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Message-Id: <20130922141034.d98d472e42c784062d66651c@yahoo.es> In-Reply-To: References: <52388C9B.6030205@foxbatcapital.com> <20130919155327.115e7344@sarvision.nl> <20130920110535.42c984da@sarvision.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.3.0 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 12:10:41 -0000 On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 12:53:36 -0700 Adrian Chadd wrote: > .. just as a data point - there was a thread a while ago about numeric > processing performance on linux vs bsd. > > It all boiled down to how jemalloc versus the linux allocator(s) allocate > blocks. jemalloc will page align things after a certain size. Linux didn't. > So when doing numeric processing, there was a lot of cache aliasing going > on leading to inefficient cache usage and redundant memory operations. > > When the same workload on Linux was run on FreeBSD but with the Linux > library/allocators, the performance was identical. > > No-one followed through. I think I may have to write a blog post about it. There's no MALLOC_OPTIONS flag to set/unset this, but adding a new flag to disable a feature is easier (or should be) than implementing new one. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: atar Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:16:23 -0000 Hi there!! During the reading of the FreeBSD handbook, I've encountered at the term 'dangerously dedicated' regarding physical disks and the author of this chapter in the FreeBSD handbook didn't think this term need more clarity. so for newbies like me in the FreeBSD world I want to ask: what's the 'dangerously dedicated' term meaning by? Thanks in advance! atar. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 22 13:27:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D309777C for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from nm18-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm9.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.62.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E2D52ED3 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.39.60.166] by nm18.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 13:25:21 -0000 Received: from [67.195.22.117] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 13:25:21 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2013 13:25:21 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1379856321; bh=e//SQ1FJJvEzC2LbcbUgDr5JvC7bCd/C2V4o0F5WN7I=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TkweTIcTsW7YBcuLOJ/tDFgZvTfjBL3ceCUJSYq1naIuRiaChj7LlGqM8N7a8nm5uu2+0xrxluMMgvUFNwNUosJ6uXM7Mm1Qdngo7y2T6ce1xxuhmoKEgfVVWsNm3SEHofDSONoyUflOoL3kuAIqng0HVJcxjsPNWuWM9ZCGa0s= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 595131.11300.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: BA0qW44VM1nsMEBwkQMSk2UzU_0IzRxWp_NnYFkkwtqVe.O yltcvvPlybImD88RXrmJo3G9b6no3Wa7gVc2o24hG2A_SFzEJvcrDRNkZw2d nRM3N7Xa7By51pnF3mwweZ914NSSp2LUFJoYK8ctRdNXdGNTJJocajiPn4Fu C9EmAQFn5WpTz2dcNR48uOqJQe5zO2r9vvqM.glul04Nq2FzL9VNzDl1L4LP MI7cgf7g56gYNauhcta5kcLWAl_d7JimnOZuuaGbZ3cspKsy8s7.kK6htIEi oLtJWvPd0U41XVd9aYBJSnuKbwIBvJHF_h.SMzZUYyT7saC1xlhtBngWBfOj 6Cp40NW8csTandvsWzJTrnh7G98x7cpijL0ArGUXsIxr_qbAFuAOSOkVxb81 WbhX2nwjk6I647pDG5Zfz.XPldpAjUGHzSnhfF1SYGLfXMdSRKa8aig4dsT2 JAA98hb_Tya.0go7Pe345i8._WNGhUWraBMpbQpKTrKxInlyBkwJPyL9dQ2w xlgte5JYQgY8YWkWl4ETP_HfRNZahsan1c4jHpv8c4knPVLh3RbzHNrOV.FN vYY7vPCc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- X-Rocket-Received: from europa (mike.jeays@173.33.93.170 with ) by smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2013 06:25:21 -0700 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:25:09 -0400 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks. Message-ID: <20130922092509.0c6bbeb2@europa> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.13; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:27:42 -0000 On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:16:17 -0000 atar wrote: > Hi there!! > > During the reading of the FreeBSD handbook, I've encountered at the term > 'dangerously dedicated' regarding physical disks and the author of this > chapter in the FreeBSD handbook didn't think this term need more clarity. > so for newbies like me in the FreeBSD world I want to ask: what's the > 'dangerously dedicated' term meaning by? > > Thanks in advance! > > atar. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Information is at this (very old) link. Not as scary as it sounds. http://docs.freebsd.org/doc/2.2.6-RELEASE/usr/share/doc/FAQ/FAQ103.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 22 13:46:39 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 331DFC9A; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B62902FF3; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:46:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBFD02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.203.253.2]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8MDkBnf029935; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:46:11 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r8MDk78c094798; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:46:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8MDjshP065967; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:46:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201309221346.r8MDjshP065967@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Subject: Re: Freebsd support in Adelaide wanted From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:41:20 +1000." <20130921234120.GB38310@eureka.lemis.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:45:54 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Danny Beger , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, msmith@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:46:39 -0000 Hi Greg & questions@ etc > That's massively out of date. Mike left Adelaide in 1998, and has > been working for Apple in Cupertino for about 10 years. OK deleted. > > Greg Lehey in Echunga +61 8 83888286 > > That's out of date too. I left Adelaide over 6 years ago. Up-to-date > information at http://www.lemis.com/grog/ . OK Updated. > > Both are well know in FreeBSD community :-) > > I've cc'd them both > > Thanks. Danny did in fact contact me directly, and I think we've > found somebody for him. Good :-) > > PS for other consultants: > > If you want to be added to geographic indexed table > > just email me a pre-prepared HTML table enty > > See: http://www.berklix.com/consultants/ > > It would certainly be a good idea for more eyes to go through this > list and help you get it up to date. Updates welcome, preferably in format diff -c Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 22 13:59:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A1BF49 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from atar.yosef@gmail.com) Received: from mail-we0-x230.google.com (mail-we0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c03::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7128120DB for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f176.google.com with SMTP id u56so2130207wes.35 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:59:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding :from:message-id:user-agent; bh=VtVg5dLToWv49Hin6069Feqb2ImoncsAKW2Bu+X2BUY=; b=NOIWFfIdoi1glluRWv31MZq7wvsxxKpW0vIQ93Tj4pDe/NdH3dBWt6HBEp8sH8aeCQ xrnoOCCK1kVdBWZBbzuoNns5RLMyM8fA7TtuqmkBZX+FcH6/HuXpx40qKNgJhiD2dfV4 dtoAP9/Qn2QuFUDDZpIE0TH7dUdAr3tzX6hDJJPyL3xnKowun3h2wtbSb+WqF8JX88sV ZI7eSmDmJM/EuPQyJELyusTWnlcdQplon8dqiTbshhKOESdAsgGyLghRehyKOWuzqCh9 +xQWWsmWHOpztHFAPZ6AwviGb/gXhEuXDw9BY1LNxKxsWwq9dU2PFT1gisYZDa+ZrylS flBw== X-Received: by 10.180.107.167 with SMTP id hd7mr9777053wib.13.1379858358854; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([95.86.71.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id li9sm18837704wic.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks. Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 16:59:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: atar Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:59:20 -0000 Thanks. it helps a little to clarify this term. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 22 14:25:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2FC07DB for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B99B249F for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r8MEPOYE027487; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r8MEPOHU027484; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:25:24 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:25:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: atar Subject: Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:25:31 -0000 On Sun, 22 Sep 2013, atar wrote: > During the reading of the FreeBSD handbook, I've encountered at the term > 'dangerously dedicated' regarding physical disks and the author of this > chapter in the FreeBSD handbook didn't think this term need more clarity. so > for newbies like me in the FreeBSD world I want to ask: what's the > 'dangerously dedicated' term meaning by? The term refers to a disk partitioned with only the BSD disklabel partition table: disk ada0 partition "a" (ada0a, /) partition "b" (ada0b, swap) partition "d" (ada0d, /var) partition "e" (ada0e, /tmp) partition "f" (ada0f, /usr) It's "dangerous" because that partitioning format is rare outside of BSD-based systems. Disk utilities may not recognize it, and could damage it. Most of the rest of the world used MBR partitioning, which allowed up to four MBR partitions (called "slices" by FreeBSD) per disk. Since four slices is not enough for the standard FreeBSD disk layout, with /, swap, /var, /tmp, and /usr, the standard procedure is to use MBR partitioning, with the MBR partitions ("slices") being sub-partitioned by a BSD disklabel. disk ada0 MBR slice 1 (ada0s1) partition "a" (ada0s1a, /) partition "b" (ada0s1b, swap) partition "d" (ada0s1d, /var) partition "e" (ada0s1e, /tmp) partition "f" (ada0s1f, /usr) MBR slice 2 (ada0s2) ... Yes, one partition format inside another. It only seems complicated because it is. GPT is the new partitioning format, which makes things much simpler by being capable of up to 128 partitions in the standard configuration. With GPT, there is no reason to use BSD disklabels at all. disk ada0 GPT partition 1 (ada0p1, bootcode) GPT partition 2 (ada0p2, /) GPT partition 3 (ada0p3, swap) GPT partition 4 (ada0p4, /var) GPT partition 5 (ada0p5, /tmp) GPT partition 6 (ada0p6, /usr) Summary: "Dangerously dedicated" partitioning has no unique advantages. Use GPT when possible, use MBR/disklabel when necessary. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 22 15:03:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F7AEED for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:03:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from atar.yosef@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x234.google.com (mail-wi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B60E2631 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hj3so1307586wib.1 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:to:cc:subject:references:date:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:from:message-id:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=kFFzcp9O65qKh6fVOMktmsqH/Qp7skR/jJ0qJ7sccfc=; b=qKN8sL31PD37rmtyLpnqW/ADt5YGoOKrzkWjQbqvM7sHv6XSZB3c59svKwrwC1PSqr dSms/KrutuwrbkPCN3M+1961FeQeCSxN1HFx4Dn1SRmfmrnpZqGnp7Agy1tNXQBmHOTL UCAkE3GdFCRVo7xaImQpCEs246w/Lp9oEwvhyH4Y9RtsZssvFtNp62/hGbVh2Pmftgyc wnSkOu+j/4kQKV2mU1D13DW8aMIWoW9jYv/Rh6lIKPiQ4WF+6AL0LhO/rncNAMd+/ICa cPrXacY282lAYWeSRE4wvkYiAWbZHEJN+u+HeYdNI3CNN2wc5SLPZg5LTIVD0PS92kLK HwQw== X-Received: by 10.194.120.68 with SMTP id la4mr1759072wjb.33.1379862214807; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([95.86.71.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i8sm19170410wiy.6.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: "Warren Block" Subject: Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks. References: Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:03:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: atar Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera Mail/12.16 (Linux) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:03:37 -0000 Thank you very much about your efforts to explain me in detailed the 'dangerous dedicated' term. Regards, atar. Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 22 Sep 2013, atar wrote: > >> During the reading of the FreeBSD handbook, I've encountered at the >> term 'dangerously dedicated' regarding physical disks and the author of >> this chapter in the FreeBSD handbook didn't think this term need more >> clarity. so for newbies like me in the FreeBSD world I want to ask: >> what's the 'dangerously dedicated' term meaning by? > > The term refers to a disk partitioned with only the BSD disklabel > partition table: > > disk ada0 > partition "a" (ada0a, /) > partition "b" (ada0b, swap) > partition "d" (ada0d, /var) > partition "e" (ada0e, /tmp) > partition "f" (ada0f, /usr) > > It's "dangerous" because that partitioning format is rare outside of > BSD-based systems. Disk utilities may not recognize it, and could > damage it. > > Most of the rest of the world used MBR partitioning, which allowed up to > four MBR partitions (called "slices" by FreeBSD) per disk. > > Since four slices is not enough for the standard FreeBSD disk layout, > with /, swap, /var, /tmp, and /usr, the standard procedure is to use MBR > partitioning, with the MBR partitions ("slices") being sub-partitioned > by a BSD disklabel. > > disk ada0 > MBR slice 1 (ada0s1) > partition "a" (ada0s1a, /) > partition "b" (ada0s1b, swap) > partition "d" (ada0s1d, /var) > partition "e" (ada0s1e, /tmp) > partition "f" (ada0s1f, /usr) > MBR slice 2 (ada0s2) > ... > > Yes, one partition format inside another. It only seems complicated > because it is. > > GPT is the new partitioning format, which makes things much simpler by > being capable of up to 128 partitions in the standard configuration. > With GPT, there is no reason to use BSD disklabels at all. > > disk ada0 > GPT partition 1 (ada0p1, bootcode) > GPT partition 2 (ada0p2, /) > GPT partition 3 (ada0p3, swap) > GPT partition 4 (ada0p4, /var) > GPT partition 5 (ada0p5, /tmp) > GPT partition 6 (ada0p6, /usr) > > Summary: "Dangerously dedicated" partitioning has no unique advantages. > Use GPT when possible, use MBR/disklabel when necessary. 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I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying that my domain is forbidden...). Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good mailing-list, just le me know. 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[91.91.66.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d11sm19014669wic.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <523F121F.50407@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:51:59 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130830 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fbsd8 Subject: Re: rctl within jail References: <5236B4A2.4000103@gmail.com> <523EF48A.9090007@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: <523EF48A.9090007@a1poweruser.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:52:06 -0000 On 22.09.2013 15:45, Fbsd8 wrote: > David Demelier wrote: >> Hello there, >> >> I wanted to use rctl within a jail to add more fine grained setting for >> some users, and default ones to. But it does not seem to work. Is it >> supported? Do we need to add a special flag to the jail creation? >> >> # rctl -a loginclass:default:maxproc:deny=30 >> rctl: rctl_add_rule: Operation not permitted >> >> Regards, >> >> David > > The rctl command is brand new. It does not have a group of users yet, so > that is why you have not received any replies to your post. > > As far as I know you can not issue the "rctl" command from within the > running jail. > > The "rctl" command is issued on the HOST only. > > You can apply rules to an entire jail if you want to, for example; to > limit the amount of memory a jail can use: > > # rctl -a jail::memoryuse:deny=1G > > (where is the name of your jail). This would make sure the > jail can't use more than (approximately) 1 gigabyte of memory. > > To enable rctl on the host, you need to compile a custom kernel that > contains the following 2 parameters; > options RACCT > options RCTL > Yes, I will also post a PR for this because no manpage is saying that you requires this on your kernel. I will provide a new manpage and a bit more documentation. > I think your rctl command would look like this when issued from the host > rctl -a jail::loginclass:default:maxproc:deny=30 > What I really want, is to avoid users to spawn too much processes (aka fork bombs). But if I apply to the jail directly, it also apply to the services jails, which is a bit not wanted. Regards, David From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 22 17:15:28 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1638F4 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:15:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (go-003-i83.relay.mailchannels.net [204.187.13.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9412B96 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:15:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: demandmedia|env-sender|fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Received: from mail-24.name-services.com (ip-10-255-7-74.us-west-2.compute.internal [10.255.7.74]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 696C4665E; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:45:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: demandmedia|env-sender|fbsd8@a1poweruser.com Received: from mail-24.name-services.com (mail-24.name-services.com [10.255.21.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.0.11); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 13:45:52 GMT X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: demandmedia Received: from [10.0.10.1] (cpe-173-88-219-204.neo.res.rr.com [173.88.219.204]) by mail-24.name-services.com with SMTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 06:45:45 -0700 Message-ID: <523EF48A.9090007@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:45:46 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Demelier , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: rctl within jail References: <5236B4A2.4000103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5236B4A2.4000103@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:15:28 -0000 David Demelier wrote: > Hello there, > > I wanted to use rctl within a jail to add more fine grained setting for > some users, and default ones to. But it does not seem to work. Is it > supported? Do we need to add a special flag to the jail creation? > > # rctl -a loginclass:default:maxproc:deny=30 > rctl: rctl_add_rule: Operation not permitted > > Regards, > > David The rctl command is brand new. It does not have a group of users yet, so that is why you have not received any replies to your post. As far as I know you can not issue the "rctl" command from within the running jail. The "rctl" command is issued on the HOST only. You can apply rules to an entire jail if you want to, for example; to limit the amount of memory a jail can use: # rctl -a jail::memoryuse:deny=1G (where is the name of your jail). This would make sure the jail can't use more than (approximately) 1 gigabyte of memory. To enable rctl on the host, you need to compile a custom kernel that contains the following 2 parameters; options RACCT options RCTL I think your rctl command would look like this when issued from the host rctl -a jail::loginclass:default:maxproc:deny=30 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 22 20:03:25 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EEB196 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:03:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 955A52374 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBF419.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.203.244.25]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8MK3F0m052646; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:03:15 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r8MK33QJ096919; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:03:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8MK2pNq089364; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:02:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201309222002.r8MK2pNq089364@fire.js.berklix.net> To: David Demelier Subject: Re: Unban my second address from the mailing list From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:48:38 +0200." <523F1156.6070502@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:02:51 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:03:25 -0000 David Demelier wrote: > Hi, > > A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot > bounces, now the server is working and running. > > I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus > I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying > that my domain is forbidden...). > > Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good > mailing-list, just le me know. No, it's not correct to mail the list for this. For list specific issues: Most lists on Internet use conventions of owner-LISTNAME@ or LISTNAME-owner@ (often admins alias one to the other so both work), so if you get a bounce, mail the other) http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions also lists: moderators at freebsd.org But in this case as it's a domain issue, mail postmaster@freebsd.org Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. 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[91.91.33.220]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d11sm22335959wic.4.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <523FC8FA.6050803@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:52:10 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130830 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: Unban my second address from the mailing list References: <201309222002.r8MK2pNq089364@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201309222002.r8MK2pNq089364@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:52:19 -0000 On 22.09.2013 22:02, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > David Demelier wrote: >> Hi, >> >> A long time ago, my domain malikania.fr has been banned because of lot >> bounces, now the server is working and running. >> >> I sometime send some PR directly from my server using this domain, thus >> I would like to be unbanned (the mail wasn't sent and postfix was saying >> that my domain is forbidden...). >> >> Can you unban my domain please? If I don't post to the good >> mailing-list, just le me know. > > No, it's not correct to mail the list for this. > For list specific issues: > Most lists on Internet use conventions of > owner-LISTNAME@ > or LISTNAME-owner@ > (often admins alias one to the other so both work), > so if you get a bounce, mail the other) > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > also lists: > moderators at freebsd.org > > But in this case as it's a domain issue, mail > postmaster@freebsd.org > > Cheers, > Julian > Okay thanks, I'll forward the original message ! 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Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:25:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2EDC2E77 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BDD5276A8; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:25:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r8NAPC2U001949; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:25:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:25:12 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Subject: Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks. Message-Id: <20130923122512.a9b91aae.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: atar , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:25:28 -0000 On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 08:25:24 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > It's "dangerous" because that partitioning format is rare outside of > BSD-based systems. Disk utilities may not recognize it, and could > damage it. I think this is a good characterization of the term currently used. In historical context this layout would deserve the name "traditional", as non-PC BSD installations did not _require_ a MBR "enclosing" to be present - this is a concept introduced by the PC world. Most PCs still work with "dedicated" perfectly well if desired (even though there is no real reason to use that layout approach). I try to avoid the part "dangerously" because the danger is only significant in non-BSD land, like some obscure systems that could try to "repair" something and cause data loss, which is well known and feared... :-) > Most of the rest of the world used MBR partitioning, which allowed up to > four MBR partitions (called "slices" by FreeBSD) per disk. Those are, precisely called "DOS primary partitions" (in difference to "DOS extended partitions" which somehow behave like slices in BSD terminology). :-) > Yes, one partition format inside another. It only seems complicated > because it is. Which makes it useful and flexible. :-) > With GPT, there is no reason to use BSD disklabels at all. And most modern computers do not have any problem booting it. The old MBR approach (as well as dedicated) will probably only be needed in niche applications and exceptions. You can have all the advantages of "being easy stuff" known from dedicated layout by using the GPT tools, plus you gain "more compatibility" if this matters. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 23 11:05:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A20966 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:05:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leslie@eskk.nu) Received: from mx1.bjare.net (mx1.bjare.net [212.31.160.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 172E720A4 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C595E517 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:54:30 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx1.bjare.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.973 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.973 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.025, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_PBL=0.905, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.596] Received: from mx1.bjare.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.bjare.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id xHxUJMQf0RHT for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:54:25 +0200 (CEST) X-BN-MX1: ja X-BN-MailInfo: BjareNet Received: from bljbsd01.no-ip.org (c224-156-70-80.bjare.net [80.70.156.224]) by mx1.bjare.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 911FF5E4FD for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:54:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <52401DDF.9080502@eskk.nu> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:54:23 +0200 From: Leslie Jensen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Subject: What is Negative permissions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:05:07 -0000 In the daily security run I see the following: Checking setuid files and devices: Checking negative group permissions: 3791965 -rwxr--r-x 1 admin wheel 172 Mar 9 10:59:55 2011 /usr/home/admin/bin/noip_update.sh Is it just a reminder that the group has no x permissions or should I give those permissions? Thanks /Leslie From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 23 11:51:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7015EFCA for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:51:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E89252601 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (mux.fjl.org.uk [62.3.120.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8NBpoY5076548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:51:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <52402B58.5010505@fjl.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:51:52 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What is Negative permissions References: <52401DDF.9080502@eskk.nu> In-Reply-To: <52401DDF.9080502@eskk.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:51:54 -0000 On 23/09/2013 11:54, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > In the daily security run I see the following: > > > > Checking setuid files and devices: > > Checking negative group permissions: > 3791965 -rwxr--r-x 1 admin wheel 172 Mar 9 10:59:55 2011 > /usr/home/admin/bin/noip_update.sh > > > Is it just a reminder that the group has no x permissions or should I > give those permissions? Yes, basically. It's obviously very odd to give everyone OTHER than :wheel members permission to run it. What about user root in group wheel - is root allowed to run it? Actually, yes, even though you might think you've forbidden members of "wheel". Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 23 14:24:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532465E5; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vmiller@verisign.com) Received: from exprod6og112.obsmtp.com (exprod6og112.obsmtp.com [64.18.1.29]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A89142158; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peregrine.verisign.com ([216.168.239.74]) (using TLSv1) by exprod6ob112.postini.com ([64.18.5.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUkBO+P3IfHrZVN9P9n01QGk123ogiZSu@postini.com; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:23:59 PDT Received: from brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com (brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com [10.173.152.206]) by peregrine.verisign.com (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r8NCQI8g013846 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:26:22 -0400 Received: from BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) by brn1wnexcas02.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.02.0342.003; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:26:18 -0400 From: "Miller, Vincent (Rick)" To: FreeBSD , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-announce@freebsd.org" Subject: vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! Thread-Topic: vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! Thread-Index: AQHOuFgaLAC8n5osEkOFmI1TOqIaoQ== Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:26:17 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.13.0.110805 x-originating-ip: [10.173.152.4] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:24:00 -0000 Hi all, There are only 30 more days left to register for Verisign's vBSDcon. Onlin= e registrations will become unavailable October 23, 2013. For those planni= ng to attend, we encourage you to register soon at http://www.vbsdcon.com/.= You will not want to miss this event. There will presentations by severa= l well seasoned technologists such as Baptiste Darroussin on the subject of= "PkgNG", a new packaging system for FreeBSD based system such as FreeBSD, = PC-BSD, and Dragonfly BSD. Baptiste has a background in UNIX Systems Engineering and is involved in mu= ltiple facets of the FreeBSD project including being a Ports committer for = 3 years and a src committer for 2 years. His involvement also includes bein= g a member of the Port management team. PkgNG, a new package management fra= mework for FreeBSD, is one of Baptiste's primary roles where he is a lead d= eveloper. In addition to plenary speakers, vBSDcon will also feature after conference= hours Hacker Lounges and Doc Sprints. These sessions will be available fo= r the entire BSD communities to include NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and other= BSD based distributions to have a collaborative space to work and communic= ate with one another. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 23 16:05:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6A933A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:05:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ee0-x22c.google.com (mail-ee0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c00::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AA362746 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ee0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b47so1863138eek.17 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AoNMx22aGHBvBvcfDAnlGBSH9ZpTcbYLqAdC5st9tsM=; b=M/K8TS4pcmsHCdirc/TH2dH45G0uf8qbJ7FyrPbLVIwUon83kqMyg1AK9p/hD6TOPA P+JTf0qUJ1PhrRL5sDLG5OhY4yOwzjQlPOdJ3gTEfe/DnEBhij8jbICTM3mLmoHRLIHo CKFrKNLGqOqIvzFs+1i4Y1A/7gHtuUbUO8pPdL3LRIwVQ5SbzANaGGG7bjdvO0F6UxYQ pR9wRwnW7KuX7IoW7mypc1b3c4ysnE7GaiZbD1ddrtPZchl2QSsxlvflnacSjLY3/7lo k/ikd9xdzhPvOK6UXAHAb1T6FEPGExVG+961vaWwbXiST3SJbVe4q/HiSTIJcAr8CRFM 3qOg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.15.68.196 with SMTP id w44mr22475eex.82.1379952313898; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.22.65 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:05:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130923122512.a9b91aae.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20130923122512.a9b91aae.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:05:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks. From: Robert Simmons To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:05:16 -0000 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Polytropon wrote: >> With GPT, there is no reason to use BSD disklabels at all. > > And most modern computers do not have any problem booting it. > The old MBR approach (as well as dedicated) will probably only > be needed in niche applications and exceptions. You can have > all the advantages of "being easy stuff" known from dedicated > layout by using the GPT tools, plus you gain "more compatibility" > if this matters. Not entirely. Due to GEOM specs, if you create a GELI encrypted container, you cannot use GPT partitioning inside that container. You must use BSD. This is an edge case, and I've submitted a bug about it a while ago, but like I just said, this is apparently a feature not a bug. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 23 18:51:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52941516; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mail.lariat.net (mail.lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C87218C; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Toshi.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14047; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201309231851.MAA14047@mail.lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:51:18 -0600 To: FreeBSD , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: "Miller, Vincent \(Rick\)" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:34 -0000 All: It's good to see corporate support of BSD, but at the same time I have mixed feelings about certain corporations -- Verisign among them -- hosting BSD-related conferences or becoming involved in the development of BSD-based operating systems. Why? Because Verisign, based in Reston, Virginia (the city next door to Vienna, VA, home of the NSA), has strong ties to this shadowy agency. The NSA, in turn -- as reported in documents recently leaked by Edward Snowden -- has a very strong interest in weakening the security of cryptographic algorithms, cryptographic software, and operating systems. We may want to look this gift horse very carefully in the mouth, or at least monitor very closely "contributions" of code that might introduce backdoors or weaknesses. --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 23 20:29:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286EB469 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB1C92784 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOClI-00033h-85 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:29:40 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.84.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:29:40 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:29:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:29:27 -0400 Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <201309231851.MAA14047@mail.lariat.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-84-117.washdc.fios.verizon.net X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: nightrecon@hotmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:29:49 -0000 Brett Glass wrote: > All: > > It's good to see corporate support of BSD, but at the same time I > have mixed feelings about certain corporations -- Verisign among > them -- hosting BSD-related conferences or becoming involved in the > development of BSD-based operating systems. Why? Because Verisign, > based in Reston, Virginia (the city next door to Vienna, VA, home > of the NSA), has strong ties to this shadowy agency. No. I used to work right down the street from Network Solutions (now known as Verisign) in Herndon. Indeed, I had job offerings from them but felt I was better off to stay where I was. The NSA is headquartered at Ft Meade, near Columbia in Maryland. I worked there for 8 years? The CIA headquarters is in Mclean, Virgina, which is right next door to Vienna. Reston/Herndon is a few miles down the Dulles Toll Rd to the west. I've been to all these places, so this is not some MapQuest google for me. > The NSA, in > turn -- as reported in documents recently leaked by Edward Snowden > -- has a very strong interest in weakening the security of > cryptographic algorithms, cryptographic software, and operating > systems. We may want to look this gift horse very carefully in the > mouth, or at least monitor very closely "contributions" of code > that might introduce backdoors or weaknesses. On some level I agree with this - to a point. Examine how the NSA maneuvered the NIST to approve and mandate the FIPS-140 protocols, where deeply concealed was a known weak prng. To some of us this is not news - we've known it for a long time. Arguments of pro vs con, good vs evil, ad infinitum ad nauseum, etc, are better served in a different venue. It is so much easier to get away with concealing such things inside the closed-source paradigm. What I like and admire with open source is the code is out there in public for all to examine. These truly arcane crypto stuffs operate at such a high level of mathematical complexity that even very highly skilled cryptographer/mathematicians argue amongst themselves. I am just not that smart, or that highly educated. There are some in the open source community who do have very large propellers on their beanie caps. I defer to them simply because they are smarter then me. I would trust them long before I would trust closed source. I agree about the 'looking the gift horse in the mouth' concept. Bear in mind, however, some of the guys at NIST are pretty smart too. And yet this FIPS-140/prng stuff went right by them. My suggestion is for FreeBSD (indeed open source in general) to try and engage, include, and attract to the community the kinds of elite mathematician who may have the facilities to examine the code at a higher level than can dummies like me. Whenever The Citadel wants the public to fixate on any one particular brouhaha I know they are trying to get everyone looking in a particular direction whilst they are pulling something else. Verisign may very well have some other obfuscated agenda. Take a step backwards and try to obtain some view of the bigger picture (hint). Will not elaborate here, even though I do have some crackpot ideas. I find it highly ironic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_%28character%29#Snowden I got no end of amusement from this. Just my $ 0.02. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 23 21:11:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 086795C5 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from root@smtp.4938.vpsi.pl) Received: from smarthost3.win.pl (smarthost3.win.pl [195.88.31.150]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C392A1C for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.4938.vpsi.pl (4938.vpsi.pl [94.152.192.138]) by smarthost3.win.pl with SMTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:09:20 +0200 Received: (qmail 12530 invoked by uid 0); 23 Sep 2013 21:09:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 30661 invoked by uid 138007); 23 Sep 2013 18:51:48 -0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on 3001635.s.tld.pl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 Delivered-To: office.net.pl-lucas@office.net.pl Received: (qmail 30607 invoked by uid 138007); 23 Sep 2013 18:51:46 -0000 X-clamdmail: clamdmail 0.18a Received: from 8.8.178.116 (HELO mx2.freebsd.org) (8.8.178.116) by 94.152.192.138 with SMTP; 23 Sep 2013 18:51:46 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4527D112; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2AA581; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52941516; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mail.lariat.net (mail.lariat.net [66.62.230.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C87218C; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 18:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Toshi.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14047; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:51:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <201309231851.MAA14047@mail.lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:51:18 -0600 To: FreeBSD , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 21:11:49 -0000 All: It's good to see corporate support of BSD, but at the same time I have mixed feelings about certain corporations -- Verisign among them -- hosting BSD-related conferences or becoming involved in the development of BSD-based operating systems. Why? Because Verisign, based in Reston, Virginia (the city next door to Vienna, VA, home of the NSA), has strong ties to this shadowy agency. The NSA, in turn -- as reported in documents recently leaked by Edward Snowden -- has a very strong interest in weakening the security of cryptographic algorithms, cryptographic software, and operating systems. We may want to look this gift horse very carefully in the mouth, or at least monitor very closely "contributions" of code that might introduce backdoors or weaknesses. --Brett Glass _______________________________________________ freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 00:00:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424F9791 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ea0-x22d.google.com (mail-ea0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c01::22d]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D116022FF for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ea0-f173.google.com with SMTP id g10so2093296eak.32 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=sSenMS+FZQ3fMnV7EuAegBNWz4H301I3prBdMCxnKpw=; b=U8J5pvLw+DmuEBWMYLELio1EIaVSjEmCihdyzFAoBOQwru2pwNWTRexekxdlNdVWkk eWcjl4pJ8M8xAio8jqY9QcI8JX3RlNZlRw5fiuoUY86eqP0a12pe7lQh3m+h/qeaRTb0 Cte8cx5U0rDifgryC80+Kok7c8VZw4ensq1m4amtANNwKJHQkDWFd+ckaKpOvKeVX6SN WeqvcJXs4oxwK2ZEg82DQ+71gpJ33NIQnpPpsT2yN6zdzYEHgClosYL5nDiwmHU8cReN V9u71TiJScb8C3kebBfOjCofXYnQbszeHN3BwkJmi2n5kA3uRy8zr4ZHNEHxgqiU2Dpu Hvew== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.14.219.198 with SMTP id m46mr9299215eep.41.1379980841061; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.22.65 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:00:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201309231851.MAA14047@mail.lariat.net> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:00:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! From: Robert Simmons To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:00:43 -0000 Any contribution from a company like Verisign needs to be carefully scrutinized. I also don't think it wise to allow them to take a leadership role of any type. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Michael Powell wrote: > Brett Glass wrote: > >> All: >> >> It's good to see corporate support of BSD, but at the same time I >> have mixed feelings about certain corporations -- Verisign among >> them -- hosting BSD-related conferences or becoming involved in the >> development of BSD-based operating systems. Why? Because Verisign, >> based in Reston, Virginia (the city next door to Vienna, VA, home >> of the NSA), has strong ties to this shadowy agency. > > No. I used to work right down the street from Network Solutions (now known > as Verisign) in Herndon. Indeed, I had job offerings from them but felt I was > better off to stay where I was. The NSA is headquartered at Ft Meade, near > Columbia in Maryland. I worked there for 8 years? The CIA headquarters is in > Mclean, Virgina, which is right next door to Vienna. Reston/Herndon is a few > miles down the Dulles Toll Rd to the west. I've been to all these places, so > this is not some MapQuest google for me. > >> The NSA, in >> turn -- as reported in documents recently leaked by Edward Snowden >> -- has a very strong interest in weakening the security of >> cryptographic algorithms, cryptographic software, and operating >> systems. We may want to look this gift horse very carefully in the >> mouth, or at least monitor very closely "contributions" of code >> that might introduce backdoors or weaknesses. > > On some level I agree with this - to a point. Examine how the NSA maneuvered > the NIST to approve and mandate the FIPS-140 protocols, where deeply > concealed was a known weak prng. To some of us this is not news - we've > known it for a long time. Arguments of pro vs con, good vs evil, ad > infinitum ad nauseum, etc, are better served in a different venue. > > It is so much easier to get away with concealing such things inside the > closed-source paradigm. What I like and admire with open source is the code > is out there in public for all to examine. These truly arcane crypto stuffs > operate at such a high level of mathematical complexity that even very > highly skilled cryptographer/mathematicians argue amongst themselves. > > I am just not that smart, or that highly educated. There are some in the > open source community who do have very large propellers on their beanie > caps. I defer to them simply because they are smarter then me. I would trust > them long before I would trust closed source. > > I agree about the 'looking the gift horse in the mouth' concept. Bear in > mind, however, some of the guys at NIST are pretty smart too. And yet this > FIPS-140/prng stuff went right by them. My suggestion is for FreeBSD (indeed > open source in general) to try and engage, include, and attract to the > community the kinds of elite mathematician who may have the facilities to > examine the code at a higher level than can dummies like me. > > Whenever The Citadel wants the public to fixate on any one particular > brouhaha I know they are trying to get everyone looking in a particular > direction whilst they are pulling something else. Verisign may very well > have some other obfuscated agenda. Take a step backwards and try to obtain > some view of the bigger picture (hint). Will not elaborate here, even though > I do have some crackpot ideas. > > I find it highly ironic: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_%28character%29#Snowden > > I got no end of amusement from this. Just my $ 0.02. > > -Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 00:56:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44BB1CA for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18C8F2561 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p57BCFD07.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [87.188.253.7]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8O0u6k6006848; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:56:06 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r8O0tvCg005328; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 02:55:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8O0tcGl079985; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 02:55:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201309240055.r8O0tcGl079985@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:29:27 EDT." Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 02:55:38 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Brett Glass X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 00:56:15 -0000 Hi, Good points in Brett & Michael's posts, but for brevity not copied. Best avoid having code written & reviewed just in USA as it would get less trust globaly, NSA is a known alien mega spy, & USA even coerces non USA citizens outside USA, eg http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/01/gary-mckinnon-extradition-nightmare http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/ukhomeoffice-stop-the-extradition-of-richard-o-dwyer-to-the-usa-saverichard Best encourage FreeBSD sources to be used & suspiciously reviewed by a variety of programmers & mathematicians/ cryptologists from different backgrounds & countries; Max chance of loophole reporting with more people from a spectrum of countries with rival mutualy distrusting governments from such as eg { Britain, China, France, Germany, Israel, North Korea, Russia, Syria, USA } etc. Presumably nearly all of us are cluless on crypto. math. so meantime encourage involvement of citizens of at least a few different dis-trusting countries. Kernels perhaps have less reviewers than cross-OS S/W eg GPG & Open-SSH etc, so kernels might be target of choice of suborners ? Maybe FreeBSD Foundation could set up a cheap bonus scheme for security bugs exposed/ fixed - Special edition coffee mugs, non purchasable, sent only as a reward, posted globaly free. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 02:48:01 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF5D6EF for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 02:48:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm21-vm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com (nm21-vm2.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com [212.82.108.206]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A9BA29AF for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 02:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [77.238.189.239] by nm21.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2013 02:47:51 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.105] by tm20.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2013 02:47:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp142.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Sep 2013 02:47:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s1024; t=1379990871; bh=2b292QtCE4HqtyNSGvWa/44VwXE2bOEPjlaUCbrE7zs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GCI19Xn7zegNOQQA40ekjIBm1KWoB7C0pEPzXFzZiYzMxGZO6r+LEEzZjWcZxMZDjpmvGL1VRp6bNUbZU6e13z9YR8g3S9WPKaUq5+5syF5pT2XyREMIsgBZrOe77H/RoPYUOTreaeYm1ODQId0mgJIiC8952E2Twaxj1v8pmJ0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 129578.20313.bm@smtp142.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: QyVuqq0VM1mh7DIv.dM.IZVKbwOxpa82CIDRCyVde8Eu3Ju rtlTsieR_cEXDsWkwsJ44NoFZ6ACgI7fW14M3Em6DnqktJEGntuN8vp4u6dm 2.dX3WGycyM10sGglmF02nb09uBDZandlmIaEM4TspiyqPwZXn6OUqRXwOAV tOvCr6mhYiPqW8pbxeiuBPbXDfu5Q2fNF_3F3Q6SfNmXMyO3nOtu.yyrt4nJ aS3c91qCmQ7a.tp9U0E8lQk59RL1oaCtKM2LRzVadWVnUJVgI3.lCLZj0pwE yyglxwFBHuZnh.OCRq_ZHtxC_UGgsBmaa_F13KSAn.6WTNGR41OaLKIVGPqE WxR51yLKW.lTH6YmgYLE_5VpP6Qetor61t51lBZhmbfRy50zMW_cuX9uIwLX vHDmDhxYN8YQX6uAZzgz7VYekLucTmmvwROIguB2azJ43RYXbHy4tZob.gR1 uzugFIzsmFZvQp0vf.U1y56P9ekMjJiRVBR96qVIFBvycflgqW9T7NVyqYZP zFlhqRZgSV5GpjBHzhWusBRWxLdm5n33UvOyhfoGqeRNRJ9OPgGdcJxVdV4h mlRZ0ZmWsN3W4elINxLY798SiCeuPVI5e3Lp6HMj88dlfumMt06XQzu8EHSJ L8suV7lay6UZyyAfGQwOGAjftBx42rQdy9fZs X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- X-Rocket-Received: from [92.224.209.235] (ralf.mardorf@92.224.209.235 with ) by smtp142.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Sep 2013 02:47:51 +0000 UTC Message-ID: <1379990870.726.11.camel@archlinux> Subject: Re: [FreeBSD-Announce] vBSDcon Registrations Only Open For 30 More Days! From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:47:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <201309231851.MAA14047@mail.lariat.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.8.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 02:48:02 -0000 On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 20:00 -0400, Robert Simmons wrote: > Any contribution from a company like Verisign needs to be carefully > scrutinized. No it has to be turned down flat. Huge companies from the USA at all events are untrustworthy. The only trustworthy companies are such companies: "I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit." - http://lavabit.com/ "Levison said that he could be arrested for closing the site instead of releasing the information, and it was reported that the federal prosecutor's office had sent Levinson's lawyer an e-mail to that effect." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavabit There can't be any doubts about it, Verisign will do what they can do to make FreeBSD insecure. Nothing good will contributed by them. Not a single big company from the USA does not cooperate with the NSA, they all cooperate with the NSA. Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 04:22:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81F4688 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78B132EA6 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r8O4MB6i041921; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r8O4MBuY041918; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:22:11 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:22:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Robert Simmons Subject: Re: dangerously dedicated physical disks. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20130923122512.a9b91aae.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:22:19 -0000 On Mon, 23 Sep 2013, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 6:25 AM, Polytropon wrote: >>> With GPT, there is no reason to use BSD disklabels at all. >> >> And most modern computers do not have any problem booting it. >> The old MBR approach (as well as dedicated) will probably only >> be needed in niche applications and exceptions. You can have >> all the advantages of "being easy stuff" known from dedicated >> layout by using the GPT tools, plus you gain "more compatibility" >> if this matters. > > Not entirely. Due to GEOM specs, if you create a GELI encrypted > container, you cannot use GPT partitioning inside that container. You > must use BSD. This is an edge case, and I've submitted a bug about it > a while ago, but like I just said, this is apparently a feature not a > bug. It's not GEOM, it's just GPT. By specification, the backup partition table has to be at the end of the disk. That interferes with anything else that wants to put metadata there, like GELI or gmirror. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 06:51:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBEBF5C for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:51:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D9EA2587 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r8O6pj5r084782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:51:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) with ESMTP id r8O6pjm1084779 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:51:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 08:51:45 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Convincing print/auctex to depend on editors/emacs-nox11 Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="2055831798-88642451-1380005505=:1329" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on mail.fig.ol.no X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:51:50 -0000 This message is in MIME format. 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Message-ID: <20130924110032.1dca2a08@gnewsense.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA256; boundary="Sig_/8ledbWV9jvAv4Z=J6yHKcbD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:00:03 -0000 --Sig_/8ledbWV9jvAv4Z=J6yHKcbD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Thank you very much about your efforts to explain me in detailed the =20 >'dangerous dedicated' term. > >Regards, > >atar. And as a complete newb trying to wrestle with some of the concepts here, may I add my thanks here for clarifying yet another well-understood matter which leaves us floundering. Thanks again to all who have diffused some of the mystique which surrounds BSD from time to time. ++ Graham Todd --Sig_/8ledbWV9jvAv4Z=J6yHKcbD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlJBYsAACgkQ3lv/TkjVsTJqqAEAnQgbaVCBB5DUbrQ6WUeb3r4e LNNwZwQRO4Hl9UmyrXQA/3U8hk7X2kR+OUr/1A9Ip0tdqpIoXnqV3a3q9MTBuLeW =nt5q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/8ledbWV9jvAv4Z=J6yHKcbD-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 11:57:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48837FD2 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivares14031@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22f.google.com (mail-lb0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6E98269D for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id y6so3675968lbh.20 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:57:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xVvPOn505WU8IR+e90q8Nix8vic2bYjp3QdBdTvZx9w=; b=yK8bDHke9LdVcRrzlSJO5OsKKAzhWyo4B4ynSqgU6awMjk1r5CmhDTkLmyCssrgLDu 9dlEnSZSeTN8zBO+NmbvZhSBbqdVHmykAI/Z9wa57Kv7vR3QlL5Xn2u8yKSXyuYBczwh fVDVZhJLPb2fjhkw+GLhTvvw4NsjRJ/qC4rxkQaD0zlERgvz/w2VZcBGONItiVHBCONm 3o17t189I+XVH0N4NNrlzG0xlRw2cUGsB4P59c8U7fKvR08FAsMnX1+6GJ/hMaRWlJso 8JaMtAbJfgOQSk3P2Q9oc/6CqOythHlrDGq7g+YcfRS0/j12ZQGBmJeIvZNMnZcQ6nuI lp6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.159.166 with SMTP id xd6mr24280817lbb.22.1380023862739; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.157.129 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 04:57:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5e26bb08-5c47-4dc9-89fd-28c249163078@email.android.com> References: <5e26bb08-5c47-4dc9-89fd-28c249163078@email.android.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: e2fsprogs fails to build/compile in FreeBSD 9.1 From: Antonio Olivares To: Matthias Andree Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 11:57:45 -0000 On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:19 AM, Matthias Andree wrote: > > > Antonio Olivares schrieb: >> >> Dear Sir, >> >> I forwarded the message to list about failing to build e2fsprogs. >> >> Hope you can advice! >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> Antonio >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Antonio Olivares >> Date: Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:25 PM >> Subject: e2fsprogs fails to build/compile in FreeBSD 9.1 >> To: FreeBSD Questions >> >> >> gmake[2]: Entering directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/resize' >> CC extent.c >> CC resize2fs.c >> CC main.c >> CC online.c >> CC resource_track.c >> CC sim_progress.c >> CC test_extent.c >> SUBST resize2fs.8 >> LD test_extent >> LD resize2fs >> gmake[2]: Leaving directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/resize' >> making all in tests/progs >> gmake[2]: Entering directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/tests/progs' >> CC test_icount.c >> MK_CMDS test_icount_cmds.c >> CC crcsum.c >> CC test_icount_cmds.c >> LD crcsum >> LD test_icount >> gmake[2]: Leaving directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/tests/progs' >> making all in po >> gmake[2]: Entering directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/po' >> gmake[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. >> gmake[2]: Leaving directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/po' >> gmake[1]: Leaving directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8' >> gmake docs >> gmake[1]: Entering directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8' >> gmake[2]: Entering directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/doc' >> MAKEINFO libext2fs.info >> gmake[2]: Leaving directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/doc' >> gmake[1]: Leaving directory >> `/usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8' >> cd /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs/work/e2fsprogs-1.42.8/e2fsck && >> /bin/rm -f e2fsck && gmake e2fsck STATIC_LIBS="../lib/libext2fs.a >> ../lib/libcom_err.a ../lib/libblkid.a ../lib/libuuid.a" >> LIBINTL="/usr/local/lib/libintl.a" >> LD e2fsck >> /usr/local/lib/libintl.a(dcigettext.o): In function `_nl_find_msg': >> dcigettext.c:(.text+0x94b): undefined reference to `libiconv_open' >> dcigettext.c:(.text+0x9fa): undefined reference to `libiconv' >> dcigettext.c:(.text+0xbaf): undefined reference to `libiconv_open' >> /usr/local/lib/libintl.a(relocatable.o): In function >> `libintl_set_relocation_prefix': >> relocatable.c:(.text+0x14b): undefined reference to >> `libiconv_set_relocation_prefix' >> gmake: *** [e2fsck] Error 1 >> *** [post-build] Error code 2 >> >> Stop in >> /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs. >> *** [build] Error code 1 >> >> Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs. >> >> ===>>> make failed for sysutils/e2fsprogs >> ===>>> Aborting update >> >> ===>>> Update for sysutils/e2fsprogs failed >> ===>>> Aborting update >> >> ===>>> Killing background jobs >> Terminated >> >> >> >> >> >> Ideas, advice, suggestions, will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Best Regards, >> >> >> Antonio > > > Antonio, > > sorry it is giving you troubles. Try make config and deselect NLS, I will > investigate the trouble 8 days from today. > > Best regards, > Matthias Dear Matthias & Eduardo & all, I unchecked NLS from config. and it worked. Thanks very much for your help! =========================================================================== Note: this is a modified version of the e2fsprogs package, not the official package. Report all building and run-time trouble that originates in the package to the port maintainer, mandree@FreeBSD.org. =========================================================================== ===> Compressing manual pages for e2fsprogs-1.42.8 ===> Running ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig -m /usr/local/lib ===> Registering installation for e2fsprogs-1.42.8 ===>>> Upgrade of e2fsprogs-1.42.7 to e2fsprogs-1.42.8 succeeded ===>>> Deleting stale distfile: e2fsprogs-1.42.7.tar.gz ===>>> Returning to update check of installed ports ===>>> Update check of installed ports complete ===>>> pkg-message for fusefs-libs-2.9.3_1 Install the fuse kernel module to use this port. ===>>> pkg-message for e2fsprogs-1.42.8 =========================================================================== Note: this is a modified version of the e2fsprogs package, not the official package. Report all building and run-time trouble that originates in the package to the port maintainer, mandree@FreeBSD.org. =========================================================================== Best Regards, Antonio From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 15:16:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4436CD90 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:16:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8251240E for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.news4all.se (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id r8OFFt9f024914 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:15:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <5241AC55.7050003@bananmonarki.se> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:14:29 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130419 Thunderbird/17.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions FreeBSD Subject: HP Workstation & install Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:16:09 -0000 Hello list! I've bought an HP Workstation xw8200 and trying to install fsb 8.3, 8.4 and 9.1. The machine boots with all of the 8.x but never install, trying to install from usb stick. Installing 9.1 works, sort of, installation works fine but it never boot. Gives; Non-system disk or disk error replace and strike any key when ready. It is a dual xeon system with 6 Gb ram and 4 HDDs 2 73Gb scsi one 120Gb PATA and one 160Gb SATA From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 17:11:36 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929D1BA1 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:11:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pascal@lechindianer.de) Received: from scummserver.lechindianer.de (lvps83-169-44-49.dedicated.hosteurope.de [83.169.44.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5531E2B74 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:11:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.178.46] (dslb-084-057-052-034.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.57.52.34]) by scummserver.lechindianer.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0BBF1DB801D for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:53:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5241B54D.9040007@lechindianer.de> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:52:45 +0200 From: Pascal Schmid User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130806 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP Workstation & install References: <5241AC55.7050003@bananmonarki.se> In-Reply-To: <5241AC55.7050003@bananmonarki.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:11:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/24/2013 05:14 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Hello list! > > I've bought an HP Workstation xw8200 and trying to install fsb 8.3, 8.4 and 9.1. The machine > boots with all of the 8.x but never install, trying to install from usb stick. > > Installing 9.1 works, sort of, installation works fine but it never boot. > > Gives; > > Non-system disk or disk error replace and strike any key when ready. > > It is a dual xeon system with 6 Gb ram and 4 HDDs 2 73Gb scsi one 120Gb PATA and one 160Gb > SATA > > _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hello, according to my search results this error is related to a broken hard drive cable or due to a wrong boot sequence (BIOS can't find your boot disk). Have you tried to set the boot disk on first position for booting? If that doesn't help, please check the cables. Pascal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSQbVNAAoJEAWefonBOgAf7YAQAKjUmOIABchF6S85EdBo3Pe7 HlhXpf787PPpchHm3tuiYJ7zTv11W/4HJTJvbBXtqlt8QrQU2eIdC7ONSSJFdenK bYwTjSmy4yQW3qi1V5sd+i16T/v2vDPyHoILlWg56b7PEQmaog8EPpis/Z1bkSks wzhBrZFFZlKbMni/ECfOEsbvb13NeZPgA2OR2udRYGP0a7u2mK2218FjkDNrwdIO 9e4a87LLxLe/U9RE7BFHiGuLT1f804Mq7A8x6K2gpeDyqfkAoy126mUINUUZNKVb r09cKG2qhN8W8gEdBkGXjGfYzGFrUWCXxgPq7SGnNfGB+Skl1t0l6lAcT8YZ8L59 f4GKAYksuL3iCyooQVBvq0f7lU7wqcKpx/8ZifW/GSDzS7d+DN+u/NjdDoLMHn2I Pg6iVysJlzYVq3oY8AihAJcsGQutS9PZX1MbOvdJ1Y/X11odQ+SQ9fP+Ao5tCe1e fMer1EYrNN3nZuTr/Uo3q5NIwyyyCdvHk82qURlmoZ4gMtQQciDaRlRBc3lcyuXL 9aFGUDZsL0gWKC9ehYPh8sVzz59NmeLM+kglLhAriYD1Jn3ZT8Y1K6cHBkL2mkw8 xpiJ57tbz4K4j8Q2h4eYK6zak7XGBzxS4YmrfN/ZWKzsdL8quKXgLlWnjQ39wH9A 27P2kRVQxMIR9Px7MwCH =jQlO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 24 18:25:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A475A896 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61D1F2FDF for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOXIG-0007Y6-34 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:25:04 +0200 Received: from 42-145-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr ([109.190.145.42]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:25:04 +0200 Received: from nh.techn by 42-145-190-109.dsl.ovh.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:25:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Nicolas Hainaux Subject: Re: Shared object "libaprutil-1.so.4" not found, required by "libserf-1.so.0" Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 83 Message-ID: References: <523152C1.2090204@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 109.190.145.42 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:25:06 -0000 Antonio Olivares gmail.com> writes: > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Matthew Seaman > infracaninophile.co.uk> wrote: > > On 11/09/2013 21:03, Antonio Olivares wrote: > >> [Info 19:57:22] Updating 'freebsd_texlive' source ports tree with method 'svn'. > >> Shared object "libaprutil-1.so.4" not found, required by "libserf-1.so.0" > >> [Error 19:57:22] Subversion update failed. > >> [Error 19:57:22] Failed to update the 'freebsd_texlive' ports tree. > > > > Yeah -- you need to update or install the package that provides > > libaprutil-1.so. If you're using pkg(8) against a package repository > > rather than compiling your own, you could use: > > > > pkg check -d subversion-1.8.3 > > > > For portmaster dependencies should be auto-updated when you run > > > > portmaster devel/subversion > > > > It might be useful to run > > > > portmaster --force-config -f devel/subversion > > > > so you can recheck all the options settings of dependencies, but this > > will rebuild portmaster and everything it depends on. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Matthew > > > > -- > > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. > > > > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey > > JID: matthew infracaninophile.co.uk > > > > Dear Dr. Matthew, > > Thank you very much for your excellent advice. Worked like a champ! > Now if I can get iced-teaweb/openjdk to open *.jnlp files to use java, > it appears that itweb-javaws is not working correctly. Firefox > reports that the file *.jnlp downloaded, but it is not opened by java. > Thank you very much sir for your help. > > Best Regards, > > Antonio > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe freebsd.org" > > Hello, I've had the same problem, also using portshaker and freebsd-texlive ports. I think the solution was in /usr/ports/UPDATING : 20130706: AFFECTS: users of devel/apr1 AUTHOR: ohauer@FreeBSD.org APR was updated to 1.4.8 and APR-util was updated to 1.5.2. Please rebuild all ports which are using functions from APR/APR-util such as apache, subversion ... # portmaster -r apr or # portupgrade -r devel/apr1 or # pkg install -fR devel/apr1 Best regards From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 01:02:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8024762 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aurfalien@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x236.google.com (mail-pa0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93AB62935 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pa0-f54.google.com with SMTP id kx10so5782544pab.27 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version; bh=UWtImwKay4wTsxDApSCk8EHyDHMNRD8ccbzA0MDzuAU=; b=czksIGF+81BFWiXY1AG3K5ZBW1Vpl5Miut3AARNSexTQQAqpVvkhsMmmw0Er0r+UMr nufPdCgmczylqdZLEjhO0DodJbLFek8mH6jFJJZ3fZTNe/3dIHQOlhpMZ5H0b2nd5+mc LGkarLnxpFAt8nyeZzrtJGD7hKzARN0DJ2zcWnUBke4pPjm0k62Buc38/YeJLB4ZWsYq uSqx3DnZVv40VdHWYDLrWgZdnGSzCKOPZem/+oYfh1f/rU750cyeFCOsq00gaSxSU1kP 7jpswKM32FImxCLCBCUfJCVQqbqoVGPDTHQbcz/qEuOsQiDphQwTUcpw60AZxM1jNGUm 140w== X-Received: by 10.68.136.7 with SMTP id pw7mr29861474pbb.106.1380070946156; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from briankrusicw.logan.tv ([64.17.255.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fi4sm37865378pbc.28.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: aurfalien Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: calculating vfs.zfs.l2arc_write_max and vfs.zfs.l2arc_write_boost Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 18:02:24 -0700 Message-Id: <66DEAF99-59EF-45C9-925B-80CD5E1B1446@gmail.com> To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:02:26 -0000 Hi all, Curious, since I have 3xSSDs capable of 550MB/s each as my L2ARC, should = I add them up to roughly determine max and boost values? I couldn't find anything conclusive regarding this. Thanks in advance, - aurf =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 05:24:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D24F11D for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:24:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tyler@tsweet.net) Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5FF27DD for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id x12so5560439wgg.8 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=34pmVsKuvtnzoOWRxOr0szZH9PTDvmaOKIX73kyNh8Y=; b=f4ADE0wRaWt6lP00lCCnNg03l7SJ7SVEfdD7y2P7o7lGdwYhAfpErDhFs6jpj0NpKR 2keCY3R2ql3AKZRAQRCBrrqJ9DYSYUrpHr6I+Wss3431GuXuQeYarXh9bUWdTfxrS74R Y8GfpirKjYPkf3WzgtpKtvEEFM2hiOLQZHSNS5qL4++vLOR8Ub+TGJfgRT5iEWKVmV9L VMETDVgMT1VD0bGHZeCqvc/hywkYt8dnBCEQMmqrMRbILI6pbauZW3fhGt82pgJJpUeU nFkxIOsjfqBRHnraqhtQ/hiO5jU5/DCNfW/C4GPJTRwZVg4uaEPUOtt55smOyQH4Knj+ IOiw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn7baVOyJxvF+jv92rMJvT0299InkXo5LoF+wcJaqd/QcxDBKdcVNMORV9bpuMrjzL0mSN0 X-Received: by 10.180.90.19 with SMTP id bs19mr20911236wib.15.1380085184068; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:59:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.12.194 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:59:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [67.212.118.60] From: Tyler Sweet Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:59:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD 8.4 Boot failure To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 05:24:02 -0000 Hello all, Not sure if this is the correct list. I've run into a problem with one of my servers where it no longer boots. It uses GPT and ZFS for root. Recently, I did an upgrade from 8.2 up to 8.4. That went fine, and I rebooted a few times after that to finish installing updates. During those reboots, I also updated ZFS to the most recent version to take advantage of dedupe and the new compression algorithm. The server has two zpools, zroot which has the system on it, and data, which has everything else (except /usr/home, which is on zroot). I followed this guide a long, long time ago: https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/RAIDZ1 While deleting several large files, the system stopped responding to SSH/HTTP/everything except ping. Thinking it was just taking a long time to finish, I let it sit for about a day. When it didn't recover, I had to do a hard power-off, as it wasn't accepting key strokes at the console. When it boots back up, it gets past POST and then goes to a black screen with just a spinner in the upper left-hand corner. No text, no logo, nothing else. The spinner used to spin around a few times, now it does nothing. I've managed to get boot zpools loaded up in the fixit console, they don't show any errors. I tried reinstalling the boot blocks from both the fixit live filesystem and also mounting zroot and using the files there in case they were different. Neither one seems to change anything. I've let it sit at the (mostly) blank screen for two hours with no change. I'm at the end of my wits, and haven't been able to find any information as to what could be causing this. There are no error messages at the console, and the only output is that frozen spinner. >From what I remember, I didn't change anything on the zroot zpool during the upgrade, only the data zpool to enable the new compression and dedupe on a couple file systems where they would be useful. I've checked /boot/loader.conf and /etc/fstab, and neither one has changed since it was last working. My only though is if the zroot zpool was borked somehow, but it still loads up without any issue in the fixit console (Though I had to use the -f flag on both zpools when I first loaded them, as they were "still in use" from when the server crashed). All the disks appear to be fine. The server still boots from USB and CD without throwing any errors. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the problem could be, or how I could troubleshoot this Further? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 06:45:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD8A25B for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:130:84c1::deaf:babe]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F05A72B95 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.130.11.108] (cm-84.210.76.250.getinternet.no [84.210.76.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADC042E408; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:45:20 +0200 (CEST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Terje Elde Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.4 Boot failure Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:45:17 +0200 To: Tyler Sweet Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 06:45:31 -0000 On 25. sep. 2013, at 06:59, Tyler Sweet wrote: > I tried reinstalling the boot blocks from both > the fixit live filesystem and also mounting zroot and using the files > there in case they were different. Disclaimer: I haven't gotten (enough) morning-coffee yet, but... Disclaimer 2: at times tracking how zfs-booting is done in the different ver= sions can be a bit tricky. This is a moving target, and I've lost track of t= he 8-branch.=20 That said, assuming you have the correct bootcode (gptzfsboot), here's what m= ight have happened: You installed 8.2, with a loader supporting zfs. Then you upgraded your /boo= t-stuffs, and bootcode on disk (correctly), but got left with a loader witho= ut zfs support. Then tried to upgrade the bootcode, but you're still left wi= th a loader not supporting zfs.=20 If I recall correctly, then the zfs-bootcode for 9+ will use "zfsloader" (su= pporting zfs and built by default), while earlier versions depend on "loader= " with zfs support (built without by default).=20 If that's the case, you could dump LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT into /etc/make.conf an= d rebuild/reinstall it, or install /boot/loader from the fixit (if it has zf= s support in 8.4).=20 That's my first thought at least... If that doesn't fix it (remember backup= s of any files you replace or upgrade), it'd be interesting to see the outpu= t of: ls -l /boot/*loader /boot/*boot On the /boot you're using. Anything that didn't get built or installed? Also, did you snapshot your zfs before upgrading? Could be a working /boot/l= oader there, which might be the easiest way to get the system up, before reb= uilding with ZFS-capable loader... if I'm right, which isn't a given (ref di= sclaimers).=20 Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 07:02:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236216C4 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:02:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=9731599b8=a@jenisch.at) Received: from mgaterz2.oekb.co.at (mgaterz2.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7452D2C7F for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at ([143.245.3.66]) by mgaterz2.oekb.co.at with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 25 Sep 2013 09:00:54 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (143.245.9.16) by internal-relay-exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at (143.245.3.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.318.4; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:00:54 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r8P70r4t003418; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:00:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id r8P70rxW003415; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:00:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:00:53 +0200 From: Ewald Jenisch To: Subject: New system - go for 9.1+upgrade - or go for 9.2-RC4? Message-ID: <20130925070053.GA1476@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:02:07 -0000 Hi, Since I'm about to set up a new system from scratch I'm thinking whether I should install 9.1 and upgrade it to 9-STABLE or to install 9.2-RC4 right away. To be specific: o) Will upgrading kernel/system using svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/9/ /usr/src bring a 9.2-RC4 installed system up to date once 9.2 final is released? o) Is it possible to install ports using "portsnap fetch extract" and "pkg_add -r..." on a system that was installed using the 9.2-RC4-CDs? Thanks much in advance for your help, -ewald From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 07:16:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A078D4 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:16:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [78.46.162.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B21482D09 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.130.10.194] (cm-84.210.76.250.getinternet.no [84.210.76.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 462972E408; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:16:03 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: New system - go for 9.1+upgrade - or go for 9.2-RC4? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Terje Elde In-Reply-To: <20130925070053.GA1476@aurora.oekb.co.at> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:16:01 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130925070053.GA1476@aurora.oekb.co.at> To: Ewald Jenisch X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:16:06 -0000 On 25. sep. 2013, at 09.00, Ewald Jenisch wrote: o) Will upgrading kernel/system using > svn co svn://svn.freebsd.org/base/stable/9/ /usr/src > bring a 9.2-RC4 installed system up to date once 9.2 final is = released? Two options: base/stable/9 - track 9-STABLE base/releng/9.2 - track 9.2-security branch The former is more of a moving target, while the latter is 9.2-RELEASE, = but gets security updates. Also, rather than using svn://, I'd use https://, and pick a server from = this list: = http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/svn-mirrors.html= Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 08:34:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1CCD11 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sreeramabs@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-x22c.google.com (mail-ve0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 520242227 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f172.google.com with SMTP id oz11so4506929veb.3 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:34:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jevCGClIIl2nMdbcuybbGFDgEMMVJTnb+GEZuptQllY=; b=hfLgFTFAl/fwhh/VKrlVs/BIh2xPkmEI2c88wegJQPf7sQe/xSdJYoVBA2Rec9uYGO zmbJHRQS+cYWJvKTpyQJyxApcylUYwh8OFAcUNAczu/k0b4EqT0G4hb5DS5P60WAwCe1 Qn4hCYowKa6tVlgggmRLf9260Yt/a16/8XIQ5BMrGo2mRaRQJRzvdn5jpXcMu71phrBy ZXGziTcSH4Kp9E+BqfJ9dE2JvWVRKqjue5Nqg0eD9zcxd0XKD4kr6jr+1PK828J6xtk8 i04Y9ffWgdykiveVmRz4HwmNOTjgYq/ldBdQ+I1oD1qRXmP5mzg/au2cJwQDJp9V2cBH nifw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.91.16 with SMTP id k16mr11499870vcm.21.1380098043498; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.23.33 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:04:03 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Files in /tmp directory - Is there any timelimit ? From: Sreeram BS To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:34:04 -0000 Hi, I am using FreeBSD 9. I would like to know as to what is the lifetime of the files in /tmp directory. The general description says that these files *may* not be preserved across a reboot. By this I interpret that if the system is not rebooted, then these files will be there forever. But, just wanted a confirmation to see if there is any lifespan (expiry-time) attached with these files (ie the system would flush these files after some days/months etc automatically). Please inform. Regards, Sreeram From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 08:39:22 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91297E19 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qa0-x234.google.com (mail-qa0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c00::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 535C42263 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f52.google.com with SMTP id k4so3221562qaq.4 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:39:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=9/2DkWZWezMXBxMDfwltOfbtLhcHI9B5PCqeW9OOQrc=; b=mSv+AvS3fa8xNIlyRBpuK98OxCGK0ARrlveaOfD7l4hwck1oXaWrP6dDApM/dCR6TO PwACaV2WgjZxwIHx/fmqohf3FT/ENsYG9+6H2NEgO/sE5GfyEdsSxFYTuMf23cUviHXa my+fmxy9m7KiL7vrN2VTzHryGv5Wr6DrwX0D9ON1LOCh4I0K3BMJzYrv0jZwrqBGi+rP TI6lMB9x/tDlXW+/tMQsL77kDr2/Jwc4ubCLEqeOskiYE4GzzZzyZBOHOHss10XJBBEE QQ6kWy0csDGTyHYKEHR3+UgEY2KwB0Na+zPiubleOvpKstlaDneYkHyZGS/DY25D3JM0 axPw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.13.207 with SMTP id d15mr396424qaa.110.1380098361434; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Sender: olivier2553@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.86.234 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:39:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:39:21 +0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: v2Cx_Mw3qLOtoecsNnk99DAa4yE Message-ID: Subject: Re: Files in /tmp directory - Is there any timelimit ? From: Olivier Nicole To: Sreeram BS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:39:22 -0000 Hi Sreeram, > I am using FreeBSD 9. I would like to know as to what is the lifetime of > the files in /tmp directory. The general description says that these files > *may* not be preserved across a reboot. By this I interpret that if the > system is not rebooted, then these files will be there forever. But, just > wanted a confirmation to see if there is any lifespan (expiry-time) > attached with these files (ie the system would flush these files after some > days/months etc automatically). No. Applications should be responsible for cleaning their temporary files. Bests, Olivier > > Please inform. > > Regards, > Sreeram > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 08:54:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D97B31CC for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:54:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tyler@tsweet.net) Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com (mail-wg0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75D5C236A for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id x12so5931968wgg.32 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gLt97982Kgq4LoeK2wuvX5TwtQsghHjj+XSDVNSfY0E=; b=C8ciXtND9hpsgHcMzWtZKfgD89TkPvIFpLe7mS1Nv3MkvxP5meX0+mHvFkIgMONEJb 4/bfSZwotMkSM8qBMVuoLtoUOcK56O4SQBPJQ0jo9SzrW8Ys0wPG9gODksO3Zx1scQfg oPZw0K0LDFLmdd8N0ecNb8C5Txpgo+gdTl2khvwRfXIQgSgjiTf5ny5oxSzLaKnLIIbd k/XUFikaX0m1ddBkBxbGscZdsbw974jm3AajtAigGGOxPR/TKBkqbEMxKWzFI8Y1927h jB35v88bFniCmMC57KCzB7k0x2zMmBylGTWVdqimzSqys+yjUt9P2Vcp+XZKC9ckAy2n Hovg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlaK6i4OkwJaRNYzz251QYQDdhB759c9lpNaWyyc6fvOEtvg0Py52emc8UWuOzFXBckE0oX X-Received: by 10.194.11.67 with SMTP id o3mr26771712wjb.0.1380098851681; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:47:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.12.194 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:46:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [67.212.118.60] In-Reply-To: References: From: Tyler Sweet Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 03:46:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.4 Boot failure To: Terje Elde Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:54:51 -0000 Luckily, in this case, I had set a cron job long, long ago to do daily snapshots. So I have a snapshot from before the upgrade - There are indeed two different loaders. The newer one matches "zfs" when grepped, the older one does not... But, since it was working before, I restored the older loader and tried to boot again. No dice - it still sticks at that screen where all I see is "/" in the upper left. I also tried putting the older zfsboot and zfsloader back in place (with the old loader) to try and get a different error - still no dice. I'm still stuck wondering if that screen is from FreeBSD attempting to boot, or from the BIOS - but nothing changed for booting, as far as I know. I'll poke through the BIOS more tomorrow as well to see if some option got reset during a power-off. I'll get a more thorough look at what all changed in /boot tomorrow too, and get a list of all the files. It's almost 4am here and I have to work tomorrow :) (well, today I suppose). I'll also check to see if I can find anything about if zfs boot works differently in 8.4 vs 8.3 and older, as I may not have rebooted after the final "freebsd-update install" command (I *think* I did, but my memory gets fuzzy). Thanks for the input! I hope you have a good morning, and I'll let you know tomorrow/later today with anything new and interesting I find :) On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Terje Elde wrote: > On 25. sep. 2013, at 06:59, Tyler Sweet wrote: >> I tried reinstalling the boot blocks from both >> the fixit live filesystem and also mounting zroot and using the files >> there in case they were different. > > Disclaimer: I haven't gotten (enough) morning-coffee yet, but... > > Disclaimer 2: at times tracking how zfs-booting is done in the different = versions can be a bit tricky. This is a moving target, and I've lost track = of the 8-branch. > > That said, assuming you have the correct bootcode (gptzfsboot), here's wh= at might have happened: > > You installed 8.2, with a loader supporting zfs. Then you upgraded your /= boot-stuffs, and bootcode on disk (correctly), but got left with a loader w= ithout zfs support. Then tried to upgrade the bootcode, but you're still le= ft with a loader not supporting zfs. > > If I recall correctly, then the zfs-bootcode for 9+ will use "zfsloader" = (supporting zfs and built by default), while earlier versions depend on "lo= ader" with zfs support (built without by default). > > If that's the case, you could dump LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT into /etc/make.conf= and rebuild/reinstall it, or install /boot/loader from the fixit (if it ha= s zfs support in 8.4). > > That's my first thought at least... If that doesn't fix it (remember bac= kups of any files you replace or upgrade), it'd be interesting to see the o= utput of: > ls -l /boot/*loader /boot/*boot > On the /boot you're using. Anything that didn't get built or installed? > > Also, did you snapshot your zfs before upgrading? Could be a working /boo= t/loader there, which might be the easiest way to get the system up, before= rebuilding with ZFS-capable loader... if I'm right, which isn't a given (r= ef disclaimers). > > Terje > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 08:59:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD7D310 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x234.google.com (mail-lb0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::234]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4554223A7 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f180.google.com with SMTP id q8so4842349lbi.11 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:59:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1bUoeCiqIpQIj8cL6JgXh+eyfeq5ALE4CWJT476mOJ0=; b=D6zMB4cpwRAO9e07swRrP1TDY6XPxIqUJRYYEP2iHNQQgzEL3KIc2EcIpr9wWIau7U DWo6W1p/wbu7C09bVR64Bv30Mr6SjT3PgulU6HrUUie98OON7Vbhnn+4OWCU3j80YMX6 /O8UHXrOZcSH5k0nQPNh5Of/hHMuFMGAJ8jAQyOKFm8bjH/KEyuk3KjJg0dxD/I5Qd57 ajrVp4Hc4SNcsrj/PK80T+mJD0/oCLYRxNBaWmLagcz4BhgSGoZqkVAR8DIfhGHM5RPv 1atyCiv6edtcelaMUlTNz6wwCuDT1kf7FWgScD72XtY07LpeYTd03S1MSiO8XFBvy3lG uwMw== X-Received: by 10.152.120.37 with SMTP id kz5mr28939303lab.21.1380099564336; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.130] (mau.donbass.com. [92.242.127.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k6sm20125402lae.9.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 25 Sep 2013 01:59:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5242A5E7.5070908@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:59:19 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sreeram BS , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Files in /tmp directory - Is there any timelimit ? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 08:59:26 -0000 25.09.2013 11:34, Sreeram BS wrote: > Hi, > I am using FreeBSD 9. I would like to know as to what is the lifetime of > the files in /tmp directory. The general description says that these files > *may* not be preserved across a reboot. By this I interpret that if the > system is not rebooted, then these files will be there forever. But, just > wanted a confirmation to see if there is any lifespan (expiry-time) > attached with these files (ie the system would flush these files after some > days/months etc automatically). Not by default. There's a clean-tmps periodic task which can be enabled @/etc/periodic.conf. It defaults to three days. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 09:05:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639D44E3 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sreeramabs@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ve0-x231.google.com (mail-ve0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c01::231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23E962431 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ve0-f177.google.com with SMTP id db12so4316809veb.8 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 02:05:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=q0U3VsIuadO5CT3/AyuYjPwvSQ2GMvGJPXJ+apjv6QA=; b=MpSegmFMcovfIRiZxOPupj35S3FiWj4wCkVx8L1ot3+trplTLx3hBgzfefDcmr1GQo q1sUZo9otXMdXVswda8wJpHu2GCFzMvjLHc5pGPwfzFv2zs8YjgoalRcMBFT8o3VESJN Jl2vwr3dJf3YN51TSRM3pa5JJxgyso7IAznmwfNwDVHff089OBVoaMP5LP9sshlohGmo wsN/QzrbOijS/8VMxyWGTVdX4lJXaJDZd7LA9lyfTZ7VA4h2o6kfPG3TSx+E0R+178rD ymYWd7I41GPtNnzfnwbnMUaybnM8May2vYHYyFlwM+GqdsHaXmM7G3tmVq1jJ+fLYTcs ZNUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.108.230 with SMTP id hn6mr9277573vdb.28.1380099933288; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 02:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.23.33 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 02:05:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5242A5E7.5070908@gmail.com> References: <5242A5E7.5070908@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:35:33 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Files in /tmp directory - Is there any timelimit ? From: Sreeram BS To: Volodymyr Kostyrko Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:05:34 -0000 Does this auto-cleanup apply to files in /var/tmp directory also. The generic description says that the files in this directory can stay across reboots. So, does this survive auto-cleanup too? regards, Sreeram On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > 25.09.2013 11:34, Sreeram BS wrote: > >> Hi, >> I am using FreeBSD 9. I would like to know as to what is the lifetime >> of >> the files in /tmp directory. The general description says that these files >> *may* not be preserved across a reboot. By this I interpret that if the >> system is not rebooted, then these files will be there forever. But, just >> wanted a confirmation to see if there is any lifespan (expiry-time) >> attached with these files (ie the system would flush these files after >> some >> days/months etc automatically). >> > > Not by default. There's a clean-tmps periodic task which can be enabled > @/etc/periodic.conf. It defaults to three days. > > -- > Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 09:24:00 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8DAA35 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22CC82578 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (mux.fjl.org.uk [62.3.120.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8P9NpSw034944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:23:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <5242ABA9.9080502@fjl.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:23:53 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Files in /tmp directory - Is there any timelimit ? References: <5242A5E7.5070908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:24:00 -0000 On 25/09/2013 10:05, Sreeram BS wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Volodymyr Kostyrko wrote: > >> 25.09.2013 11:34, Sreeram BS wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I am using FreeBSD 9. I would like to know as to what is the lifetime >>> of >>> the files in /tmp directory. The general description says that these files >>> *may* not be preserved across a reboot. By this I interpret that if the >>> system is not rebooted, then these files will be there forever. But, just >>> wanted a confirmation to see if there is any lifespan (expiry-time) >>> attached with these files (ie the system would flush these files after >>> some >>> days/months etc automatically). >>> >> Not by default. There's a clean-tmps periodic task which can be enabled >> @/etc/periodic.conf. It defaults to three days. >> >> -- >> Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. >> > Does this auto-cleanup apply to files in /var/tmp directory also. > The generic description says that the files in this directory can stay > across reboots. So, does this survive auto-cleanup too? > > regards, > Sreeram The default is to clean up /tmp only, but this can be changed in periodic.conf If you're struggling with this, note that a default periodic.conf is in /etc/defaults and it's individual values can be over-ridden by /etc/periodic.conf IF IT EXISTS. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 09:46:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127D71E4 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:46:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=9731599b8=a@jenisch.at) Received: from mgaterz2.oekb.co.at (mgaterz2.oekb.co.at [143.245.5.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5150426EE for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at ([143.245.3.66]) by mgaterz2.oekb.co.at with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 25 Sep 2013 11:46:09 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (143.245.9.16) by internal-relay-exchhubcas2.oekb.co.at (143.245.3.65) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.2.318.4; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:46:09 +0200 Received: from aurora.oekb.co.at (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r8P9k9h9003923; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:46:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) Received: (from ej@localhost) by aurora.oekb.co.at (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id r8P9k99Q003922; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:46:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from a@jenisch.at) X-Authentication-Warning: aurora.oekb.co.at: ej set sender to a@jenisch.at using -f Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:46:09 +0200 From: Ewald Jenisch To: Terje Elde Subject: Re: New system - go for 9.1+upgrade - or go for 9.2-RC4? Message-ID: <20130925094609.GB1476@aurora.oekb.co.at> References: <20130925070053.GA1476@aurora.oekb.co.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:46:13 -0000 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 09:16:01AM +0200, Terje Elde wrote: > > Two options: > ... 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Creating bzip'd tar ball in '/usr/ports/packages/All/fusefs-libs-2.9.3_1.tb= z' tar: share/doc/fusefs/libs/how-fuse-works: Cannot stat: No such file or di= rectory tar: share/doc/fusefs/libs/kernel.txt: Cannot stat: No such file or direct= ory tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256 *** [do-package] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-libs. *** [install] Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-libs. root@squid:/usr/ports/sysutils/fusefs-libs# What's up with this? ~Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 20:34:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D33C537 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:34:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces+612829-b51e-questions=freebsd.org@sendgrid.info) Received: from o2.bn.sendgrid.net (o2.bn.sendgrid.net [208.115.214.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7968222B for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:34:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=sendgrid.me; h=from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpapi; bh=JypzXGIZYGPajF XVbSO9Mj8/rhA=; b=BiEnFUk2JKVPehHhFJe0SHexmlIv/GTFgDc7aLIYOYla5a 3wtz15s9b4ALp9VlJ8B5bKmfr0j1zhMnp2Da4p2QxFBljxJ1syuSVWosYwpz30lt 9oE7xgnclxqdgzdJ72TToCMzT6D7p5vWvPhy49KVPfSXnnvTeNJkFJq7HUEKI= Received: by filter-165.sjc1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter-165.3184.524348B38 Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:33:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from (ool-44c5bd3a.dyn.optonline.net [68.197.189.58]) by ismtpd-007 (SG) with ESMTP id 14156d3fe61.7ca3.7e453a for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 20:33:55 +0000 (UTC) From: TheUrbanShopper To: Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:33:53 -0400 Subject: IN THIS ISSUE: urbanShoppe is Coming! 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--_1_.__.__TOL__Mailer__Part_Boundary_-- --_0_.__.__TOL__Mailer__Part_Boundary_-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 21:29:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB4D66C for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.192.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B5A25F8 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa06-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VZTc1m00N4XeM0101ZTcHu; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:27:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:27:41 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: minor vi/vim qstn Message-ID: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:29:20 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. folks, am I misremembering this feature, or didnt vi have a syntax where you typed something like: % vi[#] or % vi [-2] [or vi [-N] to repeat the last or the second from last command? with my shoulder sore bloody sore I need to save every key stroke. TIA, y'all, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 21:36:43 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D428789A for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:36:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9471C266E for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOwlE-0004Cw-I6 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:36:40 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:36:40 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:36:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Problems with 9.2-RC3 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 34 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 21:36:43 -0000 Running 9.2-RC4 in a VirtualBox VM, I am having a few problems. FreeBSD freebsd.vm 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #1 r254965: Wed Aug 28 04:17:40 BST 2013 root@freebsd.vm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VM4 amd64 At this stage I am reluctant to file PRs, as doubtless some of these are of my own making. The first is that I cannot get port devel/xdg-utils to install. The error is: ===> Installing for xdg-utils-1.0.2.20130919 ===> Registering installation for xdg-utils-1.0.2.20130919 pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- desktop-icon.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- desktop-menu.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- email.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- icon-resource.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- mime.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- open.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- screensaver.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- settings.1): No such file or directory *** [fake-pkg] Error code 74 What have I done wrong? It seems fine on 9.1 and 10.0. Other issues will follow as separate threads. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 22:23:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D84474 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:23:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2610B2935 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:23:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DA4A27711; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r8PMNR47005407; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:23:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:23:27 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-Id: <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:23:42 -0000 On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:27:41 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > am I misremembering this feature, or didnt vi have a syntax where > you typed something like: > > % vi[#] or % vi [-2] [or vi [-N] > > to repeat the last or the second from last command? with my > shoulder sore bloody sore I need to save every key stroke. To repeat the last command, "." can be used. The vi editor (and probably vim and gvim) supports according to "man vi": [Vi]i[sual][!] [+cmd] [file] Vi mode only. Edit a new file. Is this what you're searching for? Or do you refer to command lines where "@:" would repeat the last command (started with ":")? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 25 22:46:54 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0F8813 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:46:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7002A5B for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:46:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOxr9-00041F-Hg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:46:51 +0200 Received: from dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca ([129.173.34.203]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:46:51 +0200 Received: from jrm by dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:46:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Joseph Mingrone Subject: Re: Problems with 9.2-RC3 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:46:39 -0300 Lines: 41 Message-ID: <86d2nwcyeo.fsf@gly.ath.cx> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: dynamic34-29.dynamic.dal.ca User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:LNyEe3gKX333f4S1cPzuNtUYE+s= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 22:46:54 -0000 Walter Hurry writes: > Running 9.2-RC4 in a VirtualBox VM, I am having a few problems. > > FreeBSD freebsd.vm 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #1 r254965: Wed Aug 28 > 04:17:40 BST 2013 root@freebsd.vm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VM4 amd64 > > At this stage I am reluctant to file PRs, as doubtless some of these are > of my own making. > > The first is that I cannot get port devel/xdg-utils to install. The error > is: > > ===> Installing for xdg-utils-1.0.2.20130919 > ===> Registering installation for xdg-utils-1.0.2.20130919 > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > desktop-icon.1): No such file or directory > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > desktop-menu.1): No such file or directory > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > email.1): No such file or directory > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > icon-resource.1): No such file or directory > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > mime.1): No such file or directory > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > open.1): No such file or directory > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > screensaver.1): No such file or directory > pkg-static: lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- > settings.1): No such file or directory > *** [fake-pkg] Error code 74 > > What have I done wrong? It seems fine on 9.1 and 10.0. > There were some staging problems with ports. Update your ports tree then upgrade ports-mgmt/pkg and the problem should resolve itself. Joseph From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 00:22:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24278C7 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:22:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A290E2F49 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VcLz1m00M4XeM0101cLzgo; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:21:01 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:21:04 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-ID: <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:22:37 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:23:27AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:27:41 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > am I misremembering this feature, or didnt vi have a syntax where > > you typed something like: > > > > % vi[#] or % vi [-2] [or vi [-N] > > > > to repeat the last or the second from last command? with my > > shoulder sore bloody sore I need to save every key stroke. > > To repeat the last command, "." can be used. > > The vi editor (and probably vim and gvim) supports > according to "man vi": > > [Vi]i[sual][!] [+cmd] [file] > Vi mode only. Edit a new file. > > Is this what you're searching for? I THOGoHT it was "!", but lookit: pts/14 17:11 [5010] vi sent pts/14 17:11 [5011] vi! zsh: command not found: vi! pts/14 17:12 [5012] ....... this is vi == vim. AHA:: found it. it's [bang] pts/14 17:17 [5016] vi sent pts/14 17:17 [5017] !v I'll tell ya, if vi disappeared , I'd end it all! tx. gary > Or do you refer to command lines where "@:" would repeat the -N T- 34/41: P> last command (started with ":")? > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 01:06:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5EC2E89 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 01:06:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABF3C215D for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 01:06:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 525F827844; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:06:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r8Q160wc007121; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:06:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 03:06:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-Id: <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 01:06:10 -0000 On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:21:04 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. > Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:23:27AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:27:41 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > am I misremembering this feature, or didnt vi have a syntax where > > > you typed something like: > > > > > > % vi[#] or % vi [-2] [or vi [-N] > > > > > > to repeat the last or the second from last command? with my > > > shoulder sore bloody sore I need to save every key stroke. > > > > To repeat the last command, "." can be used. > > > > The vi editor (and probably vim and gvim) supports > > according to "man vi": > > > > [Vi]i[sual][!] [+cmd] [file] > > Vi mode only. Edit a new file. > > > > Is this what you're searching for? > > > I THOGoHT it was "!", but lookit: > > > pts/14 17:11 [5010] vi sent > pts/14 17:11 [5011] vi! > zsh: command not found: vi! > pts/14 17:12 [5012] > > ....... this is vi == vim. > > AHA:: found it. it's [bang] > > > pts/14 17:17 [5016] vi sent > pts/14 17:17 [5017] !v > > > I'll tell ya, if vi disappeared , I'd end it all! Ah, I see - you've been refering to repeating a _shell_ command (so the question was regarding the shell, which in your case is Z shell). You can probably use (like in the C shell) the arrow keys to browse the command history. Similarly, you can use the "!" command refering to the command number obtained by the "history" command. There's a handy alias defined globally for the C shell: "h" which means "history 25" (lists the last 25 commands), handy in regards of saving keystrokes. :-) I assume the zsh is also capable of "filtered history": For example, you enter "vi s" and use the up and down arrow keys to browse all commands that have been entered starting with "vi s" (for example "vi sent", "vi stuff" and so on). If the system's csh can do this, zsh should also provide this useful feature. And as your prompt "pts/14 17:12 [5012]" suggests, the command number is being shown. If this information is the same as the command number in the history, entering "!5010" would execute the 2nd from last command. To repeat the last command, whatever it has been, "!!" can be used. Again, this works in csh, so I can't predict if it will work in zsh too, but I _assume_ it does. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 02:47:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C257D1FA for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 02:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A295A26E8 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 02:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by m1plsmtpa01-06.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id Ven31m0074XeM0101en3jA; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:47:04 -0700 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:47:08 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-ID: <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 02:47:11 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:06:00AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 17:21:04 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. > > Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. > > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:23:27AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 14:27:41 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > > > am I misremembering this feature, or didnt vi have a syntax where > > > > you typed something like: > > > > > > > > % vi[#] or % vi [-2] [or vi [-N] > > > > > > > > to repeat the last or the second from last command? with my > > > > shoulder sore bloody sore I need to save every key stroke. > > > > > > To repeat the last command, "." can be used. > > > > > > The vi editor (and probably vim and gvim) supports > > > according to "man vi": > > > > > > [Vi]i[sual][!] [+cmd] [file] > > > Vi mode only. Edit a new file. > > > > > > Is this what you're searching for? > > > > > > I THOGoHT it was "!", but lookit: > > > > > > pts/14 17:11 [5010] vi sent > > pts/14 17:11 [5011] vi! > > zsh: command not found: vi! > > pts/14 17:12 [5012] > > > > ....... this is vi == vim. > > > > AHA:: found it. it's [bang] > > > > > > pts/14 17:17 [5016] vi sent > > pts/14 17:17 [5017] !v > > > > > > I'll tell ya, if vi disappeared , I'd end it all! > > Ah, I see - you've been refering to repeating a _shell_ > command (so the question was regarding the shell, which > in your case is Z shell). > > You can probably use (like in the C shell) the arrow keys > to browse the command history. Similarly, you can use the > "!" command refering to the command number obtained > by the "history" command. There's a handy alias defined > globally for the C shell: "h" which means "history 25" > (lists the last 25 commands), handy in regards of saving > keystrokes. :-) > > I assume the zsh is also capable of "filtered history": > For example, you enter "vi s" and use the up and down > arrow keys to browse all commands that have been entered > starting with "vi s" (for example "vi sent", "vi stuff" > and so on). If the system's csh can do this, zsh should > also provide this useful feature. > > And as your prompt "pts/14 17:12 [5012]" suggests, > the command number is being shown. If this information > is the same as the command number in the history, entering > "!5010" would execute the 2nd from last command. > > To repeat the last command, whatever it has been, "!!" > can be used. Again, this works in csh, so I can't predict > if it will work in zsh too, but I _assume_ it does. > dunno how you know im using the zsh, but yup. with the bang stuff if you do a % !-3 you go back three vi cmds. !-N, N cmds. thankfully there are shortcuts! gary ps: zsh is sort of a ksh clone; I remember porting the zsh onto my 286 in 1989. got a lot of csh-isms :) -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 04:03:42 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5CDDC6 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C17FC29D0 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VP2ni-0001Rk-Hj for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:03:38 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:03:38 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:03:38 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Re: Problems with 9.2-RC3 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: <86d2nwcyeo.fsf@gly.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 04:03:42 -0000 On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:46:39 -0300, Joseph Mingrone wrote: > Walter Hurry writes: > >> Running 9.2-RC4 in a VirtualBox VM, I am having a few problems. >> >> FreeBSD freebsd.vm 9.2-RC3 FreeBSD 9.2-RC3 #1 r254965: Wed Aug 28 >> 04:17:40 BST 2013 root@freebsd.vm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/VM4 amd64 >> >> At this stage I am reluctant to file PRs, as doubtless some of these >> are of my own making. >> >> The first is that I cannot get port devel/xdg-utils to install. The >> error is: >> >> ===> Installing for xdg-utils-1.0.2.20130919 ===> Registering >> installation for xdg-utils-1.0.2.20130919 pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- >> desktop-icon.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- >> desktop-menu.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- email.1): No >> such file or directory pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- >> icon-resource.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- mime.1): No >> such file or directory pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- open.1): No >> such file or directory pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- >> screensaver.1): No such file or directory pkg-static: >> lstat(/usr/ports/devel/xdg-utils/work/stage/usr/local/xdg- settings.1): >> No such file or directory *** [fake-pkg] Error code 74 >> >> What have I done wrong? It seems fine on 9.1 and 10.0. >> >> > There were some staging problems with ports. Update your ports tree > then upgrade ports-mgmt/pkg and the problem should resolve itself. Thanks! I cleared down the ports tree, did a fresh 'portsnap fetch extract', and all is now well in this regard. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 06:30:12 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB15F31 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:30:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talayeh.asadi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x230.google.com (mail-ie0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DAB62F71 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id as1so812281iec.35 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:30:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=yF65/0qBke+fuAPZGf3tWckkIo/N1IJ3/oNRh8DdKPw=; b=HiGQ+DXE7Xp/3GY83IFv4G1YmM0WkWPxKYDpwJVGMG8hcUqH7PGLuh5EEwU4ZzMuDc Fv7VvIR1wNdvqUzKKHIM5zyq1mqw1dR9L/ubrSjPDZo1pUhAe/6Ns1Q6xZQyyNRzkl7X WzYQKA+HUbejB09RNdEfBTe4AMssizO+MCPsCVBbGem/aLlv14qXuNwljA48xJa0jqsz lON0IPEqVTjrvj1ZXMy1sRh55VOAy7I7iv6SJA2I9HC2krQ03laY8WI7hr4ve+mWPxXo +7ghuEE+VPZ5xquYdDaUqgIKF/Ink55Hfpz7uLTFV3iyiGldeSLB6qu3VgA9qHundgOd rHjg== X-Received: by 10.42.89.134 with SMTP id g6mr33362818icm.8.1380177011575; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:30:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: talayeh.asadi@gmail.com Received: by 10.42.153.8 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: takCoder Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:59:51 +0330 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MtWWYdqnjHsq2b2Pxagq0NHC8As Message-ID: Subject: which performance test tool to use? To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tak.official@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 06:30:12 -0000 Hi everyone, I need and am trying to find a way to run reliable performance tests on my Network nodes. I am looking for proper BSD-Based tools, which give me information about my systems' throughput, latency, packet-drop and alike in the performance test family... Would you please share your experiences with me? It would be really kind of you t do so; Thank you all in advance. Best Regards, takCoder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 07:05:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 977C4EFE for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tyler@tsweet.net) Received: from mail-wi0-f169.google.com (mail-wi0-f169.google.com [209.85.212.169]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BDA021B7 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hj3so6299558wib.2 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 00:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cK8GuNzfmhQ1KXOQQk+Tn5GPflbTA4y+xGjOEHQ1/9k=; b=dAM1lXFig8UEVQ9IY4QzkckxjIKQa0NirfFOTsT7J68AXqLzb3Y4v0x4HsmgxwZijH 4rSRM8WvNegmFgqQQhAB8CpSCP4G8Ighe7Q6j/IwmWOF6LBR4DNwQCS9VOPPnNYWvP+z 7e0PaFWz1hJiuDk6tZUvIirwJLH8+DtWV/yNL4AihjxoRUmOm650SnypFLE7bDLv+o6Z NdLN8FUDly3y/V1Sw4mpt4bhz2/TholdFiFRanLFipwYaszlAbCc6sCMY2HMokPNveJ7 NPQIoAZtIyOLN7pW3ZonzIOsSrjZQBtHZKDkr83LmDNorQnd6nkM/xB7HiFOhtJe5zIz KEXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlPvn7ScaAX8nSm2kwQS1aS1Py21cx7M4QZEUqFAuO5zjf+4OmsUedz3/B409CPRzLGm9zW X-Received: by 10.194.21.131 with SMTP id v3mr904901wje.44.1380178768960; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:59:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.12.194 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 23:58:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [67.212.118.60] In-Reply-To: References: From: Tyler Sweet Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 01:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 8.4 Boot failure To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 07:05:34 -0000 Well, I wasn't able to continue troubleshooting. I took the opportunity that the server was already down to upgrade the BIOS. HP kindly does not provide any checks or warnings letting you know that you need to do a stepped upgrade, so the server is bricked. *sigh*. So this likely won't get investigated more. I'll be setting up a new server and attempting to import the zpools there. Thank for your advice anyhow! If this happens again on another server, I'll see about trying more things. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Tyler Sweet wrote: > Luckily, in this case, I had set a cron job long, long ago to do daily > snapshots. So I have a snapshot from before the upgrade - There are > indeed two different loaders. The newer one matches "zfs" when > grepped, the older one does not... But, since it was working before, I > restored the older loader and tried to boot again. No dice - it still > sticks at that screen where all I see is "/" in the upper left. > > I also tried putting the older zfsboot and zfsloader back in place > (with the old loader) to try and get a different error - still no > dice. I'm still stuck wondering if that screen is from FreeBSD > attempting to boot, or from the BIOS - but nothing changed for > booting, as far as I know. I'll poke through the BIOS more tomorrow as > well to see if some option got reset during a power-off. > > I'll get a more thorough look at what all changed in /boot tomorrow > too, and get a list of all the files. It's almost 4am here and I have > to work tomorrow :) (well, today I suppose). I'll also check to see if > I can find anything about if zfs boot works differently in 8.4 vs 8.3 > and older, as I may not have rebooted after the final "freebsd-update > install" command (I *think* I did, but my memory gets fuzzy). > > Thanks for the input! I hope you have a good morning, and I'll let you > know tomorrow/later today with anything new and interesting I find :) > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Terje Elde wrote: >> On 25. sep. 2013, at 06:59, Tyler Sweet wrote: >>> I tried reinstalling the boot blocks from both >>> the fixit live filesystem and also mounting zroot and using the files >>> there in case they were different. >> >> Disclaimer: I haven't gotten (enough) morning-coffee yet, but... >> >> Disclaimer 2: at times tracking how zfs-booting is done in the different= versions can be a bit tricky. This is a moving target, and I've lost track= of the 8-branch. >> >> That said, assuming you have the correct bootcode (gptzfsboot), here's w= hat might have happened: >> >> You installed 8.2, with a loader supporting zfs. Then you upgraded your = /boot-stuffs, and bootcode on disk (correctly), but got left with a loader = without zfs support. Then tried to upgrade the bootcode, but you're still l= eft with a loader not supporting zfs. >> >> If I recall correctly, then the zfs-bootcode for 9+ will use "zfsloader"= (supporting zfs and built by default), while earlier versions depend on "l= oader" with zfs support (built without by default). >> >> If that's the case, you could dump LOADER_ZFS_SUPPORT into /etc/make.con= f and rebuild/reinstall it, or install /boot/loader from the fixit (if it h= as zfs support in 8.4). >> >> That's my first thought at least... If that doesn't fix it (remember ba= ckups of any files you replace or upgrade), it'd be interesting to see the = output of: >> ls -l /boot/*loader /boot/*boot >> On the /boot you're using. Anything that didn't get built or installed? >> >> Also, did you snapshot your zfs before upgrading? Could be a working /bo= ot/loader there, which might be the easiest way to get the system up, befor= e rebuilding with ZFS-capable loader... if I'm right, which isn't a given (= ref disclaimers). >> >> Terje >> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 09:11:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D78E8D for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:11:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x230.google.com (mail-wg0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6CCC2ADC for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f48.google.com with SMTP id n12so832778wgh.15 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=kto48lUlNvdJD5W1Qr9OCBx7nQN88ZxlG3pLBwsvKVo=; b=PzMZOfxqp8h1ZyN6l9R53LoczzBmtQqOe/UTZLo4rAbla2UdPMc7/Dg2BhntCXbFu5 vVloRRpuFfVWr1iTTkoKLgzVFx0PVDwYIS8gbcJMJEEH6967vKeSwWRWS5C+tQyjftT/ tHuhtbHRhq582heUhGmnPS1dES2MmQot2a2cBaHWzBnVBcZ+9SMLIG4z8Xl4i1RDjp6l pYZvff4ZBQZoong5r3+POp0Br0KP+DWanKvTk2me1bOfpDWz/DoJJxdyfNvznKTt6XHS oa1D9yEHx/+I+HhBNXwrahgG0hXpJqSM64I48M8nKKA+cY48uitaVGYY9LiSV4m2NSsx cKsA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.10.136 with SMTP id i8mr26512089wib.46.1380186695195; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.73.133 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 02:11:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20130922141034.d98d472e42c784062d66651c@yahoo.es> References: <52388C9B.6030205@foxbatcapital.com> <20130919155327.115e7344@sarvision.nl> <20130920110535.42c984da@sarvision.nl> <20130922141034.d98d472e42c784062d66651c@yahoo.es> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 02:11:35 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: p1KSZuvNtuet4zcsZqnrzH8rizw Message-ID: Subject: Re: this 48-core box... From: Adrian Chadd To: Eduardo Morras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 09:11:37 -0000 The cache alignment happens because it hits a specific size threshold, and jemalloc/phkmalloc(I think!) just round everything up to be page size aligned. The underlying problem may actually be a code change to how the math is done. It just runs slower on page-aligned alignments.. adrian On 22 September 2013 05:10, Eduardo Morras wrote: > On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 12:53:36 -0700 > Adrian Chadd wrote: > > > .. just as a data point - there was a thread a while ago about numeric > > processing performance on linux vs bsd. > > > > It all boiled down to how jemalloc versus the linux allocator(s) allocate > > blocks. jemalloc will page align things after a certain size. Linux > didn't. > > So when doing numeric processing, there was a lot of cache aliasing going > > on leading to inefficient cache usage and redundant memory operations. > > > > When the same workload on Linux was run on FreeBSD but with the Linux > > library/allocators, the performance was identical. > > > > No-one followed through. I think I may have to write a blog post about > it. > > There's no MALLOC_OPTIONS flag to set/unset this, but adding a new flag to > disable a feature is easier (or should be) than implementing new one. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 13:32:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61FBB88 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:32:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 785C229F5 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:32:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27F2D3D734; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:26:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r8QDQTXh002090; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:26:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 15:26:29 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-Id: <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:32:19 -0000 On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:47:08 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > dunno how you know im using the zsh, but yup. This is because of my magical allknowinglyness. :-) You wrote: > > > pts/14 17:11 [5011] vi! > > > zsh: command not found: vi! ^^^ This gave me the impression you're using the Z shell. The C shell says: % vi! vi!: Command not found. And bash says: $ vi! bash: vi!: command not found So the shell that says "zsh" should be the Z shell, or a different shell that's just lying. :-) > with the bang stuff > if you do a > > % !-3 > > you go back three vi cmds. !-N, N cmds. Yes, this also works in C shell. You can use the "h" (or "history") builtin command to get an impression of content of the last commands submitted to the shell. At least in csh, % !-1 equals % !! and repeats the last command. You could use the following command to print the last 20 commands with the relative number (-1, -2, -3 and so on) printed infront of them: % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(cmds-i), $0); i++ }' It's probably a good idea to define an alias for that, like "h20" (history of last 20 commands). You could also use the zsh's equivalent of the "precmd" alias: It is a command that will be executed prior to displaying the shell prompt, so after you're done with a command, the last commands (maybe shortened to 10, just substitute the two appearances of the "20" to "10") will be displayed before the prompt appears; this will make it easier (and save keystrokes) to check the last commands and maybe repeat one. Downside: The command "pollutes" the list of commands with itself, so it should probably be grepped away. % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(cmds-i), $0); i++ }' | grep -v "history" It might be good to define a better exclusion pattern than just "history" because that might lead to false-positives. I'd suggest to rename the variables in the awk script to something unique and then grep for those instead... > thankfully there are shortcuts! And shell aliases. :-) > ps: zsh is sort of a ksh clone; I remember porting the zsh onto > my 286 in 1989. got a lot of csh-isms :) The Z shell combines nice interactive features of the C shell (to be correct: the tcsh) and the scripting features of sh and bash. It's considered one of the most powerful shells. So it's a wise move to use it, because it combines "the _good_ things of both worlds" (and not the bad things, as the csh is a terrible scripting shell, just as plain sh is an awful dialog shell). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 17:55:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7085BCF5 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@hotmail.com) Received: from blu0-omc4-s18.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc4-s18.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.157]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A942DAE for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU0-SMTP462 ([65.55.111.135]) by blu0-omc4-s18.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:54:37 -0700 X-TMN: [1imttJ1MC3NFC8yxCyqqkRdjrDro5hx/] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@hotmail.com] Message-ID: Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net ([76.182.104.150]) by BLU0-SMTP462.phx.gbl over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:54:36 -0700 Received: from scorpio (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: carmel_ny@seibercom.net) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3cm3gH1y2Wz2CG4F for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:54:34 -0400 From: Carmel To: FreeBSD Subject: Voice Mail required QuickTime X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.19; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.3) Face: 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 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2013 17:54:37.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[77360540:01CEBAE1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:55:44 -0000 I have a voice mail account with Time Warner Cable. I can access the account from my home telephone=2C Windows PC=2C etcetera=2C but not from my FreeBSD machine. This error message pops up when I try to play the recording on the web site: To play audio online=2C you must have QuickTime Player installed. How can I make this work from my FreeBSD machine? --=20 Carmel =E2=9C=8C carmel_ny@hotmail.com Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. __________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 18:58:45 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C556B35A for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:58:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A4F82302 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B211276F0 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:58:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r8QIwYtO003373 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:58:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:58:34 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Voice Mail required QuickTime Message-Id: <20130926205834.65baf2a9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 18:58:45 -0000 On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:54:34 -0400, Carmel wrote: > I have a voice mail account with Time Warner Cable. I can access the > account from my home telephone, Windows PC, etcetera, but not from my > FreeBSD machine. This error message pops up when I try to play the > recording on the web site: > > To play audio online, you must have QuickTime Player installed. > > How can I make this work from my FreeBSD machine? Without any experience with the service you've mentioned, I'd suggest using mplayer, because mplayer plays everything. As far as I know, there's also an mplayer plugin for web browsers (probably Firefox) that can be used to play QT content embedded in web pages. Note that this might involve recompiling mplayer with the proper options set, as QT is probably not part of the defaults. (By the way, it's strange that QT is used for this purpose, I would have assumed that the codec of choice would still be MP3...) There's also the "libquicktime" and "openquicktime" libraries in ports which _maybe_ allow a better in-browser experience to handle that proprietary format. If the web page to access the service is really that "backward oriented" that it _requires_ the actual QT player, then I'd say that Time Warner Cable needs a friendly reminder to make the transition to _standard_ "HTML-compatible formats" that have less restrictions in your rights to use _your_ voice mail - even if it's just a "stupid MP3 download" or something comparable. Everyone else on the planet can already play audio data via web pages without QT for decades. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 19:42:44 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B13E620 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:42:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DFB702608 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VPHSN-0006Gf-Fb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:42:35 +0200 Received: from cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com ([86.21.186.149]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:42:35 +0200 Received: from walterhurry by cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:42:35 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Walter Hurry Subject: Just wanted to say "Thanks" to Polytropon Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 4 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: cpc3-walt15-2-0-cust148.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com User-Agent: Pan/0.139 (Sexual Chocolate; GIT bf56508 git://git.gnome.org/pan2) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:42:44 -0000 A few weeks ago I asked about mouse trails. Polytropon suggested xeyes. I have found it excellent, and have had no trouble whatsoever with it. It has made my life so much easier. Thanks, Polytropon! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 19:53:23 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2482EA60 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:53:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.109]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FA126B6 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa11-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VvrV1m0034XeM0101vrehn; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:51:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:51:32 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-ID: <20130926195132.GA24184@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:53:23 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 03:26:29PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2013 19:47:08 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > dunno how you know im using the zsh, but yup. > > This is because of my magical allknowinglyness. :-) > > You wrote: > > > > > pts/14 17:11 [5011] vi! > > > > zsh: command not found: vi! > ^^^ > This gave me the impression you're using the Z shell. > > The C shell says: > > % vi! > vi!: Command not found. > > And bash says: > > $ vi! > bash: vi!: command not found > > So the shell that says "zsh" should be the Z shell, or a different > shell that's just lying. :-) Oh, noooooooooooo! ive got to go hide my head in the sand for 25 years... { it's so emmbarrassing!!} > > > with the bang stuff > > if you do a > > > > % !-3 > > > > you go back three vi cmds. !-N, N cmds. > > Yes, this also works in C shell. You can use the "h" (or "history") > builtin command to get an impression of content of the last commands > submitted to the shell. > > At least in csh, > > % !-1 > > equals > > % !! > > and repeats the last command. > > You could use the following command to print the last 20 commands > with the relative number (-1, -2, -3 and so on) printed infront of > them: > > % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(cmds-i), $0); i++ }' > > It's probably a good idea to define an alias for that, like "h20" > (history of last 20 commands). my zsh does a default to 10 or so history with just % h I was trying to remember how to set it to ,, say, 100. I use as many zsh-isms as saves keystrokes. thanks for that awk shortcut; ill use ir... :_) > You could also use the zsh's equivalent of the "precmd" alias: It > is a command that will be executed prior to displaying the shell > prompt, so after you're done with a command, the last commands > (maybe shortened to 10, just substitute the two appearances of > the "20" to "10") will be displayed before the prompt appears; > this will make it easier (and save keystrokes) to check the last > commands and maybe repeat one. > > Downside: The command "pollutes" the list of commands with itself, > so it should probably be grepped away. good grief, man. I just got up from a nap... can you re-word that? no, kidding. I get it. (for as many centuries as ive been using vi [nvi], there are *still* things I never had need to learn. so it turns out that a lot of theses "clever" sh scripts are over my head .... it takes mins -> hours to figure out. > > % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(cmds-i), $0); i++ }' | grep -v "history" > > It might be good to define a better exclusion pattern than just > "history" because that might lead to false-positives. I'd suggest > to rename the variables in the awk script to something unique and > then grep for those instead... > I have grep -v aliased to grv. > > > thankfully there are shortcuts! > > And shell aliases. :-) > > > > > ps: zsh is sort of a ksh clone; I remember porting the zsh onto > > my 286 in 1989. got a lot of csh-isms :) > > The Z shell combines nice interactive features of the C shell > (to be correct: the tcsh) and the scripting features of sh and > bash. It's considered one of the most powerful shells. So it's > a wise move to use it, because it combines "the _good_ things of > both worlds" (and not the bad things, as the csh is a terrible > scripting shell, just as plain sh is an awful dialog shell). > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 20:05:15 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95022FA7 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:05:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57CED2797 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E2B427A7F; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:05:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r8QK56GA003539; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:05:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:05:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-Id: <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130926195132.GA24184@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926195132.GA24184@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:05:15 -0000 On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:51:32 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > my zsh does a default to 10 or so history with just > > % h > > I was trying to remember how to set it to ,, say, 100. Depending on _typical_ terminal heights (100 lines?), this seems to be a bit high. But I assume zsh handles the "h" alias similarly to the csh, where an alias is defined (system-wide in /etc/csh.cshrc or per user in ~/.cshrc). Look for ~/.zshrc (if I remember correctly): alias h 'history 25' and change it accordingly. An interactive change is also possible (but will only be kept for the current session). I also assume the zsh has some settings on how many commands should be kept in history. The system's /etc/csh.cshrc provides the csh's equivalent: set history = 100 set savehist = 100 Probably zsh has something similar. > (for as many centuries as ive been using vi [nvi], there are > *still* things I never had need to learn. so it turns out that > a lot of theses "clever" sh scripts are over my head .... it > takes mins -> hours to figure out. You notice that you're saying that to a programmer whose shell scripts are usually overcomplicated, dull, and could use lots of optimization? ;-) > > % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(cmds-i), $0); i++ }' | grep -v "history" > > > > It might be good to define a better exclusion pattern than just > > "history" because that might lead to false-positives. I'd suggest > > to rename the variables in the awk script to something unique and > > then grep for those instead... > > > I have grep -v aliased to grv. If you're using that alias inside another alias, zsh (if it acts like csh) will expand it properly. Using such an alias in a "one-time entry" (as I'd consider an addition to a configuration file) still doesn't sound optimal regarding readability and maintainability. As if we would ever maintain our "naturally grown" (over centuries) configuration files... ;-) Still I think turning the example into a shell alias ("h20") or assigning it (with 20 -> 10) to the "precmd" alias could not be trivial, at least regarding the C shell, because lots of quoting and escaping would be needed; maybe zsh does not behave like a madman in this regards ("unmatched this, unmatched that, sytax error, cannot expand, missing argument, blah ..."). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 20:59:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E56D9B for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7210B2A91 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa11-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VwyC1m00G4XeM0101wyCBs; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:58:13 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:58:19 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-ID: <20130926205819.GB24184@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926195132.GA24184@ethic.thought.org> <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:59:50 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:05:06PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:51:32 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > my zsh does a default to 10 or so history with just > > > > % h > > > > I was trying to remember how to set it to ,, say, 100. > > Depending on _typical_ terminal heights (100 lines?), this > seems to be a bit high. But I assume zsh handles the "h" > alias similarly to the csh, where an alias is defined > (system-wide in /etc/csh.cshrc or per user in ~/.cshrc). > Look for ~/.zshrc (if I remember correctly): > > alias h 'history 25' > > and change it accordingly. An interactive change is also > possible (but will only be kept for the current session). > > I also assume the zsh has some settings on how many commands > should be kept in history. The system's /etc/csh.cshrc provides > the csh's equivalent: > > set history = 100 > set savehist = 100 I'remember seeing this a long time ago. in my ~/.zshrc I've got iit in all CAPS. HISTFILE=~/.zhistory SAVEHIST='5000' HISTSIZE=1000 got to google this; been tooo long since I glanced at the code! > > Probably zsh has something similar. > > > > > (for as many centuries as ive been using vi [nvi], there are > > *still* things I never had need to learn. so it turns out that > > a lot of theses "clever" sh scripts are over my head .... it > > takes mins -> hours to figure out. > > You notice that you're saying that to a programmer whose > shell scripts are usually overcomplicated, dull, and could > use lots of optimization? ;-) > ;-) > > > > % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(cmds-i), $0); i++ }' | grep -v "history" > > > > > > It might be good to define a better exclusion pattern than just > > > "history" because that might lead to false-positives. I'd suggest > > > to rename the variables in the awk script to something unique and > > > then grep for those instead... > > > > > I have grep -v aliased to grv. > > If you're using that alias inside another alias, zsh (if it > acts like csh) will expand it properly. Using such an alias > in a "one-time entry" (as I'd consider an addition to a > configuration file) still doesn't sound optimal regarding > readability and maintainability. As if we would ever maintain > our "naturally grown" (over centuries) configuration files... ;-) > > Still I think turning the example into a shell alias ("h20") or > assigning it (with 20 -> 10) to the "precmd" alias could not > be trivial, at least regarding the C shell, because lots of > quoting and escaping would be needed; maybe zsh does not behave > like a madman in this regards ("unmatched this, unmatched that, > sytax error, cannot expand, missing argument, blah ..."). :-) > > I'll be typing for 10 years before I'v saved the keystrokes ive spent here > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 21:13:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D565123 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74532B63 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8QLD0fS036666 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 23:13:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D5A91232B; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 23:13:00 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 23:13:00 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: FreeBSD Subject: Re: Voice Mail required QuickTime Message-ID: <20130926211300.GB34781@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:13:09 -0000 --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 01:54:34PM -0400, Carmel wrote: > I have a voice mail account with Time Warner Cable. I can access the > account from my home telephone, Windows PC, etcetera, but not from my > FreeBSD machine. This error message pops up when I try to play the > recording on the web site: >=20 > To play audio online, you must have QuickTime Player installed. >=20 > How can I make this work from my FreeBSD machine? The chromium browser (/usr/ports/www/chromium) has better multimedia capabilities out of the box. But if you want to keep using firefox, re-build it with the gstreamer option enabled. That will give firefox more capability in handling multimedia. Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlJEo1wACgkQEnfvsMMhpyXvmgCePLv0NVyuLKvAM1Hvsd7N3Fq9 DQsAnA9ytx26rjXapYEi5KG7nf13DD96 =t4Ss -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zx4FCpZtqtKETZ7O-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 21:15:19 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E432C6 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [68.178.252.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FD82B8B for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org ([209.180.213.209]) by p3plsmtpa11-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id VxFA1m00B4XeM0101xFB0n; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:15:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:15:17 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Polytropon Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-ID: <20130926211517.GC24184@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926195132.GA24184@ethic.thought.org> <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:15:19 -0000 Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:05:06PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 12:51:32 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > > my zsh does a default to 10 or so history with just > > > > % h > > > > I was trying to remember how to set it to ,, say, 100. > > Depending on _typical_ terminal heights (100 lines?), this > seems to be a bit high. But I assume zsh handles the "h" > alias similarly to the csh, where an alias is defined > (system-wide in /etc/csh.cshrc or per user in ~/.cshrc). > Look for ~/.zshrc (if I remember correctly): > > alias h 'history 25' > > and change it accordingly. An interactive change is also > possible (but will only be kept for the current session). > > I also assume the zsh has some settings on how many commands > should be kept in history. The system's /etc/csh.cshrc provides > the csh's equivalent: > > set history = 100 > set savehist = 100 > > Probably zsh has something similar. > FWIW, I just tried: alias -- h='history 50' works as it ought; last time I tried, the history quit after ~10. [?] > > > (for as many centuries as ive been using vi [nvi], there are > > *still* things I never had need to learn. so it turns out that > > a lot of theses "clever" sh scripts are over my head .... it > > takes mins -> hours to figure out. > > You notice that you're saying that to a programmer whose > shell scripts are usually overcomplicated, dull, and could > use lots of optimization? ;-) > > > > > > % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(cmds-i), $0); i++ }' | grep -v "history" > > > > > > It might be good to define a better exclusion pattern than just > > > "history" because that might lead to false-positives. I'd suggest > > > to rename the variables in the awk script to something unique and > > > then grep for those instead... > > > > > I have grep -v aliased to grv. > > If you're using that alias inside another alias, zsh (if it > acts like csh) will expand it properly. Using such an alias > in a "one-time entry" (as I'd consider an addition to a > configuration file) still doesn't sound optimal regarding > readability and maintainability. As if we would ever maintain > our "naturally grown" (over centuries) configuration files... ;-) > > Still I think turning the example into a shell alias ("h20") or > assigning it (with 20 -> 10) to the "precmd" alias could not > be trivial, at least regarding the C shell, because lots of > quoting and escaping would be needed; maybe zsh does not behave > like a madman in this regards ("unmatched this, unmatched that, > sytax error, cannot expand, missing argument, blah ..."). :-) > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Twenty-seven years of service to the Unix community. http://www.thought.org/HOPE From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 26 22:12:56 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7022C36B for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:12:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F9662E86 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-65.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95F4AA712; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:12:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r8QMCk8O003965; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:12:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:12:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-Id: <20130927001246.b2d12d91.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20130926205819.GB24184@ethic.thought.org> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926195132.GA24184@ethic.thought.org> <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926205819.GB24184@ethic.thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:12:56 -0000 On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 13:58:19 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. > Of_Interest: With 27 years of service to the Unix community. > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:05:06PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > I also assume the zsh has some settings on how many commands > > should be kept in history. The system's /etc/csh.cshrc provides > > the csh's equivalent: > > > > set history = 100 > > set savehist = 100 > > > I'remember seeing this a long time ago. in my ~/.zshrc I've got > iit in all CAPS. > > > > HISTFILE=~/.zhistory > SAVEHIST='5000' > HISTSIZE=1000 > > > got to google this; been tooo long since I glanced at the code! That's probably correct, it reflects the "sh-like aspects" of code (as I said, csh is a terrible scripting shell, and this is also true regarding its configuration files). So those entries look correct. I'm not a zsh user, so I can't say this for sure. I'm heavily infected with csh already. ;-) On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 14:15:17 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > FWIW, I just tried: > > alias -- h='history 50' > > > works as it ought; last time I tried, the history quit > after ~10. [?] The reason might be that the history, at this point in time, did only contain 10 entries. I don't know how the content of ~/.zhistory behaves if more than one shell is running for a given user... The Z shell is very customizable and can automate routine tasks (regarding the shell dialog) in a pleasant manner. If you want the last 10 commands to be displayed before the shell prompt appears, try something like this in ~/.zshrc: function precmd { history 10 | awk 'BEGIN {histcmds=10} { printf("\t%2d\t%s\n", -(histcmds-i), $0); i++ }' | grep -v "histcmds" } Not tested, but it seems to be much easier as zsh simply defines a function "precmd" and doesn't require the user to fight with quotes, doublequotes and escaping as csh successfully does. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 00:10:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32062EC7 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:10:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike.jeays@rogers.com) Received: from nm16-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm8.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.224]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D97C923BB for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2013 00:10:34 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.147] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2013 00:10:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp119.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Sep 2013 00:10:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1380240634; bh=XV04qma//SAgfSlCw9BslMOnlQ7HlOfHxdsRb78quvs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lc5jkPn1OIPiWoOESWukOGv2evNtf3TSHNIisNgIdxwt9erJP8AOQF/N6KTYXEDoOmVgS7rNOhUsuJWT/83dT+qU4hYLamaz4wdRFRY13aZhMXAoSaoDwNkZZ8uTF6Fx2AnVRfbofy70QJFGe2u7U14zDaejGOW8cRsv9awlQA8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 885846.7103.bm@smtp119.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: FJSnrMAVM1lUDbeJsU2T._H.16tNPG9v5Yrn2yfbdurgj4M Ps3yipIp9eSGgIPQfP3rVp.OW.BuXTV5PnTdkvWac79NmQ6B0EmxvG2JkWi6 pzrCe2aWHLlsXv.fryxyE0OxC5oy9jGrSqw3gfTj4bWgQXArdRHNGauoe9qb VpVCBm1j6BctPTha42eUyqlpGShKaZ7kTtefqvghKG0FZLRVzou1dl.xKM9f ryTtgDIltGgxHMTHFMv_SuRbv5mHvi8eThL7MNfanx0h6Zw12A.Ki12boeSB HmJ84mrc_pdjxxh.W5a0ZjtYPnY_WBLVv3eGt_KbaM2JcpjO4Ky34gYmrXx6 Kc84TASmv6agHzILpSmq2pqAlfccqLkQFqonxhxMW9Q9eRQ52c37Qn7G2Tcd kYjClb_OIWjxpnzO8swugvSP3r6B42a3lyItLPqZVxIsQuZZ5RcKkH2L.zND 6m0S_aEZHIKuY_iv7ll01fd6c3tasR.I.kLMhRbLbzWOjtk8o5McOcfpIWr9 8Ytnwy7fEKr6qLuqufY3_bfyLrtjld3q220SgDjA_cTvPsyEaaWka88Mvx5R IE7r5jtAmmDG6pSZF2hJ_hZ_Xdm1B7nw_nJtHA4NCp3tN88Th1Kkuw0yFf1e MEucpk4FmcbtKBQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: N82WFx6swBBjwcHWPFR2CGt6udzA8RPrA.xm0enFFXaK2g-- X-Rocket-Received: from europa (mike.jeays@173.33.93.170 with ) by smtp119.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2013 00:10:34 +0000 UTC Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:10:27 -0400 From: Mike Jeays To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just wanted to say "Thanks" to Polytropon Message-ID: <20130926201027.702dbe8d@europa> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.17; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:10:41 -0000 On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Walter Hurry wrote: > A few weeks ago I asked about mouse trails. Polytropon suggested xeyes. I > have found it excellent, and have had no trouble whatsoever with it. > > It has made my life so much easier. Thanks, Polytropon! > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I have to confess that when I first say xeyes on a Sun workstation over 20 years ago, I thought it was a joke - just a demo of what could be done with X-Windows. I am delighted to hear it has helped you so much, and no doubt many others. I was quite naive. I see it has even been ported to (or rewritten for) Windows : http://www.steelblue.com/WinEyes/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 02:27:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D56FFA for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:27:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounce@hllo.com) Received: from 131-178.sl.smtp.com (131-178.sl.smtp.com [192.40.178.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378262A0C for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:27:25 +0000 (UTC) X-MSFBL: cXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnQDE5Ml80MF8xNzhfMTMxQGNvbnN1bWVyaW5m b3JtYXRpb25fZGVkaWNhdGVkX3Bvb2xA DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=smtp.com; s=smtpcomcustomers; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@smtp.com; t=1380247637; h=From:Subject:To:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=+9hyXEiXeigGGx5ke2vt+xQfYd54mEUib66OtvB5JEg=; b=YKpuhBj4A8ScQ7Mo8JgjnHdHrgOGjoxsImMn2ywYeph73ckXUjEi8ckDSsyVQyur lL3BhTczQ2H89bOqXnLyTWyekwpJrldLJilUBE6eRB0tQGQhwrml5d3WxECgzxIl eF+BH9OpApPRHdiCowlmEp/ApwTNvilEv61Ojn8x+Ec=; Received: from [192.40.186.104] ([192.40.186.104:53619] helo=iem4.smtp.com) by sl-mta04 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.3.2.44647 r(44647)) with ESMTPA id 25/43-01494-458E4425; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:07:17 +0000 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Synergy Newsletter Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:55:25 -0400 From: "Information Consumer Watch" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer-LID: 50,88,43,87,59,86,89,91,90,44,55,83,84,77,78,79,80,81,76,56 X-Mailer-RecptId: 1628810 X-Mailer-SID: 1123 X-Mailer-Sent-By: 16 X-SMTPCOM-Tracking-Number: 14ec9786-b9a7-4b0c-be22-6f07b56eca89 X-SMTPCOM-Sender-ID: 6004301 X-SMTPCOM-Spam-Policy: SMTP.com is a paid relay service. 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Patients who take generic drugs that differ in color are 50 percent more likely to stop the intake of the drug, producing possible negative reactions, according to a new study by Brigham and Women’s Hospital (BWH). The findings were published in the Archives of Internal Medicine. The case-control study analyzed patients taking antiepileptic drugs and looked at the probability that patients who did not refill their prescriptions had been taking medication with a different shape or color from earlier prescriptions. Aaron S. Kesselheim MD, JD, MPH, assistant professor of medicine in the Division of Pharmacoepidemiology and Pharmacoeconomics at BWH, and principal investigator of this study, explains: “Pill appearance has long been suspected to be linked to medication adherence, yet this is the first empirical analysis that we know of that directly links pills’ physical characteristics to patients’ adherence behavior. We found that changes in pill color significantly increase the odds that patients will stop taking their drugs as prescribed.†The investigators used a large national database of filled prescriptions. When they discovered a gap in a patient’s use of the drug, they reviewed the previous two prescriptions filled and checked to see if they were the same shape and color. They found that interruptions in the prescription filling happened more commonly when the pills had a different color. Of all patients, around 11,472 stopped getting their prescriptions; 27 percent of subjects with non-epilepsy drug prescriptions stopped their prescriptions, and 53 percent with epilepsy stopped their meds. Stopping use of an antiepileptic drug, even for a couple days, can increase the risk of seizure and impact social and medical consequences for patients. The conclusions suggest significant take-home information for pharmacists, physicians, and patients. Kesselheim says: “Patients should be aware that their pills may change color and shape, but that even differently-appearing generic drugs are approved by the FDA as being bioequivalent to their brand-name counterparts and are safe to take. Physicians should be aware that changes in pill appearance might explain their patients’ non-adherence. Finally, pharmacists should make a point to tell patients about the change in color and shape when they change generic suppliers.†Kelly Fitzgerald. “Difference In Pill Color May Affect Patient’s Adherence.†Medical News Today 03 Jan 2013 Topical pain creams combine multiple proven therapeutic ingredients. Topical creams are absorbed through the skin targeting the affected location. Topial Pain Shoulder Using oral pain killers and anti-inflammatory medications for a long period of time can cause serious health issues such as gastrointestinal problems. Applying topical pain creams can decrease a persons dependency on oral medication. Topical pain creams are applied directly onto the skin to treat the exact area of pain, which oral medications cannot do. The most common areas that topical pain creams are applied to are joints, neck, the lumbar region of the back, and the feet. Topical pain cream formulas are designed by the doctor specifically for their patients and compounded by our pharmacist. Read and follow directions carefully. If there is an insert, save it to refer to later. Never apply them to wounds or damaged skin. Do not use them along with a heating pad, because it could cause burns. Do not use under a tight bandage. Wash your hands well after using them. Avoid touching your eyes with the product on your hands. Are there any side effects associated with topical pain relievers? Side effects are uncommon. A rash may develop when the individual has surprisingly sensitive skin or an allergy to among the drugs inside the prescription. There is pretty small systemic intake with all the transdermal creams; consequently, the opportunity of negative effects is a lot lower than when the individual was taking the same drugs inside an oral shape. Unlike Oral NSAIDS, the transdermal cream never create any G. I. upset or problems. The added benefits of Topical Compounded Creams makes them a top choice for patients and for doctors. To stop receiving these emails:http://iem4.smtp.com/unsubscribe.php?M=1628810&C=2d6f6bc0fb6a3091d77817fe4709986f&L=78&N=1123 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 02:38:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A653DC for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:38:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net) Received: from rc1.surewest.net (rc1.surewest.net [66.60.130.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE602AAE for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.surewest.net ([66.60.130.145]) by rc1.surewest.net ({dfaaa318-551d-4a0a-8038-7c31cf31c4f6}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20130927023435730 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:34:35 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from ms5.mc.surewest.net (hansolo.surewest.net [64.30.98.104]) by smtp4.surewest.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9364989378 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ms5.mc.surewest.net [192.168.60.103]) by ms5.mc.surewest.net (MOS 4.1.10-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id DRK47122 (AUTH leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net); Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Subject: Gnome green screen of death To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 4.1.10-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20130926193435.DRK47122@ms5.mc.surewest.net> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 19:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-MAG-OUTBOUND: surewest.redcondor.net@66.60.130.145/32 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 02:38:10 -0000 Good afternoon, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I have installed X11 and Gnome on my computer equipped with FreeBSD 9.1. The X11 and Gnome packages were taken from the d.v.d.-r.o.m. that contained the operating system. The computer is an H.P. Z220 with an Intel Xeon quad-core processor. I do not want Gnome to start automatically on bootup. I wish to call it from the command line on the local console. When I have finished working with Gnome, I expect the operating system to return me to console session from which Gnome was called. I have started Gnome with the command "exec gdm-session". I do not know if the "exec" keyword is necessary, but it worked. When I am finished working with Gnome, I click on the logoff (or logout?) button. The screen turns solid green with none of icons, characters, image, or splash. The computer does not respond to the keyboard. When I cut the power to the computer, and then reboot, I receive a sequence of messages complaining that ada0s3a, ada0s3d, and so on, are corrupt, and that I must run fdsk. What am I doing wrong here? The following error messages, which are shown only partially because they flash quickly on the screen, appear before Gnome starts: a) Authority server root file does not exist b) .../serverauth.1119doc.... does not exist c) X.authority does not exist d) ** (gnome-session:1121): WARNING **: Cannot open display: On reboot, e) The file entitled root/.xsession-errors contains 368 lines, including the following: e1) DEBUG:GsmAutostartAppp This program is not intended to be run as root e2) gnome-session: Fatal IO error 35 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0. e3) Window manager warning fatal IO error 35 (resource temporarily unavailable) on display ':0'. Any and all comments and suggestions will be appreciated. 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Offices: Mumbai: +91-9987026862 | Delhi: +91-9810808642 | Bengaluru: = 91-9742758884=20 =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 03:02:14 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE733981 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 03:02:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=1975dfca55=vogelke@pobox.com) Received: from us.af.mil (52vejx-mr-008.us.af.mil [131.9.254.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91E902CFC for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 03:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ([131.9.40.227]) by 52vejx-mr-008.us.af.mil with SMTP id 20Z0FN1.87415943; Thu, 26 Sep 2013 21:39:18 -0500 Received: (qmail 27987 invoked by uid 583); 27 Sep 2013 02:46:56 -0000 From: "Karl Vogel" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 22:46:56 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: minor vi/vim qstn Message-ID: <20130927024656.GA27195@amd118.wpafb.af.mil> References: <20130925212741.GA19434@ethic.thought.org> <20130926002327.6502d1b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926002104.GA12932@ethic.thought.org> <20130926030600.8850ddc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926024708.GA3908@ethic.thought.org> <20130926152629.89e6dd72.freebsd@edvax.de> <20130926195132.GA24184@ethic.thought.org> <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130926220506.d9c11563.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: vogelke+unix@pobox.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 03:02:14 -0000 >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:05:06PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: P> Depending on _typical_ terminal heights (100 lines?), this [history P> setting] seems to be a bit high. But I assume zsh handles the "h" P> alias similarly to the csh, where an alias is defined (system-wide in P> /etc/csh.cshrc or per user in ~/.cshrc). The "fc" builtin can be helpful here. I like to see my recent history without numbering, so I can highlight/rerun/store any useful subset of commands: # history without command numbers, look for optional pattern. h () { case "$#" in 0) fc -ln 1 | less +G ;; *) fc -ln 1 | grep ${1+"$@"} ;; esac } If I dork up my history beyond belief, edit and reload the whole thing: histedit () { x="$HOME/.histedit" fc -W $x && vi $x && fc -R $x && rm $x } >> In a previous message: P> % history 20 | awk 'BEGIN {cmds=20} ... | grep -v "history" You can avoid some history pollution with these settings, at least in ZSH version 4.3.10: setopt histignoredups # don't store duplicate lines in command history setopt histnostore # don't store history commands in history Other settings I've found useful: setopt autocd # go to a directory if first word on command line # is not a command but is a directory setopt autoresume # single-word commands may resume a suspended job setopt cdablevars # allows cd'ing to a parameter setopt correct # try to correct the spelling of commands setopt csh_junkie_loops # allow short form of loops: list; end setopt extendedglob # allow # and ^ to be used for filename generation setopt extended_history # format: :: setopt globdots # don't require leading . in filename to be matched setopt ignoreeof # don't logout using Control-D setopt longlistjobs # list jobs in long format by default setopt markdirs # append trailing / to dirnames setopt menucomplete # cycle through completions when ambiguous setopt numeric_globsort # sort numeric filenames numerically setopt noclobber # don't overwrite existing files setopt notify # tell me when a job finishes setopt rcquotes # '' = single quote in single-quoted strings unsetopt bgnice # don't run background jobs at lower priority -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company vogelke at pobox dot com http://www.pobox.com/~vogelke Teenage girl creates sustainable, renewable algae biofuel under her bed --Extreme Tech headline, 19 March 2013 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 06:53:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2423F3FC for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8024260B for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.local ([78.133.112.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id r8R6resi061162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:53:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk r8R6resi061162 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/r8R6resi061162; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none (unprotected policy) X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host [78.133.112.70] claimed to be seedling.local Message-ID: <52452B6B.2030402@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 08:53:31 +0200 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net Subject: Re: Gnome green screen of death References: <20130926193435.DRK47122@ms5.mc.surewest.net> In-Reply-To: <20130926193435.DRK47122@ms5.mc.surewest.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p246a6QNrKBK5RHP0PKJCv2NLufr5LxC6" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.8 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, DCC_CHECK, RCVD_IN_XBL, RDNS_NONE,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.2 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 06:53:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --p246a6QNrKBK5RHP0PKJCv2NLufr5LxC6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27/09/2013 04:34, leeoliveshackelford@surewest.net wrote: > Good afternoon, dear FreeBSD enthusiast. I have installed X11 and Gnom= e on my computer equipped with FreeBSD 9.1. The X11=20 > and Gnome packages were taken from the d.v.d.-r.o.m. that=20 > contained the operating system. The computer is an H.P. Z220=20 > with an Intel Xeon quad-core processor. I do not want Gnome=20 > to start automatically on bootup. I wish to call it from the=20 > command line on the local console. When I have finished=20 > working with Gnome, I expect the operating system to return me=20 > to console session from which Gnome was called. I have=20 > started Gnome with the command "exec gdm-session". I do not=20 > know if the "exec" keyword is necessary, but it worked. When I=20 > am finished working with Gnome, I click on the logoff (or=20 > logout?) button. The screen turns solid green with none of=20 > icons, characters, image, or splash. The computer does not=20 > respond to the keyboard. When I cut the power to the computer,=20 > and then reboot, I receive a sequence of messages complaining=20 > that ada0s3a, ada0s3d, and so on, are corrupt, and that I must=20 > run fdsk. What am I doing wrong here? The following error messages, w= hich are shown only partially because they flash quickly on the screen, a= ppear before Gnome starts: =20 There's a number of things: -- you seem to be logging into your X environment as root. This is not a particularly good idea. Much better to create yourself a normal user account for that, and use su(1) or sudo(1) to take rootly powers as required. -- You don't say what sort of graphics card the system has. If you look at /var/log/Xorg.log.0 (or something similar to that) it will have that information amongst a lot of other stuff. The nature of the graphics card is important, because some models don't switch back to console mode from graphics mode very well. It's a known bug, and unfortunately if you have one of those models the best advice at the moment is to run a display manager (xdm, kdm, slim) and always use a graphical login. -- The use of 'exec' in ~/.startx is correct, but not if you're typing that from the shell command prompt. What exec does is *replace* the current process with the one you called. That's fine if you're replacing the (very small) shell script that is ~/.startx, but not if you're replacing your login shell. The recommended way to start X from the command line is to set up a ~/.startx script (which could contain just your 'exec gdm-session' command, or quite a bit more. Then type startx to (like it says on the tin...) start X. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey --p246a6QNrKBK5RHP0PKJCv2NLufr5LxC6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iKYEARECAGYFAlJFK3JfFIAAAAAALgAoaXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3Bl bnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldEI1NTUyQTk2Mjc0RUQyNDg1NzM0MEVCNEYw QzhFNEU3NjBBRTkwOEMACgkQ8Mjk52CukIygGwCfcgro/UG4bI2DFJe+yjiUPXaX yiwAoJV0XbGb5ZBKk3OO3dv7cgkaheFe =wm5O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --p246a6QNrKBK5RHP0PKJCv2NLufr5LxC6-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 07:16:06 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB5CC0E for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@petermann-it.de) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (static.209.96.9.5.clients.your-server.de [5.9.96.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C81D2727 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail [10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BAB84F25DC for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:06:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.s1.d2ux.org ([10.0.0.3]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (mail.s1.d2ux.org [10.0.0.3]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e0OKQTgRR0wd for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:06:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from www.s1.d2ux.org (unknown [10.0.0.4]) by mail.s1.d2ux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB4D84F2585 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:06:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 188.92.33.52 ([188.92.33.52]) by d2ux.org (Horde Framework) with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:06:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 09:06:32 +0200 Message-ID: <20130927090632.Horde.JiBfY18VxaN170Gzw9IEpA4@d2ux.org> From: Matthias Petermann To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Joystick for FreeBSD/Flightgear User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H5 (6.1.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:16:06 -0000 Hello, I'm curious which of the currently available joysticks are supposed to work with FreeBSD. I'd like to use it for playing games/flightgear. There was some discussion[1] which looks like joysticks should work in general, and I guess there are some models supported better than others. Can anyone give a recommendation what to buy to be confident it works? Kind regards, Matthias [1] http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=18454 -- Matthias Petermann Ihr Partner für anspruchsvolle IT-Lösungen www.petermann-it.de - lösungsorientiert, innovativ und erfolgreich From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 07:37:57 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04BC1DB for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yudi.tux@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22c.google.com (mail-lb0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32A452830 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id x18so1935664lbi.17 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:37:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xI0sCgZ1nOatuqNYIy2A0N6sYBo7kUna9ZsnXBLJ4PI=; b=pCpO2W4jiM+s1Ii00/NVgTFwpRfU3uoipRMJ6oXaLmIbr8GiNU7yy6zHeWLC6/4Gzl 9zkNVMv3d/8ddps7/iD5s2MpqmyuTPkSkLSG1lPnj4n0Pgtr8RuLV2E25952uFv3fRbP rE7AMxwbF8OgbO+AKLjaShnXFNL4hxaVjVks3Vp0xHYUP7aDAPjhg8ywJrKQDDhN9dA3 5eC/0D/cJr6UtSVUTLFerrX0QfJ3aY4+1m1uswV77pPJamS+1b6ud0MEDBW/nSxsIga8 tNaEDfd5vDHWyHfrot7Vk1rf3+v5hj22xJCYhVW83s2s6isqmcsIiyFw5Xpgn3NKJ4K0 4+LQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.143.3 with SMTP id sa3mr7500322lbb.12.1380267475100; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.82.4 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 00:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:37:55 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation From: yudi v To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:37:57 -0000 Hi all, Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk encryption. My set-up is listed below. So I am going to have an encrypted container and ZFS on top. There are two options for the swap with this set-up, either use a swap file on the ZFS pool or use a separate partition for swap and encrypt that. What I want to know is will either of this work with suspend to disk. Reading geli(8) man page does not say anything about suspending to disk. Geli itself has suspend and resume commands but looks like they cannot be used on the file system where geliutility is stored (so the root pool cannot be suspended?) And the onetime option does not support geli suspend. Thank you. Yudi PS. I haven't received any response to the email below, if someone would still like to answer some of the questions at the end, that would be wonderful. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: yudi v Date: Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 7:09 PM Subject: geli+Root on ZFS installation To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Hi, I managed to install with "geli+root on ZFS" setup but have a few questions. Most of the instructions just list commands but offer very little explanation. I adapted the instructions in https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE to suit my needs= . Here's the process I used for the test on a VM: 2 GB RAM two HDDs 8 GB each mirrored - three partitions for boot code 128 KB for /boot 2 GB for the rest of the system and encrypted no key file for encrypted partitions, only passphrase using 9.1-RELEASE there will be no swap or handling of 4k drives, just to keep it as simple as possible. *Create the basic three partitions:* gpart destroy -F da0 gpart destroy -F da1 gpart create -s gpt da0 gpart create -s gpt da1 gpart add -s 128 -t freebsd-boot da0 gpart add -s 128 -t freebsd-boot da1 gpart add -s 2G -t freebsd-zfs da0 gpart add -s 2G -t freebsd-zfs da1 gpart add -t freebsd-zfs da0 gpart add -t freebsd-zfs da1 *Write boot code to both disks:* gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 da0 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptzfsboot -i 1 da1 *Load necessary modules:* kldload zfs kldload geom_eli * Encrypt the disks with only a passphrase:* geli init -b -s 4096 /dev/da0p3 geli init -b -s 4096 /dev/da1p3 geli attach /dev/da0p3 geli attach /dev/da1p3 *Creating ZFS datasets:* zpool create bootdir mirror /dev/da0p2 /dev/da1p2 zpool set bootfs=3Dbootdir bootdir zpool create -R /mnt -O canmount=3Doff tank mirror /dev/da0p3.eli /dev/da1p3.eli zfs create -o mountpoint=3D/ tank/ROOT zfs set mountpoint=3D/mnt/bootdir bootdir zfs mount bootdir *Then exit out of the shell and go back to bsdinstall. Install as normal and then get back to the shell after bsdinstall finishes ( do not reboot yet).* Once in the newly installed system: mount -t devfs devfs /dev ( to use ZFS commands in the new environment) *Add the necessary variables/settings:* echo =91zfs_enable=3D=94YES=94=91 >> /etc/rc.conf echo =91vfs.root.mountfrom=3D=94zfs:tank/ROOT=94=91 >> /boot/loader.conf echo =91zfs_load=3D=94YES=94=91 >> /boot/loader.conf echo =91geom_eli_load=3D=94YES=94=91 >> /boot/loader.conf *Then create a zpool cache file:* zpool set cachefile=3D/boot/zfs/zpool.cache tank. *Then move the boot folder to the second partition under the bootdir dataset:* mv boot bootdir/ * Then set the final mount points:* zfs set mountpoint=3Dlegacy tank zfs set mountpoint=3D/bootdir bootdir *then reboot.* It should boot fine into the new system. --------------------- My questions: --------------------------------- *1.* Almost all the guides I came across, do not install to the root dataset, they only seem to use it to derive/mount other datasets/filesystems. One of the reasons is to user boot environments, what are the other possible reasons for doing this? *2*. Is it necessary to create a symbolic link to the /boot dir? Again one of the howtos on the web had this step ( https://www.dan.me.uk/blog/2012/05/06/full-disk-encryption-with-zfs-root-fo= r-freebsd-9-x/ ). ln -fs bootdir/boot *3*. This below option is where I had most trouble. This definitely needs to be present when using geli+ZFS, if it's only ZFS, then I think the bootfs flag suffices. Can someone with more knowledge of this please shed some light on when this entry is needed. vfs.root.mountfrom=3D=94zfs:tank/ROOT=94 *4.* In the wiki link above, what is the purpose of: # zfs set mountpoint=3D/ zroot/ROOT # zfs set mountpoint=3D/zroot zroot I cannot understand the logic behind the second command. Does that mean zroot will display under / (root of the filesystem)? and Why? looking at the rest of the commands: # zfs set mountpoint=3D/tmp zroot/tmp # zfs set mountpoint=3D/usr zroot/usr # zfs set mountpoint=3D/var zroot/var so if ROOT is set to / then tmp, usr and var all appear under ROOT, is that right? *5.* There seems to be lot of variation on how the system directories are mounted under ZFS. In the above wiki link, there seems to be separate filesystems created under the root dataset for usr, var, tmp, usr/home .... What's the logic? Are there any general guidelines/best practice instructions? Thank you. Yudi --=20 Kind regards, Yudi From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 14:15:17 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F2AE7C for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:15:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22e.google.com (mail-qc0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B033245F for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f174.google.com with SMTP id n9so1760110qcw.33 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QMS60SrjobulcIiEP+obLOIlh7dJIj1ht0zLyws4n4k=; b=WgQJFojgbkSVNV/ZI+be7A+A9S9THc9zudc8NDVaa/GxwMPXGPAi4oQqrJNCVKpN0P fPdA1/Sdj3sQA/jbR69yAavkg6yVMA/ORA4H3bFIkuTdJTeTChwFDlJJB1/jEcrlDckq ZWachEQqPR2wBj7tWsU0266UhzKHE0AjE/+nqUQReOIjDgNCqK/c4neWY7nnKBuFEtQX U6tp+Ogf+m2b4ceGbBLd7+1w7sbUwJsUfSpMuc/bqD7v7cM1NfLYvLIev9ePJnMLzRyS 2DUm27SRvY3petBNGoFnthNG1FwIqGQpZTRnlncXpUIL5kO3tcjl1a3NwwppQjiZH+uC lsww== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.49.63.39 with SMTP id d7mr9152950qes.78.1380291316385; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.15.129 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 07:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:15:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: tcpdump behavior with netgraph From: Riaan Kruger To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:15:17 -0000 I am trying to troubleshoot my netgraph setup. I have a custom node connected to ng_ether's orphan and upper hooks. This node inserts a special ethernet tag into certain UDP broadcast packets going out and strip it coming back in. With tcpdump I see two entries for each packet sent, one without the special ethernet tag and one with it. 1. Is it correct that tcpdump sees the packet twice, and why? According to the following diagram it does not make sense that tcpdump should see it twice: http://people.freebsd.org/~julian/layer2-current.pdf If the system has been running a while some of the UDP broadcast packets are not sent and I only see (with tcpdump) the packet without the special ethernet tag. 2. Is this an indication that the packet gets lost in the netgraph chain? Last question: 3. How can I better/debug troubleshoot what is going on in whole netgraphsubsystem, not just mode netgraph node that I inserted in the chain. Thanks PS. Questions numbered for your convenience :) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 17:47:09 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DACB14 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:47:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikolas.britton@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22e.google.com (mail-ie0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A652D2082 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ie0-f174.google.com with SMTP id u16so4683906iet.33 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:47:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QoSgzw0CavodRj1HAvIKt1mZBrIO4TguBCAhrf+apmc=; b=sHmurSmUDueyMbztJ5PjVpCu1O4pNKunZ9AV0LOF4t/n4pJs+x/q9P/KqznxptCb48 mqStV2259C209lAFrTTcXOg5h1MmzFvV0hIGAK2umqv2oMeQQ1BCuNx3AZJ3Tsp7MjsI wBFtUmvvPo3WHqII17sv8VIfmWikbUUGizNx5lnFKAbZ6A2/zqOjZTBbTNCpmWWCDopw QVjA4oM/1PGd/nLXelp5A0jKKV5BEsHJJyQTUpx+JgTtx8qWdX0QDsoac4/zKdvHveQC bSSTseNBRfyDXXKjKl9P4AbuYwXXqkLZgHRVY/wN/8wz4S5dqvoG82YJnPx8i14QXUGr JSXg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.54.132 with SMTP id r4mr7324398icg.19.1380304028956; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.172.134 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 10:47:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: General questions regarding FreeBSD 10 From: Nikolas Britton To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:47:09 -0000 General questions regarding FreeBSD 10: 1. Did virtualization containers (VPS) make it into FreeBSD 10? The documentation I=92ve read implies that you can have nested containers, with little to no performance penalty, is this correct? How is networking handled inside these containers? 2. I'm assuming jails still exist in FreeBSD (I haven=92t used BSD in a lon= g time), how do they relate, or fit in, with VPS and Bhyve offerings? Is Xen Dom0 or KVM available on FreeBSD? 3. Can Bhyve be used with processors that don't support Extended Page Tables? For example, Xeon 5400 series processors? 4. How well does FreeBSD 10 run as a VMware vsphere , KVM, and/or Xen guest= ? 5: For Jails, VPS, and Bhyve, what is the footprint (i.e. memory overhead) for each implementation? 6. How stable is FreeBSD's ZFS implementation, relative to Solaris? What zpool version is in FreeBSD 10? Is LZ4 the default compression mode? 7. Is Clang and the build system setup to automatically target cpu instruction set? i.e. cc -target-cpu corei7-avx? Any performance improvements of targeted binaries? 8. Has ports management gotten any better, specifically upgrading ports? Can applications be self contained, like on the Mac, yet? Any work on rollback with ZFS? 9. I recall device support being a large hurtle for me in the past. How far behind is driver development relative to Linux, for server equipment? Has there been any community interest in porting FreeBSD (world) to Linux (kernel)? 10. How is the Java ecosystem on FreeBSD? Is LLVM specific to applications? I make the assumption that the VM in LLVM is referring to something like a JVM, for code abstraction. I haven=92t used FreeBSD in ages. However, VPS, with ZFS, has me really excited; I don=92t enjoy Solaris, and Enterprise Linux is still stuck in 2009, with kernel 2.6.32. I can=92t find any modern linux distributions tha= t are as reliable as I remember FreeBSD was. It=92s really sad. Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 18:17:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEC822F; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 390722214; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.fisglobal.com ([10.132.206.15]) by ltcfislmsgpa02.fnfis.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8RIHdhR014226 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:17:44 -0500 Received: from LTCFISWMSGMB21.FNFIS.com ([169.254.1.202]) by LTCFISWMSGHT04.FNFIS.com ([10.132.206.15]) with mapi id 14.02.0309.002; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:17:43 -0500 From: "Teske, Devin" To: Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: General questions regarding FreeBSD 10 Thread-Topic: General questions regarding FreeBSD 10 Thread-Index: AQHOu63chMklcBcHfUCRNbSYCUT5Mw== Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:17:43 +0000 Message-ID: <13CA24D6AB415D428143D44749F57D720FC00B2B@LTCFISWMSGMB21.FNFIS.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.132.253.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-ID: <165D8B117650014FB320AE5DCF2A1C8A@fisglobal.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794, 1.0.431, 0.0.0000 definitions=2013-09-27_07:2013-09-27,2013-09-27,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Cc: Devin Teske , FreeBSD Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Devin Teske List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:17:46 -0000 On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Nikolas Britton wrote: > General questions regarding FreeBSD 10: >=20 > 1. Did virtualization containers (VPS) make it into FreeBSD 10? The > documentation I=92ve read implies that you can have nested containers, wi= th > little to no performance penalty, is this correct? How is networking > handled inside these containers? >=20 I don't think they made it into 10. I think they are still in the projects/= tree... Last 2 posts on the topic that I've seen (Sep. 23, 2013): http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2013-September/043429.ht= ml http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-hackers/2013-September/043442.ht= ml > 2. I'm assuming jails still exist in FreeBSD (I haven=92t used BSD in a l= ong > time), how do they relate, or fit in, with VPS and Bhyve offerings? >=20 Yes. Changed slightly -- you configure jails in /etc/jail.conf now. Jails are enhanced by VPS and Bhyve offerings (which, the best of my knowle= dge, require jails). [skipping questions I can't answer] > 6. How stable is FreeBSD's ZFS implementation, relative to Solaris? What > zpool version is in FreeBSD 10? Is LZ4 the default compression mode? >=20 At $work we're actively deploying ZFS into production. It's very stable from our testing over several years. Mileage seems to depend on configuration complexity, but overall is extremely stable. The default zpool version is 28, but if you do a "zpool upgrade ..." you'll= then jump to the new 5000 version introduces "zfs feature flags". > 8. Has ports management gotten any better, specifically upgrading ports? > Can applications be self contained, like on the Mac, yet? Any work on > rollback with ZFS? >=20 For better ports management, you could look into poudriere. There's a tutor= ial on bsdnow.tv The idea is that you'll use poudriere to intelligently manage the ports you= want to roll binary packages. Then on 10 with the new `pkg' framework (formerly = known as PkgNg) those binary packages are intelligently applied. As for self-contained packages... I believe you want what is known as PBIs. However, I think only PC-BSD offers PBIs -- I don't think they are offered = in FreeBSD 10 by default (maybe there's a way though). I assume what you mean by "rollback with ZFS" is... "boot loader integratio= n with BEs so you can boot to a previous snapshot". Look for that in 10.1. > 9. I recall device support being a large hurtle for me in the past. How f= ar > behind is driver development relative to Linux, for server equipment? Has > there been any community interest in porting FreeBSD (world) to Linux > (kernel)? >=20 Driver support is improving. There's AMD KMS and many more new drivers. Knowing what kind of hardware you use would help answer the question better. We've been very happy with LSI MegaRAID/SAS support, Broadcom 10G iSCSI support, QLogic 8G FC support, and many many more. As for FreeBSD-world with Linux-kernel... that sounds like the exact opposi= te of the Debian kFreeBSD project (FreeBSD-kernel, Linux-world). I don't suppose there's much demand in that. People that want such a thing seem to be quite happy with ArchLinux -- which uses a BSD-style init framew= ork. There's also ArchBSD and ArchHurd. > 10. How is the Java ecosystem on FreeBSD? >=20 Well, daiblo-jdk is dead, long live OpenJDK? Seems to be the motions around here at $work. > I haven=92t used FreeBSD in ages. However, VPS, with ZFS, has me really > excited; Even more exciting, throw in VIMAGE, Geom Multipath, NETGRAPH, and sysutils= /zxfer. The possibilities are limitless as you bolt on more-and-more ^_^ > I don=92t enjoy Solaris, and Enterprise Linux is still stuck in > 2009, with kernel 2.6.32. I can=92t find any modern linux distributions t= hat > are as reliable as I remember FreeBSD was. It=92s really sad. Thanks! Come on back to FreeBSD. ;) you're always welcome! We won't discuss why you left in the first place ;) --=20 Devin _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 18:27:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C86383 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:27:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salin.laurent@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout4.laposte.net [193.253.67.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26C022B7 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.76.1] ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8507-out with ME id WJL91m00J4ivp8E03JLANb; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:20:10 +0200 Message-ID: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:20:09 +0200 From: Laurent SALIN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130824 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:27:49 -0000 Hello, I wondering how i can send queries to a dns resolver listening on a different port than the normaly 53 tcp/udp ? The situation: I've got a vps who running NSD as a autoritative nameserver, listening on tcp/udp 53 and unbound as personnal resolver, listening on a different tcp/udp port. It work very well on his own or with my OpenBSD gateway at home as DNS cache. Recently i've got a new FreeBSD VPS and I want to use the first VPS as DNS nameserver for the second VPS but FreeBSD is unable to send queries to nameserver on a different port as the normal one (tcp/udp 53). I've got a "bad" solution, use unbound on the second VPS and maybe tell him to ask the 1rst VPS on the unusual tcp/udp port, but I wonder myself if is it possible with Packet Filter to change the destination port of the queries forwarded to my 1rst VPS from tcp/udp 53 to tcp/udp 5353 for exemple ? Or maybe anybody got a other solution ? I hope you'll understand me :-/ Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 19:52:20 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4645FD for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from land.berklix.org (land.berklix.org [144.76.10.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DEA227B2 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBDAC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [93.203.218.196]) (authenticated bits=128) by land.berklix.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8RJqAZD087348; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:52:10 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r8RJpwM7032430; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:51:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost.js.berklix.net [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8RJpjEB063550; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:51:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201309271951.r8RJpjEB063550@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Nikolas Britton Subject: Re: General questions regarding FreeBSD 10 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:47:08 CDT." Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:51:45 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:52:20 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: Nikolas Britton > Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 12:47:08 -0500 Nikolas Britton wrote: > General questions regarding FreeBSD 10: > > 1. Did virtualization containers (VPS) make it into FreeBSD 10? The > documentation I’ve read implies that you can have nested containers, with > little to no performance penalty, is this correct? How is networking > handled inside these containers? > > 2. I'm assuming jails still exist in FreeBSD (I haven’t used BSD in a long > time), Then wait for the Release Announcement !!! Yuo'll read it when we do too. > how do they relate, or fit in, with VPS and Bhyve offerings? Is Xen > Dom0 or KVM available on FreeBSD? > > 3. Can Bhyve be used with processors that don't support Extended Page > Tables? For example, Xeon 5400 series processors? > > 4. How well does FreeBSD 10 run as a VMware vsphere , KVM, and/or Xen guest? > > 5: For Jails, VPS, and Bhyve, what is the footprint (i.e. memory overhead) > for each implementation? > > 6. How stable is FreeBSD's ZFS implementation, relative to Solaris? What > zpool version is in FreeBSD 10? Is LZ4 the default compression mode? > > 7. Is Clang and the build system setup to automatically target cpu > instruction set? i.e. cc -target-cpu corei7-avx? Any performance > improvements of targeted binaries? > > 8. Has ports management gotten any better, specifically upgrading ports? > Can applications be self contained, like on the Mac, yet? Any work on > rollback with ZFS? > > 9. I recall device support being a large hurtle for me in the past. How far > behind is driver development relative to Linux, for server equipment? Has > there been any community interest in porting FreeBSD (world) to Linux > (kernel)? > > 10. How is the Java ecosystem on FreeBSD? Is LLVM specific to applications? > I make the assumption that the VM in LLVM is referring to something like a > JVM, for code abstraction. > > I haven’t used FreeBSD in ages. Then you can afford to wait for the Release Announcement - like the rest of us - Or if you really wanted to know the answer to all these question, you wouldnt ask the questions@ list that was created for beginners quetions, you would go search the archives of the developer lists, & subscribe some. No subscribing a list doesnt mean you have to run it, just that you keep yourself informed & dont need to ask quaestions in advance of reality to the wrong list. > However, VPS, with ZFS, has me really > excited; I don’t enjoy Solaris, and Enterprise Linux is still stuck in > 2009, with kernel 2.6.32. I can’t find any modern linux distributions that > are as reliable as I remember FreeBSD was. It’s really sad. Thanks! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 20:05:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530D98C for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:05:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498482857 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.41]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B822165D for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:05:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:in-reply-to:references :subject:date; s=smtpout; bh=S5SevUDN3abP8evXPwD5EQmhqtE=; b=cWZ NDqDTJvs6UNKIZfcc+xx4p5GXZQ+QqbGJj4cof9WALmZj7GKeju5coPaQ9gB6cR7 GSvQH+8EQYiVPhzShdc44xHuwOBRgJAyhw0z9Z+9uT+/UBMn3mnbTiNm/Ow23aSD 4q4NEDvKxjYwL7D8jiYlmB+wRpv5TWkmpbXEr5Io= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id 27F86B0013C; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1380312339.4137.27329293.50F498E0@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: i5Ni/VFNQUODsFjP6EWQDRzZxGGGqmHv+wORgdPKABvy 1380312339 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-ce174988 In-Reply-To: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:05:39 -0500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:05:48 -0000 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013, at 13:20, Laurent SALIN wrote: > Hello, > I wondering how i can send queries to a dns resolver listening on a > different port than the normaly 53 tcp/udp ? > > The situation: > I've got a vps who running NSD as a autoritative nameserver, listening > on tcp/udp 53 and unbound as personnal resolver, listening on a > different tcp/udp port. It work very well on his own or with my OpenBSD > gateway at home as DNS cache. > Is there any way to use multiple IPs? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 20:29:02 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A561DE14 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [78.46.162.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63D68295A for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:29:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.130.11.108] (cm-84.210.76.250.getinternet.no [84.210.76.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE7A22E443; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:28:53 +0200 (CEST) References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <64991A25-6264-4D85-8888-0856A17BCE47@elde.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Terje Elde Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:28:52 +0200 To: Laurent SALIN Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:29:02 -0000 On 27. sep. 2013, at 20:20, Laurent SALIN wrote: > I've got a "bad" solution, use unbound on the second VPS and maybe tell > him to ask the 1rst VPS on the unusual tcp/udp port Why is that a "bad" solution? You'd cache locally, which is often considered a good thing? Granted, it's a bit of a weird setup, but still. Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 20:41:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8A8F5F for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loran42o@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout6.laposte.net [193.253.67.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A63B29FB for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from akagi.localnet ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8512-out with ME id WLh61m00s4ivp8E03Lh7aW; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:41:07 +0200 Message-ID: <5245EE74.9030802@laposte.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:45:40 +0200 From: loran42o User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <64991A25-6264-4D85-8888-0856A17BCE47@elde.net> In-Reply-To: <64991A25-6264-4D85-8888-0856A17BCE47@elde.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:41:10 -0000 Le 27/09/2013 22:28, Terje Elde a écrit : > Why is that a "bad" solution? > > You'd cache locally, which is often considered a good thing? > > Granted, it's a bit of a weird setup, but still. I hope it could be esay as put the ip of my "resolver VPS" in the /etc/resolv.conf and let PF translate the destination port. Does anybody know why in FreeBSD we can't set a alternative port in the /etc/resolv.conf as in the OpenBSD one ? (for my knowledge :-) Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 20:41:53 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7ECFF9 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loran42o@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout6.laposte.net [193.253.67.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10C02A0A for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from akagi.localnet ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8512-out with ME id WLaF1m00F4ivp8E03LaG8t; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:34:16 +0200 Message-ID: <5245ECD9.20304@laposte.net> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:38:49 +0200 From: loran42o User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <1380312339.4137.27329293.50F498E0@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1380312339.4137.27329293.50F498E0@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 20:41:53 -0000 > Is there any way to use multiple IPs? hi, no I can't. Each VPS got only one IPv4 and I'm really not aware yet about how IPv6 works. Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 21:32:04 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB3AFE6 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:32:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E1952C27 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VPfdg-00065L-8z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:31:54 +0200 Received: from 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl ([79.139.19.75]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:31:52 +0200 Received: from jb.1234abcd by 79-139-19-75.prenet.pl with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:31:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jb Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: sea.gmane.org User-Agent: Loom/3.14 (http://gmane.org/) X-Loom-IP: 79.139.19.75 (Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:23.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/23.0) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:32:04 -0000 Laurent SALIN laposte.net> writes: > > Hello, > I wondering how i can send queries to a dns resolver listening on a > different port than the normaly 53 tcp/udp ? > > The situation: > I've got a vps who running NSD as a autoritative nameserver, listening > on tcp/udp 53 and unbound as personnal resolver, listening on a > different tcp/udp port. It work very well on his own or with my OpenBSD > gateway at home as DNS cache. > > Recently i've got a new FreeBSD VPS and I want to use the first VPS as > DNS nameserver for the second VPS but FreeBSD is unable to send queries > to nameserver on a different port as the normal one (tcp/udp 53). > > I've got a "bad" solution, use unbound on the second VPS and maybe tell > him to ask the 1rst VPS on the unusual tcp/udp port, but I wonder myself > if is it possible with Packet Filter to change the destination port of > the queries forwarded to my 1rst VPS from tcp/udp 53 to tcp/udp 5353 for > exemple ? > > Or maybe anybody got a other solution ? > > I hope you'll understand me :-/ > > Laurent SALIN Well, I hope I understand you. You use DNS Proxy server, like BIND or DNSMASQ. With BIND you have options in /etc/named.conf: http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/queries.html forward forwarders I do not know how DNSMASQ configures it, if at all - you would have to download original package with full documentation. jb From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 22:04:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAC7629 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 607902D91 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (mux.fjl.org.uk [62.3.120.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8RM3xvG087729 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:03:59 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:03:59 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:04:08 -0000 On 27/09/2013 19:20, Laurent SALIN wrote: > Hello, > I wondering how i can send queries to a dns resolver listening on a > different port than the normaly 53 tcp/udp ? > > The situation: > I've got a vps who running NSD as a autoritative nameserver, listening > on tcp/udp 53 and unbound as personnal resolver, listening on a > different tcp/udp port. It work very well on his own or with my OpenBSD > gateway at home as DNS cache. > > Recently i've got a new FreeBSD VPS and I want to use the first VPS as > DNS nameserver for the second VPS but FreeBSD is unable to send queries > to nameserver on a different port as the normal one (tcp/udp 53). > > I've got a "bad" solution, use unbound on the second VPS and maybe tell > him to ask the 1rst VPS on the unusual tcp/udp port, but I wonder myself > if is it possible with Packet Filter to change the destination port of > the queries forwarded to my 1rst VPS from tcp/udp 53 to tcp/udp 5353 for > exemple ? > > Or maybe anybody got a other solution ? > > I hope you'll understand me :-/ > > Laurent SALIN > If I understand the way it works correctly, the resolver pulls a list of the NS and hard-sets the port number for each to 53 (via a manifest constant) . See libc/resolv/res_init.c. All you need to do(!) is change this to a value of your choice and recompile libc (and anything that links to it statically) and it should be sorted. Or find an easier work-around. I don't see any reason why the resolver library can't be modified to pick up a range of port numbers from the config (as other systems have), but AFAIK it can't. The resolver isn't part of the kernel - it's the application doing the lookup, not FreeBSD (except in libc being part of the base system). Oh you know what I mean! Each application makes its own lookup. I could be spectacularly out-of-date with this. Regards, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 22:08:48 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9349D4 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [78.46.162.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89EDF2DCF for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.130.11.108] (cm-84.210.76.250.getinternet.no [84.210.76.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3840F2E443; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:08:46 +0200 (CEST) References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Terje Elde Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:08:46 +0200 To: Frank Leonhardt Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:08:48 -0000 On 28. sep. 2013, at 00:03, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > If I understand the way it works correctly, the resolver pulls a list of t= he NS and hard-sets the port number for each to 53 (via a manifest constant)= . See libc/resolv/res_init.c. All you need to do(!) is change this to a val= ue of your choice and recompile libc Sorry, but this is startin to look a lot like a complicated solution to a pr= oblem that isn't really there... Why not just point from resolv.conf to localhost, run a caching and/or recur= sive dns-server there, and point it whereever? As far as I can tell, that'd solve everything, add caching, and let it all b= e controlled from the config of the DNS-server? Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 23:12:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99043DEF for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:12:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 21712214E for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (mux.fjl.org.uk [62.3.120.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8RNBuX7095351 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:11:57 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 00:11:58 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terje Elde Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> In-Reply-To: <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:12:07 -0000 On 27/09/2013 23:08, Terje Elde wrote: > On 28. sep. 2013, at 00:03, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> If I understand the way it works correctly, the resolver pulls a list of the NS and hard-sets the port number for each to 53 (via a manifest constant) . See libc/resolv/res_init.c. All you need to do(!) is change this to a value of your choice and recompile libc > Sorry, but this is startin to look a lot like a complicated solution to a problem that isn't really there... > It was more of an explanation as to /why/ it's not easy to do what asked in the original reasonable-sounding question. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 27 23:20:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360C9F66 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:20:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com (mail-ob0-f176.google.com [209.85.214.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 024AB21B0 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:20:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id uy5so3689525obc.35 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=zdMfyu5+HN+4U/GNySaItFi5Rj/wznzxjU1V8n8yq6U=; b=jgR5eHJ6ZZ3E7O9IoU73/69puufn1gvqvfqx+JqYlLG0w0thI77s3C/JlZ6ODkVp8a /yd8vPVDUgBZe0Snd7RuO4t64Yx4ODKi8sm7gvsE3n/QFMI2ytBlpySlEGuCagy3h2+O AkofHFumwdx8MuiUqZ6G68TSuctadY+8/O60s2SF80cBD2JSll5/SBkCnVvLnBxDCwHI +JdCA+jzIzny999Gt5rPwtaAlY+VCAySxxi/xnevD+eYy64KmFNNEeNr5Ry4tDnoPwSv QyXm4j3sBWxeaIEdhachjX3NR0C2AZCTFOTk7JrFYCCLxRjYPj9h6BDZtGwQghqCET/S 5wMw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmURBMa4V5Nd2Has0PF0A7hYn580m4Rp8lOAJ0eoKAYORg/V0o3rZqkxJa0QgqWWOeKqMKt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.121.137 with SMTP id lk9mr8052553obb.32.1380324001441; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.21.69 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:20:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:20:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 From: Michael Sierchio To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:20:08 -0000 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > On 27/09/2013 23:08, Terje Elde wrote: >> >> On 28. sep. 2013, at 00:03, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >> >>> If I understand the way it works correctly, the resolver pulls a list of >>> the NS and hard-sets the port number for each to 53 (via a manifest >>> constant) . See libc/resolv/res_init.c. All you need to do(!) is change this >>> to a value of your choice and recompile libc >> >> Sorry, but this is startin to look a lot like a complicated solution to a >> problem that isn't really there... >> > It was more of an explanation as to /why/ it's not easy to do what asked in > the original reasonable-sounding question. Beg to differ. The question isn't reasonable. There's no point in having a dns recursive resolver listening on a port other than the one that clients will contact it on. Far better to have the authoritative server listen on 127.53.0.1 and use the routable address for the cache, which can forward requests for the authoritative server when appropriate. - M From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 05:36:31 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 640FDB20 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 05:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juris.kaminskis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x235.google.com (mail-lb0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E757B23C9 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 05:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f181.google.com with SMTP id u14so2958033lbd.12 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:subject:message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5CDb3528pyckoyplj/Rd0qqONtt0lqWrrUbjoXlpA/A=; b=hslnTBFgfko/s0Nvw/IuyithuGVXaAODfrtRkjh4ThE3ePJ0bCO7aL1whgA8VPTvv7 AVioowuOwPZz+AuPlOz8+bMeaa/Z/BS9Y9EL+vRUgoqoQ1vzZdt7SKfNYf8AwiPOVK5y 1N6wnB/9sbCEd0QXr1xfpzhQSnWQHaD+Oh7Zie8w4kbF6Hf8yrSsw6DI8kEUmAGf+VAI ZPoOo33WUVwwRoTvMV7U+neHC9od35BzeLKWMABMrjzrYKhaMc/+nQi8LC4rc3/9bxxg DH7KMBWiF2FCo57jjtrt9h6Njkkv1SehHxmOSpkL4NIa7M6Y/y2oumJuThLRwJpiAUCV 4XHA== X-Received: by 10.152.9.37 with SMTP id w5mr8876896laa.23.1380346588034; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([91.105.66.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ua4sm8086816lbb.17.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:36:29 +0300 Subject: Freebsd-current kernel freezes Message-ID: From: Juris Kaminskis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 05:36:31 -0000 SGksCgpZZXN0ZXJkYXkgaSBtYWRlOgpTdm4gdXBkYXRlCk1ha2UgYnVpbGR3b3JsZApNYWtlIGJ1 aWxka2VybmVsCk1ha2UgaW5zdGFsbGtlcm5lbAoKQnV0IHdoZW4gSSByZWJvb3Qga2VybmVsIGZy ZWV6ZXMgd2l0aCBsYXN0IGxpbmUgcGNpMQoKSSBjYW4gb25seSBib290IG15IHByZXZpb3VzIGZy ZWVic2Q5LjIga2VybmVsLCBhbHJlYWR5IHRyaWVkIHNldmVyYWwgdGltZXMsIHNvIGNhbiB5b3Ug aGVscCBtZSBob3cgdG8gdHJvdWJsZXNob290PwpUa3MKSnVyaXM= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 06:50:32 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDFAB2B for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:50:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talayeh.asadi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x235.google.com (mail-qc0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6046299C for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id q4so2356077qcx.26 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:50:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=Zj1En+nqV9nTChB/MErtCH/O/veFiBLGNRzo29kkEfQ=; b=lmRXmaubt0LUtofSYTK2VIHfErVmkAyjsLpvNKP89aTO4colORkHPJ0MolyTiN397F Zu17rLDthhj1HbNIQ+rSQKrxSDi8gnQVwqO+vefpRbJ4hB+pAOJmqRWPm2cda0JQ8gUC JLFnO663+8YkxN9WY/GaaNIQ9zQl/x5CHEGF//qRoAnZHA2fus2qCWPW16NUomdKP/ox DBSahN5mv4t5Mj8nYmVpGETSIuuEhoH1iiFwxOCTbrH92be5+b+YskQbPQF98SKkTqn4 PILDFOrjEKjqT/nK3933sJb3L+uZ4TvlqOjdycOr8oHUaAJkv+i9q5WExPtCqCs6NItp d62A== X-Received: by 10.49.0.234 with SMTP id 10mr14265608qeh.67.1380351030493; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:50:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.49.117.100 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Talayeh Asadi Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:20:10 +0330 Message-ID: Subject: Throughput test with iperf.. To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:50:32 -0000 hi everyone, this might be a bit off-topic but i am really confused and in need of your helps.. :( i need to understand what exactly iperf does while testing network throughput? i'm trying to run a throughput+frame loss test on a router using iperf, and i am really confused with the definitions given for throughput and packet-loss and iperf output.. as i have seen through my searches, throughput is the maximum transfer rate at which we have no packet loss, so i thought i have to rerun iperf for different transfer rate(in udp test), so i reach maximun rate while having no drops... but i have seen test videos in which they ran iperf once, with maximum bandwidth of the line, and just used the reported throughput and packet loss as the required result! what's on? does iperf calculate the throughput independent from packet-loss? and why is it reporting it named as bandwidth?? thank you all.. Kind regards, t.a.k From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 06:52:26 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93822C18 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from talayeh.asadi@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qc0-x22a.google.com (mail-qc0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::22a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56F4C29D5 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qc0-f170.google.com with SMTP id m20so2354009qcx.15 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:52:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=TBkN22V9UnpyZB5s6ofBs9TqWwHWnAJLAcyT89qGAj4=; b=HaW55RKsf6LBBrGqvlyQh4KrIXs++HO+emcpsMxzzc1y4J8Q05gD5H4bf/WMc3Sw4n v+WtA/vsbSX7blnZkEOh1kYtrWz38FGLKx5x+Cy5mqniTOf/OQcvauABTT/OX/BqUYOY pbvJkCmi1JFI8KGjUU1uyw+iiULYcCidbwMb6tHvhb8EkaunQRn7MhIsQ88TJoZpOOLh q/CpZHDz2sEuQbaJJCKf6llBNBaMNAqkFn0wL0Hh9It21cR8Z6M3HoCB3hrd1xa8tVuD knUc1zX5e3IR+ZipKWgGh3IXwRcHhZSd4D26PCFM33J2/vk+NTN2ctHThrOHxFlWZEEb ARjQ== X-Received: by 10.49.51.67 with SMTP id i3mr14524137qeo.8.1380351145513; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:52:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: talayeh.asadi@gmail.com Received: by 10.49.117.100 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: takCoder Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:22:05 +0330 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VJlxfVKeAIcIj9mjbRAyFEkUKnk Message-ID: Subject: Throughput test with iperf... To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tak.official@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 06:52:26 -0000 hi everyone, this might be a bit off-topic but i am really confused and in need of your helps.. :( i need to understand what exactly iperf does while testing network throughput? i'm trying to run a throughput+frame loss test on a router using iperf, and i am really confused with the definitions given for throughput and packet-loss and iperf output.. as i have seen through my searches, throughput is the maximum transfer rate at which we have no packet loss, so i thought i have to rerun iperf for different transfer rate(in udp test), so i reach maximun rate while having no drops... but i have seen test videos in which they ran iperf once, with maximum bandwidth of the line, and just used the reported throughput and packet loss as the required result! what's on? does iperf calculate the throughput independent from packet-loss? and why is it reporting it named as bandwidth?? thank you all.. Kind regards, takcoder From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 07:37:10 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAA7102 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:37:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loran42o@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout3.laposte.net [193.253.67.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B2B2E48 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.76.1] ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8506-out with ME id WXd71m00D4ivp8E03Xd7a9; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:37:08 +0200 Message-ID: <52468723.5080701@laposte.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:37:07 +0200 From: loran42o User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130824 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> In-Reply-To: <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:37:10 -0000 Le 28.09.2013 00:08, Terje Elde a écrit : > On 28. sep. 2013, at 00:03, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > >> If I understand the way it works correctly, the resolver pulls a list of the NS and hard-sets the port number for each to 53 (via a manifest constant) . See libc/resolv/res_init.c. All you need to do(!) is change this to a value of your choice and recompile libc > > Sorry, but this is startin to look a lot like a complicated solution to a problem that isn't really there... > > Why not just point from resolv.conf to localhost, run a caching and/or recursive dns-server there, and point it whereever? > > As far as I can tell, that'd solve everything, add caching, and let it all be controlled from the config of the DNS-server? > > Terje Hi, I guess this is the way that'll end. Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 07:40:33 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FC0257 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:40:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loran42o@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout3.laposte.net [193.253.67.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2C12ECC for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:40:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.76.1] ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8506-out with ME id WXYv1m0014ivp8E03XYvBS; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:32:55 +0200 Message-ID: <52468626.4050505@laposte.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:32:54 +0200 From: loran42o User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130824 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:40:33 -0000 Le 27.09.2013 23:31, jb a écrit : > Well, I hope I understand you. > You use DNS Proxy server, like BIND or DNSMASQ. hi, actually I use two daemons, one to serve as a autoritative DNS server : nsd the other one to serve as a recursive DNS resolver with caching : unbound I can't set them both listening on the same tcp/udp 53 port, so i configure unbound to listen on a unusual one. My problem is, on my other FreeBSD box, I can't set a alternative port for nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf. > With BIND you have options in /etc/named.conf: > http://www.zytrax.com/books/dns/ch7/queries.html > forward > forwarders If I can't use PF to solve this, maybe I'll have to take a look at BIND. Thanks Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 07:40:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4630D2EE for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:40:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from loran42o@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout3.laposte.net [193.253.67.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9C82ED7 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.76.1] ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8506-out with ME id WXgo1m00F4ivp8E03Xgpx8; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:40:49 +0200 Message-ID: <52468800.8040401@laposte.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:40:48 +0200 From: loran42o User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130824 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 07:40:50 -0000 Le 28.09.2013 01:11, Frank Leonhardt a écrit : > It was more of an explanation as to /why/ it's not easy to do what asked > in the original reasonable-sounding question. Hi, Thanks for the explanation of how it works from the behind. I don't think I'll compile and maintain my own libc just for DNS queries :-) Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 08:58:07 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59204BBD for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA2412814 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id r8S8Rxqf040793; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:28:00 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:27:59 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: yudi v Subject: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20130928180957.L1460@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 08:58:07 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 486, Issue 5, Message: 18 On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:37:55 +1000 yudi v wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full disk > encryption. My set-up is listed below. So I am going to have an encrypted > container and ZFS on top. There are two options for the swap with this > set-up, either use a swap file on the ZFS pool or use a separate partition > for swap and encrypt that. What I want to know is will either of this work > with suspend to disk. FreeBSD does not support suspend to disk (ACPI state S4) at all. It's been some years since I last heard of any attempts to implement STD. Suspend to RAM (state S3) works on some machines, including mine. If it works on yours then I suspect use of ZFS shouldn't be an extra issue. I haven't used ZFS, so can't comment on the rest of your message(s). cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 09:07:27 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131D0DF2 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from juris.kaminskis@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 958EE2911 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f44.google.com with SMTP id eo20so2946908lab.17 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:subject:message-id:from:to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=M3OfH0KZQKY2kzlMfweQNEWhKW5BO6zp+8ikpf83jNw=; b=PXvEh0geg8/V1ufkBCjJnJQFdsi8DCtaFTGaXuAR7vFMwoUTc+19+ZUZq0q5x7WKP1 VqHSvqNxHr9CXrKmkMDo2ZhZQAKF70h6GD4FrIphnNE/XVTpxvc/nOI++VHo7M/YMWi5 JM43OZYTGoys6s0L7f00kusYASJubiFvWqJzTOwDDyfjFhI42E2C2N+poDQjtvk+TFza Nx4qEXTxAu9Mwuw35hN57tUh3GqCLOPuGAURnlXTsnBbFWBYUXYBTw1U0LSFhNYd3fLn QxUOL6+LdD5LhxxDoScdUhTG4RvlBq5wLhZWFAXL85UW2HVN40rWBBXNwt7htY1juVLH lxaQ== X-Received: by 10.112.57.49 with SMTP id f17mr12585847lbq.26.1380359244465; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:07:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([91.105.66.61]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ac2sm8599107lbc.10.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 02:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:07:29 +0300 Subject: ATB.: Freebsd-current kernel freezes Message-ID: From: Juris Kaminskis To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Juris Kaminskis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:07:27 -0000 CgpKdXJpcyBLYW1pbnNraXMgPGp1cmlzLmthbWluc2tpc0BnbWFpbC5jb20+IHJha3N0xKtqYToK Cj5IaSwKPgo+WWVzdGVyZGF5IGkgbWFkZToKPlN2biB1cGRhdGUKPk1ha2UgYnVpbGR3b3JsZAo+ TWFrZSBidWlsZGtlcm5lbAo+TWFrZSBpbnN0YWxsa2VybmVsCj4KPkJ1dCB3aGVuIEkgcmVib290 IGtlcm5lbCBmcmVlemVzIHdpdGggbGFzdCBsaW5lIHBjaTEKPgo+SSBjYW4gb25seSBib290IG15 IHByZXZpb3VzIGZyZWVic2Q5LjIga2VybmVsLCBhbHJlYWR5IHRyaWVkIHNldmVyYWwgdGltZXMs IHNvIGNhbiB5b3UgaGVscCBtZSBob3cgdG8gdHJvdWJsZXNob290Pwo+VGtzCj5KdXJpcw== From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 10:52:34 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C58F2A8 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:52:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from demelier.david@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 296EE2451 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f47.google.com with SMTP id f12so3652745wgh.26 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 03:52:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7d33G93T0MbAgF1xhVzvyZ9ysINgqUrh450h96txfXk=; b=IIBqcqW45Rm7rbvHTwAVP8oP7nrd+86MF4r/avqtv3Kg5izzqxQDQlwfAfGwNYme+N CkUbo5OGBeUOd5HMbl75Eqt2IVbMQLSZ5xx0Uj3WNf8oqrXNZC8V36O2GvN8Er/zDI7c YjyvixAXy0rV32oBBBVDt/atrMAnjzi8lRE5p3fNJq6U/9Kpy5XLyY1kx7N6ajN9mA/n tJ5uai4OSZREftvs3r11IAE9jqFolWfFvxLfj1TQ/UEobnTP2STS5QreetJIQMT52CxG FkNvp1a5yqLthguN2IAyrKz51Vt2XmgWfEujMnedDlsSJIJ4D2ooMUKRFmACJgUPDzqq CycQ== X-Received: by 10.180.10.136 with SMTP id i8mr6211110wib.46.1380365552579; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 03:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.10] (171.33.91.91.rev.sfr.net. [91.91.33.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sh5sm1122268wic.11.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 03:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5246B4E4.3060002@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:52:20 +0200 From: David Demelier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130830 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with stoping process References: <1118838194.20111215210050@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <1118838194.20111215210050@yandex.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:52:34 -0000 On 15.12.2011 20:00, Êîíüêîâ Åâãåíèé wrote: > I am trying to stop process > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/radiusd top > Stopping radiusd. > Waiting for PIDS: 27618 > > top > 27618 freeradius 2 20 -20 333M 295M STOP 0 4:42 0.00% radiusd > > ps aux > freeradius 27618 0.0 7.4 341144 302528 ?? T > nothing is happen > > Why process do not stop? > Does it stops when you kill it by hand with kill -15 27618? David. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 12:37:03 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0061763A for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ooomka@yandex.ru) Received: from forward3h.mail.yandex.net (forward3h.mail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:f05::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19EC29E4 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (smtp2h.mail.yandex.net [84.201.187.145]) by forward3h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id DAD7013610DF for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:36:58 +0400 (MSK) Received: from smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id AB0EF1701D33 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:36:58 +0400 (MSK) Received: from unknown (unknown [188.191.233.117]) by smtp2h.mail.yandex.net (nwsmtp/Yandex) with ESMTP id FhtzXoVKPx-awiWu0o5; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:36:58 +0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.ru; s=mail; t=1380371818; bh=ZjO2BrfkU98JdiOIoTGD7cJ+RvWfQfcr6xPRhWLQ4Ao=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type; b=ZIA1UWIhVRmEDFZiu8wZI8qdcPF+C4EcvC2OO9QmdHVF8cn8VwCzMI7PnNfql+Tgo /LgVlt0HFP8EXvyW1AzsIQzMC4rnm1afvqM6ht/6uaV9UXw3LlrDReZPpcdfh1jYgS nFhKaotSdeXWVTMv6OIRWZOPppbgNR365Q5FZf04= Authentication-Results: smtp2h.mail.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.ru Message-ID: <5246CD48.9070605@yandex.ru> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:36:24 +0300 From: Sergiy Mikhailushko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: ASUS U46E laptop brightness Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070201020405070309090704" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:37:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070201020405070309090704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all Could you please help me with a little annoying problem concerning laptop backlight? I've got ASUS U46E laptop running FreeBSD 9-STABLE amd64. The problem is that backlight is always set to maximum value. Pressing Fn+F5 (brightness down) has no effect, just yielding the following to /var/log/messages: ACPI Error: Result stack is empty! State=0xfffffe00017fa800 (20110527/dswstate-113) ACPI Exception: AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, Missing or null operand (20110527/dsutils-695) ACPI Exception: AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE, While creating Arg 0 (20110527/dsutils-821) ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.PCI0.GFX0.GCBL] (Node 0xfffffe000181f600), AE_AML_NO_RETURN_VALUE (20110527/psparse-560) What I've tried: 1) Flashed the latest BIOS version from ASUS website (ver301) 2) Upgraded OS to the latest STABLE version (last upgrade Aug 30 2013) 3) Loading acpi_asus module: # kldload acpi_asus # sysctl -a | grep asus # 4) Loading acpi_video module: # sysctl hw.acpi.video.lcd0.active=1 hw.acpi.video.lcd0.active: 0 -> 0 # sysctl hw.acpi.video.lcd0.fullpower=60 hw.acpi.video.lcd0.fullpower: 100 -> 60 # sysctl hw.acpi.video.lcd0.economy=60 hw.acpi.video.lcd0.economy: 77 -> 60 # sysctl hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness=60 hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness: 60 -> 60 Values are changed but brightness doesn't 5) Using acpi_call utility (not sure what value should be changed, tried acpi_call -p '\_SB_.PCI0.GFX0.GCBL' and acpi_call -p '\_SB_.PCI0.LPCB.EC0_._Q0E' -- both resulting in Unknown object type '0') # uname -a FreeBSD toysrv 9.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 9.2-PRERELEASE #2 r255810: Fri Sep 27 14:27:49 EEST 2013 oomka@toysrv:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/TOYSRV amd64 # acpidump -dt > u46e.asl [gzipped file attached] I used to run i386 FreeBSD on this laptop -- the brightness control was okay on it. There were often kernel panics on that architecture so I've switched to amd64. Panics disappeared and the things work fine so far, except the screen brightness. I know that my problem isn't critical when I'm working on daylight or with external LCD display, but when I have to work at the laptop at night -- this spotlight really drives me crazy. Thank you in advance for your help. --------------070201020405070309090704-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 12:54:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBA9858 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:54:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c.kworr@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com (mail-la0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA9802AB3 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id es20so3090590lab.10 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=73/yeSPIGr/1+KvhIUdIhzasa28aMwqfVpx+9yFAnqE=; b=mjyoUG0HwBGQyWyERVfeSOf1MjyOOsM6+fRI6h2Ubv6rETXm6V/i2YdBlqo2C/SW8w z2qK6cVqFmrMwJQWfUp19S4QuN1hyReiG61vjT+DMSgxYLC2qhF3BapasazkcZ3fG3dJ JS0f26NeyuOU8xGDTpEFyjF7ncr9HNqs6Ow/n3QDMgiIqn5qVnb0gN78K8keS69xUEbH xWDhH60VgHLr2A//OgNS1TgQb3e/ahBBu1CbRbL0FfMFoXP2s6ciGqKQyawGDwN2mUgn aMjzr1KISeQMl6TX/qGam9cqJbYzkeIMjSmuLpSXAvQSVxOD0eNFngWQlXDvYwoKREwA 0f6A== X-Received: by 10.112.172.137 with SMTP id bc9mr13191406lbc.21.1380372850093; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 05:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.126] (mau.donbass.com. [92.242.127.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id vs11sm10453993lac.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 05:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5246D167.1020406@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:53:59 +0300 From: Volodymyr Kostyrko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General questions regarding FreeBSD 10 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:54:13 -0000 27.09.2013 20:47, Nikolas Britton wrote: > 7. Is Clang and the build system setup to automatically target cpu > instruction set? i.e. cc -target-cpu corei7-avx? Any performance > improvements of targeted binaries? Nope, because you can't just ship a full list of packages for a full list of processors on the given architecture. You can build your world/packages though adding -march=native to CFLAGS. > 10. How is the Java ecosystem on FreeBSD? Is LLVM specific to applications? > I make the assumption that the VM in LLVM is referring to something like a > JVM, for code abstraction. No, LLVM is rather a backend with a lot of copmiler and toolchain stuff. There's a Java/.NET rewrite using LLVM named vmkit and I think JVM there is almost functional. But it's not even in the ports. -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 13:50:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AFC46C for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:50:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F24D32D4C for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (mux.fjl.org.uk [62.3.120.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r8SDogK2004486 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:50:43 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Message-ID: <5246DEB3.7090002@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:50:43 +0100 From: Frank Leonhardt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:50:46 -0000 On 28/09/2013 00:20, Michael Sierchio wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >> On 27/09/2013 23:08, Terje Elde wrote: >>> On 28. sep. 2013, at 00:03, Frank Leonhardt wrote: >>> >>>> If I understand the way it works correctly, the resolver pulls a list of >>>> the NS and hard-sets the port number for each to 53 (via a manifest >>>> constant) . See libc/resolv/res_init.c. All you need to do(!) is change this >>>> to a value of your choice and recompile libc >>> Sorry, but this is startin to look a lot like a complicated solution to a >>> problem that isn't really there... >>> >> It was more of an explanation as to /why/ it's not easy to do what asked in >> the original reasonable-sounding question. > Beg to differ. The question isn't reasonable. There's no point in > having a dns recursive resolver listening on a port other than the one > that clients will contact it on. > > Far better to have the authoritative server listen on 127.53.0.1 and > use the routable address for the cache, which can forward requests for > the authoritative server when appropriate. > > The original qustion was actually "I wondering how I can send queries to a dns resolver listening on a different port than the normaly 53 tcp/udp?" Given that BIND can happily listen on ports other than 53 and OpenBSD allows a port to be specified against each nameserver in resolv.conf, it does not seem an unreasonable question to me. Read the rest of the post quoted selectively above for the full story. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 14:04:50 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECF7840 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:04:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from blue.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79F2E2DE7 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r8SDefLb036914; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:40:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <5246DC59.8050007@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:40:41 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nikolas Britton , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: General questions regarding FreeBSD 10 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:04:51 -0000 On 27/09/2013 18:47, Nikolas Britton wrote: > General questions regarding FreeBSD 10: Others have answered specific questions, for a general overview you might care to read this http://www.freebsdnews.net/2013/09/20/freebsd-10s-new-technologies-and-features/ and the FreeBSD 10 Wiki page that it links to. -- In the dungeons of Mordor, Sauron bred Orcs with LOLcats to create a new race of servants. Called Uruk-Oh-Hai in the Black Speech, they were cruel and delighted in torturing spelling and grammar. _Lord of the Rings 2.0, the Web Edition_ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 14:25:41 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28218C7E for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2CC32EC1 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from slackbox.erewhon.net (slackbox.xs4all.nl [213.84.242.160]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r8SEPXwQ065718; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rsmith@xs4all.nl) Received: by slackbox.erewhon.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1FAFB12382; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:33 +0200 From: Roland Smith To: yudi v Subject: Re: Is it possible to suspend to disk with geli+Root on ZFS installation Message-ID: <20130928142533.GA94941@slackbox.erewhon.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-GPG-Fingerprint: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 X-GPG-Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rsmith/pubkey.txt X-GPG-Notice: If this message is not signed, don't assume I sent it! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:25:41 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 05:37:55PM +1000, yudi v wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > Is it possible to suspend to disk (hibernate) when using geli for full di= sk > encryption.=20 As far as I can tell, FreeBSD doesn't support suspend to disk on all architectures. On amd64 the necessary infrastructure doesn't exist, and on i386 FPU state is lost, there is no multiprocessor support and some MSRs are not restored [1]. [1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume And even suspend to RAM doesn't work on every machine [2]. [2]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IdeasPage#Suspend_to_disk Roland --=20 R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] pgp: 1A2B 477F 9970 BA3C 2914 B7CE 1277 EFB0 C321 A725 (KeyID: C321A725) --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.21 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlJG5t0ACgkQEnfvsMMhpyUnTACbBDhYizDbDOH5fwrhYn3T9rvz vIkAnRzRadLsAMemN/gso26Md/fU4DvA =52FV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 16:32:11 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75664AE9 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:32:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [78.46.162.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 30B542508 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.165.194.4] (2.150.52.162.tmi.telenormobil.no [2.150.52.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 20AE52E449; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:32:08 +0200 (CEST) References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> <5246DEB3.7090002@fjl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5246DEB3.7090002@fjl.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Terje Elde Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:32:00 +0200 To: Frank Leonhardt Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:32:11 -0000 On 28. sep. 2013, at 15:50, Frank Leonhardt wrote: > Given that BIND can happily listen on ports other than 53 and OpenBSD allo= ws a port to be specified against each nameserver in resolv.conf, it does no= t seem an unreasonable question to me. Just to avoid any misunderstanding...=20 Not sure if I misunderstood what you're trying to do, but the way I recall i= t, you have two boxes, one running with one recursive and one authoritative n= ameserver, and you wanted a second box to quey the recursive nameserver on t= he first box, which is running on another port than 53? Given your setup, that's a valid question.=20 It's getting down to patching the resolver I felt was a bit overkill, and a p= ossible source of future pain.=20 How to solve it is a perfectly valid question.=20 Personally I'd just think it cleaner to solve it by running a caching resolv= er on the second host (on port 53), that could forward queries where you'd l= ike, rather than patching or usik firewall redirects.=20 Terje= From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 16:52:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2206656 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:52:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.44.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFCDF2648 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway.dreamchaser.org. [12.32.36.73]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id r8SGqfgU037975 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Message-ID: <52470959.9050904@dreamchaser.org> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0600 From: Gary Aitken User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130730 Thunderbird/17.0.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: after pkgng update, daily run still using pkg_info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [12.32.36.65]); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:52:41 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:52:50 -0000 After switching to pkgng, I noticed that my daily run output constantly complains about the installed packages being corrupt, e.g.: "pkg_info: the package info for package 'asciidoc-8.6.8_1' is corrupt" The problem is with etc/periodic/daily/490.status-pkg-changes which is still using "pkg_info" instead of "pkg info" Was this script supposed to be automatically updated as part of the conversion? What's the "right" way to upgrade this on a 9.1 release system? Or should I just edit the script by hand and be done with it? Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 17:16:21 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCBAC67 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:16:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salin.laurent@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout6.laposte.net [193.253.67.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7EB276E for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.76.1] ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8511-out with ME id WhGJ1m00F4ivp8E03hGJg8; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:16:18 +0200 Message-ID: <52470EE1.5060004@laposte.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:16:17 +0200 From: Laurent SALIN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130824 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> <5246DEB3.7090002@fjl.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:16:21 -0000 Le 28.09.2013 18:32, Terje Elde a écrit : > Not sure if I misunderstood what you're trying to do, but the way I recall it, you have two boxes, one running with one recursive and one authoritative nameserver, and you wanted a second box to quey the recursive nameserver on the first box, which is running on another port than 53? You just right > Given your setup, that's a valid question. that's why I submit it to the FreeBSD-Question list :-) > It's getting down to patching the resolver I felt was a bit overkill, and a possible source of future pain. > > How to solve it is a perfectly valid question. I was hoping it'll be possible to map destination port with Packet Filter from nameserver:53 to nameserver:5353 for exemple. > Personally I'd just think it cleaner to solve it by running a caching resolver on the second host (on port 53), that could forward queries where you'd like, rather than patching or usik firewall redirects. I guess that's how I'll fix my problem Thanks, Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 19:28:37 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790731CF for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2001:470:1d:8da::100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F5782DDE for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:470:89e9:1:feed::1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3cnKfq0Ncwz1DP4 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BigBloat (bigbloat.24cl.home [10.20.1.4]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3cnKfp0kQhz1nZY for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <201309281528140924.0128A336@smtp.24cl.home> In-Reply-To: <52470EE1.5060004@laposte.net> References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> <5246DEB3.7090002@fjl.co.uk> <52470EE1.5060004@laposte.net> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:28:14 -0400 From: "Mike." To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:28:37 -0000 On 9/28/2013 at 7:16 PM Laurent SALIN wrote: |Le 28.09.2013 18:32, Terje Elde a =E9crit : |> Not sure if I misunderstood what you're trying to do, but the way I |recall it, you have two boxes, one running with one recursive and one |authoritative nameserver, and you wanted a second box to quey the |recursive nameserver on the first box, which is running on another port |than 53? | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D The way I solved this problem on my setup, I assigned another IP address to the network interface via ifconfig alias. I put the authoritative namesever on one IP address, and the recursive nameserver on the other IP address. They both are still listening on port 53, but on different IP addresses. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 19:57:08 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A49CF8 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:57:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 686802F4D for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.46]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD94321C44 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:57:06 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=message-id:from:to:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to :references; s=smtpout; bh=1MwSY2Pgbl7gwEedyzXG+3Y7CG0=; b=AVbTc QtOzbr1F5EMetw2obJucd2T5f967IiglZWlJ1dvrpNGUnWo57kT/Y21FSmB+NbDN Gg4+gZ+KN83Jya8KMnrf3voe6TxaeRmGRfD+C58WJxXurWt9x8Z39BSBK2QjCzdu gLikA2gI/B2rjeZGhyDBArb1h25TPzsAT0mBCs= Received: by web3.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix, from userid 99) id B81A8B0013C; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1380398226.30638.27610565.609ED96A@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: kL64PB2HVcIH4V+PFAyAFTdOFqL70gp2CfR8okQ02iJY 1380398226 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-ce174988 Subject: Re: after pkgng update, daily run still using pkg_info Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:57:06 -0500 In-Reply-To: <52470959.9050904@dreamchaser.org> References: <52470959.9050904@dreamchaser.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 19:57:08 -0000 Run pkg_info. If there is anything listed you have not fully converted to pkgng and have some old broken/corrupt packages. You'll want to clean this up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 20:31:46 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53FBE60B for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from salin.laurent@laposte.net) Received: from smtpout.laposte.net (smtpout5.laposte.net [193.253.67.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E943A2135 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:31:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.76.1] ([62.147.142.218]) by mwinf8510-out with ME id WkQ61m0014ivp8E03kQ7Mb; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:24:08 +0200 Message-ID: <52473AE5.6050002@laposte.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 22:24:05 +0200 From: Laurent SALIN User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130824 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> <5246DEB3.7090002@fjl.co.uk> <52470EE1.5060004@laposte.net> <201309281528140924.0128A336@smtp.24cl.home> In-Reply-To: <201309281528140924.0128A336@smtp.24cl.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:31:46 -0000 Le 28.09.2013 21:28, Mike. a écrit : > The way I solved this problem on my setup, I assigned another IP > address to the network interface via ifconfig alias. > > I put the authoritative namesever on one IP address, and the > recursive nameserver on the other IP address. > > They both are still listening on port 53, but on different IP > addresses. hi, If I could it would be just fine. I got only one public IPv4 with each VPS. I've got a IPv6 too but I'm not easy with IPv6 yet. The provider (Tilaa) where I rent one of the 2 VPS, the one who may need 2 IPv4, is a bit short about his range of IPv4 and I guess it's not raisonable to ask for a second IPv4 just for my personal use in case of studying *BSD and networking stuff, I don't have a professional use here. Thanks. Laurent SALIN From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 28 21:14:13 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0627DC94 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:14:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dan@buildingonline.com) Received: from alisocreek.buildingonline.net (alisocreek.buildingonline.net [204.109.62.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D046D2314 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by alisocreek.buildingonline.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 03944BCA365; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:05:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on alisocreek.buildingonline.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from [192.168.1.247] (unknown [206.127.77.66]) (Authenticated sender: dan@dpcsys.com) by alisocreek.buildingonline.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A7354BC9E02; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:05:33 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: How to ask a DNS resolver listening on a different port than the tcp/udp 53 From: Busarow Dan In-Reply-To: <52473AE5.6050002@laposte.net> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:05:33 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <35A6D3B1-EC90-4D28-B1A0-651E4F8326FC@buildingonline.com> References: <5245CC59.5060204@laposte.net> <524600CF.3040609@fjl.co.uk> <13463C66-C15D-48E0-B926-CA0BF6580CAD@elde.net> <524610BE.4020904@fjl.co.uk> <5246DEB3.7090002@fjl.co.uk> <52470EE1.5060004@laposte.net> <201309281528140924.0128A336@smtp.24cl.home> <52473AE5.6050002@laposte.net> To: Laurent SALIN X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:14:13 -0000 On Sep 28, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Laurent SALIN = wrote: > Le 28.09.2013 21:28, Mike. a =E9crit : >> The way I solved this problem on my setup, I assigned another IP >> address to the network interface via ifconfig alias. >>=20 >> I put the authoritative namesever on one IP address, and the >> recursive nameserver on the other IP address. >>=20 >> They both are still listening on port 53, but on different IP >> addresses. >=20 > hi, > If I could it would be just fine. > I got only one public IPv4 with each VPS. I've got a IPv6 too but I'm > not easy with IPv6 yet. >=20 > The provider (Tilaa) where I rent one of the 2 VPS, the one who may = need > 2 IPv4, is a bit short about his range of IPv4 and I guess it's not > raisonable to ask for a second IPv4 just for my personal use in case = of > studying *BSD and networking stuff, I don't have a professional use = here. You only need to run one name server. It is both authoritative and = recursive by default. To limit recursion to only your own IP address = space add the following option in named.conf options { allow-recursion { 192.168.1.0/24; 127.0.0.1; }; }; Change the address space to suit. Make sure you include localhost. And after an rndc reload only your internal network will be able to make = recursive requests. Dan >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Laurent SALIN > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"