208.70.40.123) by auth-smtp2.tls.net with ESMTPA; 31 Dec 2007 18:57:25 -0000 Message-ID: <47793C07.30803@pixelhammer.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:59:19 -0500 From: DAve User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <10f7864f0712311010x2497409ava350991ccebf3ae2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <10f7864f0712311010x2497409ava350991ccebf3ae2@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: corporate backers of freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:57:26 -0000 Gary Smithe wrote: > Good Day All and Happy New Year, > > I'm not looking to incite anyone, but here comes a BSD vs Linux > question. Yes, I tried searching the archives and found nothing. > > I used FreeBSD back in 2000 for a few firewalls, but due to certain > influences I switched to Linux after a couple of years. > > I'm interested in getting back to the BSD's but have just one big concern. > > As most users Unix and it's clones, I prefer the "free as in beer" > licensing model, but want to know that someone else is paying the big > bills. > > In short, here's my question: > > Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / > supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into > the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers > and the money that supports them. > > I've seen where Cisco and Juniper are using FreeBSD, and assuming > there are other big names, do they directly fund or contribute to the > community? > > I guess my big concern is that I'd like for development to continue, > with new features and hardware being supported. The best way for this > to happen, IMHO, is for the developers to have full time jobs > essentially devoted to FreeBSD and that some, if not most of that work > is then sent back to the community. > > I'm not saying that I should contribute nothing, as I have contributed > cash via CD's, T-Shirts, and other venues, but that doesn't provide > nearly the revenue that a good corporate backer can. > > And just to throw more gasoline on the fire, I'll also assume that the > BSD's are going strong and that there are no concerns of them suddenly > disappearing if I make the change over. > Can't answer the rest of your questions but I can say we are a large Midwest ISP and we use the best tool for the job. Sometimes it is Server 2003 (Windows media streaming), sometimes it is Linux (ISCSI initiator), sometimes it is NetBSD (old Sparc boxes), more often than anything else it has been FreeBSD (mail, web, SQL, ftp, QT Streaming). There has never been any concern with using FreeBSD as a production OS either towards it's stability, ability, or it's future. If FreeBSD suites your needs, by all means switch over. DAve -- Google finally, after 7 years, provided a logo for veterans. Thank you Google. What to do with my signature now? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 19:11:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEAF16A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3F213C458 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ecerejo@optonline.net) Received: from ecerejo.netgear.com (ool-44c03822.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.56.34]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0JTX00FZ6HBDHT10@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:11:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:11:34 -0500 From: "E. J. Cerejo" In-reply-to: <20071231173828.GC802@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> To: Jerry McAllister , FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <47793EE6.1010406@optonline.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000701c84b74$dfc15ca0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> <20071231145006.GA99984@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <000401c84bc4$40734af0$0301a8c0@homedcfc9a526e> <20071231173828.GC802@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071031) Cc: Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:11:40 -0000 Jerry McAllister wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 10:46:04AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jerry McAllister" >> To: "E. J. Cerejo" >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:50 AM >> Subject: Re: Boot Menu Damaged >> >> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 01:17:51AM -0500, E. J. Cerejo wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm running FreeBSD 6 stable and I lost my boot menu after reinstalling >>>> xp >>>> and tried to fix it by booting with instalation cd and run "fdisk -B -b >>>> /boot/boot0 /dev/ad0" it restored it but when I boot I get the mountroot> >>>> prompt, it fails to mount ad0s2a, b, c, d. Is it possible to fix this or >>>> do I have to reinstall freebsd? >>>> >>> It may be that you got the slices no longer marked as bootable. >>> Try using fdisk(8) or boot0cfg(8) to re-enable booting on those slices. >>> >>> ////jerry >>> >> Do you run it from the instalation CD using fixit or run from the mountroot >> prompt on the computer. It seems to me I can't can any commands from this >> prompt. >> > > I would do it from the fixit. > > Well that didn't work but I finally fixed it. from the moutroot I was able to go into single user mode by running these commands: ufs:/dev/ad0s2a fsck -p / mount / after this I was able to check and fix my /etc/fstab file, for some reason the mount points got all changed to slice 4, e.g. ad0s4a, changed them back to ad0s2a and so on, after that I was able to boot just fine. How it happened I have no idea. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 19:53:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18DF716A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E0C13C45D for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:53:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stapleton.41@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so8244242waf.3 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:53:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=yQVm0S85frHAVDhtdzp9DJ0nl84TvdjXpI3nuaHhvAk=; b=RTj+ToupJ/yj0PUXVIAu2KRBALMibEzcCa4Kp5l3r6HaFLRPrMU74CmjiwiZZuznuXvhCpv1XcakdwBdxcWdPw4XSE6RxLj71kHyRw+ppgznc5e05+Sa45x2aI0LSatmdwSBPNM5u2uJMd4y9vUxzp79eqNihU6c5MM8K34eu7g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gpsn5OyB+SZ6W249BOxnPwgY+akhwCJl3+JGdIaxal1I/rpZskPRardx5+lMrgYolco+aoXAOdQKIikG7Wh8zA8XTZr2Hq+/h3+cTmpduhTKEP8W4333d4K88dvjn6DxWzpx7KmzvVrTKjTSu3RnVH7zQimtd3T9ah3zFvExkq0= Received: by 10.115.76.1 with SMTP id d1mr13231205wal.108.1199130795811; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.240.16 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:53:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <80f4f2b20712311153h354d259cxf8644bcbb2d26b58@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:53:15 -0500 From: "Jim Stapleton" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071231095507.0234630e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <80f4f2b20712310641k4649c0bbi99363c7be47655c2@mail.gmail.com> <20071231095507.0234630e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Subject: Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:53:17 -0000 Thanks. I feel stupid now (through my own stupidity and not the fault of anyone here but me). I should have looked at that before. I have always done a minimal install of FreeBSD (well, for 6.1 and 6.2, didn't use FreeBSD before that), and have not had any problems getting the man pages before. Is this new, or is my memory going/gone? -Jim On Dec 31, 2007 9:55 AM, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to "Jim Stapleton" : > > > > None of the default man pages were installed on my system when I > > installed FreeBSD recently. I figured I forgot some part of the > > install (accidentally forgot to click something). Does anyone know how > > I can trivially obtain the base install's man pages? > > Boot up the system and log in as root. Then run sysinstall. Select > Custom -> Distributions -> Custom. From there you can select the > man distribution. Then OK your way back until sysinstall actually > installs the man pages. > > I expect you selected a "minimal" install when you installed, which > doesn't include man pages. > > -- > Bill Moran > http://www.potentialtech.com > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 20:07:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77EE16A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jy-p@fixedpointgroup.com) Received: from mail.smartchem.us (mail.smartchem.us [70.227.131.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8802B13C44B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jy-p@fixedpointgroup.com) Received: from [10.0.0.112] (unknown [10.0.0.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smartchem.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3AA43231 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:33 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47794BED.6090007@fixedpointgroup.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:09 -0600 From: Jacob Yocom-Piatt Organization: Fixed Point Group LLC User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070430) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ssh + kerberos: problems w/ -current to openbsd 4.2 KDC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jy-p@fixedpointgroup.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:07:11 -0000 have most of the machines here doing ssh authentication via kerberos against a heimdal KDC running openbsd 4.2-release. the freebsd 7.0beta4 host i recently installed will not allow machines to ssh into it using kerberos credentials but it (freebsd host) does successfully get and use tickets from the KDC when [gssapi] correct_des3_mic = host/*@MYDOMAIN.COM is added to /etc/krb5.conf. nothing notable shows up in the KDC logs and the following appears in /var/log/auth.log on the freebsd host: Dec 31 12:46:48 databank1 sshd[24658]: error: ssh_msg_send: write Dec 31 12:50:14 databank1 sshd[24690]: error: ssh_msg_send: write the changes made on the freebsd host to accommodate kerberos authentication were in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /etc/pam.d/sshd, respectively: KerberosAuthentication yes KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes KerberosTicketCleanup yes GSSAPIAuthentication yes GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass account required pam_krb5.so password sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn try_first_pass where the lines in /etc/pam.d/sshd were simply uncommented and in the original order. debugging outputs from a client trying to ssh into the freebsd host are not very enlightening: ... debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic debug1: Delegating credentials debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive debug1: Next authentication method: publickey ... any clues as to what needs to be done to get this to work correctly would be appreciated. cheers, jake -- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 20:08:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA76816A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@gracenpeace.net) Received: from shorty.gracenpeace.net (shorty.gracenpeace.net [209.98.246.61]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C3F713C458 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joe@gracenpeace.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (mail.holidaycompanies.com [209.98.45.253]) by shorty.gracenpeace.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5299E439025 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:42:16 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <47794616.20805@gracenpeace.net> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:42:14 -0600 From: Joe in MPLS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: "Drop in" replacement for imap-UW? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:08:40 -0000 I've been running imap-UW on FreeBSD 6.x STABLE for a while. Clients are mostly Thunderbird, TREOs and Horde (running on the same box. I'm having issues when multiple clients try to access the same user's mailbox. Typically the TREO will do a scheduled check for new mail while Thunderbird has it already open. Research indicates that this is a limitation of the UW imapd implementation. Can anyone recommend a good and secure imapd implementation that won't require a ton of reconfiguration? Mostly I'd like the replacement to be able to use all the existing end-user imap folders and mail spools. All users have accounts and mail spools on the box. There's no virtual users or database authentication backends to deal with. TIA ...jgm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 20:13:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9386916A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:13:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wahjava@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B495513C447 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wahjava@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so5101586rvb.43 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:13:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:x-face:references:x-pgp-fp:x-pgp:x-mailer:x-attribution:pgp:organization:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:face:mime-version:content-type:sender; bh=I6yJYb3Lv5Ifb6cwp3Nh85xyUyWqWACDIPIXu6T3hHE=; b=jCBPZ/U1ispPbyi31dv5TNQ+eLiAE1W2P/XWH7HoDIaFOQoKr+KoTCjc8/62zl8i5adN9NtoLGXj1ulfoUTR6omZ+pDg15vAXVPCk96zkH8cKAntdG4eWek9kqAs6svLaswn3KpPDvexggVULJta714Wd4INdQuS1FiHC6BJZH4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:x-face:references:x-pgp-fp:x-pgp:x-mailer:x-attribution:pgp:organization:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:face:mime-version:content-type:sender; b=L3CeYfPB2B8AEcv5ZmpS61C3hHWJ7mYGxmMGC4ULJ9f/hTmYD2TwOksfQ+YUVMLvxAiJV1TEkE/qfwiDvRCxGjt/6XDrhjMrDQMrDGfvKDWI4AJD4Z7xGj8AkA7xMyfTRbtapJWA4uxFCeJX7sTd+9PN9rk6wL9oHbKHDHBcWSQ= Received: by 10.141.212.5 with SMTP id o5mr6562746rvq.20.1199132033088; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from chateau.d.lf ( [122.162.237.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm1135196rvb.27.2007.12.31.12.13.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:13:52 -0800 (PST) To: =?utf-8?B?4KSF4KSo4KWB4KScIEFudWogU2luZ2g=?= X-Face: "\:nMpJ)EA!j>2nEu-[(+&o:N+CtL^AS\, Jv*LO5qBr#W2.\=d <14989d6e0712300849k58d23055kf32ab529eda9b52@mail.gmail.com> <3120c9e30712300933m4ebbfecbudef3a1120b0c3539@mail.gmail.com> <4778851F.7020006@korn.net> <3120c9e30712301933o5792709bw68afd5db469a3d31@mail.gmail.com> <20071231075952.GA6687@chateau.d.lf> <3120c9e30712310546j19df56f6k3bc6b794c8150df3@mail.gmail.com> X-PGP-FP: 1E00 4679 77E4 F8EE 2E4B 56F2 1F2F 8410 762E 5E74 X-PGP: 762E5E74 X-Mailer: Gnus/5.11 (Oort 5.11) Emacs/22.1.50.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Attribution: =?utf-8?B?4KSG4KS24KWA4KS3?= PGP: 762E5E74 Organization: /\/0/\/3 From: wahjava.ml@gmail.com (Ashish Shukla =?utf-8?B?4KSG4KS24KWA4KS3IA==?= =?utf-8?B?4KS24KWB4KSV4KWN4KSy?=) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:43:13 +0530 In-Reply-To: <3120c9e30712310546j19df56f6k3bc6b794c8150df3@mail.gmail.com> (=?utf-8?B?IuCkheCkqOClgeCknA==?= Anuj Singh"'s message of "Mon\, 31 Dec 2007 19\:16\:37 +0530") Message-ID: <87myrq7hd2.fsf@chateau.d.lf> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEVfX1/8/PwTExMDAwO0 tLSampr////f398oKCi/v78MDAwICAihq32EAAACU0lEQVQ4jW3UvWvbQBQA8LOJsJIsOajtZAtH Aqq8FLQUvNjhCex2UYpE7XYytPJalxJnFMImqrOkIJfcZtwGgrqEhELQ/XN9p+jLbc+Drfvx7r17 9jNxszXCV2mR9P3ACoKAOM5bugn1hRBRFAnxeErLMN4RIpbwYKwmZfgkMGDNol8PhlFrFDDalQcx BMMwXpwV8KElYqYzpmOA0a4UsC/EmrEU4ptGDq9kghTabP09g9EuFiSpJQOYXslgrEd6Aj8Q7pl+ kcFH3NRlUTIFfvyZwV4sEzwV20a4y2A/BWEYLxdYwk0Gn+Mohfa2X4bXsn8StC0uYdVI4T02cK0F is15ArcZYKeER5Q+f4JofZZHiPshJPt8BwtPrp4kF+KOp+sdpjvOjqpf3n+1bD6dTjk3ySKuZVU1 ezcdpm3h/pL4h9eP3Rw6R5bqa9t86a/1W3OVd7dpzgBMx8YAxVFgvgmqDTwEdQignOVgI1ggoQMA x40CFHzmCHgXcEoAig39MOSATTGt5znQL4qDIRIgNK2LAqYWAl47lBGDSgHNjoOt6vdDkNAtQc9E wN0EJgXQN7aMSABIGU7mMiI5CtQJzX9w9PwQYOApVqBwCMqwp9lmkKzh0qM5uPTAn/Vw0ogazK9m JRjR6pHqEVyqd1XbgPPfKkgAddClxRi49NmKcNMh+JV4T7mzqW1e2jwk3pAPjugGuCfHPLRIP/Qr tLEB9daW7HrvcLIx55i/9zjkfMlO//pnwLHyPcupzrL9AtxrFgTaN/dfGFcjreb+B9wmnzaKpz8p dKsBFjzeRQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: =?UTF-8?B?4KSG4KS24KWA4KS3IOCktuClgeCkleCljeCksg==?= Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: installing linux after freebsd (multi-boot) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:13:54 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "=E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C" =3D=3D =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0= =A5=81=E0=A4=9C Anuj Singh writes: =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> On Dec 31, 2007 1:29 PM, =E0=A4= =86=E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B7 =E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=95=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4= =B2 Ashish Shukla wrote: >> ,--[ On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 09:03:08AM +0530, =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0= =A5=81=E0=A4=9C Anuj Singh wrote: >>=20 >> [snipped] >>=20 >> | > >> On 30/12/2007, ???? wrote: >> | > >> >> | > >>> Hello , >> | > >>> I have freebsd6.2 installed with Fedora core 7 and rhe4. >> | > >>> I am installing rhel5 , when linux installation process star= ts I get an >> | > >>> error of /dev/hdc1 busy , can not report to kernel about par= tition >> | > >>> layout. In the past I installed linux then FreeBSD. >> | > >>> Is there some method that rhel5 installation can skip /dev/h= dc1 >> | > >>> (freebsd slice) ? saving my freebsd installation >>=20 >> You get /dev/hdc1 busy error. At which step in installation, you get >> /dev/hdc1 busy error, hmm...? Are you trying to remove '/dev/hdc1' >> (FreeBSD slice), if yes, then you'll get error, and you probably nee= d to >> remove FreeBSD partitions (present in slice) first. =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> No I am not removing/mounting/usi= ng FreeBSD slice. =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> This is the log... =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:29:50 INFO : moving (1) to = step confirminstall =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:13 INFO : moving (1) to = step install =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:13 INFO : moving (1) to = step enablefilesystems =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:17 INFO : lv is VolGroup= 00/LogVol00, size of 1472 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:17 INFO : lv is VolGroup= 00/LogVol01, size of 2496 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:17 INFO : lv is VolGroup= 00/LogVol02, size of 672 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:17 INFO : lv is VolGroup= 00/LogVol03, size of 1024 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:17 INFO : lv is VolGroup= 00/LogVol04, size of 9984 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:17 INFO : lv is VolGroup= 00/LogVol05, size of 9344 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:17 INFO : removing lv Lo= gVol03 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:18 INFO : removing lv Lo= gVol00 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:18 INFO : removing lv Lo= gVol04 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:19 INFO : removing lv Lo= gVol05 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:19 INFO : removing lv Lo= gVol02 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:20 INFO : removing lv Lo= gVol01 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:21 INFO : pv is /dev/hdc= 11 in vg VolGroup00, size is 29996 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:21 INFO : vgremove VolGr= oup00 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:22 INFO : pvremove -ff -= y /dev/hdc11 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:22 INFO : pvcreate -ff -= y -v /dev/hdc11 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:30:23 CRITICAL: parted excepti= on: Error: Error informing the kernel =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> about modifications to partition = /dev/hdc1 -- Device or resource busy. =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> This means Linux won't know about= any changes you made to /dev/hdc1 =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> until you reboot -- so you should= n't mount it or use it in any way =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> before rebooting. =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> 03:31:08 CRITICAL: Traceback (mos= t recent call first): =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/partedUti= ls.py", line 876, in savePartitions =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> disk.commit() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/packages.= py", line 145, in turnOnFilesystems =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> anaconda.id.diskset.savePartition= s () =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.= py", line 201, in moveStep =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> rc =3D stepFunc(self.anaconda) =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.= py", line 124, in gotoNext =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.moveStep() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", = line 1007, in nextClicked =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.anaconda.dispatch.gotoNext() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/iw/progre= ss_gui.py", line 243, in renderCallback =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.intf.icw.nextClicked() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", = line 1034, in handleRenderCallback =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.currentWindow.renderCallback= () =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> error: Error: Error informing the= kernel about modifications to =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or = resource busy. This means Linux =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> won't know about any changes you = made to /dev/hdc1 until you reboot -- =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> so you shouldn't mount it or use = it in any way before rebooting. =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> From anacdump.txt =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> Traceback (most recent call first= ): =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/partedUti= ls.py", line 876, in savePartitions =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> disk.commit() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/packages.= py", line 145, in turnOnFilesystems =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> anaconda.id.diskset.savePartition= s () =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.= py", line 201, in moveStep =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> rc =3D stepFunc(self.anaconda) =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/dispatch.= py", line 124, in gotoNext =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.moveStep() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", = line 1007, in nextClicked =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.anaconda.dispatch.gotoNext() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/iw/progre= ss_gui.py", line 243, in renderCallback =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.intf.icw.nextClicked() =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> File "/usr/lib/anaconda/gui.py", = line 1034, in handleRenderCallback =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self.currentWindow.renderCallback= () =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> error: Error: Error informing the= kernel about modifications to =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> partition /dev/hdc1 -- Device or = resource busy. This means Linux =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> won't know about any changes you = made to /dev/hdc1 until you reboot -- =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> so you shouldn't mount it or use = it in any way before rebooting. =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> Local variables in innermost fram= e: =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> self: =E0=A4=85=E0=A4=A8=E0=A5=81=E0=A4=9C> disk: Can you paste your partition layout, including any LVM volumes (if you've) ? =2D-=20 Ashish Shukla =E0=A4=86=E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B7 =E0=A4=B6=E0=A5=81=E0=A4= =95=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=B2 http://wahjava.wordpress.com/ =C2=B7-- =C2=B7- =C2=B7=C2=B7=C2=B7=C2=B7 =C2=B7--- =C2=B7- =C2=B7=C2=B7=C2= =B7- =C2=B7- =C2=B7--=C2=B7-=C2=B7 --=C2=B7 -- =C2=B7- =C2=B7=C2=B7 =C2=B7-= =C2=B7=C2=B7 =C2=B7-=C2=B7-=C2=B7- -=C2=B7-=C2=B7 --- -- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHeU1iHy+EEHYuXnQRAn/LAKDi81dOyzPnigO+tdrVymcM9ReGawCgkVEm 1tbywYGDCcGquj8oOtm0i6Q= =uHr+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 20:59:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4222216A508 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1179C13C4D1 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBVKx2EL026898 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:59:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:59:01 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <47794616.20805@gracenpeace.net> In-Reply-To: <47794616.20805@gracenpeace.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712311459.02245.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: "Drop in" replacement for imap-UW? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:59:06 -0000 On Monday 31 December 2007 01:42:14 pm Joe in MPLS wrote: > I've been running imap-UW on FreeBSD 6.x STABLE for a while. Clients are > mostly Thunderbird, TREOs and Horde (running on the same box. > > I'm having issues when multiple clients try to access the same user's > mailbox. Typically the TREO will do a scheduled check for new mail while > Thunderbird has it already open. Research indicates that this is a > limitation of the UW imapd implementation. > > Can anyone recommend a good and secure imapd implementation that won't > require a ton of reconfiguration? Mostly I'd like the replacement to be > able to use all the existing end-user imap folders and mail spools. All > users have accounts and mail spools on the box. There's no virtual users > or database authentication backends to deal with. > > TIA ...jgm im not having any trouble using kmail from my freebsd desktop, thunderbird from my mac, and outlook from my pocketpc all at the same time, using dovecot. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 21:45:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36AB516A468 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:45:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RW=b5f11cb9@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-03.mxes.net (mxout-03.mxes.net [216.86.168.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1114513C46E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RW=b5f11cb9@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1669F23E49A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:45:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:45:24 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071231214524.1956314a@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <47794616.20805@gracenpeace.net> References: <47794616.20805@gracenpeace.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: "Drop in" replacement for imap-UW? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:45:52 -0000 On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:42:14 -0600 Joe in MPLS wrote: > I'm having issues when multiple clients try to access the same user's > mailbox. Typically the TREO will do a scheduled check for new mail > while Thunderbird has it already open. Research indicates that this > is a limitation of the UW imapd implementation. Could it be the deadlock bug that's fixed in the latest release (2006k): http://www.washington.edu/imap/documentation/RELNOTES.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 21:52:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8797716A41A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:52:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@chrismaness.com) Received: from ns1.kq6up.org (adsl-76-238-148-145.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [76.238.148.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5252813C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:52:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@chrismaness.com) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([192.168.1.2]) by ns1.kq6up.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBVLNXeA074970 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:23:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@chrismaness.com) Message-ID: <47795DD0.2040608@chrismaness.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:23:28 -0800 From: Chris Maness User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NFS issues ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:52:25 -0000 I am trying to mount a Linux box with NFS from my FreeBSD box, with the command: # mount_nfs4 192.168.1.66:/home/chris/ /mnt/nfs/ where the IP is the Linux box and the share is /home/chris When I run the command I get: mount_nfs4: /mnt/nfs: No such file or directory Now /mnt/nfs exists and is writable. Running showmount returns: # showmount -e 192.168.1.66 /home/chris ns1 Very strange, I have done this in the past with no problems. Any suggestions? -- Chris Maness (909) 223-9179 http://www.chrismaness.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 22:00:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1AAA16A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) Received: from n068.sc1.he.tucows.com (smtpout0160.sc1.he.tucows.com [64.97.136.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A10D13C4E5 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) Received: from sc1-out05.emaildefenseservice.com (64.97.139.2) by n068.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 4769316E003104C2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:00:57 +0000 X-SpamScore: 2 X-Spamcatcher-Summary: 2, 0, 0, 8e282dfb411c22d4, fc41cb1ab6cf500f, kneel.pardoe@virgin.net, -, RULES_HIT:355:379:599:601:945:966:967:973:980:988:989:1260:1261:1277:1311:1312:1313:1314:1345:1358:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1519:1534:1540:1593:1594:1595:1596:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2194:2196:2199:2200:2393:2525:2551:2553:2559:2563:2682:2685:2693:2828:2857:2859:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3352:3865:3867:3868:3869:3870:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:4250:4385:4699:5007:7652: 7679, 0, RBL:none, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:, MSBL:none, DNSBL:none X-Spamcatcher-Explanation: Received: from [192.168.0.2] (unknown [64.97.206.40]) (Authenticated sender: kneel.pardoe@virgin.net) by sc1-out05.emaildefenseservice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:00:57 +0000 (UTC) From: neal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:00:41 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4dc0cfea0712310757u7a970bb0rb2b29a931ad9767b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712312200.41705.kneel.pardoe@virgin.net> Subject: Re: Low Level Language Suggestions: OT X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:00:58 -0000 On Monday 31 December 2007, Victor Subervi wrote: > Hi; > Way OT here...but don't know where else to ask ;) > I'm considering starting an open source project for > language translation. Initially, I'll write this in > python (with both MySQL and OpenLDAP for different > needs). But the processing will be heavy duty, so I need > to look toward a low-level language. I am not good in any > :( I'm thinking Java's probably my best bet, just because > there are more Java programmers out there than any other > language (I think). But what about C++ or C#? Your > comments would be appreciated. > TIA, > Victor checkout freepascal. its oo, has good language features, easier to learn than c/c++, well established. good email list for developer advice. http://www.freepascal.org/download.var neal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 22:39:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A574216A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from pollux.dfwlp.com (rrcs-64-183-212-244.sw.biz.rr.com [64.183.212.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA9313C44B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) Received: from athena.dfwlp.com (athena.dfwlp.com [192.168.125.82]) (authenticated bits=0) by pollux.dfwlp.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBVMd4AF031903 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:39:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from freebsd08@dfwlp.com) From: Jonathan Horne To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:39:02 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <80f4f2b20712310641k4649c0bbi99363c7be47655c2@mail.gmail.com> <20071231095507.0234630e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <80f4f2b20712311153h354d259cxf8644bcbb2d26b58@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <80f4f2b20712311153h354d259cxf8644bcbb2d26b58@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712311639.03616.freebsd08@dfwlp.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.6 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pollux.dfwlp.com Subject: Re: I installed FreeBSD, but managed to completely fail at getting the man pages installed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:39:07 -0000 On Monday 31 December 2007 01:53:15 pm Jim Stapleton wrote: > Thanks. I feel stupid now (through my own stupidity and not the fault > of anyone here but me). > > I should have looked at that before. I have always done a minimal > install of FreeBSD (well, for 6.1 and 6.2, didn't use FreeBSD before > that), and have not had any problems getting the man pages before. Is > this new, or is my memory going/gone? > > -Jim > the man pages all magically appear after a buildworld and upgrade, so you probably just never noticed in the past. i only do minimal installs too, and a while back, i remember i had the same issue. i had some systems with man pages, and some systems without. took me a bit to figure out that the ones that had them, were all updated, and the ones without, were all 'fresh' RELEASE installs. cheers, -- Jonathan Horne http://dfwlpiki.dfwlp.org freebsd@dfwlp.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 22:50:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333E216A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johan@giantfoo.org) Received: from pangu.giantfoo.org (pangu.giantfoo.org [24.227.169.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1513913C43E for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johan@giantfoo.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pangu.giantfoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13848122B0 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:33:49 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:33:48 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <20071231.163348.85398131.johan@giantfoo.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Johan A. van Zanten X-Mailer: Mew version 5.2 on Emacs 21.4 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Building FreeBSD from source on OS X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:50:22 -0000 Greetings. Recently i acquired an intel-based Mac mini and would like to build FreeBSD on it, but the mini needs to be (always) running OS X, because of other duties (DVR) it has. Is it possible to build FreeBSD from source on OS X running on intel hardware? I've tried the straight forward "make" in the source area, but it appears that OS X's make is actually gnu make, and it doesn't like the FreeBSD makefiles. I have the NetBSD pkgsrc system setup, and have a "bmake" which gets a little further when trying to build /usr/src/usr/bin/make, but still has some problems. Before i go any further with this, i wanted to check and see if this is even possible. Anyone know? -johan From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 23:03:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C973916A418 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from mx-outbound01.easydns.com (mailout1.easydns.com [205.210.42.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA3513C442 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:03:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from lilypad.shadypond.com (69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com [69.12.173.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx-outbound01.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1984823B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (slider.shadypond.com [192.168.1.11]) by lilypad.shadypond.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F2AAB841 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:03:51 +0000 (UTC) From: Pollywog To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:03:10 +0000 References: <43986.76.204.179.142.1199075105.squirrel@www.e-arroyo.net> In-Reply-To: <43986.76.204.179.142.1199075105.squirrel@www.e-arroyo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712312303.11720.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Subject: Re: Why aren't more secure download options offered? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:03:53 -0000 On Monday 31 December 2007 04:25:05 abi@e-arroyo.net wrote: > Hello FreeBSD representative, > > I am new to the FreeBSD community. In the past I have typically installed > a linux variant in my home systems, but recently decided to give FreeBSD a > try since I could not find a distribution that fit my needs. > > I believe that fbsd is a good platform, but have found some areas that I'd > like to point out. They are both rooted in the idea of a secure file > transfer and file validation. > > Why isn't checksum information provided for packages? These are found in > this directory: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/6.2-RELEASE/packages/ There are checksums for the ISO images. For example: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/6.2 has the checksums. > > I can't seem to find any documentation anywhere. You are looking for documentation for FreeBSD? http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ is a good place to start. I have only been using FreeBSD for a few months, so I ordered the book Absolute FreeBSD and I got it over the weekend. It has a lot of information useful to new users. If you don't know if you want to spend the money, you might find the first edition in your local library. The second edition was released recently. > These are for all of the > .tbz packages. The information is provided for every file except for > these. Also, instead of the ftp protocol, why don't you offer download > options like https? I am sure that many people are interested in such an > option. I don't know the answer to that question. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 23:06:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE89B16A476 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from mx-outbound01.easydns.com (mailout1.easydns.com [205.210.42.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AB313C458 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:06:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from lilypad.shadypond.com (69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com [69.12.173.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx-outbound01.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77204822F for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:06:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (slider.shadypond.com [192.168.1.11]) by lilypad.shadypond.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0879CB841 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:06:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Pollywog To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:06:16 +0000 References: <43986.76.204.179.142.1199075105.squirrel@www.e-arroyo.net> In-Reply-To: <43986.76.204.179.142.1199075105.squirrel@www.e-arroyo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712312306.18270.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Subject: Re: Why aren't more secure download options offered? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:06:59 -0000 On Monday 31 December 2007 04:25:05 abi@e-arroyo.net wrote: > Hello FreeBSD representative, > BTW, this is a mailing list. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 23:09:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4BB16A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:09:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from igloo.linux.gr (igloo.linux.gr [62.1.205.36]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ECA13C459 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:09:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from kobe.laptop (ppp5-162.adsl.forthnet.gr [62.1.228.162]) (authenticated bits=128) by igloo.linux.gr (8.14.1/8.14.1/Debian-9) with ESMTP id lBVN90sh016455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:09:09 +0200 Received: from kobe.laptop (kobe.laptop [127.0.0.1]) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBVN90U8038299; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:09:00 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by kobe.laptop (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBVN90If038293; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:09:00 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:08:59 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Johan A. van Zanten" Message-ID: <20071231230858.GA37523@kobe.laptop> References: <20071231.163348.85398131.johan@giantfoo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071231.163348.85398131.johan@giantfoo.org> X-Hellug-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hellug-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.107, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 0.29, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-Hellug-MailScanner-From: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr X-Spam-Status: No Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building FreeBSD from source on OS X? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:09:24 -0000 On 2007-12-31 16:33, "Johan A. van Zanten" wrote: > Greetings. > Recently i acquired an intel-based Mac mini and would like to build > FreeBSD on it, but the mini needs to be (always) running OS X, because > of other duties (DVR) it has. > > Is it possible to build FreeBSD from source on OS X running on intel > hardware? > > I've tried the straight forward "make" in the source area, but it > appears that OS X's make is actually gnu make, and it doesn't like the > FreeBSD makefiles. I have the NetBSD pkgsrc system setup, and have a > "bmake" which gets a little further when trying to build > /usr/src/usr/bin/make, but still has some problems. > > Before i go any further with this, i wanted to check and see if this > is even possible. I think one of the best options right now is to use Parallels, or some other virtualization system. BTW, I'm trying to 'port' FreeBSD make to make it buildable with autoconf, and automake, so that it is easier to run freebsd-make on non-FreeBSD systems, but there's still a lot of work before this is usable for building a full FreeBSD source tree. - Giorgos From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 23:13:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B4F16A417 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from straycat.dhs.org (c-24-60-173-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.173.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4492413C457 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:13:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (tomcat.straycat.dhs.org [192.168.1.118]) by straycat.dhs.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBVNDgdo028786; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:13:42 -0500 (EST) From: Tom McLaughlin To: jy-p@fixedpointgroup.com In-Reply-To: <47794BED.6090007@fixedpointgroup.com> References: <47794BED.6090007@fixedpointgroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:13:42 -0500 Message-Id: <1199142822.3307.26.camel@tomcat.straycat.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-4.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh + kerberos: problems w/ -current to openbsd 4.2 KDC X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:13:55 -0000 On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 14:07 -0600, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: > have most of the machines here doing ssh authentication via kerberos > against a heimdal KDC running openbsd 4.2-release. I have a similar setup here with an OpenBSD 4.2 KDC and a FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 machine and I remember it being a hassle. I set this up awhile ago and don't totally remember why everything is set the way it is without reading man pages again but it's New Years Eve here so... I'll just throw my configuration here at you. ;) > the freebsd 7.0beta4 > host i recently installed will not allow machines to ssh into it using > kerberos credentials but it (freebsd host) does successfully get and use > tickets from the KDC when > > [gssapi] > correct_des3_mic = host/*@MYDOMAIN.COM > > is added to /etc/krb5.conf. > I have the same line above in krb5.conf on the FreeBSD machine with no [gssapi] section in the krb5.conf on the OpenBSD machine. > nothing notable shows up in the KDC logs and the following appears in > /var/log/auth.log on the freebsd host: > > Dec 31 12:46:48 databank1 sshd[24658]: error: ssh_msg_send: write > Dec 31 12:50:14 databank1 sshd[24690]: error: ssh_msg_send: write > > the changes made on the freebsd host to accommodate kerberos > authentication were in /etc/ssh/sshd_config and /etc/pam.d/sshd, > respectively: > > KerberosAuthentication yes > KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes > KerberosTicketCleanup yes > GSSAPIAuthentication yes > GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes > #PasswordAuthentication no #PermitEmptyPasswords no ChallengeResponseAuthentication no #KerberosAuthentication no #KerberosOrLocalPasswd yes #KerberosTicketCleanup yes #KerberosGetAFSToken no GSSAPIAuthentication yes #GSSAPICleanupCredentials yes #UsePAM yes > auth sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn > try_first_pass > account required pam_krb5.so > password sufficient pam_krb5.so no_warn > try_first_pass > I never got pam_krb5 to work and was happy enough with sshd's own GSSAPI stuff so I just stopped trying to figure out IIRC. > where the lines in /etc/pam.d/sshd were simply uncommented and in the > original order. debugging outputs from a client trying to ssh into the > freebsd host are not very enlightening: > > ... > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive > debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic > debug1: Delegating credentials > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > publickey,gssapi-with-mic,keyboard-interactive > debug1: Next authentication method: publickey > ... > > any clues as to what needs to be done to get this to work correctly > would be appreciated. > > cheers, > jake > -- | tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org tmclaugh at FreeBSD.org | | FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org | From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 31 23:15:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71AE716A419 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from mx-outbound01.easydns.com (mailout1.easydns.com [205.210.42.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4869113C455 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists-fbsd@shadypond.com) Received: from lilypad.shadypond.com (69-12-173-117.static.humboldt1.com [69.12.173.117]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx-outbound01.easydns.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662F14823B for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from slider.shadypond.com (slider.shadypond.com [192.168.1.11]) by lilypad.shadypond.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D40BB841 for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:15:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Pollywog To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:14:40 +0000 References: <10f7864f0712311010x2497409ava350991ccebf3ae2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <10f7864f0712311010x2497409ava350991ccebf3ae2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712312314.42749.lists-fbsd@shadypond.com> Subject: Re: corporate backers of freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:15:24 -0000 On Monday 31 December 2007 18:10:55 Gary Smithe wrote: > > In short, here's my question: > > Canonical, RedHat, IBM, Novell, and a slew of others are funding / > supporting Linux development and pushing some of that development into > the free community, so that all can benefit from full-time developers > and the money that supports them. This is true but on the flip side, Linux has become a target of the patent trolls (Microsoft and SCO to name two) and thus far they have left FreeBSD alone. This was one thing that prompted me to try FreeBSD and to not depend exclusively on one OS solution. I am just an individual user but this was still important to me. BTW you may have read that SCO has been delisted by NASDAQ :)