From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 2 21:16:25 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093321065677 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fmobile@paz.bz) Received: from mail.qcislands.net (mail.qcislands.net [207.34.147.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EEA8FC15 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [209.53.164.100] (helo=[192.168.1.6]) by mail.qcislands.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Og1td-000FNZ-3e; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:46:08 -0700 Message-ID: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:46:05 -0700 From: Jim Pazarena User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-local_scan: locally submitted (100) Subject: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:16:25 -0000 I have an AMD-64 laptop, and have 8.1-AMD64 loaded on it. From the CLI, the mouse (enabled thru rc.conf) seems to work fine . It's a touchpad mouse, Asus M70V laptop. When I trigger the GUI (with KDM), the appropriate login screen loads, but the mouse is dead and so is the keyboard. I have to press the power button just to get the machine to power down. Suggestions greatly appreciated. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 2 21:56:36 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467C7106564A for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:56:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86EE8FC0C for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so2983761vws.13 for ; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:56:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ukyTDka++XQZnBN06JNFB0ic8FEy2rtUlA2zgqo4q/0=; b=YU4jCWeHL2cTOUBOEXDl1Es4SQCbmPZIRS1n4dP/kvCDbJ0IU1PTvnMbiUysHBdKx+ IWUnNObUSx8KkQ2KfSpTB3UYmWMzbxI2Tf9XC+WeIVJSeuxUug48vKXEOmY8lzXn00UN to1wIV0ZrYttEaNoVlwQcZ8pygfwxCcj+h9Eg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IOX9p0vVurRdutzOBfvSUHVnchyqGDLkt/juWV+U1flROR72sJ/Rr9qsosT5DLc/yI w3yofgYOSVGo0dMsZmNStNgoEjgXR7FuCGvtLy+ZRWGiOAHULcR7gbAlBUpyaBc5C0uL OFUWyi9o48oCcxPdZHcjTmxmpDwLlD8Y4FYHQ= Received: by 10.220.100.213 with SMTP id z21mr4604744vcn.141.1280784496473; Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schism.local (173-161-130-225-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.161.130.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v11sm6393330vbb.4.2010.08.02.14.28.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:28:14 -0400 From: Glen Barber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Pazarena References: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> In-Reply-To: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:56:36 -0000 On 8/2/10 4:46 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: > I have an AMD-64 laptop, and have 8.1-AMD64 loaded on it. > From the CLI, the mouse (enabled thru rc.conf) seems to > work fine . > It's a touchpad mouse, Asus M70V laptop. > > When I trigger the GUI (with KDM), the appropriate login > screen loads, but the mouse is dead and so is the keyboard. > > I have to press the power button just to get the machine to > power down. > > Suggestions greatly appreciated. Hi, Do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated? (It does not exist by default.) Also, have a look at the 20090123 entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING. Regards, -- Glen Barber From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Aug 2 23:15:46 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6831A106566C for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tad1214@aol.com) Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (imr-2.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA3D8FC0C for ; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o72N5HHc028575; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:05:17 -0400 Received: from osprey (ng1.cptxoffice.net [208.74.121.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id DA850E000092; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 19:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Jim Pazarena" , "Glen Barber" References: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:04:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Thomas Donnelly" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/10.60 (FreeBSD) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:483117248:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29014c574f2c59bd X-AOL-IP: 208.74.121.102 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:15:46 -0000 Adding to what Glen said in regards to /usr/ports/UPDATING Make sure that hald_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" are part of your /etc/rc.conf and reboot. -=Tom On Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:28:14 -0500, Glen Barber wrote: > On 8/2/10 4:46 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: >> I have an AMD-64 laptop, and have 8.1-AMD64 loaded on it. >> From the CLI, the mouse (enabled thru rc.conf) seems to >> work fine . >> It's a touchpad mouse, Asus M70V laptop. >> >> When I trigger the GUI (with KDM), the appropriate login >> screen loads, but the mouse is dead and so is the keyboard. >> >> I have to press the power button just to get the machine to >> power down. >> >> Suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Hi, > > Do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated? (It does not exist by > default.) > > Also, have a look at the 20090123 entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING. > > Regards, > -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 3 00:53:01 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1541065674 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 00:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CD38FC1B for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 00:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o730FmWm007219; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o730FmPs007216; Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:15:48 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:15:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.5 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:15:49 -0600 (MDT) Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, Jim Pazarena Subject: Re: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 00:53:01 -0000 On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Glen Barber wrote: > On 8/2/10 4:46 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: >> I have an AMD-64 laptop, and have 8.1-AMD64 loaded on it. >> From the CLI, the mouse (enabled thru rc.conf) seems to >> work fine . >> It's a touchpad mouse, Asus M70V laptop. >> >> When I trigger the GUI (with KDM), the appropriate login >> screen loads, but the mouse is dead and so is the keyboard. >> >> I have to press the power button just to get the machine to >> power down. >> >> Suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Hi, > > Do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated? (It does not exist by default.) > > Also, have a look at the 20090123 entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING. 20090123 was a temporary workaround for a bug, which was corrected the next day; see the 20090124 entry. In today's world, using AllowEmptyInput Off is asking for input problems. It's the wrong way to disable hal for input device detection. AEI also hates kittens and puppies and will throw garbage on your lawn. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 3 05:38:57 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A815A106566C for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 05:38:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACBC8FC13 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 05:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o735cstJ001486; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:38:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:38:54 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: Warren Block In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20100803152134.H34284@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Jim Pazarena , Glen Barber , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:38:57 -0000 On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote: > On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Glen Barber wrote: > > > On 8/2/10 4:46 PM, Jim Pazarena wrote: > > > I have an AMD-64 laptop, and have 8.1-AMD64 loaded on it. > > > From the CLI, the mouse (enabled thru rc.conf) seems to > > > work fine . > > > It's a touchpad mouse, Asus M70V laptop. > > > > > > When I trigger the GUI (with KDM), the appropriate login > > > screen loads, but the mouse is dead and so is the keyboard. > > > > > > I have to press the power button just to get the machine to > > > power down. > > > > > > Suggestions greatly appreciated. > > > > Hi, > > > > Do you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated? (It does not exist by default.) > > > > Also, have a look at the 20090123 entry of /usr/ports/UPDATING. > > 20090123 was a temporary workaround for a bug, which was corrected the next > day; see the 20090124 entry. > > In today's world, using AllowEmptyInput Off is asking for input problems. > It's the wrong way to disable hal for input device detection. AEI also hates > kittens and puppies and will throw garbage on your lawn. So what's the recipe for the current RIGHT way to disable using hal and dbus, configuring xorg.conf appropriately? My Thinkpad T23 running 7.2-STABLE and 8.0-RELEASE systems is currently broken, or I could refer to how I did it for them, costing quite some research pain at the time. I'll be more or less starting again with 8.1, and sure won't be running hal all of the time just to ease xorg configuration the once .. cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 3 12:25:30 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141BA106566B for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:25:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C27EC8FC20 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o73CPS3r009744; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 06:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o73CPSES009741; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 06:25:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 06:25:28 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Ian Smith In-Reply-To: <20100803152134.H34284@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Message-ID: References: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> <20100803152134.H34284@sola.nimnet.asn.au> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.5 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 03 Aug 2010 06:25:28 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Jim Pazarena , Glen Barber , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:25:30 -0000 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010, Ian Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote: > > > > In today's world, using AllowEmptyInput Off is asking for input problems. > > It's the wrong way to disable hal for input device detection. AEI also hates > > kittens and puppies and will throw garbage on your lawn. > > So what's the recipe for the current RIGHT way to disable using hal and > dbus, configuring xorg.conf appropriately? My Thinkpad T23 running > 7.2-STABLE and 8.0-RELEASE systems is currently broken, or I could refer > to how I did it for them, costing quite some research pain at the time. Add Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to the ServerLayout or ServerFlags section. That prevents xorg from adding hal-detected devices, even if hal is running. The other option is to build xorg-server without hal support: # cd /usr/ports/x11-servers/xorg-server; make config Turn off the HAL option and rebuild/reinstall the port. If you do that, a reminder comment about it in xorg.conf could be a good idea. Or just include the AutoAddDevices option anyway; I doubt xorg-server without hal support would complain about it, but can't recall testing that. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 3 12:39:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70DF106566C for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:39:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61B738FC1B for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so3672624vws.13 for ; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:39:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sxv+IRm/4E4vMnhGP2nS0C5lxNmAS+z6Ch2hf7C5f3I=; b=i2n8BEzU4Y21bXsnrnXTHrq8oFGmsIAT8tgu3hI2T7/5GwpWwZSNjJZBJKXLEfRRsh 1N9CXG6d5GEYx6VG3WPy8aZF7dBSFMUu+4yu3LDHkfJTwufIwHVWTgjkDHCyFOqrXDio YQMohGEk9cjrfkfKiSO5F6s8zj0ajhAsG3ucg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YijNLp2wc87xa8Yjok814CmuRMc4xStaIVdmtE9gbWGUj68R+5zj8GKJPW9l2/qWtp Dc4AZlObRWhCpvE/n+CvnUqjyPLDkq0iuaSrXNjodbYqgHLH4GGy5AMgsQW9hNvoaNWP i44BCbcnMQm+fZP8k7TvymiKu8SFZhmc/+kKs= Received: by 10.220.88.22 with SMTP id y22mr5166509vcl.12.1280839191427; Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:39:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schism.local (173-161-130-225-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.161.130.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k30sm6797878vbl.9.2010.08.03.05.39.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C580E14.6060904@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:39:48 -0400 From: Glen Barber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Block References: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> <20100803152134.H34284@sola.nimnet.asn.au> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jim Pazarena , Ian Smith , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:39:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8/3/10 8:25 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 3 Aug 2010, Ian Smith wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Warren Block wrote: >> > >> > In today's world, using AllowEmptyInput Off is asking for input >> problems. >> > It's the wrong way to disable hal for input device detection. AEI >> also hates >> > kittens and puppies and will throw garbage on your lawn. >> >> So what's the recipe for the current RIGHT way to disable using hal and >> dbus, configuring xorg.conf appropriately? My Thinkpad T23 running >> 7.2-STABLE and 8.0-RELEASE systems is currently broken, or I could refer >> to how I did it for them, costing quite some research pain at the time. > > Add Option "AutoAddDevices" "Off" to the ServerLayout or ServerFlags > section. That prevents xorg from adding hal-detected devices, even if > hal is running. > > The other option is to build xorg-server without hal support: > # cd /usr/ports/x11-servers/xorg-server; make config > > Turn off the HAL option and rebuild/reinstall the port. If you do that, > a reminder comment about it in xorg.conf could be a good idea. Or just > include the AutoAddDevices option anyway; I doubt xorg-server without > hal support would complain about it, but can't recall testing that. > Also note that pgj@ picked up a PR to mention this in the FAQ: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=147095 Regards, - -- Glen Barber -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMWA4UAAoJEFJPDDeguUajVXkH/1b62sG8tOpkOM0PTCLnoio/ wMzPgJo4VYNRKlvL5tda2UXydPKGlUttWp29SfcTb9dTZ66EzV/7L05U/597y6cy e86Nz/oSY2BW5LcQHMtZyWZcixozHJslbPysnHOCssExNpx89umYNZwCVDUVu4qE h8djKQxdSWjumlhq4iBa1ZQ0PUk6F+yDhFtkdvPuaPo1P0faPoLW70NKxftn0yZz GQtHsrwJ6au3z+S3v7kBoHk4c61aCDGNFS8sqEnLpQSnWKjxPkp+qhY0v4Cd0+FX fP8Y93g/Q3EZeTtHzC42ssJCwvmcFKNJNiSY/UUYUfqxIuUT9OPDRX054uAHZV8= =glf5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 3 13:07:24 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 612BB1065670 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21FF8FC21 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:07:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o73D7MAW009884; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o73D7MCl009881; Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:07:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 07:07:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glen Barber In-Reply-To: <4C580E14.6060904@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4C572E8D.10002@paz.bz> <4C57386E.7060400@gmail.com> <20100803152134.H34284@sola.nimnet.asn.au> <4C580E14.6060904@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.5 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:07:23 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Jim Pazarena , Ian Smith , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mouse dies when kdm is triggered X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:07:24 -0000 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010, Glen Barber wrote: > Also note that pgj@ picked up a PR to mention this in the FAQ: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=147095 Thanks for that, I just added a followup. Whatever else I say about AEI, I have to admire its tenacity. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 10:23:32 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5A61065670 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mubeeshalivm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1B28FC15 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf9 with SMTP id 9so2338663ywf.13 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 03:23:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=+p7SwsCKOq2+cxh+dy1U8iPpuMTtIrEsN18PK51PEdA=; b=nx2BeXdFpGmsx8LnKkFQ/j/lPIkVnoDTMruBoM0jYfD/1bsQCyPw4WEr5Ehql/P3c0 bCglrwgjUL1I1rFEUbiUXMDXnao0lv9c1Go2/OSiDGciBbc2TI2ISUfoCHrrELZyi70Z Ncbsiti+ENcCYSBWkstQUIo480FNlWYXQ3svw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=i7cOcCS1KkE+UNaXJpvTHcijCfOecvNpqAMEvHWTxsEpX9fiQEAyYcxm8orzt7gthN pK2Q0FlLKStvmTaQwotWLCtE+D7Sv6tdgaqCROyNPdTKBXDMpzFe3QOwFXxn8BdXBos/ SGrEd6Hp8lLmr/sD8YeJqj53LTEsLbwFs68EI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.30.130 with SMTP id u2mr10173551ibc.111.1280915741793; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.166.141 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 02:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:25:41 +0530 Message-ID: From: Mubeesh ali To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:06:47 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:23:32 -0000 Hi , I am looking for suggestions on buying laptops for exclusively running free bsd . Please advise if we should specifically avoid certain wireless or graphics cards which have less or no support in bsd, Any good vendor suggestion with good bsd support for hardware will also be helpful. As of now i am running free bsd in vmware to learn it. Please excuse if this was a wrong mailing list or if this was not an appropriate question here. This is my first email to the list. Thank You, Mubeesh Ali.V.M From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 11:59:07 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418811065677 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mubeeshalivm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79478FC0A for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so2413647gwj.13 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qWEXqXJZs1URhXxPIQV73MzD7qJePiYqRpEWGvAcvXU=; b=tfB9LY4U9+7fqjVEmiNq+pvq/NxnGN98OmZzl6YbcJHh1khq+GvVCbMWo4oXx6qWSe xqNySEcBHHrWaTqzXqhgMgvPi/L9Ei/7kNAjkqyHztGlbAF51AuZvnUgcqoDoVqjQdVu r1uqALT2Kmwp1FsH7m2UpWtUAjp+xSSqaJ44M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=sXa3ignXj2znKapVcFudbdK4FkNfs2fYmkPZYwSH5PwIUKS6oy4VinaNJDPgCQv6my IfKkDaRzoYZG3JHHDtS32Uv2RltuQeWoWIq0dO+q3go16I3uzfPqrd5Z2FIzQri0GID9 OV8s/V1Ulu+9xxVzixTjOKBVCBtoECI64qazg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.191.6 with SMTP id dk6mr10565768ibb.51.1280923145842; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 04:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.166.141 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 04:59:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100804112234.GY12818@albert.catwhisker.org> References: <20100804112234.GY12818@albert.catwhisker.org> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:05 +0530 Message-ID: From: Mubeesh ali To: David Wolfskill Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 11:59:07 -0000 Hi , Thanks david for your detailed reply. I hope these would work in a bsd laptop: ATI or NVIDIA graphics card hibernate or suspend functionality touchpad built in wireless card mostly Intel dot11 N wireless cards datacard ;make qualcomm (bsnl evdo mmx 300 ) thanks, Mubeesh On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:52 PM, David Wolfskill wrote: > On Wed, Aug 04, 2010 at 03:25:41PM +0530, Mubeesh ali wrote: > > Hi , > > > > I am looking for suggestions on buying laptops for exclusively running > > free bsd . Please advise if we should specifically avoid certain > wireless > > or graphics cards which have less or no support in bsd, Any good vendor > > suggestion with good bsd support for hardware will also be helpful. As > of > > now i am running free bsd in vmware to learn it. > > > > > > Please excuse if this was a wrong mailing list or if this was not an > > appropriate question here. This is my first email to the list. > > The match between topic & list is fine, but you will likely get better > results if you list (and prioritize) requirements of which you are > aware. > > I'll list below some thoughts I've had on *my* requirements for a laptop > that runs FreeBSD exclusively, so you have a startinig-point. I don't > expect that your requirements will match mine, but the list should help > you get started on thinking in terms of your requirements: > > Requirements for laptop > > * Only OS on it will be FreeBSD, so FreeBSD needs to run well on it. > > * Physical screen resolution of at least 1600x1200. > > * Needs to be capable of using 2 batteries at the same time (so a > battery may be swapped out while it's running), which must be > initerchangeable. It would be best if it were to drain one battery > before switching to the other. > > * Needs a touchpad-type pointing device. > > * Must be able to be configured to remain active with the lid closed. > And must be able to cool itself adequately during a "make buildworld" > with the lid closed -- with a suitable -j value for the machine in > question. > > * Primary critical workload is rebuilding FreeBSD & ports; a machine > that is faster at this is better than one that is slower (other > things being equal). > > * Need a working port for serial console. > > * Prefer built-in wlan & wired NICs. > > * Prefer working DRI. > > * Should be quiet in normal operation. > > * It would be nice if devices attached via a docking station were > usable. > > Background: My laptop is my primary "desktop" (i.e., user-facing) > environment; other machines I use are normally rather more focused > on specific applications, while the laptop runs everything I'm > interested in. > > My "present laptop" is somewhat of a nebulous concept, as it started out > as a Dell Inspiron 8200, and I've been "maintaining" the hardware by > buying > used, working laptops (one Inspiron 8200; one Dell Latitude C840) and > cannibalizing/swapping parts -- with an occasional supplement from new > commodity parts (RAM; disk drive) or purchased spares (keyboard -- I > wear them out). It has: > > * 1600x1200 screen (UXGA) > * CPU: Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 - M CPU 2.40GHz > * ATi Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] rev 1 video (as a daughter > card) with 64MB video RAM. > * A serial port that I had used as a serial console until I fried it. > * Samsung CD-RW/DVD-ROM SN-324B/U101> CDRW drive > * disk: 114473MB * wlan is miniPCI iwi0: (at the moment) > * wired NIC is xl0: <3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL> > * Has both trackpoint & touchpad > * Has 2 PCcard slots > * 1 Firewire port > * 1 external monitor port > > Under FreeBSD 4.x (yes, I've had (an instantiation of) it since > before 6.x was branched), I could be running FreeBSD, and pressing > the chord Fn+F1 would bring the machine into the "BiOS setup" mode > (asme as hitting F2 early in boot sequence), and escaping from that > allowed FreeBSD to continue running. That hasn't worked since 6.x > -- probably a result of ACPI vs. APM, I'm guessing. > > Under FreeBSD 6.x (IIRC), devices (disk drives; PCI devices) on the > docking station were also recognized, but that didn't work under > 7.x or later last I checked (several months ago). > > The laptop seems to lose its mouse now & then; I hacked around this by > setting the HOOKRESUME & INITAFTERSUSPEND flags in device.hints, so if > it looses the mouse, I suspend (to RAM), then resume -- and the mouse is > back. > > Also, unlike my desired configuration, the current laptop appears to > drain the batteries (if more than one is available) concurrently, thus > minimizing the probability that a battery may be safely swapped when > it's low and the machine is running. (I suppose I could hack around > this by normally only having a single battery available, and when it > gets low -- assuming(!) that I realize this at an appropriate time -- > plug a fresh battery in the other bay....) > > Further, I have the laptop configured to boot from each of its 4 > slices, and each slice boots a version of FreeBSD. For a while, I > had the slices booting: > > 1 FreeBSD stable/6 (6-STABLE) > 2 FreeBSD stable/7 (7-STABLE) > 3 FreeBSD stable/8 (8-STABLE) > 4 FreeBSD head (9.0-CURRENT) > > I also have private mirrors of the FreeBSD SVN and CVS repositories > on it (updated overnight), and track changes to the versions of > FreeBSD that I run on a daily basis. I also update the installed > ports on a daily basis. (I only have one instantiation of each > port installed, under the lowest-numbered version of FreeBSD that > I run. I depnd on the misc/compat* ports to be able to use the > ports under later versions of FreeBSD.) > > About 3 or 4 months ago, I stopped tracking stable/6, and no longer > run it. I expect that within the month, I will stop tracking (and > running) stable/7, as well. (The big hold-up there will be rebuilding > all of the ports under stable/8: it takes a long time to do -- I > have about 870 ports installed, some of which take a long time all > by themselves.) > > The approach allows me to compare behavior of different versions > of FreeBSD on the same hardware, which I find useful. > > I generally start the builds early in the morning; it is usual for > the final build (that of CURRENT) to continue as I begin my commute > into work. With the exception of 2-5 days/month (when I have evening > meetings or the like, so I drive in), that involves a car ride down > to the train station (10 minutes), catching a train (20 minute > ride), then catching light rail (23 minute ride), then walking for > a few minutes -- door-to-door, about an hour if all goes well. > During this time, the laptop: > > * Is nearly always entirely on battery power. > > * Is running -- indeed, it's doing things such as "make buildworld", > which uses battery power a bit more rapidly than most typical > desktop-type applications. > > * Is subject to a fair amount of jostling and vibration. If I ever get > around to cycling part of the way, it's likely to be subject to a > great deal more vibration. And I wouldn't be able to damp the > vibration with my hands (for example). > > * Needs to be able to shed excess heat -- while being protected against > the above-cited vibration. > > > [And att this point, I'm still pretty much stuck with using my old > laptop -- I can't find a new one that even meets the screen-resolution > requirement for me.] > > Peace, > david > -- > David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org > Depriving a girl or boy of an opportunity for education is evil. > > See http://www.catwhisker.org/~david/publickey.gpgfor my public key. > From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 13:28:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 912FD1065676 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from mailgw.es.net (mail1.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:201:1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A568FC15 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [IPv6:2001:400:910::29]) by mailgw.es.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o74DS0pL006698 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:28:00 -0700 Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 298731CC3A; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 06:28:00 -0700 (PDT) To: Mubeesh ali In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:29:05 +0530." Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:28:00 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20100804132800.298731CC3A@ptavv.es.net> X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.0.10011, 1.0.148, 0.0.0000 definitions=2010-08-04_06:2010-08-04, 2010-08-04, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=5.0.0-1005130000 definitions=main-1008040087 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:28:21 -0000 > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:05 +0530 > From: Mubeesh ali > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Hi , > > Thanks david for your detailed reply. > > I hope these would work in a bsd laptop: > > > ATI or NVIDIA graphics card ATI is open source friendly. NVIDIA is not. Still, both generally work. > hibernate or suspend functionality Very platform and BIOS sensitive. It is hit and miss. > touchpad Never seen much of problem. Full "Synaptics" support. Just works. > built in wireless card mostly Intel dot11 N wireless cards > datacard ;make qualcomm (bsnl evdo mmx 300 ) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 13:35:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28EC1106566B for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glen.j.barber@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D3F8FC12 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 13:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws7 with SMTP id 7so4958675vws.13 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:35:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uD3XAzNA6jru0qm67DWbFcf0sEwZSAOEEfXeg+2ntwE=; b=ipZya2GvF/LhhVIvhXzGh2bg4IxG4glkt3euVIPdt+JgWbQHnpDsVxxNI1zInQ+mXm hYd7YXsLC2DQXtlOrmyCerbyMkJJBkx1yWUbJQ+RZCh+DYbaBtglBCV09PYQcXCOhp8D njMjpVOXcP8+R9MpuV9u3Q8frJkTqUNRbY2cU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=bu9IYbZywBTqtADcCTFk581mYEOLzYNAeyLnRNHYfE+HYImOKZwH2RUIUc0IDDUBy1 E0zWluQ6PrLc3hSGMACSqRwAkBBuf9CtcnAON2VCNfFPLNWeVMQikuShzBSGhR+FN/Wl pUt27+ExUrMQkyVMUtslUxL/QF7JSVJE6cI7w= Received: by 10.220.60.15 with SMTP id n15mr6315512vch.18.1280928935802; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from schism.local (173-161-130-225-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.161.130.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k30sm7558534vbl.9.2010.08.04.06.35.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:35:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C596CA5.9090706@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 09:35:33 -0400 From: Glen Barber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100713 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mubeeshalivm@gmail.com References: <20100804132800.298731CC3A@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20100804132800.298731CC3A@ptavv.es.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 13:35:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 8/4/10 9:28 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: >> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:05 +0530 >> From: >> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org >> >> Hi , >> >> Thanks david for your detailed reply. >> >> I hope these would work in a bsd laptop: >> >> >> ATI or NVIDIA graphics card > ATI is open source friendly. NVIDIA is not. Still, both generally work. > >> hibernate or suspend functionality > Very platform and BIOS sensitive. It is hit and miss. > >> touchpad > Never seen much of problem. Full "Synaptics" support. Just works. > >> built in wireless card mostly Intel dot11 N wireless cards >> datacard ;make qualcomm (bsnl evdo mmx 300 ) Hi, If you are planning on purchasing a laptop from your local electronics shop, you might consider burning a PC-BSD DVD, and booting into the live OS. If they won't let you do that, find another shop. Regards, - -- Glen Barber -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMWWylAAoJEFJPDDeguUajEkEH/RfpBhn/2j5eaV8m6juBb+kv whZo3KDWw/SmZMX0jKkI6fXXztd1pzAzRe1bZzutvssYV3IDTOMoTs9QMHzBZad1 Pg4KmqN6IS464T659nfGt47qTx5pwhXM0+PbwWpJiQIwMNy0C3Kg/6wqZBQ1c8mV qd3RAfXSAYZ1GoAwKbYnE/SqD5MAWpFHmJb4e6SJcsQocQ8dV9Unb0zZz3w9YJGp eQWgGo9c9EDaqc+7z9E0+30ZWUCJSD3qFHox3gSj6BsROwAwWe3+3/FxUHnTfyk6 cKyz3ynK92pjzJWR+FN6V4aFP2FR6JwvwNVrkk/12hUJ5YKkNojOTdF/uhEEqkk= =dnuu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 14:34:02 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5BD1065677 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:34:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mubeeshalivm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DE48FC24 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23so2502998gwj.13 for ; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:34:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Rk10g/zIq8JtymIR6ie7rwB2Oas2apo5v+7pdl0Zt9w=; b=L58bP3FKOWK6x4Zr7Svbwe4l2gQBId0pX52yhEKQkRduxCwAFnPoVVK4u9baYv6Di3 2dnWje9axYtscAnxg5SLS01VsORDdhwMEJWNS6LBpy0vxd6GgjqWM0BZAuFS4ppxevjF Flbbw1sn1DtWBIU9T9Hr9Ook2n7L/shcix3dY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=p9KyGsE0zPEargU2DRHag4UOYg3tZlqshy5TOMzUPADpKyub1IvN4K1H9BsEoCxiXA XZt3P42Xua6o5kaI7m+PqwfImwI5zAokA2iWfeHKk58YM7dbmlFFdzHPpl6NzvbL4YKC NSjE/1vLRDzptTz51vx7sZZwwoURsDipGHYDM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.117.13 with SMTP id p13mr10902505ybc.20.1280932441333; Wed, 04 Aug 2010 07:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.166.141 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:34:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C596CA5.9090706@gmail.com> References: <20100804132800.298731CC3A@ptavv.es.net> <4C596CA5.9090706@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:04:01 +0530 Message-ID: From: Mubeesh ali To: Glen Barber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:34:02 -0000 thank you Glen,Kevin ,David. Your suggestions are very helpful . appreciate it :-). thanks, Mubeesh On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Glen Barber wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 8/4/10 9:28 AM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > >> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:05 +0530 > >> From: > >> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > >> > >> Hi , > >> > >> Thanks david for your detailed reply. > >> > >> I hope these would work in a bsd laptop: > >> > >> > >> ATI or NVIDIA graphics card > > ATI is open source friendly. NVIDIA is not. Still, both generally work. > > > >> hibernate or suspend functionality > > Very platform and BIOS sensitive. It is hit and miss. > > > >> touchpad > > Never seen much of problem. Full "Synaptics" support. Just works. > > > >> built in wireless card mostly Intel dot11 N wireless cards > >> datacard ;make qualcomm (bsnl evdo mmx 300 ) > > Hi, > > If you are planning on purchasing a laptop from your local electronics > shop, you might consider burning a PC-BSD DVD, and booting into the live > OS. > > If they won't let you do that, find another shop. > > Regards, > > - -- > Glen Barber > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMWWylAAoJEFJPDDeguUajEkEH/RfpBhn/2j5eaV8m6juBb+kv > whZo3KDWw/SmZMX0jKkI6fXXztd1pzAzRe1bZzutvssYV3IDTOMoTs9QMHzBZad1 > Pg4KmqN6IS464T659nfGt47qTx5pwhXM0+PbwWpJiQIwMNy0C3Kg/6wqZBQ1c8mV > qd3RAfXSAYZ1GoAwKbYnE/SqD5MAWpFHmJb4e6SJcsQocQ8dV9Unb0zZz3w9YJGp > eQWgGo9c9EDaqc+7z9E0+30ZWUCJSD3qFHox3gSj6BsROwAwWe3+3/FxUHnTfyk6 > cKyz3ynK92pjzJWR+FN6V4aFP2FR6JwvwNVrkk/12hUJ5YKkNojOTdF/uhEEqkk= > =dnuu > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- Best Regards, Mubeesh Ali.V.M From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Aug 4 15:24:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78761065678 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tad1214@aol.com) Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-4.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214258FC24 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.1]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o74FOCG8001230; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:24:12 -0400 Received: from [10.0.2.21] (75-148-250-1-Houston.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [75.148.250.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-ma01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 8F903E000093; Wed, 4 Aug 2010 11:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4C598614.5090401@aol.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:24:04 -0500 From: Thomas Donnelly User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kevin Oberman References: <20100804132800.298731CC3A@ptavv.es.net> In-Reply-To: <20100804132800.298731CC3A@ptavv.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:470553920:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29014c59861b5d19 X-AOL-IP: 75.148.250.1 Cc: Mubeesh ali , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2010 15:24:33 -0000 Kevin Oberman wrote: >> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 17:29:05 +0530 >> From: Mubeesh ali >> Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org >> >> Hi , >> >> Thanks david for your detailed reply. >> >> I hope these would work in a bsd laptop: >> >> >> ATI or NVIDIA graphics card >> > ATI is open source friendly. NVIDIA is not. Still, both generally work. > I must be missing something because to my knowledge FreeBSD does not have any 3D support for any modern ATi card while nVidia has 32 and 64 bit drivers that work very well for full 3D acceleration (needed for things like compiz). I am running 8-Stable amd64 with a GTX 260 in my desktop at work and it runs very fast. I would extremely highly recommend nVidia over ATi if you are going to be using FreeBSD. My Inspiron XPS has an ATi Mobility Radeon 9800 and not only does it not have 3D support, it also frequently hard locks when running the ATi driver. This laptop works fine with any other OS. Also, Intel Integrated works well and is a decent choice if you don't need lots of horsepower. > >> hibernate or suspend functionality >> > Very platform and BIOS sensitive. It is hit and miss. > > >> touchpad >> > Never seen much of problem. Full "Synaptics" support. Just works. > > >> built in wireless card mostly Intel dot11 N wireless cards >> datacard ;make qualcomm (bsnl evdo mmx 300 ) >> The best laptop I have seen for support is the one from iXSystems, which is designed for FreeBSD and comes pre installed with PC-BSD. http://www.ixsystems.com/ix/services/home-and-office/ix-invincibook Otherwise I would look into the Dell Precision Series laptops or the older XPS's that have nVidia cards (XPS M1330, 1530, 1710, etc) -=Tom From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 5 21:50:18 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CBE810656B0 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:50:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from osp@aloha.com) Received: from relay.pixi.com (relay.pixi.com [206.127.224.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A008FC18 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yoda.pixi.com (yoda.pixi.com [206.127.224.41]) by relay.pixi.com (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o75LPXYB013303 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:25:33 -1000 (HST) Received: from webmail.pixi.com (yoda.pixi.com [206.127.224.120] (may be forged)) by yoda.pixi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id o75LPW2F030650 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:25:33 -1000 Message-Id: <201008052125.o75LPW2F030650@yoda.pixi.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: osp@aloha.com Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:25:33 HST X-Posting-IP: 141.190.32.71 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.19 Subject: Support for Broadcom 1510 PCIe WLAN card X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:50:18 -0000 I am looking for a small form factor PC capable of operating as a portable WiFi access point. The Dell OptiPlex 780 USFF comes with an Intel 82567LM Ethernet interface and a Broadcom 1510 WiFi interface. In the past I have found good support for Ethernet, but not as much for Broadcom WiFi. Still true? I would also appreciate reviews of using the 1510 by way of NDIS. Recommendations for small form factor PCs well supported by FreeBSD also appreciated. Thanks in advance! Gary Dunn Open Slate Project From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 6 08:22:33 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE401065678 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:22:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C058FC20 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14058 invoked by uid 399); 6 Aug 2010 07:55:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 6 Aug 2010 07:55:51 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <4C5BC005.1050101@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:55:49 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100804 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mubeesh ali References: <20100804112234.GY12818@albert.catwhisker.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 08:22:33 -0000 Before proceeding on the details, there is a more important question. What is your purpose for setting up a FreeBSD laptop? If your purpose is to have a reasonable environment on which to do FreeBSD development, that's fine, we can do that pretty well. If you just want an "open source OS" to run your laptop, and you want to spend most of your time actually using things like mail, www, etc.; then FreeBSD is a very poor choice, you'd be much better off with one of the Linux variants, particularly Ubuntu. If your needs are somewhere in between, let us know what you're attempting to do and we can help you better. On 08/04/2010 04:59, Mubeesh ali wrote: > Hi , > > Thanks david for your detailed reply. > > I hope these would work in a bsd laptop: > > > ATI or NVIDIA graphics card Both work, sort of. > hibernate or suspend functionality Neither is likely to work at all. > touchpad Generally this works well, yes. > built in wireless card mostly Intel dot11 N wireless cards We have no support for .11n, but the .11g features will almost certainly work. > datacard ;make qualcomm (bsnl evdo mmx 300 ) Not sure about this one, not likely. >>> now i am running free bsd in vmware to learn it. That's great! The Handbook is a great resource, you can find it on the web site in the Documentation section. >> Requirements for laptop >> >> * Physical screen resolution of at least 1600x1200. If you can find a laptop with a display this size, you shouldn't have a problem, even with X. >> * Needs to be capable of using 2 batteries at the same time (so a >> battery may be swapped out while it's running), which must be >> initerchangeable. It would be best if it were to drain one battery >> before switching to the other. That's a feature of the laptop hardware. Most modern laptops do this. >> * Must be able to be configured to remain active with the lid closed. >> And must be able to cool itself adequately during a "make buildworld" >> with the lid closed -- with a suitable -j value for the machine in >> question. You're unlikely to find this. Most modern laptops, especially ones with multiple cores, run really hot, and depend on having the lid open so that they can radiate some heat upward. >> * Primary critical workload is rebuilding FreeBSD & ports; a machine >> that is faster at this is better than one that is slower (other >> things being equal). The best things you can do to make this work well are lots of fast RAM, and the fastest disk(s) you can jam in there. hth, Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 6 10:54:37 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60ABA106566B for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:54:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD0B8FC14 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (p549A7325.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.115.37]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o76APPWW090779; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:25:26 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id o76APGjO017678; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:25:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o76AP6gK016127; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:25:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201008061025.o76AP6gK016127@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Mubeesh ali , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:55:49 PDT." <4C5BC005.1050101@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:25:06 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 10:54:37 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Doug Barton > Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:55:49 -0700 > Message-id: <4C5BC005.1050101@FreeBSD.org> Doug Barton wrote: > Before proceeding on the details, there is a more important question. > What is your purpose for setting up a FreeBSD laptop? If your purpose is > to have a reasonable environment on which to do FreeBSD development, > that's fine, we can do that pretty well. If you just want an "open > source OS" to run your laptop, and you want to spend most of your time > actually using things like mail, www, etc.; then FreeBSD is a very poor ...................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > choice, you'd be much better off with one of the Linux variants, ^^^^^^^^ > particularly Ubuntu. Troll noise does credibility of sender & FreeBSD no good. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey: BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Mail in plain text, Not HTML, quoted-printable & base 64 dumped with spam. Avoid top posting, It criples itemised cumulative responses. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 6 11:43:21 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4B2106567C for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D7A8FC2A for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o76BhFNx021392; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 05:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id o76BhFDH021389; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 05:43:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 05:43:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Thomas Donnelly In-Reply-To: <4C598614.5090401@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <20100804132800.298731CC3A@ptavv.es.net> <4C598614.5090401@aol.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 06 Aug 2010 05:43:16 -0600 (MDT) Cc: Mubeesh ali , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:43:21 -0000 On Wed, 4 Aug 2010, Thomas Donnelly wrote: > Kevin Oberman wrote: >>> >> ATI is open source friendly. NVIDIA is not. Still, both generally work. >> > I must be missing something because to my knowledge FreeBSD does not have any > 3D support for any modern ATi card radeon(4x) has 3D acceleration, and 3D software seems to use it (I'm not a serious 3D user, so there may be subtleties here). As far as modern cards, it supports X- (X700), 1000- (1650, 1950), 2000-, 3000-, and 4000-series cards. 5000-series are not yet supported. > while nVidia has 32 and 64 bit drivers that work very well for full 3D > acceleration (needed for things like compiz). Forum users have reported success with compiz on Radeon cards. I have not yet tried that (started but got distracted by other things). > I am running 8-Stable amd64 with a GTX 260 in my desktop at work and > it runs very fast. I would extremely highly recommend nVidia over ATi > if you are going to be using FreeBSD. My Inspiron XPS has an ATi > Mobility Radeon 9800 and not only does it not have 3D support, it also > frequently hard locks when running the ATi driver. This laptop works > fine with any other OS. Mobility 9800 isn't explicitly listed as working with the radeon driver, and of course it's very old. A Dell integrated FireGL 9000 with 32M of video RAM didn't seem to like 3D, either, but I don't know if that can be blamed on just the radeon driver. > Also, Intel Integrated works well and is a decent choice if you don't need > lots of horsepower. Well... there are problems with the way Intel is going with the driver. The latest versions of the Intel integrated video hardware can be a problem. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 6 13:01:35 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E773106567B for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:01:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from lava.sentex.ca (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA5018FC12 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mdt-xp.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [192.168.43.27]) by lava.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o76CjPe6095578; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 08:45:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <201008061245.o76CjPe6095578@lava.sentex.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 08:45:24 -0400 To: osp@aloha.com, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa In-Reply-To: <201008052125.o75LPW2F030650@yoda.pixi.com> References: <201008052125.o75LPW2F030650@yoda.pixi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: Support for Broadcom 1510 PCIe WLAN card X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:01:35 -0000 Perhaps an Alix based device from http://www.netgate.com/ At home I have an Atheros mini PCI card that works well. ath0@pci0:0:12:0: class=0x020000 card=0x2062168c chip=0x001b168c rev=0x01 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Atheros Communications Inc.' device = 'AR5006 family 802.11abg Wireless NIC' class = network subclass = ethernet cap 01[44] = powerspec 2 supports D0 D3 current D0 ---Mike At 05:25 PM 8/5/2010, osp@aloha.com wrote: >I am looking for a small form factor PC capable of operating as a portable >WiFi access point. The Dell OptiPlex 780 USFF comes with an Intel 82567LM >Ethernet interface and a Broadcom 1510 WiFi interface. In the past I have >found good support for Ethernet, but not as much for Broadcom WiFi. Still >true? I would also appreciate reviews of using the 1510 by way of NDIS. > >Recommendations for small form factor PCs well supported by FreeBSD also >appreciated. > >Thanks in advance! > >Gary Dunn >Open Slate Project > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 6 21:59:49 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AA61065670 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 21:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27B38FC08 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 2010 21:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26860 invoked by uid 399); 6 Aug 2010 21:59:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTPAM; 6 Aug 2010 21:59:45 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Sender: dougb@dougbarton.us Message-ID: <4C5C85D0.6080903@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:59:44 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://SupersetSolutions.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.9.2.7) Gecko/20100804 Thunderbird/3.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201008061025.o76AP6gK016127@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201008061025.o76AP6gK016127@fire.js.berklix.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 OpenPGP: id=1A1ABC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mubeesh ali , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free bsd on laptops X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:59:49 -0000 On 08/06/2010 03:25, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Hi, > Reference: >> From: Doug Barton >> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 00:55:49 -0700 >> Message-id: <4C5BC005.1050101@FreeBSD.org> > > Doug Barton wrote: >> Before proceeding on the details, there is a more important question. >> What is your purpose for setting up a FreeBSD laptop? If your purpose is >> to have a reasonable environment on which to do FreeBSD development, >> that's fine, we can do that pretty well. If you just want an "open >> source OS" to run your laptop, and you want to spend most of your time >> actually using things like mail, www, etc.; then FreeBSD is a very poor > ...................................................^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> choice, you'd be much better off with one of the Linux variants, > ^^^^^^^^ >> particularly Ubuntu. > > Troll noise does credibility of sender & FreeBSD no good. Lying to people hurts our credibility even more. :) It is absolutely true that as a general purpose desktop platform FreeBSD lags WAY behind other open source options. Without knowing the specific needs of the OP it's impossible to give suggestions on what would be a suitable solution, or whether any of FreeBSD's deficiencies in this area are likely to affect him directly. Doug -- Improve the effectiveness of your Internet presence with a domain name makeover! http://SupersetSolutions.com/ Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso