From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 01:32:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C6106564A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:32:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dataefx@charter.net) Received: from que11.charter.net (que11.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE62F8FC1A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:32:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dataefx@charter.net) Received: from aarprv04.charter.net ([10.20.200.74]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080831010928.UQCP8683.mta31.charter.net@aarprv04.charter.net> for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:09:28 -0400 Received: from [192.217.152.195] (really [75.142.57.80]) by aarprv04.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080831010927.ZFA10008.aarprv04.charter.net@[192.217.152.195]> for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:09:27 -0400 From: John Scroggins To: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:09:43 -0700 Message-Id: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: Subject: unable to upgrade to 7.1-PRE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:32:29 -0000 Hello all, I have attempted to upgrade to 7.1-Pre with no avail. My source tree is has been cleaned and /usr/obj is cleared every time the system is rebuilt. I have swapped over the kernel config to the latest Generic and uncommented the dtrace hooks -- but my build continues to fall on its face compiling the dtrace module. Is there something I'm missing here ? good chance its obvious, but I'm at a loss --- :( here my system info: FreeBSD rougehunter75 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 23 14:31:58 PDT 2008 root@rougehunter75/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/rougehunter75 amd64 kernel config file: # $FreeBSD: src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC,v 1.484.2.14 2008/08/29 18:54:35 jhb Exp cpu HAMMER ident rougehunter75 # To statically compile in device wiring instead of /boot/device.hints #hints "GENERIC.hints" # Default places to look for devices. makeoptions DEBUG=-g # Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbol options SCHED_ULE # ULE scheduler options PREEMPTION # Enable kernel thread preemption options INET # InterNETworking options INET6 # IPv6 communications protocols options SCTP # Stream Control Transmission Protocol options FFS # Berkeley Fast Filesystem options SOFTUPDATES # Enable FFS soft updates support options UFS_ACL # Support for access control list options UFS_DIRHASH # Improve performance on big directorie options UFS_GJOURNAL # Enable gjournal-based UFS journaling options MD_ROOT # MD is a potential root device options NFSCLIENT # Network Filesystem Client options NFSSERVER # Network Filesystem Server options NFSLOCKD # Network Lock Manager options NFS_ROOT # NFS usable as /, requires NFSCLIENT options NTFS # NT File System options MSDOSFS # MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 # ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS # Process filesystem (requires PSEUDOFS options PSEUDOFS # Pseudo-filesystem framework options GEOM_PART_GPT # GUID Partition Tables. options GEOM_LABEL # Provides labelization options COMPAT_43TTY # BSD 4.3 TTY compat [KEEP THIS!] options COMPAT_IA32 # Compatible with i386 binaries options COMPAT_FREEBSD4 # Compatible with FreeBSD4 options COMPAT_FREEBSD5 # Compatible with FreeBSD5 options COMPAT_FREEBSD6 # Compatible with FreeBSD6 options SCSI_DELAY=5000 # Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options KTRACE # ktrace(1) support options STACK # stack(9) support options SYSVSHM # SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG # SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM # SYSV-style semaphores options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING # POSIX P1003_1B real-time extensio options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev options ADAPTIVE_GIANT # Giant mutex is adaptive. options STOP_NMI # Stop CPUS using NMI instead of IPI options AUDIT # Security event auditing options KDTRACE_FRAME # Ensure frames are compiled in options KDTRACE_HOOKS # Kernel DTrace hooks here is where the build fails: ===> dtrace/sdt (all) cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=athlon64 -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -std=c99 -nostdinc -I/usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/compat/opensolaris -I/usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common -I/usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../.. -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/rougehunter75/opt_global.h -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-common -g -fno-omit-frame-pointer -I/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/rougehunter75 -mcmodel=kernel -mno-red-zone -mfpmath=387 -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -msoft-float -fno-asynchronous-unwind-tables -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -Wno-unknown-pragmas -c /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c In file included from /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:42: /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/sys/dtrace.h:630:19: warning: "_BIG_ENDIAN" is not defined /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:86: warning: 'struct sdt_argtype' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:86: warning: its scope is only this definition or declaration, which is probably not what you want /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_argtype_callback': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:90: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:92: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_getargdesc': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:105: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:106: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sdt_argtype_listall' /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:106: warning: nested extern declaration of 'sdt_argtype_listall' /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: At top level: /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:114: warning: 'struct sdt_probe' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_probe_callback': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:116: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:127: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:128: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:129: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:131: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:134: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:134: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:134: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:135: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: At top level: /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:141: warning: 'struct sdt_provider' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_provider_entry': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:143: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sdt_probe_listall' /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:143: warning: nested extern declaration of 'sdt_probe_listall' /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_provide_probes': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:152: warning: implicit declaration of function 'sdt_provider_listall' /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:152: warning: nested extern declaration of 'sdt_provider_listall' /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_enable': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:166: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_disable': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:174: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: At top level: /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:178: warning: 'struct sdt_provider' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_provider_reg_callback': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:180: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:181: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_load': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:191: error: 'sdt_probe_func' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:191: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:191: error: for each function it appears in.) /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: At top level: /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:197: warning: 'struct sdt_provider' declared inside parameter list /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_provider_unreg_callback': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:199: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c: In function 'sdt_unload': /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:207: error: 'sdt_probe_func' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:207: error: 'sdt_probe_stub' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/sys/modules. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/rougehunter75. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. If anyone can shed some light on this issue, I appreciate the help _J From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 01:51:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0169106564A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D9C8FC08 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:51:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5764950846; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:35:13 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k1h3q2dErBT1; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:35:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from laptop.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [72.78.223.75]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDAB850844; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:35:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <48B9F506.1020200@langille.org> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:33:58 -0400 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Scroggins References: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> In-Reply-To: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to upgrade to 7.1-PRE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 01:51:11 -0000 John Scroggins wrote: > Hello all, > > I have attempted to upgrade to 7.1-Pre with no avail. > My source tree is has been cleaned and /usr/obj is cleared every time > the system is rebuilt. I have swapped over the kernel config to the > latest Generic and uncommented the dtrace hooks -- but my build > continues to fall on its face compiling the dtrace module. > > Is there something I'm missing here ? good chance its obvious, but I'm > at a loss --- :( > > here my system info: > > FreeBSD rougehunter75 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #0: Sat Aug 23 > 14:31:58 PDT 2008 > root@rougehunter75/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/rougehunter75 amd64 Look in the archives for dtrace. Lots of interesting stuff has happened lately I suggest another cvsup, rm /usr/obj, and try again. Not that I know what I'm talking about. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 02:20:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C3B1065675 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB8C8FC19 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:20:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id AE0D2745C9; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:20:37 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:20:37 +0000 From: John Birrell To: John Scroggins Message-ID: <20080831022037.GA49072@what-creek.com> References: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to upgrade to 7.1-PRE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:20:38 -0000 On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 06:09:43PM -0700, John Scroggins wrote: > Hello all, > > I have attempted to upgrade to 7.1-Pre with no avail. > My source tree is has been cleaned and /usr/obj is cleared every time > the system is rebuilt. I have swapped over the kernel config to the > latest Generic and uncommented the dtrace hooks -- but my build > continues to fall on its face compiling the dtrace module. > > Is there something I'm missing here ? good chance its obvious, but I'm > at a loss --- :( [...] > In file included > from /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:42: > /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/sys/dtrace.h:630:19: warning: "_BIG_ENDIAN" is not defined Please check if you have any files in /usr/src/sys/cddl and subdirectories which have #undef _BIG_ENDIAN. The ZFS port used to do this, but it broke the FreeBSD elf headers which rely on both BIG and LITTLE endian definitions being defined. And that broke the DTrace build. The current code is _supposed_ to work with the standard endian definitions that FreeBSD uses. The fact that your build barfs on a missing _BIG_ENDIAN define is an indication that either something hasn't updated correctly in your cvsup or I've f'up again (ugh). The problem you are seeing has nothing to do with the kernel config. You can have KDTRACE_HOOKS in your kernel config or not and the result will be the same. -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 02:57:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A375D106566C for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dataefx@charter.net) Received: from mta21.charter.net (mta21.charter.net [216.33.127.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D2E8FC08 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:57:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dataefx@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080831025719.VSRY9229.mta21.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net>; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:57:19 -0400 Received: from [192.217.152.195] (really [75.142.57.80]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080831025719.DWSZ29012.aarprv06.charter.net@[192.217.152.195]>; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:57:19 -0400 From: John Scroggins To: John Birrell In-Reply-To: <20080831022037.GA49072@what-creek.com> References: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> <20080831022037.GA49072@what-creek.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:57:33 -0700 Message-Id: <1220151454.37555.31.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to upgrade to 7.1-PRE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 02:57:20 -0000 On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 02:20 +0000, John Birrell wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 06:09:43PM -0700, John Scroggins wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I have attempted to upgrade to 7.1-Pre with no avail. > > My source tree is has been cleaned and /usr/obj is cleared every time > > the system is rebuilt. I have swapped over the kernel config to the > > latest Generic and uncommented the dtrace hooks -- but my build > > continues to fall on its face compiling the dtrace module. > > > > Is there something I'm missing here ? good chance its obvious, but I'm > > at a loss --- :( > [...] > > In file included > > from /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:42: > > /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/./../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/sys/dtrace.h:630:19: warning: "_BIG_ENDIAN" is not defined > > Please check if you have any files in /usr/src/sys/cddl and subdirectories > which have #undef _BIG_ENDIAN. thanks for the pointer --- i'll post results in a while -- (gotta go to work :)) > > The ZFS port used to do this, but it broke the FreeBSD elf headers which rely on > both BtIG and LITTLE endian definitions being defined. And that broke the DTrace > build. > > The current code is _supposed_ to work with the standard endian definitions that > FreeBSD uses. The fact that your build barfs on a missing _BIG_ENDIAN define is > an indication that either something hasn't updated correctly in your cvsup or I've > f'up again (ugh). > > The problem you are seeing has nothing to do with the kernel config. You can have > KDTRACE_HOOKS in your kernel config or not and the result will be the same. > > -- > John Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 08:49:51 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306001065671; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hlh@restart.be) Received: from tignes.restart.be (tignes.restart.be [213.251.163.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD5D28FC19; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:49:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hlh@restart.be) Received: from restart.be (avoriaz.tunnel.bel [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:2ad2:1:ffff::]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "avoriaz.restart.be", Issuer "CA master" (verified OK)) by tignes.restart.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64D5AE042A; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:44:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from morzine.restart.bel (morzine.restart.bel [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:2ad2:1:2::]) (authenticated bits=0) by restart.be (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7V8hwMD093621; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:44:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hlh@restart.be) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=restart.be; s=avoriaz; t=1220172266; bh=3+8LCxtODoaonQysUVOSHNL7UZzUdbSKuij3je2 i+KU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L1g+9cDFj1aU 2795Y2YL677BzjsO3NyFzK40kTnSz/s0OBanE3CijIdpncxmU1j7byP+PAwpaNGJ5T4 D0zOgiQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=avoriaz; d=restart.be; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:x-scanned-by; b=rSzVvUq5dkC3H948UAGGpy8L4g/Jw6hDHCvzEzlKkWtXSKWOwapNAhT4dcgBGPH1Y WpEA8bNP3AvlyhKK99LnQ== Message-ID: <48BA59CC.3020000@restart.be> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:43:56 +0200 From: Henri Hennebert Organization: RestartSoft User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080802) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <200808281753.06379.jhb@freebsd.org> <48B99F64.1000603@restart.be> <20080830194419.GA9882@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20080830194419.GA9882@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on IPv6:2001:41d0:1:2ad2:1:1:: Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, John Baldwin Subject: Re: Possible ZFS patch, please test! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:49:51 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 09:28:36PM +0200, Henri Hennebert wrote: >> John Baldwin wrote: >>> This patch merges a few changes from HEAD back to 7.x. I think the >>> endian changes specifically might solve the issue people saw with >>> zpools created with non-dtrace kernels not being readable by dtrace >>> kernels and vice versa. >>> >>> http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/zfs_7.patch >>> >> Just a follow-up >> >> I cvsup at Sat Aug 30 12:55 without zfs_7.patch and >> >> make buildworld && make buildkernel && make installkernel >> >> reboot (-s) --root on zfs is ok -- make installworld >> >> reboot >> >> System is still sluggish even during the make installworld in single user. > > Sorry if I've missed this, but what tuning have you done for ZFS? Some > of us (most of us?) have seen fairly "sluggish" performance when > prefetch is enabled (the default), while the system is generally more > responsive when prefetch is disabled. prefetch is enabled: vfs.zfs.arc_min: 33554432 vfs.zfs.arc_max: 268435456 vfs.zfs.mdcomp_disable: 0 vfs.zfs.prefetch_disable: 0 vfs.zfs.zio.taskq_threads: 0 vfs.zfs.recover: 0 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.size: 10485760 vfs.zfs.vdev.cache.max: 16384 vfs.zfs.cache_flush_disable: 0 vfs.zfs.zil_disable: 0 vfs.zfs.debug: 0 > > This may have nothing to do with the problem you've stated, but I > thought I'd throw it out there. I think that the problem is somewhere else because >80% of system cpu on a dual core seems awfully bad - eg more than 20 seconds to open this response after clicking on the response button. Henri > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 10:20:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DA8106568B for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 079458FC21 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521EE46B32 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:20:07 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: stable@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: FYI: netatm garbage-collected X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:20:08 -0000 This is an FYI rather than a HEADS UP, as it should make no functional difference (ideally). Per e-mail a couple of weeks ago, I have removed the uncompilable and unusable netatm code from the 7.x source tree. We are now down to two (2) ATM stacks in 7.x, both of which are MPSAFE and work, as opposed to netatm. Thanks, Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge --------- Author: rwatson Date: Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 New Revision: 182526 URL: http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/182526 Log: Merge r179308 from head to stable/7: Remove netatm from HEAD as it is not MPSAFE and relies on the now removed NET_NEEDS_GIANT. netatm has been disconnected from the build for ten months in HEAD/RELENG_7. Specifics: - netatm include files - netatm command line management tools - libatm - ATM parts in rescue and sysinstall - sample configuration files and documents - kernel support as a module or in NOTES - netgraph wrapper nodes for netatm - ctags data for netatm. - netatm-specific device drivers. Reviewed by: bz Discussed with: bms, bz, harti MFC discussed with: des, peter Deleted: stable/7/lib/libatm/ stable/7/sbin/atm/atm/ stable/7/sbin/atm/fore_dnld/ stable/7/sbin/atm/ilmid/ stable/7/share/examples/atm/ stable/7/share/man/man4/ng_atmpif.4 stable/7/sys/dev/harp/ stable/7/sys/dev/hfa/ stable/7/sys/dev/idt/ stable/7/sys/modules/harp/ stable/7/sys/modules/hfa/ stable/7/sys/modules/idt/ stable/7/sys/modules/netgraph/atm/atmpif/ stable/7/sys/netatm/ stable/7/sys/netgraph/atm/atmpif/ stable/7/sys/netgraph/atm/ng_atmpif.h stable/7/usr.sbin/atm/ Modified: stable/7/etc/ (props changed) stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist stable/7/include/ (props changed) stable/7/include/Makefile stable/7/lib/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/Makefile stable/7/lib/csu/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libbluetooth/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libc/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libc/sys/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libdisk/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libftpio/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libgeom/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libkvm/ (props changed) stable/7/lib/libutil/ (props changed) stable/7/rescue/ (props changed) stable/7/rescue/rescue/Makefile stable/7/sbin/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/atacontrol/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/atm/Makefile stable/7/sbin/devfs/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/fdisk/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/geom/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/ifconfig/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/ipfw/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/mdconfig/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/mksnap_ffs/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/mount/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/ping6/ (props changed) stable/7/sbin/sconfig/ (props changed) stable/7/share/examples/ (props changed) stable/7/share/examples/Makefile stable/7/share/man/man4/ (props changed) stable/7/share/man/man4/Makefile stable/7/share/man/man7/ (props changed) stable/7/share/man/man7/hier.7 stable/7/sys/ (props changed) stable/7/sys/Makefile stable/7/sys/conf/NOTES stable/7/sys/conf/files stable/7/sys/conf/options stable/7/sys/kern/Make.tags.inc stable/7/sys/modules/Makefile stable/7/sys/modules/netgraph/atm/Makefile stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/mkioctls stable/7/usr.sbin/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/Makefile stable/7/usr.sbin/adduser/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/bsnmpd/modules/snmp_pf/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/config/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/cron/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/cron/cron/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/mountd/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/ndiscvt/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/newsyslog/newsyslog.conf.5 (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/pkg_install/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/pmcstat/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/powerd/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/pw/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/rpc.lockd/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/rpc.statd/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/setfib/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/sysinstall/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/syslogd/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/tzsetup/ (props changed) stable/7/usr.sbin/wpa/wpa_supplicant/ (props changed) Modified: stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist ============================================================================== --- stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.include.dist Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -211,17 +211,6 @@ .. netatalk .. -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -# netatm -# ipatm -# .. -# sigpvc -# .. -# spans -# .. -# uni -# .. -# .. netgraph atm .. Modified: stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist ============================================================================== --- stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/etc/mtree/BSD.usr.dist Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -189,9 +189,6 @@ .. IPv6 .. -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -# atm -# .. bc .. bootforth Modified: stable/7/include/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/include/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/include/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -40,7 +40,6 @@ LDIRS= bsm cam geom net net80211 netatal netipsec ${_netipx} netnatm ${_netncp} netsmb \ nfs nfsclient nfsserver \ pccard sys vm -#LDIRS+= netatm LSUBDIRS= cam/scsi \ dev/acpica dev/an dev/bktr dev/firewire dev/hwpmc \ @@ -57,7 +56,6 @@ LSUBDIRS= cam/scsi \ security/mac_biba security/mac_bsdextended security/mac_lomac \ security/mac_mls security/mac_partition \ ufs/ffs ufs/ufs -#LSUBDIRS+= netatm/ipatm netatm/sigpvc netatm/spans netatm/uni LSUBSUBDIRS= dev/mpt/mpilib Modified: stable/7/lib/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/lib/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/lib/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -48,8 +48,6 @@ _csu=csu .endif .if ${MK_ATM} != "no" -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -#_libatm= libatm _libngatm= libngatm .endif Modified: stable/7/rescue/rescue/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/rescue/rescue/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/rescue/rescue/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -120,9 +120,6 @@ CRUNCH_PROGS_sbin= atacontrol badsect bs .if ${MK_ATM} != "no" CRUNCH_PROGS_sbin+= atmconfig -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -#CRUNCH_PROGS_sbin+= atm fore_dnld ilmid -#CRUNCH_LIBS+= -latm .endif .if ${MK_INET6_SUPPORT} != "no" Modified: stable/7/sbin/atm/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sbin/atm/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sbin/atm/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -25,9 +25,4 @@ SUBDIR= atmconfig -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -# atm \ -# fore_dnld \ -# ilmid - .include Modified: stable/7/share/examples/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/share/examples/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/share/examples/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -34,9 +34,6 @@ LDIRS= BSD_daemon \ startslip \ sunrpc -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -#LDIRS+= atm - XFILES= BSD_daemon/FreeBSD.pfa \ BSD_daemon/README \ BSD_daemon/beastie.eps \ @@ -239,17 +236,6 @@ XFILES= BSD_daemon/FreeBSD.pfa \ sunrpc/sort/sort.x \ sunrpc/sort/sort_proc.c -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -#XFILES+= atm/NOTES \ -# atm/README \ -# atm/Startup \ -# atm/atm-config.sh \ -# atm/atm-sockets.txt \ -# atm/cpcs-design.txt \ -# atm/fore-microcode.txt \ -# atm/sscf-design.txt \ -# atm/sscop-design.txt - BINDIR= ${SHAREDIR}/examples NO_OBJ= Modified: stable/7/share/man/man4/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/share/man/man4/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/share/man/man4/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -197,7 +197,6 @@ MAN= aac.4 \ ng_atm.4 \ ngatmbase.4 \ ng_atmllc.4 \ - ng_atmpif.4 \ ng_bluetooth.4 \ ng_bpf.4 \ ng_bridge.4 \ Modified: stable/7/share/man/man7/hier.7 ============================================================================== --- stable/7/share/man/man7/hier.7 Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/share/man/man7/hier.7 Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -306,10 +306,6 @@ machine-specific C include files miscellaneous network C include files .It Pa netatalk/ Appletalk protocol -.It Pa netatm/ -ATM include files; -see -.Xr atm 8 .It Pa netinet/ C include files for Internet standard protocols; see Modified: stable/7/sys/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sys/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sys/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -9,7 +9,7 @@ SUBDIR= boot # Directories to include in cscope name file and TAGS. CSCOPEDIRS= bsm cam cddl compat conf contrib crypto ddb dev fs geom gnu \ - i4b isa kern libkern modules net net80211 netatalk netatm \ + i4b isa kern libkern modules net net80211 netatalk \ netgraph netinet netinet6 netipsec netipx netnatm netncp \ netsmb nfs nfsclient nfs4client nlm rpc pccard pci security \ sys ufs vm xdr ${CSCOPE_ARCHDIR} Modified: stable/7/sys/conf/NOTES ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sys/conf/NOTES Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sys/conf/NOTES Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -903,38 +903,6 @@ options DUMMYNET # zero_copy(9) for more details. options ZERO_COPY_SOCKETS -# -# ATM (HARP version) options -# -# XXX: These have been disabled in FreeBSD 7.0 as they are not MPSAFE. -# -# ATM_CORE includes the base ATM functionality code. This must be included -# for ATM support. -# -# ATM_IP includes support for running IP over ATM. -# -# At least one (and usually only one) of the following signalling managers -# must be included (note that all signalling managers include PVC support): -# ATM_SIGPVC includes support for the PVC-only signalling manager `sigpvc'. -# ATM_SPANS includes support for the `spans' signalling manager, which runs -# the FORE Systems's proprietary SPANS signalling protocol. -# ATM_UNI includes support for the `uni30' and `uni31' signalling managers, -# which run the ATM Forum UNI 3.x signalling protocols. -# -# The `hfa' driver provides support for the FORE Systems, Inc. -# PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapter. -# -# The `harp' pseudo-driver makes all NATM interface drivers available to HARP. -# -#options ATM_CORE #core ATM protocol family -#options ATM_IP #IP over ATM support -#options ATM_SIGPVC #SIGPVC signalling manager -#options ATM_SPANS #SPANS signalling manager -#options ATM_UNI #UNI signalling manager - -#device hfa #FORE PCA-200E ATM PCI -#device harp #Pseudo-interface for NATM - ##################################################################### # FILESYSTEM OPTIONS Modified: stable/7/sys/conf/files ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sys/conf/files Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sys/conf/files Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -673,28 +673,11 @@ dev/flash/at45d.c optional at45d dev/fxp/if_fxp.c optional fxp dev/gem/if_gem.c optional gem dev/gem/if_gem_pci.c optional gem pci -#dev/harp/if_harp.c optional harp pci dev/hatm/if_hatm.c optional hatm pci dev/hatm/if_hatm_intr.c optional hatm pci dev/hatm/if_hatm_ioctl.c optional hatm pci dev/hatm/if_hatm_rx.c optional hatm pci dev/hatm/if_hatm_tx.c optional hatm pci -#dev/hfa/fore_buffer.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_command.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_globals.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_if.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_init.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_intr.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_output.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_receive.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_stats.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_timer.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_transmit.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/fore_vcm.c optional hfa -##dev/hfa/hfa_eisa.c optional hfa eisa -#dev/hfa/hfa_freebsd.c optional hfa -#dev/hfa/hfa_pci.c optional hfa pci -##dev/hfa/hfa_sbus.c optional hfa sbus dev/hifn/hifn7751.c optional hifn dev/hme/if_hme.c optional hme dev/hme/if_hme_pci.c optional hme pci @@ -1704,92 +1687,6 @@ netatalk/ddp_input.c optional netatalk netatalk/ddp_output.c optional netatalk netatalk/ddp_pcb.c optional netatalk netatalk/ddp_usrreq.c optional netatalk -# -# netatm has been disconnected from the build until it is MPSAFE, or -# alternatively, until it is removed. -# -#netatm/atm_aal5.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_cm.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_device.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_if.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_proto.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_signal.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_socket.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_subr.c optional atm_core -#netatm/atm_usrreq.c optional atm_core -#netatm/ipatm/ipatm_event.c optional atm_ip atm_core -#netatm/ipatm/ipatm_if.c optional atm_ip atm_core -#netatm/ipatm/ipatm_input.c optional atm_ip atm_core -#netatm/ipatm/ipatm_load.c optional atm_ip atm_core -#netatm/ipatm/ipatm_output.c optional atm_ip atm_core -#netatm/ipatm/ipatm_usrreq.c optional atm_ip atm_core -#netatm/ipatm/ipatm_vcm.c optional atm_ip atm_core -#netatm/sigpvc/sigpvc_if.c optional atm_sigpvc atm_core -#netatm/sigpvc/sigpvc_subr.c optional atm_sigpvc atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_arp.c optional atm_spans atm_core \ -# dependency "spans_xdr.h" -#netatm/spans/spans_cls.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_if.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_kxdr.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_msg.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_print.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_proto.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_subr.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#netatm/spans/spans_util.c optional atm_spans atm_core -#spans_xdr.h optional atm_spans atm_core \ -# before-depend \ -# dependency "$S/netatm/spans/spans_xdr.x" \ -# compile-with "rpcgen -h -C $S/netatm/spans/spans_xdr.x | grep -v rpc/rpc.h > spans_xdr.h" \ -# clean "spans_xdr.h" \ -# no-obj no-implicit-rule -#spans_xdr.c optional atm_spans atm_core \ -# before-depend \ -# dependency "$S/netatm/spans/spans_xdr.x" \ -# compile-with "rpcgen -c -C $S/netatm/spans/spans_xdr.x | grep -v rpc/rpc.h > spans_xdr.c" \ -# clean "spans_xdr.c" \ -# no-obj no-implicit-rule local -#spans_xdr.o optional atm_spans atm_core \ -# dependency "$S/netatm/spans/spans_xdr.x" \ -# compile-with "${NORMAL_C}" \ -# no-implicit-rule local -#netatm/uni/q2110_sigaa.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/q2110_sigcpcs.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/q2110_subr.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/qsaal1_sigaa.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/qsaal1_sigcpcs.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/qsaal1_subr.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscf_uni.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscf_uni_lower.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscf_uni_upper.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop_lower.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop_pdu.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop_sigaa.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop_sigcpcs.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop_subr.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop_timer.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/sscop_upper.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uni_load.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uniarp.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uniarp_cache.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uniarp_input.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uniarp_output.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uniarp_timer.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uniarp_vcm.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/uniip.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_decode.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_encode.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_if.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_mbuf.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_msg.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_print.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_proto.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_sigmgr_state.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_subr.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_util.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netatm/uni/unisig_vc_state.c optional atm_uni atm_core -#netgraph/atm/atmpif/ng_atmpif.c optional netgraph_atm_atmpif -#netgraph/atm/atmpif/ng_atmpif_harp.c optional netgraph_atm_atmpif netgraph/atm/ccatm/ng_ccatm.c optional ngatm_ccatm \ compile-with "${NORMAL_C} -I$S/contrib/ngatm" netgraph/atm/ng_atm.c optional ngatm_atm Modified: stable/7/sys/conf/options ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sys/conf/options Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sys/conf/options Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -493,13 +493,6 @@ ZERO_COPY_SOCKETS opt_zero.h TI_PRIVATE_JUMBOS opt_ti.h TI_JUMBO_HDRSPLIT opt_ti.h -# ATM (HARP version) - disabled as not MPSAFE in 7.0 -#ATM_CORE opt_atm.h -#ATM_IP opt_atm.h -#ATM_SIGPVC opt_atm.h -#ATM_SPANS opt_atm.h -#ATM_UNI opt_atm.h - # XXX Conflict: # of devices vs network protocol (Native ATM). # This makes "atm.h" unusable. NATM Modified: stable/7/sys/kern/Make.tags.inc ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sys/kern/Make.tags.inc Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sys/kern/Make.tags.inc Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -41,7 +41,6 @@ COMM= ${SYS}/dev/advansys/*.[ch] \ ${SYS}/kern/*.[ch] \ ${SYS}/net/*.[ch] \ ${SYS}/netatalk/*.[ch] \ - ${SYS}/netatm/*.[ch] \ ${SYS}/netinet/*.[ch] \ ${SYS}/netinet6/*.[ch] \ ${SYS}/netipsec/*.[ch] \ @@ -60,7 +59,6 @@ COMMDIR1= ${SYS}/conf \ ${SYS}/kern \ ${SYS}/net \ ${SYS}/netatalk \ - ${SYS}/netatm \ ${SYS}/netinet \ ${SYS}/netinet6 \ ${SYS}/netipsec \ Modified: stable/7/sys/modules/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sys/modules/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sys/modules/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -96,9 +96,7 @@ SUBDIR= ${_3dfx} \ gem \ geom \ ${_glxsb} \ - ${_harp} \ hatm \ - ${_hfa} \ hifn \ hme \ ${_hptiop} \ @@ -109,7 +107,6 @@ SUBDIR= ${_3dfx} \ ${_ibcs2} \ ${_ichwd} \ ${_ida} \ - ${_idt} \ ${_ie} \ if_bridge \ if_disc \ @@ -343,11 +340,6 @@ _vpo= vpo _ufs= ufs .endif -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -#if ${MK_ATM} != "no" -#_harp= harp -#.endif - .if ${MK_CRYPT} != "no" || defined(ALL_MODULES) .if exists(${.CURDIR}/../opencrypto) _crypto= crypto @@ -411,8 +403,6 @@ _exca= exca _ext2fs= ext2fs _fe= fe _glxsb= glxsb -# Disabled due to non-MPSAFEty in 7.0 -#_hfa= hfa _i2c= i2c _ibcs2= ibcs2 _ie= ie @@ -481,8 +471,6 @@ _hptmv= hptmv _hptrr= hptrr _ichwd= ichwd _ida= ida -# Disabled due to non-MPSAFEty in 7.0 -#_idt= idt _iir= iir _ipmi= ipmi _ips= ips @@ -612,7 +600,6 @@ _em= em _ep= ep _exca= exca _fe= fe -_hfa= hfa _igb= igb _iir= iir _mly= mly Modified: stable/7/sys/modules/netgraph/atm/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/sys/modules/netgraph/atm/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/sys/modules/netgraph/atm/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -8,7 +8,4 @@ SUBDIR= \ sscop \ uni -# atmpif disabled due to non-MPSAFEty in 7.0 -# atmpif \ - .include Modified: stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c ============================================================================== --- stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/kdump.c Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -1161,8 +1161,6 @@ ktrsockaddr(struct sockaddr *sa) { /* TODO: Support additional address families - #include - struct sockaddr_atm *atm; #include struct sockaddr_natm *natm; #include Modified: stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/mkioctls ============================================================================== --- stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/mkioctls Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/usr.bin/kdump/mkioctls Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -44,11 +44,6 @@ BEGIN { print "#include " print "#include " print "#include " -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -# print "#include " -# print "#include " -# print "#include " -# print "#include " print "#include " print "#include " print "#include " Modified: stable/7/usr.sbin/Makefile ============================================================================== --- stable/7/usr.sbin/Makefile Sun Aug 31 09:45:04 2008 (r182525) +++ stable/7/usr.sbin/Makefile Sun Aug 31 10:15:43 2008 (r182526) @@ -201,11 +201,6 @@ SUBDIR= ac \ _sysinstall= sysinstall .endif -# Disabled in 7.0 as netatm is not MPSAFE. -#.if ${MK_ATM} != "no" -#_atm= atm -#.endif - .if ${MK_AUDIT} != "no" _audit= audit _auditd= auditd From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 11:35:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AB81065673 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from warped.bluecherry.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:440:eeee:fffb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7669C8FC0A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from volatile.chemikals.org (unknown [74.193.170.223]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by warped.bluecherry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B7608F02513; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:35:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (morganw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by volatile.chemikals.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7VBZG8j048890; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:35:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:35:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Wes Morgan To: jb@what-creek.com Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Unresponsive after dtrace X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:35:21 -0000 I know this has been reported already, but I want to give a "me too". After installing a new world and kernel from the tree yesterday afternoon, I let my system run all night. This morning everything was extremely sluggish and unresponsive. According to top, which I thankfully left running, processes were going in and out of "*kmem_" (obviously truncated). CPU usage was 80+% system and load averages were around 5.4. The only changes I made to my system besides upgrading were to include the options KDB, DDB and STACK in my kernel for zfs functionality. Unfortunately, I cannot try without those options since my root is zfs. Booting a kernel from 8/20 works fine. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 14:43:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5361065671 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FCB8FC19 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:43:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 92Qf1a0020vyq2s532TPnR; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:27:23 +0000 Received: from daland.home ([24.61.21.4]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 92TN1a00705H7zL3R2TPxZ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:27:23 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TxatDheO55MA:10 a=-bJS07P5FywA:10 a=rITDv7nW5hcA:10 a=5mwKUVdjMF-sbcKR8OkA:9 a=_S_Fa5BAxCgb4XIFV6UA:7 a=hB3-g63Qy-zd13Qggtus-TbB92QA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=ufO146cb3fEA:10 Received: from algo by daland.home with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KZnti-0005lr-82; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:27:22 -0400 From: Alex Goncharov To: Alex Goncharov In-reply-to: (message from Alex Goncharov on Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:42:00 -0400) References: <48B5750B.8000303@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080827160432.GJ2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:27:22 -0400 Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WARNING: 7-STABLE BROKEN -- please wait to upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Goncharov List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:43:24 -0000 Still having problems... ,--- I/Alex (Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:42:00 -0400) ----* | ,--- You/Kostik (Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:04:32 +0300) ----* | | cd into /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/cc/cc1, | | make install DEBUG_FLAGS=-g | | That simple thing didn't work for me: | But I've found what may be an extremely easy way out of this hole: I | copied over /usr/libexec/cc1 from another machine, which had a code | built on Aug 17. Then my `cc1' worked fine and I tripped on a SEGV in | `as'. Then I copied over `as', then `ld', then `gcc'. And that was | it -- the build began to work. `-------------------------------------------------* I have been happily using the four replacement tools to build various user-land programs. Then yesterday I decided to try to update the OS. The build finished successfully (or so it seemed), I rebooted, installed world, and now I have the same issue as everybody else had this week: cc: Internal error: Abort trap: 6 (program cc1) $ ls -l /usr/libexec/cc1 -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5435068 Aug 31 09:03 /usr/libexec/cc1* $ uname -svr FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE #36: Sun Aug 31 00:08:48 EDT 2008 I am going to replace the four cc components again, with the old and tried ones, and update/build again, but this doesn't feel right. Is there anything else I should have done to avoid these problems? Is everything supposed to work out of box now? Thanks, -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- /* * Progress was all right. Only it went on too long. * * -- James Thurber */ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 22:17:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D361065694 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yds@CoolRat.org) Received: from orion.dppl.com (orion.dppl.net [216.182.10.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FEFF8FC14 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yds@CoolRat.org) Received: from sushi.coolrat.org (c-68-44-170-116.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [68.44.170.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by orion.dppl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B25316432C23 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48BB1445.90804@CoolRat.org> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:59:33 -0400 From: Yarema User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Unresponsive after dtrace X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:17:40 -0000 Wes Morgan wrote: > I know this has been reported already, but I want to give a "me too". > After installing a new world and kernel from the tree yesterday > afternoon, I let my system run all night. This morning everything was > extremely sluggish and unresponsive. According to top, which I > thankfully left running, processes were going in and out of "*kmem_" > (obviously truncated). CPU usage was 80+% system and load averages were > around 5.4. The only changes I made to my system besides upgrading were > to include the options KDB, DDB and STACK in my kernel for zfs > functionality. Unfortunately, I cannot try without those options since > my root is zfs. Booting a kernel from 8/20 works fine. Same here. Running root on ZFS. Yesterday I hosed my system and recovered by booting FreeSBIE, downloading the latest amd64-bootonly.iso copying /boot/kernel/*, tweaking loader.conf for the GENERIC kernel and I was back in business. First thing was to csup again, add STACK to my custom kernel (which is much like generic with all the drivers unrelated to my hardware removed) and build/install world. All looked good except running "systat -vmstat 1" shows Sys using 100% of CPU after a few minutes. I'm not even sure if it's related to anything specific running on the box or not. Just gets progressively more sluggish within minutes of booting and all the cycles seem to be spinning in the Sys category with almost nothing left for userland or anything else. The network stack seems to be routing traffic well enough though. I can still stream music and video and send emails such as this one routed via the box in question. But otherwise just about any load seems to send %Sys into the stratosphere. -- Yarema http://yds.CoolRat.org/zfsboot.shtml From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 22:22:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0321065670 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:22:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dataefx@charter.net) Received: from mta31.charter.net (mta31.charter.net [216.33.127.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA8D58FC14 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:22:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dataefx@charter.net) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080831222200.FLIL8683.mta31.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net>; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:22:00 -0400 Received: from [192.217.152.195] (really [75.142.57.80]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080831222200.VRCO29012.aarprv06.charter.net@[192.217.152.195]>; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:22:00 -0400 From: John Scroggins To: John Birrell In-Reply-To: <1220151454.37555.31.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> References: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> <20080831022037.GA49072@what-creek.com> <1220151454.37555.31.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:22:18 -0700 Message-Id: <1220221338.37555.47.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Chzlrs: 0 Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to upgrade to 7.1-PRE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:22:02 -0000 On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 19:57 -0700, John Scroggins wrote: thanks John, found the offending file dtrace.h -- lines 520 and 630 had the #if BYTE_ORDER == _BIG_ENDIAN entries. For good measure, I rm'd the whole ../../cddl directory and re-sup'd it. Build with no errors --smooth as glass ;) > On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 02:20 +0000, John Birrell wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 06:09:43PM -0700, John Scroggins wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I have attempted to upgrade to 7.1-Pre with no avail. > > > My source tree is has been cleaned and /usr/obj is cleared every time > > > the system is rebuilt. I have swapped over the kernel config to the > > > latest Generic and uncommented the dtrace hooks -- but my build > > > continues to fall on its face compiling the dtrace module. > > > > > > Is there something I'm missing here ? good chance its obvious, but I'm > > > at a loss --- :( > > [...] > > > In file included > > > from /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/../../../cddl/dev/sdt/sdt.c:42: > > > /usr/src/sys/modules/dtrace/sdt/./../../cddl/contrib/opensolaris/uts/common/sys/dtrace.h:630:19: warning: "_BIG_ENDIAN" is not defined > > > > Please check if you have any files in /usr/src/sys/cddl and subdirectories > > which have #undef _BIG_ENDIAN. > > thanks for the pointer --- > i'll post results in a while -- > (gotta go to work :)) > > > > The ZFS port used to do this, but it broke the FreeBSD elf headers which rely on > > both BtIG and LITTLE endian definitions being defined. And that broke the DTrace > > build. > > > > The current code is _supposed_ to work with the standard endian definitions that > > FreeBSD uses. The fact that your build barfs on a missing _BIG_ENDIAN define is > > an indication that either something hasn't updated correctly in your cvsup or I've > > f'up again (ugh). > > > > The problem you are seeing has nothing to do with the kernel config. You can have > > KDTRACE_HOOKS in your kernel config or not and the result will be the same. > > > > -- > > John Birrell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 22:23:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E290106567B for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF618FC20 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:23:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 8BDED745C9; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:23:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:23:18 +0000 From: John Birrell To: Wes Morgan Message-ID: <20080831222318.GA55788@what-creek.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unresponsive after dtrace X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:23:19 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:35:16AM -0500, Wes Morgan wrote: > I know this has been reported already, but I want to give a "me too". > After installing a new world and kernel from the tree yesterday afternoon, > I let my system run all night. This morning everything was extremely > sluggish and unresponsive. According to top, which I thankfully left > running, processes were going in and out of "*kmem_" (obviously > truncated). CPU usage was 80+% system and load averages were around 5.4. > The only changes I made to my system besides upgrading were to include the > options KDB, DDB and STACK in my kernel for zfs functionality. > Unfortunately, I cannot try without those options since my root is zfs. > Booting a kernel from 8/20 works fine. That's not good news. :-( I think I'll have to look at a partial back out of the ZFS changes now. -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 22:25:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFC3106567F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5478FC08 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 1517B745C9; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:25:34 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:25:34 +0000 From: John Birrell To: John Scroggins Message-ID: <20080831222534.GB55788@what-creek.com> References: <1220144983.37555.26.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> <20080831022037.GA49072@what-creek.com> <1220151454.37555.31.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> <1220221338.37555.47.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1220221338.37555.47.camel@rougehunter75.charterpipeline.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unable to upgrade to 7.1-PRE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:25:34 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 03:22:18PM -0700, John Scroggins wrote: > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 19:57 -0700, John Scroggins wrote: > > thanks John, > found the offending file dtrace.h -- lines 520 and 630 had the #if > BYTE_ORDER == _BIG_ENDIAN entries. That code is correct though. FreeBSD requires both _BIG_ENDIAN and _LITTLE_ENDIAN to be defined. It is Solaris code which undefines _BIG_ENDIAN and it would have been that #undef which was wrong. > For good measure, I rm'd the whole ../../cddl directory and re-sup'd it. > Build with no errors --smooth as glass ;) That is good. -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 22:36:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF5CA106567F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1738FC12 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 95226745C9; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:36 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:36 +0000 From: John Birrell To: Alex Goncharov Message-ID: <20080831223636.GA55935@what-creek.com> References: <48B5750B.8000303@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080827160432.GJ2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WARNING: 7-STABLE BROKEN -- please wait to upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:37 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:27:22AM -0400, Alex Goncharov wrote: > Is there anything else I should have done to avoid these problems? If you still have the obj tree from the problem build, there are two things you can do: 1. make STRIP= installworld or 2. Delete the obj tree before building anything new. > Is everything supposed to work out of box now? Yes, but an obj tree from a broken build will cause problems. -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 23:32:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2BD1065686 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B938FC15 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:32:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9AoT1a00h0bG4ec53BYFfz; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:32:15 +0000 Received: from daland.home ([24.61.21.4]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9BYF1a00305H7zL3PBYFgg; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:32:15 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TxatDheO55MA:10 a=-bJS07P5FywA:10 a=rITDv7nW5hcA:10 a=kWDcGC87DiHWLZfoZ3YA:9 a=PBHJnTaBqJYfq9btiF3GOcj42l4A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=mhQ4J5QMNLoA:10 Received: from algo by daland.home with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KZwP0-0006aw-U3; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:32:14 -0400 From: Alex Goncharov To: John Birrell In-reply-to: <20080831223636.GA55935@what-creek.com> (message from John Birrell on Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:36 +0000) References: <48B5750B.8000303@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080827160432.GJ2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20080831223636.GA55935@what-creek.com> Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:32:14 -0400 Cc: stable@freebsd.org, alex-goncharov@comcast.net Subject: Re: WARNING: 7-STABLE BROKEN -- please wait to upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Goncharov List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:32:16 -0000 ,--- You/John (Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:36:36 +0000) ----* | If you still have the obj tree from the problem build, there are two things | you can do: | | 1. make STRIP= installworld Thank you -- that's good to know, for the future. For now, I updated again and using my saved "four cc tools kit" rebuilt the world and kernel. After another reboot everything was fine -- I can use the new `cc' all right now. | or | | 2. Delete the obj tree before building anything new. | | > Is everything supposed to work out of box now? | | Yes, but an obj tree from a broken build will cause problems. That's a bit strange: 1. What in it could cause problems? Doesn't `buildworld' clean out everything in the `obj' tree, other than the "build counter"? 2. I did my rebuild (after the message I sent out this morning), without touching `obj' by hand -- and everything came out all right. (Just wondering) Thank you, -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 23:35:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55181065670 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B938FC0C for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:35:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 2196E745C9; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:35:38 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:35:38 +0000 From: John Birrell To: Alex Goncharov Message-ID: <20080831233537.GA55979@what-creek.com> References: <48B5750B.8000303@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080827160432.GJ2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20080831223636.GA55935@what-creek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WARNING: 7-STABLE BROKEN -- please wait to upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:35:40 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 07:32:14PM -0400, Alex Goncharov wrote: > | or > | > | 2. Delete the obj tree before building anything new. > | > | > Is everything supposed to work out of box now? > | > | Yes, but an obj tree from a broken build will cause problems. > > That's a bit strange: > > 1. What in it could cause problems? Doesn't `buildworld' clean out > everything in the `obj' tree, other than the "build counter"? It's supposed to, but I don't trust it. There is no substitute for a rm -rf of the obj tree. That's also quicker. > 2. I did my rebuild (after the message I sent out this morning), > without touching `obj' by hand -- and everything came out all > right. If that works for you, great. Sorry about the problems. -- Johb Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Aug 31 23:39:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3697106564A for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7934A8FC13 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex-goncharov@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 98kq1a00A0QuhwU56BfRmT; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:39:25 +0000 Received: from daland.home ([24.61.21.4]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9BfP1a00805H7zL3NBfPMk; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:39:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TxatDheO55MA:10 a=-bJS07P5FywA:10 a=rITDv7nW5hcA:10 a=gZi7m0WyUwEae-2jgM8A:9 a=6iHu3E2M61QnVXPqXKXCNSQBbuIA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=mhQ4J5QMNLoA:10 Received: from algo by daland.home with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KZwVx-0006bw-7F; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:39:25 -0400 From: Alex Goncharov To: John Birrell In-reply-to: <20080831233537.GA55979@what-creek.com> (message from John Birrell on Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:35:38 +0000) References: <48B5750B.8000303@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080827160432.GJ2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20080831223636.GA55935@what-creek.com> <20080831233537.GA55979@what-creek.com> Message-Id: Sender: Alex Goncharov Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:39:25 -0400 Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WARNING: 7-STABLE BROKEN -- please wait to upgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alex Goncharov List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:39:26 -0000 ,--- You/John (Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:35:38 +0000) ----* | It's supposed to, but I don't trust it. There is no substitute for | a rm -rf of the obj tree. That's also quicker. Ah, OK... | Sorry about the problems. Oh, no problem at all -- I learned a lot as a result. Just wanted to make sure I understand the state of affairs and ways to act. Thank you! -- Alex -- alex-goncharov@comcast.net -- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 01:52:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1673106567F for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 01:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A008FC19 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 01:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 4407B745C9; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 01:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 01:52:58 +0000 From: John Birrell To: Wes Morgan Message-ID: <20080901015258.GA56694@what-creek.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unresponsive after dtrace X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:52:59 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:35:16AM -0500, Wes Morgan wrote: > I know this has been reported already, but I want to give a "me too". > After installing a new world and kernel from the tree yesterday afternoon, > I let my system run all night. This morning everything was extremely > sluggish and unresponsive. According to top, which I thankfully left > running, processes were going in and out of "*kmem_" (obviously > truncated). CPU usage was 80+% system and load averages were around 5.4. > The only changes I made to my system besides upgrading were to include the > options KDB, DDB and STACK in my kernel for zfs functionality. > Unfortunately, I cannot try without those options since my root is zfs. > Booting a kernel from 8/20 works fine. Wes, will you please try removing "#define KMEM_DEBUG" from: src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c This is the likely cause of the performance problems you are seeing. It is also the reason why you needed to add DDB, DBB and stack to the kernel. The quickest way to try this is to just build the 'opensolaris' kernel module: (keep a copy of your current /boot/kernel) cd src/sys/modules/opensolaris make obj && make depend && make all && make install -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 02:15:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99304106564A for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:15:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6418FC0C for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 58ED5745C9; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:15:28 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:15:28 +0000 From: John Birrell To: stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: ZFS performance issues (solved?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:15:29 -0000 For those people experiencing a performance degradation since the DTrace import, please update your copy of src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c by either cvsup of direct edit to remove "#define KMEM_DEBUG". You only need to rebuild the opensolaris kernel module after this change. The code is shared between ZFS and DTrace via the opensolaris kernel module. This is also the reason why you found it necessary to add KDB, DDB and STACK to your kernel. After removing KMEM_DEBUG, you won't need those. Please confirm that this solves the problem you have been seeing. -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 02:39:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF33106567E for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:39:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdports@bindone.de) Received: from mail.bindone.de (mail.bindone.de [80.190.134.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 045B58FC17 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:39:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdports@bindone.de) Received: (qmail 81859 invoked by uid 89); 1 Sep 2008 02:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bombat.bindone.de) (mg@bindone.de@84.151.213.136) by mail.bindone.de with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 02:12:58 -0000 Message-ID: <48BB4FA6.2090708@bindone.de> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:12:54 +0200 From: Michael User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080818 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 02:39:40 -0000 Any progress here? Does anyone know if this will be fixed in 7.1 latest, or should we start looking for different backup solution (in this case I would suggest to remove dump from the source tree - having a backup tool that doesn't work is worse than having none). After upgrading we basically cannot backup our servers. Shouldn't this issue be on http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/errata.html? cheers michael From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 03:45:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002EC106564A for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:45:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from warped.bluecherry.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:440:eeee:fffb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6698FC13 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:45:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from volatile.chemikals.org (unknown [74.193.170.223]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by warped.bluecherry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6ECDC9E7B040; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:45:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (morganw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by volatile.chemikals.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m813jGT8061128; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:45:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:45:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Wes Morgan To: John Birrell In-Reply-To: <20080901015258.GA56694@what-creek.com> Message-ID: References: <20080901015258.GA56694@what-creek.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unresponsive after dtrace X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:45:25 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, John Birrell wrote: > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 06:35:16AM -0500, Wes Morgan wrote: >> I know this has been reported already, but I want to give a "me too". >> After installing a new world and kernel from the tree yesterday afternoon, >> I let my system run all night. This morning everything was extremely >> sluggish and unresponsive. According to top, which I thankfully left >> running, processes were going in and out of "*kmem_" (obviously >> truncated). CPU usage was 80+% system and load averages were around 5.4. >> The only changes I made to my system besides upgrading were to include the >> options KDB, DDB and STACK in my kernel for zfs functionality. >> Unfortunately, I cannot try without those options since my root is zfs. >> Booting a kernel from 8/20 works fine. > > Wes, will you please try removing "#define KMEM_DEBUG" from: > > src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c > > This is the likely cause of the performance problems you are seeing. It > is also the reason why you needed to add DDB, DBB and stack to the kernel. > > The quickest way to try this is to just build the 'opensolaris' kernel module: > > (keep a copy of your current /boot/kernel) > cd src/sys/modules/opensolaris > make obj && make depend && make all && make install Everything compiled with my original kern config (no STACK etc). I'll let it go for a bit and see, but I don't see any processes going into "kmem_" in top yet. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 06:47:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5ECA1065670; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FFC8FC12; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 06:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m816lrav013451; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:47:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [64.7.128.103]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m816lrA8041245; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:47:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 888AB1B5078; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20080901064753.888AB1B5078@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:47:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: Subject: [releng_7 tinderbox] failure on i386/i386 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:47:57 -0000 TB --- 2008-09-01 05:28:34 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2008-09-01 05:28:34 - starting RELENG_7 tinderbox run for i386/i386 TB --- 2008-09-01 05:28:34 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2008-09-01 05:29:00 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2008-09-01 05:29:00 - /usr/bin/csup -r 3 -g -L 1 -h localhost -s /tinderbox/RELENG_7/i386/i386/supfile TB --- 2008-09-01 05:29:08 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2008-09-01 05:29:08 - cd /src TB --- 2008-09-01 05:29:08 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Mon Sep 1 05:29:10 UTC 2008 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Mon Sep 1 06:35:39 UTC 2008 TB --- 2008-09-01 06:35:39 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2008-09-01 06:35:39 - cd /src/sys/i386/conf TB --- 2008-09-01 06:35:39 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2008-09-01 06:35:39 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2008-09-01 06:35:39 - cd /src TB --- 2008-09-01 06:35:39 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Mon Sep 1 06:35:39 UTC 2008 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -DGPROF -falign-functions=16 -DGPROF4 -DGUPROF -fno-builtin -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Werror -pg -mprofiler-epilogue /src/sys/netinet/ip_gre.c cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -DGPROF -falign-functions=16 -DGPROF4 -DGUPROF -fno-builtin -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Werror -pg -mprofiler-epilogue /src/sys/netinet/ip_id.c cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -DGPROF -falign-functions=16 -DGPROF4 -DGUPROF -fno-builtin -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Werror -pg -mprofiler-epilogue /src/sys/netinet/in_mcast.c cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -DGPROF -falign-functions=16 -DGPROF4 -DGUPROF -fno-builtin -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -Werror -pg -mprofiler-epilogue /src/sys/netinet/in_pcb.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors /src/sys/netinet/in_pcb.c: In function 'inp_wunlock_assert': /src/sys/netinet/in_pcb.c:1342: warning: implicit declaration of function 'INP_WUNLOCK_ASSERT' /src/sys/netinet/in_pcb.c:1342: warning: nested extern declaration of 'INP_WUNLOCK_ASSERT' *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2008-09-01 06:47:53 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2008-09-01 06:47:53 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2008-09-01 06:47:53 - tinderbox aborted TB --- 3885.15 user 404.93 system 4759.10 real http://tinderbox.des.no/tinderbox-releng_7-RELENG_7-i386-i386.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 07:39:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E176106566B for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:39:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hlh@restart.be) Received: from tignes.restart.be (tignes.restart.be [213.251.163.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B880D8FC50 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:39:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hlh@restart.be) Received: from restart.be (avoriaz.tunnel.bel [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:2ad2:1:ffff::]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "avoriaz.restart.be", Issuer "CA master" (verified OK)) by tignes.restart.be (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AAD9E042A; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:38:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from morzine.restart.bel (morzine.restart.bel [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:2ad2:1:2::]) (authenticated bits=0) by restart.be (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m817cVTj043795; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:38:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from hlh@restart.be) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=restart.be; s=avoriaz; t=1220254713; bh=I/AYQb6FQvEW5RFcMb6MYbnRJBxaSmi5mdR3kN7 0xwY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kusyeykCyos2 Caz6y5E4gR/Y0sfXJkuRLBPARW5s6Lux+wh3lGLxyOccFsfkemgzyB6uB/CM3cHDDkF 6Ig5tSg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=avoriaz; d=restart.be; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc: subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:x-scanned-by; b=fxt3YAm5dRdDxuD/KhnBD6Sj4JIRYCDs5AmNvJ+nYw9CKFdBqgWOJP/7upusvuazR SQIv9bj8FavLchAyohyGA== Message-ID: <48BB9BF7.8090202@restart.be> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:38:31 +0200 From: Henri Hennebert Organization: RestartSoft User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080802) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell References: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> In-Reply-To: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on IPv6:2001:41d0:1:2ad2:1:1:: Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS performance issues (solved?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:39:06 -0000 John Birrell wrote: > For those people experiencing a performance degradation since the DTrace import, > please update your copy of src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c > by either cvsup of direct edit to remove "#define KMEM_DEBUG". > > You only need to rebuild the opensolaris kernel module after this change. The code > is shared between ZFS and DTrace via the opensolaris kernel module. > > This is also the reason why you found it necessary to add KDB, DDB and STACK to > your kernel. After removing KMEM_DEBUG, you won't need those. > > Please confirm that this solves the problem you have been seeing. Great, now everything is back to normal Thanks Henri > > -- > John Birrell > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 08:11:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9FCB1065679; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE9BA8FC29; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m818BZ2f090299; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:11:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [64.7.128.103]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m818BZLh009951; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:11:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 1F5051B5078; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20080901081135.1F5051B5078@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:11:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on clamscanner3 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 205.211.164.50 Cc: Subject: [releng_7 tinderbox] failure on i386/pc98 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:11:39 -0000 TB --- 2008-09-01 06:47:53 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2008-09-01 06:47:53 - starting RELENG_7 tinderbox run for i386/pc98 TB --- 2008-09-01 06:47:53 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2008-09-01 06:48:16 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2008-09-01 06:48:16 - /usr/bin/csup -r 3 -g -L 1 -h localhost -s /tinderbox/RELENG_7/i386/pc98/supfile TB --- 2008-09-01 06:48:26 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2008-09-01 06:48:26 - cd /src TB --- 2008-09-01 06:48:26 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Mon Sep 1 06:48:28 UTC 2008 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Mon Sep 1 07:57:48 UTC 2008 TB --- 2008-09-01 07:57:48 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2008-09-01 07:57:48 - cd /src/sys/pc98/conf TB --- 2008-09-01 07:57:48 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2008-09-01 07:57:48 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2008-09-01 07:57:48 - cd /src TB --- 2008-09-01 07:57:48 - /usr/bin/make -B buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Mon Sep 1 07:57:48 UTC 2008 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything [...] :> hack.c cc -shared -nostdlib hack.c -o hack.So rm -f hack.c MAKE=/usr/bin/make sh /src/sys/conf/newvers.sh LINT cc -c -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -std=c99 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -Wundef -Wno-pointer-sign -fformat-extensions -nostdinc -I. -I/src/sys -I/src/sys/contrib/altq -D_KERNEL -DHAVE_KERNEL_OPTION_HEADERS -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -DGPROF -falign-functions=16 -DGPROF4 -DGUPROF -fno-builtin -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -mno-sse3 -ffreestanding -pg -mprofiler-epilogue vers.c linking kernel in_pcb.o(.text+0xbba): In function `inp_wunlock_assert': : undefined reference to `INP_WUNLOCK_ASSERT' *** Error code 1 Stop in /obj/pc98/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /src. TB --- 2008-09-01 08:11:34 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2008-09-01 08:11:34 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2008-09-01 08:11:34 - tinderbox aborted TB --- 3956.26 user 411.37 system 5020.91 real http://tinderbox.des.no/tinderbox-releng_7-RELENG_7-i386-pc98.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 08:40:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99831106567A; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7365E8FC1B; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 08:40:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m818eWfW092251; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:40:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (freebsd-stable.sentex.ca [64.7.128.103]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m818eWFN033531; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:40:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-stable.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 56BCE1B5078; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20080901084032.56BCE1B5078@freebsd-stable.sentex.ca> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 04:40:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93, clamav-milter version 0.93 on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 205.211.164.50 Cc: Subject: [releng_7 tinderbox] failure on ia64/ia64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 08:40:37 -0000 TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:05 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-stable.sentex.ca TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:05 - starting RELENG_7 tinderbox run for ia64/ia64 TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:05 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:19 - cvsupping the source tree TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:19 - /usr/bin/csup -r 3 -g -L 1 -h localhost -s /tinderbox/RELENG_7/ia64/ia64/supfile TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:25 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:25 - cd /src TB --- 2008-09-01 06:55:25 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> World build started on Mon Sep 1 06:55:26 UTC 2008 >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything >>> World build completed on Mon Sep 1 08:27:05 UTC 2008 TB --- 2008-09-01 08:27:05 - 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TB --- 2008-09-01 08:40:32 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2008-09-01 08:40:32 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2008-09-01 08:40:32 - tinderbox aborted TB --- 5248.51 user 409.09 system 6326.45 real http://tinderbox.des.no/tinderbox-releng_7-RELENG_7-ia64-ia64.full From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 09:22:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0361065670 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:22:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (h-74-0-89-210.lsanca54.covad.net [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB7E8FC21 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:22:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from takeda.lan (takeda.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8197IwB021312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:07:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 02:07:11 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?Derek_Kuli=C5=84ski?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.3) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1188558750.20080901020711@takeda.tk> To: Michael In-Reply-To: <48BB4FA6.2090708@bindone.de> References: <48BB4FA6.2090708@bindone.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8125/Mon Sep 1 01:41:58 2008 on chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:22:10 -0000 Hello Michael, Sunday, August 31, 2008, 7:12:54 PM, you wrote: > Any progress here? Does anyone know if this will be fixed in 7.1 latest, > or should we start looking for different backup solution (in this case I > would suggest to remove dump from the source tree - having a backup tool > that doesn't work is worse than having none). After upgrading we > basically cannot backup our servers. > Shouldn't this issue be on > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/errata.html? I was generally upgrading to new minor version each time it appeared, since usually the minor version number change meant that more bugs were fixed and the whole OS was more started. Now, you honestly scared me. Actually I noticed some regression with dump/restore since 6.x and 7.0 (I reported some bugs, but I don't think there was much concern about them). I don't get why nobody cares about this, I think having a reliable backup is one of the most important things. Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). -- Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk Scandisk is now checking your hard drive. You can start praying. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 10:48:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B3A1065685 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:48:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from warped.bluecherry.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:440:eeee:fffb::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26948FC13 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from volatile.chemikals.org (unknown [74.193.170.223]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by warped.bluecherry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A9B69E7B062; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:48:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (morganw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by volatile.chemikals.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m81AmYbZ065488; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:48:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:48:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Wes Morgan To: John Birrell In-Reply-To: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> Message-ID: References: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS performance issues (solved?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:48:39 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, John Birrell wrote: > For those people experiencing a performance degradation since the DTrace > import, please update your copy of > src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c by either cvsup > of direct edit to remove "#define KMEM_DEBUG". > > You only need to rebuild the opensolaris kernel module after this > change. The code is shared between ZFS and DTrace via the opensolaris > kernel module. > > This is also the reason why you found it necessary to add KDB, DDB and > STACK to your kernel. After removing KMEM_DEBUG, you won't need those. > > Please confirm that this solves the problem you have been seeing. 8 or so hours later and everything is good here. One other suggestion, the "opensolaris" module that is now required for zfs is not mentioned anywhere in UPDATING. Users of "MODULES_OVERRIDE" will likely find themselves with a system that will not boot without manual intervention, sometimes even requiring a live cd. A headsup or warning would probably be appreciated by other zfs'ers. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 10:53:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5280D106567E for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:53:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2F008FC20 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 10:52:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Nld1a0080bG4ec57Nsz8h; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:52:59 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Nsx1a0014v8bD73PNsy4J; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:52:59 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6CuBM159f7AA:10 a=o7YMFg7W_UYA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=KJNmFWdNJKcRUTKvkEwA:9 a=l4yxoDvlQWRv8TfcTGYA:7 a=_5FwpDf2gG27SujkWOt7PKtYL64A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B874B17B84E; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:52:57 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Wes Morgan Message-ID: <20080901105257.GA4269@icarus.home.lan> References: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: stable@freebsd.org, John Birrell Subject: Re: ZFS performance issues (solved?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 10:53:00 -0000 On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 05:48:34AM -0500, Wes Morgan wrote: > On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, John Birrell wrote: > >> For those people experiencing a performance degradation since the >> DTrace import, please update your copy of >> src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c by either cvsup >> of direct edit to remove "#define KMEM_DEBUG". >> >> You only need to rebuild the opensolaris kernel module after this >> change. The code is shared between ZFS and DTrace via the opensolaris >> kernel module. >> >> This is also the reason why you found it necessary to add KDB, DDB and >> STACK to your kernel. After removing KMEM_DEBUG, you won't need those. >> >> Please confirm that this solves the problem you have been seeing. > > 8 or so hours later and everything is good here. > > One other suggestion, the "opensolaris" module that is now required for > zfs is not mentioned anywhere in UPDATING. Users of "MODULES_OVERRIDE" > will likely find themselves with a system that will not boot without > manual intervention, sometimes even requiring a live cd. A headsup or > warning would probably be appreciated by other zfs'ers. I second this motion. Upon rebuilding my system this morning, I was surprised to see the kernel printf()s about OpenSolaris and CDDL, and could find no mention of what purpose the module served. I'm assuming it's a module with some centralised code-pieces that DTrace and ZFS share, but I don't have any confirmation of this. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 13:36:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BD5106566B for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:36:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F05D28FC1B for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:36:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m81Da6Vs029481; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:36:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from mdt-xp.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m81Da5BT046532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:36:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 -0400 To: Derek =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kuli=C5=84ski?= , Michael From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <1188558750.20080901020711@takeda.tk> References: <48BB4FA6.2090708@bindone.de> <1188558750.20080901020711@takeda.tk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:36:20 -0000 At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek Kuli=C5=84ski wrote: >Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed >before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). There have been a number of commits to releng_7=20 that fixed dump issues for me. A box that used=20 to regularly exhibit hung dump processes have=20 been working fine since April. e.g. a kernel from 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed Apr 30 does weekly level 0 dumps and daily differential=20 dumps on the file systems below without issue % df -i Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail=20 Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on /dev/twed0s1a 2026030 284346 1579602 15% 2937 279685 1% = / devfs 1 1 0=20 100% 0 0 100% /dev /dev/twed0s1d 5077038 575828 4095048=20 12% 1197 658257 0% /tmp /dev/twed0s1e 20308398 11072840 7610888=20 59% 1065406 1572416 40% /usr /dev/twed0s1f 20308398 13275050 5408678=20 71% 13750 2624072 1% /var /dev/twed0s1g 246875258=20 186393906 40731332 82% 9118036 22794922 29% /zoo However, you should test and make sure it works for you. ---Mike ---Mike=20 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 15:21:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6FED106564A for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arnaud.houdelette@tzim.net) Received: from alaranth.tzim.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:41d0:1:968f:219:d1ff:fedf:4f29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57ABF8FC1B for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arnaud.houdelette@tzim.net) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by alaranth.tzim.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KaBE4-0003mx-C2; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:21:56 +0200 Message-ID: <48BC0897.8030602@tzim.net> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:21:59 +0200 From: Arnaud Houdelette User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell References: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: tzim@tzim.net X-Authenticator: plain Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: ZFS performance issues (solved?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:21:58 -0000 Wes Morgan a écrit : >
On Mon, 1 > Sep 2008, John Birrell wrote: > >> For those people experiencing a performance degradation since the >> DTrace import, please update your copy of >> src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c by either >> cvsup of direct edit to remove "#define KMEM_DEBUG". >> >> You only need to rebuild the opensolaris kernel module after this >> change. The code is shared between ZFS and DTrace via the opensolaris >> kernel module. >> >> This is also the reason why you found it necessary to add KDB, DDB >> and STACK to your kernel. After removing KMEM_DEBUG, you won't need >> those. >> >> Please confirm that this solves the problem you have been seeing. > > 8 or so hours later and everything is good here. > > One other suggestion, the "opensolaris" module that is now required > for zfs is not mentioned anywhere in UPDATING. Users of > "MODULES_OVERRIDE" will likely find themselves with a system that will > not boot without manual intervention, sometimes even requiring a live > cd. A headsup or warning would probably be appreciated by other zfs'ers. I had really bad performance before removing the line. I had to disable zil on zfs (my /usr/src is on zfs) to be able to recompile, as one of the zil process was eating up nearly all off the CPU. After rebuild/install kernel, no problems anymore. Thanks. I second the above suggestion about opensolaris. There's no mention anywhere of this module (or at least, I didn'it find one before), on UPDATING nor on the list of what this module is for ? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 16:00:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39AAC1065689 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:00:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE8158FC1F for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:00:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id HZB57913; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:00:13 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 0005F4500F; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 09:00:12 -0700 (PDT) To: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 EDT." <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1220284812_14962P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:00:12 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.4.29 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ; ; ; ; X-Sender: X-To_Name: Mike Tancsa X-To_Domain: sentex.net X-To: Mike Tancsa X-To_Email: mike@sentex.net X-To_Alias: mike Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kuli=C5=84ski?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:00:18 -0000 --==_Exmh_1220284812_14962P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 -0400 > From: Mike Tancsa > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek KuliÅ„ski wrote: > > >Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed > >before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). > > There have been a number of commits to releng_7 > that fixed dump issues for me. A box that used > to regularly exhibit hung dump processes have > been working fine since April. e.g. a kernel from > 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed Apr 30 > > does weekly level 0 dumps and daily differential > dumps on the file systems below without issue > % df -i > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail > Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on > /dev/twed0s1a 2026030 284346 1579602 15% 2937 279685 1% / > devfs 1 1 0 > 100% 0 0 100% /dev > /dev/twed0s1d 5077038 575828 4095048 > 12% 1197 658257 0% /tmp > /dev/twed0s1e 20308398 11072840 7610888 > 59% 1065406 1572416 40% /usr > /dev/twed0s1f 20308398 13275050 5408678 > 71% 13750 2624072 1% /var > /dev/twed0s1g 246875258 > 186393906 40731332 82% 9118036 22794922 29% /zoo > > However, you should test and make sure it works for you. I have a 7-Stable system which has not been able to successfully dump(8) for about 2 months. Since it contains almost no important data that is subject to change, it's not too big a deal, but I worry that other systems might start showing the same problems. I have no idea why it's failing, though, and I have spent little effort in troubleshooting it. I'm running 3 week old stable and I'll be updating to today's RELENG_7 later today. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1220284812_14962P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFIvBGMkn3rs5h7N1ERAjd0AJ9Wk/fm8dPEHLn6PHuLze24GRSlWQCcDJTJ H615pLTUkwSX7XBn0dsvH8Q= =27OW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1220284812_14962P-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 16:06:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F46D1065772 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:06:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA28D8FC15 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:06:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m81G6TAf039865; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:06:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from mdt-xp.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m81G6Sfq047073 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:06:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <200809011606.m81G6Sfq047073@lava.sentex.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:06:35 -0400 To: "Kevin Oberman" From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> References: <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kuli=C5=84ski?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:06:45 -0000 At 12:00 PM 9/1/2008, Kevin Oberman wrote: >I have a 7-Stable system which has not been able to successfully dump(8) >for about 2 months. Since it contains almost no important data that is >subject to change, it's not too big a deal, but I worry that other >systems might start showing the same problems. How does it actually fail ? Do the dump processes stall, or does it error out ? Did you fsck the file system ? I have seen dump fail when the file system is dirty. Also, I am not using snapshots. The flags I use are /sbin/dump -C24 -${BACKUP_LEVEL}anuf - /zoo | /usr/bin/gzip | dd of=/backup/zoo-level-${BACKUP_LEVEL}.gz ---Mike From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 16:32:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E732D106567C for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yds@CoolRat.org) Received: from orion.dppl.com (orion.dppl.net [216.182.10.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23DF8FC18 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:32:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yds@CoolRat.org) Received: from sushi.coolrat.org (c-68-44-170-116.hsd1.nj.comcast.net [68.44.170.116]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by orion.dppl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5396D6432C83; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48BC1904.2080503@CoolRat.org> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:32:04 -0400 From: Yarema User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell References: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> In-Reply-To: <20080901021528.GB56694@what-creek.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS performance issues (solved?!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:32:07 -0000 John Birrell wrote: > For those people experiencing a performance degradation since the DTrace import, > please update your copy of src/sys/cddl/compat/opensolaris/kern/opensolaris_kmem.c > by either cvsup of direct edit to remove "#define KMEM_DEBUG". > > You only need to rebuild the opensolaris kernel module after this change. The code > is shared between ZFS and DTrace via the opensolaris kernel module. > > This is also the reason why you found it necessary to add KDB, DDB and STACK to > your kernel. After removing KMEM_DEBUG, you won't need those. > > Please confirm that this solves the problem you have been seeing. Yes! Last night doing a csup would peg the Sys CPU usage at 100%. After rebuilding the opensolaris kernel module everything is back to normal. There's a csup running as I type this and the system is upwards of 90%Idle. Thanks, Yarema From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 17:00:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA901065670 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk [195.10.242.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30708FC14 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:00:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost.epcdirect.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) by gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F50261C6 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:41:47 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: by GunFright.EPCDirect.co.uk Received: from gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id jdPcN9tr6I6L for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:41:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from lfarr (l-farr.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B1261C4 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:41:47 +0100 (BST) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: References: Your message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 EDT." <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:41:44 +0100 Message-ID: <076e01c90c51$9e226bb0$da674310$@co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckMS+58CsvZlm5fTNi0vMU9EVOTHwABOrlQ Content-Language: en-gb Subject: Anyone else seeing make release failing? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:00:03 -0000 I build releases nightly, and have been getting (snip) + shift + FSLABEL=minimum3 + shift + [ 4320 -eq 0 -a minimum3 = auto ] + rm -f /R/stage/mfsroot/mfsroot + dd of=/R/stage/mfsroot/mfsroot if=/dev/zero count=4320 bs=1k uname -r + [ -f /R/stage/trees/base/boot/boot ] BOOT=-B -b + /R/stage/trees/base/boot/boot dofs_md [ x != x ] mdconfig -a -t vnode + -f /R/stage/mfsroot/mfsroot mdconfig: failed to load geom_md module: No such file or directory + MDDEVICE= + umount /dev For a few days now. The module exists, but refuses to load, as I guess it's already in Generic? kldload: can't load geom_md: File exists Do I just need a newer -STABLE than FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #1: Mon Mar 17 13:20:41 GMT 2008? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 20:13:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09C61065693 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal4.es.net [198.124.252.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459488FC0C for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal4.es.net (Postal Node 4) with ESMTP (SSL) id HDO70625; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:13:25 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 191594501A; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:13:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:06:35 EDT." <200809011606.m81G6Sfq047073@lava.sentex.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1220300004_14962P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:13:24 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20080901201324.191594501A@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.4.29 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ; ; ; ; X-Sender: X-To_Name: Mike Tancsa X-To_Domain: sentex.net X-To: Mike Tancsa X-To_Email: mike@sentex.net X-To_Alias: mike Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kuli=C5=84ski?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:13:27 -0000 --==_Exmh_1220300004_14962P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:06:35 -0400 > From: Mike Tancsa > > At 12:00 PM 9/1/2008, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > >I have a 7-Stable system which has not been able to successfully dump(8) > >for about 2 months. Since it contains almost no important data that is > >subject to change, it's not too big a deal, but I worry that other > >systems might start showing the same problems. > > How does it actually fail ? Do the dump processes stall, or does it > error out ? Did you fsck the file system ? I have seen dump fail > when the file system is dirty. Also, I am not using snapshots. The > flags I use are > > /sbin/dump -C24 -${BACKUP_LEVEL}anuf - /zoo | /usr/bin/gzip | dd > of=/backup/zoo-level-${BACKUP_LEVEL}.gz Mike, Thanks for the suggestion. I'm pretty sure I have done a full fsck, but not positive, so I will try one tomorrow. The system is in a location which is unmanned today due to the holiday, and a full fsck kind of needs either a human or remote console. I have tried both with and without snapshots, so those don't seem to be the problem. In any case, I'll know more tomorrow. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1220300004_14962P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFIvEzkkn3rs5h7N1ERAuiJAJ9Z/UrrskVeifi2iG51o46CO8c6IwCgr3uy XO8cllz+jZ2fkJKEtrn5LEI= =qeRs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1220300004_14962P-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 20:18:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201A6106566B for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:18:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (h-74-0-89-210.lsanca54.covad.net [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB118FC1A for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:18:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from TAKEDA-WS (takeda.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m81KHv2m032365 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:17:50 -0700 From: =?windows-1250?Q?Derek_Kuli=F1ski?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.3) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1559181345.20080901131750@takeda.tk> To: "Kevin Oberman" In-Reply-To: <20080901201324.191594501A@ptavv.es.net> References: Your message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:06:35 EDT." <200809011606.m81G6Sfq047073@lava.sentex.ca> <20080901201324.191594501A@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8131/Mon Sep 1 06:33:22 2008 on chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Michael Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 20:18:09 -0000 Hello Kevin, Monday, September 1, 2008, 1:13:24 PM, you wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion. I'm pretty sure I have done a full fsck, but > not positive, so I will try one tomorrow. The system is in a location > which is unmanned today due to the holiday, and a full fsck kind of needs > either a human or remote console. > I have tried both with and without snapshots, so those don't seem to be > the problem. > In any case, I'll know more tomorrow. You can also make a snapshot and run fsck on it. According to the documentation, if system is good state, then fsck on a snapshot should return no errors. I don't know how does it work the other way (i.e. if there are no errors shown, does that mean fs is ok?) -- Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk Hey! It compiles! Ship it! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 21:28:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B58106566C for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdports@bindone.de) Received: from mail.bindone.de (mail.bindone.de [80.190.134.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 082148FC22 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdports@bindone.de) Received: (qmail 53223 invoked by uid 89); 1 Sep 2008 21:28:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bombat.bindone.de) (mg@bindone.de@84.151.246.143) by mail.bindone.de with ESMTPA; 1 Sep 2008 21:28:53 -0000 Message-ID: <48BC5E90.1060900@bindone.de> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:28:48 +0200 From: Michael User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080818 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa References: <48BB4FA6.2090708@bindone.de> <1188558750.20080901020711@takeda.tk> <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> In-Reply-To: <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080603060905030707020102" Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Derek_Kulin=27ski?= , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:28:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080603060905030707020102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry to scare you, I was a little unhappy about dump hanging. Based on the cvs repository I wrote a little patch that combines two changes made by scott and jeff that works agains 7.0-RELEASE (looking at the commit logs scared me away from trying STABLE on production right now. After applying this patch I could run dumps successfully on seven machines where it hung before on every single attempt (use is at your own risk of course). cd /usr/src/sys/kern patch < /tmp/mysleepqueue.patch recompile and install kernel reboot Since I also found a fatal bug in ipv6 (panic on ping6) it might be better for you to wait for 7.1, for us there is no way back now. cheers michael Mike Tancsa wrote: > At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek KuliÅ„ski wrote: > >> Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed >> before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). > > There have been a number of commits to releng_7 that fixed dump issues > for me. A box that used to regularly exhibit hung dump processes have > been working fine since April. e.g. a kernel from > 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed Apr 30 > > does weekly level 0 dumps and daily differential dumps on the file > systems below without issue > % df -i > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity iused ifree > %iused Mounted on > /dev/twed0s1a 2026030 284346 1579602 15% 2937 279685 > 1% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% 0 0 > 100% /dev > /dev/twed0s1d 5077038 575828 4095048 12% 1197 658257 0% > /tmp > /dev/twed0s1e 20308398 11072840 7610888 59% 1065406 1572416 40% > /usr > /dev/twed0s1f 20308398 13275050 5408678 71% 13750 2624072 1% > /var > /dev/twed0s1g 246875258 186393906 40731332 82% 9118036 22794922 > 29% /zoo > > However, you should test and make sure it works for you. > > ---Mike > > ---Mike --------------080603060905030707020102 Content-Type: text/plain; name="mysleepqueue.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="mysleepqueue.patch" --- subr_sleepqueue.c~ 2008-09-01 05:14:28.000000000 +0200 +++ subr_sleepqueue.c 2008-09-01 05:14:28.000000000 +0200 @@ -177,7 +177,7 @@ for (i = 0; i < SC_TABLESIZE; i++) { LIST_INIT(&sleepq_chains[i].sc_queues); mtx_init(&sleepq_chains[i].sc_lock, "sleepq chain", NULL, - MTX_SPIN); + MTX_SPIN | MTX_RECURSE); #ifdef SLEEPQUEUE_PROFILING snprintf(chain_name, sizeof(chain_name), "%d", i); chain_oid = SYSCTL_ADD_NODE(NULL, @@ -403,12 +403,15 @@ mtx_unlock(&ps->ps_mtx); } /* - * Lock sleepq chain before unlocking proc - * without this, we could lose a race. - */ + * Lock the per-process spinlock prior to dropping the PROC_LOCK + * to avoid a signal delivery race. PROC_LOCK, PROC_SLOCK, and + * thread_lock() are currently held in tdsignal(). + */ + PROC_SLOCK(p); mtx_lock_spin(&sc->sc_lock); PROC_UNLOCK(p); thread_lock(td); + PROC_SUNLOCK(p); if (ret == 0) { if (!(td->td_flags & TDF_INTERRUPT)) { sleepq_switch(wchan); --------------080603060905030707020102-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 21:38:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC38C1065675 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D4B8FC35 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:38:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9ZcT1a0080QkzPwA2Zex10; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:38:57 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9Zew1a0044v8bD78NZew6c; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:38:57 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pCr_F2gNLvkA:10 a=2kEG5XAC4tcA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=sofPxfEaEcOMhPOr-GsA:9 a=KAVwyec_Mp4m7cLyeDYA:7 a=Ql3xXXNNJYJWt0qaA_cX2iSWBYcA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=qm7f-9QL9LsA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 329F417B84E; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:38:56 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> References: <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:38:58 -0000 On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:00:12AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 -0400 > > From: Mike Tancsa > > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > > > At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek Kuli??ski wrote: > > > > >Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed > > >before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). > > > > There have been a number of commits to releng_7 > > that fixed dump issues for me. A box that used > > to regularly exhibit hung dump processes have > > been working fine since April. e.g. a kernel from > > 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed Apr 30 > > > > does weekly level 0 dumps and daily differential > > dumps on the file systems below without issue > > % df -i > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail > > Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on > > /dev/twed0s1a 2026030 284346 1579602 15% 2937 279685 1% / > > devfs 1 1 0 > > 100% 0 0 100% /dev > > /dev/twed0s1d 5077038 575828 4095048 > > 12% 1197 658257 0% /tmp > > /dev/twed0s1e 20308398 11072840 7610888 > > 59% 1065406 1572416 40% /usr > > /dev/twed0s1f 20308398 13275050 5408678 > > 71% 13750 2624072 1% /var > > /dev/twed0s1g 246875258 > > 186393906 40731332 82% 9118036 22794922 29% /zoo > > > > However, you should test and make sure it works for you. > > I have a 7-Stable system which has not been able to successfully dump(8) > for about 2 months. Since it contains almost no important data that is > subject to change, it's not too big a deal, but I worry that other > systems might start showing the same problems. > > I have no idea why it's failing, though, and I have spent little effort > in troubleshooting it. I'm running 3 week old stable and I'll be > updating to today's RELENG_7 later today. Can someone explain what "dump frequently hangs" actually means? Does it lock up the entire machine indefinitely (and if so, how long did you wait for it to (hopefully) recover)? Or does it more or less "deadlock" the machine, making it generally unusable, until the dump is completely finished? If the latter, I can confirm this problem -- which is why we moved all of our production systems away from using dump on UFS2 to simply using rsnapshot[1]. I'll try to find the thread (it was a year or so ago) where a developer told me more or less what was going on. The problem was that UFS2 snapshot generation, over time, becomes slower and slower to generate (this is what dump does on UFS2 systems, with or without the -L flag), and is a known design issue. If anything, this issue makes ZFS incredibly important with regards to -STABLE, where its snapshot generation for backups does not behave this was; fast and very easily managable. [1]: rsync is great for backups, and very fast, but there's the issue of modifying atimes. I committed a patch to ports/net/rsync which adds an --atimes flag, except its behaviour is not what you'd expect: the file which was copied, at the destination, has the correct atime (of the source), but the source itself ends up getting its atime modified, so you're essentially destroying the atime data on the source. This is a problem when it comes to programs which use atime to discern things, such as classic UNIX mailboxes/mbox. "Um, why does mutt say I don't have any new mail when I do??" In our case, the only person using classic UNIX mboxes with a mail client local to the machine was me, so I ended up migrating my procmail rules and data to Maildir using mutt, solving the problem entirely. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 22:27:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66D81065682 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1DB68FC0A for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9ZeM1a00w0QkzPwA2aTgpQ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:27:40 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9aTe1a00A4v8bD78NaTeDQ; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:27:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pCr_F2gNLvkA:10 a=2kEG5XAC4tcA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=Us-WIRBDAAAA:8 a=4EkV1u-Jtwj-ltfZFMkA:9 a=YBoHxhRgqUgaCCjgZLIA:7 a=OzF0bEOluyi1bAcj3m4xbDMZam4A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3EF0917B84E; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:27:38 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20080901222738.GA17793@icarus.home.lan> References: <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:27:42 -0000 On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:38:56PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > ... I'll try to find the thread (it was a year or so ago) > where a developer told me more or less what was going on. The problem > was that UFS2 snapshot generation, over time, becomes slower and slower > to generate (this is what dump does on UFS2 systems, with or without the > -L flag), and is a known design issue. The issue I'm describing above is fully discussed here. Be sure to read the threads I reference in my mail, as well as Eric Anderson and Peter Jeremy's replies: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2007-October/021985.html There's also a statement from Kris Kennaway in one of the above referenced threads, who states that "UFS2 snapshots (e.g. dump -L) were not intended to be used this way": http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-January/032070.html In that same thread, Doug Ambrisko provided a patch which supposedly made UFS2 snapshot generation significantly better for him, specifically with regards to dump "getting wedged": http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-January/032250.html Another thread discussing this problem ("lock up when dump is used"): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-June/042823.html And finally, an issue I encountered (rebooting a system in the middle of dump -L) was documented here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2007-September/036916.html I'll be adding these issues to my FreeBSD wiki page momentarily. I think folks should reconsider use of dump when UFS2 filesystems are chosen. This goes against what the O'Reilly "Backup & Recovery" book concludes, and what Elizabeth Zwicky concluded in her backup/recovery torture tests (albeit 17 years ago, but the document is referenced in the FreeBSD handbook itself): http://www.coredumps.de/doc/dump/zwicky/testdump.doc.html If you're using older UFS1 filesystems, dump should be fine, as there's no snapshot generation supported there. If the problem is truly with UFS2 snapshot generation, then I'd like to know why dump bothers with spitting out a warning when -L is used, more or less inducing people to modify their scripts to use the -L flag. The commit which induced this behaviour is from November 2002, and modified in April 2004 to advocate -L usage even more: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/dump/main.c.diff?r1=1.42;r2=1.43;f=h http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/sbin/dump/main.c.diff?r1=1.57;r2=1.58;f=h -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 22:31:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77869106566C; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE4E8FC0A; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:31:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m81MVTtB067063; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:31:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from mdt-xp.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.13.8/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m81MVTJK048487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:31:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <200809012231.m81MVTJK048487@lava.sentex.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:31:36 -0400 To: Jeremy Chadwick , Kevin Oberman From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> References: <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kuli=C5?= ?ski , Michael , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:31:45 -0000 At 05:38 PM 9/1/2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: >Can someone explain what "dump frequently hangs" actually means? > >Does it lock up the entire machine indefinitely (and if so, how long did >you wait for it to (hopefully) recover)? As in the process hanging. For me, it was fixed quite some time ago. [zoo]# ps -auxlww | grep dump root 32093 0.0 3.8 39972 38036 ?? D Fri11PM 0:00.43 /sbin/dump -C24 0 1 0 20 0 pause root 73970 0.0 2.7 28708 26688 ?? D Thu11PM 0:00.14 /sbin/dump -C24 0 1 1 20 0 pause root 80852 0.0 3.8 39972 38000 ?? D 11:30PM 0:18.43 /sbin/dump -C24 0 1 0 20 0 pause root 98637 0.0 0.1 3308 1040 pd RL+ 8:20AM 0:00.00 grep dump 0 72305 0 96 0 - [zoo]# kill -9 80852 [zoo]# kill -9 80852 [zoo]# kill -9 80852 [zoo]# ps -auxlww | grep dump root 32093 0.0 3.8 39972 38036 ?? D Fri11PM 0:00.43 /sbin/dump -C24 0 1 0 20 0 pause root 73970 0.0 2.7 28708 26688 ?? D Thu11PM 0:00.14 /sbin/dump -C24 0 1 1 20 0 pause root 80852 0.0 3.8 39972 38000 ?? D 11:30PM 0:18.43 /sbin/dump -C24 0 1 0 20 0 pause root 98639 0.0 0.1 3308 1040 pd R+ 8:20AM 0:00.00 grep dump 0 72305 0 96 0 - [zoo]# >[1]: rsync is great for backups, and very fast, but there's the issue of >modifying atimes. I committed a patch to ports/net/rsync which adds an >--atimes flag, except its behaviour is not what you'd expect: the file >which was copied, at the destination, has the correct atime (of the >source), but the source itself ends up getting its atime modified, so >you're essentially destroying the atime data on the source. One of the reasons I dont use it for backups. Also its a pain with things like /dev and other special files. ---Mike From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 22:36:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7436D1065672 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F0D8FC25 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 22:36:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9YsV1a0080cZkys56acYdg; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:36:32 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9acW1a0024v8bD73WacWl1; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:36:31 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pCr_F2gNLvkA:10 a=2kEG5XAC4tcA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=RSDXKoDseaxdrUXAbecA:9 a=30igA5C5co8REFt9nbt_okaN544A:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DDF2317B84E; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 15:36:29 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20080901223629.GA18346@icarus.home.lan> References: <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 22:36:33 -0000 On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 02:38:56PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > The problem was that UFS2 snapshot generation, over time, becomes > slower and slower to generate (this is what dump does on UFS2 systems, > with or without the -L flag), and is a known design issue. Clarification: dump on UFS2 (without -L flag) will NOT generate a snapshot, but emits a nasty message telling you to use -L on live filesystems which are mounted r/w. I'm wondering if people experiencing this problem are using the -L flag or not (I'm betting most are). If you are, try removing it and see if things improve. But if I remember correctly, there's also a risk involved with this: not generating a snapshot on UFS2 means your dump could actually contain "half-written" files (e.g. when you recover, you might only have a partial file for something that was being written at the time of dump). -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 23:07:08 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 975C41065682 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AE38FC12 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:07:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0K6J00MZOHJSZK70@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:07:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kg-work.kg4.no ([80.202.72.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0K6J000KAGFETY60@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:43:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 00:42:50 +0200 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <20080902004250.3b006e50.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-reply-to: <200808191715.54250.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <20080815235523.5b019915.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200808181033.05680.jhb@freebsd.org> <20080818194400.70430d39.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> <200808191715.54250.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq; m"_0v; ~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH Subject: Re: trying to mount a write prptected zip disk panics the machine (unless the -r flag is used) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:07:08 -0000 On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:15:54 -0400 John Baldwin wrote: > That's right, but not the specific bug I am familiar with. :( Ok. The issue is now documented as PR i386/127029 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=127029 No, I am not sure that this issue only relates to i386. But I haven't tested the zip drive elsewhere. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 1 23:51:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042BF1065678 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal4.es.net [198.124.252.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7F88FC17 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:51:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by postal4.es.net (Postal Node 4) with ESMTP (SSL) id HGA01646; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:51:46 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP (SSL) id HGA54944; Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:51:44 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 4B53B4501A; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:51:44 -0700 (PDT) To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:38:56 PDT." <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1220313104_45719P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:51:44 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20080901235144.4B53B4501A@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.3.207 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ; ; ; ; ; X-Sender: X-To_Name: Jeremy Chadwick X-To_Domain: freebsd.org X-To: Jeremy Chadwick X-To_Email: koitsu@FreeBSD.org X-To_Alias: koitsu Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:51:47 -0000 --==_Exmh_1220313104_45719P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 14:38:56 -0700 > From: Jeremy Chadwick > > On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 09:00:12AM -0700, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:36:11 -0400 > > > From: Mike Tancsa > > > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > > > > > At 05:07 AM 9/1/2008, Derek Kuli??ski wrote: > > > > > > >Now I'm honestly a bit scared about it (even if it will be fixed > > > >before 7.1, I'm not sure I'll hurry with the update). > > > > > > There have been a number of commits to releng_7 > > > that fixed dump issues for me. A box that used > > > to regularly exhibit hung dump processes have > > > been working fine since April. e.g. a kernel from > > > 7.0-STABLE FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE #4: Wed Apr 30 > > > > > > does weekly level 0 dumps and daily differential > > > dumps on the file systems below without issue > > > % df -i > > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail > > > Capacity iused ifree %iused Mounted on > > > /dev/twed0s1a 2026030 284346 1579602 15% 2937 279685 1% / > > > devfs 1 1 0 > > > 100% 0 0 100% /dev > > > /dev/twed0s1d 5077038 575828 4095048 > > > 12% 1197 658257 0% /tmp > > > /dev/twed0s1e 20308398 11072840 7610888 > > > 59% 1065406 1572416 40% /usr > > > /dev/twed0s1f 20308398 13275050 5408678 > > > 71% 13750 2624072 1% /var > > > /dev/twed0s1g 246875258 > > > 186393906 40731332 82% 9118036 22794922 29% /zoo > > > > > > However, you should test and make sure it works for you. > > > > I have a 7-Stable system which has not been able to successfully dump(8) > > for about 2 months. Since it contains almost no important data that is > > subject to change, it's not too big a deal, but I worry that other > > systems might start showing the same problems. > > > > I have no idea why it's failing, though, and I have spent little effort > > in troubleshooting it. I'm running 3 week old stable and I'll be > > updating to today's RELENG_7 later today. > > Can someone explain what "dump frequently hangs" actually means? > > Does it lock up the entire machine indefinitely (and if so, how long did > you wait for it to (hopefully) recover)? > > Or does it more or less "deadlock" the machine, making it generally > unusable, until the dump is completely finished? > > If the latter, I can confirm this problem -- which is why we moved all > of our production systems away from using dump on UFS2 to simply using > rsnapshot[1]. I'll try to find the thread (it was a year or so ago) > where a developer told me more or less what was going on. The problem > was that UFS2 snapshot generation, over time, becomes slower and slower > to generate (this is what dump does on UFS2 systems, with or without the > -L flag), and is a known design issue. > > If anything, this issue makes ZFS incredibly important with regards to > -STABLE, where its snapshot generation for backups does not behave this > was; fast and very easily managable. > > [1]: rsync is great for backups, and very fast, but there's the issue of > modifying atimes. I committed a patch to ports/net/rsync which adds an > --atimes flag, except its behaviour is not what you'd expect: the file > which was copied, at the destination, has the correct atime (of the > source), but the source itself ends up getting its atime modified, so > you're essentially destroying the atime data on the source. > > This is a problem when it comes to programs which use atime to discern > things, such as classic UNIX mailboxes/mbox. "Um, why does mutt say I > don't have any new mail when I do??" In our case, the only person using > classic UNIX mboxes with a mail client local to the machine was me, so I > ended up migrating my procmail rules and data to Maildir using mutt, > solving the problem entirely. > > -- > | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | > | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | > | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | > | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | > In my case the dump deadlocks, but the system is unaffected. The dump just freezes. I need to look at it more closely, but I simply have not had time. I don't even recall what state it is in when frozen, but it can be 'kill -9'ed. The problem has persisted through at least one system upgrade. I'll try to track down more tomorrow. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1220313104_45719P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFIvIAQkn3rs5h7N1ERAhzxAJ9pu9Gs5lhOhFq6ctb9lziLcPU2qgCgkJZT HQZDqFDz+ZrfGJ8aLRfUnMU= =uhMF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1220313104_45719P-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 01:27:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2042C1065678 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from chinatsu.takeda.tk (h-74-0-89-210.lsanca54.covad.net [74.0.89.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E516F8FC1F for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 01:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Received: from TAKEDA-WS (takeda.lan [10.0.0.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by chinatsu.takeda.tk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m821R1IX035985 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:27:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takeda@takeda.tk) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 18:18:24 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?Derek_Kuli=C5=84ski?= X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.3) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <256483253.20080901181824@takeda.tk> To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20080901222738.GA17793@icarus.home.lan> References: <200809011336.m81Da5BT046532@lava.sentex.ca> <20080901160013.0005F4500F@ptavv.es.net> <20080901213856.GA17155@icarus.home.lan> <20080901222738.GA17793@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8136/Mon Sep 1 17:32:04 2008 on chinatsu.takeda.tk X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Michael Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 01:27:15 -0000 Hello Jeremy, Monday, September 1, 2008, 3:27:38 PM, you wrote: [... links about problems with snapshots ...] the dump can be used without snapshots, in that case is it a still worse method of doing backups? as for the snapshots, you made me even more depressed :) I don't have huge hard disk so I think backup on biggest partition takes a minute (maybe less) which is not so bad. I loved snapshots because the backup that I got was always consistent (I had an opportunity to test it three times already). I only had to remember to lock the database and flush all writes during the snapshot, which was possible to be completely done through a simple script. -- Best regards, Derek mailto:takeda@takeda.tk -- Hidden DOS secret: add BUGS=OFF to your CONFIG.SYS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 06:47:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56841065679 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 06:47:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0B88FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 06:47:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9imo1a00H1HzFnQ59inigX; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:47:42 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 9ing1a00A4v8bD73ainhol; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:47:42 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=pCr_F2gNLvkA:10 a=2kEG5XAC4tcA:10 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=dQXwk8AmTVl1KTBxKLkA:9 a=1E2Af3j8deBvQ3rtOSwA:7 a=_OOfNTvv78GJS9KyKVyGWK9HT3wA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E2DF17B84E; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 23:47:40 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Danny Braniss Message-ID: <20080902064740.GA17890@icarus.home.lan> References: <20080901235144.4B53B4501A@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 06:47:43 -0000 On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:39:20AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: > take a look at: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 > danny That PR may or may not be relevant, depending upon what FreeBSD version users are using, and what kernel build date. The bug mentioned in that PR got addressed in HEAD on March 13th, 2008, and the fix MFC'd to RELENG_7 on April 19th, 2008. It was never MFC'd to RELENG_6. If there are users on RELENG_7 with kernels built with sources after April 19th 2008 who are experiencing the problem, then the PR is probably not relevant. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 07:09:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026161065674 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:09:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2C78FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1KaPXs-0008LG-O7; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:39:20 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: "Kevin Oberman" In-reply-to: <20080901235144.4B53B4501A@ptavv.es.net> References: <20080901235144.4B53B4501A@ptavv.es.net> Comments: In-reply-to "Kevin Oberman" message dated "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 16:51:44 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:39:20 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Jeremy Chadwick , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:09:20 -0000 take a look at: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 danny From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 07:55:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375BA1065677; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:55:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051958FC1D; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 07:55:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E4146C1C; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 03:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:55:31 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20080902064740.GA17890@icarus.home.lan> Message-ID: References: <20080901235144.4B53B4501A@ptavv.es.net> <20080902064740.GA17890@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Derek_Kuli=C5=3Fski?= , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 07:55:33 -0000 On Mon, 1 Sep 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:39:20AM +0300, Danny Braniss wrote: >> take a look at: >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 danny > > That PR may or may not be relevant, depending upon what FreeBSD version > users are using, and what kernel build date. > > The bug mentioned in that PR got addressed in HEAD on March 13th, 2008, and > the fix MFC'd to RELENG_7 on April 19th, 2008. It was never MFC'd to > RELENG_6. > > If there are users on RELENG_7 with kernels built with sources after April > 19th 2008 who are experiencing the problem, then the PR is probably not > relevant. Part of the "problem" here is that a whole class of possible bugs have near-identical symptoms. While each of the following means quite different things to a kernel developer working on the problem, and may reflect quite different types of bugs, they are all often described as "dump hangs" or "dump wedges": - the system deadlocks - dump fails to complete and/or exit, but cannot be killed - dump fails to complete and/or exit, but can be killed When snapshots were first introduced, the problems tended to be at the top end of that list, corresponding to VFS locking and resource starvation deadlocks. As the snapshot code has matured, new problems in both the kernel scheduler and dump code have arisen as parallelism has increased, reflecting a combination of old bugs in the dump code and new bugs in the kernel scheduler. Unfortunately, these bugs don't tend to get discovered much during testing in -CURRENT -- perhaps people don't back up their -CURRENT boxes much :-). I think we need to rigorously do the following: - For each bug report, determine whether it is reporting one or more of the above types of "hangs". If multiple types are reported, track them with different bug reports. - Establish as early as possible whether a fix resolves the problems in each report. Because we're dealing with many bugs over time, it's possible to end up with accidentally "omnibus" reports that remain open and are never closed, even though committed and released fixes may correct the problems experienced by the reporter. It is almost impossible, btw, to rewind and years later determine if any particular fix would have corrected any particular report, because the original submitter will have moved on. Dump happens to be particularly sensitive to bugs of these sorts because it uses snapshots and it uses multiple workers that signal each other, so it's a good lithmus test of stability of both of those features. However, it's easy to conclude that dump is much less stable than it proves in practice because we have a lot of stale and confusing bug reports. What we do need is a dump bug report owner, who can keep track of the outstanding set, try to agressively close the ones that are fixed, which will among other things allow us to better track regressions vs bugs from inception. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 10:07:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE0E1065685 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE2C8FC0C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1KaSYp-0006zB-EG>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:52:31 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1KaSYp-0002HR-DI>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:52:31 +0200 Message-ID: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:50:18 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Subject: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:07:49 -0000 Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. Well, loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most fonts now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 10:24:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7B61065679 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:24:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AF28FC1B for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KaT40-0000Le-45 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:24:44 +0000 Received: from utwig.xim.bz ([195.184.197.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:24:44 +0000 Received: from c.kworr by utwig.xim.bz with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:24:44 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Volodymyr Kostyrko Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:24:34 +0300 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: utwig.xim.bz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; ru-RU; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080822 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 In-Reply-To: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:24:47 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. Well, > loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most fonts > now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( Same for me, just some transparent pictures render transparency as black, good example is reader.google.com. This also isn't new to me, some pictures was shown like this in previous driver versions. I was just a bit unsure who was bad at it. -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 12:54:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE8D106564A for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:54:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E888FC19 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:54:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1KaVOh-00070I-AN>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:54:15 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1KaVOh-0004LA-9O>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:54:15 +0200 Message-ID: <48BD36F2.2030902@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:52:02 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Volodymyr Kostyrko References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:54:17 -0000 Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > O. Hartmann wrote: >> Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. >> Well, loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most >> fonts now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( > > Same for me, just some transparent pictures render transparency as > black, good example is reader.google.com. This also isn't new to me, > some pictures was shown like this in previous driver versions. I was > just a bit unsure who was bad at it. > Well, everything with a transparency, as you stated above, seems to be broken, reading Email is a horror, most web sites are rendered broken in Firefox 3. Luckily, within xterm everthing is ok. I recompiled xorg and my windowmanager, no effect. Even xdm shows up with black bars were normally 'LOGIN:' and 'PASSWORD:' shows up ... Is there a solution? The situation is serious ... -- Oliver Hartmann Freie Universitaet Berlin Planetologie und Fernerkundung Malteserstr. 74 - 100/Haus D D-12249 Berlin Tel.: +49 (0) 30 838 70 508 FAX: +49 (0) 30 838 70 539 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 13:23:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0569106567E for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:23:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net) Received: from office2.aipotu.nl (office2.aipotu.nl [194.123.169.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3B78FC21 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:23:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net) X-H2O-MailScanner-Watermark: 1220965734.25531@EN38wFibTQLvSZKZkuoc/g Received: from hail.bengrimm.net (hail.bengrimm.net [86.90.159.11]) by office2.aipotu.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m82D8qD4094139 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:08:52 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: office2.aipotu.nl; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.i=@bengrimm.net; dkim-adsp=pass X-AIPOTU-FROM: X-AIPOTU-TO: X-AIPOTU-IP: hail.bengrimm.net [86.90.159.11] X-H2O-MailScanner-Watermark: 1220965711.37064@qA/eNu/aO9IUd+eExpX+LQ Received: from benmobi.bengrimm.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hail.bengrimm.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m82D8Uge085997 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:08:30 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=bengrimm.net; s=libertas; t=1220360910; bh=WWkI+pzIpQbeJEVuTJ7FKpzB0pF5PsO65GLV/0 InEHw=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dQN+RQE2ZAe8 iokchI4U1uxOCRzozQ2fRJedXUrKAkPEZIdOVaYQB9j9yVKRU7dsa/Hpiw5njd09+UW xS6L10PgSRCYZm3Qfmv/lxMhl8i48f9i3LoPkD2kgRpb85mkWR3fsn+OiBSZMoBWgXK NPKOJjhFjLEsqDt5Zntp/0Lak= X-HAIL-FROM: X-HAIL-TO: X-HAIL-IP: localhost [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <48BD3ACE.1090009@bengrimm.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:08:30 +0200 From: "Ben C. O. Grimm" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080816) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD36F2.2030902@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <48BD36F2.2030902@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hail-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hail-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.398, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00) X-Hail-MailScanner-From: freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net X-MailScanner-ID: m82D8qD4094139 X-Aipotu-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Aipotu-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Aipotu-MailScanner-From: freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:23:40 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > Well, everything with a transparency, as you stated above, seems to be > broken, reading Email is a horror, most web sites are rendered broken in > Firefox 3. Luckily, within xterm everthing is ok. > I recompiled xorg and my windowmanager, no effect. Even xdm shows up > with black bars were normally 'LOGIN:' and 'PASSWORD:' shows up ... > Is there a solution? The situation is serious ... Back out of the upgrade, back to the previous version? The current _binary_ package is still the old version, so you could try to force-install that one (e.g. by using "portupgrade -fPP xf86-video-nv-2.1.11") until the port gets fixed, I guess. Haven't tried this (haven't upgraded yet), but it should revert your upgrade and get you up and running for now (but ymmv). From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 13:29:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33A5106566C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flo@kasimir.com) Received: from mail.solomo.de (mail.solomo.de [85.214.49.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED768FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:29:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flo@kasimir.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.solomo.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0563F5B1; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:29:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at vistream.de Received: from mail.solomo.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.solomo.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id e0PcohEKF4MC; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:29:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nibbler.vistream.local (relay3.vistream.de [87.139.10.28]) by mail.solomo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DC8E03F584; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:29:48 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:29:48 +0200 From: Florian Smeets User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1b1pre) Gecko/20080902031659 Shredder/3.0b1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:29:52 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. Well, > loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most fonts > now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( flz@ has committed an updated version (2.4.2) an hour ago. You could try if that fixes your problems. Cheers, Florian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 13:33:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201B3106564A for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:33:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flo@kasimir.com) Received: from mail.solomo.de (mail.solomo.de [85.214.49.72]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF87B8FC17 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:33:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flo@kasimir.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.solomo.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25EA63F5B1; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:33:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at vistream.de Received: from mail.solomo.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.solomo.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 0+m1fWTC61T8; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:33:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from nibbler.vistream.local (relay3.vistream.de [87.139.10.28]) by mail.solomo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F3C713F584; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:33:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BD40B8.2050907@kasimir.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:33:44 +0200 From: Florian Smeets User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; en-US; rv:1.9.1b1pre) Gecko/20080902031659 Shredder/3.0b1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> In-Reply-To: <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:33:48 -0000 Florian Smeets wrote: > O. Hartmann wrote: >> Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. Well, >> loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most fonts >> now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( > > flz@ has committed an updated version (2.4.2) an hour ago. You could try > if that fixes your problems. > Gah. Never mind. It was the xf86-video-intel driver which was updated. I think i need a pair of glasses :-( Sorry, Florian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 13:45:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A89B1065674 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:45:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7FA8FC1D for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1KaWBr-0000Ri-3J for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:45:03 +0000 Received: from utwig.xim.bz ([195.184.197.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:45:03 +0000 Received: from c.kworr by utwig.xim.bz with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:45:03 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Volodymyr Kostyrko Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:40:54 +0300 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD36F2.2030902@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: utwig.xim.bz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; ru-RU; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080822 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 In-Reply-To: <48BD36F2.2030902@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Sender: news Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:45:06 -0000 O. Hartmann wrote: > Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: >> O. Hartmann wrote: >>> Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. >>> Well, loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most >>> fonts now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( >> >> Same for me, just some transparent pictures render transparency as >> black, good example is reader.google.com. This also isn't new to me, >> some pictures was shown like this in previous driver versions. I was >> just a bit unsure who was bad at it. >> > > Well, everything with a transparency, as you stated above, seems to be > broken, reading Email is a horror, most web sites are rendered broken in > Firefox 3. Luckily, within xterm everthing is ok. > > I recompiled xorg and my windowmanager, no effect. Even xdm shows up > with black bars were normally 'LOGIN:' and 'PASSWORD:' shows up ... > > Is there a solution? The situation is serious ... 1. portdowngrade 2. Kick upstream, the problem isn't that new, it's just getting sharper. 3. Quick look through Xephyr at KDE4 gives me no quirks in displaying images. It maybe gtk2-only thingy, or it maybe Xephyr already fixes it somehow... dunno... -- Sphinx of black quartz judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 13:49:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7AE1065685 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:49:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E68FC1D for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 13:49:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1KaWFz-0008Mt-Bp>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:49:19 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1KaWFz-0007Vs-As>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:49:19 +0200 Message-ID: <48BD43DA.4010805@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:47:06 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Florian Smeets References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> In-Reply-To: <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:49:20 -0000 Florian Smeets wrote: > O. Hartmann wrote: >> Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. Well, >> loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most fonts >> now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( > > flz@ has committed an updated version (2.4.2) an hour ago. You could try > if that fixes your problems. > > Cheers, > Florian I guess we are already talking about this aupdate because I updated approx. 1 hour ago when the probems took place. Regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 14:19:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DEBD1065675 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C474F8FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFF87744186; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:59:24 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hW41+ggn2rjH; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:59:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [91.198.50.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72203744176; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:59:24 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <48BD46BB.9060407@icyb.net.ua> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:59:23 +0300 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080805) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "O. Hartmann" , Florian Smeets References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> <48BD43DA.4010805@zedat.fu-berlin.de> In-Reply-To: <48BD43DA.4010805@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:19:37 -0000 Question to those having this problem - what kind of nVidia hardware do you have? Is that something that is based on G80 GPU or later (GeForce 8XXX or later)? I see that there is already version 2.1.12 of nv driver (in xorg repository) that is supposed to fix CPUToScreenColorExpandFill function for G80 cards. -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 14:30:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1041065673 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17D748FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1KaWts-0005XP-Sk>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:30:32 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1KaWts-0001MV-Rl>; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:30:32 +0200 Message-ID: <48BD4D84.4030209@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:28:20 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andriy Gapon References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> <48BD43DA.4010805@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD46BB.9060407@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: <48BD46BB.9060407@icyb.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: Florian Smeets , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:30:34 -0000 Andriy Gapon wrote: > Question to those having this problem - what kind of nVidia hardware do > you have? > Is that something that is based on G80 GPU or later (GeForce 8XXX or later)? > I see that there is already version 2.1.12 of nv driver (in xorg > repository) that is supposed to fix CPUToScreenColorExpandFill function > for G80 cards. > Well, the problems I have are related to a nv8600GTS based board, this is, as far as I know, a G8X-based graphics board. Nearly 3 months ago some weird behaviour started to be static on the same hardware, Xorg wasn't capable of resetting the terminal is was bound to and presented me funny blinking block graphics on the screen. The Xorg server could oly be revived remotelly by killing the Xorg or within a running session by killing the Xorg for logging off. This problem has gone with today's update, but now my box (nv8600GTS) and the one of a collegue is rendered unusable. My private box runs with a nv6800GT board and there Xorg freezes now very often and renders the box unusable, too. I'm very unpleased about the situation, because it is impossible to do reasonable work. How can I selectively 'downgrade' a port? Regards, Oliver P.S. Sorry about some weird formatting, I'm typing blind, I see 'censor black bars' all over my screen, even in Thunderbird, Firefox ...). From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 14:55:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AD11065670 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:55:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from smtp-out2.tiscali.nl (smtp-out2.tiscali.nl [195.241.79.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9EEB8FC15 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ronald-freebsd8@klop.yi.org) Received: from [212.123.145.58] (helo=guido.klop.ws) by smtp-out2.tiscali.nl with smtp id 1KaXI8-0007XK-8l for ; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:55:36 +0200 Received: (qmail 53866 invoked from network); 2 Sep 2008 14:55:32 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO 82-170-177-25.ip.telfort.nl) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Sep 2008 14:55:32 -0000 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:55:30 +0200 To: "O. Hartmann" , "Andriy Gapon" From: "Ronald Klop" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> <48BD43DA.4010805@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD46BB.9060407@icyb.net.ua> <48BD4D84.4030209@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <48BD4D84.4030209@zedat.fu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.52 (FreeBSD) Cc: Florian Smeets , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 14:55:38 -0000 On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:28:20 +0200, O. Hartmann wrote: > Andriy Gapon wrote: >> Question to those having this problem - what kind of nVidia hardware do >> you have? >> Is that something that is based on G80 GPU or later (GeForce 8XXX or >> later)? >> I see that there is already version 2.1.12 of nv driver (in xorg >> repository) that is supposed to fix CPUToScreenColorExpandFill function >> for G80 cards. >> > > Well, > the problems I have are related to a nv8600GTS based board, this is, as > far as I know, a G8X-based graphics board. Nearly 3 months ago some > weird behaviour started to be static on the same hardware, Xorg wasn't > capable of resetting the terminal is was bound to and presented me funny > blinking block graphics on the screen. The Xorg server could oly be > revived remotelly by killing the Xorg or within a running session by > killing the Xorg for logging off. This problem has gone with today's > update, but now my box (nv8600GTS) and the one of a collegue is rendered > unusable. > My private box runs with a nv6800GT board and there Xorg freezes now > very often and renders the box unusable, too. > > I'm very unpleased about the situation, because it is impossible to do > reasonable work. > > How can I selectively 'downgrade' a port? Mmmm... # whereis portdowngrade portdowngrade: /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portdowngrade Cheers, Ronald. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 15:22:21 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6BB106568B for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8DF8FC13 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id IYY91820; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:22:20 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 954FA4500F; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 08:22:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Danny Braniss In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:39:20 +0300." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1220368940_11268P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:22:20 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20080902152220.954FA4500F@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.4.29 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ; ; ; ; ; X-Sender: X-To_Name: Danny Braniss X-To_Domain: cs.huji.ac.il X-To: Danny Braniss X-To_Email: danny@cs.huji.ac.il X-To_Alias: danny Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Jeremy Chadwick , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:22:21 -0000 --==_Exmh_1220368940_11268P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 09:39:20 +0300 > From: Danny Braniss > > take a look at: > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=117603 Danny, Thanks for the suggestion, but my system is a P-III so there is only one CPU. At 1GHz, I think that this easily qualifies as an "older, slower, non-smp host". -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1220368940_11268P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFIvVoskn3rs5h7N1ERAmNCAJsEVDucroLlZaUYHyPJOm+NvQWQawCfYY2R FBeXkAe7FzZUbBBY1TqVVys= =UXhX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1220368940_11268P-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 15:44:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F0AA1065677 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmt@burggraben.net) Received: from smtp.burggraben.net (ns.haidundneu23.net [213.133.108.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70FD8FC14 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:44:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmt@burggraben.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.burggraben.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA486800B for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:15:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Scanned: by amavisd-new at haidundneu23.net Received: from smtp.burggraben.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns.haidundneu23.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wbmYrr6l5ggy for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:15:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from storage.haidundneu23.net (p5B2DBCB6.dip.t-dialin.net [91.45.188.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "storage.haidundneu23.net", Issuer "Christoph Moench-Tegeder" (verified OK)) by smtp.burggraben.net (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:15:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elch.haidundneu23.net (elch.haidundneu23.net [10.0.42.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "elch.haidundneu23.net", Issuer "Christoph Moench-Tegeder" (verified OK)) by storage.haidundneu23.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3B91819B6 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elch.haidundneu23.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8509856420; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:14:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:14:56 +0200 From: Christoph Moench-Tegeder To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080902151456.GA1593@elch.haidundneu23.net> References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: RSA/2048 0xB816EBBD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 89 2E 6D 05 95 B8 D7 1F 7C 1D C3 1E 95 A0 9B 5D X-GPG: supported User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 15:44:31 -0000 ## Volodymyr Kostyrko (c.kworr@gmail.com): > > Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. Well, > > loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most fonts > > now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( > Same for me, just some transparent pictures render transparency as > black, good example is reader.google.com. This also isn't new to me, > some pictures was shown like this in previous driver versions. I was > just a bit unsure who was bad at it. Seems you've got an issue between X and firefox3; at least there's a note in the firefox3 release notes which desribes similar effects: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411831 Oh, but by the way, it's not an nvidia/nv issue; I've got the exactly same issues with radeonhd... Luckily, I do not depend that much on web browsers, let alone firefox3. Regards, Christoph -- Spare Space From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 16:47:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3EB41065674 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:47:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6A18FC22 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:47:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m82Gl2sp034929; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:47:02 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:47:02 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20080902204047.K27579@woozle.rinet.ru> X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 6B691B03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (woozle.rinet.ru [0.0.0.0]); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:47:02 +0400 (MSD) Cc: marcel@FreeBSD.org Subject: RELENG_7/amd64: booting from gpt failed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:47:04 -0000 Dear colleagues, I'm trying to set up new machine with RAID array slightly larger than 2T, so I'm forced to use gpt. I did successfully gpt create gpt boot gpt add newfs tar base system gpt show output looks like: start size index contents 0 1 PMBR 1 1 Pri GPT header 2 32 Pri GPT table 34 128 1 GPT part - FreeBSD boot 162 1048576 2 GPT part - FreeBSD UFS/UFS2 1048738 33554432 3 GPT part - FreeBSD swap 34603170 4359862077 4 GPT part - FreeBSD ZFS 4394465247 32 Sec GPT table 4394465279 1 Sec GPT header and I hope it boots from da0p2, but it fails: /boot.config: -Dh -S115200 FreeBSD/i386 boot Default: 0:ad(0p2)/boot/loader boot: Consoles: internal video/keyboard serial port BIOS drive C: is disk0 BIOS 628kB/3405248kB available memory FreeBSD/i386 bootstrap loader, Revision 1.1 (marck@shrew.rinet.ru, Wed Feb 20 17:29:26 MSK 2008) can't load 'kernel' Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. OK ls bad path '' OK show loaddev disk0s2`: OK show currdev disk0s2`: Quick googling does not help much. Any hints? Thanks in advance. Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] [ FreeBSD committer: marck@FreeBSD.org ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 17:49:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54915106567B for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:49:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (mail.1command.com [75.160.109.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB8F8FC08 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 17:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (localhost.1command.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m82HnhQK090102 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m82HnhLU090101 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 10:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from hitme.hitometer.net (hitme.hitometer.net [75.160.109.235]) by webmail.1command.com (H.R. Communications Messaging System) with HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:49:43 -0700 Message-ID: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 10:49:43 -0700 From: chris#@1command.com To: "[FBSDS]" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: H.R. Communications Internet Messaging System (HCIMS) 4.1 Professional (not for redistribution) / FreeBSD-5.5 Subject: Is it safe to delete /bin/[ && /usr/bin/false? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:49:52 -0000 Greetings, Well, I en devoured to install a copy of 7 as an effort to upgrade one of our servers. After installing a few ports, I began to notice: [: -le: argument expected messages being emitted during the configure/make process. I've already invested a fair amount of time on this upgrade, and /really/ don't want to wipe the disk(s) and start all over. This issue is not new to me - see thread:[: -le: argument expected for details. But I have /yet/ to discover a solution. When I started the upgrade (install), I had an /etc/make.conf. Thinking that this might be the culprit when these messages starting to appear, I looked it over for possible typos. The only possible issue I could see was the reference to databases/mysql: .if ${.CURDIR:M*/databases/mysql*} WITH_OPENSSL=yes WITH_CHARSET=latin1 WITH_XCHARSET=complex WITH_COLLATION=latin1_general_ci WITH_PROC_SCOPE_PTH=yes BUILD_OPTIMIZED=yes WITH_ARCHIVE=yes WITH_CSV=yes .endif NOTE the YES | NO, as opposed to TRUE | FALSE. I changed them to true v false. But I have already built MySQL with the YES | NO. Could this be the issue? Source(s) cvsupped 08-09-01 Thank you for all your time and consideration. --Chris From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 18:24:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BB5106564A for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com (hayek.celestial.com [192.136.111.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6338FC1C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:24:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bill@ayn.mi.celestial.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD2D68D2B456; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:04:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mi.celestial.com Received: from ayn.mi.celestial.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ayn.mi.celestial.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id o3Aii+kEBJZ6; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ayn.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id CD5DF686148BD; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:04:42 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080902180442.GA20336@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 OpenPKG/% (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: Is it safe to delete /bin/[ && /usr/bin/false? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:24:04 -0000 No it isn't safe to delete these as many, many scripts depend on them. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 One man's brain plus one other will produce one half as many ideas as one man would have produced alone. These two plus two more will produce half again as many ideas. These four plus four more begin to represent a creative meeting, and the ratio changes to one quarter as many ... -- Anthony Chevins From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 18:44:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB8C41065676 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (mail.1command.com [75.160.109.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F0E38FC0A for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 18:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (localhost.1command.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m82IiScU095548 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m82IiS2J095547 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:44:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from hitme.hitometer.net (hitme.hitometer.net [75.160.109.235]) by webmail.1command.com (H.R. Communications Messaging System) with HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:44:28 -0700 Message-ID: <20080902114428.5njcob6fhckk4kgk@webmail.1command.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 11:44:28 -0700 From: chris#@1command.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> <20080902180442.GA20336@ayn.mi.celestial.com> In-Reply-To: <20080902180442.GA20336@ayn.mi.celestial.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: H.R. Communications Internet Messaging System (HCIMS) 4.1 Professional (not for redistribution) / FreeBSD-5.5 Subject: Re: Is it safe to delete /bin/[ && /usr/bin/false? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:44:37 -0000 Quoting Bill Campbell : > No it isn't safe to delete these as many, many scripts depend on them. LOL yes, I knew that :) My chosen title for the thread is more a reflection of my frustration with this problem. I'm hoping that a solution is possible. Because /bin/[ & /usr/bin/false are used to evaluate conditionals. It is /quite/ necessary for me to resolve /why/ this keeps happening. As nothing (many||most) things will not work as intended - if at all until the problem is found & fixed. Thank you for taking the time to respond. --Chris > > Bill > -- > INTERNET: bill@celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC > URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way > Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 > Fax: (206) 232-9186 > > One man's brain plus one other will produce one half as many ideas as one > man would have produced alone. These two plus two more will produce half > again as many ideas. These four plus four more begin to represent a > creative meeting, and the ratio changes to one quarter as many ... > -- Anthony Chevins > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 19:07:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CFE10656C4 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) Received: from spork.qfe3.net (spork.qfe3.net [212.13.207.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD61D8FC26 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:07:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tom.hurst@clara.net) Received: from [81.104.123.28] (helo=voi.aagh.net) by spork.qfe3.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KabDe-0005Wc-SP; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:07:14 +0100 Received: from freaky by voi.aagh.net with local (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KabDe-0009tN-Ge; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:07:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:07:14 +0100 From: Thomas Hurst To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20080902190714.GA34895@voi.aagh.net> Mail-Followup-To: Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org References: <20080810175934.X2427@borg> <20080811065822.GA81972@voi.aagh.net> <20080811130555.GA25024@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080811130555.GA25024@eos.sc1.parodius.com> Organization: Not much. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Sender: Thomas Hurst Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ICRC's X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:07:17 -0000 * Jeremy Chadwick (koitsu@FreeBSD.org) wrote: > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 07:58:22AM +0100, Thomas Hurst wrote: > > * Larry Rosenman (ler@lerctr.org) wrote: > > > ad8: WARNING - READ_DMA UDMA ICRC error (retrying request) LBA=154593293 > > > > > > NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM > > > ad8 ONLINE 0 0 17 > > Having just experienced NTFS corruption in Windows thanks to a > > slightly kinked SATA cable (hint: *never* chkdsk/fsck/etc until > > you're sure the cables are fine), I would *love* to know why this > > causes a checksum error at ZFS level rather than a read error that > > any filesystem (or indeed RAID layer) will notice. > > The ad8 errors you're quoting come from the ATA subsystem in FreeBSD. > That is lower-level (e.g. closer to the hardware) than ZFS's checksum > method is. Yes, but ZFS is clearly still seeing corrupt data from its reads because the CKSUM counter's going up, not READ, which would indicate it's reads were actually failing at ATA level. > If Larry was using UFS, he'd also see the above errors from the > kernel. FreeBSD reports the CRC errors reported by the ATA device, > ZFS reports the said data as corrupted during scrubbing or standard > usage (hence the CKSUM field in 'zpool status'), ZFS should only see corruption that's undetected by ATA's CRC's though (or the disk's own error correction); if it's actually causing a CRC error at protocol level, ZFS should not see it, because that IO operation failed. > and ZFS also *repairs* the corrupted data. I can't explain how the > repair works, It repairs by having duplicate copies of data and metadata; in the case of vital metadata it stores "ditto-blocks" so there are always multiple copies of it about, similar to UFS's superblock being spread all over the disk. For most data you generally want some level of ZFS RAID, but I'm pretty sure you can make it store multiple copies on the same disk (zfs set copies=2 on a 1-disk ZFS, for example). In the event of IO errors, I believe some Linux software RAID levels can perform similar recovery; rewriting the erroring blocks from another device to force the disk to rewrite the broken block. > I believe journalling filesystems (e.g. ext3fs and gjournal) have > this ability, while Standard UFS, UFS2, NTFS, FAT, and many others do > not. No, journalling has nothing to do with this kind of self-healing; a journal allows a filesystem to be made consistent when interrupted (i.e. by a crash or power failure) with a very small number of operations because it has a log of what has or was about to happen. Journalling filesystems are just as vulnerable to corruption as non-journalling ones. NTFS is journalling, BTW. > > What's the point in having the connection protected by a CRC if it's > > just going to let bogus data through anyway? > > A CRC (or checksum) acts as a method of differential detection, e.g. > detect corruption between X and Y. CRCs are not the same thing as error > correction or retransmittal; they only result in reporting data > corruption, and cannot repair it. Yes, I know what CRC's are; my point is, a CRC error should mean the corrupt data doesn't make it to the higher layers; ZFS, UFS, gmirror, whatever, should get an IO error if the data can't be retrieved after retries fail, they shouldn't get an apparently successful read with corrupt data in it. Perhaps this is the case, and (S)ATA's CRC's are just so poor a couple of retries is enough to get corrupt data which happens to have a correct CRC. -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst http://hur.st/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 19:09:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AA71065676 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:09:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1B88FC27 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:09:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-215-175.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.215.175]) by mail17.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m82J9K62017218 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:09:21 +1000 X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m82J9KvG011907; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:09:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m82J9KWZ011906; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:09:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 05:09:19 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: chris#@1command.com Message-ID: <20080902190919.GE86609@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cN0A5YokcrYPGsSB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: "\[FBSDS\]" Subject: Re: Is it safe to delete /bin/[ && /usr/bin/false? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:09:37 -0000 --cN0A5YokcrYPGsSB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-Sep-02 10:49:43 -0700, chris#@1command.com wrote: >Well, I en devoured to install a copy of 7 as an effort to upgrade >one of our servers. After installing a few ports, I began to notice: >[: -le: argument expected messages being emitted during the configure/make >process. This probably indicates badly written configure scripts that have things like "[ 23 -le $x ]" but don't set $x. The solution is to write patches for the configure scripts and feed them back upstream. > I've already invested a fair amount of time on this upgrade, >and /really/ don't want to wipe the disk(s) and start all over. I'm not sure how this will help. > This >issue is not new to me - see thread:[: -le: argument expected for details. You haven't mentioned where this thread exists - definitely not here. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --cN0A5YokcrYPGsSB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki9j18ACgkQ/opHv/APuIeamwCdHJYgG1y9bigVrR98WnccmAll 8SIAn3n7FX0GPoo7nDLiY2EGE9m6U0PR =qFhL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cN0A5YokcrYPGsSB-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 19:26:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23C01065679 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:26:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (mail.1command.com [75.160.109.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938288FC1C for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 19:26:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from mail.1command.com (localhost.1command.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id m82JPqnd099623 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:25:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by mail.1command.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id m82JPqqJ099622 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:25:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris#@1command.com) Received: from hitme.hitometer.net (hitme.hitometer.net [75.160.109.235]) by webmail.1command.com (H.R. Communications Messaging System) with HTTP; Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:25:51 -0700 Message-ID: <20080902122551.jfly404kcg00o40w@webmail.1command.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:25:51 -0700 From: chris#@1command.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> <20080902190919.GE86609@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20080902190919.GE86609@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: H.R. Communications Internet Messaging System (HCIMS) 4.1 Professional (not for redistribution) / FreeBSD-5.5 Subject: Re: Is it safe to delete /bin/[ && /usr/bin/false? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 19:26:45 -0000 Hello, and thank you for your reply. Quoting Peter Jeremy : > On 2008-Sep-02 10:49:43 -0700, chris#@1command.com wrote: >> Well, I en devoured to install a copy of 7 as an effort to upgrade >> one of our servers. After installing a few ports, I began to notice: >> [: -le: argument expected messages being emitted during the configure/make >> process. > > This probably indicates badly written configure scripts that have > things like "[ 23 -le $x ]" but don't set $x. The solution is to > write patches for the configure scripts and feed them back upstream. Bummer. > >> I've already invested a fair amount of time on this upgrade, >> and /really/ don't want to wipe the disk(s) and start all over. > > I'm not sure how this will help. Good. Perhaps you (or anyone) can suggest how I might debug /when/where/ these eval are called. I could use /usr/bin/script, but not sure how to (e)grep the culprit(s). > >> This >> issue is not new to me - see thread:[: -le: argument expected for details. > > You haven't mentioned where this thread exists - definitely not here. Ahem... Quoting Jeremy Chadwick : On Fri, Feb 01, 2008 at 10:18:14AM -0800, Chris H. wrote: I wanted to sync up my ports database before hand. So ran a portsdb -uU. ---8<---[huge snip]---8<--- Hello again Jeremy, Well, after carefully examining your reply; emptying /etc/make.conf; searching for any sign of another Apache APR, and finding none.; performing a cvsup -g -L 2 ports-supfile && portsdb -uU && pkgdb -F; which resulted in many [: -le: argument expected's, and [: -eq: argument expected's; I performed a: cd /usr/ports/lang/php5 && make extract; Yep! You guessed it, [: -le: argument expected again! Well, what was expected to be a 3 day affair, has turned into a 2 week affair. At least that's been my past experience with installing a FreeBSD server (3 days). :) Anyway, I've run out of patience (and time) debugging this issue. So I think it would be more expedient to wipe the disk and start anew. :) If I should run into this again on the new install. I guess a send-pr would be in order. Oh, and expect /alot/ of noise in the list. :) Thank you again for your continued (and valued) input. Best wishes. --Chris H [Hide Quoted Text] -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I didn't mean to sound argumentative but the above was my last posting to the thread: [: -le: argument expected in freebsd-stable on Feb 2008. :) Thanks again for taking the time to respond. --Chris > > -- > Peter Jeremy > Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement > an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 2 20:09:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3391065722 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (bigknife-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f10:75::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F718FC19 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 20:09:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost.corp.yahoo.com (john@localhost [IPv6:::1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m82K92uN017934; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:09:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:33:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <004701c90998$c9d70240$5d8506c0$@com> <200808291124.10275.jhb@freebsd.org> <002c01c90ab8$e8063170$b8129450$@com> In-Reply-To: <002c01c90ab8$e8063170$b8129450$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200809021533.57430.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [IPv6:::1]); Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:09:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.1/8141/Tue Sep 2 11:52:21 2008 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.2 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Jonathan Bond-Caron Subject: Re: IPMI and Dell ERA/O X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:09:09 -0000 On Saturday 30 August 2008 11:56:01 am Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote: > On Fri Aug 29 11:24 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > If your BIOS doesn't tell us about the IPMI BMC via ACPI or SMBIOS, > > you can try using hints (I've seen machines thave a BMC, but the BIOS > > doesn't bother to tell you about it). Dell boxes I've seen have KCS > > at the default address, so you can just do: > > > > hint.ipmi.0.at=isa0 > > hint.ipmi.0.mode=KCS > > > > Either add that to /boot/device.hints or for a test just explicitly > > set those variables at the loader prompt before booting. > > > > Thanks, that works! > > Although I don't really understand why? After some digging, I found this: > (man 4 ipmi) > BUGS > Not all features of the MontaVista driver are supported. > Currently, IPMB and BT modes are not implemented. > > > But the interface for the Dell 1750 with ERA/O seems to be BT. Luckily it > works enough for me with KCS (hint.ipmi.0.mode=KCS) > http://linux.dell.com/ipmi.shtml Not the same BT. BT is a different transport for the host OS to talk to the BMC that allows for a more asynchronous model. I've not seen any hardware that supports BT yet. > I'm saying 'works enough' because some readings show as 'disabled', I'm not > sure if that's because the interface is not BT or the supported IPMI version > is 1.0 (on the BMC): > > [root@home /home/jbondc]# ipmitool -I open sdr > CPU 1 | disabled | ns > CPU 2 | disabled | ns > CPU 3 | disabled | ns > CPU 4 | disabled | ns > CPU Planar | 35 degrees C | ok > Ambient | 27 degrees C | ok > CPU | 1.48 Volts | ok > CPU 2 | disabled | ns > CPU 3 | disabled | ns > CPU 4 | disabled | ns > +5 | 5.05 Volts | ok > +12 | 11.97 Volts | ok > +3.3 | 3.29 Volts | ok > Battery | 3.06 Volts | ok > +2.5 | 2.55 Volts | ok > NIC +2.5 | disabled | ns > NIC +1.8 | disabled | ns > MemCard A +2.5 | disabled | ns > MemCard B +2.5 | disabled | ns > MemCard A +1.25 | disabled | ns > MemCard B +1.25 | disabled | ns > Cover Intrusion | 0x00 | ok > Fan Control | 0x17 | ok > Fan 1 | 6240 RPM | ok > Fan 2 | 6120 RPM | ok > ... This is a property of your BMC. The fact that you can talk to it at all means communication with the BMC is working, and that is all the ipmi(4) driver provides (communication with the BMC). -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 04:08:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8C41065674 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 04:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) Received: from goat.gigo.com (ipv6.gigo.com [IPv6:2001:470:1:18::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF4A48FC15 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 04:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) Received: from goat.gigo.com (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1:18::114]) by goat.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CAED114C6 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2008 21:08:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Fesler To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: IPV6_V6ONLY and UDP X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:08:15 -0000 I see in the release notes for 7.0; and seperately CURRENT on alpha; that IPV6_V6ONLY is now fully supported for UDP. Can someone point me to code/text that explains what exactly was broken about it? In what case(s) udp sockets set with IPV6_V6ONLY accepted V4 packets? Thanks in advance.. -- Jason Fesler, email/jabber resume: http://jfesler.com "Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 06:06:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C44D1065673 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FEF8FC1D for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:06:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1KalW0-00061W-3L>; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:06:52 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1KalW0-0006x1-2N>; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:06:52 +0200 Message-ID: <48BE28F7.7030500@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:04:39 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Moench-Tegeder References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080902151456.GA1593@elch.haidundneu23.net> In-Reply-To: <20080902151456.GA1593@elch.haidundneu23.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:06:53 -0000 Christoph Moench-Tegeder wrote: > ## Volodymyr Kostyrko (c.kworr@gmail.com): > >>> Just upgraded my ports and installed the new xf86-video-nv driver. Well, >>> loggin out works now without crashing the Xorg server, but most fonts >>> now show up as balck bars - unreadable and ugly :-( >> Same for me, just some transparent pictures render transparency as >> black, good example is reader.google.com. This also isn't new to me, >> some pictures was shown like this in previous driver versions. I was >> just a bit unsure who was bad at it. > > Seems you've got an issue between X and firefox3; at least there's > a note in the firefox3 release notes which desribes similar effects: > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411831 > Oh, but by the way, it's not an nvidia/nv issue; I've got the exactly > same issues with radeonhd... Luckily, I do not depend that much on > web browsers, let alone firefox3. > > Regards, > Christoph > The issue of X with firefox is well known and be aured I'm aware of that. This issue I complained about is with nearly every client I use under X - and that includes Firefox. This 'issue' renders a bunch of FreeBSD boxes around here unusable, only those with non-G80 derived graphics boards seem to be not infected by the problem, but every box with FreeBSD (mostly 7.0/7.1). By the way, the Linux boxes, especially the Gentoo-boxes, with also the open source nv-driver DO NOT SHOW this problem. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 06:37:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121151065683 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmt@burggraben.net) Received: from smtp.burggraben.net (ns.haidundneu23.net [213.133.108.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4748FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 06:37:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmt@burggraben.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.burggraben.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B0768178; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:37:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Scanned: by amavisd-new at haidundneu23.net Received: from smtp.burggraben.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns.haidundneu23.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qVpLsi7B4GVO; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from reindeer.haidundneu23.net (vpn.astaro.de [213.144.15.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "reindeer.haidundneu23.net", Issuer "Christoph Moench-Tegeder" (verified OK)) by smtp.burggraben.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:37:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: by reindeer.haidundneu23.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5A3A511433; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:37:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:37:53 +0200 From: Christoph Moench-Tegeder To: "O. Hartmann" Message-ID: <20080903063753.GA2120@reindeer.haidundneu23.net> References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080902151456.GA1593@elch.haidundneu23.net> <48BE28F7.7030500@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48BE28F7.7030500@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-PGP-Key: RSA/2048 0xB816EBBD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 89 2E 6D 05 95 B8 D7 1F 7C 1D C3 1E 95 A0 9B 5D X-GPG: supported User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 06:37:57 -0000 ## O. Hartmann (ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de): > > Seems you've got an issue between X and firefox3; at least there's > > a note in the firefox3 release notes which desribes similar effects: > > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411831 > > Oh, but by the way, it's not an nvidia/nv issue; I've got the exactly > > same issues with radeonhd... Luckily, I do not depend that much on > > web browsers, let alone firefox3. > The issue of X with firefox is well known and be aured I'm aware of > that. This issue I complained about is with nearly every client I use > under X - and that includes Firefox. This 'issue' renders a bunch of > FreeBSD boxes around here unusable, only those with non-G80 derived > graphics boards seem to be not infected by the problem, but every box > with FreeBSD (mostly 7.0/7.1). Ah, that explains why I'm having only the usual firefox issue, obviously my laptop's "Quadro NVS 140M" is not a G80-derived chip (nautilus, gimp, gnumeric do wirk fine without black bars). The first mails read as if all nvidia boards were affected. Regards, Christoph -- Spare Space From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 07:13:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D6A1065686 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCA08FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 07:13:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1KamYL-0006lm-3j>; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:13:21 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1KamYL-0001se-2l>; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:13:21 +0200 Message-ID: <48BE388C.7050706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:11:08 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Moench-Tegeder References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080902151456.GA1593@elch.haidundneu23.net> <48BE28F7.7030500@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080903063753.GA2120@reindeer.haidundneu23.net> In-Reply-To: <20080903063753.GA2120@reindeer.haidundneu23.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 07:13:22 -0000 Christoph Moench-Tegeder wrote: > ## O. Hartmann (ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de): > >>> Seems you've got an issue between X and firefox3; at least there's >>> a note in the firefox3 release notes which desribes similar effects: >>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=411831 >>> Oh, but by the way, it's not an nvidia/nv issue; I've got the exactly >>> same issues with radeonhd... Luckily, I do not depend that much on >>> web browsers, let alone firefox3. >> The issue of X with firefox is well known and be aured I'm aware of >> that. This issue I complained about is with nearly every client I use >> under X - and that includes Firefox. This 'issue' renders a bunch of >> FreeBSD boxes around here unusable, only those with non-G80 derived >> graphics boards seem to be not infected by the problem, but every box >> with FreeBSD (mostly 7.0/7.1). > > Ah, that explains why I'm having only the usual firefox issue, > obviously my laptop's "Quadro NVS 140M" is not a G80-derived > chip (nautilus, gimp, gnumeric do wirk fine without black bars). > The first mails read as if all nvidia boards were affected. > > Regards, > Christoph > My box at home has an older NV6800GT and I do not have this special issue, but instead I do have another well known issue of box-freezing. This also happens with 'nv'. Since FreeBSD 7.0 this freezing occurs more frequent than in FBSD 6, but in the meanwhile thenv-driver changed several times. It is a horror :-( Regards, Oliver From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 08:07:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA961065670 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:07:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [91.103.162.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F3E8FC26 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:07:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from localhost (localhost.codelab.cz [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29DA19E02A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:07:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (r5bb235.net.upc.cz [86.49.61.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FEDC19E027 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:07:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BE45F1.4020409@quip.cz> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:08:17 +0200 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: cz, cs, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: external HDD disconnects - umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR (FreeBSD 6.3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 08:07:52 -0000 Hi, I tried to use 1TB HDD (SAMSUNG HD103UJ) in external enclosure connected by USB 2.0 to my old machine with FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC i386. It connects OK, I can read & write to disk (shown as /dev/da1). But my dd command test failed after 50 minutes: root@amanda ~/# dd if=/dev/da1 of=/dev/da1 bs=1m dd: /dev/da1: Invalid argument 20435+0 records in 20435+0 records out 21427650560 bytes transferred in 2963.876996 secs (7229602 bytes/sec) Usr: 0.092s Krnl: 10.689s Totl: 49:23.87s CPU: 0.3% swppd: 0 I/O: 0+0 relevant part of /var/log/messages Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: umass1: Sunplus Technology Co.,Ltd. USB to Serial-ATA bridge, rev 2.00/1.12, addr 3 Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1 at umass-sim1 bus 1 target 0 lun 0 Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1: 40.000MB/s transfers Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 121601C) Sep 2 20:06:46 amanda login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Sep 2 20:07:29 amanda ntpd[845]: kernel time sync enabled 6001 Sep 2 20:24:32 amanda ntpd[845]: kernel time sync enabled 2001 Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, IOERROR Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, IOERROR Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, IOERROR Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, IOERROR Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: at uhub2 port 1 (addr 3) disconnected Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: (da1:umass-sim1:1:0:0): lost device Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: (da1:dead_sim0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache failed, status == 0x8, scsi status == 0x0 Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: (da1:dead_sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: detached I have another disk (500GB) with different enclosure connected to another USB port as /dev/da0 without any problem for more than 3 month and using it for nightly rsync backups. I tried to reattache it again without reboot, without success. root@amanda ~/# camcontrol rescan all Re-scan of bus 0 was successful Re-scan of bus 1 was successful root@amanda ~/# camcontrol devlist -v scbus0 on umass-sim0 bus 0: at scbus0 target 0 lun 0 (pass0,da0) scbus1 on sbp0 bus 0: < > at scbus1 target -1 lun -1 () scbus-1 on xpt0 bus 0: < > at scbus-1 target -1 lun -1 (xpt0) root@amanda ~/# camcontrol reset 1 Reset of bus 1 returned error 0x6 Does anybody know what causes this problem? Miroslav Lachman root@amanda ~/# pciconf -l -v agp0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x80ac1043 chip=0x01e010de rev=0xc1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce2 AGP Controller' class = bridge subclass = HOST-PCI none0@pci0:0:1: class=0x050000 card=0x80ac1043 chip=0x01eb10de rev=0xc1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce2 Memory Controller 1' class = memory subclass = RAM none1@pci0:0:2: class=0x050000 card=0x80ac1043 chip=0x01ee10de rev=0xc1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce2 Memory Controller 4' class = memory subclass = RAM none2@pci0:0:3: class=0x050000 card=0x80ac1043 chip=0x01ed10de rev=0xc1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce2 Memory Controller 3' class = memory subclass = RAM none3@pci0:0:4: class=0x050000 card=0x80ac1043 chip=0x01ec10de rev=0xc1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce2 Memory Controller 2' class = memory subclass = RAM none4@pci0:0:5: class=0x050000 card=0x80ac1043 chip=0x01ef10de rev=0xc1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce2 Memory Controller 5' class = memory subclass = RAM isab0@pci0:1:0: class=0x060100 card=0x80ad1043 chip=0x006010de rev=0xa4 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP2 ISA Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-ISA none5@pci0:1:1: class=0x0c0500 card=0x0c111043 chip=0x006410de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP-T SMBus Controller' class = serial bus subclass = SMBus ohci0@pci0:2:0: class=0x0c0310 card=0x0c111043 chip=0x006710de rev=0xa4 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP2 OpenHCI USB Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ohci1@pci0:2:1: class=0x0c0310 card=0x0c111043 chip=0x006710de rev=0xa4 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP2 OpenHCI USB Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB ehci0@pci0:2:2: class=0x0c0320 card=0x0c111043 chip=0x006810de rev=0xa4 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP2 EHCI USB 2.0 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = USB nve0@pci0:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x80a71043 chip=0x006610de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP-T Ethernet Adapter Chip 10/100/HD/FD-Autosense' class = network subclass = ethernet none6@pci0:5:0: class=0x040100 card=0x0c111043 chip=0x006b10de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP-T? Audio Processing Unit (Dolby Digital)' class = multimedia subclass = audio none7@pci0:6:0: class=0x040100 card=0x80951043 chip=0x006a10de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP-T Audio Codec Interface' class = multimedia subclass = audio pcib1@pci0:8:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x006c10de rev=0xa3 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP-T CPU to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI atapci1@pci0:9:0: class=0x01018a card=0x0c111043 chip=0x006510de rev=0xa2 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP2 EIDE Controller' class = mass storage subclass = ATA fwohci0@pci0:13:0: class=0x0c0010 card=0x809a1043 chip=0x006e10de rev=0xa3 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce MCP2 OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Controller' class = serial bus subclass = FireWire pcib2@pci0:30:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000000 chip=0x01e810de rev=0xc1 hdr=0x01 vendor = 'Nvidia Corp' device = 'nForce2 AGP Host to PCI Bridge' class = bridge subclass = PCI-PCI skc0@pci1:4:0: class=0x020000 card=0x811a1043 chip=0x432011ab rev=0x13 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Marvell Semiconductor (Was: Galileo Technology Ltd)' device = 'Yukon 88E8001/8003/8010 PCI Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)' class = network subclass = ethernet none8@pci1:9:0: class=0x030000 card=0x8a015333 chip=0x8a015333 rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'S3 Graphics Co., Ltd' device = '86C375 ViRGE/DX, 86C385 ViRGE/GX' class = display subclass = VGA atapci0@pci1:11:0: class=0x010400 card=0x61121095 chip=0x31121095 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Silicon Image Inc (Was: CMD Technology Inc)' device = 'SiI 3112 SATALink/SATARaid Controller' class = mass storage subclass = RAID dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 #0: Wed Feb 13 02:40:56 UTC 2008 root@i386-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC mptable_probe: Unable to map end of MP Config Table ACPI APIC Table: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1800+ (1531.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x681 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383fbff AMD Features=0xc0400800 real memory = 536805376 (511 MB) avail memory = 515878912 (491 MB) ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Feb 13 2008 02:40:39) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x4008-0x400b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 Correcting nForce2 C1 CPU disconnect hangs agp0: mem 0xe0000000-0xe3ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 pci0: at device 0.1 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 0.2 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 0.3 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 0.4 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 0.5 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) ohci0: mem 0xed081000-0xed081fff irq 20 at device 2.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: nVidia OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ohci1: mem 0xed084000-0xed084fff irq 21 at device 2.1 on pci0 ohci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb1: SMM does not respond, resetting usb1: on ohci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: nVidia OHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xed085000-0xed0850ff irq 22 at device 2.2 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb2: EHCI version 1.0 usb2: companion controllers, 4 ports each: usb0 usb1 usb2: on ehci0 usb2: USB revision 2.0 uhub2: nVidia EHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub2: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered umass0: JMicron JM20336 SATA, USB Combo, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2 nve0: port 0xe400-0xe407 mem 0xed080000-0xed080fff irq 20 at device 4.0 on pci0 nve0: Ethernet address 00:0e:a6:2b:e5:3d miibus0: on nve0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto nve0: Ethernet address: 00:0e:a6:2b:e5:3d pci0: at device 5.0 (no driver attached) pci0: at device 6.0 (no driver attached) pcib1: at device 8.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 skc0: port 0xa000-0xa0ff mem 0xe9000000-0xe9003fff irq 17 at device 4.0 on pci1 skc0: Marvell Yukon Lite Gigabit Ethernet rev. A3(0x7) sk0: on skc0 sk0: Ethernet address: 00:0e:a6:2b:d9:82 miibus1: on sk0 e1000phy0: on miibus1 e1000phy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX-FDX, auto pci1: at device 9.0 (no driver attached) atapci0: port 0xa400-0xa407,0xa800-0xa803,0xac00-0xac07,0xb000-0xb003,0xb400-0xb40f mem 0xe9004000-0xe90041ff irq 18 at device 11.0 on pci1 ata2: on atapci0 ata3: on atapci0 atapci1: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xf000-0xf00f at device 9.0 on pci0 ata0: on atapci1 ata1: on atapci1 fwohci0: <1394 Open Host Controller Interface> mem 0xed086000-0xed0867ff,0xed087000-0xed08703f irq 20 at device 13.0 on pci0 fwohci0: OHCI version 1.10 (ROM=0) fwohci0: No. of Isochronous channels is 4. fwohci0: EUI64 00:e0:18:00:00:4f:c4:90 fwohci0: Phy 1394a available S400, 2 ports. fwohci0: Link S400, max_rec 2048 bytes. firewire0: on fwohci0 fwe0: on firewire0 if_fwe0: Fake Ethernet address: 02:e0:18:4f:c4:90 fwe0: Ethernet address: 02:e0:18:4f:c4:90 fwe0: if_start running deferred for Giant sbp0: on firewire0 fwohci0: Initiate bus reset fwohci0: BUS reset fwohci0: node_id=0xc800ffc0, gen=1, CYCLEMASTER mode firewire0: 1 nodes, maxhop <= 0, cable IRM = 0 (me) firewire0: bus manager 0 (me) pcib2: at device 30.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib2 fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77b irq 7 drq 3 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/16 bytes threshold ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xcbfff,0xcc000-0xcd7ff,0xce000-0xcefff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 1531026903 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hptrr: no controller detected. acd0: CDRW at ata0-master PIO4 ad2: 152627MB at ata1-master UDMA100 da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers da0: 476940MB (976773168 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 60801C) Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad2s1a sk0: link state changed to UP From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 09:14:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A9A1065671; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163CA8FC15; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 09:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1KaoRk-000O55-1S; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:14:40 +0300 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: "Kevin Oberman" In-reply-to: <20080902152220.954FA4500F@ptavv.es.net> References: <20080902152220.954FA4500F@ptavv.es.net> Comments: In-reply-to "Kevin Oberman" message dated "Tue, 02 Sep 2008 08:22:20 -0700." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:14:39 +0300 From: Danny Braniss Message-ID: Cc: Derek =?iso-8859-1?B?S3VsacU/c2tp?= , Jeremy Chadwick , Michael , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bin/121684: : dump(8) frequently hangs X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:14:44 -0000 > Danny, > > Thanks for the suggestion, but my system is a P-III so there is only one > CPU. At 1GHz, I think that this easily qualifies as an "older, slower, > non-smp host". I just tried it on a GEODE/7.0 stable - slower than a P-III :-), and dump went smoothly so, to help isolate the problem, if it still happens to you, let me know what os/version - I can probably find a P-III around here. danny From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 10:15:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC3F1065F8F; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128C68FC14; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:15:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from localhost (is1.park.rambler.ru [81.19.64.121]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8535CA0; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:55:55 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:53:52 +0400 From: Igor Sysoev To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: Tor Egge Subject: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:15:33 -0000 Hi, could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? -- Igor Sysoev http://sysoev.ru/en/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 11:02:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946DF1065674 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sjt.kar@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4859D8FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:02:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sjt.kar@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1516523yxb.13 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:02:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZOLfQvUOrK+ySx4ctbrBcTWzofkF9NiFnEkZPmjhir8=; b=mYjuiX1VOPoDyRa7UfYwCHDgkmGMNtuXV38U1kdmMOraS0odEo/HbmEVy6z6oCWCMr 8atCBKhyNmYDaP3sbb3445nmDOTXdt/QRfgKZl+F+E5jPmfCEBYEM1ukHHaJsS/8sJaO b+uPe/eCsNjNDkvgt6RHU3aIT6E4eiLMS7GQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iUmO7U6Ev9GBr3W9sj2+xWqyUASJWwF/eVcO7GM6/wQDFauJa9RxC7hqpRBG2jUoHD vAwhj+QYkEa3zVz+olPfHNgnQkLpjb6ZgpM6P/S5drWDlqq3UzdVMHrUfyFIqlo3Sfzc mLlS045d/Re/dv8mKDpAAIUW1w/EXJPz3AMGg= Received: by 10.150.50.1 with SMTP id x1mr7048957ybx.63.1220438039312; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 03:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.78.4 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 03:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <921ca19c0809030333u6accf415l80ec5bfb4a984ce1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:03:59 +0530 From: "Sujit Karataparambil" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:03:00 -0000 The VFS was designed to be Object abtraction of the Berkeley Fast File System. This has been since an terminology with journalling filesystem to have functionality to added on request. Thanks, Sujit On 9/3/08, Igor Sysoev wrote: > Hi, > > could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? > > > -- > Igor Sysoev > http://sysoev.ru/en/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- --linux(2.4/2.6),bsd(4.5.x+),solaris(2.5+) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 11:27:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F4131106564A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C588FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from localhost (is1.park.rambler.ru [81.19.64.121]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9204A5EBC; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:27:14 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:25:12 +0400 From: Igor Sysoev To: Sujit Karataparambil Message-ID: <20080903112512.GB62541@rambler-co.ru> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <921ca19c0809030333u6accf415l80ec5bfb4a984ce1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <921ca19c0809030333u6accf415l80ec5bfb4a984ce1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:27:16 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 04:03:59PM +0530, Sujit Karataparambil wrote: > The VFS was designed to be Object abtraction of the Berkeley Fast File System. > This has been since an terminology with journalling filesystem to have > functionality to added on request. In src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_rawread.c I see that rawreadahead is used. However, I do not understand whether rawreadahead starts a second parallel ahead disk transaction with supplied userland buffer or not. -- Igor Sysoev http://sysoev.ru/en/ > On 9/3/08, Igor Sysoev wrote: > > Hi, > > > > could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > > As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > > directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > > What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? > > > > > > -- > > Igor Sysoev > > http://sysoev.ru/en/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 11:33:22 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB057106564A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sjt.kar@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8F58FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sjt.kar@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1521429yxb.13 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:33:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:subject :cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:references; bh=SwfeVj2wS9HYv9mRYvwrL1NsopAhUidQ7vzO7z2t72w=; b=rfO/mO73zcHBuxMkmS7XLRkR2NPy2yQrEZl49Tn107I+GvvYbuSpqtVIVgoktgNvEQ EmOusgdf6qUQPb5gRd3/DgXtZgw5YJ9WOjJSWojErUtKj7LNtwiwpWrIKlkx9hR1I6pR IyUNIu/XE8KakTY9YpsE+DAXYwWD1vA7YqnGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Ctp3d77SN6lQHMMCMb8Kzo4SqrIXqSVHJtrKhlk6OSixGm0f0NUiqRHwvabteJc4IL G1N6NUIqBjHU1hXhmQIORCKqcHFp8Mr2DgnGxyslAPPDkYeuVpwhtxUjJWAYQTmsDNQb aL9jMYAwVsA/co4I7i88bqO5LTh91jePiai2w= Received: by 10.150.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr12235115ybb.94.1220441601609; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.78.4 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 04:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <921ca19c0809030433w50e16100rd624cdb4a2e4e947@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:03:21 +0530 From: "Sujit Karataparambil" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080903112512.GB62541@rambler-co.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <921ca19c0809030333u6accf415l80ec5bfb4a984ce1@mail.gmail.com> <20080903112512.GB62541@rambler-co.ru> Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:33:22 -0000 These are Journalling File System. Some thing like WAPBL which stands for Write-Ahead Physical Block Logging. These are built on Generic kernel components. On 9/3/08, Igor Sysoev wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 04:03:59PM +0530, Sujit Karataparambil wrote: > > > The VFS was designed to be Object abtraction of the Berkeley Fast File System. > > This has been since an terminology with journalling filesystem to have > > functionality to added on request. > > In src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_rawread.c I see that rawreadahead is used. > However, I do not understand whether rawreadahead starts a second > parallel ahead disk transaction with supplied userland buffer or not. > > > -- > Igor Sysoev > http://sysoev.ru/en/ > > > On 9/3/08, Igor Sysoev wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > > > As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > > > directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > > > What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Igor Sysoev > > > http://sysoev.ru/en/ > -- --linux(2.4/2.6),bsd(4.5.x+),solaris(2.5+) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 11:44:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22857106567D for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D888FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:44:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from localhost (is1.park.rambler.ru [81.19.64.121]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8606B5DC4; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:44:13 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:42:11 +0400 From: Igor Sysoev To: Sujit Karataparambil Message-ID: <20080903114210.GC62541@rambler-co.ru> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <921ca19c0809030333u6accf415l80ec5bfb4a984ce1@mail.gmail.com> <20080903112512.GB62541@rambler-co.ru> <921ca19c0809030433w50e16100rd624cdb4a2e4e947@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <921ca19c0809030433w50e16100rd624cdb4a2e4e947@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:44:15 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 05:03:21PM +0530, Sujit Karataparambil wrote: > These are Journalling File System. Some thing like WAPBL > which stands for Write-Ahead Physical Block Logging. These > are built on Generic kernel components. vfs.ffs.rawreadahead as it may be seen from its name is read-ahead capability, but not write-ahead. And there is no any write-ahead related sysctl: #sysctl -a|grep ahead vfs.ffs.rawreadahead: 1 # > On 9/3/08, Igor Sysoev wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 04:03:59PM +0530, Sujit Karataparambil wrote: > > > > > The VFS was designed to be Object abtraction of the Berkeley Fast File System. > > > This has been since an terminology with journalling filesystem to have > > > functionality to added on request. > > > > In src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_rawread.c I see that rawreadahead is used. > > However, I do not understand whether rawreadahead starts a second > > parallel ahead disk transaction with supplied userland buffer or not. > > > > > > -- > > Igor Sysoev > > http://sysoev.ru/en/ > > > > > On 9/3/08, Igor Sysoev wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > > > > As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > > > > directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > > > > What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Igor Sysoev > > > > http://sysoev.ru/en/ > > > > > -- > --linux(2.4/2.6),bsd(4.5.x+),solaris(2.5+) -- Igor Sysoev http://sysoev.ru/en/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 12:28:42 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B61106567E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:28:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from mainframe.kkip.pl (kkip.pl [87.105.164.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29BD8FC17 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from [192.168.0.10] by mainframe.kkip.pl with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KarTR-000KTo-J1 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:28:39 +0200 Message-ID: <48BE82F6.9070103@kkip.pl> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:28:38 +0200 From: Bartosz Stec User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: admin@kkip.pl X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Spam-Score: -8.5 X-Spam-Score-Int: -84 X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 26-Jun-2008 18:19:28) X-Date: 2008-09-03 14:28:39 X-Connected-IP: 192.168.0.10:4288 X-Message-Linecount: 140 X-Body-Linecount: 129 X-Message-Size: 5665 X-Body-Size: 5225 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 Subject: bugged sysinstall, bsdlabel, zfs, gmirror - recept for disaster :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:28:42 -0000 Hello there! Here's my story, hopefully some of you won't follow my steps and avoid some troubles :) Yesterday I've decided that's about time to test zfs functionality on my home server PC (i386 FreeBSD 7.1-pre) . A couple of weeks ago I bought new desktop PC (with SATA), so I had a bunch of PATA disks from old one to use in server. Lucky me - there was 3 HDD at size 40GB - RAIDZ was on approch! So after a thirty minutes I had a plan, and my server had 4 disks connected - one 20GB with actual system (ad1), and three 40GB to replace actual system (ad[023]). Plan was simple: 1. csup freebsd-stable 2. follow the tuning guide for zfs, rebuild world, kernel, and follow system upgrade 3. Reboot in single user mode 4. fdisk new disks with sysinstall using one big slice for every disk 5. bsdlabel every new disk with sysinstall using: 1GB for /, 512MB for swap, and rest unused (for ZFS) 6. gmirror -n -v -b round-robin boot ad0s1a ad2s1a ad3s1a 7. newfs /dev/mirror/boot 8. mount /dev/mirror/boot /mnt && cd /mnt 9. dump -h 0 -L -f - -C 32 / | restore rf - 10. zpool create tank raidz ad0s1d ad2s1d ad3s1d 11. zfs create new cool filesystems :) 12. dump | restore old ufs2 filesystem to new cool zfs filesystems :) 13. changing mount points from tank/foo to /foo 14. edit new fstab on mirror by replacing root mount point by "boot" mirror, adding new swaps and remove ald ones and all fs now placed on zpool 15. power off system, detach ad1 and power on new system in mixed gmirror - raidz environment. Yay! Well...it has almost works. Sysinstall screw it up. I was always too lazy to read man bsdlabel, that's why I've been using this "nice" tool for disk related tasks. Such a mistake! Problem with labels created with sysinstal, is that it aks for a mount point for every partition in slice. Well, in my case it was unwanted behaviour, so on every disk I created first: a: / b: swap c: none d: /foo Then by using "M" key I removed mount points and saved changes with "W". At this point everything seems ok. So I've added gmirror to loader.conf and run "gmirror label -n -v -b round-robin boot ad0s1a ad2s1a ad3s1a". Still ok until now. Next step - kldload geom_mirror. Here's disaster! System became unresponsible and hangs after a while. Reboot didn't help, just after gmirror module was loaded by kernel, screen was flooded with messages: WARNING: Expected rawoffset 0, found 63 andy didn't boot. I've made system start only because an old drive ad1 has no gmirror module added to loader.conf. So after reboot I've cleared metadata on providers and made some another attempts, but results were always the same. Finally I have found explanation for this issue. Man bsdlabel says: /offset/ The offset of the start of the partition from the beginning of the drive in sectors, or *** to have *bsdlabel* calculate the correct offset to use (the end of the previous partition plus one, ignor- ing partition `c'). For partition `c', *** will be interpreted as an offset of 0. The first partition should start at offset 16, because the first 16 sectors are reserved for metadata. So proper labels for disks should be (and they are now): # /dev/ad0s1: 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 2097152 16 4.2BSD 0 0 0 b: 1048576 2097168 swap c: 78156162 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, don't edit d: 75010418 3145744 unused 0 0 Problem was - Sysinstall has placed partition "a:" starting with offset 0! This is what happens when you don't RTFM :) I assume that this bug occured because I created mount point for root on ad[023]s1a and removed it after, than saved label. It seems that GEOM framework didn't expect this, neither maual for bsdlabel. I think that should be fixed somehow. Fortunately manually editing labels by "bsdlabel -e" wasn't so hard as I expected. This is how I made everything back to normal: a: 1024M * 4.2BSD 0 0 0 b: 512M * swap c: 78156162 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, don't edit d: * * unused 0 0 After that, gmirror has stopped pissing me off, and I finished my plan, as below: # zpool status pool: tank state: ONLINE scrub: scrub completed with 0 errors on Wed Sep 3 10:10:07 2008 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM tank ONLINE 0 0 0 raidz1 ONLINE 0 0 0 ad0s1d ONLINE 0 0 0 ad2s1d ONLINE 0 0 0 ad3s1d ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors # gmirror status Name Status Components mirror/boot COMPLETE ad0s1a ad2s1a ad3s1a Good luck with ZFS everyone! :) And RTFM ;) -- Bartosz Stec - specjalista ds. IT AUXILIA Spó³ka z o.o. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 12:40:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A041106564A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:40:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.terabit.net.ua (mail.terabit.net.ua [195.137.202.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A6788FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:39:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from skuns.zoral.com.ua ([91.193.166.194] helo=mail.zoral.com.ua) by mail.terabit.net.ua with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KareQ-000J75-Al; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:39:58 +0300 Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (root@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua [10.1.1.148]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83Cdt5s033290 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:39:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83CdteT010986; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:39:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m83Cdter010984; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:39:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:39:55 +0300 From: Kostik Belousov To: Igor Sysoev Message-ID: <20080903123955.GE2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iHi2w+J2QYXBOoee" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Scanned: mail.terabit.net.ua 1KareQ-000J75-Al 4021e6aeaec9c80292b1dea13860bb81 X-Terabit: YES Cc: Tor Egge , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:40:00 -0000 --iHi2w+J2QYXBOoee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:53:52PM +0400, Igor Sysoev wrote: > Hi, >=20 > could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? The operation of the ffs_rawread is more accurately described as bypassing the page cache. It creates the physical buffer that maps the user pages. The readahead is performed only when the supplied user memory region is bigger then blocksize. In this case, two reads are performed simultaneously, with both buffers mapping consequent blocks from user-supplied buffers. The read operation looks like footsteps. --iHi2w+J2QYXBOoee Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki+hZoACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4iUzwCeK6uS/EA1LU6Pb9cLEE+L/e16 TawAoMnUlFdZUm11S2ApwjBVO9SToWoW =zxas -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iHi2w+J2QYXBOoee-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 12:49:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DCE106567D; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9AC8FC16; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 12:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from localhost (is1.park.rambler.ru [81.19.64.121]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258A25C43; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:49:36 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:47:33 +0400 From: Igor Sysoev To: Kostik Belousov Message-ID: <20080903124733.GH62541@rambler-co.ru> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <20080903123955.GE2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080903123955.GE2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: Tor Egge , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:49:37 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:39:55PM +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:53:52PM +0400, Igor Sysoev wrote: > > Hi, > > > > could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > > As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > > directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > > What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? > > The operation of the ffs_rawread is more accurately described as > bypassing the page cache. It creates the physical buffer that maps > the user pages. > > The readahead is performed only when the supplied user memory region > is bigger then blocksize. In this case, two reads are performed > simultaneously, with both buffers mapping consequent blocks from > user-supplied buffers. The read operation looks like footsteps. Nice! As I understand the size limit of one read operation is MAXPHYS, which is equal to 128K due to LBA28 ATA limit. On SCSI, SATA, and LBA48 ATA this limit can be increased. Is it safe ? -- Igor Sysoev http://sysoev.ru/en/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 13:01:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969281065678; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from mail.terabit.net.ua (mail.terabit.net.ua [195.137.202.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340B18FC08; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from skuns.zoral.com.ua ([91.193.166.194] helo=mail.zoral.com.ua) by mail.terabit.net.ua with esmtp (Exim 4.63 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Karzf-000LT2-NV; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:01:55 +0300 Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (root@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua [10.1.1.148]) by mail.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83D1nqG034521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:01:50 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: from deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (kostik@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83D1npl015532; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:01:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) Received: (from kostik@localhost) by deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m83D1nEk015530; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:01:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from kostikbel@gmail.com) X-Authentication-Warning: deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua: kostik set sender to kostikbel@gmail.com using -f Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:01:49 +0300 From: Kostik Belousov To: Igor Sysoev Message-ID: <20080903130149.GF2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <20080903123955.GE2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20080903124733.GH62541@rambler-co.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WCiRD21tF6xAtlSs" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080903124733.GH62541@rambler-co.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.93.3, clamav-milter version 0.93.3 on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on skuns.kiev.zoral.com.ua X-Virus-Scanned: mail.terabit.net.ua 1Karzf-000LT2-NV 4dcbe21b2a5eb5d858632c8727f78114 X-Terabit: YES Cc: Tor Egge , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 13:01:57 -0000 --WCiRD21tF6xAtlSs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 04:47:33PM +0400, Igor Sysoev wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:39:55PM +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote: >=20 > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:53:52PM +0400, Igor Sysoev wrote: > > > Hi, > > >=20 > > > could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > > > As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > > > directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > > > What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? > >=20 > > The operation of the ffs_rawread is more accurately described as > > bypassing the page cache. It creates the physical buffer that maps > > the user pages. > >=20 > > The readahead is performed only when the supplied user memory region > > is bigger then blocksize. In this case, two reads are performed > > simultaneously, with both buffers mapping consequent blocks from > > user-supplied buffers. The read operation looks like footsteps. >=20 > Nice! >=20 > As I understand the size limit of one read operation is MAXPHYS, which is > equal to 128K due to LBA28 ATA limit. On SCSI, SATA, and LBA48 ATA this l= imit > can be increased. Is it safe ? As I understand, mnt_iosize_max value, that is topped at MAXPHYS, is used to limit the size of the buffer cluster used for clustered reads/writes. This readw clustering sometimes is called readahead too, but it seems to not be directly related to readahead done by ffs_rawread.c. --WCiRD21tF6xAtlSs Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki+ir0ACgkQC3+MBN1Mb4jP/QCeO//8yFyh+RvU8FfDnrH4MifQ k0YAoJoe4Mge7t3qehJJKqfbPPlqDC0g =MyOq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WCiRD21tF6xAtlSs-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 16:36:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59FE21067732 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 219998FC21 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 15803 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 16:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 16:02:53 -0000 Message-Id: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:36:11 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:36:14 -0000 BACKGROUND: A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a decent basic system from one CD. One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well. Why can't we have a small window manager like icewm along with Firefox 3.0+ be among the packages on the first FreeBSD CD so a basic working system with a web browser can be a default install? Is it that X.org is now too big? I have been a FreeBSD user/builder for more than a decade because of / usr/src/make - complete sources and a beautiful build system, but I must admit that Ubuntu has done a great job of modern hardware detection and providing a nice useable system out of the box. I wish we could join both worlds in a future BSD release. (I crashed Ubuntu 8.04 in the first day so I still prefer BSD to Linux.) Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new $500 Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the Intel 4965 wireless and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT supported so I have a great new laptop which cannot connect to the outside world with BSD. :-( Ubuntu supports these and lots more. SUMMARY: I would like to see FreeBSD 7.1 add to its disc1: 1) X.org 2) icewm 3) firefox-3.0 4) support for Intel 4965 wireless drivers 5) support for Marvell 88E8040 ethernet driver Dan Allen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 17:14:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34123106EF28; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A54418FC1D; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.home (pooker.samsco.home [192.168.254.1]) by pooker.samsco.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83GikGS040533; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:44:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 10:44:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Scott Long To: Igor Sysoev In-Reply-To: <20080903124733.GH62541@rambler-co.ru> Message-ID: <20080903103846.T39726@pooker.samsco.org> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <20080903123955.GE2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20080903124733.GH62541@rambler-co.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Kostik Belousov , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Tor Egge Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:14:13 -0000 On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Igor Sysoev wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:39:55PM +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:53:52PM +0400, Igor Sysoev wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? >>> As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data >>> directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. >>> What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? >> >> The operation of the ffs_rawread is more accurately described as >> bypassing the page cache. It creates the physical buffer that maps >> the user pages. >> >> The readahead is performed only when the supplied user memory region >> is bigger then blocksize. In this case, two reads are performed >> simultaneously, with both buffers mapping consequent blocks from >> user-supplied buffers. The read operation looks like footsteps. > > Nice! > > As I understand the size limit of one read operation is MAXPHYS, which is > equal to 128K due to LBA28 ATA limit. On SCSI, SATA, and LBA48 ATA this limit > can be increased. Is it safe ? > > The value of MAXPHYS is unrelated to capabilities or limitations of ATA. It was chosen based on the needs to prevent an excessive amount of parallel I/O from exhausting the kernel address space and system memory. In fact, the concern was with SCSI, not with ATA. MAXPHYS can be raised, especially on 64bit platforms, but doing so also bloats the sizes of a few key data structures. I've been looking at a solution for this, and I'd rather that people keep their MAXPHYS changes confined to their local trees rather than changing FreeBSD unless they also solve the associated side effects. SCott From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 17:46:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC2FF10668C2; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from relay0.rambler.ru (relay0.rambler.ru [81.19.66.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815298FC15; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from is@rambler-co.ru) Received: from localhost (is1.park.rambler.ru [81.19.64.121]) by relay0.rambler.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73665D01; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:46:55 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:44:53 +0400 From: Igor Sysoev To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20080903174452.GB73831@rambler-co.ru> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <20080903123955.GE2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20080903124733.GH62541@rambler-co.ru> <20080903103846.T39726@pooker.samsco.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080903103846.T39726@pooker.samsco.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: Kostik Belousov , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Tor Egge Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:46:57 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 10:44:46AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Igor Sysoev wrote: > >On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:39:55PM +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote: > > > >>On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:53:52PM +0400, Igor Sysoev wrote: > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? > >>>As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data > >>>directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. > >>>What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? > >> > >>The operation of the ffs_rawread is more accurately described as > >>bypassing the page cache. It creates the physical buffer that maps > >>the user pages. > >> > >>The readahead is performed only when the supplied user memory region > >>is bigger then blocksize. In this case, two reads are performed > >>simultaneously, with both buffers mapping consequent blocks from > >>user-supplied buffers. The read operation looks like footsteps. > > > >Nice! > > > >As I understand the size limit of one read operation is MAXPHYS, which is > >equal to 128K due to LBA28 ATA limit. On SCSI, SATA, and LBA48 ATA this > >limit > >can be increased. Is it safe ? > > The value of MAXPHYS is unrelated to capabilities or limitations of ATA. > It was chosen based on the needs to prevent an excessive amount of > parallel I/O from exhausting the kernel address space and system memory. > In fact, the concern was with SCSI, not with ATA. > > MAXPHYS can be raised, especially on 64bit platforms, but doing so also > bloats the sizes of a few key data structures. I've been looking at a > solution for this, and I'd rather that people keep their MAXPHYS changes > confined to their local trees rather than changing FreeBSD unless they > also solve the associated side effects. As I understand MAXPHYS affects at least on pager_map size: on modern machines it's usually 256 * MAXPHYS = 32M, therefore increasing MAXPHYS will increase the map too. The 128K is probably good value and I do not suggest to increase it by default, I just want to increase MAXPHYS to improve disk throughput on some hosts where nginx serves large files (1G+) using DIRECTIO. BTW, is it possible to change MAXPHYS to a loader tunnable ? -- Igor Sysoev http://sysoev.ru/en/ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 17:56:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B469107A585; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98C08FC13; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Received: from pooker.samsco.home (pooker.samsco.home [192.168.254.1]) by pooker.samsco.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83Hu9AG040834; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:56:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from scottl@samsco.org) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 11:56:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Scott Long To: Igor Sysoev In-Reply-To: <20080903174452.GB73831@rambler-co.ru> Message-ID: <20080903114853.Q39726@pooker.samsco.org> References: <20080903095352.GA62541@rambler-co.ru> <20080903123955.GE2038@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <20080903124733.GH62541@rambler-co.ru> <20080903103846.T39726@pooker.samsco.org> <20080903174452.GB73831@rambler-co.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=3.8 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on pooker.samsco.org Cc: Kostik Belousov , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Tor Egge Subject: Re: vfs.ffs.rawreadahead X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:56:19 -0000 On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Igor Sysoev wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 10:44:46AM -0600, Scott Long wrote: > >> On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Igor Sysoev wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:39:55PM +0300, Kostik Belousov wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 01:53:52PM +0400, Igor Sysoev wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> could anyone tell what does vfs.ffs.rawreadahead enable ? >>>>> As I understand it's used in DIRECTIO code that allows read data >>>>> directly to an userland buffer bypassing the buffer cache. >>>>> What I can not understand where the read ahead data can be placed in ? >>>> >>>> The operation of the ffs_rawread is more accurately described as >>>> bypassing the page cache. It creates the physical buffer that maps >>>> the user pages. >>>> >>>> The readahead is performed only when the supplied user memory region >>>> is bigger then blocksize. In this case, two reads are performed >>>> simultaneously, with both buffers mapping consequent blocks from >>>> user-supplied buffers. The read operation looks like footsteps. >>> >>> Nice! >>> >>> As I understand the size limit of one read operation is MAXPHYS, which is >>> equal to 128K due to LBA28 ATA limit. On SCSI, SATA, and LBA48 ATA this >>> limit >>> can be increased. Is it safe ? >> >> The value of MAXPHYS is unrelated to capabilities or limitations of ATA. >> It was chosen based on the needs to prevent an excessive amount of >> parallel I/O from exhausting the kernel address space and system memory. >> In fact, the concern was with SCSI, not with ATA. >> >> MAXPHYS can be raised, especially on 64bit platforms, but doing so also >> bloats the sizes of a few key data structures. I've been looking at a >> solution for this, and I'd rather that people keep their MAXPHYS changes >> confined to their local trees rather than changing FreeBSD unless they >> also solve the associated side effects. > > As I understand MAXPHYS affects at least on pager_map size: on modern > machines it's usually 256 * MAXPHYS = 32M, therefore increasing MAXPHYS > will increase the map too. This is intended and desirable. > > The 128K is probably good value and I do not suggest to increase it by > default, I just want to increase MAXPHYS to improve disk throughput > on some hosts where nginx serves large files (1G+) using DIRECTIO. I've tested increases up to 1M, and they all are very beneficial not only for silly sequential style benchmarks but also for clustered i/o. 256-512k is the sweet spot, but Windows has set the standard at 1M and I'd like to have FreeBSD follow suit eventually. > > BTW, is it possible to change MAXPHYS to a loader tunnable ? > > No. Struct buf is sized based on MAXPHYS, and there's no convenient way yet to dynamically size that at runtime. Scott From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 19:15:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8246310656BF for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 170208FC1C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-215-175.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.215.175]) by mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m83JEtSv032298 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:14:56 +1000 X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83JEtID021234; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:14:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m83JEt1T021233; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:14:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:14:55 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:15:09 -0000 --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-Sep-03 10:36:11 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new =20 >$500 Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the =20 >Intel 4965 wireless and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT =20 >supported so I have a great new laptop which cannot connect to the =20 >outside world with BSD. :-( Ubuntu supports these and lots more. Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you please re-send them. WiFi chip support is very hit-and-miss. Vendors won't release programming information because of regulatory issues and this makes supporting them very difficult. Have you tried using ndis? A large number of Marvell 88E80xx chips are supported by msk(4). If yours isn't, you are going to need to provide more details on what chip you have. >I would like to see FreeBSD 7.1 add to its disc1: > >1) X.org >2) icewm >3) firefox-3.0 >4) support for Intel 4965 wireless drivers >5) support for Marvell 88E8040 ethernet driver Disc1 is full. What do you suggest should be removed from disk1 to make space for the above? --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki+4i4ACgkQ/opHv/APuIcSpgCfZfo3n0AbmsKzoFiWafy3TmrY xx8AoK21kf3StfqMMlqM2Lh4ONgTsmtw =zSzo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 19:37:29 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68FC1065682 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmt@burggraben.net) Received: from smtp.burggraben.net (ns.haidundneu23.net [213.133.108.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771A08FC1B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:37:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cmt@burggraben.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.burggraben.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398EB681DD; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:37:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Scanned: by amavisd-new at haidundneu23.net Received: from smtp.burggraben.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ns.haidundneu23.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f012GsGW9zzN; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from storage.haidundneu23.net (p5B2DEC97.dip.t-dialin.net [91.45.236.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "storage.haidundneu23.net", Issuer "Christoph Moench-Tegeder" (verified OK)) by smtp.burggraben.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:37:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elch.haidundneu23.net (elch.haidundneu23.net [10.0.42.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "elch.haidundneu23.net", Issuer "Christoph Moench-Tegeder" (verified OK)) by storage.haidundneu23.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081FC1819B5; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:37:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elch.haidundneu23.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 590945641D; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:37:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:37:03 +0200 From: Christoph Moench-Tegeder To: "O. Hartmann" Message-ID: <20080903193703.GA72896@elch.haidundneu23.net> References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080902151456.GA1593@elch.haidundneu23.net> <48BE28F7.7030500@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080903063753.GA2120@reindeer.haidundneu23.net> <48BE388C.7050706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48BE388C.7050706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> X-PGP-Key: RSA/2048 0xB816EBBD X-PGP-Fingerprint: 89 2E 6D 05 95 B8 D7 1F 7C 1D C3 1E 95 A0 9B 5D X-GPG: supported User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:37:29 -0000 ## O. Hartmann (ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de): > My box at home has an older NV6800GT and I do not have this special > issue, but instead I do have another well known issue of box-freezing. > This also happens with 'nv'. Whoa. Guess I'm lucky, as my nvidia chis is working, albeit quite slowly. My radeonhd-based card at home is way faster, but exhibits the same black-image-issue with firefox. Regards, Christoph -- Spare Space From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 19:54:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504001065681 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0CE28FC30 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:54:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C08A130C73; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:54:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at madpilot.net Received: from megatron.madpilot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (megatron.madpilot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qLHCKm2FrFzG; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from anakin.madpilot.net (anakin.madpilot.net [172.24.42.10]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:54:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:53:57 +0200 From: Guido Falsi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Allen References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> In-Reply-To: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:54:09 -0000 Dan Allen wrote: > BACKGROUND: > > A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a > decent basic system from one CD. > > One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well. > > Why can't we have a small window manager like icewm along with Firefox > 3.0+ be among the packages on the first FreeBSD CD so a basic working > system with a web browser can be a default install? Is it that X.org is > now too big? > > SUMMARY: > > I would like to see FreeBSD 7.1 add to its disc1: > > 1) X.org > 2) icewm > 3) firefox-3.0 > 4) support for Intel 4965 wireless drivers > 5) support for Marvell 88E8040 ethernet driver > If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try Freesbie or something like that? If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this installation to live there for some years. I can spend some hours/days installing and configuring what I really need. At least this is the way I see it. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 20:15:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F2AF106567B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:15:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 092528FC18 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:15:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7A9D25C34; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:58:25 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: Peter Jeremy Message-ID: <20080903195825.GC28299@atarininja.org> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:15:13 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 05:14:55AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2008-Sep-03 10:36:11 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new > >$500 Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the > >Intel 4965 wireless and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT > >supported so I have a great new laptop which cannot connect to the > >outside world with BSD. :-( Ubuntu supports these and lots more. > > Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx > must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you please > re-send them. > > WiFi chip support is very hit-and-miss. Vendors won't release > programming information because of regulatory issues and this makes > supporting them very difficult. Have you tried using ndis? I installed the June snapshot of -current on my laptop and it supports my Intel 4965 just fine. Support for this card is out there and does work, just not in RELENG_7. -- WXS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 20:58:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C680A1065684 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522B78FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 2816 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 20:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 20:25:24 -0000 Message-Id: <32833CD6-DE00-4FDB-A01A-B86B0A25B3E4@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:58:45 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:58:47 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx > must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you please > re-send them. I have not written patches, thus I did not send any patches. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 21:01:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EF51065670 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AA28FC2E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 4329 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 20:28:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 20:28:27 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Guido Falsi In-Reply-To: <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:01:48 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:01:50 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: > If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try > Freesbie or something like that? Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and not something downstream. > If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this installation to live > there for some years. I can spend some hours/days installing and > configuring what I really need. At least this is the way I see it. > Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at least want a web browser out of the box. The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that FreeBSD was AS compelling in its first install experience. At present it is far, far behind. That does not stop ME from preferring FreeBSD, but it stops many other people. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 21:05:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29471065673 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80ED8FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 6465 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 20:32:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 20:32:16 -0000 Message-Id: <55EA18D2-E017-4426-9377-1FC113ED83D2@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Wesley Shields , Gavin Atkinson In-Reply-To: <20080903195825.GC28299@atarininja.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:05:27 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080903195825.GC28299@atarininja.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:05:42 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:58 PM, Wesley Shields wrote: > I installed the June snapshot of -current on my laptop and it supports > my Intel 4965 just fine. Support for this card is out there and does > work, just not in RELENG_7. On 3 Sep 2008, at 2:45 PM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > There is support for the Intel 4965 in HEAD, with the iwn(4) driver. Thanks guys for the info. Not having ANY wired or wireless support in FreeBSD for a very decent Dell laptop that is flying off of the shelves at $500, I deleted FreeBSD from the machine and installed Ubuntu 8.04. I therefore cannot run "pciconf -l" at this moment in time, but I may get back around to it. Stay tuned... maybe for 7.2. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 21:16:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 101021065670 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:16:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999448FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:16:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-gw6.york.ac.uk (mail-gw6.york.ac.uk [144.32.129.26]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m83KjDbB013949; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:45:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk ([144.32.108.81]) by mail-gw6.york.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KazE1-0004J2-0t; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:45:13 +0100 Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (localhost.york.ac.uk [127.0.0.1]) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83KjC0i002421; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:45:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) with ESMTP id m83KjCni002418; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:45:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: ury.york.ac.uk: gavin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:45:12 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson X-X-Sender: gavin@ury.york.ac.uk To: Dan Allen In-Reply-To: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> Message-ID: <20080903211010.G57629@ury.york.ac.uk> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: gavin@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:16:32 -0000 On Wed, 3 Sep 2008, Dan Allen wrote: > Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new $500 Dell > Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the Intel 4965 wireless > and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT supported so I have a great new > laptop which cannot connect to the outside world with BSD. :-( Ubuntu > supports these and lots more. There is support for the Intel 4965 in HEAD, with the iwn(4) driver. I don't know how likely this is to be merged before 7.1, but I suspect if people test it and confirms that it works for them, it may be possible. As for the 88E80xx, it probably depends exaclty which chipset you are talking about. Several are already supported with the msk(4) driver, have you tried it? If that doesn't work, the output of "pciconf -l" will be necessary before there's any chance of helping. Gavn From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 21:26:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F53106564A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:26:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=11320824c3=killing@multiplay.co.uk) Received: from mail1.multiplay.co.uk (core6.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B4B8FC0A for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:26:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=11320824c3=killing@multiplay.co.uk) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=multiplay.co.uk; s=Multiplay; t=1220476272; x=1221081072; q=dns/txt; h=Received: Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=0iGjtd9IP3ALVYZ6dRLwR KgQXYpOmqJ0PaHvj1aRX78=; b=jR6tfGY7yEz0b7bocv9l8evaaxY+1B/vn3cNI EG3RkHUs6sN0J+FLN0ELR0OMjIL377mTz36IomUfJ8CJyLP7geiwtSZStBQ/rlYc kirIS2Vl7ZNYS0s0urlwavsKmdjc057f/1EKG6udzeRNnCHzixwmvZnNMr1qqkfY 19q/qU= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on mail1.multiplay.co.uk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.7 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_00, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, USER_IN_WHITELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from r2d2 by mail1.multiplay.co.uk (MDaemon PRO v9.6.6) with ESMTP id md50006125840.msg for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:11:10 +0100 X-Authenticated-Sender: Killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDRemoteIP: 85.236.106.102 X-Return-Path: prvs=11320824c3=killing@multiplay.co.uk X-Envelope-From: killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: From: "Steven Hartland" To: "Dan Allen" , "Guido Falsi" References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net><48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:11:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Processed: mail1.multiplay.co.uk, Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:11:11 +0100 X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.multiplay.co.uk, Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:11:12 +0100 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:26:34 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Allen" > I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to > use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at > least want a web browser out of the box. For some, but for others like ourselves here we really don't want all that bloat. One of the reasons we really like it is its perfect for server installs, no crap installed that you don't want :) Regards Steve ================================================ This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone +44 845 868 1337 or return the E.mail to postmaster@multiplay.co.uk. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 21:28:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DE21065678 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from k@kevinkevin.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FD78FC1C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from k@kevinkevin.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1669667yxb.13 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:28:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.137.8 with SMTP id k8mr13148108ybd.79.1220477290765; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kevin ( [76.10.166.187]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k30sm14203942qba.4.2008.09.03.14.28.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:28:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin" To: References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:27:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c90e0b$eba99b40$c2fcd1c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckOCG5PD+bi7zotSRGYqBGwMxTQoAAA0b3A Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: A1PF A7Go B7Vf Cn8i C6JI DVhC DixK E617 E7ou E+XN FYA/ Fh6n G1DU Hvpo JApL JN5h; 1; ZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAtAHMAdABhAGIAbABlAEAAZgByAGUAZQBiAHMAZAAuAG8AcgBnAA==; Sosha1_v1; 7; {E924B555-048A-4508-A5E9-8F6A57E3041D}; awBAAGsAZQB2AGkAbgBrAGUAdgBpAG4ALgBjAG8AbQA=; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:27:48 GMT; UgBFADoAIABGAHIAZQBlAEIAUwBEACAANwAuADEAIABDAG8AbgB0AGUAbgB0AA== x-cr-puzzleid: {E924B555-048A-4508-A5E9-8F6A57E3041D} Subject: RE: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:28:12 -0000 > The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that FreeBSD > was AS compelling in its first install experience. At present it is > far, far behind. > > That does not stop ME from preferring FreeBSD, but it stops many other > people. FreeBSD is primarily a server oriented operating system, while ubuntu is geared (from a development and design perspective) towards the desktop market. This is the primary reason why you are experiencing this. ~k From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 21:46:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D8810663BA; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:46:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuuse@redantigua.com) Received: from kilimanjaro.scorpionshops.com (kilimanjaro.scorpionshops.com [83.140.32.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632878FC1A; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:46:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kuuse@redantigua.com) Received: from [192.168.1.128] (144.Red-83-49-238.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [83.49.238.144]) by kilimanjaro.scorpionshops.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428F2D38055; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:46:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Johan Kuuse Organization: Red Antigua To: John Baldwin Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:46:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <1179.83.49.238.144.1218565410.frodo@webmail.bilbomedia.com> <200808121439.48158.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200808121439.48158.jhb@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200809032346.14053.kuuse@redantigua.com> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kernel panic X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:46:20 -0000 On Tuesday 12 August 2008 20:39:47 you wrote: > On Tuesday 12 August 2008 02:23:30 pm Johan Kuuse wrote: > > > On Tuesday 12 August 2008 02:42:52 am Johan Kuuse wrote: > > >> On Monday 11 August 2008 23:04:30 John Baldwin wrote: > > >> > On Sunday 10 August 2008 10:01:49 pm Johan Kuuse wrote: > > >> > > Hi, > > >> > > > > >> > > I am a kgdb newbie, so please be patient. > > >> > > I suspect (just based on the fact that this is the 4th time I edit > text > > >> > > > >> > files on my NTFS partition through ntfs-3g, using Emacs, and getting > > >> > frequent I/O error messages inside Emacs, and then a kernel panic) that > > >> > this is a ntfs-3g related problem. > > >> > > > >> > > If you ask me exactly how to reproduce it, I sorry, I can tell you > > >> > > exactly > > >> > > > >> > (but see the kgdb output below). > > >> > > > >> > > Anyway, the kernel seems to panic at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:1530 > > >> > > > > >> > > Just a suggestion for a patch (without knowing the functionality > > >> > > > >> > of /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c): > > >> > > The line where the kernel panics: > > >> > > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c: > > >> > > ---------------------------------- > > >> > > VM_OBJECT_LOCK(bp->b_bufobj->bo_object); > > >> > > ... > > >> > > ---------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > Comparing to another file, which does error checking before calling > > >> > > > >> > VM_OBJECT_LOCK: > > >> > > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_aio.c: > > >> > > ---------------------------------- > > >> > > if (vp->v_object != NULL) { > > >> > > VM_OBJECT_LOCK(vp->v_object); > > >> > > ... > > >> > > ---------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > Perhaps the kernel panic could be avoided with the following patch? > > >> > > /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c (suggested patch): > > >> > > ---------------------------------- > > >> > > if ((bp->b_bufobj != NULL) && (bp->b_bufobj->bo_object != NULL)) { > > >> > > VM_OBJECT_LOCK(bp->b_bufobj->bo_object); > > >> > > ... > > >> > > ---------------------------------- > > >> > > > > >> > > Please let me know if you need more information. > > >> > > > > >> > > Regards, > > >> > > Johan Kuuse > > >> > > > > >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > >------------------------------------ kgdb kernel.debug > > >> > > /var/crash/vmcore.1 > > >> > > [GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: > > >> > > /usr/lib/libthread_db.so: > > >> > > > >> > Undefined symbol "ps_pglobal_lookup"] > > >> > > > >> > > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > > >> > > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > >> > > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and > > >> > > you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under > > >> > > certain > > >> > > > >> > conditions. > > >> > > > >> > > Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > > >> > > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for > > >> > > details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd". > > >> > > > > >> > > Unread portion of the kernel message buffer: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode > > >> > > cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 > > >> > > fault virtual address = 0x34 > > >> > > fault code = supervisor read, page not present > > >> > > instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc07b6de4 > > >> > > stack pointer = 0x28:0xe79de7c8 > > >> > > frame pointer = 0x28:0xe79de7e8 > > >> > > code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b > > >> > > = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 > > >> > > processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 > > >> > > current process = 1214 (opera) > > >> > > trap number = 12 > > >> > > panic: page fault > > >> > > cpuid = 0 > > >> > > Uptime: 5h20m30s > > >> > > Physical memory: 2035 MB > > >> > > Dumping 218 MB: 203 187 171 155 139 123 107 91 75 59 43 27 11 > > >> > > > > >> > > #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 > > >> > > 195 __asm __volatile("movl %%fs:0,%0" : "=r" (td)); > > >> > > (kgdb) list *0xc07b6de4 > > >> > > 0xc07b6de4 is in vfs_vmio_release (/usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:1530). > > >> > > 1525 vfs_vmio_release(struct buf *bp) > > >> > > 1526 { > > >> > > 1527 int i; > > >> > > 1528 vm_page_t m; > > >> > > 1529 > > >> > > 1530 VM_OBJECT_LOCK(bp->b_bufobj->bo_object); > > >> > > 1531 vm_page_lock_queues(); > > >> > > 1532 for (i = 0; i < bp->b_npages; i++) { > > >> > > 1533 m = bp->b_pages[i]; > > >> > > 1534 bp->b_pages[i] = NULL; > > >> > > (kgdb) bt > > >> > > #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 > > >> > > #1 0xc0754457 in boot (howto=260) at > > >> > > /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:409 #2 0xc0754719 in panic > > >> > > (fmt=Variable "fmt" is not available. > > >> > > ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/kern_shutdown.c:563 > > >> > > #3 0xc0a4905c in trap_fatal (frame=0xe79de788, eva=52) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:899 > > >> > > > >> > > #4 0xc0a492e0 in trap_pfault (frame=0xe79de788, usermode=0, eva=52) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:812 > > >> > > > >> > > #5 0xc0a49c8c in trap (frame=0xe79de788) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:490 > > >> > > > >> > > #6 0xc0a2fc0b in calltrap () > at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/exception.s:139 > > >> > > #7 0xc07b6de4 in vfs_vmio_release (bp=0xd927e33c) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:1530 > > >> > > > >> > > #8 0xc07b8a81 in getnewbuf (slpflag=0, slptimeo=0, size=Variable > > >> > > "size" is > > >> > > > >> > not available. > > >> > > > >> > > ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:1847 > > >> > > #9 0xc07ba118 in getblk (vp=0xc8891bb0, blkno=0, size=2048, > slpflag=0, > > >> > > > >> > slptimeo=0, flags=Variable "flags" is not available. > > >> > > > >> > > ) at /usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_bio.c:2602 > > >> > > #10 0xc0932815 in ffs_balloc_ufs2 (vp=0xc8891bb0, > > >> > > > >> > startoffset=Variable "startoffset" is not available. > > >> > > > >> > > ) at /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_balloc.c:699 > > >> > > #11 0xc0952a85 in ffs_write (ap=0xe79debc4) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/ufs/ffs/ffs_vnops.c:720 > > >> > > > >> > > #12 0xc0a5efc6 in VOP_WRITE_APV (vop=0xc0b93c60, a=0xe79debc4) at > > >> > > > >> > vnode_if.c:691 > > >> > > > >> > > #13 0xc07dbf37 in vn_write (fp=0xc85f3168, uio=0xe79dec60, > > >> > > > >> > active_cred=0xc61c6300, flags=0, td=0xc583fc60) at vnode_if.h:373 > > >> > > > >> > > #14 0xc07875e7 in dofilewrite (td=0xc583fc60, fd=17, fp=0xc85f3168, > > >> > > > >> > auio=0xe79dec60, offset=-1, flags=0) at file.h:254 > > >> > > > >> > > #15 0xc07878c8 in kern_writev (td=0xc583fc60, fd=17, auio=0xe79dec60) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:401 > > >> > > > >> > > #16 0xc078793f in write (td=0xc583fc60, uap=0xe79decfc) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/kern/sys_generic.c:317 > > >> > > > >> > > #17 0xc0a49635 in syscall (frame=0xe79ded38) > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/trap.c:1035 > > >> > > > >> > > #18 0xc0a2fc70 in Xint0x80_syscall () > > >> > > > >> > at /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/exception.s:196 > > >> > > > >> > > #19 0x00000033 in ?? () > > >> > > Previous frame inner to this frame (corrupt stack?) > > >> > > > >> > FYI, you got the panic in ffs/ufs, not fuse. I've seen this at work on > > >> > 6.x with NFS with no clues on what causes it. You can start by going > to > > >> > frame 7 and doing 'p *bp'. > > >> > > >> Thanks for the hints. > > >> See below for more debug output. > > >> I recognize that the bp struct members b_data and b_kvabase both point to > a > > >> chunk of memory containing the text of the Opera web page I was reading > > >> when the kernel crashed. (This is indicated above: current process > > >> = 1214 (opera)) > > >> > > >> But what is most interesting is that b_bufobj = 0x0 > > >> Obviously, then trying to access bp->b_bufobj->bo_object will cause a > > >> crash. So I think it would be a good idea to NULL-check the struct member > > >> before trying to access it. How should I proceed? Should I post this as a > > >> possible bug somewhere else, to another list? > > > > > > Unfortunately, it is a worse problem that b_bufobj is NULL. That means > there > > > is a bug elsewhere. I'll look at this some more. > > > > > > Hmm, can you reproduce this at all? If so, can you try the patch below. > > > Hopefully it panics here which might help: > > > > > > Index: vfs_subr.c > > > =================================================================== > > > --- vfs_subr.c (revision 181629) > > > +++ vfs_subr.c (working copy) > > > @@ -1546,6 +1546,9 @@ > > > CTR3(KTR_BUF, "brelvp(%p) vp %p flags %X", bp, bp->b_vp, bp->b_flags); > > > KASSERT(bp->b_vp != NULL, ("brelvp: NULL")); > > > > > > + if (bp->flags & B_VMIO) > > > + panic("brelvp of B_VMIO buffer"); > > > + > > > /* > > > * Delete from old vnode list, if on one. > > > */ > > > > > > -- > > > John Baldwin > > > > > > > Sorry, at the moment I don't know how to reproduce the crash. > > I mentioned ntfs-ng/fuse as I got the impression that they caused a heavy > load > > on my box, but in the end, it was Opera which caused the crash (also causing > a > > heavy load, however). > > What I can do is to apply your patch and play around with CPU-consuming apps > to > > try if I can reproduce the crash during heavy load. > > Ok. > > > Currently I'm running 7.-0-RELEASE. > > Do you recommend me to upgrade to STABLE before applying the patch? > > No, you can just leave it as it is. At work I've seen this occasionally on > 6.x, so it's probably an older bug. > Hi again, I got another kernel panic in vfs_subr.c, but not in the patched function brelvp(), but in delmntque(). At the moment of the kernel panic, I was installing the sysutils/e2fsprogs, which performs some ext2fs mount/umount tests during install. Debug output listed below. Please let me know if you need some more info. Regards, Johan Kuuse -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYDEBUGKERNEL kgdb kernel.debug /var/crash/vmcore.4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [GDB will not be able to debug user-mode threads: /usr/lib/libthread_db.so: Undefined symbol "ps_pglobal_lookup"] GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd". Unread portion of the kernel message buffer: Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode cpuid = 0; apic id = 00 fault virtual address = 0x0 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x20:0xc07cb876 stack pointer = 0x28:0xe79a8824 frame pointer = 0x28:0xe79a8860 code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 12674 (mtree) trap number = 12 panic: page fault cpuid = 0 Uptime: 29m39s Physical memory: 2035 MB Dumping 152 MB: 137 121 105 89 73 57 41 25 9 #0 doadump () at pcpu.h:195 195 __asm __volatile("movl %%fs:0,%0" : "=r" (td)); -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (kgdb) list *0xc07cb876 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 0xc07cb876 is in vgonel (/usr/src/sys/kern/vfs_subr.c:990). 985 return; 986 MNT_ILOCK(mp); 987 vp->v_mount = NULL; 988 VNASSERT(mp->mnt_nvnodelistsize > 0, vp, 989 ("bad mount point vnode list size")); 990 TAILQ_REMOVE(&mp->mnt_nvnodelist, vp, v_nmntvnodes); 991 mp->mnt_nvnodelistsize--; 992 MNT_REL(mp); 993 MNT_IUNLOCK(mp); 994 } -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (kgdb) From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 21:53:33 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8FD1065746 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1C88FC1E for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 31302 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 21:20:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 21:20:09 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 15:53:30 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:53:33 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > Disc1 is full. What do you suggest should be removed from disk1 to > make space for the above? I see. I was thinking of FreeBSD 7.0 whose disc1 is 509 MB in size, leaving almost 200 MB free for a standard 700 MB CD. Q: Has FreeBSD 7.1 REALLY filled up 189 MB with bug fixes and new hardware support? Ubuntu 8.04 has room for the linux kernel, for GCC, for tons of packages including almost all of OpenOffice 2.2.1 (which is HUGE), GIMP, Firefox, X of course, and quite a few other things on their 700 MB CD, including support for lots of new hardware that BSD does not have. BSD has source code -- which I personally would rather have than GIMP, etc. -- but do the sources take up that much room? They take 70-80 MB, but the bulk of that is already included in the above 509 MB of 7.0 disc1. (BTW, having full sources as part of FreeBSD is in my opinion one of the coolest features of BSD so that should NEVER be compromised.) So, I where the BSD free space is going?? Here is a quick list (not exhaustive or definitive) of the libraries that Firefox 3.0 requires, and their sizes in bytes: 3969 firefox 8332 firefox-bin 1080753 libX11.so.6 9564 libXcomposite.so.1 40524 libXcursor.so.1 9040 libXdamage.so.1 64848 libXext.so.6 18716 libXfixes.so.3 37019 libXi.so.6 9279 libXinerama.so.1 26618 libXrandr.so.2 35933 libXrender.so.1 132271 libatk-1.0.so.0 478869 libcairo.so.2 204002 libfontconfig.so.1 341460 libfreebl3.so 514577 libfreetype.so.9 603150 libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 102751 libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 760129 libglib-2.0.so 13540 libgmodule-2.0.so.0 251326 libgobject-2.0.so.0 3930035 libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 592012 libmozjs.so 238383 libnspr4.so.1 1140648 libnss3.so 324468 libnssckbi.so 113912 libnssdbm3.so 86560 libnssutil3.so 262000 libpango-1.0.so.0 37947 libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 163539 libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 213877 libplc4.so.1 209648 libplds4.so.1 145260 libsmime3.so 210076 libsoftokn3.so 409876 libsqlite3.so 180320 libssl3.so 13296 libxpcom.so 14678048 libxul.so These total 27696575 bytes or 26.4 MB. Notice this includes some of X (but I am sure some of these libraries include other libraries that are not included in this total. This is not a full DAG analysis.) Firefox also links to libc, libz, libm and other common libs, but they are part of the base system so they are not on this list. Compressed using tar czpf (gzip) these files occupy 11003400 bytes or 10.5 MB. Compressed using tar cjpf (bzip) these files occupy 10124743 bytes or 9.7 MB! Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 22:09:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15451065688 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phill@sysctl.net) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8B98FC13 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:09:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phill@sysctl.net) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so1216670eyi.7 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.104.20 with SMTP id b20mr10714464ebc.127.1220477941685; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.43.4 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 14:39:01 -0700 From: "Phillip Salzman" To: Kevin In-Reply-To: <000b01c90e0b$eba99b40$c2fcd1c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <000b01c90e0b$eba99b40$c2fcd1c0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:09:17 -0000 I second that FreeBSD is a server OS, but do sympathize with what Dan has mentioned. Opening new audiences of course starts with a quick install on a desktop or laptop. An easy answer would be to put the web-browser and such the first disk, but I don't think it would solve anything. If it kept with those, FreeBSD would find itself just moving towards the same work being done at PC-BSD, wouldn't it? Phillip Salzman On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Kevin wrote: > > The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that FreeBSD > > was AS compelling in its first install experience. At present it is > > far, far behind. > > > > That does not stop ME from preferring FreeBSD, but it stops many other > > people. > > > FreeBSD is primarily a server oriented operating system, while ubuntu is > geared (from a development and design perspective) towards the desktop > market. > > This is the primary reason why you are experiencing this. > > > ~k > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 22:43:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0EC1065675 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:43:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3F688FC14 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 25094 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 22:10:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 22:10:23 -0000 From: Dan Allen To: Steven Hartland In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net><48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:43:45 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:43:48 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steven Hartland wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Allen" > > >> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want >> to use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. >> They at least want a web browser out of the box. > > For some, but for others like ourselves here we really don't want all > that bloat. One of the reasons we really like it is its perfect for > server installs, no crap installed that you don't want :) Agreed, but if you go back to earlier versions of FreeBSD they gave you an install option for just binaries, or binaries + sources, or binaries + sources + X Windows. I am proposing something similar once again, but this time if would be enough of X, a small window manager, and Firefox so a basic windowing environment was able to be installed, from the CD, with a single choice. I doubt many developers are really browsing the web all day with lynx. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 22:58:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FB71065671 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E8F78FC1C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 22:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED5A3130C3A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:58:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at madpilot.net Received: from megatron.madpilot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (megatron.madpilot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gEgAkhCFEMcX; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from anakin.madpilot.net (anakin.madpilot.net [172.24.42.10]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:58:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BF1694.9010108@madpilot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:58:28 +0200 From: Guido Falsi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Allen References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net><48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Steven Hartland Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:58:32 -0000 Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steven Hartland wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Allen" >> >>> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want >>> to use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. >>> They at least want a web browser out of the box. >> >> For some, but for others like ourselves here we really don't want all >> that bloat. One of the reasons we really like it is its perfect for >> server installs, no crap installed that you don't want :) > > Agreed, but if you go back to earlier versions of FreeBSD they gave you > an install option for just binaries, or binaries + sources, or binaries > + sources + X Windows. Last time I installed from CD (I have made some manual installs from livefs lately because this gives me more options for disk layouts(gjournal/gmirror for example) ) there was an option to install X and other ports. Never used it though. > > I am proposing something similar once again, but this time if would be > enough of X, a small window manager, and Firefox so a basic windowing > environment was able to be installed, from the CD, with a single > choice. I doubt many developers are really browsing the web all day > with lynx. > The choice is there I think, It just requires you to swap CDs. It's of little use to newbies though, you still need to customize rc.conf and other bits. Also, FreeBSD is still a little download compared to other systems. I would not like to download a multiGB distribution when what I need is just base system + sources, to build everything up from there. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 23:01:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9EF106566C for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:01:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBBF8FC19 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 1718 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 22:28:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 22:28:09 -0000 Message-Id: <0497DBEF-6DC8-4DDD-9ED4-EAD9188D660C@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, phill@sysctl.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:01:31 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:01:34 -0000 Phillip Salzman wrote: > An easy answer would be to put the web-browser and such the first > disk, but > I don't think it would solve anything. If it kept with those, > FreeBSD would > find itself just moving towards the same work being done at PC-BSD, > wouldn't > it? When I see almost 200 MB free on disc1 of 7.0, and I remember the handy apps & pkgs which used to be on past releases of FreeBSD, I do not see it as moving towards PC-BSD as much as I see it as going back to what FreeBSD used to have just a few releases ago. In truth, for workstations and laptops at least, most of us do want a web browser. Not having a decent web browser out of the box in 2008 after 15 years of web browser development gives BSD a really archaic look and feel. We all know that BSD is the best, most solid OS out there - but occasionally we need to do a bit of marketing, we need to show our stuff to let others see that "we get it". Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 23:04:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA4E106566B for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC2E8FC19 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:04:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 3035 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 22:30:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 22:30:49 -0000 Message-Id: <1364EE81-0BD1-4F7D-9B83-2C92E1A22AD7@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Guido Falsi In-Reply-To: <48BF1694.9010108@madpilot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:04:11 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net><48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <48BF1694.9010108@madpilot.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Steven Hartland Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:04:13 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 4:58 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: > Also, FreeBSD is still a little download compared to other systems. > I would not like to download a multiGB distribution when what I need > is just base system + sources, to build everything up from there. I do not want to download a big multi GB distro either. If you however could see how much cool stuff Ubuntu has in their single CD, you would be very impressed. (See my earlier mail.) We can do much better. Dan PS - back in the BSD 4.0-5.0 timeframe rc.conf got setup by the installer for you so that you could get X up and going without much hassle at all. 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Have the PCBSD or FreesBIE guys somehow altered things in an untrustworthy or unprofessional way? How are these releases any different than Ubuntu, or Fedora, or SuSE, or _every_single_linux_release_in_existance? Surely you don't get your linux kernel from kernel.org and then go assemble the rest of the OS from the source -- from the main team -- do you? Having derivative releases like FreeSBIE and PCBSD and others is an excellent way to make the release process scalable and able to meet the wants and needs to different users, yourself included. In fact, I think it's an utter waste of time for the FreeBSD release team to worry about packages on disc1 and whatnot. That needs to be done by teams who can focus on doing that task and doing it well. The FreeBSD releases need to become bare-bones references for others to build on an repackage and grow and improve. That's already started, but the efforts of those teams needs to be highlighted and given more, dare I say it, respect. They are the future that will bring FreeBSD to a wider audience. They need to be treated as first-class developers and members of the FreeBSD family; the "official" freebsd.org releases need to relegated to being just bare-bones bits that are there for others to bring to the masses. Go give these releases a try. They do an excellent job of packaging and installing exactly the stuff that you've mentioned that you want. Scott From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 3 23:55:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6B01066244 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:55:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E998FC08 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:55:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.sonicboom.org [127.0.0.1]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m83NsxvG075155; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Message-ID: <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:54:59 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Allen References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2008 23:55:09 -0000 I always do the minimal install over the net. I got X working in 7-stable by doing the minimal install, then the following. pkg_add -r xorg pkg_add -r portupgrade portupgrade -NRP kde pkg_add -r tightvnc. I then edited the vnc config file in my homedir, it was really pretty easy on a dual core AM2 system using the AMD64 version. Now, on my P3 Celeron, this was a LOT slower. Brian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:08:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED26F10666B7 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.ht-systems.ru (mr0.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9508FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [85.21.245.235] (helo=stal.SpringDaemons.com) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Kb1v9-0006UP-IC; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:37:55 +0400 Received: from stal.SpringDaemons.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stal.SpringDaemons.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 99B0322808; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:40:10 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:40:10 +0400 From: Stanislav Sedov To: Dan Allen Message-Id: <20080904034010.ff1e541e.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <0497DBEF-6DC8-4DDD-9ED4-EAD9188D660C@airwired.net> References: <0497DBEF-6DC8-4DDD-9ED4-EAD9188D660C@airwired.net> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, phill@sysctl.net Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:08:56 -0000 --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 17:01:31 -0600 Dan Allen mentioned: > Phillip Salzman wrote: > > An easy answer would be to put the web-browser and such the first =20 > > disk, but > > I don't think it would solve anything. If it kept with those, =20 > > FreeBSD would > > find itself just moving towards the same work being done at PC-BSD, =20 > > wouldn't > > it? >=20 > When I see almost 200 MB free on disc1 of 7.0, and I remember the =20 > handy apps & pkgs which used to be on past releases of FreeBSD, I do =20 > not see it as moving towards PC-BSD as much as I see it as going back =20 > to what FreeBSD used to have just a few releases ago. > In truth, for workstations and laptops at least, most of us do want a =20 > web browser. Not having a decent web browser out of the box in 2008 =20 > after 15 years of web browser development gives BSD a really archaic =20 > look and feel. We all know that BSD is the best, most solid OS out =20 > there - but occasionally we need to do a bit of marketing, we need to =20 > show our stuff to let others see that "we get it". > Dan >=20 I don't think the the problem really is in including the web browser, or X11 or not. All of us have different preferences on which soft we want to have on the first CD. That is I won't probably want a web browser when installing the server, but php, ruby and nginx instead. I think, that the current set of packages for the first CD is reasonable enough. The real problem is that our installation program isn't flexible enough and, truly speaking, obsolete. There're several programs of preparing the new generation installation system for FreeBSD, and after it's finished we'll probably able to prepare target-oriented CD sets, e.g. one for server installs, one for workstations, etc. It should be also good enough to allow you easily install any software you want whatever way you prefer. --=20 Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki/IFoACgkQK/VZk+smlYF80ACeOoVN/MXnQSrLR3erMlX/pwE6 U98AnRW8Ohvx1aTGYPsjjOkvr1nKkyL0 =C8Sg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_40_10_+0400_+LctDYYbvBTlSYXp-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:08:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4CE10666BB for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.ht-systems.ru (mr0.ht-systems.ru [78.110.50.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC018FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stas@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [85.21.245.235] (helo=stal.SpringDaemons.com) by smtp.ht-systems.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Kb209-0006ZE-6g; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:43:05 +0400 Received: from stal.SpringDaemons.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stal.SpringDaemons.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 403D222808; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:45:20 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:45:19 +0400 From: Stanislav Sedov To: chris#@1command.com Message-Id: <20080904034519.96acd326.stas@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20080902122551.jfly404kcg00o40w@webmail.1command.com> References: <20080902104943.71ub86qsussgoo80@webmail.1command.com> <20080902190919.GE86609@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080902122551.jfly404kcg00o40w@webmail.1command.com> Organization: The FreeBSD Project X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_45_19_+0400_C+WXRD2bBRI5cbEP" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it safe to delete /bin/[ && /usr/bin/false? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:08:57 -0000 --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_45_19_+0400_C+WXRD2bBRI5cbEP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:25:51 -0700 chris#@1command.com mentioned: >=20 > Good. Perhaps you (or anyone) can suggest how I might debug /when/where/ > these eval are called. I could use /usr/bin/script, but not sure how to > (e)grep the culprit(s). >=20 Try to find the exact script which causes this (it'd be pretty easy if you could find a port with this error reproducible). Then you will be able to track the problem down by inserting a couple of echos/exits in the offending script and observing the result. --=20 Stanislav Sedov ST4096-RIPE --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_45_19_+0400_C+WXRD2bBRI5cbEP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki/IZAACgkQK/VZk+smlYGDnACgg1tEjyb58jfT2IoUOKOPlUMq b8oAnAtcC5wai5u9lkqLR3VsDmPmxsH5 =1fVX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Thu__4_Sep_2008_03_45_19_+0400_C+WXRD2bBRI5cbEP-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:18:57 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D2E1067264 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D418FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:18:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 6425 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 23:45:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 23:45:32 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <48BF1F70.4020509@samsco.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:18:55 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <48BF1F70.4020509@samsco.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:18:57 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:36 PM, Scott Long wrote: > What's wrong with "downstream"? I can crash most Linux distributions in an hour. Your examples are just why I like FreeBSD and why I do not like or normally use Linux. I only grabbed Ubuntu recently because there is ZERO net access from FreeBSD on my new Dell laptop. Linux to me is too random. FreeBSD has always appealed to me because it has a higher quality bar, more structure to it (like /usr/src/ and its sweet buildworld), and it does not include every possible gadget in it. I know that my proposing the addition of Firefox to disc1 may be seen as "every possible gadget" but having a web browser is pretty important these days. > Having derivative releases like FreeSBIE and PCBSD and others is an > excellent way to make the release process scalable and able to meet > the > wants and needs to different users, yourself included. In fact, I > think > it's an utter waste of time for the FreeBSD release team to worry > about > packages on disc1 and whatnot. That needs to be done by teams who can > focus on doing that task and doing it well. The FreeBSD releases need > to become bare-bones references for others to build on an repackage > and > grow and improve. That's already started, but the efforts of those > teams needs to be highlighted and given more, dare I say it, respect. > They are the future that will bring FreeBSD to a wider audience. They > need to be treated as first-class developers and members of the > FreeBSD > family; the "official" freebsd.org releases need to relegated to being > just bare-bones bits that are there for others to bring to the masses. You have good arguments here. You state -- very correctly -- that derivative release teams need to be "treated as first-class developers and members of the FreeBSD family". But are they treated so? Can larger audiences of developers be entertained while maintaining FreeBSD's stability? FreeBSD has as one of its great strengths a small set of developers and a release process that seems to deliver a more reliable product than Linux, at least in my experience. The fewer people that mess with the bits, the more stability delivered. Obviously the other side of the coin is that if not enough people mess with the bits then not enough features and hardware support will exist and the product will be irrelevant. Finding the sweet spot is hard. If derivative release teams are modeled after FreeBSD core -- good checkin structure, a few solid contributors rather than teaming hordes of inexperienced programmers -- then perhaps that is the way to go. If they do not have the structure, process, and experience, then it should be done by the mainline team. For me, as long as ANY packages are shipped on disc1, then I think they should be the right ones, and my hunch is that there should be just a few packages and their dependencies: rsync, perl and firefox. Firefox of course will drag in a bunch of stuff (X.org,atk,gtk...). (Actually rsync should become part of the main distro. It is so incredibly useful, but that is just one man's opinion.) This is a good dialog to have. I do not know if this is the right list for it, and I certainly do not want to mess up 7.1. Perhaps none of this can be ironed out in time for 7.1 and it will have to wait for 7.2. That is fine. Whose job is it to decide on the packages for a release? I have spent a non-zero amount of time looking for specifications or design plans for releases and have been unable to find them. Thanks to everyone today for your comments! Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:19:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E0FC1067C78 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:19:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FAC8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:19:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1220486364; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=U+2gLiSyAbIwyib1tr0KCXSQFWQ=; b=UIgI5uHetYLc4Xaty3dLmULZHp5WVd3p/k25j16VbzI6J0iHgsxb4FFOv9HmvyYZ ehwl+KWAtJBe0WMWnAWciuocbxehtMEH8JlodfsMX6t//ZKI1pnWWt4YGL4JVwBU; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XdbUAXaRbxR5PPWGiGcA:9 a=cloDbsMF8ho2Fxsp0Q4t5sL8HT8A:4 a=1rXaml6zMYEA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rpratt1950@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [74.4.78.58] ([74.4.78.58:65357] helo=kt.weeeble.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.33 r(25932/25934)) with ESMTPA id AD/4C-12402-BD42FB84; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:59:24 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:59:22 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: Dan Allen Message-Id: <20080903195922.eee0b5ad.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:19:26 -0000 On Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:43:45 -0600 Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 3:11 PM, Steven Hartland wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Allen" > > > > > >> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want > >> to use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. > >> They at least want a web browser out of the box. > > > > For some, but for others like ourselves here we really don't want all > > that bloat. One of the reasons we really like it is its perfect for > > server installs, no crap installed that you don't want :) > > Agreed, but if you go back to earlier versions of FreeBSD they gave > you an install option for just binaries, or binaries + sources, or > binaries + sources + X Windows. > > I am proposing something similar once again, but this time if would be > enough of X, a small window manager, and Firefox so a basic windowing > environment was able to be installed, from the CD, with a single > choice. I doubt many developers are really browsing the web all day > with lynx. If I understand correctly, you've described some problems with wireless and ethernet hardware on FreeBSD 7. Others have mentioned that it seems to work on FreeBSD 6. It might be worth setting up two partitions with one for 6 and the other for 7 so that you can work with the developers to resolve the problems on 7. As a desktop user, you may not even notice the differences between 6 and 7. I think this is probably worth the time to pursue since developers usually can't easily fix problems for hardware they don't have. The content of the installation disks has been discussed in the past but I don't remember anything conclusive coming out of it. I personally quit using packages around 3.x. It was too easy to introduce problems mixing packages and compiling ports so everything is now built from source and updated daily. The ports/packages are actually not part of FreeBSD but are third-party applications. I've often thought that the packages on the installation disks should really be split to a separate project which produces package disks. This would lessen the burden on the Release Engineers and perhaps the cycle time between releases. It should also be noted that the useful life of a package is limited and outdated very quickly. For my own taste, it would be a bit annoying to have any port/package installed by default. Randy -- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:28:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869AE1067CA6 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651398FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 10534 invoked by uid 89); 3 Sep 2008 23:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 3 Sep 2008 23:55:21 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Brian , Randy Pratt In-Reply-To: <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 18:28:44 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:28:46 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:54 PM, Brian wrote: > I always do the minimal install over the net. I got X working in 7- > stable by doing the minimal install, then the following. > > pkg_add -r xorg > pkg_add -r portupgrade > portupgrade -NRP kde > pkg_add -r tightvnc. On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:59 PM, Randy Pratt wrote: > The ports/packages are actually not part of FreeBSD but are third- > party > applications. I've often thought that the packages on the > installation > disks should really be split to a separate project which produces > package disks. This would lessen the burden on the Release Engineers > and perhaps the cycle time between releases. It should also be > noted that the useful life of a package is limited and outdated very > quickly. Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, which may be the way to go. It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are net-centric (like firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need the net to be useful. I often forget about pkg_add -r because I build everything from source myself, but just a prompted dialog offering a few of the most common and popular apps like: * kde or gnome * firefox or xxx_browser * vnc * openoffice via pkg_add -r might be a very simple solution (no disk impact to speak of) and perhaps could even be determined by a look at which pkgs are installed the most from server logs (not dynamically, but just as a way of offering common pkgs). Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 00:36:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3818A1067FCC for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21C7E8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 00:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from [10.66.240.106] (public-wireless.sv.svcolo.com [64.13.135.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m83NulF3099191; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:56:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.964 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.964 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=0.476] Message-Id: <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> From: Jo Rhett To: Ken Smith In-Reply-To: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 16:56:42 -0700 References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 00:36:34 -0000 Where can one find the expected EoL for these releases? I've poked around the website and can't find any notes mentioning this, although several people have been making posts suggesting that people should review the EoL schedule when planning their upgrades. On Aug 22, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Ken Smith wrote: > We're about to start the release cycle for FreeBSD-7.1 and > FreeBSD-6.4. > The proposed schedule for the "major events" of the cycle is: > > Freeze August 29 > BETA September 1 > Branch September 6 > 6.4-RC1 September 8 > 7.1-RC1 September 15 > 6.4-RC2 September 22 > 7.1-RC2 September 29 > 6.4-REL October 6 > 7.1-REL October 13 > > I haven't posted the schedule on the Web site yet, I'll try to get > that > done over the weekend. > > On Monday I'll switch RELENG_7 and RELENG_6 over to say they are > 7.1-PRERELEASE and 6.4-PRERELEASE respectively as a heads-up that > there > will likely be higher-than-normal developer activity MFC-ing stuff > before code freeze starts. Odds get higher that if you do updates > using > RELENG_7/RELENG_6 branches during this period you *might* wind up > with a > tree that isn't quite right because you happened to catch it part way > through a developer doing a multi-step commit. > > We had been procrastinating on saying definitively whether we thought > 6.4-REL would be the last of the RELENG_6 releases to see how well > things went with 7.X (if 7.0-REL was a total disaster we'd have > considered doing a 6.5-REL). It seems that 7.0-REL went well and > RELENG_7 in general seems to be in good shape so we now expect 6.4-REL > to be the last of the RELENG_6 releases. > > Thanks. > > -- > Ken Smith > - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu > there, funny things are everywhere. | > - Theodore Geisel | > -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 01:02:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9850E1069C20 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aragon@phat.za.net) Received: from mail.geek.sh (decoder.geek.sh [196.36.198.81]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B56B8FC08 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 01:02:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aragon@phat.za.net) Received: by mail.geek.sh (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 34BBA24D22; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:02:39 +0200 (SAST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 03:02:39 +0200 From: Aragon Gouveia To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904010239.GA45270@phat.za.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080903195825.GC28299@atarininja.org> <55EA18D2-E017-4426-9377-1FC113ED83D2@airwired.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55EA18D2-E017-4426-9377-1FC113ED83D2@airwired.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE-p2 i386 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:02:41 -0000 | By Dan Allen | [ 2008-09-03 23:06 +0200 ] > FreeBSD from the machine and installed Ubuntu 8.04. I therefore > cannot run "pciconf -l" at this moment in time, but I may get back > around to it. lspci ? Regards, Aragon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 02:56:19 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18E910663CB for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 02:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831F68FC5A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 02:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so1252615eyi.7 for ; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:56:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jyO1LFlC6z20kdz1yZSETJGE6RI2qYw/kULZ4jwfF7k=; b=vQtBTsSA+MOnBeJea0pnc0IIpEFXEsoQypeyzvsCEaJBsv48eSzC4vj9C5ACUDdSs6 9sU0MUgTDuLZqoie7S2YfEPEsa602uF4cox3X5CqlQ0l090FVLf+OWbfPSTRugpApRTH 9O5JTx6wlvesE+89hBXUoNR70dioc8EvUAxRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=gpkevD9pUYovr9NYXHtyBPdkEdaEODiZXgfzlcLrBjX0GDbrKSekEAkdsCTVUHz3A+ iTmKKrLUdEu42ydwDoBrnwn4z12k2/3EwkMi7WsQgZCofNEI8FuwFuqhchTuaMgObufB j8cBGcZcLj2CkZjbY+onSqdRKbKkSLiEkr9Rk= Received: by 10.210.23.3 with SMTP id 3mr11117890ebw.41.1220495125385; Wed, 03 Sep 2008 19:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.210.53.15 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 19:25:25 -0700 From: "Kurt Buff" To: "Dan Allen" In-Reply-To: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:56:20 -0000 Google for freesbie, or perhaps PC-BSD On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Dan Allen wrote: > BACKGROUND: > > A few years ago one could get a FreeBSD CD and install X and get a decent > basic system from one CD. > > One can still do this with Ubuntu today as well. > > Why can't we have a small window manager like icewm along with Firefox 3.0+ > be among the packages on the first FreeBSD CD so a basic working system with > a web browser can be a default install? Is it that X.org is now too big? > > I have been a FreeBSD user/builder for more than a decade because of > /usr/src/make - complete sources and a beautiful build system, but I must > admit that Ubuntu has done a great job of modern hardware detection and > providing a nice useable system out of the box. I wish we could join both > worlds in a future BSD release. (I crashed Ubuntu 8.04 in the first day so > I still prefer BSD to Linux.) > > Also, and I am sure I am not the only one with one of these, my new $500 > Dell Inspiron 1525 is not supported well by BSD RELENG_7: the Intel 4965 > wireless and the Marvell 88E80xx Ethernet are both NOT supported so I have a > great new laptop which cannot connect to the outside world with BSD. :-( > Ubuntu supports these and lots more. > > SUMMARY: > > I would like to see FreeBSD 7.1 add to its disc1: > > 1) X.org > 2) icewm > 3) firefox-3.0 > 4) support for Intel 4965 wireless drivers > 5) support for Marvell 88E8040 ethernet driver > > Dan Allen > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 04:45:28 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1061065672 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:45:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nathan@datanode.com) Received: from ns1.datanode.com (static-66-13-158-11.bdsl.verizon.net [66.13.158.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34B18FC15 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 04:45:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nathan@datanode.com) Received: from dni-mail.datanode.com (dni-mail.datanode.com [172.23.1.17]) by ns1.datanode.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m844O9Gg022921 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nathan@datanode.com) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 21:24:04 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Upcoming Releases Schedule... Thread-Index: AckOO31I4gK4WdiIQqS+o2wGLcrj9wACamaQ References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> From: "Nathan Way" To: "Jo Rhett" , "Ken Smith" X-Datanode-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Datanode-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Datanode-MailScanner-From: nathan@datanode.com Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: RE: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 04:45:28 -0000 >=20 > Where can one find the expected EoL for these releases? I've poked > around the website and can't find any notes mentioning this, although > several people have been making posts suggesting that people should > review the EoL schedule when planning their upgrades. http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#supported-branches To quote from the above web site: Branch Release Type Release Date Estimated EoL RELENG_6 n/a n/a n/a January 31, 2010 RELENG_6_3 6.3-RELEASE Extended January 18, 2008 January 31, 2010 RELENG_7 n/a n/a n/a last release + 2 years RELENG_7_0 7.0-RELEASE Normal February 27, 2008 February 28, 2009 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 05:13:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D48106566C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCC78FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0K6N00IOXNTQSBE0@osl1smout1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:13:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kg-work.kg4.no ([80.202.72.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-3.01 (built Jul 12 2007; 32bit)) with SMTP id <0K6N00859NTLV3F1@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:13:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:12:57 +0200 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-id: <20080904071257.b42ab922.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-reply-to: References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq; m"_0v; ~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:13:04 -0000 On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 15:01:48 -0600 Dan Allen wrote: > The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that > FreeBSD was AS compelling in its first install experience. At > present it is far, far behind. Well, do you really want all those people who can't even read to be FreeBSD users? (Not aiming at Ubuntu users here) Personally, I think that the FreeBSD learning curve is a good thing, it means that FreeBSD users wil know more about FreeBSD when they get it running. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 06:20:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9164106564A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823698FC21 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:20:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.19]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AVvW1a0090QuhwU59WLuqj; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:20:54 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AWLr1a0054v8bD73NWLr4m; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:20:52 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=dgL-YRx-YJHBYpnnPv4A:9 a=Yhj-ryjZLOghY0hV8D4A:7 a=Al1SLQuniVQqWog76GELllkzGOYA:4 a=w0b5ArVf_TUA:10 a=gWmOFBW1Y4AA:10 a=fgf5PR_cwQYA:10 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3587917B81A; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 23:20:53 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:20:55 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: > >> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try >> Freesbie or something like that? > > Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and > not something downstream. > >> If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this installation to live there >> for some years. I can spend some hours/days installing and configuring >> what I really need. At least this is the way I see it. Maybe I'm >> misunderstanding you. > > I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to > use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at > least want a web browser out of the box. I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but your assumption is ignorant. Why do you think FreeBSD is intended solely for desktop usage? It's not. I, for one, **only want a command prompt** out of the box. I **do not** want Xorg or any X-related garbage on my servers. > The Ubuntu install is very compelling. I am just wishing that FreeBSD > was AS compelling in its first install experience. At present it is > far, far behind. > > That does not stop ME from preferring FreeBSD, but it stops many other > people. I am in no way an "advocate" of operating systems, so despite me having freebsd.org mail address, do not think for a minute that what I'm about to tell you is biased in favour of FreeBSD. Use whatever operating system works best for you. If that's Linux, awesome! If that's FreeBSD, awesome! If that's Windows, awesome! Different people have different needs -- case in point, you want a simple and easy-to-install out-of-the-box desktop version of FreeBSD, while I want a no-cruft-like-X install server version of FreeBSD. FreeBSD caters to both. There's nothing stopping you from downloading disc1 and during the install choosing to install Firefox and X, which will accomplish what you need. You'll still be booted into a command prompt, but that's how UNIX is; FreeBSD is not Kubuntu. I think what you might be looking for is, believe it or not, PC-BSD. I believe you can install PC-BSD and get a working X desktop with a browser and all that jazz right out of the box. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 06:51:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E131065671 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:51:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9843A8FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 06:51:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D596130C3A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:51:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at madpilot.net Received: from megatron.madpilot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (megatron.madpilot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S2XuSyXy2FOG; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wedge.madpilot.net (wedge.madpilot.net [172.24.42.11]) by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:51:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BF8554.6060905@madpilot.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:51:00 +0200 From: Guido Falsi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080726) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Chadwick References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> In-Reply-To: <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:51:06 -0000 Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: >> >>> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try >>> Freesbie or something like that? >> Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and >> not something downstream. >> >>> If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this installation to live there >>> for some years. I can spend some hours/days installing and configuring >>> what I really need. At least this is the way I see it. Maybe I'm >>> misunderstanding you. >> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to >> use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at >> least want a web browser out of the box. > > I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but your assumption is > ignorant. Why do you think FreeBSD is intended solely for desktop > usage? It's not. > > I, for one, **only want a command prompt** out of the box. I **do not** > want Xorg or any X-related garbage on my servers. > I fully agree with this last statement. I choose freebsd for many reasons, and this is one of those, I tried a few linux distributions, and even slackware installs too much garbage if you're not looking closely at it. And n the way to providing a useful desktop system out of the box, I think no one can choose arbitrarily what to include and what not. Most people would find WM+FF[23] too little, some other would want some minimal gnome/kde, some others full blown gnome/kde (or other des for example) who's bound to choose? FreeBSD has always made a choice to be just an os, and a server oriented one. There are downstream distributions bundling full blown systems, and, as stated by others, the devel team has no time to spare, I think it should concentrate on that, and leave the desktop work to others. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 08:54:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8DAC1065674 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79BCA8FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:54:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c122-106-215-175.belrs3.nsw.optusnet.com.au [122.106.215.175]) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m848sFkk012518 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:54:16 +1000 X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m848sFAi024215; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:54:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m848sFDo024214; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:54:15 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:54:15 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:54:28 -0000 --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2008-Sep-03 15:53:30 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >I see. I was thinking of FreeBSD 7.0 whose disc1 is 509 MB in size, =20 >leaving almost 200 MB free for a standard 700 MB CD. I missed that the disc layous have been rearranged and disc1 is now somewhat emptier than when I last looked. However, you've missed a few points as well: 1) Currently, the contents of each disk is the same on each architecture. Changing this is possible but would be very confusing to users. sparc64 appears to be the largest and disk1 is over 600MB. 2) Traditionally, the ISO images have been sized to fit on 650MB CD-RWs. Maybe this should be revisited but during a release freeze is not the right time for that. 3) It's desirable to leave some slack so that a slight size increase in the final builds doesn't necessitate re-working the CD layouts. >Ubuntu 8.04 has room for [the kitchen sink] For most architectures, disc1 includes a live filesystem. This is very useful for recovery purposes. Since FreeBSD does not include cloop or similar compressed FS support, this takes a fair amount of space. And you've already pointed out that disc1 includes sources (which you want to keep). >Here is a quick list (not exhaustive or definitive) of the libraries =20 >that Firefox 3.0 requires, and their sizes in bytes: Note that you need to include the space needed by the packages for all the FF3 dependencies, not just the shared libraries. >These total 27696575 bytes or 26.4 MB. Including the full list of runtime dependencies, FF3 needs 120 packages, totalling 89MB (already bzip'd) on i386. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAki/ojcACgkQ/opHv/APuIei2ACeJBvR01LwuhyMoz2dWgMCgCHo pngAnjwaS37rgWAxRW2aFQIo6WupZFGn =A3Vj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s2ZSL+KKDSLx8OML-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 09:02:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE900106567C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:02:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838868FC20 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:02:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1KbAjp-0003tH-AU>; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:02:49 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1KbAjp-0000RX-9a>; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:02:49 +0200 Message-ID: <48BFA3B3.3050506@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:00:35 +0000 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080903) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Moench-Tegeder References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080902151456.GA1593@elch.haidundneu23.net> <48BE28F7.7030500@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080903063753.GA2120@reindeer.haidundneu23.net> <48BE388C.7050706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20080903193703.GA72896@elch.haidundneu23.net> In-Reply-To: <20080903193703.GA72896@elch.haidundneu23.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:02:50 -0000 Christoph Moench-Tegeder wrote: > ## O. Hartmann (ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de): > >> My box at home has an older NV6800GT and I do not have this special >> issue, but instead I do have another well known issue of box-freezing. >> This also happens with 'nv'. > > Whoa. Guess I'm lucky, as my nvidia chis is working, albeit quite > slowly. My radeonhd-based card at home is way faster, but exhibits > the same black-image-issue with firefox. > > Regards, > Christoph > The situation is harsh. More than 5 boxes running all the same card type and FreeBSD are simply unusuable since this upgrade and I'm typing blind due to black bars covering typed in sentences. This is in most clients which do font rendering, I guess, but I really don't know. That is clearly a mess and I do not understand why this sh..-driver has gone into ports while the issues with some chips are well known :-( From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 09:59:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874FD106566B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403A48FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:59:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0F542354; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:42:21 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mouhaha.de Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de ([78.47.10.193]) by localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZnjZJYJJwVxp; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:42:18 +0100 (BST) Received: by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 304E642344; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:42:18 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:42:18 +0100 From: Oliver Peter To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904094218.GB32453@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <32833CD6-DE00-4FDB-A01A-B86B0A25B3E4@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <32833CD6-DE00-4FDB-A01A-B86B0A25B3E4@airwired.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p3 amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:59:05 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx > > must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you please > > re-send them. > > I have not written patches, thus I did not send any patches. | `--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm Btw. my philosophy is if you would like to use your favourite open source operating system - which I guess is FreeBSD - on your new hardware, you should spend additional 15 minutes when you make the decision what hardware you are going to buy and check the specs with the "Hardware Notes" at http://www.freebsd.org/where.html. Complaining afterwards is easy but no one forces you to buy unsupported hardware. -- Oliver PETER, email: oliver@peter.de.com, ICQ# 113969174 "If it feels good, you're doing something wrong." -- Coach McTavish From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 10:16:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944C01065689 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:16:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E741E8FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:16:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m84AGZLV099897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:16:36 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <48BFB564.2000802@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:16:04 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:16:17 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On 2008-Sep-03 15:53:30 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> I see. I was thinking of FreeBSD 7.0 whose disc1 is 509 MB in size, >> leaving almost 200 MB free for a standard 700 MB CD. >> > > I missed that the disc layous have been rearranged and disc1 is now > somewhat emptier than when I last looked. However, you've missed a > few points as well: > 1) Currently, the contents of each disk is the same on each architecture. > Changing this is possible but would be very confusing to users. > sparc64 appears to be the largest and disk1 is over 600MB. > 2) Traditionally, the ISO images have been sized to fit on 650MB CD-RWs. > Maybe this should be revisited but during a release freeze is not > the right time for that. > 3) It's desirable to leave some slack so that a slight size increase in > the final builds doesn't necessitate re-working the CD layouts. > > >> Ubuntu 8.04 has room for [the kitchen sink] >> > > For most architectures, disc1 includes a live filesystem. This is > very useful for recovery purposes. Since FreeBSD does not include > cloop or similar compressed FS support, this takes a fair amount of > space. And you've already pointed out that disc1 includes sources > (which you want to keep). > > Actually FreeBSD does support a compressed (read only) filesystem, geom_uzip(4) This is used by freesbie if I remember rightly. However it does mean you cannot just mount and browse the install cd with the generic kernel, and I'd guess it bumps up the base system requirements. Vnce >> Here is a quick list (not exhaustive or definitive) of the libraries >> that Firefox 3.0 requires, and their sizes in bytes: >> > > Note that you need to include the space needed by the packages for all > the FF3 dependencies, not just the shared libraries. > > >> These total 27696575 bytes or 26.4 MB. >> > > Including the full list of runtime dependencies, FF3 needs 120 packages, > totalling 89MB (already bzip'd) on i386. > > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 11:34:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 954591065673 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from mail.ipeen.com.tw (mail.ipeen.com.tw [203.69.66.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6132F8FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from [192.168.1.49] (ipeen.dyndns.org [122.116.36.146]) by mail.ipeen.com.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4343FD97 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:18:44 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:18:37 +0800 From: Chih Liang User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:34:09 -0000 Dear all, I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE, but it is failed to boot after make kernel KERNCONF=GENERIC. I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default. After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at: Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec ad0: 38166MB at ata0-master UDMA100 I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed: Manual root filesystem specification: : Mount using filesystem eg. ufs:da0s1a ? List valid disk boot devices Abort manual input I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel again and again, but still not work. I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in 7.0-RELEASE. Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't have install cd... And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading! Regards, Chih Liang From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 11:40:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9995106566B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@incunabulum.net) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE82D8FC2B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bms@incunabulum.net) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF4D15D3C0 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 07:24:40 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: /Z7o3hYpl8C/t9R2U+HCO+Ve8AUsXRO0t3VX/X3bNM4J 1220527480 Received: from empiric.lon.incunabulum.net (82-35-112-254.cable.ubr07.dals.blueyonder.co.uk [82.35.112.254]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 298A422A3A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48BFC577.7000800@incunabulum.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:24:39 +0100 From: Bruce M Simpson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080514) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ACPI sleep broken on ASUS Vintage AH-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:40:55 -0000 Hi, Just noticed that when I try to ACPI-sleep an ASUS Vintage AH-1 based desktop system, that I get the following message: acpiconf: request sleep type (3) failed: Operation not supported Supported sleep states in sysctl: hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5 This is an amd64 uniprocessor system running 7.0-RELEASE. BIOS version is 0303 (last release), it is an AMI BIOS. I've seen S3 sleep work fine in Windows XP on this box. I would really like to be able to sleep this box rather than up/down it, as it's in my home, less noise, less power consumption etc. Any further info needed let me know. thanks! BMS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 11:43:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435D9106566C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.dowsley@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout015.mac.com (asmtpout015.mac.com [17.148.16.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCF78FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:43:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.dowsley@mac.com) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Received: from mac.com ([122.99.64.87]) by asmtp015.mac.com (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.03 (built Aug 7 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0K6O00GC15VHT700@asmtp015.mac.com> for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 04:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-id: <48BFC9C2.8020208@mac.com> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:42:58 +1000 From: Jeff Dowsley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> In-reply-to: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:43:13 -0000 Chih Liang wrote: > Dear all, > > I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to > 7.0-RELEASE, but it is failed to boot after make kernel KERNCONF=GENERIC. > I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default. > After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at: > > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > ad0: 38166MB at ata0-master UDMA100 Try selecting boot option 2, ACPI disabled. J > > > I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed: > > Manual root filesystem specification: > : Mount using filesystem > eg. ufs:da0s1a > ? List valid disk boot devices > Abort manual input > > I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or > "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working > > I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel > again and again, but still not work. > I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new > GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in > 7.0-RELEASE. > > Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't > have install cd... > > And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading! > > Regards, > Chih Liang > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 11:50:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498DF106566C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from mainframe.kkip.pl (kkip.pl [87.105.164.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85A88FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from [192.168.0.10] by mainframe.kkip.pl with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KbDM6-000PTD-EI; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:50:32 +0200 Message-ID: <48BFCB88.9050505@kkip.pl> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:50:32 +0200 From: Bartosz Stec User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chih Liang References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> In-Reply-To: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: admin@kkip.pl X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Spam-Score: -8.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: -88 X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 26-Jun-2008 18:19:28) X-Date: 2008-09-04 13:50:32 X-Connected-IP: 192.168.0.10:1933 X-Message-Linecount: 88 X-Body-Linecount: 74 X-Message-Size: 3895 X-Body-Size: 3324 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 2 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 2 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:50:34 -0000 Chih Liang pisze: > Dear all, > > I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to > 7.0-RELEASE, but it is failed to boot after make kernel KERNCONF=GENERIC. > I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default. > After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at: > > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > ad0: 38166MB at ata0-master UDMA100 > > I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed: > > Manual root filesystem specification: > : Mount using filesystem > eg. ufs:da0s1a > ? List valid disk boot devices > Abort manual input > > I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or > "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working > > I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel > again and again, but still not work. > I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new > GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in > 7.0-RELEASE. > > Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't > have install cd... > > And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading! > > Regards, > Chih Liang > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Did you make buildworld before buildkernel? If not, boot kernel.old ane follow these rules: 1. csup 7-stable sources (just to be sure) 2. rm -fR /usr/obj (just to be sure again) 3. make buildworld && make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC 4. make installkernel 5. reboot in single user mode 6. mergemaster -p 7. make installworld 8. mergemaster 9. make delete-old 10. make delete-old-libs Good luck! -- Bartosz Stec - specjalista ds. IT AUXILIA Spółka z o.o. ul. WaÅ‚brzyska 43/2 52-314 WrocÅ‚aw tel. (71) 79 99 760 w. 69 GSM: 662171775 E-Mail: admin@kkip.pl -- E-Mail Disclaimer Niniejsza wiadomosc oraz wszystkie zalaczone do niej pliki przeznaczone sa do wylacznego uzytku adresata i moga zawierac chronione lub poufne informacje. Przegladanie, wykorzystywanie, ujawnianie lub dystrybuowanie przez osoby do tego nieupowaznione jest zabronione. Jesli nie jest Pani/Pan wymienionym adresatem niniejszej wiadomosci, prosimy o niezwloczny kontakt z nadawca i usuniecie oryginalnej wiadomosci wraz ze zniszczeniem wszystkich jej kopii. 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From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 12:24:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B75106566C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:24:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [91.103.162.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2281E8FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:24:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from localhost (localhost.codelab.cz [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4980D19E027 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:24:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (r5bb235.net.upc.cz [86.49.61.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 838A819E02A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:24:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BFD38A.7090908@quip.cz> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:24:42 +0200 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: cz, cs, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <48BE45F1.4020409@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <48BE45F1.4020409@quip.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: external HDD disconnects - umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR (FreeBSD 6.3) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:24:18 -0000 I am sorry for the noise, it was caused by failure of enclosures power supply. Miroslav Lachman wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to use 1TB HDD (SAMSUNG HD103UJ) in external enclosure connected > by USB 2.0 to my old machine with FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p1 GENERIC i386. > > It connects OK, I can read & write to disk (shown as /dev/da1). > But my dd command test failed after 50 minutes: > > root@amanda ~/# dd if=/dev/da1 of=/dev/da1 bs=1m > dd: /dev/da1: Invalid argument > 20435+0 records in > 20435+0 records out > 21427650560 bytes transferred in 2963.876996 secs (7229602 bytes/sec) > > Usr: 0.092s Krnl: 10.689s Totl: 49:23.87s CPU: 0.3% swppd: 0 I/O: 0+0 > > relevant part of /var/log/messages > > Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: umass1: Sunplus Technology Co.,Ltd. USB > to Serial-ATA bridge, rev 2.00/1.12, addr 3 > Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1 at umass-sim1 bus 1 target 0 lun 0 > Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1: Fixed Direct > Access SCSI-2 device > Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1: 40.000MB/s transfers > Sep 2 20:06:15 amanda kernel: da1: 953869MB (1953525168 512 byte > sectors: 255H 63S/T 121601C) > Sep 2 20:06:46 amanda login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 > Sep 2 20:07:29 amanda ntpd[845]: kernel time sync enabled 6001 > Sep 2 20:24:32 amanda ntpd[845]: kernel time sync enabled 2001 > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, > IOERROR > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, > IOERROR > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-in clear stall failed, > IOERROR > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB bulk-out clear stall failed, > IOERROR > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: BBB reset failed, IOERROR > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: at uhub2 port 1 (addr 3) > disconnected > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: (da1:umass-sim1:1:0:0): lost device > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: (da1:dead_sim0:0:0:0): Synchronize cache > failed, status == 0x8, scsi status == 0x0 > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: (da1:dead_sim0:0:0:0): removing device entry > Sep 2 20:58:06 amanda kernel: umass1: detached [...] From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 12:27:47 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CED1065671 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from elsa.codelab.cz (elsa.codelab.cz [91.103.162.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E318FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from localhost (localhost.codelab.cz [127.0.0.1]) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DCBF19E02A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:27:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (r5bb235.net.upc.cz [86.49.61.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by elsa.codelab.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56C8519E027; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:27:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48BFD461.6070606@quip.cz> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:28:17 +0200 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050915 X-Accept-Language: cz, cs, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chih Liang References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> In-Reply-To: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:27:47 -0000 Chih Liang wrote: > Dear all, > > I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE, > but it is failed to boot after make kernel KERNCONF=GENERIC. > I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default. > After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at: > > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > ad0: 38166MB at ata0-master UDMA100 > > I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed: > > Manual root filesystem specification: > : Mount using filesystem > eg. ufs:da0s1a > ? List valid disk boot devices > Abort manual input > > I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or > "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working > > I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel > again and again, but still not work. > I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new > GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in > 7.0-RELEASE. > > Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't have > install cd... > > And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading! What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg) I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it can't boot even from 7.x CD) Miroslav Lachman From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 12:51:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1486106568C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (mail-gw1.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 621688FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-gw6.york.ac.uk (mail-gw6.york.ac.uk [144.32.129.26]) by mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m84CpU3B021509; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:51:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from buffy-128.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.160] helo=buffy.york.ac.uk) by mail-gw6.york.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KbEJ8-0004pL-M8; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:51:30 +0100 Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m84CpU3G094819; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:51:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m84CpU6e094818; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:51:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: buffy.york.ac.uk: ga9 set sender to gavin@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Gavin Atkinson To: Bruce M Simpson In-Reply-To: <48BFC577.7000800@incunabulum.net> References: <48BFC577.7000800@incunabulum.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:51:29 +0100 Message-Id: <1220532689.94705.4.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: gavin@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ACPI sleep broken on ASUS Vintage AH-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:51:35 -0000 On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 12:24 +0100, Bruce M Simpson wrote: > Hi, > > Just noticed that when I try to ACPI-sleep an ASUS Vintage AH-1 based > desktop system, that I get the following message: > acpiconf: request sleep type (3) failed: Operation not supported > > Supported sleep states in sysctl: > hw.acpi.supported_sleep_state: S1 S3 S4 S5 > > This is an amd64 uniprocessor system running 7.0-RELEASE. BIOS version > is 0303 (last release), it is an AMI BIOS. I've seen S3 sleep work fine > in Windows XP on this box. > > I would really like to be able to sleep this box rather than up/down it, > as it's in my home, less noise, less power consumption etc. Currently, suspend/resume is unsupported on FreeBSD/amd64, as nobody has yet written the amd64 equivalent of sys/i386/acpica/acpi_wakecode.S. NetBSD has this code, I'm not sure how easy it would be to port it over or if it would be easier to write it from scratch. Gavin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 13:07:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4541065676 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11D88FC28 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (ppp121-45-54-50.lns11.adl2.internode.on.net [121.45.54.50]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m84D7Jx7033501 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:37:19 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:37:05 +0930 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BFB564.2000802@unsane.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48BFB564.2000802@unsane.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1456481.6qY27hTzkz"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200809042237.13436.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.212 () BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , Vincent Hoffman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:07:34 -0000 --nextPart1456481.6qY27hTzkz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > Actually FreeBSD does support a compressed (read only) filesystem, > geom_uzip(4) This is used by freesbie if I remember rightly. > However it does mean you cannot just mount and browse the install cd > with the generic kernel, and I'd guess it bumps up the base system > requirements. You could, because geom_uzip is a module :) That said you _would_ duplicate things because what is on the live disk=20 is not in a form suitable for pkg_add'ing to the installed system. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart1456481.6qY27hTzkz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBIv92B5ZPcIHs/zowRAtOBAJ4+0PLPahqf0f9hJ+rC9FVrvoaPugCdGXXE dLfunCLTO5cZLwmB+/5c+YQ= =vvj0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1456481.6qY27hTzkz-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 13:13:38 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16101106564A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from unsane.co.uk (unsane-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f08:110::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 880958FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:13:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Received: from vhoffman-macbook.local (150.117-84-212.staticip.namesco.net [212.84.117.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by unsane.co.uk (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id m84DDsGl001471 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:13:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from vince@unsane.co.uk) Message-ID: <48BFDEF2.7050108@unsane.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:13:22 +0100 From: Vincent Hoffman User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel O'Connor" References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BFB564.2000802@unsane.co.uk> <200809042237.13436.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200809042237.13436.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:13:38 -0000 Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2008, Vincent Hoffman wrote: > >> Actually FreeBSD does support a compressed (read only) filesystem, >> geom_uzip(4) This is used by freesbie if I remember rightly. >> However it does mean you cannot just mount and browse the install cd >> with the generic kernel, and I'd guess it bumps up the base system >> requirements. >> > > You could, because geom_uzip is a module :) > > That said you _would_ duplicate things because what is on the live disk > is not in a form suitable for pkg_add'ing to the installed system. > > Indeed, putting the already compressed package files in a compressed disk would be unlikely to save much space either. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 13:14:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C191065670 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce@alaska.net) Received: from hermes.acsalaska.net (hermes.acsalaska.net [209.112.173.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D69C8FC28 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:14:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from royce@alaska.net) Received: from [192.168.254.100] (66-230-106-150-rb1.nwc.dsl.dynamic.acsalaska.net [66.230.106.150]) by hermes.acsalaska.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m84DEaBx000933 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 05:14:36 -0800 (AKDT) (envelope-from royce@alaska.net) Message-ID: <48BFDF48.1090203@alaska.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 05:14:48 -0800 From: Royce Williams User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080708 Lightning/0.8 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ACS-Spam-Status: no X-ACS-Scanned-By: MD 2.63; SA 3.2.3; spamdefang 1.122 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:14:37 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote, on 9/4/2008 12:54 AM: > 2) Traditionally, the ISO images have been sized to fit on 650MB CD-RWs. > Maybe this should be revisited but during a release freeze is not > the right time for that. Isn't there a little more room now by default? From the 7.0 release notes: The ISO images for FreeBSD are now sized for 700MB CDROM media. For most prior versions of FreeBSD, they assumed 650MB CDROM media. [MERGED] Royce -- Royce D. Williams - http://royce.ws/ The absence of alternatives clears the mind marvelously. -H. Kissinger From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 13:35:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF051065672 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A340E8FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 66ED05C2D; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:36:04 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: Nathan Way Message-ID: <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Jo Rhett , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:35:25 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:24:04PM -0700, Nathan Way wrote: > > > > Where can one find the expected EoL for these releases? I've poked > > around the website and can't find any notes mentioning this, although > > several people have been making posts suggesting that people should > > review the EoL schedule when planning their upgrades. > > http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#supported-branches > > To quote from the above web site: > > Branch Release Type Release Date Estimated EoL > RELENG_6 n/a n/a n/a January 31, 2010 > RELENG_6_3 6.3-RELEASE Extended January 18, 2008 January 31, 2010 > RELENG_7 n/a n/a n/a last release + 2 > years > RELENG_7_0 7.0-RELEASE Normal February 27, 2008 February 28, 2009 These are the existing releases. I believe Jo was looking for EoL for 7.1 and 6.4 once they are released. The answer to that is not clear - nor do I know if it should be clear yet. I don't know when the type of support decision is made, but I suspect it's not this early in the process. -- WXS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 13:42:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FD9106567A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4AD8FC25 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 768695C5B; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:43:05 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Randy Pratt , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Brian Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:42:26 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:54 PM, Brian wrote: > > > I always do the minimal install over the net. I got X working in 7- > > stable by doing the minimal install, then the following. > > > > pkg_add -r xorg > > pkg_add -r portupgrade > > portupgrade -NRP kde > > pkg_add -r tightvnc. > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 5:59 PM, Randy Pratt wrote: > > > The ports/packages are actually not part of FreeBSD but are third- > > party > > applications. I've often thought that the packages on the > > installation > > disks should really be split to a separate project which produces > > package disks. This would lessen the burden on the Release Engineers > > and perhaps the cycle time between releases. It should also be > > noted that the useful life of a package is limited and outdated very > > quickly. > > Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, which may be > the way to go. > > It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are net-centric (like > firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports > databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful > (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need the net to be > useful. No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to install firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is still necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right back to the very issue you are trying to solve. -- WXS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 13:58:05 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568D71065671 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antik@bsd.ee) Received: from sorbesgroup.com (mail.sorbesgroup.com [217.159.241.118]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8C08FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from antik@bsd.ee) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by sorbesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF313C50D25 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:26:38 +0300 (EEST) Received: from sorbesgroup.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sorbesgroup.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22739-04 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:26:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.0.80]) by sorbesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067B33C50D2C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:26:36 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <48BFE275.80207@bsd.ee> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:28:21 +0300 From: Andrei Kolu User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20080904085415.GG15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BFDF48.1090203@alaska.net> In-Reply-To: <48BFDF48.1090203@alaska.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at localhost Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:58:05 -0000 Royce Williams wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote, on 9/4/2008 12:54 AM: > >> 2) Traditionally, the ISO images have been sized to fit on 650MB CD-RWs. >> Maybe this should be revisited but during a release freeze is not >> the right time for that. >> > > Isn't there a little more room now by default? From the 7.0 release > notes: > > The ISO images for FreeBSD are now sized for 700MB CDROM media. For > most prior versions of FreeBSD, they assumed 650MB CDROM media. [MERGED] > > > Royce > > First: Do you realise that there are old computers still in use that can't read more than 650MB cd media in case some sudden upgrade needed? Second: Why there is no rescue environment available on 1st cd? It is really lame to pop in second "livecd" (why such a name is beyound me- there is nothing live there...). I'd suggest to remove ports tree from first cd (we are using csup and portsnap anyway?) and move it to second- leaving more important features to first one. Andrei Kolu IT-Juht From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:29:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E3D1065685 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from otlk@cons.ru) Received: from cons.ru (cons.ru [83.239.23.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E59F88FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:29:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from otlk@cons.ru) Received: (qmail 78799 invoked by uid 1184); 4 Sep 2008 14:03:05 -0000 Received: from 192.168.1.68 by cons.ru (envelope-from , uid 1010) with qmail-scanner-1.25-st-qms (clamdscan: 0.88.2/1536. spamassassin: 3.1.1. perlscan: 1.25-st-qms. Clear:RC:1(192.168.1.68):. Processed in 0.055949 secs); 04 Sep 2008 14:03:05 -0000 X-Antivirus-cons.ru-Mail-From: otlk@cons.ru via cons.ru X-Antivirus-cons.ru: 1.25-st-qms (Clear:RC:1(192.168.1.68):. Processed in 0.055949 secs Process 78793) Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (192.168.1.68) by cons.ru with SMTP; 4 Sep 2008 14:03:05 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:03:03 +0400 From: otlk@cons.ru X-Mailer: The Bat! (v4.0.14) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1238227334.20080904180303@cons.ru> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: aic-9405 Help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?windows-1251?B?zejq7uvg6SDD8Ojj7vD85eI=?= List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:29:49 -0000 Hello, Freebsd-stable! I wonder if there will be available the support for AIC-9405 in relises 7.0 or 6.4 Regards, Nic Grig --=20 mailto:otlk@cons.ru From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:34:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA36A106566C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4198FC1B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 29311 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 14:01:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 14:01:21 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Wesley Shields In-Reply-To: <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:34:54 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Randy Pratt , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Brian Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:34:56 -0000 On 4 Sep 2008, at 7:43 AM, Wesley Shields wrote: > No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to > install > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is > still > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us > right > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. No. You do NOT get my point. Firefox is (almost) worthless without an internet connection. It's whole purpose is to browse the internet. Therefore, if you are going to use firefox, you by definition have an internet connection, hence you have the ability to get firefox through this same internet connection. (This assumes fetch or wget or curl is around to get firefox.) Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:38:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDB010656DD for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:38:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net) Received: from office2.aipotu.nl (office2.aipotu.nl [194.123.169.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA958FC20 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:38:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net) X-H2O-MailScanner-Watermark: 1221143869.56734@IbsI8nn8wFLRKApQ9iH3eg Received: from hail.bengrimm.net (hail.bengrimm.net [86.90.159.11]) by office2.aipotu.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m84Ebjag082613 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: office2.aipotu.nl; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.i=@bengrimm.net; dkim-adsp=pass X-AIPOTU-FROM: X-AIPOTU-TO: X-AIPOTU-IP: hail.bengrimm.net [86.90.159.11] X-H2O-MailScanner-Watermark: 1221143845.73132@hYIqKFQk2E+6Uk3Z8W3fww Received: from benmobi.bengrimm.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hail.bengrimm.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m84EbMMX004372 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:37:25 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=bengrimm.net; s=libertas; t=1220539045; bh=2LoFc8hAjLKPIzq8ES9hT3JX0PgenJf88xOCrz OEqC4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SP8WWDVlxyvF 9DaCO0nu52eAWCEm/TBsmgGGZVs5tQ9fizMZyiqUbTuGRBdC07MNwP895Kjw0vm3yVz oHzfq6fD34/8726EeSSJesBFfxeQJS2qVgTSPuaKRvMQi8WsnWYzHdSJdKYzduHuupN wehjcHAIRGzjryg30PrpdzSbQ= X-HAIL-FROM: X-HAIL-TO: X-HAIL-IP: localhost [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <48BFF2A2.3010002@bengrimm.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:37:22 +0200 From: "Ben C. O. Grimm" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080816) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <1238227334.20080904180303@cons.ru> In-Reply-To: <1238227334.20080904180303@cons.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hail-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hail-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.398, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00) X-Hail-MailScanner-From: freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net X-MailScanner-ID: m84Ebjag082613 X-Aipotu-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Aipotu-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Aipotu-MailScanner-From: freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net Subject: Re: aic-9405 Help! X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:38:12 -0000 otlk@cons.ru wrote: > Hello, Freebsd-stable! > > I wonder if there will be available the support for AIC-9405 in > relises 7.0 or 6.4 > Regards, > Nic Grig http://www.mailinglistarchive.com/freebsd-drivers@freebsd.org/msg00346.html From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:39:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECB41065681; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@pingle.org) Received: from willow.pingle.org (willow.pingle.org [68.76.213.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA1528FC15; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@pingle.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by willow.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5267C11458; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pingle.org Received: from willow.pingle.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (willow.pingle.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z-4nLGEL5eSn; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hpcw.hpcisp.com [68.76.213.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jim) by willow.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8ED9811455; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:22:30 -0400 From: Jim Pingle User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wesley Shields References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> In-Reply-To: <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:39:25 -0000 Wesley Shields wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, which may be >> the way to go. >> >> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are net-centric (like >> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports >> databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful >> (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need the net to be >> useful. > > No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to install > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is still > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. Could this not also be resolved another way? Most desktops these days have DVD drives. If someone wants a bootable desktop-targeted release with X, Firefox and such, why not make that a DVD instead of trying to shoehorn all of this into a CD? Most of the older machines with aging CD-ROM drives or without a DVD drive may not have the horsepower to run a live CD with X anyhow. My servers only have CD-ROM drives, but then again they wouldn't be using a desktop-oriented live CD with X either. :-) Sure, the download would be (much?) larger, but you would have a lot more room to work with. The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years. Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup mirror, then use an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The packages on CD are out of date practically from the moment they are placed there, so I rarely use them. The only package I regularly used was cvsup-without-gui, which has been replaced by csup in the base system. Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much like FreeSBIE and PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare apples to apples, you might investigate those choices a little closer. Jim From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:41:26 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8C31065684 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39EE98FC30 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.59]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ad7x1a0211GXsucAAehRJD; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:41:25 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AehQ1a00D4v8bD78TehQZb; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:41:25 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=nMLPHJb6fiYboJyZ-loA:9 a=oIZdRNowynEeCM1_sDj5_qK1RTkA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2853D17B822; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 07:41:24 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Jim Pingle Message-ID: <20080904144124.GA19965@icarus.home.lan> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Wesley Shields , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Dan Allen Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:41:26 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:22:30AM -0400, Jim Pingle wrote: > Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much like FreeSBIE and > PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? Re: Ubuntu -- Yes, it is. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:45:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FB4106567B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 712128FC26 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 1490 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 14:11:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 14:11:28 -0000 Message-Id: <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:45:00 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:45:03 -0000 On 4 Sep 2008, at 12:20 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but your assumption is > ignorant. Why do you think FreeBSD is intended solely for desktop > usage? It's not. > > I, for one, **only want a command prompt** out of the box. I **do > not** > want Xorg or any X-related garbage on my servers. Jeremy - read the whole thread first. My assumption is NOT ignorant. I know that most people want just a command prompt. I myself live in command prompt mode on FreeBSD most of the time as well. I completely agree with you that there are many times when I do not want X.org anywhere around. I get that many people consider FreeBSD a server OS. I often tell people about how Yahoo and other big sites run on it. You may be interested to know, however, that some people ALSO use it as a desktop system. ;-) This is not trying to force anyone to have Firefox or Xorg. This is about options in the FreeBSD installer that USED to allow the OPTION of having X setup for you. This is about OPTIONS to install the single most widely used kind of software (a web browser) on the system in a simple, straightforward way. In the Standard Install there should be an option that says "Install Firefox & Xorg". It should be an OPTIONAL CHECK BOX, not a mandatory one, but it should allow a desktop scenario to be setup easily. If the disks are near full, or need to be uniform across processors, or whatever, then I am okay with not having all of X and Firefox on disc1 IF there was a simple set of "pkg_add -r" commands that could hidden behind a script or dialog which could fetch the necessary software over the internet and set it up (along with .conf files so X starts up reasonably well) so that a non-command line user could have a good first time experience. It was using Ubuntu that caused me to realize how far behind FreeBSD is on the desktop side, and how, with a SMALL AMOUNT of work and changes, it could make a big jump forward by this proposed simple addition. Heck, if nothing else the installer could simply say in a help screen, "if you want a web browser on your system, type 'pkg_add - r firefox' on your system and edit blah blah .conf blah". As it stands right now, however, there is very little in the install process which helps a user get X up and going with a browser. Thanks to everyone else for their comments. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:48:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6DFB1065670 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 884E58FC1D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:48:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 3578 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 14:15:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 14:15:14 -0000 Message-Id: <2FFE8E59-5CF1-4D65-BD6C-4ED8DE8FB14D@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Oliver Peter In-Reply-To: <20080904094218.GB32453@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:48:46 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <32833CD6-DE00-4FDB-A01A-B86B0A25B3E4@airwired.net> <20080904094218.GB32453@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:48:49 -0000 On 4 Sep 2008, at 3:42 AM, Oliver Peter wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> >>> Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx >>> must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you >>> please >>> re-send them. >> >> I have not written patches, thus I did not send any patches. > > | > `--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm > > Btw. my philosophy is if you would like to use your favourite open > source > operating system - which I guess is FreeBSD - on your new hardware, > you > should spend additional 15 minutes when you make the decision what > hardware > you are going to buy and check the specs with the "Hardware Notes" at > http://www.freebsd.org/where.html. > > Complaining afterwards is easy but no one forces you to buy > unsupported > hardware. Point taken. A $500 Dell laptop, however, will be a popular machine and sooner or later should be supported. You know I thought you were being sarcastic, but then I was not sure... Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:51:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D771C106564A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC018FC18 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:51:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 633785C2D; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:51:55 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904145155.GD1188@atarininja.org> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Randy Pratt , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Brian Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:51:15 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:34:54AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 4 Sep 2008, at 7:43 AM, Wesley Shields wrote: > > > No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to > > install > > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is > > still > > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us > > right > > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. > > No. You do NOT get my point. Firefox is (almost) worthless without > an internet connection. It's whole purpose is to browse the > internet. Therefore, if you are going to use firefox, you by > definition have an internet connection, hence you have the ability to > get firefox through this same internet connection. (This assumes > fetch or wget or curl is around to get firefox.) Firefox is not worthless without an internet connection. It can browse websites on networks not connected to the internet just fine. You seem to use it mostly on the internet at large, but don't assume the rest of the world does. Pushing firefox off the media is a bad idea. I've had scenarios in the past where I needed to stand up a machine with a browser on a physically isolated network. Having firefox on the media was very helpful in this case. Another scenario involves documentation which comes in HTML form. Why should I need an internet connection to get firefox just to read the documentation off my hard drive. Sure, I could use something else which can render the HTML but maybe I want to use firefox. This whole idea is a non-starter IMO. Although the install media suits my needs just fine I'm not naive enough to think it suits everyones needs just fine. There are projects mentioned in this thread already which are attempting to make the installer better and/or move to a DVD to ease some of the space constraints. If anyone wants to work on the problems outlined in this thread I think efforts are better spent on the sysinstall replacement projects going on and moving to a DVD. -- WXS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 14:58:30 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C700106566B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:58:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2528F8FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 8366 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 14:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 14:24:54 -0000 Message-Id: <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Jim Pingle In-Reply-To: <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:58:27 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Wesley Shields , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:58:30 -0000 On 4 Sep 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jim Pingle wrote: > The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years. > Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup mirror, > then use > an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The packages on > CD are > out of date practically from the moment they are placed there, so I > rarely > use them. The only package I regularly used was cvsup-without-gui, > which has > been replaced by csup in the base system. Okay, so how about for packages on the base CD: * cvsup-without-gui (I also always use this) * rsync * perl Then, since packages are always out-of-date, why not just skip the DVD and use the internet with a couple of check boxes at the end of the install, the way ports is treated now, that are just calls to pkg_add - r for: * KDE * GNOME * Firefox * ... whatever else are the most popular add-ons Fewer bits to be delivered via CD/DVD, and things are always up-to-date. > Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much like > FreeSBIE and > PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare apples to > apples, > you might investigate those choices a little closer. Touche. I had forgotten this. Perhaps this is why I was able to crash Ubuntu so quickly yesterday... ;-) I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all. The early BSD releases had a simple check box to add X support and it all just worked. That was COOL. That is what I am hoping to get back into BSD. I do not want to spill onto DVDs, remove the sources, get rid of command prompts, or force systems to have X.org on them... Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:07:37 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3E8106567F for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F008FC0A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:07:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 77792130C73; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0200 From: Guido Falsi To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904150736.GA35003@megatron.madpilot.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:07:37 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I > just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I > wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all. > > The early BSD releases had a simple check box to add X support and it > all just worked. That was COOL. That is what I am hoping to get back > into BSD. But setting X up now is perhaps even harder than what it used to be, and common user expectation are higher. You can't get away by just installing a vesa server...People would telle you it's slow, they would expect the system to already accelerated drivers, if available. Sure Vesa Xserver is more than enough for firefox....But newbies need to understand they will have to manually tweak xorg.conf anyway if they want a really working X setup. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:11:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B371065681 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1E38FC35 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oliver@nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de) Received: from localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072FA37188; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:59 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mouhaha.de Received: from nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de ([78.47.10.193]) by localhost (nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de [78.47.10.193]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y8v1vaHd6CdY; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:56 +0100 (BST) Received: by nemesis.charlie.mouhaha.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 67DBC37173; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:10:56 +0100 From: Oliver Peter To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904151056.GC32453@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <32833CD6-DE00-4FDB-A01A-B86B0A25B3E4@airwired.net> <20080904094218.GB32453@nemesis.frida.mouhaha.de> <2FFE8E59-5CF1-4D65-BD6C-4ED8DE8FB14D@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2FFE8E59-5CF1-4D65-BD6C-4ED8DE8FB14D@airwired.net> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-RELEASE-p3 amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Oliver Peter , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:11:00 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:48:46AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 4 Sep 2008, at 3:42 AM, Oliver Peter wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 02:58:45PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> > >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> > >>> Your patches to add support for the i4965 and your Marvell 88E80xx > >>> must have been stripped by the mailing list software. Can you > >>> please > >>> re-send them. > >> > >> I have not written patches, thus I did not send any patches. > > > > | > > `--> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm > > > > Btw. my philosophy is if you would like to use your favourite open > > source > > operating system - which I guess is FreeBSD - on your new hardware, > > you > > should spend additional 15 minutes when you make the decision what > > hardware > > you are going to buy and check the specs with the "Hardware Notes" at > > http://www.freebsd.org/where.html. > > > > Complaining afterwards is easy but no one forces you to buy > > unsupported > > hardware. > > Point taken. A $500 Dell laptop, however, will be a popular machine > and sooner or later should be supported. Would be nice to have that, I agree with you. But popularity is not an argument: Those 'fat' ATI graphics cards are quite popular as well but as long as the manufactor does not hand out nicer documentation you wont have a nice kernel module to get hardware acceleration. -- Oliver PETER, email: oliver@peter.de.com, ICQ# 113969174 "If it feels good, you're doing something wrong." -- Coach McTavish From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:19:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56F9106566B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.kernel32.de (crivens.terrorteam.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9388B8FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from www.terrorteam.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.kernel32.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CE0B02A2; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:19:53 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:19:53 +0200 From: Marian Hettwer To: Dan Allen In-Reply-To: <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> References: <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: mh@kernel32.de User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Jeremy Chadwick , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Guido Falsi Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:19:55 -0000 Hi Dan, On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:45:00 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > You may be interested to know, however, that some people ALSO use it > as a desktop system. ;-) > I second that! :) I for one really love FreeBSD on a server, 'cause it has a (to me) perfect setup of tools to use on a command line. On the other hand, guess what, since I'm administrating some FreeBSD boxes (and a whole lot more debian boxes too), my Desktop is a FreeBSD machine. > In the Standard Install there should be an option that says "Install > Firefox & Xorg". It should be an OPTIONAL CHECK BOX, not a mandatory > one, but it should allow a desktop scenario to be setup easily. > sounds good to me. > If the disks are near full, or need to be uniform across processors, > or whatever, then I am okay with not having all of X and Firefox on > disc1 IF there was a simple set of "pkg_add -r" commands that could > hidden behind a script or dialog which could fetch the necessary > software over the internet and set it up (along with .conf files so X > starts up reasonably well) so that a non-command line user could have > a good first time experience. > Ah well, create DVD images additionally to the standard iso images. > It was using Ubuntu that caused me to realize how far behind FreeBSD > is on the desktop side, and how, with a SMALL AMOUNT of work and > changes, it could make a big jump forward by this proposed simple > addition. Heck, if nothing else the installer could simply say in a > help screen, "if you want a web browser on your system, type 'pkg_add - > r firefox' on your system and edit blah blah .conf blah". As it > stands right now, however, there is very little in the install process > which helps a user get X up and going with a browser. > There is PC-BSD, FreeBSD based but aims on the desktop to achieve exactly what you said. I'm not sure wether FreeBSD needs to go that road too. Regards, Marian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:35:11 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4968106567A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from crivens.kernel32.de (crivens.terrorteam.de [81.169.171.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600108FC1D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mh@kernel32.de) Received: from www.terrorteam.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by crivens.kernel32.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31CBBB02DF; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:35:09 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:35:09 +0200 From: Marian Hettwer To: Guido Falsi In-Reply-To: <20080904150736.GA35003@megatron.madpilot.net> References: <20080904150736.GA35003@megatron.madpilot.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: mh@kernel32.de User-Agent: RoundCube Webmail/0.1-rc2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:35:11 -0000 Hej Guido, On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:07:36 +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> >> I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I >> just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I >> wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all. >> >> The early BSD releases had a simple check box to add X support and it >> all just worked. That was COOL. That is what I am hoping to get back >> into BSD. > > But setting X up now is perhaps even harder than what it used to be, and > common user expectation are higher. You can't get away by just > installing a vesa server...People would telle you it's slow, they would > expect the system to already accelerated drivers, if available. > Ah, I have to disagree. The last few times I installed a FreeBSD with xorg, I was really pleased how good xorg was in guessing my hardware in comparison to the olde days of XFree86. It was really, install xorg, run xorg -configure, take the config, install the nvidia driver from ports and nvidia settings too, then replace "nv" with "nvidia" in xorg.conf and with some clicks in the nvidia settings I was up and running dual screen. I thought to myself afterwards, Wow! that was easy. Used to be harder... > Sure Vesa Xserver is more than enough for firefox....But newbies need to > understand they will have to manually tweak xorg.conf anyway if they > want a really working X setup. > And really, place a warning "You're using Vesa 'cause we couldn't find a correct video driver" and off you go. In fact, I would be surprised if the ubuntu folks would do it different. Sometimes (hello newer ATI) you're lost in xorg land with some strange graphic boards. Cheers, ./Marian PS.: am I the only one, thinking that this thread should move to -chat? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:40:54 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C24106567B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from besko@msu.edu) Received: from sys15.mail.msu.edu (sys15.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.115]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B59E88FC2E for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:40:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from besko@msu.edu) Received: from user-718268.user.msu.edu ([35.10.4.118]) by sys15.mail.msu.edu with esmtpsa (Exim 4.63 #1) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) id 1KbGx3-00009O-My; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:40:53 -0400 Message-ID: <48C00184.7090005@msu.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:40:52 -0400 From: Lisa Besko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080613) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chih Liang References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> In-Reply-To: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus: None found by Clam AV Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: besko@msu.edu List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:40:54 -0000 I've had this very same problem. I had to go into the kernel config and change comment out this line: options ATA_STATIC_ID I may have also had to edit /etc/fstab so that it had the proper device name in it. Then I could rebuild the kernel and it worked. For me this had to to with the device names not matching up properly and after going to the latest version of 7 it would not find the correct device names for the drive. LB Chih Liang wrote: > Dear all, > > I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE, > but it is failed to boot after make kernel KERNCONF=GENERIC. > I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default. > After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at: > > Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec > ad0: 38166MB at ata0-master UDMA100 > > I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed: > > Manual root filesystem specification: > : Mount using filesystem > eg. ufs:da0s1a > ? List valid disk boot devices > Abort manual input > > I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or > "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working > > I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel > again and again, but still not work. > I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new > GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in > 7.0-RELEASE. > > Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't have > install cd... > > And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading! > > Regards, > Chih Liang > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:42:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D081065670 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:42:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com [208.47.184.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2868FC13 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:42:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-unix@embarqmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1220542958; h=From:Subject:Date:To:Mime-Version:Content-Type; bh=8VVQTGUo6YNbZFcezk17IXTxpSs=; b=g6RVjf8+TAoxEv9EXBaOMhk+k4I5GSEU6HPluiwyl2YyFffCNApME5bjW2yYCLKL U2GjXpLd2a2CdK7uybVinZmS6HFU1Dqi6+oJPJSOoUjq67S+hwNvTUWtTIEiCrQn; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9iFWe5QqC7GpijdEaTcA:9 a=PgF15XrrWcX7KT4YE6hSc3l0DU8A:4 a=1rXaml6zMYEA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=rpratt1950@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [74.4.78.58] ([74.4.78.58:49501] helo=kt.weeeble.com) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.33 r(25932/25934)) with ESMTPA id 6B/5F-14791-DE100C84; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:42:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:42:36 -0400 From: Randy Pratt To: Dan Allen Message-Id: <20080904114236.bb1a6eb8.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd6.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:42:40 -0000 On Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:58:27 -0600 Dan Allen wrote: > Then, since packages are always out-of-date, why not just skip the DVD > and use the internet with a couple of check boxes at the end of the > install, the way ports is treated now, that are just calls to pkg_add - > r for: > > * KDE > * GNOME > * Firefox > * ... whatever else are the most popular add-ons > > Fewer bits to be delivered via CD/DVD, and things are always up-to-date. This functionality already exists in sysinstall. Go to Configure Do post-install configuration of FreeBSD Select: Packages Install pre-packaged software for FreeBSD Then select the installation media/method: 2 FTP Install from an FTP server Select ftp server: Main Site ftp.freebsd.org Sysinstall will retrieve the INDEX of all available packages. It might take a few minutes to display all the package options. Selecting a package to install will automatically install all needed dependencies. It might be necessary to set some options under: Options View/Set various installation options if you're trying to get package versions other than the particular FreeBSD version that you have (ie, LATEST). I don't remember the exact details for doing this since I no longer use (possibly obsolete) packages. Its been years since I used Sysinstall but I seem to remember that at the end of a new installation, it will ask if you want to install packages which is done as described above. HTH, Randy -- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:47:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B370106568D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterson@notredame.ac.jp) Received: from ndwc.notredame.ac.jp (ndwc.notredame.ac.jp [202.231.1.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02BA8FC4C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterson@notredame.ac.jp) Received: from uranus.notredame.ac.jp (uranus.notredame.ac.jp [202.231.1.13]) by ndwc.notredame.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338042040CE; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from uranus.notredame.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.notredame.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCC55F65; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:43:45 +0900 (JST) Received: from ares.notredame.ac.jp (ares.notredame.ac.jp [10.1.0.34]) by uranus.notredame.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8765F62; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 23:43:45 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:43:45 +0900 Message-ID: <82hc8wdl9a.wl%peterson@notredame.ac.jp> From: Greg Peterson To: Guido Falsi In-Reply-To: <48BF8554.6060905@madpilot.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> <48BF8554.6060905@madpilot.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) LIMIT/1.14.10 (Furuichi) APEL/10.6 Emacs/22.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: Kyoto Notre Dame University MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:47:00 -0000 Guido, I agree completely with you and Jeremy. At Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:51:00 +0200, Guido Falsi wrote: > > Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: > >> > >>> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try > >>> Freesbie or something like that? > >> Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and > >> not something downstream. > >> > >>> If I install FreeBSD on a PC I expect this installation to live there > >>> for some years. I can spend some hours/days installing and configuring > >>> what I really need. At least this is the way I see it. Maybe I'm > >>> misunderstanding you. > >> I too spend the time. I am thinking that for other people to want to > >> use FreeBSD they want something other than a command prompt. They at > >> least want a web browser out of the box. With the choices we have these days, I think they would be happier with a FreeBSD-based integrated distribution. > > I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but your assumption is > > ignorant. Why do you think FreeBSD is intended solely for desktop > > usage? It's not. > > > > I, for one, **only want a command prompt** out of the box. I **do not** > > want Xorg or any X-related garbage on my servers. > > I fully agree with this last statement. I choose freebsd for many > reasons, and this is one of those, I tried a few linux distributions, > and even slackware installs too much garbage if you're not looking > closely at it. Me, too. I'm typing this on an IBM ThinkPad R40e that once ran Xubuntu. Installation was a dream, and everything worked for a while. When the system became unstable after an upgrade, I couldn't untangle the different parts of the system since everything was dumped together under /etc/ and /usr/. I reinstalled FreeBSD, which I've used for over a decade. Now the machine is stable, and I can control which ports to install. More importantly, I can always get back to the operating system, and I know that it will work okay. I use FreeBSD for 99% of my desktop work (Xorg/fvwm2), but I would not want GUI code in the OS. People who want pre-installed software can use one of the new distributions that are getting good reviews. For me the clear distinction between the operating system and other software inspires great long-term confidence in FreeBSD. > And n the way to providing a useful desktop system out of the box, I > think no one can choose arbitrarily what to include and what not. Most > people would find WM+FF[23] too little, some other would want some > minimal gnome/kde, some others full blown gnome/kde (or other des for > example) who's bound to choose? Exactly. I even disagree with myself sometimes! A Web/mail/whatever server, an old laptop, and a fast, new workstation are different kinds of systems for different purposes. I really appreciate the separation of ports from the operating system. With the same OS it's easy to communicate about any FreeBSD system. With ports we have great flexibility, and we can back out of trouble (deinstall ports) and still keep the OS intact. That gives us solid reliability. > FreeBSD has always made a choice to be just an os, and a server oriented > one. There are downstream distributions bundling full blown systems, > and, as stated by others, the devel team has no time to spare, I think > it should concentrate on that, and leave the desktop work to others. I agree completely. As a long-term STABLE user, I'm happy to install ported and non-ported software that helps me do my work every day. People who port software and who develop integrated desktop systems contribute extremely valuable work, but that work is separate from the development and maintenance of FreeBSD. FreeBSD has been really rock-solid for so many years because dedicated people concentrate on the operating system. Their concentration on the OS enables others to contribute ports and special-purpose distributions with confidence. Greg Peterson From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:47:55 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B011065673 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:47:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E18CC8FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 5812 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 15:14:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 15:14:19 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Peter Jeremy In-Reply-To: <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:47:52 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:47:55 -0000 On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:14 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > A large number of Marvell 88E80xx chips are supported by msk(4). If > yours isn't, you are going to need to provide more details on what > chip you have. On 3 Sep 2008, at 7:02 PM, Aragon Gouveia wrote: > lspci ? I ran the lspci command and it states that the Ethernet is a Marvell 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller. Are you looking for more info? Here is what lspci on Ubunut returns: Slot: 00:00.0 Class: Host bridge [0600] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub [2a00] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 0c Slot: 00:02.0 Class: VGA compatible controller [0300] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [2a02] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 0c Slot: 00:02.1 Class: Display controller [0380] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller [2a03] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 0c Slot: 00:1a.0 Class: USB Controller [0c03] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 [2834] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1a.1 Class: USB Controller [0c03] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 [2835] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1a.7 Class: USB Controller [0c03] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 [283a] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 ProgIf: 20 Slot: 00:1b.0 Class: Audio device [0403] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [284b] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1c.0 Class: PCI bridge [0604] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 [283f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1c.1 Class: PCI bridge [0604] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 [2841] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1c.4 Class: PCI bridge [0604] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 5 [2847] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1d.0 Class: USB Controller [0c03] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 [2830] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1d.1 Class: USB Controller [0c03] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 [2831] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1d.2 Class: USB Controller [0c03] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 [2832] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1d.7 Class: USB Controller [0c03] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 [2836] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 ProgIf: 20 Slot: 00:1e.0 Class: PCI bridge [0604] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge [2448] Rev: f2 ProgIf: 01 Slot: 00:1f.0 Class: ISA bridge [0601] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801HEM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller [2815] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 00:1f.1 Class: IDE interface [0101] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller [2850] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 ProgIf: 8a Slot: 00:1f.2 Class: IDE interface [0101] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA IDE Controller [2828] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 ProgIf: 8f Slot: 00:1f.3 Class: SMBus [0c05] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller [283e] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 02 Slot: 02:09.0 Class: FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00] Vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd [1180] Device: R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller [0832] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 05 ProgIf: 10 Slot: 02:09.1 Class: SD Host controller [0805] Vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd [1180] Device: R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter [0822] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 22 ProgIf: 01 Slot: 02:09.2 Class: System peripheral [0880] Vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd [1180] Device: R5C843 MMC Host Controller [0843] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 12 Slot: 02:09.3 Class: System peripheral [0880] Vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd [1180] Device: R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter [0592] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 12 Slot: 02:09.4 Class: System peripheral [0880] Vendor: Ricoh Co Ltd [1180] Device: xD-Picture Card Controller [0852] Rev: ff ProgIf: ff Slot: 09:00.0 Class: Ethernet controller [0200] Vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. [11ab] Device: 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller [4354] SVendor: Dell [1028] SDevice: Unknown device [022f] Rev: 12 Slot: 0b:00.0 Class: Network controller [0280] Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] Device: PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection [4229] SVendor: Intel Corporation [8086] SDevice: Unknown device [1120] Rev: 61 From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:49:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2275A1065673 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@pingle.org) Received: from willow.pingle.org (willow.pingle.org [68.76.213.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD2E8FC22 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@pingle.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by willow.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B4A11458; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:49:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at pingle.org Received: from willow.pingle.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (willow.pingle.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FXCVwQ4C+-5I; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (hpcw.hpcisp.com [68.76.213.13]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jim) by willow.pingle.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3944511455; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48C0037E.1040503@pingle.org> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 11:49:18 -0400 From: Jim Pingle User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Allen References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> In-Reply-To: <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:49:23 -0000 Dan Allen wrote: > On 4 Sep 2008, at 8:22 AM, Jim Pingle wrote: > Okay, so how about for packages on the base CD: > > * cvsup-without-gui (I also always use this) > * rsync > * perl As others have mentioned, there are plenty of uses for packages, even if I do not use them "out of the box" there are lots of people who do so, and need them because their networks are completely isolated, or the computers will not be networked and do not have an urgent need for security updates or the latest & greatest versions. > Then, since packages are always out-of-date, why not just skip the DVD > and use the internet with a couple of check boxes at the end of the > install, the way ports is treated now, that are just calls to pkg_add -r > for: > > * KDE > * GNOME > * Firefox > * ... whatever else are the most popular add-ons > > Fewer bits to be delivered via CD/DVD, and things are always up-to-date. My memory may be failing me, but there used to be a port called "instant workstaion" that accomplished quite a bit, and the installer would drop in X but asked for KDE or Gnome, but I don't recall when those choices went away. It appears the workstation port went away because it was broken and had no maintainer[1]. I have no idea what it might take to gather support for someone to resurrect the port and keep it updated. I would not mind having such an option again for desktops, but I would use it very rarely (only two, maybe three of my FreeBSD systems see desktop-type use). >> Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much like >> FreeSBIE and >> PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare apples to >> apples, >> you might investigate those choices a little closer. > > Touche. I had forgotten this. Perhaps this is why I was able to crash > Ubuntu so quickly yesterday... ;-) Perhaps. I use Ubuntu on a couple systems and it is pretty solid. I used it mainly because it was easy to turn on the eye candy bits in X to show people what other OS choices are out there. (Average Joes are really impressed with the wobbly windows and the way the cube switches multiple desktops) > I hope everyone realizes that I am not trying to "de-server" FreeBSD. I > just remember how daunting it was for me to get X setup when all I > wanted to use was a web browser when I was new to it all. Really? It's been easy for me lately, but I don't run on new hardware very often. On older systems it's been a matter of installing the packages/ports and running startx. The hard part was waiting for all the packages to install. I have had a few systems where I needed to tweak Xorg's config, but not too much. In my experience, it runs much better these days with default choices than it did in years past. I know others have had just the opposite experience, so apparently there is still work to be done. > The early BSD releases had a simple check box to add X support and it > all just worked. That was COOL. That is what I am hoping to get back > into BSD. See above, re: instant workstation port. I don't know if it was the same in the installer or not, but I seem to recall it having a similar effect. I also thought I remembered FreeBSD themes for KDE and Gnome that were used by default. There is a beasie theme for Gnome (x11-themes/beastie) but I have not used it so I don't know what it looks like. > I do not want to spill onto DVDs, remove the sources, get rid of command > prompts, or force systems to have X.org on them... I don't think spilling onto a DVD is a bad thing, as a choice. Then again, even Ubuntu has separate install CDs for desktop and server. You might want to talk to the developer of finstall[2], it might be in line with what you are envisioning. Jim 1: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-April/173383.html 2: http://wiki.freebsd.org/finstall From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:50:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C1A1065674 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:50:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA7768FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:50:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 7267 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 15:16:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 15:16:47 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Randy Pratt In-Reply-To: <20080904114236.bb1a6eb8.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:50:21 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> <20080904114236.bb1a6eb8.bsd-unix@embarqmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:50:23 -0000 On 4 Sep 2008, at 9:42 AM, Randy Pratt wrote: > 2 FTP Install from an FTP server We have a winner! I think this is what I may have overlooked: setting the source to FTP rather than to CD. I have always used the packages on the discs, and I have always downloaded just disc1, which used to include some of the packages being discussed, such as X. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:54:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16801065675 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807E98FC1E for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:54:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ac1U1a0040cQ2SLA6fu4k4; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:54:04 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Afu31a0054v8bD78Wfu3fr; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:54:03 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=E-xZDVBbiYAevb09FDUA:9 a=Xqgzu7uXWGK6UMhSOnPcb2ceoCUA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0A8A517B822; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:54:03 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904155403.GA21394@icarus.home.lan> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:54:04 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 08:58:27AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > Okay, so how about for packages on the base CD: > > * cvsup-without-gui (I also always use this) Side note: You don't need this, especially since you're using -without-gui. There is a utility in the base system called csup(1) which supports the same command-line arguments, is written entirely in C / doesn't rely on ezm3/modula3. It behaves the same way, and speaks the CVSup protocol. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 15:55:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE4D1065675 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2BB8FC25 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 10589 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 15:22:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 15:22:11 -0000 Message-Id: <6526664E-70F0-4683-A37A-3839D51C7AF6@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Jim Pingle In-Reply-To: <48C0037E.1040503@pingle.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:55:44 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> <7BDBF15A-A8E2-424C-9988-043B6A70F541@airwired.net> <48C0037E.1040503@pingle.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:55:46 -0000 On 4 Sep 2008, at 9:49 AM, Jim Pingle wrote: > My memory may be failing me, but there used to be a port called > "instant > workstaion" that accomplished quite a bit, and the installer would > drop in X > but asked for KDE or Gnome, but I don't recall when those choices > went away. This is in fact what I remember too: one had a choice of Server or Workstation and a further choice of KDE or GNOME. I remember that when I saw the choice of KDE or GNOME I had no idea which I should choose because I knew nothing about them. I will re-explore these sysinstall options, and grabbing packages with FTP once I can figure out how to get some sort of networking going on my new laptop. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 16:01:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D540C1065686 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 657818FC2C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Aeew1a00X0mv7h056g1ssN; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:01:52 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ag1q1a00d4v8bD73Xg1rbL; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:01:51 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=EIfIypKKofVdG2kJ-eIA:9 a=r2KXxu-K3asGKYQ5wwkA:7 a=sRX98y1pu8s4BiPdEaahSYrGVDYA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7AB9F17B81A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:01:50 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Dan Allen Message-ID: <20080904160150.GB21394@icarus.home.lan> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: PYUN Yong-Hyeon , Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:01:53 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 09:47:52AM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > On 3 Sep 2008, at 7:02 PM, Aragon Gouveia wrote: >> lspci ? > > I ran the lspci command and it states that the Ethernet is a Marvell > 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller. Are you looking for more info? > > Here is what lspci on Ubunut returns: "Ubunut" is a funny typo. I know it was unintentional, but it made me laugh. :-) > Slot: 09:00.0 > Class: Ethernet controller [0200] > Vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. [11ab] > Device: 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller [4354] > SVendor: Dell [1028] > SDevice: Unknown device [022f] > Rev: 12 This revision of Marvell NIC isn't supported under FreeBSD 7.0 or 8.0 (CURRENT/HEAD). I've looked at the source to msk(4), and it matches what's in the manpage, so it's not a documentation mistake. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=msk&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+7.0-stable&format=html Support for the 88E8040 can be added to the msk(4) driver, probably via a PCI ID addition to the msk_products[] struct in src/sys/dev/msk/if_msk.c, but sometimes more is needed. I've CC'd the maintainer of msk(4), PYUN Yong-Hyeon, who can work with you and provide patches to get support for that NIC. (Please note that when referring to him, his first name is Yong-Hyeon, not Pyun.) -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 16:08:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988C01065675; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: from megatron.madpilot.net (megatron.madpilot.net [88.149.173.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 453098FC12; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:08:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mad@madpilot.net) Received: by megatron.madpilot.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 14160130C73; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:08:39 +0200 From: Guido Falsi To: Marian Hettwer Message-ID: <20080904160839.GC35003@megatron.madpilot.net> References: <20080904150736.GA35003@megatron.madpilot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Wesley Shields Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:08:40 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 05:35:09PM +0200, Marian Hettwer wrote: > > > Ah, I have to disagree. > The last few times I installed a FreeBSD with xorg, I was really pleased > how good xorg was in guessing my hardware in comparison to the olde days of > XFree86. > It was really, install xorg, run xorg -configure, take the config, install > the nvidia driver from ports and nvidia settings too, then replace "nv" > with "nvidia" in xorg.conf and with some clicks in the nvidia settings I > was up and running dual screen. > I thought to myself afterwards, Wow! that was easy. Used to be harder... This goes beyond the scope of the thread. I know I started this, my point was that trying to guess what people will be expecting or trying to do with such an option is difficult. It may cause more problems that solve them, and that things like FreeSBIE are bbetter tools at the job. No objection to an option like "install xorg/fvwm/FF3", but I think it will make just a few people happier, not really help any newbie, and be of no purpose to people like me. On the other hand such an option will have to be supported if present. > PS.: am I the only one, thinking that this thread should move to -chat? I think this thread has outgrown both the original author's intentions and mine. I just answered by instinct, I disagreed with some points, but as I said here I have no objection to an option in istall, but IMHO supporting it may be harder than what it's worth. -- Guido Falsi From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 16:11:25 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7231065672 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED3D8FC19 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:11:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.sonicboom.org [127.0.0.1]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m84GBDCX087157; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:11:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Message-ID: <48C0089C.6090902@brianwhalen.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:11:08 -0700 From: Brian User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wesley Shields References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <48BF23D3.2070509@brianwhalen.net> <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> In-Reply-To: <20080904134305.GC1188@atarininja.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , Randy Pratt , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:11:25 -0000 > No thanks. This means you have to have a working connection to install > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that it is still > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, bringing us right > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. > > -- WXS > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > This is a benefit to me, by doing the minimal boot then net install, I know VERY quickly if the network adapter on the mobo is supported or if I need to go insert some known supported pci Ethernet card. For most users, I suspect a system without net access isn't worth m,uch. Brian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 16:30:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DF5106567D for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (mail-gw1.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.246]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726F18FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:30:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from mail-gw6.york.ac.uk (mail-gw6.york.ac.uk [144.32.129.26]) by mail-gw1.york.ac.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m84GTvqU019932; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:29:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from buffy-128.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.160] helo=buffy.york.ac.uk) by mail-gw6.york.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KbHiX-0000pw-7Q; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:29:57 +0100 Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m84GTu0Q095932; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:29:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m84GTuKB095931; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:29:56 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: buffy.york.ac.uk: ga9 set sender to gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk using -f From: Gavin Atkinson To: Dan Allen In-Reply-To: References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:29:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:30:15 -0000 On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 09:47 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > Here is what lspci on Ubunut returns: > Slot: 09:00.0 > Class: Ethernet controller [0200] > Vendor: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. [11ab] > Device: 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller [4354] > SVendor: Dell [1028] > SDevice: Unknown device [022f] > Rev: 12 This particular chip isn't supported in any version of FreeBSD at this moment. Patches do exist for it at http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch but they haven't been integrated yet, presumably because it hasn't been sufficiently tested yet. > Slot: 0b:00.0 > Class: Network controller [0280] > Vendor: Intel Corporation [8086] > Device: PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection [4229] > SVendor: Intel Corporation [8086] > SDevice: Unknown device [1120] > Rev: 61 This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this can be sorted. Gavin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 16:33:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80DD1065672 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gphoto6@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f17.google.com (mail-gx0-f17.google.com [209.85.217.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC628FC17 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:33:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gphoto6@gmail.com) Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so6522284gxk.19 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:33:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=DgYmhJTEUCJ01zjGZAMwBjkvgOH8nhfCG+U1hKU4de4=; b=xBqmTCBs4ihDpBdgws4OVWNprPHzi8mZbRehJQN34Vqu51IH1NOPl0gn0ndX7QkzH1 JBk2NDUUC85bKCzkyuzDq7iV7jT9qo1tuWeBshhEMrIsaW2TfkivhIK84ZDNOK9V/JNu Ge2NoupJoywcPLkr6gLJIcJhOLTzA0OlgvD40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=kJAGbhpeZOjo9Q7MOYTSMzLhChM0PfmS8H8GKoX7DywK2wTodMjHQ0IynpqqMaaD2L BOhOPtYewtFyLg3PsV4DLeyl5IBO9i5/C+LxR82CDHPeM8UMAlyiJCWOUVuDzE5lgrNX V07PdvG1BbthkPrIxfS0PFbqHqm8QyjQJZpUk= Received: by 10.150.217.14 with SMTP id p14mr14723025ybg.56.1220544680908; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.41.19 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:11:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:11:20 +0800 From: "Tim Chen" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:33:58 -0000 For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt However after several time of failure tests, we still can not make it work in /etc/fstab. server:/home /mnt nfs rw,tcp 0 0 It seems there is no coresponding options in /etc/fstab so that I can disable fnctl lock for NFS. If we can not set it right in /etc/fstab, every time the machine reboot requires human intervention to mount the partition manually. It is very annoying and inconvenient. Please give us some suggestion and hint to solve this situation. By the way, since the machine is running as a mail server which install postfix,courier-imap, will it happen any kind of data corruption due to NFS fnctl lock disabled? Best regards, Tim From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 16:52:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A00106567C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kometen@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.155]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07718FC16 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:52:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kometen@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so473350fgb.35 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Xt5N6R4VhcmYzEU2YxewbJxfnJkUaVyFbAbOwtHMMpI=; b=r+k1XpggehwgK7mGnqrGx1l3K/2atvGxWx4kTq/jYQ68V1eCyL2E+0h3BznaGtCy4n N7T/wqKCC60GJ4TxtJ9LfUEJFELeaw9id2J9seaEsIEyhe7MelIcoFyUm2P4VBk0uBgL 2MRl9m88dBro/gEo2pTKeCAJrVippXR4dmwFg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HJBGcMzHBmFDMI3xkwDHZDLaB9Pbp/ECAJZufbwXljeimr8HzCmI3mXR0ztWX8bkV5 7ChR4uvHgobmOM6m8yVhHda1gbyCeGAr8pP4rmw8lt/xkzHmyVpn3V2e1Nwr64FVcrwc nT4JvbghXZaFyQ+QhkIiL9nXCcePyGyNrRI2o= Received: by 10.86.68.1 with SMTP id q1mr7930800fga.2.1220547152108; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.79.10 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 09:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:52:31 +0200 From: "Claus Guttesen" To: "Tim Chen" In-Reply-To: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:52:34 -0000 > For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS > mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following > command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt > However after several time of failure tests, we still > can not make it work in /etc/fstab. > According to man mount_nfs: -L Do not forward fcntl(2) locks over the wire. All locks will be local and not seen by the server and likewise not seen by other NFS clients. This removes the need to run the rpcbind(8) service and the rpc.statd(8) and rpc.lockd(8) servers on the client. Note that this option will only be honored when performing the initial mount, it will be silently ignored if used while updating the mount options. ... Historic -o Options Use of these options is deprecated, they are only mentioned here for compatibility with historic versions of mount_nfs. bg Same as -b. ... lockd Same as not specifying -L. If you do not specify lockd on the client and don't run rpcbind on the server it may run as you require. But I haven't tried myself. If my assumption is correct you only need to make shure that rpcbind is not running on the server. -- regards Claus When lenity and cruelty play for a kingdom, the gentler gamester is the soonest winner. Shakespeare From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 16:56:02 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B21106566B for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:56:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net) Received: from office2.aipotu.nl (office2.aipotu.nl [194.123.169.74]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7B38FC22 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:55:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net) X-H2O-MailScanner-Watermark: 1221152136.69122@LhG1/z0RzZW9YlSKPR2wqQ Received: from hail.bengrimm.net (hail.bengrimm.net [86.90.159.11]) by office2.aipotu.nl (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m84GtZai007870 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:55:36 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: office2.aipotu.nl; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.i=@bengrimm.net; dkim-adsp=pass X-AIPOTU-FROM: X-AIPOTU-TO: X-AIPOTU-IP: hail.bengrimm.net [86.90.159.11] X-H2O-MailScanner-Watermark: 1221152121.7381@YBoAJpcsqxM8nwgT8D5i0w Received: from benmobi.bengrimm.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hail.bengrimm.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m84GtJ86026043 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:55:19 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=bengrimm.net; s=libertas; t=1220547320; bh=es2Q9ZDfRvamD1h6okgQSOhnBHrZ/bRB9iKrXW e3GV0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NZUDjPSV/cr1 9SzD5uFSvijC+/9GyyspSTcSCPmhFfP8zZEeXpj1uHNkOpoDVDdzD8l6Hs6J3oAhaQX 6ViyaMGt8dJjvly2stkNVGTZf7PKwQRjgHE9Gq+fIsdIwULtVgeW+mCr3uY/PptdA83 PeUIPNsyYKTmlp7sZ1KC4TUTs= X-HAIL-FROM: X-HAIL-TO: X-HAIL-IP: localhost [127.0.0.1] Message-ID: <48C012F7.6090809@bengrimm.net> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:55:19 +0200 From: "Ben C. O. Grimm" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080816) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hail-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hail-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.399, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00, DKIM_VERIFIED -0.00) X-Hail-MailScanner-From: freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net X-MailScanner-ID: m84GtZai007870 X-Aipotu-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Aipotu-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Aipotu-MailScanner-From: freebsd-stable@bengrimm.net Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 16:56:02 -0000 Tim Chen wrote: > For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS > mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following > command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt > However after several time of failure tests, we still > can not make it work in /etc/fstab. > > server:/home /mnt nfs rw,tcp 0 0 > > It seems there is no coresponding options in /etc/fstab > so that I can disable fnctl lock for NFS. If we can not > set it right in /etc/fstab, every time the machine reboot > requires human intervention to mount the partition manually. > It is very annoying and inconvenient. > > Please give us some suggestion and hint to solve this situation. I see some references to 'nolock' here and there, but YMMV. 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O. Grimm" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080816) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tim Chen References: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Hail-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Hail-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-4.398, required 4, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, BAYES_00 -2.60, DKIM_SIGNED 0.00) X-Hail-MailScanner-From: ben.grimm@bengrimm.net X-MailScanner-ID: m84GgnjC005326 X-Aipotu-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Aipotu-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-Aipotu-MailScanner-From: ben.grimm@bengrimm.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:00:01 -0000 Tim Chen wrote: > For some reason we want to disable fnctl lock for NFS > mounted partition. We can achieve this by the following > command: mount_nfs -T -L server:/home /mnt > However after several time of failure tests, we still > can not make it work in /etc/fstab. > > server:/home /mnt nfs rw,tcp 0 0 > > It seems there is no coresponding options in /etc/fstab > so that I can disable fnctl lock for NFS. If we can not > set it right in /etc/fstab, every time the machine reboot > requires human intervention to mount the partition manually. > It is very annoying and inconvenient. > > Please give us some suggestion and hint to solve this situation. I see some references to 'nolock' here and there, but YMMV. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 17:16:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E70B1065670 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBA78FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by QMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Abyh1a00117UAYkA5hGaL0; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:16:34 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AhGa1a0024v8bD78ZhGacv; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:16:34 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NC1iuFMh3X0A:10 a=T5snhZUyj2QA:10 a=gmDo1nssAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=Aziwk6T4AAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=_r7PcVHvJUdhT-AtyjcA:9 a=UtAHqVwFOiSAJzqan1kA:7 a=YAXEQ4mjCkCq_pPft8tFZjIHEowA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EE3AD17B822; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 10:16:33 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Tim Chen Message-ID: <20080904171633.GA22946@icarus.home.lan> References: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1f51039c0809040911oe4409b5ibe3f4dcf53528407@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to disable NFS fnctl in /etc/fstab? X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:16:35 -0000 On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 12:11:20AM +0800, Tim Chen wrote: > By the way, since the machine is running as a mail server which > install postfix,courier-imap, will it happen any kind of data > corruption due to NFS fnctl lock disabled? Regarding postfix, you will probably need dotlocking enabled during mailbox delivery. http://www.postfix.org/NFS_README.html Regarding courier-imap (have you considered dovecot?), you might want to see commit revision 1.4.3 to the Makefile, indicating fcntl is required to build the port on an NFS mount, so fcntl is forced: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/mail/courier-imap/Makefile Be sure to look at line 65 of the Makefile. Regarding courier-imap itself, I believe it can be configured to use dotlocks, but I can't find any documentation on this (I'm searching Google though). Finally, this seems relevant (arguing "do not disable fcntl over NFS!"), as something I happened to be reading earlier today; see "Why is NFS so slow?": http://www.fefe.de/muttfaq/faq.html#common-problems Personally, I think you're asking for trouble disabling fcntl on NFS; the fact you're having to (more or less) reverse-engineer all this software to find out if it's compatible with that scenario is added proof. The fact you're doing this on a mail server running an MDA is even more scary. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 17:33:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 293D9106568A for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:33:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7338FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:32:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 3565 invoked by uid 89); 4 Sep 2008 16:59:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 4 Sep 2008 16:59:23 -0000 Message-Id: <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> From: Dan Allen To: Gavin Atkinson In-Reply-To: <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:32:57 -0600 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:33:00 -0000 On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be > quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in > reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this > can > be sorted. I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these bits. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 17:49:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365C7106567C for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:49:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (mail-gw0.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.245]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90058FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:49:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail-gw6.york.ac.uk (mail-gw6.york.ac.uk [144.32.129.26]) by mail-gw0.york.ac.uk (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m84Hmwl0022044; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:48:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from buffy-128.york.ac.uk ([144.32.128.160] helo=buffy.york.ac.uk) by mail-gw6.york.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KbIx0-0001oB-Ga; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:48:58 +0100 Received: from buffy.york.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m84Hmvmm096359; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:48:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from ga9@localhost) by buffy.york.ac.uk (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m84Hmv4Z096358; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:48:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: buffy.york.ac.uk: ga9 set sender to gavin@FreeBSD.org using -f From: Gavin Atkinson To: Dan Allen In-Reply-To: <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:48:56 +0100 Message-Id: <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-York-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-York-MailScanner-From: gavin@freebsd.org Cc: Peter Jeremy , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:49:12 -0000 On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > > This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be > > quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in > > reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this > > can be sorted. > > I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these > bits. I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver. Gavin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 18:40:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CE0106564A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from mail.netconsonance.com (mail.netconsonance.com [198.207.204.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F628FC1C; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) Received: from [10.66.240.106] (public-wireless.sv.svcolo.com [64.13.135.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netconsonance.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m84IegSv057746; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:40:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jrhett@netconsonance.com) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at netconsonance.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.994 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.994 tagged_above=-999 required=3.5 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, AWL=0.446] Message-Id: From: Jo Rhett To: Wesley Shields In-Reply-To: <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 11:40:36 -0700 References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: freebsd-stable , Nathan Way Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:40:47 -0000 >>> Where can one find the expected EoL for these releases? > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:24:04PM -0700, Nathan Way wrote: >> http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#supported-branches >> To quote from the above web site: (snip) On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Wesley Shields wrote: > These are the existing releases. I believe Jo was looking for EoL for > 7.1 and 6.4 once they are released. Yes, thank you. > The answer to that is not clear - > nor do I know if it should be clear yet. I don't know when the type > of > support decision is made, but I suspect it's not this early in the > process. The release date for 6.4 is ~30 days away, isn't it? Also given that we've previously seen overlaps such that a newer version is only supported to the same EoL as the older version, that would pretty much dictate that spending resources on testing 6.4-REL and/or upgrading would be futile. To go back to the original statements made at the time: "you should consider the lifetime of the release before you invest resources in it". That means we need to know the lifetime to determine how much resources to apply to testing it, yes? -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 18:56:36 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103C21065671; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993888FC21; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 18:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m84IMBKH009209; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 13:22:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:22:32 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080829 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavin Atkinson References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:56:36 -0000 Gavin Atkinson wrote: > On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >> On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: >> >>> This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be >>> quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in >>> reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this >>> can be sorted. >> I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these >> bits. > > I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats > me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver. I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet. The iwn driver in CURRENT works well. The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for FreeBSD on the Marvell web site, which did work for me, but I am told it is unreliable. I also have had a hard time getting the sound to work. The oss port does work, but has a habit of freezing up. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 19:17:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEC71065671 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208198FC12 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o4so51337uge.39 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iYskCzVvocCX3ppRAuVHsgLg+WR/sUhfqs9ipd+7t/c=; b=tOrGWFKlWc/DRGCaMC43IAyqrEAhtTWFuBaBpJREoX2E4+TrsCma4MtrN+ybX/o4eY CQVnA40PWrDAhi+s7xBTQzByFtTz6BROxenpbyWdrkNkuh77K3sCAIjsu0pVywvnHwXC wxPOqyW/mRjuxA8COaHNt8Flo/mkD1joOav74= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ehcKl/j3w039DuBGd77k7O505G8+OiNa1LL/kom/71uvShS+WIMXTfn8E8xoAgLQ3Y g/HVhy5amlwTn0rE52VfmRXBPD1dWwve6tHIlGzDwC3RXLjsAzBwzPaA8UITB48QMWNd 9oGW8SlUD+//Blu9hxlUqVEkUB4eTIBVTnoYk= Received: by 10.102.253.13 with SMTP id a13mr7233172mui.111.1220555835451; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.231.14 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 12:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 16:17:15 -0300 From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" In-Reply-To: <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , Gavin Atkinson , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:17:17 -0000 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Gavin Atkinson wrote: >> >> On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: >>> >>> On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: >>> >>>> This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be >>>> quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in >>>> reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this can >>>> be sorted. >>> >>> I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these >>> bits. >> >> I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats >> me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver. > > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet. > > The iwn driver in CURRENT works well. > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for the > 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing (which I > have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently because of lack > of reliable documentation. There is a driver for FreeBSD on the Marvell web > site, which did work for me, but I am told it is unreliable. > > I also have had a hard time getting the sound to work. The oss port does > work, but has a habit of freezing up. Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are available at http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/ -- cd /usr/ports/sysutils/life make clean From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 19:22:34 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5DE1065685 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from sysmon.tcworks.net (sysmon.tcworks.net [65.66.76.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9899A8FC08 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 19:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from sysmon.tcworks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sysmon.tcworks.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m84J09Vf069220 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:00:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: (from lambert@localhost) by sysmon.tcworks.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m84J08b1069219 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:00:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) X-Authentication-Warning: sysmon.tcworks.net: lambert set sender to lambert@lambertfam.org using -f Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 14:00:08 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080904190008.GA19413@sysmon.tcworks.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:22:34 -0000 On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 11:20:53PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 03:01:48PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > On 3 Sep 2008, at 1:53 PM, Guido Falsi wrote: > >> If you just want na instant workstation, why you just don't try > >> Freesbie or something like that? > > > > Because I want something from the source -- from the main team -- and > > not something downstream. > > I think what you might be looking for is, believe it or not, PC-BSD. I > believe you can install PC-BSD and get a working X desktop with a > browser and all that jazz right out of the box. Don't forget DesktopBSD. I'm not a big user of PC-BSD or DesktopBSD. My desktop operating system is Mac OS X. My servers are FreeBSD WITHOUT_X11=YES. Howeever, it is my understanding, from what I've read, that DesktopBSD tries to stay closer to "the source" in that they use the ports collection to install most of the "make it easier for end-users" stuff. They seem to have an installer and some extra ports. That may give you more of the warm fuzzies than PC-BSD. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 21:03:13 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB8971065682 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ersaloz@gmail.com) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C318FC14 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ersaloz@gmail.com) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 6so49871eyi.7 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 14:03:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:importance :in-reply-to:x-mimeole; bh=PjLb7L6ia/JUZOHsT0caJ7Cb0HXaYHt8xd7cZMwlHHM=; b=NW+r2atP2vjTtEtHvFAfJCncriVaARLUXgBC9MeespHtsKhwjFAQzIC3o+yEecSjjA UTahMyuMg21YdZkRMgkIRr0fobBXjDlGsIMxUwcF8qW9nLcivYhOr8EZHVsB3C5mgn6G O5TTCvubXqh+UNG0tyChxUwkP+X0/1cYQrYlE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:importance:in-reply-to:x-mimeole; b=CSNAF+BWwW1MQZLfF/yXUtABBpFvysXFHf8GAnDVKVno4E2sYH5uBgrsopeHOnKwa1 +mBtKQsQHtiyOQFxMcXILLh8R4H9RE37oLjCQqW+N5EEtuO2QhMSZsLfZlZFw1nmIP1b Bz57TbwrEUg84PTjta/pEaynxvz00dN/8mLT4= Received: by 10.210.10.1 with SMTP id 1mr1034394ebj.116.1220560254189; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asinusaureus ( [81.34.32.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u14sm22080081gvf.6.2008.09.04.13.30.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:30:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Ernest Sales" To: "'Jim Pingle'" , Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:30:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c90ecd$207cbca0$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080904160211.927EF10657BF@hub.freebsd.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Cc: Subject: ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1 Content] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:03:13 -0000 > Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:22:30 -0400 > From: Jim Pingle > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content > To: Wesley Shields > Cc: Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <48BFEF26.2070405@pingle.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Wesley Shields wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 06:28:44PM -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >> Hey, these great comments bring up a different solution, > which may be > >> the way to go. > >> > >> It is simple: have a few of the common apps that are > net-centric (like > >> firefox) be simply calls to pkg_add -r in the installer. No ports > >> databases, no packages on the discs. A few packages may be useful > >> (like perl) to someone without net access, but many need > the net to be > >> useful. > > > > No thanks. This means you have to have a working > connection to install > > firefox via this method. Since not everyone will have that > it is still > > necessary to bundle the firefox package on the media, > bringing us right > > back to the very issue you are trying to solve. > > Could this not also be resolved another way? > > Most desktops these days have DVD drives. If someone wants a bootable > desktop-targeted release with X, Firefox and such, why not > make that a DVD > instead of trying to shoehorn all of this into a CD? Most of the older > machines with aging CD-ROM drives or without a DVD drive may > not have the > horsepower to run a live CD with X anyhow. My servers only have CD-ROM > drives, but then again they wouldn't be using a > desktop-oriented live CD > with X either. :-) > > Sure, the download would be (much?) larger, but you would > have a lot more > room to work with. > > The CD installs are great for me, and have worked well for years. > Personally, I install, update to -STABLE from a local cvsup > mirror, then use > an updated ports tree or install packages remotely. The > packages on CD are > out of date practically from the moment they are placed > there, so I rarely > use them. The only package I regularly used was I use to update ports almost weekly from -latest, but the resulting GUI is not always consistent, so I am considering to stick with the -release tag. Could someone comment on the quality of ports from -release vs. -latest? In other words, can I expect a substantial gain in usability by doing so? Ernest > cvsup-without-gui, which has > been replaced by csup in the base system. > > Also, is not Ubuntu a "downstream" release of Debian, much > like FreeSBIE and > PC-BSD are "downstream" of FreeBSD? If you want to compare > apples to apples, > you might investigate those choices a little closer. > > Jim From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 4 22:31:18 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28820106564A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13FA8FC1B; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop3.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m84MUjXg020466; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:30:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <48C061AA.5090507@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:31:06 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080829 SeaMonkey/1.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , Gavin Atkinson , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:31:18 -0000 Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are available at > > http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/ > Thanks. I hadn't tried them. But they didn't work. (I used the Sept 4 patch on CURRENT.) I could provide more diagnostics if anyone wants to work to make it work. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 00:34:01 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EA7106567B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23E18FC1C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 00:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unixmania@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so152321mue.3 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xXxFFuOb+UASENnPmTFdsKUYBPftaVk4o5svIf5IHqY=; b=ZrGJw/x0dSyRLiOTicowRheUo4BVuaQgq6CR02O+uba62jtH1jM1YMPvWfkTQ3dLNG 0XN2aXqEDhUDNTME7+ioAOJ0g0KSedDgMi1x/jgTuvY014vjzcJza5Nv9o1miBWzv0Xq 7fI5w8cWg/uov4pupsdxocYiij2WubwxmD4o4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=RuRIEEnfotyxvnL8DrQlgQdVkt6nlbDKEfMn8cunwSI1Z2Zspfb8NIWDv5e/O1GJa8 uyWIYuDyXQlE7GSRe6eudjs3CTdnZAo9g5YxLmUa0CdXHqBhzR9eVb9PNzRKuEtlemZ+ Y+lHQO86Mk8fKiZjQrFh3xT8eUFZraWckc7QM= Received: by 10.103.247.14 with SMTP id z14mr7453181mur.39.1220574839306; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.103.231.14 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 17:33:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 21:33:59 -0300 From: "Carlos A. M. dos Santos" To: "Stephen Montgomery-Smith" In-Reply-To: <48C061AA.5090507@math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> <48C061AA.5090507@math.missouri.edu> Cc: Alexander Motin , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:34:01 -0000 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > >> Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are >> available at >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/ >> > > Thanks. I hadn't tried them. But they didn't work. (I used the Sept 4 > patch on CURRENT.) > > I could provide more diagnostics if anyone wants to work to make it work. Stephen, I'm pretty sure that Alexander would appreciate your help and bug reports. So I suggest you to move this discussion to freebsd-multimedia, the list in which the new driver has been discussed. -- cd /usr/ports/sysutils/life make clean From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 01:42:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052F3106566B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from mail.ipeen.com.tw (mail.ipeen.com.tw [203.69.66.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A517A8FC08 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from [192.168.1.49] (ipeen.dyndns.org [122.116.36.146]) by mail.ipeen.com.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8C5DCC; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:42:13 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <48C08E6C.7010408@ipeen.com.tw> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:42:04 +0800 From: Chih Liang User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bartosz Stec References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> <48BFCB88.9050505@kkip.pl> In-Reply-To: <48BFCB88.9050505@kkip.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:42:16 -0000 Bartosz Stec wrote: > Chih Liang pisze: >> Dear all, >> >> I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to >> 7.0-RELEASE, but it is failed to boot after make kernel >> KERNCONF=GENERIC. >> I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default. >> After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at: >> >> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec >> ad0: 38166MB at ata0-master UDMA100 >> >> I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed: >> >> Manual root filesystem specification: >> : Mount using filesystem >> eg. ufs:da0s1a >> ? List valid disk boot devices >> Abort manual input >> >> I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or >> "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working >> >> I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel >> again and again, but still not work. >> I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new >> GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in >> 7.0-RELEASE. >> >> Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't >> have install cd... >> >> And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading! >> >> Regards, >> Chih Liang >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Did you make buildworld before buildkernel? If not, boot kernel.old > ane follow these rules: > > 1. csup 7-stable sources (just to be sure) > 2. rm -fR /usr/obj (just to be sure again) > 3. make buildworld && make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC > 4. make installkernel > 5. reboot in single user mode > 6. mergemaster -p > 7. make installworld > 8. mergemaster > 9. make delete-old > 10. make delete-old-libs > > Good luck! > Yes I did. I tried to update source to 7.1, but it failed with the same problem, then I thought it is the bug at -STABLE. And I remove entire /usr/src and /usr/obj and update source to 7.0 again, but still failed when I boot after make buildworld and make kernel. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 01:47:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 556A51065670 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from mail.ipeen.com.tw (mail.ipeen.com.tw [203.69.66.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C4A8FC16 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from [192.168.1.49] (ipeen.dyndns.org [122.116.36.146]) by mail.ipeen.com.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488AADDC; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:47:52 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <48C08FBF.1090809@ipeen.com.tw> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:47:43 +0800 From: Chih Liang User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jeff.dowsley@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:47:53 -0000 Jeff Dowsley wrote: > Try selecting boot option 2, ACPI disabled It still stop with "mountroot" message. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 01:51:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85D3106566C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:51:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from mail.ipeen.com.tw (mail.ipeen.com.tw [203.69.66.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EFD8FC1C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 01:51:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from [192.168.1.49] (ipeen.dyndns.org [122.116.36.146]) by mail.ipeen.com.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF325DCC; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:51:12 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <48C09087.2030205@ipeen.com.tw> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:51:03 +0800 From: Chih Liang User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> <48BFD461.6070606@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <48BFD461.6070606@quip.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:51:14 -0000 Miroslav Lachman æ到: > Chih Liang wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> I've tried to upgrade my FreeBSD server from 6.3-RELEASE to >> 7.0-RELEASE, but it is failed to boot after make kernel >> KERNCONF=GENERIC. >> I didn't modify any file at /usr/src/sys/i386/conf, it was all default. >> After done make kernel and reboot, system stop at: >> >> Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec >> ad0: 38166MB at ata0-master UDMA100 >> >> I can't boot in single mode, but I can boot in safe mode, and it showed: >> >> Manual root filesystem specification: >> : Mount using filesystem >> eg. ufs:da0s1a >> ? List valid disk boot devices >> Abort manual input >> >> I type "?" for list, but it only show acd0 and fdc0, "ufs:ad0s1a" or >> "ufs:/dev/ad0s1a" are not working >> >> I can boot with /boot/kernel.old now (6.3-RELEASE), I rebuilt kernel >> again and again, but still not work. >> I check the difference between old GENERIC on 6.3-RELEASE and new >> GENERIC on 7.0-RELEASE, it has not difference besides new add in >> 7.0-RELEASE. >> >> Is any one can help me? I don't want to reinstall...because I don't >> have install cd... >> >> And sorry for my poor English, thank you for reading! > > What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg) > > I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This > machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it > can't boot even from 7.x CD) > > Miroslav Lachman > Here is my /var/run/dmesg.boot: Copyright (c) 1992-2008 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.3-RELEASE-p3 #0: Wed Sep 3 15:58:00 CST 2008 root@daxiongb:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (801.83-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x631 Stepping = 1 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440800,MMX+,3DNow!+,3DNow!> real memory = 335478784 (319 MB) avail memory = 318791680 (304 MB) kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) hptrr: HPT RocketRAID controller driver v1.1 (Sep 3 2008 15:57:08) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0 cpu0: on acpi0 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 agp0: mem 0xe0000000-0xe0ffffff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata1: on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 12 at device 7.2 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xd800-0xd81f irq 12 at device 7.3 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: at device 7.4 (no driver attached) rl0: port 0xd000-0xd0ff mem 0xdfffff00-0xdfffffff irq 9 at device 13.0 on pci0 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl0: Ethernet address: 00:40:c7:81:90:ca pci0: at device 14.0 (no driver attached) acpi_button1: on acpi0 acpi_tz0: on acpi0 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] fdc0: port 0x3f2-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77b irq 7 drq 3 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppbus0: on ppc0 plip0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc7fff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounter "TSC" frequency 801825289 Hz quality 800 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec hptrr: no controller detected. ad0: 39266MB at ata0-master UDMA66 acd0: CDRW at ata1-slave UDMA33 Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a rl0: link state changed to UP Is it the VIA chipset? From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 02:01:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F51106566B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83E048FC15 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F8D75C18; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:02:31 -0400 From: Wesley Shields To: Ernest Sales Message-ID: <20080905020231.GI1188@atarininja.org> References: <20080904160211.927EF10657BF@hub.freebsd.org> <000001c90ecd$207cbca0$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c90ecd$207cbca0$2101a8c0@asinusaureus> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports from -release vs. -latest [was: RE: FreeBSD 7.1 Content] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:01:48 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:30:49PM +0200, Ernest Sales wrote: > I use to update ports almost weekly from -latest, but the resulting GUI is > not always consistent, so I am considering to stick with the -release tag. > Could someone comment on the quality of ports from -release vs. -latest? In > other words, can I expect a substantial gain in usability by doing so? The ports tree is not branched like the src tree. If you want any updates you get the latest. The ports tree as presented on the install media is merely a snapshot of the tree at that point in time. If you only use that tree you will never receive updates. If that tree works well for you and you don't care about updates of any kind then go ahead and stick on that tree. Personally, I want updates to some important (to me) pieces of software so I do keep things updated. Please do not take this as an opportunity to bring up the "we should use a branched approach to ports" discussion. That's been done many times before so look in the archives if you want more information. -- WXS From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 03:54:32 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8081065672 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from mail.ipeen.com.tw (mail.ipeen.com.tw [203.69.66.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296E18FC08 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:54:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chih.liang@ipeen.com.tw) Received: from [192.168.1.49] (ipeen.dyndns.org [122.116.36.146]) by mail.ipeen.com.tw (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00412865; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:54:30 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <48C0AD6D.70809@ipeen.com.tw> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:54:21 +0800 From: Chih Liang User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> <48BFD461.6070606@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <48BFD461.6070606@quip.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:54:32 -0000 Miroslav Lachman wrote: > > What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg) > > I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This > machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it > can't boot even from 7.x CD) > > Miroslav Lachman > I've tried to boot with 7.0 CD, it hung again...then I reboot with ACPI disabled, it could be boot but said can't find the disk. So I think this PC maybe with too old chipset. Anyway, thanks a lot. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 05:35:06 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A88E1065676 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:35:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.233]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F95C8FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:35:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so388521rvf.43 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:35:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=R6WHLNqcoR1CWic1i70mSoC331mDvZRF0zCDAmuyBzc=; b=vXKKy3FC1oml/yB+0+66OUiAxKjK8df4J70dfd/2NEQH4On3djrj0sqQ38Ulu9LF1m diSKWl5e0ZLxMwAal/ECnMUZboiExqx3SCqhjd2uiGHgvIBybyYiEEYlzW4YZcjRw+I0 hu3dXVaG7nuvX7WfumWc6qIX6mO/4ZQQ9Y6ks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=gMpKzhOKKLYE0udAxBcVz2+GvzOfI8XOL4g9dmnkQMCMwkW9Ryfp+zOyhykt+Amik2 AuzxCrmN9GUExjxWGKJZ7sdQInNK0+qpgLkPNo02Iih4UTSXR8B4RS+ia5IOBR54mnzg qKxCw+VMoDfsTHWZmu2iletUmDzm5zj2Z4XFE= Received: by 10.141.113.6 with SMTP id q6mr6323224rvm.135.1220592905053; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr ( [211.53.35.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm18873521rvb.2.2008.09.04.22.35.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (localhost.cdnetworks.co.kr [127.0.0.1]) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m855YvLn066529 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:34:57 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: (from yongari@localhost) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m855Yt4N066528; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:34:55 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:34:55 +0900 From: Pyun YongHyeon To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20080905053455.GD65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , Gavin Atkinson , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:35:06 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Gavin Atkinson wrote: > >On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > >>On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > >> > >>>This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be > >>>quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in > >>>reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this > >>>can be sorted. > >>I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these > >>bits. > > > >I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats > >me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver. > > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet. > > The iwn driver in CURRENT works well. > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-( > FreeBSD on the Marvell web site, which did work for me, but I am told it > is unreliable. > > I also have had a hard time getting the sound to work. The oss port > does work, but has a habit of freezing up. -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 05:54:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3D11065689 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFDC8FC16 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 05:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.43]) by QMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Atr01a0030vp7WLA6tuQ1t; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:54:24 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AtuP1a0084v8bD78RtuPjd; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:54:24 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=sQM06OpVnxRbdgVt5HIA:9 a=WzC_R-x_wtyHAUq9Co5B5MCw8yIA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6483217B81A; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:54:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 22:54:23 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Pyun YongHyeon Message-ID: <20080905055423.GA37775@icarus.home.lan> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> <20080905053455.GD65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080905053455.GD65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Gavin Atkinson , Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:54:24 -0000 On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > >On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > >>On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > >> > > >>>This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be > > >>>quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in > > >>>reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this > > >>>can be sorted. > > >>I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these > > >>bits. > > > > > >I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats > > >me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver. > > > > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet. > > > > The iwn driver in CURRENT works well. > > > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for > > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing > > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently > > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for > > Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized > after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-( Yong-Hyeon, I can purchase and send you a Marvel 88E8040 NIC, assuming we can find a PCI or PCIe card somewhere that uses one. Otherwise, I could purchase a motherboard which uses the IC and send that to you. Let me know if this would be of any help! -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 06:06:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324A81065672 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BD98FC18 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id b25so399361rvf.43 for ; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:06:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:received:date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=8AxgKNgQ+Y27SaTFSqcsvePnaAcD7yo0bZjOZZi/TbM=; b=BHpTPMzoUgP5c+xTRRyDIpafLTXBnC4Vs0klj1G+oNC3b3IjMZ1tshCNCU+Zazv8wR 6VEeMADIHoG4mwXS1fkyRBnm1gfU4zo/AsQfU2OZU6ENnfl3Fy0Yy5rkR5NKaQzrriXI BORm9RCAgAKMLsPMDeavobFGc4DLz7EpnGSEY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=Re6uMBXNVCeclwO4BcNEoVeCOK+buDg6v0vEmq28m3j9zLPFgcES/rGf0HH00Lbcbq cRLENquePzrgN6EC6uN3Ih//OA4h/y06qX6whm9eGDTpkIMbfvoHSigYqV5AgYgI09tz 9ELOrCfdX6z75fPiFbQlH3Abrcbyw11Fd0e9c= Received: by 10.140.203.9 with SMTP id a9mr6309461rvg.288.1220594809395; Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr ( [211.53.35.84]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l31sm18930213rvb.2.2008.09.04.23.06.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 04 Sep 2008 23:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (localhost.cdnetworks.co.kr [127.0.0.1]) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id m8566hgx066659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:06:43 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Received: (from yongari@localhost) by michelle.cdnetworks.co.kr (8.13.5/8.13.5/Submit) id m8566gU5066658; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:06:42 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from pyunyh@gmail.com) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 15:06:42 +0900 From: Pyun YongHyeon To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20080905060642.GF65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> <20080905053455.GD65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20080905055423.GA37775@icarus.home.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080905055423.GA37775@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, Gavin Atkinson Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pyunyh@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:06:50 -0000 On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:54:23PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > > >On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 11:32 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > > > >>On 4 Sep 2008, at 10:29 AM, Gavin Atkinson wrote: > > > >> > > > >>>This is supported by the iwn(4) driver in CURRENT, and it should be > > > >>>quite easy to port the driver to 7-STABLE. If you're interested in > > > >>>reinstalling FreeBSD and testing a backported driver, I'm sure this > > > >>>can be sorted. > > > >>I am interested in doing this. Please advise on how I can get these > > > >>bits. > > > > > > > >I've got hold of a laptop with the 4965 chipset in it, if nobody beats > > > >me to it I'll have a go at backporting the driver. > > > > > > I have a Dell Inspiron 1525 with the intel wireless ethernet. > > > > > > The iwn driver in CURRENT works well. > > > > > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for > > > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing > > > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently > > > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for > > > > Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized > > after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-( > > Yong-Hyeon, > :-) > I can purchase and send you a Marvel 88E8040 NIC, assuming we can find a > PCI or PCIe card somewhere that uses one. Otherwise, I could purchase a > motherboard which uses the IC and send that to you. > I failed to find a standalone PCI/PCIe NIC based on 88E8040 controller in local store. > Let me know if this would be of any help! > Having a hardware surely helps a lot! -- Regards, Pyun YongHyeon From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 06:22:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E339E1065673 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from mainframe.kkip.pl (kkip.pl [87.105.164.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96BCD8FC13 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from [192.168.0.10] by mainframe.kkip.pl with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KbUiX-0001wK-H3; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:22:51 +0200 Message-ID: <48C0D03B.8070804@kkip.pl> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:22:51 +0200 From: Bartosz Stec User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chih Liang References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> <48BFD461.6070606@quip.cz> <48C0AD6D.70809@ipeen.com.tw> In-Reply-To: <48C0AD6D.70809@ipeen.com.tw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: admin@kkip.pl X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Spam-Score: -8.9 X-Spam-Score-Int: -88 X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 26-Jun-2008 18:19:28) X-Date: 2008-09-05 08:22:51 X-Connected-IP: 192.168.0.10:1123 X-Message-Linecount: 51 X-Body-Linecount: 37 X-Message-Size: 1731 X-Body-Size: 1105 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 2 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 2 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:22:54 -0000 Chih Liang pisze: > Miroslav Lachman wrote: >> >> What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg) >> >> I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This >> machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it >> can't boot even from 7.x CD) >> >> Miroslav Lachman >> > > I've tried to boot with 7.0 CD, it hung again...then I reboot with > ACPI disabled, it could be boot but said can't find the disk. So I > think this PC maybe with too old chipset. > Anyway, thanks a lot. Well, it's VIA chipset you have, not nForce2 - . And it's not too old to run 7.0 as far as I know. It's strange that kernel has some problem with your hardware. Maybe you have buggy BIOS? Try to update to newest one and/or at least load BIOS safe-defaults. Then you should try to boot with and without ACPI enabled. Adding the following line to /boot/device.hints: hint.acpi.0.disabled="1" may help if your system won't boot with ACPI enabled. Don't give up yet! :) -- Bartosz Stec - specjalista ds. IT AUXILIA Spółka z o.o. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 06:37:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B1E1065691 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: from seaholm.caamora.com.au (seaholm.caamora.com.au [203.7.226.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CEC8FC22 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 06:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@seaholm.caamora.com.au) Received: (from jon@localhost) by seaholm.caamora.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id m856BO706308; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:11:24 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <20080905161124.53699@caamora.com.au> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:11:24 +1000 From: jonathan michaels To: Chih Liang References: <48BFC40C.3050309@ipeen.com.tw> <48BFD461.6070606@quip.cz> <48C0AD6D.70809@ipeen.com.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84e In-Reply-To: <48C0AD6D.70809@ipeen.com.tw>; from Chih Liang on Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 11:54:21AM +0800 Organisation: Caamora, PO Box 144, Rosebery NSW 1445 Australia Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Subject: Re: boot failed after make installkernel from 6.3-RELEASE to 7.0-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:37:35 -0000 On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 11:54:21AM +0800, Chih Liang wrote: > Miroslav Lachman wrote: > > > > What is your hardware setup? (post dmesg) > > > > I have bad experience with some old PC with nForce 2 chipset. This > > machine is unbootable with 7.x kernel, so I am using it with 6.3. (it > > can't boot even from 7.x CD) > > > > Miroslav Lachman > > > > I've tried to boot with 7.0 CD, it hung again...then I reboot with ACPI > disabled, it could be boot but said can't find the disk. So I think this > PC maybe with too old chipset. > Anyway, thanks a lot. i have an amd athlon with an nvidia video card that freebsd v7.0-RELEASE locks the last thing mine says is hptrr (there is something about rocketraid raid device in teh dmesg) "no device found' if i disable acpi (by booting in safe mode) all works well the installation completes, the machine works well at least so far ... hope this helps regards jonathan -- ================================================================ powered by .. QNX, OS9 and freeBSD -- http://caamora com au/operating system ==== === appropriate solution in an inappropriate world === ==== From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 09:24:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8284B1065678 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:24:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mav@mavhome.dp.ua) Received: from cmail.optima.ua (cmail.optima.ua [195.248.191.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE2448FC0A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:24:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mav@mavhome.dp.ua) X-Spam-Flag: SKIP X-Spam-Yversion: Spamooborona-2.1.0 Received: from orphanage.alkar.net (account mav@alkar.net [212.86.226.11] verified) by cmail.optima.ua (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.14) with ESMTPA id 220098582; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:24:06 +0300 Message-ID: <48C0ECA6.9090800@mavhome.dp.ua> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:24:06 +0300 From: Alexander Motin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080612) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <1220478861.00008786.1220467203@10.7.7.3> <1220480589.00008846.1220469605@10.7.7.3> <1220556187.00009295.1220543401@10.7.7.3> <1220559781.00009317.1220546402@10.7.7.3> <1220563382.00009338.1220550001@10.7.7.3> <1220563384.00009347.1220550601@10.7.7.3> <1220565324.00009371.1220554803@10.7.7.3> <1220566985.00009381.1220556006@10.7.7.3> <1220581380.00009504.1220568001@10.7.7.3> In-Reply-To: <1220581380.00009504.1220568001@10.7.7.3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:24:09 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> Did you try using Alexander Motin's new snd_hda patches? They are >> available at >> >> http://people.freebsd.org/~mav/ > > Thanks. I hadn't tried them. But they didn't work. (I used the Sept 4 > patch on CURRENT.) > > I could provide more diagnostics if anyone wants to work to make it work. Send me 'cat /dev/sndstat' and verbose dmesg output of the patched driver. There are many possible reasons of this "didn't work" including hardware specific hardware implementation and broken BIOS configuration. But many of them could be diagnosed by reading of verbose dmesg and fixed by specifying device hints. -- Alexander Motin From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 09:26:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE5C1065672 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49D5C8FC1E for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 09:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AxQ41a00C0b6N64A3xSbNF; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:26:35 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AxSa1a0014v8bD78PxSanX; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:26:34 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=GEV0ElBX9vbAlUUG-8AA:9 a=CPTLaqH4TnGmBCsh59MKDT7hvTQA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D7C3117B822; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:26:33 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Pyun YongHyeon Message-ID: <20080905092633.GA53234@icarus.home.lan> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> <20080905053455.GD65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20080905055423.GA37775@icarus.home.lan> <20080905060642.GF65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080905060642.GF65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , Gavin Atkinson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:26:35 -0000 On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 03:06:42PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:54:23PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for > > > > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing > > > > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently > > > > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for > > > > > > Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized > > > after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-( > > > I can purchase and send you a Marvel 88E8040 NIC, assuming we can find a > > PCI or PCIe card somewhere that uses one. Otherwise, I could purchase a > > motherboard which uses the IC and send that to you. > > > > I failed to find a standalone PCI/PCIe NIC based on 88E8040 > controller in local store. I'll look around, and if I can't find anything, contact Marvell asking which of their clients use their 88E8040 in standalone PCI/PCIe NICs. If push comes to shove, I'll pick up a motherboard that has the 88E8040 on it and ship it to you free of cost. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. 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( [217.206.187.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g9sm16492797gvc.0.2008.09.05.03.09.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:09:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Evans To: Dan Allen In-Reply-To: <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd" Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:08:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1220609335.3846.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:09:07 -0000 --=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 08:45 -0600, Dan Allen wrote: > On 4 Sep 2008, at 12:20 AM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: ... > It was using Ubuntu that caused me to realize how far behind FreeBSD =20 > is on the desktop side, and how, with a SMALL AMOUNT of work and =20 > changes, it could make a big jump forward by this proposed simple =20 > addition. Heck, if nothing else the installer could simply say in a =20 > help screen, "if you want a web browser on your system, type 'pkg_add -=20 > r firefox' on your system and edit blah blah .conf blah". As it =20 > stands right now, however, there is very little in the install process =20 > which helps a user get X up and going with a browser. >=20 > Thanks to everyone else for their comments. >=20 > Dan (this isn't meant to be a flame :) For me, part of the install process was reading the handbook, which details quite clearly how to go from sysinstall to desktop. Projects driven by billionaire South Africans can target their paid developers at whatever tasks they think are important. It seems very few FreeBSD devs are interested enough to attack this 'small amount' of work, and that is their (valid) choice*. In a volunteer project, volunteers work on what interests them, not what someone else thinks is important. Cheers Tom * although check out finstall.sf.net, which looks as though it will be very good. --=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEABECAAYFAkjBBTMACgkQlcRvFfyds/deIgCgwMvxTi2m3yyX7anPz2oaUcvA vn0AoLL2MPwWr/8QYOSRFtfNLTm8Y+me =bTFV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-FMzNegN9K9bkBHvSGgtd-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 11:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0B7C106564A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kais.deliverymail@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f24.google.com (mail-gx0-f24.google.com [209.85.217.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB508FC17 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 11:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kais.deliverymail@googlemail.com) Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5so3472154gxk.19 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:41:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=N81bCWYiWCkHjOQhfUw/jx7nd+UsQ5JR3gBwhwLkbEw=; b=sm6Fekr7z/cpZdNM+HVPpgRqP5V4lTuopnfoJRgpPd9IGWPeD6LDNF68RVJlz57+bl YmVENLnmkZwy0S2y3xCujtlqjJ2/RUcFvUeebxGAwbFBkfpgvrJJWT/PgDJa6v9bDBko GLcjqX1OSHg2A3/uCkXnajmVDikdypljeQ+kM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MYk+B+Tk15i7QzdncJQspWRusZm4t/awJ72Gwr8iVRAjVB8UzCcnsBCV/Ky+GX9Tkz H0MLjDGBoAGvT7lOyN0IrwpcN03eEXtNG2Igt3Cptsduh2RKcIPQUsquvretD+wLQOgf frrcccX4M33eyKuFMN2OaqxWMgitJQx0rwHWc= Received: by 10.150.191.10 with SMTP id o10mr16247985ybf.199.1220613889898; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.115.21 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 04:24:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <69919f4a0809050424n374cea16rb194b04ad55cd59d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:24:49 +0200 From: "Kai Otto" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <69919f4a0809050423r554105a1jd3f1233a1fbbc9ab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> <1220609335.3846.6.camel@localhost> <69919f4a0809050423r554105a1jd3f1233a1fbbc9ab@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:41:36 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Kai Otto Date: 2008/9/5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content To: Tom Evans Hello I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure. IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-browser in the standard installation (with option to not install it in sysinstall). I say HTML and not web because I think about the /usr/share/doc .html-documentation. If someone really has no Internet-connection as mentioned before he/she isn't able to read the handbook, which IMHO is a very important part of FreeBSD. There are great manpages and exaple files, but the best explanations are in the handbook. Optional, the motd could tell the interested newbie how he/she can start reading the handbook. At the moment, the standard motd explains how to learn about manpages ('man man') and how to learn about the disklayout ('man hier') that's just great. An other way would be adding a hint to the shipped htmlbrowser (eg. lynx) and it's initialisation with the handbook to the hier manpage. I don't know if thats to 'deep hidden'. An other thing was the problem with the outdated packages on the discset and the people who need it because the 'target pc' for the install has no (or only slow) internetconnection. I think this is already solved: People needing up-to-date packages/ports can use the 'bootonly' iso-images and download the complete installation from a local or internet server. The other people can use the not-100%-up-to-date packages on the discset. Greets, Kai From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 13:12:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7461065670 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from mainframe.kkip.pl (kkip.pl [87.105.164.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39A48FC2B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:12:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@kkip.pl) Received: from [192.168.0.10] by mainframe.kkip.pl with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Kbb6h-0000XS-GE for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:12:14 +0200 Message-ID: <48C1302C.2040109@kkip.pl> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:12:12 +0200 From: Bartosz Stec User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Authenticated-User: admin@kkip.pl X-Authenticator: plain X-Sender-Verify: SUCCEEDED (sender exists & accepts mail) X-Spam-Score: -8.6 X-Spam-Score-Int: -85 X-Exim-Version: 4.69 (build at 26-Jun-2008 18:19:28) X-Date: 2008-09-05 15:12:14 X-Connected-IP: 192.168.0.10:4483 X-Message-Linecount: 147 X-Body-Linecount: 136 X-Message-Size: 5092 X-Body-Size: 4668 X-Received-Count: 1 X-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Count: 1 X-Local-Recipient-Defer-Count: 0 X-Local-Recipient-Fail-Count: 0 Subject: Funny things with cflags and world/kernel building X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:12:17 -0000 As well as i know variables works this way: # set foo=bar # set | grep foo _ set foo=bar foo bar # echo $foo bar # echo ${foo} bar So maybe someone could explain me why following things happens with variables in make.conf? My make.conf: CPUTYPE=athlon64 MAKEOPTS=-j3 # USE CCACHE .if !defined(NOCCACHE) CC=/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world-cc CXX=/usr/local/libexec/ccache/world-c++ .endif # default build settings for ports collection .if ${.CURDIR:M*/ports/*} CFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer CXXFLAGS= -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -funroll-loops .endif # default build settings for base system .if ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/src/*} || ${.CURDIR:M*/usr/obj/*} CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe #CXXFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe COPTFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} #COPTFLAGS=${CFLAGS} .endif # added by use.perl 2008-04-14 10:39:38 PERL_VER=5.8.8 PERL_VERSION=5.8.8 As you see I use ccache and different flags for world and port building, but what's interesting: 1. when I use these flags: CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} COPTFLAGS=${CFLAGS} world building finish without problem, but making kernel give an error: -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/AMD64SMP7; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=amd64 MACHINE=amd64 CPUTYPE=athlon64 GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/share/tmac _SHLIBDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp VERSION="FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE amd64 700112" INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/tmp/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin NO_CTF=1 make KERNEL=kernel depend -DNO_MODULES_OBJ machine -> /usr/src/sys/amd64/include Variable CFLAGS is recursive. *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. 2. When I use these flags: CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe CXXFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe COPTFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe kernel build finish without problem, but... building world give an error!: ===> gnu/lib/libstdc++ (depend) ln -sf /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/config/cpu/generic/ atomicity_builtins/atomicity.h atomicity.cc ln -sf /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/gcc/unwind-generic.h unwind.h rm -f .depend (...) /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/libsupc++/unwind-cxx.h:41: 20: error: unwind.h: No such file or directory In file included from /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/libs upc++/vec.cc:37: /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++/../../../contrib/libstdc++/libsupc++/unwind-cxx.h:41: 20: error: unwind.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib/libstdc++. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/gnu/lib. *** Error code 1 3. What's even more funny? When I use flags: CFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe COPTFLAGS=-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS} I have no errors at all! But shouldn't all those flags be treated by make command exactly the same way?? It isn't new issue - it's couple of months as I face this problem - on AMD 64 machine with CPUTYPE=athlon64 and MAKEOPTS=-j3 and olso on i386 machine with CPUTYPE=pentium2 and MAKEOPTS=-j2. Other flags are the same as in the beginning of this message. Another machine - exactly the same flags but CPUTYPE=athlon-tbird and MAKEOPTS=-j2 and no problems compiling world and kernel regardless of flags combination. Could anyone explain to me sthis trange behaviour ? p.s. Sorry for my poor english ;) -- Bartosz Stec - specjalista ds. IT AUXILIA Spó³ka z o.o. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 13:41:35 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF431065673; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:41:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D71B38FC1D; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:41:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m85DfXg4011368; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:41:33 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:41:33 +0400 (MSD) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080902204047.K27579@woozle.rinet.ru> Message-ID: References: <20080902204047.K27579@woozle.rinet.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 6B691B03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (woozle.rinet.ru [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:41:33 +0400 (MSD) Cc: marcel@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RELENG_7/amd64: booting from gpt failed. X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:41:35 -0000 On Tue, 2 Sep 2008, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote: [snip] DM> and I hope it boots from da0p2, but it fails: Pilot error; rebuilding fresh RELENG_7 from scratch and reinstall fixed the issue; now I'm almost happy with new 4-core builder/tinderbox with ZFS over gpt. ;) Sorry for the noise. Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] [ FreeBSD committer: marck@FreeBSD.org ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 14:36:56 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9771065671 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:36:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (ei.bzerk.org [82.95.223.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AB68FC25 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:36:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: from ei.bzerk.org (BOFH@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m85E2E61028840; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:02:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Received: (from bulk@localhost) by ei.bzerk.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m85E2E7P028839; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:02:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mail25@bzerk.org) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:02:14 +0200 From: Ruben de Groot To: Kai Otto Message-ID: <20080905140214.GA28789@ei.bzerk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ruben de Groot , Kai Otto , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <35445338-D597-4FE2-996F-DEC7BE986741@airwired.net> <48BEEB55.4050406@madpilot.net> <20080904062053.GA5953@icarus.home.lan> <650D6892-6372-44A2-957F-B049E70DB881@airwired.net> <1220609335.3846.6.camel@localhost> <69919f4a0809050423r554105a1jd3f1233a1fbbc9ab@mail.gmail.com> <69919f4a0809050424n374cea16rb194b04ad55cd59d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <69919f4a0809050424n374cea16rb194b04ad55cd59d@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.1 (2007-05-02) on ei.bzerk.org X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (ei.bzerk.org [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:03:22 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:36:56 -0000 On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 01:24:49PM +0200, Kai Otto typed: > > I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure. > IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-browser in the standard > installation (with option to not install it in sysinstall). > I say HTML and not web because I think about the /usr/share/doc > .html-documentation. If someone really has no Internet-connection as > mentioned before he/she isn't able to read the handbook, which IMHO is a > very important part of FreeBSD. There are great manpages and exaple files, > but the best explanations are in the handbook. Isn't that why we have: /usr/share/doc/handbook/book.txt ?? Ruben From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 17:41:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD25106564A for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyebeng_ong@yahoo.com) Received: from web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 533C38FC17 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 17:41:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lyebeng_ong@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 14067 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2008 17:14:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=tO/+6YVzV7CftWck0Gfv5XDmafkQfA9u83ZOMTt2TC7ylP1eEIAt3710RbGE3WXblX/zWL6s5weCy6MRFBMO7J61yjOqUOCoP3fMOiKk3I8+9dtlZSZXl1jujq9n46E3g5QyDmxnyZDWvGin5OZRKmO3NLjyFSOBres9+xZOhOw=; X-YMail-OSG: QP16UzAVM1n.rLn7nG566bYew678FuGbl7KdtzvdTicQ4RkOqeZ7KtYW2ygWinpnag-- Received: from [96.247.200.160] by web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 10:14:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1096.28 YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 10:14:32 -0700 (PDT) From: LB Ong To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <454176.13423.qm@web33905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: raidz pool metadata corrupted nexanta-core->freenas 0.7->nexanta-core X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:41:14 -0000 I made a bad judgment and now my raidz pool is corrupted. I have a raidz pool running on Opensolaris b85. I wanted to try out freenas 0.7 and tried to add my pool to freenas. After adding the zfs disk, vdev and pool. I decided to back out and went back to opensolaris. Now my raidz pool will not mount and got the following errors. Hope someone expert can help me recover from this error. root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# zpool status pool: syspool state: ONLINE scrub: none requested config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM syspool ONLINE 0 0 0 c1d0s0 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: tank state: FAULTED status: The pool metadata is corrupted and the pool cannot be opened. action: Destroy and re-create the pool from a backup source. see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-72 scrub: none requested config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM tank FAULTED 0 0 4 corrupted data raidz1 ONLINE 0 0 4 c2d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c2d1 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3d0 ONLINE 0 0 0 c3d1 ONLINE 0 0 0 root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# zdb -vvv syspool version=10 name='syspool' state=0 txg=13 pool_guid=7417064082496892875 hostname='elatte_installcd' vdev_tree type='root' id=0 guid=7417064082496892875 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=16996723219710622372 path='/dev/dsk/c1d0s0' devid='id1,cmdk@AST3160812AS=____________9LS6M819/a' phys_path='/pci@0,0/pci-ide@e/ide@0/cmdk@0,0:a' whole_disk=0 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=30 ashift=9 asize=158882856960 is_log=0 tank version=10 name='tank' state=0 txg=9305484 pool_guid=6165551123815947851 hostname='cempedak' vdev_tree type='root' id=0 guid=6165551123815947851 children[0] type='raidz' id=0 guid=18029757455913565148 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280228458496 is_log=0 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=14740261559114907785 path='/dev/dsk/c2d0s0' devid='id1,cmdk@AST3320620AS=____________3QF0WLTV/a' phys_path='/pci@0,0/pci10de,26f@10/pci-ide@8/ide@0/cmdk@0,0:a' whole_disk=1 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=7618479640615121644 path='/dev/dsk/c2d1s0' devid='id1,cmdk@AST3320620AS=____________3QF0YZEM/a' phys_path='/pci@0,0/pci10de,26f@10/pci-ide@8/ide@0/cmdk@1,0:a' whole_disk=1 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=1801493855297946488 path='/dev/dsk/c3d0s0' devid='id1,cmdk@AST3320620AS=____________3QF0PGBS/a' phys_path='/pci@0,0/pci10de,26f@10/pci-ide@8/ide@1/cmdk@0,0:a' whole_disk=1 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15710901655082836445 path='/dev/dsk/c3d1s0' devid='id1,cmdk@AST3320620AS=____________3QF0VABG/a' phys_path='/pci@0,0/pci10de,26f@10/pci-ide@8/ide@1/cmdk@1,0:a' whole_disk=1 root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# zdb -l /dev/rdsk/c2d0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 0 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=15107016125503765553 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 1 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=15107016125503765553 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 2 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 2 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 3 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 3 root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# zdb -l /dev/rdsk/c2d1 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 0 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=11315967116113415008 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 1 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=11315967116113415008 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 2 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 2 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 3 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 3 root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# zdb -l /dev/rdsk/c3d0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 0 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=550142777835149292 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 1 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=550142777835149292 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 2 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 2 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 3 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 3 root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# zdb -l /dev/rdsk/c3d1 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 0 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=4506299097155628566 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 1 -------------------------------------------- version=6 name='tank' state=2 txg=14 pool_guid=11155694179612409655 hostid=0 hostname='cempedak.local' top_guid=17207490567963887885 guid=4506299097155628566 vdev_tree type='raidz' id=0 guid=17207490567963887885 nparity=1 metaslab_array=14 metaslab_shift=33 ashift=9 asize=1280272498688 children[0] type='disk' id=0 guid=550142777835149292 path='/dev/ad10' devid='ad:3QF0PGBS' whole_disk=0 children[1] type='disk' id=1 guid=11315967116113415008 path='/dev/ad12' devid='ad:3QF0YZEM' whole_disk=0 children[2] type='disk' id=2 guid=4506299097155628566 path='/dev/ad14' devid='ad:3QF0VABG' whole_disk=0 children[3] type='disk' id=3 guid=15107016125503765553 path='/dev/ad8' devid='ad:3QF0WLTV' whole_disk=0 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 2 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 2 -------------------------------------------- LABEL 3 -------------------------------------------- failed to unpack label 3 root@cempedak:/dev/rdsk# From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 20:19:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E2E106566C for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:19:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D748FC1B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:19:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from minimarmot@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so574432wfg.7 for ; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:19:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> Cc: Nathan Way , Wesley Shields , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:19:24 -0000 On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: >>>> Where can one find the expected EoL for these releases? > >> On Wed, Sep 03, 2008 at 09:24:04PM -0700, Nathan Way wrote: >>> >>> http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#supported-branches >>> To quote from the above web site: (snip) > > On Sep 4, 2008, at 6:36 AM, Wesley Shields wrote: >> >> These are the existing releases. I believe Jo was looking for EoL for >> 7.1 and 6.4 once they are released. > > Yes, thank you. > To quote from the same website: Early adopter Releases which are published from the -CURRENT branch will be supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 6 months after the release. Normal Releases which are published from a -STABLE branch will be supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 12 months after the release. Extended Selected releases will be supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 24 months after the release. I don't remember seeing any speculation about 6.4 being an extended release, so, EoL is 12 months after release, whenever that actually happens. I thought this was mentioned in the previous thread you started about EoL, but I didn't see it in a quick search. >> The answer to that is not clear - >> nor do I know if it should be clear yet. I don't know when the type of >> support decision is made, but I suspect it's not this early in the >> process. > > > The release date for 6.4 is ~30 days away, isn't it? > > Also given that we've previously seen overlaps such that a newer version is > only supported to the same EoL as the older version, that would pretty much > dictate that spending resources on testing 6.4-REL and/or upgrading would be > futile. > That's the difference between a long-term-support branch and a regular branch; many OSes do that. If you want to run the same machines for a long time and not have to do a huge battery of tests (at the expense of getting new features and better performance in the interim), you use long-term branches. The regular branches that get released later, will then become unsupported at the same time as the (older) long-term branch. Yes, it's poor when a long-term branch goes EoL before there's another one ready to take its place, but if the new one isn't ready, then you just use whichever regular release is current and then snag a long-term release when it becomes available. Yes, it's more work, but that's life. -Ben Kaduk From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 21:36:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E37A1065685 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal4.es.net [198.124.252.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E935A8FC1B for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:36:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal4.es.net (Postal Node 4) with ESMTP (SSL) id LEP10258; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:36:58 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id BDB444500F; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) To: "Kai Otto" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:24:49 +0200." <69919f4a0809050424n374cea16rb194b04ad55cd59d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1220650616_6596P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:36:56 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20080905213656.BDB444500F@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.4.29 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ;; X-Sender: X-To_Name: Kai Otto X-To_Domain: googlemail.com X-To: "Kai Otto" X-To_Email: kais.deliverymail@googlemail.com X-To_Alias: kais.deliverymail Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:36:59 -0000 --==_Exmh_1220650616_6596P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline > Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 13:24:49 +0200 > From: "Kai Otto" > Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Kai Otto > Date: 2008/9/5 > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content > To: Tom Evans > > > Hello > > I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure. > IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-browser in the standard > installation (with option to not install it in sysinstall). > I say HTML and not web because I think about the /usr/share/doc > .html-documentation. If someone really has no Internet-connection as > mentioned before he/she isn't able to read the handbook, which IMHO is a > very important part of FreeBSD. There are great manpages and exaple files, > but the best explanations are in the handbook. These days a web browser is almost essential. The question is lynx or links? I prefer links, but lynx is more popular. I hope you don't insist on a GUI. Those things are far too big and require an X install. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 --==_Exmh_1220650616_6596P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 06/03/2002 iD8DBQFIwaZ4kn3rs5h7N1ERAj/MAJoDQnKkg5kYUGLUP5XIjLRPLFkfqwCgkZtO 8dbyKxVUtRpAhi8oR7c3DtE= =QVo3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1220650616_6596P-- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 03:43:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B18C1065675 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:43:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C6D18FC17 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 03:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@koitsu.dyndns.org) Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BDyv1a01E0EZKEL56FjVJN; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:43:29 +0000 Received: from koitsu.dyndns.org ([67.180.253.227]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id BFjT1a00G4v8bD73MFjUnA; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:43:29 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=QycZ5dHgAAAA:8 a=-yb-LGygS6l8jHFI5Z8A:9 a=akxO4LCtaoROwQjcKwcgTPGQcRMA:4 a=EoioJ0NPDVgA:10 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by icarus.home.lan (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A167A17B81A; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 20:43:27 -0700 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Pyun YongHyeon Message-ID: <20080906034327.GA74236@icarus.home.lan> References: <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> <20080905053455.GD65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20080905055423.GA37775@icarus.home.lan> <20080905060642.GF65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20080905092633.GA53234@icarus.home.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080905092633.GA53234@icarus.home.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Peter Jeremy , Dan Allen , Gavin Atkinson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:43:31 -0000 On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:26:33AM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 03:06:42PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 10:54:23PM -0700, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 05, 2008 at 02:34:55PM +0900, Pyun YongHyeon wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 04, 2008 at 01:22:32PM -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > > > The http://people.freebsd.org/~yongari/msk/msk.88E8040.patch patch for > > > > > the 88E8040 simply doesn't work. It is not because of lack of testing > > > > > (which I have performed for Pyun who wrote the patch), but apparently > > > > > because of lack of reliable documentation. There is a driver for > > > > > > > > Another problem is lack of hardware. 88E8040 seems to be intialized > > > > after applying the patch but link establishment seem to fail. :-( > > > > > I can purchase and send you a Marvel 88E8040 NIC, assuming we can find a > > > PCI or PCIe card somewhere that uses one. Otherwise, I could purchase a > > > motherboard which uses the IC and send that to you. > > > > > > > I failed to find a standalone PCI/PCIe NIC based on 88E8040 > > controller in local store. > > I'll look around, and if I can't find anything, contact Marvell asking > which of their clients use their 88E8040 in standalone PCI/PCIe NICs. > > If push comes to shove, I'll pick up a motherboard that has the 88E8040 > on it and ship it to you free of cost. I cannot find a single PCI/PCIe card that uses the 88E8040. There do not appear to be any consumer motherboards that use the 88E8040 either. I haven't mailed Marvell yet, but I doubt they'd disclose to me a list of their customers who purchase said chip. The only product I can find on the market which uses this chip are a two Dell laptops: the Inspiron 1525 and the XPS M1530. The Inspiron 1525 is approximately US$499, and the XPS M1530 is approximately US$1000. Both of these are quite expensive, so purchasing one solely for this project would put a pretty large hole in my pocket. Ironically, I just bought an Inspiron 1525 for a friend of mine's son as a birthday gift, so I do have access to one indirectly, and can probably borrow it for a day or two if need be. It lacks a serial port, so I'd have to buy a USB serial adapter for serial console if remote console was needed. All of this seems like a lot of work/hassle, when possibly someone with one of these laptops could hook it up (wirelessly) and provide Yong-Hyeon with remote + root access, while leaving it on/plugged in for a few days. Otherwise, if push comes to shove, I can ask my friend's son if I can borrow the laptop for a weekend and provide Yong-Hyeon access to it. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 05:15:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3631065674 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 05:15:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [220.233.188.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584898FC19 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 05:15:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m864ph7n007136; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:51:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:51:43 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Kevin Oberman In-Reply-To: <20080905213656.BDB444500F@ptavv.es.net> Message-ID: <20080906141423.N439@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20080905213656.BDB444500F@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Kai Otto Subject: Re: Fwd: FreeBSD 7.1 Content X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:15:43 -0000 On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Kai Otto > > Date: 2008/9/5 > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 7.1 Content > > To: Tom Evans > > > > > > Hello > > > > I think someone mentioned it earlier, but I'm not shure. > > IMHO it would _be_ nice if there's a HTML-browser in the standard > > installation (with option to not install it in sysinstall). > > I say HTML and not web because I think about the /usr/share/doc > > .html-documentation. If someone really has no Internet-connection as > > mentioned before he/she isn't able to read the handbook, which IMHO is a > > very important part of FreeBSD. There are great manpages and exaple files, > > but the best explanations are in the handbook. > > These days a web browser is almost essential. The question is lynx or > links? I prefer links, but lynx is more popular. I hope you don't > insist on a GUI. Those things are far too big and require an X install. Agreed; also that it's much better than lynx, which as I recall used to be installed by older versions, up to 4.X at least .. the installed MOTD even used to advise how to use it with provided handbook and faq URLs. I just booted off the 7.0 disc1 to check, and /usr/local/bin/links is still the default browser in Options, available during installation from another vty. So I was a bit surprised, on rebooting into my so far not much configured 7.0, to find that it hadn't actually been installed. It's a pretty small package, useful enough to at least read local docs, and would be handy installed from disc1 .. and maybe even by bootonly? cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 10:29:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AB21065677 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:29:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from annona2@gmail.com) Received: from ag-out-0708.google.com (ag-out-0708.google.com [72.14.246.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02AC8FC13 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 10:29:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from annona2@gmail.com) Received: by ag-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id 8so1866845agc.3 for ; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:29:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:received:message-id:date:from :to:subject:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=vHPlNTkBAH0GYKs73XRd4L6IGdP4nx8Jf1tbnwxqX08=; b=ohE7Lqcg0ZNi7KtNebUJvqumR/P8H2XDdi2Z38oq0CCY9Bs5walAigbe36ivJiqPnA XKdMB8SUf3BsPnUAZ5F2SWaYTziuO0wWPfN4zamYs8MJHksCaHXFnC7n+NahbPrU5OTh /iI8UjohNQmZN9uHa+ofYv7LIZ1tzX8N+EdEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; b=bJofJ+d3FKU0wiWjzuGDANWuP4ubm4R+q2Kc97zOddwpjVZS46bX8S9+LPHF1qDFWo nAF59y0qIHKvMUrWNadACwlCKk8Jg0AaOzfgcTuv1TGNKAPUW3ciwZ5AYO6slKOMV54U toSVhONXIir7/4enxlTISS69526Cj/RQ9GLco= Received: by 10.142.174.8 with SMTP id w8mr4435875wfe.4.1220696232074; Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softbank219001162114.bbtec.net ( [219.1.162.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm2017142wfi.11.2008.09.06.03.17.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:17:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from softbank219001162114.bbtec.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by softbank219001162114.bbtec.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m86AH8IK001307 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:17:08 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from annona2@gmail.com) Message-Id: <200809061017.m86AH8IK001307@softbank219001162114.bbtec.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:17:08 +0900 From: annona2@gmail.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.2 (i386-pc-freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: idea about FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 10:29:41 -0000 Hello. I have an idea that, in FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE, the code of freebsd-update is included. If SA is announced, it would be nice. When so, iso-image is still 7.1-RELEASE not 7.1-RELEASE-p1. So, if someone intend to install 7.1-RELEASE, and if network is coonnected, the installer runs the freebsd-update script and it will be secure install. Please take this idea into account. Sincerely, G. Otsuji. From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 11:06:14 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065781065672 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [209.31.154.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B6A8FC1C for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [209.31.154.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F5946B42; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 07:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:06:12 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Ben Kaduk In-Reply-To: <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Jo Rhett , freebsd-stable , Wesley Shields , Nathan Way Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:06:14 -0000 On Fri, 5 Sep 2008, Ben Kaduk wrote: > To quote from the same website: > Early adopter > Releases which are published from the -CURRENT branch will be > supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 6 months after the > release. > Normal > Releases which are published from a -STABLE branch will be > supported by the Security Officer for a minimum of 12 months after the > release. > Extended > Selected releases will be supported by the Security Officer for a > minimum of 24 months after the release. > > I don't remember seeing any speculation about 6.4 being an extended release, > so, EoL is 12 months after release, whenever that actually happens. Unfortunately, it's a little hard to tell at time-of-release whether a particular release will become extended life or not. This is because extended support status is dependent on the success of the release (i.e., general perception of stability and performance), but also based on the success of other simultaneously releasing branches. We normally don't make a .0 release "extended support" because there's a reasonable expectation that .0 releases will see more limited deployment than, say, a .1 or .2 release, and that those incrementally later releases will be significantly more stable or performant as a resut of the burn-in the .0 received from earlier branch adopters. How long we keep release 6.x releases will depend entirely on how successful 7.x is; I think there's a reasonable expectation that 6.4 or 6.5 will be the last 6.x release, in which case we would want to grant it extended support status. But what happens depends a lot on how successful 7.1 is. My hopes are high, but there's nothing like real-world deployment to shed light on things :-). Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge > > I thought this was mentioned in the previous thread you started about EoL, > but I didn't see it in a quick search. > >>> The answer to that is not clear - >>> nor do I know if it should be clear yet. I don't know when the type of >>> support decision is made, but I suspect it's not this early in the >>> process. >> >> >> The release date for 6.4 is ~30 days away, isn't it? >> >> Also given that we've previously seen overlaps such that a newer version is >> only supported to the same EoL as the older version, that would pretty much >> dictate that spending resources on testing 6.4-REL and/or upgrading would be >> futile. >> > > That's the difference between a long-term-support branch and a regular branch; > many OSes do that. If you want to run the same machines for a long time and > not have to do a huge battery of tests (at the expense of getting new features > and better performance in the interim), you use long-term branches. > The regular branches that get released later, will then become unsupported > at the same time as the (older) long-term branch. > > Yes, it's poor when a long-term branch goes EoL before there's another one > ready to take its place, but if the new one isn't ready, then you just use > whichever regular release is current and then snag a long-term release > when it becomes available. Yes, it's more work, but that's life. > > -Ben Kaduk > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 11:21:09 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76767106566C for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.delphij.net (delphij-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:2c9::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E718FC16 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 11:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (tarsier.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.delphij.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 438F228448 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:21:08 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost (tarsier.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA3DF63463; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:21:07 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([211.166.10.233]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PYU6vghUSC75; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:21:02 +0800 (CST) Received: from charlie.delphij.net (c-76-103-40-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.103.40.85]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75B3BF632F6; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:21:01 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent: mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to: x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WBxOMPJV7Xd+Co2pKmRtYv1tB/mBOUl5dtAcwLY6ZgzcfsmY40dmJ1ZUlOMmRgDmZ KMoOGKiv41OM3wbds3F7g== Message-ID: <48C2679A.3060909@delphij.net> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:20:58 -0700 From: Xin LI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080725) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: annona2@gmail.com References: <200809061017.m86AH8IK001307@softbank219001162114.bbtec.net> In-Reply-To: <200809061017.m86AH8IK001307@softbank219001162114.bbtec.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=18EDEBA0; url=http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: idea about FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@delphij.net List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 11:21:09 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 annona2@gmail.com wrote: > Hello. > I have an idea that, in FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE, the code of freebsd-update > is included. > If SA is announced, it would be nice. > When so, iso-image is still 7.1-RELEASE not 7.1-RELEASE-p1. > So, if someone intend to install 7.1-RELEASE, and if network is coonnected, > the installer runs the freebsd-update script and it will be secure install. > Please take this idea into account. Perhaps a nightly script (i.e. 350.freebsd-update which basically do freebsd-update cron) would be better, as it ? Note that we can even make the script configurable to install and reboot system. Also, I always wish that the official installation disc to ship with a portsnap tarball which included the snapshot at the tagged time, instead of just do a tarball of export of CVS ports/, and use portsnap instead. This will make the first time portsnap execution much less painful. Another idea is to ship /var/db/mergemaster.mtree with the installation. Cheers, - -- Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkjCZ5YACgkQi+vbBBjt66ADLACgslzT7cfwEDLQ8xfqZlS/Uq8L DXwAoJ/4Fncws7urXm4qI2dux0R3f9RZ =5vgr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 14:03:40 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D351065671 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@areilly.bpa.nu) Received: from nskntqsrv03p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntqsrv03p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D06D8FC14 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 14:03:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrew@areilly.bpa.nu) Received: from nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([124.188.162.219]) by nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20080906090000.LJKL1862.nskntmtas02p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:00:00 +0000 Received: from areilly.bpa.nu ([124.188.162.219]) by nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20080906090000.VREN29987.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@areilly.bpa.nu> for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 09:00:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 4100 invoked by uid 501); 6 Sep 2008 08:59:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 18:59:40 +1000 From: Andrew Reilly To: "O. Hartmann" Message-ID: <20080906085940.GA3141@duncan.reilly.home> References: <48BD0C5A.4060706@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD3FCC.2080506@kasimir.com> <48BD43DA.4010805@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <48BD46BB.9060407@icyb.net.ua> <48BD4D84.4030209@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48BD4D84.4030209@zedat.fu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-RPD-ScanID: Class unknown; VirusThreatLevel unknown, RefID str=0001.0A150203.48C24690.005A,ss=1,fgs=0 Cc: Florian Smeets , FreeBSD Stable , Andriy Gapon Subject: Re: nVidia driver update today: renders X11 unusable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 14:03:40 -0000 On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:28:20PM +0000, O. Hartmann wrote: > How can I selectively 'downgrade' a port? I've never had the nv driver be able to happily (or at all, really) drive my LCD screen, so I've been using the VESA driver. Works pretty OK. So it's not accelerated, but chips and busses are fast these days, and the nv driver isn't doing 3D accel anyway. I saw the nv driver update come up, and was going to give it another go, but maybe I'll wait for a bit... FWIW my system is an Athlon X2 box with NVIDIA motherboard chipset and a cheapo 6600LE graphics card. Anyway, my point is that you should be able to use the VESA driver as a fall-back until the nv driver starts to work (again?) Cheers, Andrew From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 19:12:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADFA1065673 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: from mail.utahbroadband.com (mail.utahbroadband.com [204.14.20.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5168FC20 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danallen46@airwired.net) Received: (qmail 19985 invoked by uid 89); 6 Sep 2008 18:38:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.16?) (danallen46@airwired.net@66.29.174.6) by 0 with ESMTPA; 6 Sep 2008 18:38:22 -0000 Message-Id: From: Dan Allen To: Jeremy Chadwick In-Reply-To: <20080906034327.GA74236@icarus.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:12:29 -0600 References: <20080903191454.GA15376@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <1220545795.94705.15.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <49B92D81-74EC-4BAB-BEEC-EC4DCFF5E336@airwired.net> <1220550536.94705.18.camel@buffy.york.ac.uk> <48C02768.1080207@math.missouri.edu> <20080905053455.GD65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20080905055423.GA37775@icarus.home.lan> <20080905060642.GF65464@cdnetworks.co.kr> <20080905092633.GA53234@icarus.home.lan> <20080906034327.GA74236@icarus.home.lan> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Cc: Pyun YongHyeon , Peter Jeremy , Gavin Atkinson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Inspiron 1525 Hardware X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 19:12:31 -0000 On 5 Sep 2008, at 9:43 PM, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I cannot find a single PCI/PCIe card that uses the 88E8040. I wonder how Ubuntu supports this ethernet chip? It is amazing that only two Dell's use this chip. Maybe it is not worth worrying about after all... Don't kill yourself over this. It is not the end of the world. It appears I will be able to get my Intel 4965 Wireless working in which case I can use that. I have lots of computers in which I can run FreeBSD. Dan From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 6 20:42:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 515C01065674 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:42:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richardtector@thekeelecentre.com) Received: from mx0.thekeelecentre.com (mx0.thekeelecentre.com [217.206.238.167]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBAB48FC1F for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from richardtector@thekeelecentre.com) Received: from localhost (filter.mx0.thekeelecentre.com [217.206.238.165]) by mx0.thekeelecentre.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E165645028 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:22:45 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at thekeelecentre.com Received: from mx0.thekeelecentre.com ([217.206.238.167]) by localhost (filter.mx0.thekeelecentre.com [217.206.238.165]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nImpjidiWxUm for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.0.2.11] (82-71-32-9.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.71.32.9]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx0.thekeelecentre.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B2045023 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 2008 21:22:31 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <48C2E676.5000104@thekeelecentre.com> Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:22:14 +0100 From: Richard Tector User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080408020404090905030806" Subject: Problem with mod_fcgid on AMD64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:42:01 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms080408020404090905030806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Earlier today I reinstalled one of our web servers (Dell PowerEdge 860 running dual or quad core Xeons) with amd64 RELENG_7 as of today, replacing i386 RELENG_7 from about a month back (clean install). After installing Apache 2.2.9 and mod_fcgid 2.2 from ports exactly as on the other i386 machines, Apache fails to start with: [Sat Sep 06 19:48:19 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/local/sbin/suexec) [Sat Sep 06 19:48:19 2008] [emerg] (12)Cannot allocate memory: mod_fcgid: Can't create share memory for size %zu byte The only information I can find on the web relating to this error suggests (on Linux) adding a SharememPath config option to httpd.conf, but setting this makes no difference. A zero byte file is created, and that's it. The exact same configuration works fine with i386. Is it possible there is some incompatibility with amd64? 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:21:56 -0000 Hi, On a 7.0-STABLE i386 web server, I got kernel messages reporting problems with PV entries: Approaching the limit on PV entries, consider increasing either the vm.pmap.shpgperproc or the vm.pmap.pv_entry_max tunable. This server (DELL poweredge R200 quad core 4G RAM) is having random hang every few weeks (need power off/on cycle, IPMI not responding any more with those hangs) , but I don't know if the hangs are related to a PV entries problem. Before increasing blindly vm.pmap.shpgperproc , I would like to evaluate a good value for vm.pmap.shpgperproc (default 200) because I remember reading somewhere that increasing too much shpgperproc could result in panic at boot time or later. If I guess correctly (I did not find any understandable by me documentation on vm.pmap.*) vm.pmap.pv_entry_count is the value of currently used PV entries . My idea was to use procstat -av output to compute some statistics about the number of PV entries needed by various kind of process (apache, ...) It should be possible to compute a good evaluation of vm.pmap.pv_entry_count by adding some combination of RES,PRES, SHD columns. When I add RES,PRES, SHD values, the result is bigger than pv_entry_count. What is the formula to retrieve pv_entry_count from procstat output or in other words, how to compute the number of PV entries used by a process ? Regards, -- Laurent Frigault |