From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 17 10:46:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7D2106566C for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 10:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daem0nb0y@yahoo.com) Received: from web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com (web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.236.154]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73B958FC0C for ; Sun, 17 May 2009 10:46:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daem0nb0y@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 57540 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2009 10:20:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1242555614; bh=3ElDTHZXr5hJXViIh9JcWinVSOQwHV//5Iwh7j9Jhoc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0tM26UkQuTpd+sZj3V53j9MxqMNBMjbKlltZnQ3+/VOchLwFYFp8aa+Xk+pQBmhHm5blI/wPeSdL2lzRR99H45/Yr2tu9YVg2xUDln4J5q2GYappaMYil/VEqfe3PsGIznmPJRccry1Q9rMJ8oQCXE3yc7HCPkVUQ1qozHcq4Jo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=k8EsDBZTfRvxM9reCmnRPH/t3XbdPF7LhwVZShf7ZE502kS7Zr91MRBhoKabujbEqmLTzFjYHlJ+gyasTLx6hSnpanqrcjWZwTycBkt2WKQMP0WGUFU3AJKJoUjHym7H0/iw96FEFAPr2UVFHe4m3R/IVOEbKoCXzqr6un2oGFM=; Message-ID: <149083.56226.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: GEUWcpoVM1kSMukNAJlMs7bUPoNFiqGWdCjnk6QnCaH5rt0zA3cgZAL_F946LApBsU6k5qVzpNIFCjRTwUNCRwwBhBTiPd1pH24YCer._UFRWx9cAlTxrCqmh5NUsHDfPeJvFUtrh5XQ7oWpFYW.5er06E9o2oAHksevoudZo37tlNAZ83leb9uepUKmBUoVzwKU9oOLZnKToTSvQepc..EEb0gf932hpzzDmVrn_VBSvglKC_2bP2pSNJODV9H3aIoq3mSLlB4NhZkYJKERbCrCr5n8ORIVgj06dN75PMqFPf4Ce7YTDA-- Received: from [72.249.170.153] by web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 17 May 2009 03:20:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.10 Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 03:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Alipio To: chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:29:26 +0000 Cc: Subject: Thank you freebsd!!... (to all newbs out there, learn while you can) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 10:46:57 -0000 Hi, It's been 4 years since I earned my BS degree in Information technology. I came from a place where many people can hardly sustain the expenses of their children even though their already sending them to low-tuition fee public state universities. Back in my college days, I was one of those many people taking up computer courses who unfortunately couldn't afford to buy our own computer. In public schools such as where I went, on the average, a group of 5 students gets to share one computer during laboratory sessions. The result of which, many students like me, could not get any more confused on what our professors are teaching us. During those days, after every grueling quiz on programming, I always go home telling myself, it could have been a lot different if I had my own computer at home to practice with. Better a laptop I could carry at school. Heck, I could not even afford to pay for our visual basic programming book in just one installment. I shouldn't have had to copy my seatmate's work just to pass every 10-item computer programming quiz I took at the end of every class. It wasn't until the mid of the first semester of my last year in college that I saw some hope when my mother took a loan to buy me a desktop. (I remember it was an athlon 1.2ghz). I opted for that brand because it was way cheaper than the Intel counterpart. After finishing college, I had a really hard time finding a job. My skills were simply not enough. Indicating that I programmed a payroll system as my thesis in my resume did not get much attention. I have a classmate who was very smart because he's got his own computer. He was ahead of everyone else when it comes to computer lessons. The result of course, he landed a job immediately after graduating. Mentioning that he was a webmaster on some linux forum/usergroup was more than enough for people to hire him as a sysadmin (not bad for a fresh graduate). At that point, I told myself, if I want to land a job, I have to do self studies. I have to learn what that guy already knows and even exceed him. I started playing with my computer a bit more. I installed Linux, formatted my pc many times. I had to be smarter than him so I've chosen a more difficult to learn distro (slackware) than what he was using (debian). I could not be contented so I searched the Internet for an alternative. Then I found freebsd. At some point I found my self engaging in operating system war, linux vs freebsd, gpl vs bsd, etc. I was happy and proud. I even got happier when I landed on my first job as a system administrator. I can still remember during the interview, they asked me how do I install freebsd. I told them, there are many ways, but the way I did it by minimal install because I only have a dial-up connection at home. If it wasn't for freebsd I wouldn't be where I'm at right now. It's been quite some time now since I typed into a freebsd csh shell. For my second job, it was for a Linux sysadmin position. Then I got a job abroad as a penetration tester. To be honest I never used freebsd again after leaving my first job. Now i'm working as a security consultant/pentester/auditior, earning about 10 times more than what I was earning in my first job. At home I got a shiny macbook pro which I never thought I would be able to afford not even after working for several years in our country. This morning I finally finished reading The C Programming Language (K&R) and I would say I was able to absorb 90% of the language's essentials. Or just about enough so I would know where to refer back in case I'm having trouble solving a particular problem. A few months back I told myself. I don't want to be just a penetration tester for the rest of my career. Someday, I want to become a chief technology officer. I know some folks who are CTOs that have given talks to various conferences, and they all have one thing in common. They have been hardcore technical at some point in their careers. I know my simple perl scripting skills would not get me where I want to be, that's why I opted to dig deeper and take my skillz to a higher level. Forgive me for I'm no longer using freebsd. I know a lot of folks who used to be freebsd sysadmins, as they progress in their career, just like me, they no longer have to use this wonderful operating system. I hope one day I would be able to give back to the community. The one reason why I'm using Linux right now is because some tools I need to use for my work has not been ported to freebsd yet. Maybe one day, once I get the hang of this programming language I just learned, I would be able to contribute back to freebsd by porting applications. That's the only way I can repay the community. I remember the question I posted to freebsd-questions when I was still a newb, I asked "Who am I mailing to", asking them if they are paid to do so because they were very helpful. Every question I ask there was always someone willing to answer. I know there are so many people who already posted something with the same subject line. This time it's my turn to say... Thank You FreeBSD!! -mark From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 19 13:37:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1911065695 for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:37:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0808FC1C for ; Tue, 19 May 2009 13:37:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4JDb7nK024820; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:37:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n4JDb74d024819; Tue, 19 May 2009 15:37:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:37:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200905191337.n4JDb74d024819@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200905151738.n4FHcm5u029947@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 19 May 2009 15:37:31 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD jobs X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 13:37:34 -0000 Julian Stacey wrote: > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > [[ moved thread to -chat ]] > > I already subsequently wrote to Achim: on hackers@ This is completely off-topic on hackers@. > > You'r right on adults & free choice, I'll drop that rather than drift. > > I will stick to commitment & discuss that no further on hackers or chat. > > > What I was trying to illustrate is what jobs@ censors pass & block. > > That's on hackers@. chat@ is for off topic non FreeBSD related. I'm afraid that's not correct. Basically, the chat@ list is for everything that would be off-topic on the other lists. That includes FreeBSD-related topics as well as non FreeBSD-related topics. The FreeBSD Handbook says: "For free-form discussion on no particular topic, the FreeBSD chat mailing list is freely available and should be used instead." > FreeBSD censorship is FreeBSD related. You mean moderation, not censorship. The jobs@ list is a perfect example of a list that requires moderation. In fact, this whole thread confirms that point. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "We will perhaps eventually be writing only small modules which are identi- fied by name as they are used to build larger ones, so that devices like indentation, rather than delimiters, might become feasible for expressing local structure in the source language." -- Donald E. Knuth, 1974 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 20 03:46:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D56106566B for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 03:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (s8.stradamotorsports.com [64.81.163.126]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7D18FC08 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 03:46:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.17] ([192.168.1.17]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n4K2oMeN001307; Tue, 19 May 2009 19:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <4A136FEE.3030204@highperformance.net> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:50:22 -0700 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Alipio References: <149083.56226.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <149083.56226.qm@web58301.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thank you freebsd!!... (to all newbs out there, learn while you can) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 03:46:50 -0000 Michael Alipio wrote: > Hi, > ** snip ** Great story. Thanks for sharing. And good luck in the future. When you get to be CTO, be sure and convert all your employees to FreeBSD against their will! :) Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 20 23:34:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B490C106564A for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 23:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.delphij.net (delphij-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:2c9::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1758FC16 for ; Wed, 20 May 2009 23:34:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (tarsier.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.delphij.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 924BD5C087 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:33 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost (tarsier.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C76655CDA55; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:34:33 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([211.166.10.233]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [211.166.10.233]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oka3qJKiSUVx; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:39 +0800 (CST) Received: from charlie.delphij.net (adsl-76-237-33-62.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net [76.237.33.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F073955CDA53; Thu, 21 May 2009 07:33:33 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent: mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wN1kA1lGmGIHTK7BAA+cjjRijEXaEjNwfSLMNJ1ieQkt1XCpiVNSqC4shilwSBmvC forXxf6ruCbbCydT4xR1w== Message-ID: <4A14933A.5000400@delphij.net> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:33:14 -0700 From: Xin LI Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090408) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 OpenPGP: id=18EDEBA0; url=http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: FSF v Cisco on GPL reached settlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@delphij.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 23:34:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For those who are interested: http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-05-cisco-settlement.html - -- Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkoUkzoACgkQi+vbBBjt66BnmwCgoOCfvqq7av9inMmCTwW5T/1O AQIAoMCDL7mEuVu9I+kaHJvX9GBAfcSf =SJpS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 00:36:51 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BB4106566C for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E734C8FC15 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 00:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 9859 invoked from network); 21 May 2009 00:36:50 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 May 2009 00:36:50 -0000 Message-ID: <4A14A22A.8070504@telenix.org> Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 20:36:58 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: d@delphij.net References: <4A14933A.5000400@delphij.net> In-Reply-To: <4A14933A.5000400@delphij.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FSF v Cisco on GPL reached settlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:36:51 -0000 Xin LI wrote: > For those who are interested: > > http://www.fsf.org/news/2009-05-cisco-settlement.html > Huh. The results of this aren't going to be what the FSF prays for, I think. I've worked for more than one company who said, basically, that they would contribute "tomorrow". They really honestly never wanted to, and were just expecting that they'd never be sued over it ... no few are in direct non-compliance, I'm sure a lot of you folks know as many companies that do this as I do, that part of this mail is no guess at all. I expect that one major fallout of this is going to be, a number of companies waking up and realizing that they maybe should quit waiting for the other shoe to drop, and take some sort of pre-emptive action. I'm sure the FSF expects that a large number of companies will just start living up to the rules, but I'm wondering if instead, a large slice of those companies are either going to buy one of the *many* reasonably priced OS alternatives, or even go for one of the BSD's (the BSD's all have some really strong companies offering a good level of support). I don't know, don't even have a guess, as to what fraction of folks will decide to go to a Linux alternative, but I think it'll be more than the FSF thinks it'll be. It's even possible that FreeBSD will itself get a user bump out of our more open license, because at least some of those companies will look, and see what's out there to be gotten. Like I said, it won't be a gigantic percentage, but more than what's expected, I think. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 05:40:12 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3991065692 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:40:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BE418FC0C for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:40:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.net (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23920; Wed, 20 May 2009 23:02:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200905210502.XAA23920@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 23:02:35 -0600 To: Chuck Robey , d@delphij.net From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <4A14A22A.8070504@telenix.org> References: <4A14933A.5000400@delphij.net> <4A14A22A.8070504@telenix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FSF v Cisco on GPL reached settlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 05:40:13 -0000 Note that the FSF says that "compliance" is their number one goal. In other words, they are saying, "Bend over." This is one reason why I am very glad about the work on "un-GNUed" (but fully compatible) versions of utilities such as grep. I am looking forward to the day when I can build FreeBSD with a completely BSD-licensed toolchain. --Brett Glass At 06:36 PM 5/20/2009, Chuck Robey wrote: >I expect that one major fallout of this is going to be, a number of companies >waking up and realizing that they maybe should quit waiting for the other shoe >to drop, and take some sort of pre-emptive action. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 09:11:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EDF106566B for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:11:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.248]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57B08FC14 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 09:11:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c3so599611ana.13 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 02:11:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9E9e6Dkdo1C3tsTPAN2Q8JXGGvXkVT0oC645uTe9fGQ=; b=evTK7U39OYNIYIuQJyuY7ZAuLph6We3hj3YbwXeLxaKb+p75D549BIipwZ52s2vcU5 nxMR/wVWlko3Vloio6jB0qYcbipRR1rjtPPtOXE4aY0WThrP2R4sx9kCM3iAJVjNJHfg hTjKj/8fDRM6655QSaUp0Z8hyMXNC9wEq27kk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=HMRXpWts2YuYTPK7YP8/dv1yGN91DLltqNQQtG1jitUT67j5g44pIZatrKxsKXQq6a 59j+Su3szEzK/v+J3SBzRUPEOcXZ2XDhT/JhIfffYwKkHQAOUljdjxq1JgmE/JyqWhmK 6R78cq0ahRRfpZB4+N6JRhRSmQFS+9kE1ths4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.91.19 with SMTP id o19mr4532530anb.48.1242895575063; Thu, 21 May 2009 01:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 04:46:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: Aryeh Friedman To: Garrett McNeill , Shawn Rajan , "Dorothy L. Nixon" , FreeBSD chat , aegis-users , cathy , John Sokol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: an interesting observatation X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:11:20 -0000 There seems to be a inverse square law of Moore's Law at work between the amount of available processor power and the actual end-user applications neing used on a typical day seem to be inverse perportiant and the actual ratio is apparently a constant over time. I have always wondered why UNIX and FreeBSD in particular (vs. Windows or even the old non-BSD based MacOS) have a constant that is much closer to the end of preferring to idle the processor then have it chase down some low priority daemon that never gets called. One thing that occured to me in this process is that there is most defently an growth curve over time of the ratio of meta-data/code and the actual engine (local or remote). This force tool developers to err on the side of caution when writing any middle ware and/or build utilities... thus these increase the ratio on favorablely and then the OS and App need to compensate for this caution by a more complex API which then just starts the cycle all over again... I have always marveled about how UNIX and BSD in particular avoided the feature and every possible case handled heavy OS and as a result the upper layers need to conform to a much simpler API (thus dampining the cycle)... comments? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 11:12:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6530C1065672 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 11:12:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrune@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3988FC12 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 11:12:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrune@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so402511rvb.43 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 04:12:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qDlXV5MtqdqJy19Nq8Tdp2tPe3euqUowUnxQI/Bk1Iw=; b=B4Llom9Toqn5cRdryX+ear09mC4rO9PzcJViyMLm61kJOXTdoe5Ro0ipN64e2/YmVy ifooJXp0TyUalpXhPyLSOhplRpUbBRiiHQlnXzYmQlX/I7dhE9BmLnu7ynNFV7t/3ogF WL7LeX3Njig8Kl09zfy3ywaGU+FtnLwpMiG3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=BUnbacJwMXlj/h54myVQNmxEzcOSTBYBvX9QDMKZbil5mxwFAk4h4E1X4aSWbP4ZpW j+yWtUwS0xLf/gzNXqiUZ0amW5p/7fjsGM55p9zSx/6MIE3fMBMvBSD19zPi3B9TAFbp g3qJPb+MFDl89muBBWjtPKCL1xWCSFOuZZA8U= Received: by 10.141.198.9 with SMTP id a9mr1085335rvq.7.1242902844129; Thu, 21 May 2009 03:47:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-24-17-79-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.17.79.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm6229692rvf.14.2009.05.21.03.47.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 May 2009 03:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 03:46:27 -0700 From: james User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat , GSLUG References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <339358.92256.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <893823750904221446j1f955fbx508d1cb4f340dec@mail.gmail.com> <49EF9F4D.7060501@foster.cc> <49EFC042.7040004@gmail.com> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:12:49 -0000 are scripts that you make to make your life easier forbidden to share? I've been sharing mine at http://fishy.ath.cx/scripts.html which are just simple scripts to solve problems... I wonder how many times people have written the same scripts because they weren't available. Anyways just an idea to create a site to share scripts, instead of having them scattered across the internet and not knowing for what you're even looking for exists. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 12:45:42 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE75C1065676 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:45:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony.theodore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.216.174]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8EA8FC1B for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 12:45:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tony.theodore@gmail.com) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so942677pxi.3 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:45:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EkR7mkApnp7SccY3y2bsF+YHoKqCyShOZsg43j/oRbs=; b=k2k3+ktrLmdkb0Ie6dhGiIijo89VJS3YN4Vk/q5bNquWxlz3IunDhh3cIQJetf/5D+ GDxU5cOef6cw6kzL1zKqt4eYzl2pYsSTr6z74hn82HXRbeUlE3cRRggs3Af3cI4ko6qr 7FApvv25tJyzyjt0nC0KtdH2ZtrvUzXEJVlfE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NmdIcny1vcGV6+l3ZBqahqy5U+cazRMynLbY3yRrd1IF7aoVXsuxB8DbL4VKGWAPqy q41dzcaxlldR4UO4GAqRKy7+bJqYdCbw2p20xVOKfNEKnokxX9VpLQAxye1Hj91ZkzRZ HAldhAm4riB8FieQtCYC9QTRXZvYxczCzqse4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: tony.theodore@gmail.com Received: by 10.114.103.1 with SMTP id a1mr5025641wac.218.1242908055932; Thu, 21 May 2009 05:14:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200905210502.XAA23920@lariat.net> References: <4A14933A.5000400@delphij.net> <4A14A22A.8070504@telenix.org> <200905210502.XAA23920@lariat.net> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:14:15 +1000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1d50045d35da1e80 Message-ID: <22166b750905210514n3b0c0702p11de1fd05bc9c89a@mail.gmail.com> From: Tony Theodore To: Brett Glass Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: d@delphij.net, Chuck Robey , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FSF v Cisco on GPL reached settlement X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:45:43 -0000 2009/5/21 Brett Glass : > Note that the FSF says that "compliance" is their number one goal. In other > words, they are saying, "Bend over." > > This is one reason why I am very glad about the work on "un-GNUed" (but > fully compatible) versions of utilities such as grep. I am looking forward > to the day when I can build FreeBSD with a completely BSD-licensed > toolchain. > You have to wonder when the FAQ is nearly longer than the license itself, but the compatibility matrix sums it up nicely http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility Regards, Tony From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 15:52:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFAF0106564A; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C088FC12; Thu, 21 May 2009 15:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from bigwig.baldwin.cx (66.111.2.69.static.nyinternet.net [66.111.2.69]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42B5546B2D; Thu, 21 May 2009 11:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhbbsd.hudson-trading.com (unknown [209.249.190.8]) by bigwig.baldwin.cx (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1164E8A026; Thu, 21 May 2009 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: George Neville-Neil Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 11:48:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20090521.085256.-1989816394.imp@bsdimp.com> <552187D6-D700-4BFE-BCA3-8EDC29E7DC5B@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <552187D6-D700-4BFE-BCA3-8EDC29E7DC5B@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200905211148.14036.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0.1 (bigwig.baldwin.cx); Thu, 21 May 2009 11:52:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95 at bigwig.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=4.2 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on bigwig.baldwin.cx Cc: chat@freebsd.org, "M. Warner Losh" Subject: Re: svn commit: r192398 - in head/usr.bin: . perror X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:52:54 -0000 On Thursday 21 May 2009 11:11:12 am George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On May 21, 2009, at 10:52 , M. Warner Losh wrote: > > > In message: <20090521110115.GA50355@FreeBSD.org> > > Alexey Dokuchaev writes: > > : > Given how easy it is to "grep <> /usr/include/sys/ > > errno.h" or > > : > perl -e '$! = <>; print "$!\n";' > > : > I'm not sure of the utility of this tool. > > : > > : User scripts should not depend on presence of system include files. > > : Now, just to mention, Nick's suggestion about dropping extra noise > > : actually good one. > > > > There's also internationalization that actually happens too, right? > > That doesn't happen with grep.. > > Sorry to not jump in sooner, but I just wanted to say... > > The reason for this program is that it makes it easier for sysadmins > and script > writers to make sense of programs which they do not control the source > for. > The program will continue to work no matter how we expand or change > errno.h. > > Best, > George > > PS I'd like to paint it red. ____ _ / ___|_ __ ___ ___ _ __ | | | | _| '__/ _ \/ _ \ '_ \| | | |_| | | | __/ __/ | | |_| \____|_| \___|\___|_| |_(_) -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 19:43:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DDC10656D9 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BDF8FC24 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD6850A8F; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:23:37 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QKCdzKVxsNu7; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:23:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp-auth.unixathome.org (smtp-auth.unixathome.org [10.4.7.7]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B99BD50A88 ; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:23:35 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:23:24 -0400 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090422) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: james References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <339358.92256.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <893823750904221446j1f955fbx508d1cb4f340dec@mail.gmail.com> <49EF9F4D.7060501@foster.cc> <49EFC042.7040004@gmail.com> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Chat , GSLUG Subject: Re: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:43:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 james wrote: > are scripts that you make to make your life easier forbidden to share? > > I've been sharing mine at http://fishy.ath.cx/scripts.html which are > just simple scripts to solve problems... I wonder how many times people > have written the same scripts because they weren't available. Anyways > just an idea to create a site to share scripts, instead of having them > scattered across the internet and not knowing for what you're even > looking for exists. Site appears broken/offline/non-responsive. - -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoVqiwACgkQCgsXFM/7nTwogwCZAVLmkyJqGFDomU/SGrseBcZz wooAoNbJ7W028garUGIXOzEOqzLsiqUX =EaUp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 21 20:21:29 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FB7106566B for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C38A8FC1A for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 20:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k40so522523rvb.43 for ; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=izbs/ybl0th0uXAqG/w77HW2Ka83spMEHNGUqoWw/4E=; b=RdWW5VD/zBAlvpjjZUKTwyigERhM+/N3RVkrrVIVMb3lgoBmlHZPx3NETmWCngpV5a IsNTfEtyHiK/hftV28NpfJZl9tUUh0YqL5LkkHxQYRPyBwHsJhE4gtv1+pAjzcuu+XwO 8NFIlsYlr03lzRHkJWVYBgO3CKn493ARvzds8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=RbCMmlhQfutU/ypiUvW/K3I1zZj/RG68Jam7IZKBISWalP1I11BgRGJT4gG1JTu+e7 XU01v+YFcWPU6Jd8vs0B4iuM1kLXsEj9h8e/P1fJo1aur8cFiGT0eonzHMU1IgQ9Phm8 3/I1n7j7xFjVfqQESqwu4rODH13ll6iT8DpqY= Received: by 10.140.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr1393163rve.114.1242937289196; Thu, 21 May 2009 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-24-17-79-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.17.79.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm113937rvf.5.2009.05.21.13.21.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 May 2009 13:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A15B777.3000104@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:20:07 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <339358.92256.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <893823750904221446j1f955fbx508d1cb4f340dec@mail.gmail.com> <49EF9F4D.7060501@foster.cc> <49EFC042.7040004@gmail.com> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> In-Reply-To: <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:21:30 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > james wrote: > >> are scripts that you make to make your life easier forbidden to share? >> >> I've been sharing mine at http://fishy.ath.cx/scripts.html which are >> just simple scripts to solve problems... I wonder how many times people >> have written the same scripts because they weren't available. Anyways >> just an idea to create a site to share scripts, instead of having them >> scattered across the internet and not knowing for what you're even >> looking for exists. >> > > Site appears broken/offline/non-responsive. > > - -- > Dan Langille > > BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ > PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoVqiwACgkQCgsXFM/7nTwogwCZAVLmkyJqGFDomU/SGrseBcZz > wooAoNbJ7W028garUGIXOzEOqzLsiqUX > =EaUp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > It seems to work for me from anywhere. try again maybe? downforeveryoneorjustme.com (needs a smaller url) reports fishy.ath.cx as up as well. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 22 09:04:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CFA106564A for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 09:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from gate.criticalsoftware.com (gate.criticalsoftware.com [212.13.37.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F2E8FC23 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 09:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ricardo.meb.jesus@gmail.com) Received: from [192.168.1.21] (unknown [192.168.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate.criticalsoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9919228419; Fri, 22 May 2009 09:33:00 +0100 (WEST) Message-ID: <4A16633D.5070606@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:33:01 +0100 From: Ricardo Jesus User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (Windows/20090302) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <339358.92256.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <893823750904221446j1f955fbx508d1cb4f340dec@mail.gmail.com> <49EF9F4D.7060501@foster.cc> <49EFC042.7040004@gmail.com> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> In-Reply-To: <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: james , FreeBSD Chat , GSLUG Subject: Re: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ricardo.m.jesus@criticalsoftware.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 09:04:17 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > james wrote: >> are scripts that you make to make your life easier forbidden to share? >> >> I've been sharing mine at http://fishy.ath.cx/scripts.html which are >> just simple scripts to solve problems... I wonder how many times people >> have written the same scripts because they weren't available. Anyways >> just an idea to create a site to share scripts, instead of having them >> scattered across the internet and not knowing for what you're even >> looking for exists. > > Site appears broken/offline/non-responsive. > > - -- > Dan Langille > > BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ > PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoVqiwACgkQCgsXFM/7nTwogwCZAVLmkyJqGFDomU/SGrseBcZz > wooAoNbJ7W028garUGIXOzEOqzLsiqUX > =EaUp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Site is fine here. Very nice contents too ;) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 22 11:05:38 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A025E1065672 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alive@dienub.org) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA178FC1C for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 11:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alive@dienub.org) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so1647695fxm.43 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 04:05:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.113.132 with SMTP id a4mr3422226bkq.27.1242988563158; Fri, 22 May 2009 03:36:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090413140912.GC29833@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <49E2FBE2.8020305@gmail.com> <20090413140912.GC29833@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:36:03 +0200 Message-ID: From: Rada alive To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: My whitespace style (was: Why?? (prog question)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 11:05:38 -0000 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:09 PM, David Kelly wrote: > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 10:46:26AM +0200, deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: > > Tabs are better, because they allow the programmer to specify the > > desired width, and is dynamically changable at any time. > > Spaces are better because they let the author specify the formatting and > not left to some other re-interpretation. But you're the one re-interpreting the tab width. It's a setting in your editor. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 22 19:46:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A4B106566B for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 19:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f106.google.com (mail-px0-f106.google.com [209.85.216.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90018FC17 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 19:46:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by pxi4 with SMTP id 4so1749905pxi.3 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:46:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=m9wVlcdLrYPX6RxIHJiq8XthxWVHqtLtdOy3mQNrIrY=; b=VZhQcg+yZ1PkL2HpIdzMIVKvAGoYV2qlqauE4swpl20/6/Tdf4dofVWRTr1iHr6jxp 1Ckp4kquqKI2EQhin7i+hT25rzmF0l/LOre/sGICcCPvZThe/eadTz3/sspRZYJKPRZS p03VnNmIWiYZjGmJaUiFH6iKxtzxNn0J+Y3/w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=eJfLRgfHXU4m8Hj8SbG1cm44psxp8wja+7ZqspHQavf/nFAqadk1wkXD8yk4SvDl7F 0kI1PpYnJuajnZyWHmgiSi/zmlXnBPYI1hYCZHw6g7yQqc/zgumwF2ZBZN9+5G1fmzZP URLCLHWE43qr3bIzAEkJNTtcn1tisqBnJ8VYs= Received: by 10.143.9.11 with SMTP id m11mr1427309wfi.44.1243021574102; Fri, 22 May 2009 12:46:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-24-17-79-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.17.79.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm3078651wfc.14.2009.05.22.12.46.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 May 2009 12:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1700CD.7010703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 12:45:17 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <339358.92256.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <893823750904221446j1f955fbx508d1cb4f340dec@mail.gmail.com> <49EF9F4D.7060501@foster.cc> <49EFC042.7040004@gmail.com> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> <4A16633D.5070606@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A16633D.5070606@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 19:46:15 -0000 Ricardo Jesus wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> james wrote: >>> are scripts that you make to make your life easier forbidden to share? >>> >>> I've been sharing mine at http://fishy.ath.cx/scripts.html which are >>> just simple scripts to solve problems... I wonder how many times people >>> have written the same scripts because they weren't available. Anyways >>> just an idea to create a site to share scripts, instead of having them >>> scattered across the internet and not knowing for what you're even >>> looking for exists. >> >> Site appears broken/offline/non-responsive. >> >> - -- >> Dan Langille >> >> BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ >> PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAkoVqiwACgkQCgsXFM/7nTwogwCZAVLmkyJqGFDomU/SGrseBcZz >> wooAoNbJ7W028garUGIXOzEOqzLsiqUX >> =EaUp >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > Site is fine here. Very nice contents too ;) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Thanks, I just thought I would share them. I see no reason for someone else to reinvent the wheel so I release almost everything I make, I provide decent documentation with them or at least try to. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 22 20:56:18 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E93BA1065679 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 20:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from nyi.unixathome.org (nyi.unixathome.org [64.147.113.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88348FC30 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 20:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD6450A95; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:56:18 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at unixathome.org Received: from nyi.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nyi.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BhBwU8RScRa5; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:56:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtp-auth.unixathome.org (smtp-auth.unixathome.org [10.4.7.7]) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by nyi.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9FB4750A88 ; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:56:16 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4A171165.7010201@langille.org> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 16:56:05 -0400 From: Dan Langille Organization: The FreeBSD Diary User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090422) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: james michael References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <339358.92256.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <893823750904221446j1f955fbx508d1cb4f340dec@mail.gmail.com> <49EF9F4D.7060501@foster.cc> <49EFC042.7040004@gmail.com> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> <4A16633D.5070606@gmail.com> <4A1700CD.7010703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4A1700CD.7010703@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:56:19 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 james michael wrote: > Ricardo Jesus wrote: >> Dan Langille wrote: > james wrote: >>>>> are scripts that you make to make your life easier forbidden to share? >>>>> >>>>> I've been sharing mine at http://fishy.ath.cx/scripts.html which are >>>>> just simple scripts to solve problems... I wonder how many times people >>>>> have written the same scripts because they weren't available. Anyways >>>>> just an idea to create a site to share scripts, instead of having them >>>>> scattered across the internet and not knowing for what you're even >>>>> looking for exists. > > Site appears broken/offline/non-responsive. > >> Site is fine here. Very nice contents too ;) I think I see the problem: $ host fishy.ath.cx fishy.ath.cx has address 127.0.0.1 It appears my upstream is doing something fishy. - -- Dan Langille BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoXEWUACgkQCgsXFM/7nTx7MQCg72sfDj4WWXoIeGjsSg4EHiDC ivcAn2EevSB16uc0bZpUE4XI7hWnRU09 =lzT2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 22 21:52:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 509241065677 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:52:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from mail-px0-f106.google.com (mail-px0-f106.google.com [209.85.216.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A438FC21 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 21:52:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by mail-px0-f106.google.com with SMTP id 4so1791294pxi.3 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:52:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id :disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=BUyoI+8qEU5MaYGMEofB8uQkl7BLhFci9t2jl2/n9Ns=; b=Ov6EufuriZq2naRSmtU8hjr1C3QfdqM1lenlPX+2oJHkEH8V33L6qlhDVzWSrjpmAp /r8umAd8VXcl+3dwJbj3RV4Rm/ImvBIsog0op1mmnyuY6YGU4rMPpvHBPdBmRBALYEtE 9C/p/RY0WfNN2Eyni4wazAyTO07u1+VJqVjDs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=I9Wa9mdhhy2fCT6Ln2rVNhSU/GqofYslJV0XRcKXsE/fIKdOgBDd+lZK+DHxGux/Gj Y0Sw/+d6UF6nfX17j3MWF97vBCtoAMaLFYrCehTz0tSavUdmm2t6zyoq9lXTR9ddpCex QWKAPSqbw6H1vI03R7y45+Yl8yftsGWtyF7gw= Received: by 10.114.182.15 with SMTP id e15mr8805283waf.17.1243029164791; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kapoca.ath.cx (c-24-17-79-168.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [24.17.79.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b39sm1756932rvf.7.2009.05.22.14.52.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 May 2009 14:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A171E75.7000405@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 14:51:49 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Langille References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <339358.92256.qm@web52005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <893823750904221446j1f955fbx508d1cb4f340dec@mail.gmail.com> <49EF9F4D.7060501@foster.cc> <49EFC042.7040004@gmail.com> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> <4A16633D.5070606@gmail.com> <4A1700CD.7010703@gmail.com> <4A171165.7010201@langille.org> In-Reply-To: <4A171165.7010201@langille.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:52:45 -0000 Dan Langille wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > james michael wrote: > >> Ricardo Jesus wrote: >> >>> Dan Langille wrote: >>> >> james wrote: >> >>>>>> are scripts that you make to make your life easier forbidden to share? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been sharing mine at http://fishy.ath.cx/scripts.html which are >>>>>> just simple scripts to solve problems... I wonder how many times people >>>>>> have written the same scripts because they weren't available. Anyways >>>>>> just an idea to create a site to share scripts, instead of having them >>>>>> scattered across the internet and not knowing for what you're even >>>>>> looking for exists. >>>>>> >> Site appears broken/offline/non-responsive. >> >> >>> Site is fine here. Very nice contents too ;) >>> > > I think I see the problem: > > $ host fishy.ath.cx > fishy.ath.cx has address 127.0.0.1 > > It appears my upstream is doing something fishy. > > - -- > Dan Langille > > BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference : http://www.bsdcan.org/ > PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference: http://www.pgcon.org/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkoXEWUACgkQCgsXFM/7nTx7MQCg72sfDj4WWXoIeGjsSg4EHiDC > ivcAn2EevSB16uc0bZpUE4XI7hWnRU09 > =lzT2 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > ... ok that is the funniest joke I have heard about my url and i have heard a lot of them. you win the award. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 23 10:23:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 226AA106564A for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 10:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f168.google.com (mail-fx0-f168.google.com [209.85.220.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AD08FC1A for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 10:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jayton.garnett@gmail.com) Received: by fxm12 with SMTP id 12so2205554fxm.43 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 03:23:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Lsat84MDGGItrgdjJdTaoAsxvW8jJqOgDQTjPws3i3g=; b=aH6zEpR+zHfpnG+ReC1xiw2HsyFY0LVHIoaluo42nviwM275Unp3u9zKzVz0DndojN upGWs0YN8uw7MfTTmeFL4iFNgh0hWZkTalsLSnvzcWAWix5iZqXe5Eu3LoGvF9NqzOvp ZF+031BSVay8TLn3Nzs2KrinackJHIdcvxDSk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=Rqis+5j1t6D+JS8eddXwHpYoWZu3hvlPUNZl6cXCUCZjBP2OhJYsEc7OnLm0MIDJDe +OYlE+axSv47aLS8htiXgSpdAM+P8e/sYJf7rCM84jyatyT6BdF1bbgrTg+ABuufVItg e49o7AHonigCPinwnsRXTp/ZPHrFLBwipZ4LA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.197.14 with SMTP id z14mr2476250mup.1.1243072488783; Sat, 23 May 2009 02:54:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A171E75.7000405@gmail.com> References: <20090422070546.58F8C891@drowsy.ifokr.org> <893823750904231023p1396fe81g2a5735f77c07ec6@mail.gmail.com> <49F0AE96.9030708@foster.cc> <49F0D78B.4050400@gmail.com> <4A153103.2060907@gmail.com> <4A15AA2C.7060904@langille.org> <4A16633D.5070606@gmail.com> <4A1700CD.7010703@gmail.com> <4A171165.7010201@langille.org> <4A171E75.7000405@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: From: Jayton Garnett To: james michael Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: System Scripts X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:23:35 -0000 Where would the world be without humour and wit? no where. Thanks for the scripts, I'll put them in my resource library. If you want some Windows scripts let me know, I've wrote a few now that I'm working mainly in Windows environments. -- Jay