From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 06:53:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD65A02637 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 06:53:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76A3915EA for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 06:53:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t8D6rLr8006399; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 00:53:21 -0600 Message-Id: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Polytropon Subject: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 00:53:21 -0600 From: reg@dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 06:53:35 -0000 I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't get lpd to work. Here is where I stand. I have the environment variabalee setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 dns sees the printer % nslookup HPLJ4100 Server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: HPLJ4100.dwf.com Address: 192.168.64.30 I have lpd_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf I have set service lpd start numerous times, and lpd is running. my printcap keeps changing, but currently reads HP-DP:\ :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ :rp=raw:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: when I do a lpr sum.ps of a postscript file, I see root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer if I take the 9100@ out of the printcap file, viz HP-DP:\ :rm=HPLJ4100:\ :rp=raw:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ :mx#0:\ :sh: I see for the lpr root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer so thats the same. I have tried about a thousand vaiations, anc always see root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpq lpq: printer not found I must be doing something basic that is wrong, but I dont see ir. Someone tell me what Im doing wrong, this can't be this hard. Reg Clemens clemens@dwf.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 08:10:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B9AA0203C for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 08:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87CA61366 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 08:10:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olivier2553@gmail.com) Received: by iofb144 with SMTP id b144so138221437iof.1 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 01:10:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cqwzaPND0x8HSfwIEH1/u7TaZ4SABnjS2CNVUoruSOc=; b=mTMDOsjuHphnElYemcC6885RmaDMihCVzBIX7Cqr+DvjlsENsLquPvN7/Nt5e2JYAI 1d6BWX90iF6ryId2zW9ChNA1IbBy1yaqsH6xaSfYENUFRkkXv2ZOsU8fPsTeO/S1iCKn tzuumSS0onwEg7cavQvO/6FMC3ZnGXNuvsFUKmW3Xrb83ZuVOvaQ6pQGG5a4SiTEgBP5 oP7FgxG/REGVM47n6GodRK8jXVTHVyvk078VQgCt1WlFgKhK4oBhSn7wiZ1q9llki4EB EWw71ofoJLS9aQU+uUGA9/9PozhPCDCFy2ny4vPilxZYxGDE8t4IIDgyLSxHpvJfzsZR I5bg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.164.91 with SMTP id n88mr16633569ioe.88.1442131841959; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 01:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.98.195 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 01:10:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:10:41 +0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem From: Olivier Nicole To: reg@dwf.com Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 08:10:42 -0000 Hi according to the documentation, you shoud use lp=9100@HP... instead of rm= Olivier On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 1:53 PM, wrote: > I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under > FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might > just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't > get lpd to work. > > Here is where I stand. > > I have the environment variabalee > > setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 > > dns sees the printer > > % nslookup HPLJ4100 > Server: 127.0.0.1 > Address: 127.0.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: HPLJ4100.dwf.com > Address: 192.168.64.30 > > I have > > lpd_enable="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf > > I have set > > service lpd start > > numerous times, and lpd is running. > > my printcap keeps changing, but currently reads > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > when I do a > > lpr sum.ps > > of a postscript file, I see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > if I take the 9100@ out of the printcap file, viz > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > I see for the lpr > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > so thats the same. > > I have tried about a thousand vaiations, anc always see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpq > lpq: printer not found > > I must be doing something basic that is wrong, but I dont see ir. > Someone tell me what Im doing wrong, this can't be this hard. > > Reg Clemens > clemens@dwf.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 11:44:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C71A03907 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:44:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) Received: from nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm9-vm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.145]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A66891D4D for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:44:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emorrasg@yahoo.es) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.es; s=s2048; t=1442144505; bh=KNQubcl1AWDFwTMGwMB58bkchVTHsGPWjHrb/6FwTCg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=I64KrOgz+JlaGcCgjobHPMxV8rypc+MghcOaoc69Px6OPAfx9Ou7vgmBh0AK6XbOCFQliZoofcePLrzl075EwTXgHRxaZg/4q/WrZ3ZzhLoAzu7UeV+VVW/dvldWxXUf6JDzY+1G+arrOUrqfoNgCnF8fLySBTVlc5tV7l3dXXR2Vezjo2tUaRZ+Et2UB46fSUpqgvL/6svl2p0F/ms+ao2wW2Bmrl7OdTfyKGOBE+WcgrxOA2Gva1Vqvid8ewGckwjddMdV++yb0gJyM5f2K7cmmGHe52lb0zypik0AGj8TZcSoNCYkn6TnPkRYJqx9ErR5JTaJ+YY8y7r4IGKDuQ== Received: from [212.82.98.60] by nm9.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2015 11:41:45 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.93] by tm13.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2015 11:41:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Sep 2015 11:41:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 287141.34441.bm@smtp130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: eI6Z6AwVM1nKQQgQqZ2hdLiSPZnptfNrVs0hsoE2nuvXaQR asKEbqBPzdDP4jiFnh3kcgnPl1XB7PgY1ZHiYjNLO5mDwu2AJ813Nk5bQruX V8a5dQjxR9ROk_iaUI8cOqFCk_8x1dsjMXFDp5X96mF9zBtHBQMG4Z_bpc8v eNvT1O9a_ML1za5d0Regjf1WDwC.AbuYvOs7F9ejEjR3Hpo7z1y0eCCAuDtP f5Wu6orwWhg5aHkO6NMIc6tOUr4aBR6x4d2LEXGFA9DkPKLquUGTF6nyiWm7 RcFHocMaaJpw9gYfcqBkEq_Y72ezfgqInL.ofk8MDm3agaC0gN8dOvqVTSJt 8_41pNfyzd5mhqg8TbHPVtv57fqqBKSfqP8196hpTLQjtalkLgcDrQdwYacB ZOCDgiMm9dJhdLArV5PxIcN_9cCk0wBc9zWeF4xpvfUNQMGEiQY4wIavmUzP G7at5CLPFf4NHk1eLwhiecEmt7f2xx5xnOE8sMWUYV9yWjDYZNLd_r3QPlcA G6RYjYMmuyZAum2h9E9GG1XelmsILMBAqUtllU9HBx6z3WCLlG9Wc X-Yahoo-SMTP: mX392iiswBAeJNdO_s.EW62LZDJR Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:41:49 +0200 From: Eduardo Morras To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Recording from two microphones Message-Id: <20150913134149.25d126df32bd6516d2e01368@yahoo.es> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.3 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 11:44:13 -0000 Hello, I'm using FreeBSD 10.2 and want to record audio from my laptop microphone and from external microphone connected to mic entrance from a headset. Can it done under FreeBSD? Using mixer I set only one record device. Is it a hardware limitation? Thanks in advance --- --- Eduardo Morras From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 12:22:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F01FA024C6 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33F86139D for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:22:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from kw.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t8DBwEL0046297; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:58:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem To: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> Cc: Polytropon From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <55F564D6.3090106@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:58:14 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:22:30 -0000 On 2015-09-13 08:53, reg@dwf.com wrote: > I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under > FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might > just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't > get lpd to work. > > Here is where I stand. > > I have the environment variabalee > > setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 Remove the equal sign. > dns sees the printer > > % nslookup HPLJ4100 > Server: 127.0.0.1 > Address: 127.0.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: HPLJ4100.dwf.com > Address: 192.168.64.30 > > I have > > lpd_enable="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf > > I have set > > service lpd start > > numerous times, and lpd is running. > > my printcap keeps changing, but currently reads > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > when I do a > > lpr sum.ps > > of a postscript file, I see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > if I take the 9100@ out of the printcap file, viz > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > I see for the lpr > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > so thats the same. > > I have tried about a thousand vaiations, anc always see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpq > lpq: printer not found > > I must be doing something basic that is wrong, but I dont see ir. > Someone tell me what Im doing wrong, this can't be this hard. > > Reg Clemens > clemens@dwf.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 12:23:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C60AA02621 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B81171486 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:23:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61AEF3CEC0; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:23:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8DCNLLK003793; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:23:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:23:21 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Bernt Hansson Cc: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem Message-Id: <20150913142321.293c85e2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55F564D6.3090106@bananmonarki.se> References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> <55F564D6.3090106@bananmonarki.se> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:23:32 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:58:14 +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: > On 2015-09-13 08:53, reg@dwf.com wrote: > > I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under > > FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might > > just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't > > get lpd to work. > > > > Here is where I stand. > > > > I have the environment variabalee > > > > setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 > > Remove the equal sign. The correct C shell syntax is setenv PRINTER HPLJ4100 Make sure to check if % echo $PRINTER reflects that setting. You can make it global by adding that line to /etc/csh.cshrc. > > dns sees the printer > > > > % nslookup HPLJ4100 > > Server: 127.0.0.1 > > Address: 127.0.0.1#53 > > > > Non-authoritative answer: > > Name: HPLJ4100.dwf.com > > Address: 192.168.64.30 Good. > > I have > > > > lpd_enable="YES" > > > > in /etc/rc.conf > > > > I have set > > > > service lpd start > > > > numerous times, and lpd is running. Good. > > my printcap keeps changing, but currently reads > > > > HP-DP:\ > > :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ > > :rp=raw:\ > > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > > :mx#0:\ > > :sh: > > > > when I do a > > > > lpr sum.ps > > > > of a postscript file, I see > > > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer So lpr cannot find "lp" (the default printer) or has trouble finding the one set by $PRINTER (maybe because it never interitet the environmental setting?). When you manually use the -P option to the lp* commands, it should work: # lpq -PHPLJ4100 This also works for lpr or lprm. > > if I take the 9100@ out of the printcap file, viz > > > > HP-DP:\ > > :rm=HPLJ4100:\ > > :rp=raw:\ > > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > > :mx#0:\ > > :sh: > > > > I see for the lpr > > > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > > > so thats the same. No, it's a little different, but shows something: $PRINTER is set, but it does not have a corresponding entry with that name in the printer capability file, as it seems. Look closely: The symbol for the printer definition is "HP-DP" (line 1), and "HPLJ4100" (line 2) is the _host name_ of the printer - it could be its IP as well. You need to set $PRINTER to the printer definition name. setenv PRINTER HP-DP and similarly # lpq -PHP-DP That is the conflict of "printer not found" you're seeing: You are trying to print to a printer that does not exist. > > I have tried about a thousand vaiations, anc always see > > > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpq > > lpq: printer not found > > > > I must be doing something basic that is wrong, but I dont see ir. > > Someone tell me what Im doing wrong, this can't be this hard. Definitely. Printing on FreeBSD ususlly is very easy, especially when you have a _real_ printer as you do. Regarding the "rm= vs. lp=" question, "man 5 printcap" says: lp str /dev/lp device name to open for output, or port@machine to open a TCP socket rm str NULL machine name for remote printer So using lp= should be perfectly fine. If I remember correctly, you can even omit the port number. I haven't specified it anywhere, and the printer still works. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 12:35:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05579A02D1A for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stoa@gmx.us) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B67F11B99 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:35:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stoa@gmx.us) Received: from arch ([24.116.197.15]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M4nM5-1Ygnwu2Mpx-00yxwj; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:34:45 +0200 Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:34:33 -0500 From: Dutch Ingraham To: reg@dwf.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem Message-ID: <20150913123433.GA2102@arch> References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:+WVpIcJT5P1DVWTe+3QIIdYdxmLEWrTTU4ZZ8Cci4UKx8cXwlcQ OouMaeM1nCi3MVVK6wW89Sny6SAt8c++yv0SNtyseUGbXib3CoRGnBhOG5V7WvIYjQctt8U 5o5uC92xuJ9bPh+7mMA7I7owCqx9upLcbgzV7i0CTgUQ23mNqBjXyAvWs4wCX8Z6L1N4oHb PpnaYDVxyYhCXAT9opz0A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:kWsSGLySszM=:HeHXPDuF7E/IhDajCGPWRY z2as68Kb/HqIodpRtXCBS1Gqez9Jen1otzLIj3v0ipjb59TNVr1VN5qeKWC00sfmix0Cx50BF 8pfR+UFQWnH17+M/OtSgNfXyH78k1VRqXqkMdAMvqWTl4RN0uqo0RJJSI3m49D2zBs6WIHIQ+ IGlHtFj+BBlDN/Cz5yFfAwe9o+MjmxVlIOIV9x6bDytLy7lJRTmXLDSASc+uNQjKiWQyxzb+/ BSo66ToD7k8bODukFtUaSqWk/SDSxJvbyW5UwlkHpcwBUKQdQA9oZ0IjgYvYyZdzWReRodvdh fNNaoIklEar/PmeZbEF/lz3PDYZtOs91G+ImnEMCWk10f3PXKiw0LUXvl1mhB59acc3B1NLwx r5K8YzXyY7crMW3i7CYwao8BJVobtYNZ3tLoAORRlY9pq+s82ZsCLUonXFCTdRZOg94ZujHyM 2Eg3Ib/7UNDcRH8KotavUSj8PavFg3lh0gaHL7vXC10Cm/LkQPl3EbIRZiaJEwBt+n+T/j+UZ 8D9BnMLGgMsvkUY2MgGy/y48l6rqFA7YYQHIk77WA2FbKsjCqF1kIHBMDQJZyJQNIT5wLQwIa Io6PKtcpylUwO5MReCltRiCd2ap2S79iUngKagshQ73MGUk5kyk4KjY6POYlrez/YbYjcO037 zKCUlAnpS8mivpmely/GFjzqxUmS8OUCx1e+uAB8EHKeAtyRB/TARncyk82Iv+LQrnEmwY6r5 G5bGWqa02ScbJWd/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:35:04 -0000 On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 12:53:21AM -0600, reg@dwf.com wrote: > I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under > FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might > just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't > get lpd to work. > > Here is where I stand. > > I have the environment variabalee > > setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 > > dns sees the printer > > % nslookup HPLJ4100 > Server: 127.0.0.1 > Address: 127.0.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: HPLJ4100.dwf.com > Address: 192.168.64.30 > > I have > > lpd_enable="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf > > I have set > > service lpd start > > numerous times, and lpd is running. > > my printcap keeps changing, but currently reads > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > when I do a > > lpr sum.ps > > of a postscript file, I see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > if I take the 9100@ out of the printcap file, viz > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > I see for the lpr > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > so thats the same. > > I have tried about a thousand vaiations, anc always see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpq > lpq: printer not found > > I must be doing something basic that is wrong, but I dont see ir. > Someone tell me what Im doing wrong, this can't be this hard. > > Reg Clemens > clemens@dwf.com A few observations/questions: For all of the following, I'm assuming you are using DHCP to access a network printer, correct? 1. What does your printer say its hostname is? I.e., when you print your printer's configuration pages from your printer, under the TCP/IP section, what is the Host Name? 2. I would set the default name of the printer to "lp." See bullet point number 1 in section 9.5.1 of the Handbook. You need to use the -P switch to print with a different printer name. 3. It appears as though you are missing the printer name in the second line of your printcap, viz: lp:\ #printer name :lp=:rm=printer HOSTname or ip or port:\ etc. See bullet point number 2, Network section, of the same section of the Handbook. I have a 4050, which is very close to the 4100, and use the following first two lines right now, with a fixed IP: lp:\ :lp=:rm=192.168.0.240:\ I've also used, with this same printer, with DHCP and the HOSTNAME as indicated in the printer's configuration pages: lp:\ :lp=:rm=LaserJet:\ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 12:49:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BBAA032FB for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:49:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3913C1FB0 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:49:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 339A43CE90; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:49:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8DCn8sF004018; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:49:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:49:08 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Dutch Ingraham Cc: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem Message-Id: <20150913144908.63bf0638.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150913123433.GA2102@arch> References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> <20150913123433.GA2102@arch> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 12:49:11 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:34:33 -0500, Dutch Ingraham wrote: > A few observations/questions: > > For all of the following, I'm assuming you are using DHCP to access a > network printer, correct? > > 1. What does your printer say its hostname is? I.e., when you print your > printer's configuration pages from your printer, under the TCP/IP section, > what is the Host Name? This part is only relevant if you're accessing the ptiner by a name not directly resolved by the "host computer" (the one you print from). For example, you can have the resolving part done in /etc/hosts - of course only as long as this matches the _actual_ network reality. > 2. I would set the default name of the printer to "lp." See bullet > point number 1 in section 9.5.1 of the Handbook. You need to use the -P > switch to print with a different printer name. THat's true. Multiple names usually refer to multiple printers, or different configurations of the same printer (via printcap: different output filters). Going with "lp" is fine. > 3. It appears as though you are missing the printer name in the second > line of your printcap, viz: > > lp:\ #printer name > :lp=:rm=printer HOSTname or ip or port:\ > etc. > > See bullet point number 2, Network section, of the same section of the Handbook. > I have a 4050, which is very close to the 4100, and use the > following first two lines right now, with a fixed IP: > > lp:\ > :lp=:rm=192.168.0.240:\ > > I've also used, with this same printer, with DHCP and the HOSTNAME as > indicated in the printer's configuration pages: > > lp:\ > :lp=:rm=LaserJet:\ My home network also uses DHCP, but the printer address is fixed, so I could enter 192.168.100.it in /etc/hosts. :-) As you pointed out, it's important to see the difference between the printer hostname (networking term) and the printer identification (printcap term). They _may_ be set to the same value, but it's not neccessary. Example here: the printer's hostname is "laserjet" and resolves to the IP 192.168.100.100 (even though I have set that manually in printcap), and "Laserjet" is the printer name, made default per $PRINTER setting in /etc/csh.cshrc - there are others like "Laserjet-nodup" or "Laserjet-tray3" or "Laserjet-manual", all with the same settings except for the output filter that reflects the different options. And as I said, I've set rm= to the IP (no port), and lp= to the empty value. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 13:25:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE7CA03605 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohsen@pahlevanzadeh.org) Received: from us.royaserver.com (unknown [162.223.94.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7ABFD188D for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:25:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mohsen@pahlevanzadeh.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pahlevanzadeh.org; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=RYxQWZ5bi5K02P4F/BvcpgSpNy043e3ODZck7hB5ql0=; b=V5D3Kg/Shs1Q+zJceGejTcGnrWFV5rxuIpNxBoiVmUX5XQjBVNTCUfz/36Zi7r4NF9rs8bLy869gQjrcjjsXuVKvYPUVdQu0FgpVrNC/GouC+kXZk3tkCQA21rUUzrYhGpZrup3OJSYwIc8rCp9ixgIhnazY7tPEFeKhSzOkFgQ=; Received: from [46.62.175.185] (port=16641 helo=[192.168.1.78]) by us.royaserver.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Zb7H7-00324l-4k for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:54:57 +0430 Subject: Re: xenix (sysv) filesystem and FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55F13B5A.3070408@pahlevanzadeh.org> <20150910155247.GA6875@ayn.mi.celestial.com> From: Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh Message-ID: <55F57926.7080303@pahlevanzadeh.org> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:54:54 +0430 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/38.1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150910155247.GA6875@ayn.mi.celestial.com> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - us.royaserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pahlevanzadeh.org X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: us.royaserver.com: authenticated_id: mohsen@pahlevanzadeh.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:25:05 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 13:37:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC3BA03CB5 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 435331F97 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8DDbSTr051102 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8DDbRL6051099; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:37:28 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:37:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: reg@dwf.com cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Polytropon Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem In-Reply-To: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> Message-ID: References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:37:28 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:37:41 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, reg@dwf.com wrote: > I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under > FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might > just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't > get lpd to work. > > Here is where I stand. > > I have the environment variabalee > > setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 This is not used by lpd at all, as far as I know. > HP-DP:\ > :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > when I do a > > lpr sum.ps > > of a postscript file, I see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer That is because the printcap shown above gives the printer the name of HP-DP. To use that, the printer name must be given to lpr: lpr -PHP-DP sum.ps However, I recommend giving the default printer the name "lp". That is the default so that lpr can be used without specifying the printer name. Printers can be given multiple names, if desired. > if I take the 9100@ out of the printcap file, viz > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > I see for the lpr > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > so thats the same. > > I have tried about a thousand vaiations, anc always see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpq > lpq: printer not found > > I must be doing something basic that is wrong, but I dont see ir. > Someone tell me what Im doing wrong, this can't be this hard. In an earlier post, we showed what was wrong with that earlier broken printcap. Did you not see that? lp:\ :lp=9100@HPLJ4100:\ :sh:\ :mx#0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs: This is shown in the Handbook printing section: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/printing-lpd.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 16:59:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5261A03478 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99A56190C for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:59:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F254276C3; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:59:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8DGxdq6005022; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:59:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:59:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Cc: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem Message-Id: <20150913185939.a98c58f5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:59:49 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:37:27 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, reg@dwf.com wrote: > > > I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under > > FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might > > just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't > > get lpd to work. > > > > Here is where I stand. > > > > I have the environment variabalee > > > > setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 > > This is not used by lpd at all, as far as I know. It's being used by lpr, lpq, lprm - which I consider part of lpd. :-) > > HP-DP:\ > > :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ > > :rp=raw:\ > > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > > :mx#0:\ > > :sh: > > > > when I do a > > > > lpr sum.ps > > > > of a postscript file, I see > > > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > That is because the printcap shown above gives the printer the name of > HP-DP. To use that, the printer name must be given to lpr: > > lpr -PHP-DP sum.ps ^^^^^ And _this_ is what $PRINTER can be used for. > However, I recommend giving the default printer the name "lp". That is > the default so that lpr can be used without specifying the printer name. > Printers can be given multiple names, if desired. And it makes dealing with the _one_ printer easier. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 19:01:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7675A032A8 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7897218CC for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:01:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8DJ1NeF069310 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:01:23 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8DJ1Mkd069307; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:01:22 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:01:22 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon cc: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem In-Reply-To: <20150913185939.a98c58f5.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> <20150913185939.a98c58f5.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:01:23 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:01:41 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 07:37:27 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, reg@dwf.com wrote: >> >>> I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under >>> FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might >>> just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't >>> get lpd to work. >>> >>> Here is where I stand. >>> >>> I have the environment variabalee >>> >>> setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 >> >> This is not used by lpd at all, as far as I know. > > It's being used by lpr, lpq, lprm - which I consider part > of lpd. :-) Huh. I guess I just never used it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 19:32:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740F4A032A3 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:32:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from healer@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp9.server.rpi.edu (gateway.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "canit.localdomain", Issuer "canit.localdomain" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F075D14D9 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:32:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from healer@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (route.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.231]) by smtp9.server.rpi.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id t8DJVFR6016790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:31:15 -0400 Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3145803C for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.113.209.244] (vpn-209-244.net.rpi.edu [128.113.209.244]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: healer) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 069E458006 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:31:14 -0400 (EDT) To: freebSD-questions@freebsd.org From: Bob Healey Subject: Problems with ZFS file servers Message-ID: <55F5CF06.5080602@rpi.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:31:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outgoing, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 7.10] X-CanIt-Incident-Id: 02PgHvfVG X-CanIt-Geo: ip=128.113.209.244; country=US; region=New York; city=Troy; latitude=42.7495; longitude=-73.5951; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.7495,-73.5951&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.229 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 19:32:58 -0000 Hi. I've been semi-successfully running multi-homed ZFS based NFS file servers. Every 30-90 days I have to reboot them, or they become non-responsive on one or more interfaces. My only error messages are my RHEL 5 clients complaining the server is unreachable, and the output of netstat -i showing fast increasing input errors. I am running 10.1-RELEASE patched to 7/2/15. Installed ports are minimal, mainly bash, rsync, portupgrade, and their dependencies. Basic info: Variety of hosts, some Dell, some IBM, some HP, some Sun (pre Oracle), some Supermicro whitebox systems. Age ranges from 1 to 5 years old. Ram varies 6GB to 64GB, network cards are assorted onboard igb, em, and bge cards. Also have some mxge cards installed. Disk is mostly on mfi or mpt based controllers, with two cciss card. Raw disk capacity varies between 12TB and 96TB. CPUs vary from Xeon 54xx chips to Opteron 43xx chips and everything in between. I have some identical machines still on Oracle support running Solaris/ZFS that do not exhibit these problems under identical loads. The servers are used as NFS file stores to HPC research clusters. There is one interface reachable from the publicly routed university network, and a second interface with 802.1q vlans to reach each of the internal cluster networks a given host servers. Due to boss's rules regarding downtime (no scheduled outages ever, for any reason), the next time I know I'll be able to reboot these to test changes is 6/18/16 when the annual electrical shutdown occurs. Otherwise, I can try suggestions as things get unhappy with life and require unscheduled reboots. -- Bob Healey Systems Administrator Biocomputation and Bioinformatics Constellation and Molecularium healer@rpi.edu (518) 276-4407 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 20:54:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F75DA03E17 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@admin.monthsbehind.us) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A881DC2 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@admin.monthsbehind.us) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id EEFE4A03E16; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE97AA03E15 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@admin.monthsbehind.us) Received: from admin.monthsbehind.us (admin.monthsbehind.us [162.243.56.244]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D23CA1DC1 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from apache@admin.monthsbehind.us) Received: by admin.monthsbehind.us (Postfix, from userid 48) id ACA591C4454; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:24:18 +0000 (UTC) To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Advertise your business for free X-PHP-Originating-Script: 48:mail.php From: Web Host Reply-To: support@webhostpit.com Message-Id: <20150913202418.ACA591C4454@admin.monthsbehind.us> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:24:18 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:54:59 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 21:43:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A971CA049A7 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:43:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79A261C88 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:43:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8DLguex032204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:42:57 -0500 Subject: Re: followup storage question To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55F2D086.6060509@hiwaay.net> <55F2F2CF.3080004@physics.umn.edu> From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55F5EDDF.8040108@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:48:25 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55F2F2CF.3080004@physics.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:43:04 -0000 On 09/11/15 10:33, Graham Allan wrote: > On 9/11/2015 7:59 AM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> >> >> The Wiki page https://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS/GPTZFSBoot/9.0-RELEASE >> illustrates using gnop to enforce 4K alignment of gpt partitions for >> subsequent use by ZFS. However the gpart commands also use the '-a 4k' >> arguments, aligning partitions on 4k boundaries as I understand things. >> Is the gnop command also necessary ? TIA & have a nice weekend. > > My experience is I only ever install on smaller devices so never > really worry about 4k alignment at that time, only for making large > storage pools later. With that mind mind here is my "easy" answer for > 9.3 and 10.x. The installer "auto ZFS" has a 4k alignment option which > I would assume works as advertised (having said that it would be > simple to do a basic install and then examine that to confirm). For > making subsequent pools, I simply set vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift=12 is > /etc/sysctl.conf, after which you will get 4k block alignment without > messing with gnop. On 9.1 you had to do the gnop tricks but 9.3 > supports the auto_ashift sysctl. > > On 9.3+, "zpool status" also *tells you* if you got the block > alignment wrong, which is a big help over 9.1 where it could lurk > undetected! > > G. *Eeeeeeeeek* !!!!! [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:06pm] 332 % sysctl -A | grep ashift [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:10pm] 333 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:15pm] 334 % I don't see that sysctl setting, am I missing something (No ZFS installed on this box, BTW) ? Thanks & TIA & have a nice weekend. -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 21:48:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B918A04C76 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2C5181EFF for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:48:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t8DLm1UY015441; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:48:01 -0600 Message-Id: <201509132148.t8DLm1UY015441@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: Polytropon cc: Bernt Hansson , reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, reg@deneb.dwf.com Subject: (Thanks) network/Postscript Printer problem In-reply-to: <20150913142321.293c85e2.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> <55F564D6.3090106@bananmonarki.se> <20150913142321.293c85e2.freebsd@edvax.de> Comments: In-reply-to Polytropon message dated "Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:23:21 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:48:01 -0600 From: reg@dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:48:44 -0000 Thanks to all that responded, I finally got rid of a couple of nasty typos, and the printer is working. I should be able now to put together a couple of input filters to do single/double sided printing. Thanks again. -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 21:55:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E12A0305E for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:55:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qk0-x22c.google.com (mail-qk0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F136B14CD for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:55:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by qkfq186 with SMTP id q186so51502098qkf.1 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:55:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:organization:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h4cvSIJlNKtlTy793rYu9oVh5HSnougX/9rXHSI3aOU=; b=CocAycj5ZkHVJ2/asghHeHVF8JHAvFUWDvVBWZfA0Y1o/l+B6f15y7TG1PjSuXWS96 EQa7DbRug3Vsmt6Xvcf7LlDFmQLUrkifTI8hH12h5wlOhOGFLFa+X1FLbc5rBmIUPj/i Ft17q9p5cfSxu9f4mrXdIY4XApy/L9ULFari4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=h4cvSIJlNKtlTy793rYu9oVh5HSnougX/9rXHSI3aOU=; b=CnuHDt9a4BoYQgzeqHIxMDbiVD6FlsVvciaNM/LsAB+22trkvI2vR1uwCuktPbdRiO aEdY5i5qrwZ4MHhyTh7Bi9N1H4115jmeWnVtIi+ExAXwjRC66u09h3f1q9dW18x07Cqk DAKkt5MidMkRQCf2KrKCz/qwITOaV0fsTv7vhPnxI1TLXnqHvN400pR1JmuBMNRhmsdv VvUCRjluWmyPP5D/pU3I3FoS3BsecZmk5W2QeW/PaSUad/LIZYPvq3S8klav9b3rpcZr jCh4452KrW3rEwRCsXc21CiYg1TpUHfhr7QVAtOUGo9tPyU+gCSDf67bqu8GL8VDAi9H DsrA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmq3k0u4LpDdY7cz34joIAFVVHA4x17geAGeBYeg4tjeTv79ZZBVz07KNGpcu/t1oFbn+Mk X-Received: by 10.55.198.157 with SMTP id s29mr16839675qkl.36.1442181328679; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-28-112.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.28.112]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f92sm4693116qgf.3.2015.09.13.14.55.28 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nDl4H2qCtz3DljD for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:55:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:55:27 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: "autofwd" Message-ID: <20150913175527.1a16d97c@seibercom.net> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:55:30 -0000 I am just wondering if anyone here has ever used "autofwd" . There does not appear to be a port for it. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 22:00:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFBE9A033D5 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x236.google.com (mail-io0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B3A618CC for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:00:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by ioiz6 with SMTP id z6so146889759ioi.2 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vxQ45hlqXa0WfTEK8aiQI5t5iLE4Lf/C1L82onZ3grU=; b=XQyIfVQvX8Yg8ucYKtj91kq77qoan/scG8aahCQ2uFCw9Ou/EpQFf0+hR+9rMP+GDK C5IMCJoX3cwdQlUdlIm54vNuLxJixsh2RaAmZwAOGgaRl6/7uGQu2lZy/0CylJBDXqrU 0tyPxFz3y1dF9KNySVnt+KPdULAgJBs4yv6pz302u+6WMM+r9BVIwDb0tEhqQ6pHkhth 6c9hWO/YI0a63d6onK8bf2ZxsJQTJT4OJXwu1sfitb0rWHJLDQRh3KuoL9boMvDXB37G 0SqoWh+HQIZLSX50XF3qzE/H998ocbUusFejN2SE/eeCeyj3GUZm6cUicptjbped/e7+ seXQ== X-Received: by 10.107.10.91 with SMTP id u88mr18997163ioi.136.1442181612801; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id g198sm1253229ioe.6.2015.09.13.15.00.11 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "autofwd" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20150913175527.1a16d97c@seibercom.net> From: jd1008 Message-ID: <55F5F1FC.8000204@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:00:28 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150913175527.1a16d97c@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:00:13 -0000 On 09/13/2015 03:55 PM, Jerry wrote: > I am just wondering if anyone here has ever used > "autofwd" . There does not appear to be > a port for it. > Perhaps because it is not needed?? See http://windows7themes.net/en-us/thunderbird-how-to-auto-forward-your-emails-in-mozillas-email-client/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 22:17:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC2A03CEA for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qg0-x22b.google.com (mail-qg0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1658A1586 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:17:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by qgx61 with SMTP id 61so102060291qgx.3 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:17:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FQsfcw+IQUi2R94zG7vbHoj/ItWdx6jqg+lNsE5XFcs=; b=p4PYg06wAjByjLXqllvLDBwoNKnWi1csxCLNpIFogYR/id+LqkxBG9DdqTHp2FqcBW heJ72KLjTohY8WMPxAcoiPnJtSJDeuksR0tVvklhR7Dj0+KeBXEZ65aDKIJ6pZG5CmjA ZZiN1+EsGTDO9sOJHT2pB9miSQw8yTFBaJGbA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FQsfcw+IQUi2R94zG7vbHoj/ItWdx6jqg+lNsE5XFcs=; b=XCMSjsdi1IFjF1sPSni1mzAnCBN6XJhoeAcZsMYQ+/OVItlGryPYIFjilHjqE0tvEm 2aB5sAcBfJUbo140iCVMHHNNqgY5v0uCkFslDEGiQ1TAwDD0MKdRiDGZsT401t4laMXq brubiOVjwo12Gb3Zr+mqLgWfkwI4PRrFRNkEhNf7E1z38rRPNk4LV31K0GI9zoVhPeRn IPaMUO7P+Yg+QNtY3oIgmrCBpVus4r/IUcRT+mVTzXw9wXqshZIZXscYproCPqLZ0j85 nLxCVrCkOab8nPsH4Pzcq+Z0UT/LNT8IW9i4b7ZGgcS/u9U1W3sZbmZJqazayfXlWIgK +t/g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn9pQfp3S8udw7gnE5YzHKTwDLs0wmqVJ2C5FQz20UICR0CRwznn74fTPYGhimOgn/5iRdT X-Received: by 10.140.92.54 with SMTP id a51mr17079337qge.105.1442182671843; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-28-112.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.28.112]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e131sm4682305qhc.10.2015.09.13.15.17.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nDlZ618H5z3DljD for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:17:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:17:49 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: "autofwd" Message-ID: <20150913181749.763d5991@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <55F5F1FC.8000204@gmail.com> References: <20150913175527.1a16d97c@seibercom.net> <55F5F1FC.8000204@gmail.com> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:17:53 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:00:28 -0600, jd1008 stated: > On 09/13/2015 03:55 PM, Jerry wrote: > > I am just wondering if anyone here has ever used > > "autofwd" . There does not appear > > to be a port for it. > > > Perhaps because it is not needed?? > > See > > http://windows7themes.net/en-us/thunderbird-how-to-auto-forward-your-emails-in-mozillas-email-client/ That is not the same thing. "autofwd" is an automated firewalling daemon intended to block hosts performing unwanted acts. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 22:28:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EBB4A03313 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:28:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milios@ccsys.com) Received: from cargobay.net (cargobay.net [198.178.123.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F32B1B82 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from milios@ccsys.com) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (cblmdm72-240-160-19.buckeyecom.net [72.240.160.19]) by cargobay.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2670780A; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: followup storage question From: Jake X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12H321) In-Reply-To: <55F5EDDF.8040108@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:28:41 -0400 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4344B890-06D6-447F-8186-20AC81C86818@ccsys.com> References: <55F2D086.6060509@hiwaay.net> <55F2F2CF.3080004@physics.umn.edu> <55F5EDDF.8040108@hiwaay.net> To: "William A. Mahaffey III" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:28:52 -0000 > On Sep 13, 2015, at 5:41 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrot= e: >=20 > *Eeeeeeeeek* !!!!! >=20 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:06pm] 332 % sysctl -A | grep ashift > [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:10pm] 333 % uname -a > FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 2= 2 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/= GENERIC amd64 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:15pm] 334 % >=20 > I don't see that sysctl setting, am I missing something (No ZFS installed o= n this box, BTW) ? Thanks & TIA & have a nice weekend. >=20 > --=20 >=20 > William A. Mahaffey III Yeah, it's surely just that you don't have the ZFS kernel module presently l= oaded. `kldload zfs` first.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 22:29:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9781BA0333C for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com (mail-ig0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 676C31BE8 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:29:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by igbkq10 with SMTP id kq10so78124049igb.0 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:29:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pkVJPoiTLSrQV5dogAuhmKMEP76qruJg0CvoE2by4II=; b=lQ1hntCdxdl9PwfEtB8Rgs+lQ44uMq+t18IH5+9xHW1pP+6xxNxlw2LM9GjwlD5gJ9 KVAUdqWhP/wNwTg2L/rq5dwU1esKP1xfiSm6RyUxnO8NnknmtqVRc0BToSW7pX23ch4J Jyp91VMsBayZOq8b/0Na6I+6LCGkSiYm0m49ARn3iTbDyKk2n7RNpOZKYXY4xJmnNQnT E1xsJUaw3eRGKXp2F74nv+hhQF2n3k57gMdCBaEFbXoV5W4AjtetV65w7frbyyTdc+QQ Jbw1Qdp8WV2KkFYOyeduNGcj/WxgjiY5VhG0Gkhas7lHoiTl2we7rcpTejqdkvK3B/8x woYA== X-Received: by 10.50.47.81 with SMTP id b17mr12940949ign.39.1442183342765; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 20sm4891593ioj.25.2015.09.13.15.29.01 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "autofwd" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20150913175527.1a16d97c@seibercom.net> <55F5F1FC.8000204@gmail.com> <20150913181749.763d5991@seibercom.net> From: jd1008 Message-ID: <55F5F8C5.1070200@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:29:25 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150913181749.763d5991@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:29:03 -0000 On 09/13/2015 04:17 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:00:28 -0600, jd1008 stated: > >> On 09/13/2015 03:55 PM, Jerry wrote: >>> I am just wondering if anyone here has ever used >>> "autofwd" . There does not appear >>> to be a port for it. >>> >> Perhaps because it is not needed?? >> >> See >> >> http://windows7themes.net/en-us/thunderbird-how-to-auto-forward-your-emails-in-mozillas-email-client/ > That is not the same thing. "autofwd" is an automated firewalling daemon > intended to block hosts performing unwanted acts. > There are other autoforwarding tools I found on the web where you create a special filter and if the mail fits that filter, it gets forwarded to an address you specify. See these results: https://www.google.com/search?q=auto+forwarding&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#channel=sb&q=auto+forwarding+filter From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 22:34:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74488A0376C for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com (mail-ig0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3EC151F6D for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:34:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by igcpb10 with SMTP id pb10so78141395igc.1 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:34:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lUKziyibyqpUcCp2v6Ilq2RRu66lGWY17XYtrkscwQI=; b=uSyRjBO6ap4zvaZtXxL9WP0DY11xHwA2M5ShkDW+/+F7GJbsPIUhjP25xIPWvgwku1 m8mGYGKvCfi1EU61yvw3v7I9OyxRE7OuEUqwY0MhnNh4OgqFy+5eSJXUZQRWb9Bah5/j lSwnPis1s7vfosF1PjKy4PJ1JVYnWysgooAszSPRoQhuzPJL8bHp+PeGjWhM/p/HMVad jIBc2Es6tIcZysddBAev+4PmjY/wLd6NfJoQZnzDOWBWcL0RBg973wY49jYNFmnkWSF5 8osmGc5r5KpCxvP0RpJ6GLiqKL8/s8X3x8vHnNs5Xb98f7HL5lC2vInEQcZ7jGBsLbV1 6Iag== X-Received: by 10.50.117.10 with SMTP id ka10mr5217201igb.33.1442183695725; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n8sm4382653igv.22.2015.09.13.15.34.54 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 15:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: "autofwd" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20150913175527.1a16d97c@seibercom.net> <55F5F1FC.8000204@gmail.com> <20150913181749.763d5991@seibercom.net> From: jd1008 Message-ID: <55F5FA26.1050400@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:35:18 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150913181749.763d5991@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:34:56 -0000 On 09/13/2015 04:17 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:00:28 -0600, jd1008 stated: > >> On 09/13/2015 03:55 PM, Jerry wrote: >>> I am just wondering if anyone here has ever used >>> "autofwd" . There does not appear >>> to be a port for it. >>> >> Perhaps because it is not needed?? >> >> See >> >> http://windows7themes.net/en-us/thunderbird-how-to-auto-forward-your-emails-in-mozillas-email-client/ > That is not the same thing. "autofwd" is an automated firewalling daemon > intended to block hosts performing unwanted acts. > Sorry Had my head wrapped in a nasty email problem of my own, and did not clearly see the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Sep 13 23:13:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD49A04A8E for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:13:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (70-90-202-97-Albuquerque.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.90.202.97]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C3171DB8 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:13:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reg@dwf.com) Received: from deneb.dwf.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by deneb.dwf.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id t8DNDE3J016431 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:13:14 -0600 Message-Id: <201509132313.t8DNDE3J016431@deneb.dwf.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.3 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Trying to run (newsreader) exmh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:13:14 -0600 From: reg@dwf.com X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:13:16 -0000 I'm trying to run the newsreader exmh (I run it on Linux) I have it up and running, but when I start it up, I get EITHER the set of messages: % exmh BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored BgRegister X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored exmh-bg cannot rendez-vous with UI - exiting. Usually this is because Tk send is not working. Check the notes under Frequently Asked Questions #4a and #4b. You can find this under the Help menu. --- or exmh No protocol specified No protocol specified application-specific initialization failed: couldn't connect to display ":0.0" No protocol specified No protocol specified Error in startup script: couldn't connect to display ":0.0" while executing "load /usr/local/lib/libtk86.so.1 Tk" ("package ifneeded Tk 8.6.4" script) invoked from within "package require Tk" (file "/usr/local/bin/exmh" line 49) --- The first seems to imply some problem with xauth, the second may be trying to tell me that some Tk library is missing. Can anyone interpret these errors and tell me whats actually wrong? -- Reg.Clemens reg@dwf.com From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 01:08:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2711AA038B1 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:08:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.237]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03F8718F4 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:08:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george@vagner.com) Received: from [192.168.0.137] ([162.72.176.22]) by p3plsmtpa09-08.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id Gp7x1r0070VNGai01p82F0; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 18:08:05 -0700 Message-ID: <55F61DEE.7010506@vagner.com> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:07:58 -0400 From: george vagner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: 10.2-r strange issue with gateway References: <5C137CAA56211A448C4F58E75EFB6266C285B582@EXCHANGE.lan.theconcept.ru> <55E84B51.7070103@sentex.net> <5C137CAA56211A448C4F58E75EFB6266C285E5CC@EXCHANGE.lan.theconcept.ru> <20150903114614.17c98a13@Papi> In-Reply-To: <20150903114614.17c98a13@Papi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:08:12 -0000 i have bee having issues with getting my newly installed 10.2-r system set up as a gateway. i have been away from freebsd since about version 8 so a little rusty athough i started at version 2.2. i have my network interfaces up and working, one is a USB 10/100 supported by the axe driver the other is on-board nfe0. i have the gateway_enable="YES" in my rc.conf and have natd enabled. it is a very simple 192.168.x.x to dhcped nfe0. here is my problem, i can ping the internet from inside all ok, i can tracert out to places just fine from the windows machines etc, but i cannot get any http,ftp,telnet,mail thru the gateway. i have my firewall set to open and have the divert rule such as divert 8668 from any ip4 to any via nfe0 why would pings and traceroutes get thru the nat but not other protocols and where can i look to fix it.? any help would be appreciated. george From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 01:25:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BBAA0420B for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:25:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from universite@ukr.net) Received: from frv190.fwdcdn.com (frv190.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.190]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 355631F18 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:25:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from universite@ukr.net) Received: from [10.10.2.23] (helo=frv198.fwdcdn.com) by frv190.fwdcdn.com with esmtp ID 1ZbIEp-000LAW-Jb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 04:07:19 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=ffe; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:To:Subject:From:Date; bh=1R88YZ23SV5kAUKUKcVGrFK7Ag8Eij9ijobkeuq3GL8=; b=ESHHPALgXztttjWPbeqlEh2Wy+9ezxFIYU0XZ38HvLi+7snmFApnijj29aXzj0DW8jIbUz5GFRBbl0RrQfqm3MZekAcTj2/bcCeAML2IT4mMBaDB5IhVwdD0wRC2f9WTDMKXpR3tsxNEx+lZouC3ZlNYCk/V3tocvt3FQL5j5ZU=; Received: from [10.10.10.35] (helo=frv35.fwdcdn.com) by frv198.fwdcdn.com with smtp ID 1ZbIEf-000L8D-1x for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 04:07:09 +0300 Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 04:07:08 +0300 From: Vladislav Prodan Subject: Re: Problems with ZFS file servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: mail.ukr.net 5.0 Message-Id: <1442191342.426007007.amnhjwng@frv35.fwdcdn.com> In-Reply-To: <55F5CF06.5080602@rpi.edu> References: <55F5CF06.5080602@rpi.edu> X-Reply-Action: reply Received: from universite@ukr.net by frv35.fwdcdn.com; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 04:07:08 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:25:12 -0000   --- Original message --- From: "Bob Healey" Date: 13 September 2015, 22:33:08 Hi. I've been semi-successfully running multi-homed ZFS based NFS file servers. Every 30-90 days I have to reboot them, or they become non-responsive on one or more interfaces. My only error messages are my RHEL 5 clients complaining the server is unreachable, and the output of netstat -i showing fast increasing input errors. I am running 10.1-RELEASE patched to 7/2/15. Installed ports are minimal, mainly bash, rsync, portupgrade, and their dependencies. Hello. Show daily graphics one of the servers on such parameters: 1) pps on each physical network interface. 2) The errors on each physical network interface 3) IOPS on disk storage and the individual HDD (if you keep records) 4) the total CPU load and each core individually. Also attach detailed information on the network card (for example, pciconf -lv em0, ifconfig em0), network and NFS configuration by rc.conf -- Bob Healey Systems Administrator Biocomputation and Bioinformatics Constellation and Molecularium healer@rpi.edu (518) 276-4407 _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Vladislav V. Prodan System & Network Administrator support.od.ua From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 01:38:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05597A04784 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:38:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@flederma.us) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.perfora.net", Issuer "thawte SSL CA - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8CAC14C9 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:38:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@flederma.us) Received: from neon.local ([73.207.230.118]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LfhYy-1YqgTp3KhO-00pJ4n; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:38:03 +0200 Subject: Re: dhclient(8) sets wrong interface netmask on boot up To: Warren Block References: <55F398CA.7050308@flederma.us> <55F46514.9020702@flederma.us> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Cary X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55F624F9.2080202@flederma.us> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:38:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:Qlp5rnlW27v9jA/ywr8wCgGFcXbI7Dxlv8t7Ahfbu5lwClORgPq iSxsbm8G/h65ZHe3ZOAS1PV3WxnHa0Cw+ZP8e8bkV7VK0sUPNnJ1Tctrno+qUDNeOC7PY8h xumiposm4lq4HLbCykJf8bnuZ5QQK4z+NYQsGIXW0tqO6EdKukAuNrxqlCxeH0UMgk9cJ+M qTjyIHK70d28bdstJCxxg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:CgHzqOPNv5k=:2V1ft//CUyHqqWCBtPE4j+ eTVXBrNuq4TN+Aqx9XOMI2q4IeAoJLaPtM7kAJd5f8KQ5cX26nzmiPGSWdGKXI/Hh7Ja6tzMH tFh4SZPSwQo4d7jMRNQXxC7Dy52wDy/lB4MjxCHMgem+ThBRaXnaMdRaXewBVCt0vmbaiM1mY MK58iQob0pNIB6G1jW2kxw5gxEvU9XMt1c3cW2Dd7SBMgbvCEP2tXiAWAJdOHYDdIYwDI5o8t tFreJ5SeOie7wJZdQ73qt9I5mnJO8NtYO4R6XYzCiRDfWRbUm9rN0qKLqqcPkaQvyDzQJE4t4 LGYKPkWrbGlyeHT6LYFeMBwNqtN4nUJD93JgTQUR5aOBAUWuez09BvWDCrOED0PGHDHWptNQb 2tAwfIWJzF54wsmzFhEW+4unLa/WgFv0Wo6b1uqAVIP2+o9ZMqatazCsNGLT6O+RgNNlQsMMT Nm2Z3mRucGkm9D9AN6Fw87cGGynoztH8CyKre/XI5s3DgntGnAz0g/JceKuXYoXnr3/do5HPF xB7SS+0HcC5SY54fFymyiafaI10qvXqr7g+g9KxOteXln/ylg2P6BVt48yXVQaQvxzYhsJYvI GwaS3in3o3DcM6fsJgK3rtji4j2HVe5paZo6KpcLna2DlnHJZULqxsk8HLamgiVWb4QYjxdzQ 10hUw1VsF11PHNyzTdHiJA26JQrc+jR0kgOUX0y+fv9PZjhWBtvH2Mb3qE+udMW+GmadfxnvN LN+vex2IPDngNusY X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:38:28 -0000 On 09/12/2015 14:24, Warren Block wrote: > On Sat, 12 Sep 2015, Cary wrote: >> On 09/12/2015 10:45, Adam Vande More wrote: >>>> >>>> [/etc/rc.conf] >>>> hostname="public.fbsd.local" >>>> ifconfig_em0="DHCP" >>>> cloned_interfaces="${cloned_interfaces} lo1" >>>> >>> >>> previous line doesn't make much sense. >>> >> >> That was copied from the FreeBSD handbook section on managing jails >> (https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-ezjail.html). I didn't think >> that the jails would mess with the base host network configuration. > > Well, they add aliases. The cloned_interfaces line lets the jails use a > separate loopback interface from the host. > >> However, after re-looking at the jail config, I changed the config line >> in /usr/local/etc/ezjail/www_local from: >> >> export jail_www_local_ip="lo1|127.0.1.1,em0|192.168.20.166" >> to >> export jail_www_local_ip="lo1|127.0.1.1" > > Wait, you were assigning the host's IP address to the jail? That's the > problem. > Thanks, Warren. The jails-ezjail.html page sets up the dnsjail example using both the cloned loopback and the system IP (Procedure 14.1). I guess in that case, the system IP was static and not DHCP-assigned? >> After reboot, I was able to SSH into it without trouble. But now the >> httpd server cannot bind to the em0 interface. I guess I can forward >> traffic with ipfw or pfctl to get around that issue. >> >> LESSON LEARNED: ezjail *will* override the DHCP-assigned configuration >> of an interface! > > Well... when the jail is reusing the host's IP address, yes. Jails use > aliases, and the netmask for an alias is 0xffffffff (255.255.255.255). > So the host got an IP address and valid netmask from the DHCP server at > boot, then the jail startup reassigned the same IP address to the host > as an alias, setting an alias netmask. From earlier posts: > >>> < inet 192.168.20.166 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 192.168.20.166 >>> --- >>>> inet 192.168.20.166 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.20.255 > > It's a little surprising that didn't fail with an error. > The only error I saw in dmesg or /var/log/messages was the following: Sep 11 09:51:55 public kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 192.168.20.1 on em0 Sep 11 09:51:55 public last message repeated 11 times Sep 11 09:55:20 public kernel: arpresolve: can't allocate llinfo for 192.168.20.1 on em0 Sep 11 09:55:33 public last message repeated 4 times Googling for that error was not very helpful in resolving the issue, hence the email to -questions. > The current setup (not specifying an IP address for the jail) ends up > using the host's IP address again. That also seems like a mistake, but > maybe not. I don't know what the default should be, but I appreciate the help in better understanding what is happening on the back-end. All the best! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 01:38:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C68A047AE for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from healer@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp9.server.rpi.edu (gateway.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "canit.localdomain", Issuer "canit.localdomain" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1D271568 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from healer@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.231]) by smtp9.server.rpi.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id t8E1cdAH004029 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:38:39 -0400 Received: from smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157AE58072 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.113.209.241] (vpn-209-241.net.rpi.edu [128.113.209.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: healer) by smtp-auth1.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0F025801D for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Problems with ZFS file servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55F5CF06.5080602@rpi.edu> <1442191342.426007007.amnhjwng@frv35.fwdcdn.com> From: Bob Healey Message-ID: <55F62523.7010402@rpi.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:38:43 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1442191342.426007007.amnhjwng@frv35.fwdcdn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outgoing, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 7.10] X-CanIt-Incident-Id: 02PgNCD4p X-CanIt-Geo: ip=128.113.209.241; country=US; region=New York; city=Troy; latitude=42.7495; longitude=-73.5951; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.7495,-73.5951&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.229 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 01:38:45 -0000 http://origami.phys.rpi.edu/~healer/trouble for some of the requested information. Other bits I am not sure how to collect. The switch stats go back 68 days to when the machine was powered on after some electrical work elsewhere in the building. Bob Healey Systems Administrator Biocomputation and Bioinformatics Constellation and Molecularium healer@rpi.edu (518) 276-4407 On 9/13/2015 9:07 PM, Vladislav Prodan wrote: > > > --- Original message --- > From: "Bob Healey" > Date: 13 September 2015, 22:33:08 > > Hi. > > I've been semi-successfully running multi-homed ZFS based NFS file > servers. Every 30-90 days I have to reboot them, or they become > non-responsive on one or more interfaces. My only error messages are my > RHEL 5 clients complaining the server is unreachable, and the output of > netstat -i showing fast increasing input errors. I am running > 10.1-RELEASE patched to 7/2/15. Installed ports are minimal, mainly > bash, rsync, portupgrade, and their dependencies. > > Hello. > > Show daily graphics one of the servers on such parameters: > 1) pps on each physical network interface. > 2) The errors on each physical network interface > 3) IOPS on disk storage and the individual HDD (if you keep records) > 4) the total CPU load and each core individually. > > Also attach detailed information on the network card (for example, pciconf -lv em0, ifconfig em0), network and NFS configuration by rc.conf > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 02:02:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F965A033C3 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 02:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from healer@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp10.server.rpi.edu (gateway.canit.rpi.edu [128.113.2.230]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "canit.localdomain", Issuer "canit.localdomain" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01FAE1FBC for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 02:02:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from healer@rpi.edu) Received: from smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.232]) by smtp10.server.rpi.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id t8E1s5mK027520 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:54:06 -0400 Received: from smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F98E1803A for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [128.113.209.241] (vpn-209-241.net.rpi.edu [128.113.209.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: healer) by smtp-auth2.server.rpi.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7973718007 for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Problems with ZFS file servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55F5CF06.5080602@rpi.edu> <1442191342.426007007.amnhjwng@frv35.fwdcdn.com> From: Bob Healey Message-ID: <55F628C1.6090006@rpi.edu> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:54:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1442191342.426007007.amnhjwng@frv35.fwdcdn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Bayes-Prob: 0.0001 (Score 0, tokens from: outgoing, @@RPTN) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Hold at 7.10] X-CanIt-Incident-Id: 03PgNS5rK X-CanIt-Geo: ip=128.113.209.241; country=US; region=New York; city=Troy; latitude=42.7495; longitude=-73.5951; http://maps.google.com/maps?q=42.7495,-73.5951&z=6 X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.230 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 02:02:46 -0000 Also, this is not applied: https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-SA-15:15.tcp.asc because I have not been authorized for any downtime to apply it. Bob Healey Systems Administrator Biocomputation and Bioinformatics Constellation and Molecularium healer@rpi.edu (518) 276-4407 On 9/13/2015 9:07 PM, Vladislav Prodan wrote: > > > --- Original message --- > From: "Bob Healey" > Date: 13 September 2015, 22:33:08 > > Hi. > > I've been semi-successfully running multi-homed ZFS based NFS file > servers. Every 30-90 days I have to reboot them, or they become > non-responsive on one or more interfaces. My only error messages are my > RHEL 5 clients complaining the server is unreachable, and the output of > netstat -i showing fast increasing input errors. I am running > 10.1-RELEASE patched to 7/2/15. Installed ports are minimal, mainly > bash, rsync, portupgrade, and their dependencies. > > Hello. > > Show daily graphics one of the servers on such parameters: > 1) pps on each physical network interface. > 2) The errors on each physical network interface > 3) IOPS on disk storage and the individual HDD (if you keep records) > 4) the total CPU load and each core individually. > > Also attach detailed information on the network card (for example, pciconf -lv em0, ifconfig em0), network and NFS configuration by rc.conf > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 03:10:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE928A047A4 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576421B9C for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:10:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8E39tMx090004 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8E39tVE090001; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:09:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:09:55 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Cary cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dhclient(8) sets wrong interface netmask on boot up In-Reply-To: <55F624F9.2080202@flederma.us> Message-ID: References: <55F398CA.7050308@flederma.us> <55F46514.9020702@flederma.us> <55F624F9.2080202@flederma.us> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:09:55 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:10:00 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, Cary wrote: > On 09/12/2015 14:24, Warren Block wrote: >> On Sat, 12 Sep 2015, Cary wrote: >>> On 09/12/2015 10:45, Adam Vande More wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [/etc/rc.conf] >>>>> hostname="public.fbsd.local" >>>>> ifconfig_em0="DHCP" >>>>> cloned_interfaces="${cloned_interfaces} lo1" >>>>> >>>> >>>> previous line doesn't make much sense. >>>> >>> >>> That was copied from the FreeBSD handbook section on managing jails >>> (https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/jails-ezjail.html). I didn't think >>> that the jails would mess with the base host network configuration. >> >> Well, they add aliases. The cloned_interfaces line lets the jails use a >> separate loopback interface from the host. >> >>> However, after re-looking at the jail config, I changed the config line >>> in /usr/local/etc/ezjail/www_local from: >>> >>> export jail_www_local_ip="lo1|127.0.1.1,em0|192.168.20.166" >>> to >>> export jail_www_local_ip="lo1|127.0.1.1" >> >> Wait, you were assigning the host's IP address to the jail? That's the >> problem. >> > > Thanks, Warren. The jails-ezjail.html page sets up the dnsjail example > using both the cloned loopback and the system IP (Procedure 14.1). I > guess in that case, the system IP was static and not DHCP-assigned? Cloned loopback is fine, "working as intended" as they say. Jails always use static IP addresses. If the ezjail example can be read as suggesting reusing the host's IP address, that needs to be fixed. Duplicating an IP address between jail and host evidently does not cause quite the same problem as it would on two physical systems, but it's still a problem. The jail code should check for a reused host IP address and refuse to start. This would make a good bug report. It's also possible that this is not checked because there is some way to actually use jails that share the host IP address. If so, the right way to do that should be documented in the Handbook. >> The current setup (not specifying an IP address for the jail) ends up >> using the host's IP address again. That also seems like a mistake, but >> maybe not. > > I don't know what the default should be, but I appreciate the help in > better understanding what is happening on the back-end. Give each jail a unique static IP address. If they need to respond to something on the host's IP address, redirect that port in a firewall. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 03:34:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F426A032FD for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F23001631 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8E3XtKl095984 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:33:55 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8E3XshF095977; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:33:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:33:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: reg@dwf.com cc: Polytropon , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, reg@fw.dwf.com, Bernt Hansson Subject: Re: (Thanks) network/Postscript Printer problem In-Reply-To: <201509132148.t8DLm1UY015441@deneb.dwf.com> Message-ID: References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> <55F564D6.3090106@bananmonarki.se> <20150913142321.293c85e2.freebsd@edvax.de> <201509132148.t8DLm1UY015441@deneb.dwf.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:33:55 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:34:38 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, reg@dwf.com wrote: > > Thanks to all that responded, I finally got rid of > a couple of nasty typos, and the printer is working. > > I should be able now to put together a couple of > input filters to do single/double sided printing. This thread in the forums is a couple of years old, but shows some examples of creating a duplex-printing filter: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/lpd-print-filters.40651/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 03:57:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBC6A03FBC for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72BA81F54 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8E3vurK019006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2015 22:57:57 -0500 Subject: Re: followup storage question References: <55F2D086.6060509@hiwaay.net> <55F2F2CF.3080004@physics.umn.edu> <55F5EDDF.8040108@hiwaay.net> <4344B890-06D6-447F-8186-20AC81C86818@ccsys.com> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55F645C4.60806@hiwaay.net> Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:03:26 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4344B890-06D6-447F-8186-20AC81C86818@ccsys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:57:59 -0000 On 09/13/15 17:34, Jake wrote: >> On Sep 13, 2015, at 5:41 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> >> *Eeeeeeeeek* !!!!! >> >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:06pm] 332 % sysctl -A | grep ashift >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:10pm] 333 % uname -a >> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:47:15pm] 334 % >> >> I don't see that sysctl setting, am I missing something (No ZFS installed on this box, BTW) ? Thanks & TIA & have a nice weekend. >> >> -- >> >> William A. Mahaffey III > Yeah, it's surely just that you don't have the ZFS kernel module presently loaded. > > `kldload zfs` first. [root@kabini1, /etc, 4:48:10pm] 336 % kldload zfs [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:02:59pm] 337 % sysctl -A | grep ashift vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift: 9 vfs.zfs.max_auto_ashift: 13 [root@kabini1, /etc, 11:03:12pm] 338 % *Booooyah* !!!! Thanks. -- William A. 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Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 05:38:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6DCA04236 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 05:38:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from fep21.mx.upcmail.net (fep21.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.41]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5193817B0 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 05:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep28-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.21 201-2260-151-156-20141103) with ESMTP id <20150914053753.RHW14702.viefep28-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net> for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:37:53 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.160] ([86.101.30.40]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id Gtds1r00N0rw6r201tdsLE; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:37:53 +0200 X-SourceIP: 86.101.30.40 Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: Cannot test spamassassin, what is going on here? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55F0212B.9090708@shopzeus.com> <20150910134146.2a987efd@gumby.homeunix.com> <55F27119.4090705@shopzeus.com> <20150911143329.3c3cf3c8@gumby.homeunix.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Nagy_L=c3=a1szl=c3=b3_Zsolt?= Message-ID: <55F65D30.4080103@shopzeus.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:37:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150911143329.3c3cf3c8@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 05:38:10 -0000 >> The configuration should be the same >> ( /usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin is a symbolic link to >> /usr/local/etc/MailScanner/spam.assassin.prefs.conf > > I presume you meant that there is a symbolic link to > spam.assassin.prefs.conf *in* /usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin/ > > SpamAssassin is probably ignoring this because the file name doesn't > end in .cf - try renaming the symbolic link. You are right. After changing shell of postfix user to csh: su postfix -c 'spamassassin -p /usr/local/etc/MailScanner/spam.assassin.prefs.conf -t < /tmp/test.eml ' The result is this: > Content analysis details: (-5.0 points, 5.0 required) > > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- > -------------------------------------------------- > -5.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI RBL: Sender listed athttp://www.dnswl.org/, > high > trust > [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org] > 0.0 T_TVD_MIME_EPI BODY: No description available. > But this is wrong, because the email is still identified as ham. But the live server has identified it as spam => still cannot test spamassassin. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 06:29:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDCFA02B17 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 06:29:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA4F81CDC for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 06:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC77D7888; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:29:37 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:mime-version :message-id:date:date:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from :received:received:received; s=selector1; t=1442212176; x= 1444026577; bh=3tjEDz97dGxETxFS0GhieUEwEceNeDXh+bOqU4sY/qU=; b=M nW/eoDEdTDjX+p8QYfmea087ylSnHv6yUtNEZypaBNEfcPxha0+iZh80cn62IMix JmR267SBohSelLxIvpvJ9/t6NRh0l24AqsxrV5UGp9ZpGQaSmVz4Wn2sReYR6uGi z+dAOLSXD4M+wZfja8TIIY2X9YpbPolF9myDJMVqTw= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3c3AZk4FoHaC; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:29:36 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2CB5D7887; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:29:36 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id t8E6Ta5e048347; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:29:36 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier Nicole To: Nagy =?utf-8?B?TMOhc3psw7M=?= Zsolt Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: Cannot test spamassassin, what is going on here? In-Reply-To: <55F65D30.4080103@shopzeus.com> (message from Nagy =?utf-8?B?TMOhc3psw7M=?= Zsolt on Mon, 14 Sep 2015 07:37:52 +0200) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:29:35 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 06:29:49 -0000 Nagy L=C3=A1szl=C3=B3 Zsolt writes: > su postfix -c 'spamassassin -p /usr/local/etc/MailScanner/spam.assassin.p= refs.conf -t < /tmp/test.eml ' > > The result is this: > >> Content analysis details: (-5.0 points, 5.0 required) >> >> pts rule name description >> ---- ---------------------- >> -------------------------------------------------- >> -5.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI RBL: Sender listed athttp://www.dnswl.org/, >> high >> trust >> [8.8.178.116 listed in list.dnswl.org] >> 0.0 T_TVD_MIME_EPI BODY: No description available. >> > > But this is wrong, because the email is still identified as ham. But the = live server has identified it as spam =3D> still cannot test spamassassin. The only test you show is a network test (DNSWL), you have no action on the value returned by http://www.dnswl.org/, so it sould have returned one result when the live test was run and a different value when you run the manual test. At tmie of the manual test, it seems that the address tested is in the white list, hence the message is classified as ham. As a rule of thumb, the value of network test should be regarded very lightly when you run a single message multiple times, because they are very likely to change. Best regards, Olivier > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > --=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 08:36:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148F09CD8CE for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 08:36:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from fep12.mx.upcmail.net (fep12.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5981A1BF1 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 08:36:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep18-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.05 201-2260-151-110-20120111) with ESMTP id <20150914083549.MOBH16929.viefep18-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net>; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:35:49 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.160] ([86.101.30.40]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id Gwbn1r0020rw6r201wbnr9; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:35:49 +0200 X-SourceIP: 86.101.30.40 Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} Re: Cannot test spamassassin, what is going on here? To: Olivier Nicole References: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Nagy_L=c3=a1szl=c3=b3_Zsolt?= Message-ID: <55F686E3.8060205@shopzeus.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:35:47 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 08:36:47 -0000 >> But this is wrong, because the email is still identified as ham. But the live server has identified it as spam => still cannot test spamassassin. > The only test you show is a network test (DNSWL), you have no action on > the value returned by http://www.dnswl.org/, so it sould have returned > one result when the live test was run and a different value when you run > the manual test. > > At tmie of the manual test, it seems that the address tested is in the > white list, hence the message is classified as ham. > > As a rule of thumb, the value of network test should be regarded very > lightly when you run a single message multiple times, because they are > very likely to change. Yes, but the test message came from freebsd-questions. Right now I'm getting all of the mailing list emails with {Spam?} headers, and I get a HAM classification on any of them. Spam requires a score of 5.0 at least, and most of the messages I have tested manually scored -5.0. Network test might change, but this is definitely not the root of the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 10:36:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53476A048C9 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22c.google.com (mail-la0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDA9F1F7A for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from andrewlylegould@gmail.com) Received: by lahg1 with SMTP id g1so53907910lah.1 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:36:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=TCNwD1nhMP5ogl6VIHKyrV6dsxB0ZvApba+RsmWhD70=; b=W2U3xL0QqhjBflusCoE6Fct6AdNNQiArOc7yyfGCB2kACsUhOMH7H4uYOPrscDdS9U uC5UU1yEgtEmuBzaQ7MjhWQu0HBudr6NJYKhf8St0FQyJCScS+6NdOW7cZR9EDbFGiZR rfiOOxEH33+tMebEwY2d317DG1E/xdg19Lv9Orxc7DJoxh6G0l+20LhRzn/NCSm2tlKB eiyxkSwcYgteWA/1KYRGLlWbzlL1e1YXqUJsTUX+riGpwEHLrBfKNE706GlA0rmZx0T6 7/AmlCCHxqRIjKytihy5+XlqJ9DkUIRcQ/VPYISeq7wMZLXVJ6r8WXeKcSHN64o/5J2R 14hg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.120.130 with SMTP id lc2mr12913663lab.15.1442227008848; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.217.144 with HTTP; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 03:36:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 05:36:48 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem From: Andrew Gould To: reg@dwf.com Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Polytropon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 10:36:51 -0000 Have you tried using the port apsfilter to configure /etc/printcap? Good luck, Andrew On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 1:53 AM, wrote: > I am having nothing but trouble in trying to get printing to work under > FreeBSD with my HPLJ4100. The printer works find from linux, and I might > just give up and use the 'cups' implemenetation under FreeBSD if I can't > get lpd to work. > > Here is where I stand. > > I have the environment variabalee > > setenv PRINTER=HPLJ4100 > > dns sees the printer > > % nslookup HPLJ4100 > Server: 127.0.0.1 > Address: 127.0.0.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: HPLJ4100.dwf.com > Address: 192.168.64.30 > > I have > > lpd_enable="YES" > > in /etc/rc.conf > > I have set > > service lpd start > > numerous times, and lpd is running. > > my printcap keeps changing, but currently reads > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=9100@HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > when I do a > > lpr sum.ps > > of a postscript file, I see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > if I take the 9100@ out of the printcap file, viz > > HP-DP:\ > :rm=HPLJ4100:\ > :rp=raw:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP:\ > :lf=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/log:\ > :af=/var/spool/lpd/HP-DP/acct:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh: > > I see for the lpr > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpr sum.ps > lpr: HPLJ4100: unknown printer > > so thats the same. > > I have tried about a thousand vaiations, anc always see > > root@FreeBSD:/home/reg # lpq > lpq: printer not found > > I must be doing something basic that is wrong, but I dont see ir. > Someone tell me what Im doing wrong, this can't be this hard. > > Reg Clemens > clemens@dwf.com > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 11:25:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77187A0449E for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:25:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A1CC1D2A for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:25:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D3D824BD5; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:25:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8EBPLIE010665; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:25:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:25:21 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Andrew Gould Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Still having network/Postscript Printer problem Message-Id: <20150914132521.536a3c56.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:25:25 -0000 On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 05:36:48 -0500, Andrew Gould wrote: > Have you tried using the port apsfilter to configure /etc/printcap? I've been using apsfilter in the past. But today, printing often assumes that you're using CUPS. Of course apsfilter is great, it even has "input detection" and automatic conversion for files to print, like % lpr holiday.jpg and "pretty printing" with syntax highlighting for sources, like % lpr excellent.c But if you feed PS to a PS printer, apsfilter might be too much overhead. It's easier to simply change the PS data to contain the settings needed for duplex enabled. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 11:30:39 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261C1A0476D for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:30:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD4BD1E8A for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:30:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49E8E24DA6; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:30:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8EBUaL2010707; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:30:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 13:30:36 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Cc: reg@dwf.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Thanks) network/Postscript Printer problem Message-Id: <20150914133036.4a325347.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <201509130653.t8D6rLr8006399@deneb.dwf.com> <55F564D6.3090106@bananmonarki.se> <20150913142321.293c85e2.freebsd@edvax.de> <201509132148.t8DLm1UY015441@deneb.dwf.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:30:39 -0000 On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 21:33:54 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2015, reg@dwf.com wrote: > > > > > Thanks to all that responded, I finally got rid of > > a couple of nasty typos, and the printer is working. > > > > I should be able now to put together a couple of > > input filters to do single/double sided printing. > > This thread in the forums is a couple of years old, but shows some > examples of creating a duplex-printing filter: > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/lpd-print-filters.40651/ To enrich the mailing list with some examples, I'd like to share my own "printer filter" for duplex functionality. :-) I have defined two printers, "Laserjet" and "Laserjer-nodup" in /etc/printcap, created their spool directories and made them almost identical, except for the printer filters, which themselves are almost identical, as you'll see: This is the duplex filter: /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-dup.sh #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 /usr/local/bin/gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER \ -sDEVICE=ljet4d -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ -dDuplex=true \ -sOutputFile=- - && exit 0 exit 2 And this is the simplex filter: /opt/libexec/ps2pcl-nodup.sh #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/printf "\033&k2G" || exit 2 /usr/local/bin/gs -q -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER -dSAFER \ -sDEVICE=ljet4d -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -r600x600 \ -sOutputFile=- - && exit 0 exit 2 However, those filters translate the input PS to output PCL. I did this because the printer in question (HP Laserjet 4000 DN) will print PCL faster than PS. That's the only reason. You need to install the Ghostscript port (gs) for this task. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 18:48:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2475A043FF for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ramirocaso08@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x22a.google.com (mail-qk0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B01811156 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ramirocaso08@gmail.com) Received: by qkdw123 with SMTP id w123so62188883qkd.0 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=to:from:subject:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8BqCSJ5C7FqMeNQj1Dd+dKaqfw80c+EZHX+j8APtFvI=; b=Qvaei8f2wtpBmfI0yTQKU0/mQCuGHO/li8dscwdZc7T1pM/RXAK+bIYzPmrX4XjVHM 16Js8G44omE2+S0RFoJwI0Sm00f5A8e2fm9lOW5Q+gLZjO1+4NEOsFvpKXWTT0kFaHy8 mb4VwzDNdoHCDEUCg2Fbfk/INHofrz72hZrQKCl/yMDUynN/Y9xpdz2mXt9ye19tUrqw Ni+AUq+mXop2/yRKAExX6JHDppjrItW3rl6KCkiUGcxYBjv/3Gx7bYvN6WrG/VpyeXoO KN2grPalvx4BM3Mj4LhAl/IhQWqZognqk+eO2HS/zCKxdPJaWMaUJ6CC01v1ENhqHUt7 sq4A== X-Received: by 10.55.192.75 with SMTP id o72mr24134794qki.88.1442256481410; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([186.22.126.147]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q21sm6404444qki.35.2015.09.14.11.47.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Sep 2015 11:48:00 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ramiro Caso Subject: Epson XP-211 anyone? Message-ID: <55F71650.7010002@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 15:47:44 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 18:48:03 -0000 Does anyone have any experience with Epson's XP-211 printer? Does it work well under FreeBSD (both printing and scanning)? The printing setup is simple: just a home printing server, FreeBSD + CUPS. Any feedback will be of help. Best, Ramiro From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 19:31:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5146CA03C77 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:31:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from out-002.lax.mailroute.net (002.lax.mailroute.net [199.89.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3869F1359 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by out-002.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3nFHm03L0Vz5vYx; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:28:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from out-002.lax.mailroute.net ([199.89.1.5]) by localhost (002.lax.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id HQOkDk5QQQJU; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by out-002.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3nFHly2LJmz5vRB; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C44E023BF; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:28:12 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Patrick Hess Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Let pkg upgrade packages that were installed from binary only? References: <55EEA459.1050304@shopzeus.com> <7254888.Ivp9dgZRl1@desk8.phess.net> x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.2.13.17; tzolkin = 13 Caban; haab = 5 Chen Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 12:28:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <7254888.Ivp9dgZRl1@desk8.phess.net> (Patrick Hess's message of "Wed, 09 Sep 2015 23:24:59 +0200") Message-ID: <86a8sool6b.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:31:54 -0000 >>>>> "Patrick" =3D=3D Patrick Hess writes: Patrick> Nagy L=C3=A1szl=C3=B3 Zsolt wrote: >> So is there a way to tell "pkg" that it should not automatically install= =20 >> dependencies from packages that were installed from the ports tree? Patrick> You can use "pkg lock ..." to tell pkg(8) not to mess with the pac= kages Patrick> that you want to compile yourself from the ports tree. You can still run in to dependency hell that way. The moment you start setting non-default options, the best way I've found is setting up poudriere. It's amazingly easy once you get the hang of it, and you can do a "build" without breaking your current installation until it builds clean. --=20 Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Sep 14 22:14:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD906A04FC0 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 22:14:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from universite@ukr.net) Received: from frv190.fwdcdn.com (frv190.fwdcdn.com [212.42.77.190]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9160D18D0 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 2015 22:14:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from universite@ukr.net) Received: from [10.10.1.23] (helo=frv199.fwdcdn.com) by frv190.fwdcdn.com with esmtp ID 1Zbc12-000Bhy-Ba for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 01:14:24 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=ffe; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:To:Subject:From:Date; bh=UtG/cGbpkk3CJMxqHA8LBl/dh3ibu3vU3VGDHlLBuu4=; b=jpyRKCZ9VnulCEoLsKKzAbQkhR8PQX6A2sjQHXnP+GYPbaAM6S3CnmaohpkAhpycYvBDYoS7bTQ967V0wm3M2EzdMjjt4daJTK9rYvWJhHIloDoyeZXERNcnLzey7RC3Ym1jgV7alEyLHXWH0AI68RnzPaGrLWUtzsZHbS5+fhU=; Received: from [10.10.10.35] (helo=frv35.fwdcdn.com) by frv199.fwdcdn.com with smtp ID 1Zbc0q-000Bfp-Ri for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 01:14:12 +0300 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 01:14:12 +0300 From: Vladislav Prodan Subject: Re[2]: Problems with ZFS file servers To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: mail.ukr.net 5.0 Message-Id: <1442267713.360040098.um8wwy4s@frv35.fwdcdn.com> In-Reply-To: <55F62523.7010402@rpi.edu> References: <55F5CF06.5080602@rpi.edu> <1442191342.426007007.amnhjwng@frv35.fwdcdn.com> <55F62523.7010402@rpi.edu> X-Reply-Action: reply Received: from universite@ukr.net by frv35.fwdcdn.com; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 01:14:12 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2015 22:14:28 -0000   --- Original message --- From: "Bob Healey" Date: 14 September 2015, 04:38:55 http://origami.phys.rpi.edu/~healer/trouble for some of the requested information. Other bits I am not sure how to collect. The switch stats go back 68 days to when the machine was powered on after some electrical work elsewhere in the building. Show more output: pciconf -lv igb0 pciconf -lv igb1 camcontrol devlist zpool list zpool status zfs list cat /etc/sysctl.conf cat /boot/loader.conf The output port statistics from the switch will not help. :( We need it daily or weekly graphics the packets to quickly identify "narrow" place. Using packages Cacti (cacti.net), plugins for Cacti and bsnmpd (man bsnmpd) to get similar graphics: http://s018.radikal.ru/i504/1509/96/2b35debb98a7.png http://s018.radikal.ru/i511/1509/c5/39bd198c41ef.png http://s017.radikal.ru/i444/1509/e6/ae94b8705f16.png http://i008.radikal.ru/1509/ed/04f024594dd5.png http://s020.radikal.ru/i723/1509/5d/03c5129e9f9e.png http://s011.radikal.ru/i315/1509/85/d89c2b1ebd3b.png  Bob Healey Systems Administrator Biocomputation and Bioinformatics Constellation and Molecularium healer@rpi.edu (518) 276-4407 On 9/13/2015 9:07 PM, Vladislav Prodan wrote: > > > --- Original message --- > From: "Bob Healey" < healer@rpi.edu > > Date: 13 September 2015, 22:33:08 > > Hi. > > I've been semi-successfully running multi-homed ZFS based NFS file > servers. Every 30-90 days I have to reboot them, or they become > non-responsive on one or more interfaces. My only error messages are my > RHEL 5 clients complaining the server is unreachable, and the output of > netstat -i showing fast increasing input errors. I am running > 10.1-RELEASE patched to 7/2/15. Installed ports are minimal, mainly > bash, rsync, portupgrade, and their dependencies. > > Hello. > > Show daily graphics one of the servers on such parameters: > 1) pps on each physical network interface. > 2) The errors on each physical network interface > 3) IOPS on disk storage and the individual HDD (if you keep records) > 4) the total CPU load and each core individually. > > Also attach detailed information on the network card (for example, pciconf -lv em0, ifconfig em0), network and NFS configuration by rc.conf > > > _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Vladislav V. Prodan System & Network Administrator support.od.ua From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 04:11:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8815FA04735 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 04:11:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noname.esst@yahoo.com) Received: from nm22-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm22-vm3.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.152]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F0EA1A7C for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 04:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from noname.esst@yahoo.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1442290127; bh=YCvTfSz68F8/ziQRp8sOsxy65v1dV6S/RuID9m3pJDM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:From:Subject; b=DOEbK8lOG+dqTzBripwC7dU2pIgaUxoRQ7OwUIR2CK9Cmkbo5nv11pd5e/3DXGQn/eNP2bCBwD7UZ5+FycCQZMBYjWdoPuyaHYRs2BvflhKncLbgssKpHuhVUVpt9R/GEK3bzpR1Doy3XcMt8p+DQ5bdXs7XkCGQ/ONdlUf9hHVOzkrfH82fXO3MrkuUBYkc96q8iJxQJ6Oo2T+FhmkYcf+JzMqj1MwkiYCvsViZYbgrWEXc04Uad8Ba73wp8hCz53XAn7o0Ivhh3Py64NmqCQ54vh6U1iTXtKWz2R+KvbTb97YuI3/CKJC44I/GQUHGKzySuRMrFOJZjTRXmxo+HQ== Received: from [98.138.226.176] by nm22.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 04:08:47 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.174] by tm11.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 04:08:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 04:08:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 798085.23176.bm@omp1030.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: 80piz.MVM1ksY4tg5YjVdunkuS2Y3H2TTHEydSzRUZoUJQiiHbFyMSQYEJlYudv 3md0Ax_IZECa4Wry0jQ166f9ckrKLjnU.alCV5jYk.AvWT62OdDjPi96ai92GSry0xsQkFH1a8Z1 jSLHKP3Bh01CuuBDDoVKyw_R8aHZICGxZmbFN72IILyhP7MPZW_UzuwWvOotqJwb9fRCmYqnYOwS y.pHVITyLhwLXS7aQjci9Hx_iJCbYgNRhzmTTTdmCEOoZXoGQoLY1e1MWG7Mt.8PLoHYFBlKXftJ X.DywElFNIJQkuo_RocH4XDOMqRAErq1qYM7_LvESas6t8TXLKfrItDWhCFoIADIB7x8w3cGzodf uH70I3jZZtcour1UF283h29yXbIyVmG8Grx79kDxxIMZVhpkMazlmKuEiwz5eOT1r36a5Bq869C2 BU7dqw8p6geGp8sX0U7VlPaDg.x9ugKrp_O9oM9B.dII3Bn5V8kdKUjjb45z_wIekiEPyg1Xl1w6 uB7W7.zn29ICv2s0- Received: by 98.138.101.163; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 04:08:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 04:08:43 +0000 (UTC) From: Nomad Esst Reply-To: Nomad Esst To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <1354414719.67099.1442290123813.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: make fails MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 04:11:50 -0000 I'm trying to compile netgraph. When I change the ng_base.c file, I face this error : warning: missing braces around initializer No matter what the change is, the error appears every time. Even when I add a space to file !After some googlings I found out that this is a gcc bug. How can ignore these warnings? Regards. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 09:13:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21264A03140 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:13:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F061489 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:13:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.12] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8F9DJHY060236 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 02:13:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 02:13:18 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> To: FreeBSD Questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:13:27 -0000 After spending a lot of time reading through the various responses, I = decided to use a larger SSD and use dump/restore to move the data. = However, I encountered an interesting problem which I do not have a = solution for at this time. The system will only boot a memstick image. = That works fine. I formatted the new SSD and got it all setup. = However, none of the current systems have enough space to do a dump on. = I needed to dump from the existing machine over to the new one with the = SSD. The only thing running on the SSD machine is the live file system. = Dump uses rsh/rcmd which need some files set in /root. Unfortunately = that is mounted as read only as its a memstick image. I can=92t see how = to easily get dump to dump to a remote system when you can=92t get = rsh/rcmd to login. Since the SSD has a swap partition, perhaps I could newfs that and then = mount it over /root? That might be a bit messy but might work.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 09:44:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65235A048C3 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01B3E17C8 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:44:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25106D7889 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:44:46 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :subject:subject:from:from:received:received:received; s= selector1; t=1442310285; x=1444124686; bh=1ZJQuX9byP6FImjdFh01Ln IS2PZhKt5Mmg6lxboKk8k=; b=JOg1DE5N5WuX8wGuD4c6FlArAoddfPg/ZWay28 Ljo+OTvxsvwqiC1l7Hk9vJcCU+aD1hFNIJiwf4Z70m+zsv/R9yGnLXwFgdmJUfdi j5Fjf5K3ac4iRX0fKqj2Td7+DlrcEeY9STveLkxwDs/YyHMIkkH9HSTtqQNvAopT 2HMwo= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Jzob9oDa9FA2 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:44:45 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09A41D7887 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:44:44 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id t8F9iiZG057594; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:44:44 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem starting named in FreeBSD 10.2 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:44:43 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:44:56 -0000 Hi, I am having problems starting named in FreeBSD 10.2. I have been using the exact same rc.d/named script for years, it is still working in FreeBSD 10.1 The rc.d/named script contains a REQUIRE line that is not honnorred: # REQUIRE: NETWORKING ldconfig syslogd on the consle I have the following messages: [...] Starting syslogd. Sep 15 16:02:38 syslogd: hostname nor servname provided, or not known: Bad file descriptor Shared object "libxml2.so.2" not found, required by "named-checkconf" /etc/rc; WARNING; named-checkconf failed for /usr/local/sbin/named-checkconf -t /var/chroot/named /etc/namedb/named.conf Starting named. Shared object "libxml2.so.2" not found, required by "named" /etc/rc; WARNING; failed to start named /etc/rc: WARNING: Ignoring scratch file /etc/rc.d/named~ /etc/rc: WARNING: Ignoring scratch file /usr/local/etc/rc.d/named~ ELF ldconfig path: /lib /usr/lib /usr/lib/compat /usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/c ompat/pkg /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg /usr/local/lib/gcc48 /usr/local/lib/nss a.out ldconfig path: /usr/lib/aout /usr/lib/compat/aout Loading vmmemctl kernel module: VMware memory control driver initialized done. Loading vmxnet kernel module: done. Loading vmblock kernel module: done. Loading vmhgfs kernel module: done. Clearing /tmp (X related). [...] Clearly, named cannot start because it cannot find libxml2.so.2 and it cannot find the library because ldconfig has not been started yet. When the system has finished booting, rc.d/named will start without any problem. What could cause the fact tha ldconfig directive is being ignored (on the dump above, ldcnfig starts *after* named). This is bugging me quite a bit and ideas are welcome. best regards, Olivier -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 12:34:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B87A02392 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.gorniak@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk0-x233.google.com (mail-qk0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 498381CF2 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:34:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.gorniak@gmail.com) Received: by qkdw123 with SMTP id w123so71001595qkd.0 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 05:34:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=95xjH+f/FA+xqyq/3FSNm9iPOBV0dZpXHQfocy7X7us=; b=UUJDbS+ooULe0p85LerVPvfnbr2EI3T8zg5IrCc3V5EuggBntW3Qlv3X1W72I2QgLJ Fp1tUYct2Vp+Vdz7cpc7xir1EuhdbSwBv2okkek38wGy7YNYKFKoDd0y+MQopLFuNiUa 4B7J2xc656bKgOR1/sukGmfZ7pW9F0wCBJduKNaSMHDRAxLe4Kza0k/pCHO1t2OTLTL9 iGeca5YNnWJVpi1ScwZHjm0liblsa1uqpLl11fsE+aQ6syV/VEbQ0iqrtGj4s1Lc70cH 15sOJcIlB2XwTZQokZWCE88SuvdWFixtuq4v7LufU0q63hidk6kylMj1p0Ly2Imr40ug cRzw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.204.208 with SMTP id n77mr31353636qkl.46.1442320482416; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 05:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.55.51.68 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 05:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:34:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: 10.2-RELEASE not forwarding packets/NATing with pf From: =?UTF-8?Q?Mariusz_G=C3=B3rniak?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:34:43 -0000 My FBSD 10.2 doesn't forward either :( It's FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE #0 r286666: Wed Aug 12 15:26:37 UTC 2015 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 /etc/rc.conf gateway_enable=3D"YES" kldstat: kernel fdescfs.ko uhid.ko pflog.ko pf.ko # sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding net.inet.ip.forwarding: 1 Ifconfig: ifconfig_bge1=3D"inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_bge1_alias0=3D"inet 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_bge0=3D"dhcp" Though bge0 is dynamic it always has the same IP assigned. And the new input: # pfctl -sr No ALTQ support in kernel ALTQ related functions disabled pass out all flags S/SA keep state pass out on bge0 proto udp all keep state pass in all flags S/SA keep state I don't need ALTQ but all the rules rdr are ignored. It's works as a router but I can't forward to any 192.168.1.xx address :( --=20 Pozdrawiam! Kind regards! Herzliche Gr=C3=BCsse! ><((((=C2=BA>`=C2=B7.=C2=B8=C2=B8.=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8.=C2=B7= =C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7...=C2=B8><((((=C2=BA>=C2=B8.Mariusz@Gorniak.PL gadu-gad= u#1404178 http://mariusz.gorniak.pl =C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8. , . .=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.. ><((((= =C2=BA>`=C2=B7.=C2=B8=C2=B8.=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8 ><((((=C2=BA>`=C2=B7.=C2=B8=C2=B8.=C2=B7=C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7.=C2=B8.=C2=B7= =C2=B4=C2=AF`=C2=B7...=C2=B8><((((=C2=BA>=C2=B8. The essence of life is not= long life, but true life. 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L. Martinez" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:43:10 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 10.2-RELEASE not forwarding packets/NATing with pf To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:43:52 -0000 On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Mariusz G=C3=B3rniak wrote: > My FBSD 10.2 doesn't forward either :( > It's > FreeBSD 10.2-RELEASE #0 r286666: Wed Aug 12 15:26:37 UTC 2015 > root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > > /etc/rc.conf > gateway_enable=3D"YES" > > kldstat: > kernel > fdescfs.ko > uhid.ko > pflog.ko > pf.ko > > # sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding > net.inet.ip.forwarding: 1 > > > Ifconfig: > ifconfig_bge1=3D"inet 192.168.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_bge1_alias0=3D"inet 192.168.7.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_bge0=3D"dhcp" > > Though bge0 is dynamic it always has the same IP assigned. > > > And the new input: > > # pfctl -sr > No ALTQ support in kernel > ALTQ related functions disabled > pass out all flags S/SA keep state > pass out on bge0 proto udp all keep state > pass in all flags S/SA keep state > > > I don't need ALTQ but all the rules rdr are ignored. > It's works as a router but I can't forward to any 192.168.1.xx address :( > It is the same problem that occurs when you use FreeBSD+PF as a kvm guest or hyper-v guest ... But, ipfw works ok in all cases ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 14:03:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E16FA04655 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47C9F1204 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:03:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8FE3FIP011637 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8FE3FCO011634; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:03:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:03:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Doug Hardie cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD In-Reply-To: <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> Message-ID: References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 08:03:15 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:03:17 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: > After spending a lot of time reading through the various responses, I > decided to use a larger SSD and use dump/restore to move the data. > However, I encountered an interesting problem which I do not have a > solution for at this time. The system will only boot a memstick > image. That works fine. I formatted the new SSD and got it all > setup. However, none of the current systems have enough space to do a > dump on. I needed to dump from the existing machine over to the new > one with the SSD. The only thing running on the SSD machine is the > live file system. Dump uses rsh/rcmd which need some files set in > /root. Unfortunately that is mounted as read only as its a memstick > image. I can’t see how to easily get dump to dump to a remote system > when you can’t get rsh/rcmd to login. The live filesystem from an installer will work, although mfsBSD is nicer. Pipe the output from dump into an ssh session on the remote machine that runs restore. Leaving out most of the options for clarity: dump -f - | ssh user@remote 'cd /target && restore -rf -' If a dump file is desired, it can be created on the SSD filesystem: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_code_dump_code_via_ssh That file can be restored directly on that system. Since the SSD has essentially zero access time, it does not hurt like restoring a dumpfile on the same drive. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 14:08:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B8EA048AD for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no (smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no [IPv6:2001:700:1100:1:200:ff:fe00:b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.fagskolen.gjovik.no", Issuer "Fagskolen i Gj??vik" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DD181423 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:08:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from mail.fig.ol.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8FE7w8O017024 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:07:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by mail.fig.ol.no (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8FE7wAA017021; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:07:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@fagskolen.gjovik.no) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.fig.ol.no: trond owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:07:58 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= Sender: Trond.Endrestol@fagskolen.gjovik.no To: kpneal@pobox.com cc: Olivier Nicole , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem starting named in FreeBSD 10.2 In-Reply-To: <20150915134019.GB23168@neutralgood.org> Message-ID: References: <20150915134019.GB23168@neutralgood.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) Organization: Fagskolen Innlandet OpenPGP: url=http://fig.ol.no/~trond/trond.key MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-ID: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED, AWL autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.fig.ol.no Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:08:24 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:40-0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 04:44:43PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I am having problems starting named in FreeBSD 10.2. I have been using > > the exact same rc.d/named script for years, it is still working in FreeBSD 10.1 > > > > The rc.d/named script contains a REQUIRE line that is not honnorred: > > > > # REQUIRE: NETWORKING ldconfig syslogd > > Is it possible there is a loop in the dependencies somewhere? I can imagine > breaking a loop by ignoring a REQUIRE line somewhere. Try running (sh syntax): rcorder /etc/rc.d/* /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* 2>&1 | less On one of my DNS servers, I see these lines: /etc/rc.d/ipfw /etc/rc.d/NETWORKING <-- /etc/rc.d/netwait /etc/rc.d/mountcritremote /etc/rc.d/accounting /etc/rc.d/ldconfig <-- /etc/rc.d/newsyslog /etc/rc.d/syslogd <-- /etc/rc.d/ntpdate /etc/rc.d/rpcbind /etc/rc.d/nfsclient /etc/rc.d/devfs /etc/rc.d/ipmon /etc/rc.d/mdconfig2 /usr/local/etc/rc.d/named <-- /etc/rc.d/kdc If libxml2.so.2 is missing from /usr/local/lib, then check to see if files named libxml2.so.2.* exists in /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/. In a pinch you might be able to move on by running something like this: ln -s libxml2.so.2.9.2 /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libxml2.so.2 Substitute libxml2.so.2.9.2 with the newest file as found in your /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg directory. In my case, I can choose between libxml2.so.2.9.1 and libxml2.so.2.9.2. Next, I would probably reinstall/forcefully upgrade textproc/libxml2. -- +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | Vennlig hilsen, | Best regards, | | Trond Endrestøl, | Trond Endrestøl, | | IT-ansvarlig, | System administrator, | | Fagskolen Innlandet, | Gjøvik Technical College, Norway, | | tlf. mob. 952 62 567, | Cellular...: +47 952 62 567, | | sentralbord 61 14 54 00. | Switchboard: +47 61 14 54 00. | +-------------------------------+------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 14:10:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FA14A04B03 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:10:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from forward12p.cmail.yandex.net (forward12p.cmail.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:0:1465::ba]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "forwards.mail.yandex.net", Issuer "Certum Level IV CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF2AC1611 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:10:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eriklauritsen@yandex.com) Received: from web2g.yandex.ru (web2g.yandex.ru [95.108.252.102]) by forward12p.cmail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 8314D209D5 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:10:32 +0300 (MSK) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by web2g.yandex.ru (Yandex) with ESMTP id 236D44862165; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:10:32 +0300 (MSK) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1442326232; bh=3HUnCScHtby3cXzvTEwl1jIe6eB38PQtalu7uUByka4=; h=From:To:Subject:Date; b=vr7F3vTiqCoR60J1S18SwrzvjwwO2lSVwu3K704n+yZvPR1XZCSq287XVNM9r2r7n KTulcxR+mdYvMq+doTWdh7rCg6aptfyxktEVq3snpNKM3pUT8tf9NJalBdNVwinsRx PCYcYQPZN262dnBwzz9uk5xrt6fO6fWXl2Zq79Pc= Received: by web2g.yandex.ru with HTTP; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:10:31 +0300 From: Erik Lauritsen To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Poor support for graphic cards MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> X-Mailer: Yamail [ http://yandex.ru ] 5.0 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:10:31 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:10:45 -0000 Hi Why does FreeBSD has such poor support for graphic cards? I would never consider using a Nvidia card with a closed source driver so I need something other than Nvidia. I have looked at the wiki for supported cards and the list is very small. Is that because people are simple recommended using Nvidia cards with their closed binary driver so it is not considered "that important", or is it because of a lack of developers or something else? It makes it almost impossible to run FreeBSD on a desktop with video watching capabilities. Kind regards From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 14:25:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACE1BA04298 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:25:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 453231F12 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40C8A3D5FF; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:25:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8FEPWVj005278; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:25:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:25:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Erik Lauritsen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poor support for graphic cards Message-Id: <20150915162532.26c5af18.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> References: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:25:43 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:10:31 +0100, Erik Lauritsen wrote: > Why does FreeBSD has such poor support for graphic cards? Support for graphics card (with the intention of "display graphics") is primarily a thing of X, not of FreeBSD. > I would never consider using a Nvidia card with a closed source > driver so I need something other than Nvidia. I'm using the closed source driver and it works much better than the alternatives. For nVidia cards, those are "nv" and "nouveau". Both work fine for usual desktop use, but aren't fast at 3D (typical use for gaming); this is where the "nvidia" driver achieves much better results. In the past, the X supplied driver "ati" worked very good for ATI cards. I don't know if this is the case today, but I think I read that the use of ATI cards is somehow discouraged (and only a subset of cards works sufficiently well). Additionally, I've been using Intel graphics (in laptops) with the corresponding driver - works very good as well. > I have looked at the wiki for supported cards and the list is very small. Look at X and the documentation of the three "major brands": nVidia, ATI, Intel. You will see that a _ton_ of cards is supported. Maybe not all imaginable models, especially the bleeding edge ones, will be supported similarly. > Is that because people are simple recommended using Nvidia cards > with their closed binary driver so it is not considered "that > important", or is it because of a lack of developers or something > else? I can't speak for others, but I may say that I've not chosen nVidia - it was in the machine, so I only had choice on the driver, and the closed source driver simply delivered the best results in comparison. Previously, I've _decided_ to buy ATI, but that was many years ago. I'm not sure if I can recommend ATI today simply because of a lack of experience. It's not that I buy graphics cards every day... :-) > It makes it almost impossible to run FreeBSD on a desktop with > video watching capabilities. Nonsense. You could watch videos with FreeBSD for decades. Has graphics hardware disimproved that much that it isn't possible anymore? Sure, I know, the requirements have been increasing to watch postage stamp sized videos in web browsers, but hey, this is the year 2015 (still no flying cars though), so if I tell you that I could watch videos in fullscreen with a 10 years old ATI card on a FreeBSD 5 system with a singlecore processor and 512 MB RAM, why shouldn't it be possible today? Please note that this is my _very individual_ opinion and personal experience. I'm running FreeBSD exclusively on my home desktop for gaming, video watching and editing, multimedia, web browsing and many other things. For more than 10 years now. It's simply hard for me to believe that something "so normal" could be a problem with our advanced technology today... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 16:33:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10AAAA04A77 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qk0-x229.google.com (mail-qk0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFB5110AE for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:33:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by qkdw123 with SMTP id w123so74488140qkd.0 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:33:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:organization:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XjYX5HP1vh2WjooIFU/zJlCmKGTqSwaAsbn0TPmSZKw=; b=RBgMqKw/PTPkto3u5vlbDSnvgzmzkqkgFI/FGopqiPl9oU3GtHJyBVM8+JbpD5CIm5 WxizSy99wABouhSwuhkZFpbz1kBJnXKk+UHGCu7ohWM8HeP82ZD4Qh8ccoy/mBzdIA6R A6fo6QzoLd28oHUQzuVdT+4KQTDXWnbt1Qm18= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XjYX5HP1vh2WjooIFU/zJlCmKGTqSwaAsbn0TPmSZKw=; b=IVy31do5iObOqYybULJpeBObIyCJp7oh7dgkg2ogoJdOAbSVkCqNkcgpS/1/V4U44b 3o4ifA25eCCl6C6RREFm4DZSr0jcLDtzgc92unt0izthR+xCWA1C/e5W4JuaAQAQCDa8 Wl6PDzWtBIRfmdg9xxYDCFQMlJxptOTgNHlMORs4+JXQNx9dsCIL0yWB3N3zEXcVeo3P nnz/UdogVPJICfYMN50W1efTDpvFrGDucbQsDdaptJ8i9asqeG+nJLpFkF9oB4K3Eeaa TloG85yJVwUI33yUbm1dJ79ojHiAlF+p6MftoYbvWtHXspBhNbBC+B2FR5qgMV1Xl9uq aFAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQneKaf+yYFGwAlqlqdf6CkmU6nBfRku/Qgj5pe/DaAAUDRvFnQZd7e3ytB7Qpu34uU/3Raw X-Received: by 10.55.55.68 with SMTP id e65mr32792444qka.24.1442334788567; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-28-112.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.28.112]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 100sm8281771qky.6.2015.09.15.09.33.07 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nFqqQ2xslz3DlWX for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:33:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 12:33:06 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Forcing use of newer version of OpenSSL Message-ID: <20150915123306.55760c0d@seibercom.net> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:33:10 -0000 I have both OpenSSL 1.0.1l-freebsd 15 Jan 2015 {located in /usr/bin} and OpenSSL 1.0.2d 9 Jul 2015 {located in /usr/local/bin} residing on my system. Now, I want to use and hopefully link programs against the "port", ie, newer version. If I adjust the path to use "/usr/local/bin" first, some programs fail to build. I discovered this a few months ago and received that bit of knowledge on this forum. I therefore changed the path so "/usr/bin" goes before "/usr/local/bin". That has the effect of causing the older version of OpenSSL being used. Other than permanently changing the path, and then changing it back when a build fails, how can I permanently fix this problem. IMHO, the newer version should permanently overwrite the older version. I don't need or want to versions. Since the older version comes with the base system, I am hesitant to try and remove it. In a perfect world, the base system would be updated, but I guess that is not going to happen anytime soon. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 17:01:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62635A02A2A for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09A8410B3 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:01:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id t8FH0oND022708 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:00:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t8FH0oND022708 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t8FH0oND022708; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Subject: Re: Forcing use of newer version of OpenSSL To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20150915123306.55760c0d@seibercom.net> From: Matthew Seaman X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55F84EC1.3090908@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:00:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150915123306.55760c0d@seibercom.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ngL4tWUCJql15i8r7QJRoJ0XXfGwLlGWt" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:01:03 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ngL4tWUCJql15i8r7QJRoJ0XXfGwLlGWt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/15/15 17:33, Jerry wrote: > I have both OpenSSL 1.0.1l-freebsd 15 Jan 2015 {located in /usr/bin} an= d > OpenSSL 1.0.2d 9 Jul 2015 {located in /usr/local/bin} residing on my sy= stem. > Now, I want to use and hopefully link programs against the "port", ie, = newer > version. If I adjust the path to use "/usr/local/bin" first, some progr= ams > fail to build. I discovered this a few months ago and received that bit= of > knowledge on this forum. I therefore changed the path so "/usr/bin" goe= s > before "/usr/local/bin". That has the effect of causing the older versi= on of > OpenSSL being used. >=20 > Other than permanently changing the path, and then changing it back whe= n a > build fails, how can I permanently fix this problem. IMHO, the newer ve= rsion > should permanently overwrite the older version. I don't need or want t= o > versions. Since the older version comes with the base system, I am hesi= tant > to try and remove it. In a perfect world, the base system would be upda= ted, > but I guess that is not going to happen anytime soon. For anything you want to compile from ports, just add: WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=3D yes to /etc/make.conf (or /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf if you're using poudriere) Additionally you have to be careful of some ports that have GSSAPI options -- don't enable GSSAPI support from the base system, or you'll end up with a binary linked against two different versions of OpenSSL libraries. Apart from that, the ports openssl is pretty much a drop-in replacement. For stuff you're compiling yourself, outside of ports, you need to force your compilation to use the appropriate -I (for include files) and -L (for libraries) search paths when compiling C code. How to do this is specific to the compilation system used by whatever code your trying to compile. It's not feasible to remove openssl from base -- too much stuff in base needs it -- nor is it feasible to overwrite the base openssl with the ports version -- the ABIs have changed between the two versions. I believe the ultimate plan is to make the base version of openssl a private library and require all ported software to use the ports version of openssl, but that is for future implementation. Cheers, Matthew =09 --ngL4tWUCJql15i8r7QJRoJ0XXfGwLlGWt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJV+E7CAAoJEABRPxDgqeTngwYP/i+VKcwoo2IiHRV++IVJLEBg /hiO8xCfRempCULSMb6DYiJpCHMlLs5cPazOntFikvasEOxaMdZxSe15r3cxOmi5 BOZ2n/3pxN+2oN2TIhyO7fmahSsdVVOz9J/Uavub9v1AWlGp400CQjBoNgK8I7Qd qcVKIObn73ytArVdLVJX40tpT9hG/jEd/jno4udWVZOxZsAjQgYY/Q8U8BGN971c QGXjsA3GCvjlwTjGT++FR7L1y0lrLSpWRCBqBQXE3nA3toHw5ETJExsovsmzCcxQ xtr4hJ9o+7WLbzkEDhtSJQriJF0WKtLXJb1BSU4E1EzeuAWRPD+fY/D/I52RuJ2D D27771g+4fbR8cq9D16VyYPxARb5wePqR8bmvWYhvootewJCXRKorKKPJZ+zvLrs O9IlnfBDHIyFihd0qo3ZMQfWAZeP5McRsGNTYH5480LK3QaI42YcPJv+PZInPT6c t+ukfkeUbn1gr1/K0rMGHFJoBzi87OAWbpEHbtFsJBAKh3a7JRzYywH+gOZQvVPa O8f/jONfuiYQH67AlY7Vxkiav9ZGyXZqScnU4ZKvWOMXR09JI5J4np+csAq+JNWq ML1V+7Ioxfr7MxwsusUvHvIeayNyYwlRDy8UBKOTaCz7KSi1di4bfM1uCG7pp7Ic VKbXum3rkx7tUf/T3B9g =B+Cq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ngL4tWUCJql15i8r7QJRoJ0XXfGwLlGWt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 17:53:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D12BA04755 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:53:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-lb0-f195.google.com (mail-lb0-f195.google.com [209.85.217.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1BE51BE1 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:53:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by lbnt2 with SMTP id t2so9878973lbn.1 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 10:53:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=hDuPNNwv7v/yP5dDSdRanUJEoufnshZS4db8LRJzhBQ=; b=XRRHN1KrMHj4bLfAY1K4dbR84ipwnM5D0Fg70d4HF40RyY03D9//61wTjp2l9FlPqu EgMck3BKAPKD9ZEZZLZdGjOuWgoAk5z6jFeQ1bG6AM2yoqzEngv8AKcNOcinj8KoTdZ6 mXpGUiwomdsgOFAua79uEx4MGooYA99ImdpuoQ/BBB/7duUcWLNGcxZp6lshqrjC3gF4 XlOxHxr05kim9WEznKdnhc8hkIkMnhPGRfSgkhBz/tCfvDNrjn4oO8qaSnJa36Lz1aLT OBKASm7S1PpyrkSer89Bfvk8b6ccOBRPK4lQgKLrMfvKyhwzP7tPsA+/fPqJRtb1+H7v nCAw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnewtzQuHZU3mLkJoqc7NMVDntoD/HrryJsQN+0uxhV5joEipsDPIU5vMhV8+BgPFzuDDcs MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.184.137 with SMTP id eu9mr21526059lbc.21.1442326761894; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.133.130 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [2606:6000:cd06:7f00:2922:1b1e:20b7:d533] Received: by 10.25.133.130 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 07:19:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> References: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 07:19:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Poor support for graphic cards From: "Brian W." To: Erik Lauritsen Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:53:28 -0000 Perhaps because they are so non interested in gui support that it isn't offered in an install; you have ton do it manually by yourself, or use pcbsd. Brian On Sep 15, 2015 7:10 AM, "Erik Lauritsen" wrote: > Hi > > Why does FreeBSD has such poor support for graphic cards? > > I would never consider using a Nvidia card with a closed source driver so > I need something other than Nvidia. I have looked at the wiki for supported > cards and the list is very small. > > Is that because people are simple recommended using Nvidia cards with > their closed binary driver so it is not considered "that important", or is > it because of a lack of developers or something else? > > It makes it almost impossible to run FreeBSD on a desktop with video > watching capabilities. > > Kind regards > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 18:07:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E5DA04ED4 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:07:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qg0-x22e.google.com (mail-qg0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1753E15C6 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:07:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by qgt47 with SMTP id 47so150145065qgt.2 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:07:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=2CdDOOuGNwkYM2JrX7nSaES/wp46ec8IkKFKmY3LCGg=; b=ZNUgoeIffPSSETIzNIHFiucIcYaJc1S1gxvfhZMOWjXmVWMR7smEIVnJ1ba9scSNGc GgsnuzcJ+OvUUderKF3qvuqqCC7xxOzeT0PJ4F8g9SoWzuRAndzMm+LruxMCXeJYbPtO fuRErsn0uLP1PzvpHyX9nsbynIHrd3Zj/eCsI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type; bh=2CdDOOuGNwkYM2JrX7nSaES/wp46ec8IkKFKmY3LCGg=; b=B1qQ3n/KQFV3PpIOUt47epHkth2H0fXgOC6hvruDaQNy0MJ0kRLZr+v87kU03LWR/4 s4OZyoiDOSgOZE+AzHi/SHzpUK5LN2XR8rcaHi8rkmnrtUgSmBrShq+4SIUX1bixE6Q7 rCH/HTynMEk02AlPmdoDEbuFajLF3eWzoQwcg5NcyjA4HY2VxDQyTY4oOUdTU42LxHfk qeoUJV1vRi4CAThTv6GFQZ+dvRF68CzRAHkLrDzluempGStYAx9hu8oxng1Uus+q/I36 v1IHRBDTvAh9ru/yqwZWtluDqmLZmwC9BCMKTrYoN/84FiSSQ4UqFdZlORVuXMRGgqqD aFYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnbF8A5iUCWJXSM583xUFxBsaQuvsjJ+T/ps/r3b237QJ4QIog+dFLyYhSBKVvViteEBmr5 X-Received: by 10.140.151.140 with SMTP id 134mr36244341qhx.49.1442340443967; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-28-112.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.28.112]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o4sm8414821qki.43.2015.09.15.11.07.23 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 11:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nFswB3ZL9z3DlWX for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:07:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:07:12 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: Forcing use of newer version of OpenSSL Message-ID: <20150915140712.62c34588@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <55F84EC1.3090908@freebsd.org> References: <20150915123306.55760c0d@seibercom.net> <55F84EC1.3090908@freebsd.org> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/uLJ20QYqqqj/5mqh_l3tkbH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:07:25 -0000 --Sig_/uLJ20QYqqqj/5mqh_l3tkbH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 18:00:49 +0100, Matthew Seaman stated: > On 09/15/15 17:33, Jerry wrote: > > I have both OpenSSL 1.0.1l-freebsd 15 Jan 2015 {located in /usr/bin} and > > OpenSSL 1.0.2d 9 Jul 2015 {located in /usr/local/bin} residing on my > > system. Now, I want to use and hopefully link programs against the > > "port", ie, newer version. If I adjust the path to use "/usr/local/bin" > > first, some programs fail to build. I discovered this a few months ago > > and received that bit of knowledge on this forum. I therefore changed t= he > > path so "/usr/bin" goes before "/usr/local/bin". That has the effect of > > causing the older version of OpenSSL being used. > >=20 > > Other than permanently changing the path, and then changing it back whe= n a > > build fails, how can I permanently fix this problem. IMHO, the newer > > version should permanently overwrite the older version. I don't need or > > want to versions. Since the older version comes with the base system, I > > am hesitant to try and remove it. In a perfect world, the base system > > would be updated, but I guess that is not going to happen anytime soon. >=20 > For anything you want to compile from ports, just add: >=20 > WITH_OPENSSL_PORT=3D yes >=20 > to /etc/make.conf (or /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/make.conf if you're > using poudriere) >=20 > Additionally you have to be careful of some ports that have GSSAPI > options -- don't enable GSSAPI support from the base system, or you'll > end up with a binary linked against two different versions of OpenSSL > libraries. Apart from that, the ports openssl is pretty much a drop-in > replacement. >=20 > For stuff you're compiling yourself, outside of ports, you need to force > your compilation to use the appropriate -I (for include files) and -L > (for libraries) search paths when compiling C code. How to do this is > specific to the compilation system used by whatever code your trying to > compile. >=20 > It's not feasible to remove openssl from base -- too much stuff in base > needs it -- nor is it feasible to overwrite the base openssl with the > ports version -- the ABIs have changed between the two versions. >=20 > I believe the ultimate plan is to make the base version of openssl a > private library and require all ported software to use the ports version > of openssl, but that is for future implementation. I have the notation in the /etc/make.conf file. My question is how do I for= ce the use of the newer version of OpenSSL, other than by changing the $PATH setting? Changing the $PATH setting causes some programs to fail to build. I don't remember exactly what programs were involved though. Thanks for you help. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/uLJ20QYqqqj/5mqh_l3tkbH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJV+F5SAAoJEElTsHIJnX8e8Q4H/i3n5v7lmO5BvwmHXIOp8W9a oaIft9x6wBk1aiDrj59YK/4ihz4Jb49kMOukDd2grKblbSk7uX6w6VIGYiNYp/Hg Km7FHMQZX/afg3jWWBJgBPtb+tdcML6yGEe0x6Telbfm3jC8za+F6h0QAua0TxFG X/v58UWQh7HpTL5RuiQuU95GnOmiUZjE6AbRxcNOrl/Vs/6y38tpQ2hwEi7KPF1P sk9BWW5ARw+tabWrQdNIWAVXxpe1kR6L5zQK+vY/ohxs6q5cBOXefIaZOuW1uZEC WzD4ep0pgnI6ZXI0IWQx6sMwMNtAFBnQEzBRvzT+4DP9ocrO4FDKyHPQ0VaZHLE= =UzV1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/uLJ20QYqqqj/5mqh_l3tkbH-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 19:08:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA065A05E19 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB4B1D6A for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 8EF0CA05E18; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8E9A05E17 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: from mail.michaelwlucas.com (mail.michaelwlucas.com [104.236.197.233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33EDF1D69 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: from mail.michaelwlucas.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.michaelwlucas.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id t8FJ7Qjk008135 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@mail.michaelwlucas.com) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by mail.michaelwlucas.com (8.14.9/8.14.7/Submit) id t8FJ7Q4N008134 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:07:26 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: nfsv4 file ownership Message-ID: <20150915190726.GA8073@mail.michaelwlucas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mail.michaelwlucas.com X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (mail.michaelwlucas.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:07:27 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:49 -0000 Hi, I think I fundamentally misunderstand something on how nfsv4 maps usernames. Everything works fine... until I start nfsuserd. I have a NFSv4 server on my test network. It's enabled with these rc.conf flags. nfs_server_enable=YES nfs_server_flags="-uth 203.0.113.50 -n6" rpcbind_enable=YES mountd_enable=YES mountd_flags="-r -l" rpc_lockd_enable=YES rpc_statd_enable=YES nfsv4_server_enable=YES nfsuserd_enable=YES nfsuserd_flags="-verbose" server# uname -a FreeBSD storm 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r287374: Tue Sep 1 15:31:17 EDT 2015 root@storm:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 client# uname -a FreeBSD freebsd 10.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401: Tue Nov 11 21:02:49 UTC 2014 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 The exports file contains: V4: /home Usernames and UIDs are matched for the test user. server# getent passwd mwlucas mwlucas:*:10001:10001:mwlucas:/home/mwlucas:/bin/tcsh client# getent passwd mwlucas mwlucas:*:10001:10001:mwlucas:/home/mwlucas:/bin/tcsh I mount a directory with: # mount -o nfsv4 storm:/mwlucas /mnt When nfsuserd is running, all files in /mnt/ are owned by root:wheel. Running in verbose mode, I get log messages like: Sep 15 14:41:13 storm nfsuserd:[1730]: Added uid=0 name=root Sep 15 14:41:13 storm nfsuserd:[1729]: Added gid=0 name=wheel Sep 15 14:41:13 storm nfsuserd:[1730]: Added uid=10001 name=mwlucas Sep 15 14:41:13 storm nfsuserd:[1730]: Added gid=10001 name=mwlucas If I stop nfsuserd, unmount the directory, and remount, all files have their correct ownership. Isn't nfsuserd supposed to give the correct usernames? What am I missing here? Any help appreciated! ==ml -- Michael W. Lucas - mwlucas@michaelwlucas.com, Twitter @mwlauthor http://www.MichaelWLucas.com/, http://blather.MichaelWLucas.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 19:08:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F81A05E2F for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86AFD1D8F for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 86065A05E2E; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85ACEA05E2D for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D1071D8D for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 334FF2C035C for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:08:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Glenn English Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: 10.2 graphics problem Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:08:52 -0600 Message-Id: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 To: freebsdQuestions Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:08:55 -0000 I'm trying to move from Debian Linux to FreeBSD. xorg runs and displays = the crossed grey and black, like it's supposed to. I've even seen an = XFCE desktop. But once this comes up (both of them), there's no way, = short of rebooting, to quit xorg or to get back to the console. I've = tried several times to install XFCE with 10.2. I'm thinking the problem may have to do with dbus. I booted this morning, and it works perfectly (as far as I can tell) to = the console. But when I type: service dbus start the error message says it couldn't get the UID and GID for 'messagebus'. = So I said pkg install dbus Everything updated it self properly, and it said that the latest version = of dbus was already installed. Where does user messagebus come from? Am I wrong about what the problem = is? Any thought and/or instructions would be greatly appreciated. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 19:28:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8D4A049A7 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C235B19CA for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8FJSaSD092475 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8FJSaQg092472; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:28:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Erik Lauritsen cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poor support for graphic cards In-Reply-To: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> Message-ID: References: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:28:36 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:28:40 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Erik Lauritsen wrote: > Hi > > Why does FreeBSD has such poor support for graphic cards? Because few people were available to do the work of porting X and X drivers. > I would never consider using a Nvidia card with a closed source driver > so I need something other than Nvidia. I have looked at the wiki for > supported cards and the list is very small. AMD cards up to the 6000 series work, 7000 has some support for some cards. I'm using a 5750 right now. Intel video up to the 3000-series processors (non-Haswell) is supported. I have not tested Nvidia cards because they do not support open drivers. > Is that because people are simple recommended using Nvidia cards with > their closed binary driver so it is not considered "that important", > or is it because of a lack of developers or something else? Lack of developers, definitely. > It makes it almost impossible to run FreeBSD on a desktop with video > watching capabilities. It seems usable here. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 19:31:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F159FA04B3C for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AFE1C9A for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D70A9A04B3B; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A18A04B3A for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 997411C99 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8FJVkoD093331 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8FJVkbR093328; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:31:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:31:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:31:46 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:31:48 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > I'm trying to move from Debian Linux to FreeBSD. xorg runs and > displays the crossed grey and black, like it's supposed to. I've even > seen an XFCE desktop. But once this comes up (both of them), there's > no way, short of rebooting, to quit xorg or to get back to the > console. Without details of what actually happens, it is difficult to determine the cause. But it is probably due to using the old console, sc(4). Use vt(4) by adding this to /boot/loader.conf: kern.vty=vt > I've tried several times to install XFCE with 10.2. > I'm thinking the problem may have to do with dbus. Probably not, although dbus is used by xfce. > I booted this morning, and it works perfectly (as far as I can tell) to the console. But when I type: > > service dbus start > > the error message says it couldn't get the UID and GID for 'messagebus'. So I said > > pkg install dbus > > Everything updated it self properly, and it said that the latest version of dbus was already installed. > > Where does user messagebus come from? Am I wrong about what the problem is? Any thought and/or instructions would be greatly appreciated. When the package is installed, the user was created. Start dbus in /etc/rc.conf and forget about it: dbus_enable="YES" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 19:47:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FECAA053B3 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1FB1212 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 8865CA053B2; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:47:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FC0A053B1 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:47:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F0C71211 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 78A5C2C041C; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:48 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:47:47 -0600 Cc: freebsdQuestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> To: Warren Block X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:47:49 -0000 On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Without details of what actually happens, it is difficult to determine = the cause. I thought I'd done that. What would you like to see/know? > But it is probably due to using the old console, sc(4). Use vt(4) by = adding this to /boot/loader.conf: According to ls and cat, the file is empty. >> I'm thinking the problem may have to do with dbus. >=20 > Probably not, although dbus is used by xfce. Thanks. Looking down the wrong path. But if XFCE needs it, don't I need = to have it working? > When the package is installed, the user was created. =20 I'll uninstall and try again. What package? dbus, xorg, or something = completely different? > Start dbus in /etc/rc.conf and forget about it: It doesn't start dbus -- same error. > dbus_enable=3D"YES" Already done. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 20:13:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CBFA05F71 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9479E1320 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 91DABA05F70; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91670A05F6F for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60095131F for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:13:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brandon.wandersee@gmail.com) Received: by igcrk20 with SMTP id rk20so21623056igc.1 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=references:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=JfwFZkX9sdjz7me31ZNuvyGCQ/CWmDKaTn74ZybrWis=; b=l44XoXI/BqMgDkVmy2F02LgAPIK+xM1O6GPadt6TJyn4OcPv+QC+f95IGeKTXHBPXo Hx4uWH6DSEEquOZfzIlZRR/9iaiqnRPcgGPc5+eZ0Hkf3//HXsG8MzbPL9P8cNjuTHHu vpTtuu1LQ1WSdiEjI6yJsa0dSZ4LM0o+c48Q2PkI/PmF+VT5d7Tv2gHO/pi4YhhUj6lP E+RG5mhD++SJQeS0oi6KO2tw0zSh1XlNRZeWV/fwZZyZJzMJlqWqVErYqBGUETLEjM3R iHFICnkaQ4s76+DgeZTW0XrxDcvYWgjWJKrqVO1sLgPUjSCLnFEuWyl4UX0YOK6TOiX1 Ky6g== X-Received: by 10.50.73.168 with SMTP id m8mr9238228igv.25.1442347984477; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WorkBox.Home.gmail.com (174-30-208-115.mpls.qwest.net. [174.30.208.115]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id pi6sm322929igb.21.2015.09.15.13.13.02 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:13:03 -0700 (PDT) References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Glenn English Cc: Warren Block , freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:13:01 -0500 Message-ID: <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:13:05 -0000 Glenn English writes: > I'll uninstall and try again. What package? dbus, xorg, or something completely different? That's not likely to accomplish anything. You say that you can't "quit back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different things. First, try adding the lines Warren mentioned to the /boot/loader.conf file. Some graphics adapters, like the newer Intel i* series, require the new vt(8) console in order to work properly. Second, if you're saying you can't actually quit from the desktop--as in, you can't click the "Logoff" button in the session menu--it's likely because you haven't started XFCE with ConsoleKit. You need to start XFCE from your ~/.xinitrc file (or session file, if you're using a display manager) with the line: exec ck-launch-session startxfce4 That will enable the log-out, shutdown and reboot functions. -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 20:39:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54349C2D07 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDA411D9 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9C4CF9C2D05; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BDE29C2D04 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631B911D8 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 134682C041C; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:39:07 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:39:05 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> To: "Brandon J. Wandersee" , freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:39:08 -0000 On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Brandon J. Wandersee = wrote: > That's not likely to accomplish anything. It might. I think I missed a step in the original install. I started = over a few minutes ago. > You say that you can't "quit > back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different > things. Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. > First, try adding the lines Warren mentioned to the > /boot/loader.conf file. Into the empty file. OK. > Some graphics adapters, like the newer Intel i* > series, require the new vt(8) console in order to work properly. This is a SuperMicro with a low end Radeon graphics card. If vt(7) = doesn't work I'll try vt(8). > Second, if you're saying you can't actually quit from the desktop--as > in, you can't click the "Logoff" button in the session menu--it's = likely > because you haven't started XFCE with ConsoleKit. See above. > You need to start XFCE > from your ~/.xinitrc file (or session file, if you're using a display > manager) with the line: >=20 > exec ck-launch-session startxfce4 IIRC, that's what I did to gwt the XFCE desktop. But I'll try it again. > That will enable the log-out, shutdown and reboot functions. That's what I need. It's a significantly better looking GUI than the = same thing in Linux. But in Linux it pays attention to the mouse :-) > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something > completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete > fools.' > - Douglas Adams Or Linux geeks... > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 20:56:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CFD9C3867 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89B51DAF for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C5F909C3866; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58C69C3865 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8811D1DAE for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 416AD3D657; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:56:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8FKube6007110; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:56:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:56:37 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Glenn English Cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Message-Id: <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:56:41 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 14:39:05 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Brandon J. Wandersee wrote: > > > That's not likely to accomplish anything. > > It might. I think I missed a step in the original install. > I started over a few minutes ago. > > You say that you can't "quit > > back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different > > things. > > Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. This sounds familiar - X, HAL & DBUS fun. :-) http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html I have configured X to work without HAL and DBUS and PolicyKit and ConsoleKit and who knows what stuff... but if you're going to use Xfce, you better keep those dependencies or many things inside Xfce won't work as expected. > > Some graphics adapters, like the newer Intel i* > > series, require the new vt(8) console in order to work properly. > > This is a SuperMicro with a low end Radeon graphics card. > If vt(7) doesn't work I'll try vt(8). In this case, even the "old-fashioned" sc driver should work. There is a corresponding setting for /boot/loader.conf. It is possible that console switching (from X to virtual terminal) nowadays requires some XML config file hack to work again as expected... ;-) > > That will enable the log-out, shutdown and reboot functions. > > That's what I need. Is this sufficient? No additional XMS fiddling this time? ;-) > It's a significantly better looking GUI than the same thing > in Linux. But in Linux it pays attention to the mouse :-) But Xfce is ported _from_ Linux, so it should be better at the source. Okay, some things get better when distilled, but... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 21:05:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357CA9C3EA2 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:05:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm23-vm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.141]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DD2701277 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:05:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1442351109; bh=ZhgeDtkvaCIigIQHSkuuY6x2j/Nw+HpgoSbqVlwcwtw=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=QCufOKkWzk/FrfiNYkvO2ZkCalT4RYvKreZxTu3usHY2Tlmv3f+jvsevwrL4tmLM6oP9gpFWjZVj7F9F+NmMh+9MD5FFa5Sgn2/iEzrZ7md2/qF/3qNNRexrpynaBboILLsH5aWV3X0Tm53eSsOdmtqQVbFURe4yOf6B7g3ZjVkwg6B1TqiziFnhdUrhRjiXBHwhFOzdboYOLHl9UiAEQSL4QADVtQaE9y32Brw+lA507VBsibUY42ImhRzXa823UfF0rDiW8oJn5NKrZy6gTlQDxEIpvm4FzivtyF/U9rhnYgvfy8QcG+uq+fzI3IuA/MXyGGOJUpkm0OW8TVlorw== Received: from [98.139.170.179] by nm23.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 21:05:09 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.205] by tm22.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 21:05:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2015 21:05:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 804126.59125.bm@smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: hb10h5IVM1mqiYKAsNcx8xqOLoOracsOZFkCh5JIDT9pnVG SMjPhFk9uvJO0urSz3oreR2JyU7JyzRTLIpZRtUqbbRwJ7htgqmljOmhKgV5 7U5csiGGuRBMy141bg6FDsPp1EeQVLWde9x5Ckm6j9t9jwHFZveUBZPaFTmQ TVDSC11qn_B1abT2CSgH1Hyq9u7nh_Mr3uBAhmbbwu.Rx5deWfqJHB1M5vyj f6aN7R5faQVNxftaNQfLu9NkAIcDWOwF_El1qmHvASm5HawTiRdRiXb7f2hp zrlyHl7sKtVhJLa9SV1zyXXwhO3FqG47FERKlLQh2qaDSDYJvBhDsUtq76h8 Rz6d4m83FOYYePKHzFBaoSSQiiKLvOuVbWaDNHPvkbtk5iNTxyd19roN.zZm 3H0GeE0mK_zoKSzjbEruVjh123ealY67zmloxegGN4nvjvAS0wDEcjw6Yv3k lI_rwDxvURFrRQbV3z03LY1c7X5rCltiwtfbiX1tAxXQ8Beh4HtUB5X7npRz iHjHfv8Q5lupK0oAYplQHBYuv2Iig6IBVNQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Subject: Re: Poor support for graphic cards To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> From: Paul Pathiakis Message-ID: <55F88802.4060602@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:05:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:05:12 -0000 I've been having no issue in my PCBSD/FreeBSD mixed environment here. The KMS stuff, once over, has been great in supporting all the ATI and Intel cards. I can offer insight on the NVIDIA support on both PC and Free.... Awesome!!! Fast!!!! I, presently, have running: GTX680, GTX 550i, GT 550, GTX 430, GTX 630, etc. The 680 is in my son's dual boot rig that he games on. Personally, NVidia has closed drivers so I understand Warren's take on it and can agree with it. However, the reason that they are making it tight again seems that NVidia is grabbing lots of market share (despite the console market). To that end, the counterfeiters are taking lower end cards and flashing the BIOS to identify as high-ends. I got screwed on Ebay by this. Ebay made it right, but the GT550 was, supposedly, a GTX 780.... So, Nvidia is trying to do more to protect the BIOS and drivers to keep things like this from happening. Agree? Disagree? I don't know. I don't like 'closed' either but I really didn't like getting screwed. P On 09/15/2015 15:28, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Erik Lauritsen wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Why does FreeBSD has such poor support for graphic cards? > > Because few people were available to do the work of porting X and X > drivers. > >> I would never consider using a Nvidia card with a closed source >> driver so I need something other than Nvidia. I have looked at the >> wiki for supported cards and the list is very small. > > AMD cards up to the 6000 series work, 7000 has some support for some > cards. I'm using a 5750 right now. > > Intel video up to the 3000-series processors (non-Haswell) is supported. > > I have not tested Nvidia cards because they do not support open drivers. > >> Is that because people are simple recommended using Nvidia cards with >> their closed binary driver so it is not considered "that important", >> or is it because of a lack of developers or something else? > > Lack of developers, definitely. > >> It makes it almost impossible to run FreeBSD on a desktop with video >> watching capabilities. > > It seems usable here. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Sep 15 23:21:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D199CD8D5 for ; 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envelope-from="karly@kipshouse.net"; x-sender="karly@kipshouse.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible Received-SPF: None (d2.ironport.kipshouse.net: no sender authenticity information available from domain of postmaster@mailboy.kipshouse.net) identity=helo; client-ip=2001:470:835a:1010::26; receiver=d2.ironport.kipshouse.net; envelope-from="karly@kipshouse.net"; x-sender="postmaster@mailboy.kipshouse.net"; x-conformance=sidf_compatible X-SBRS: None X-MID: 174731 X-RemoteIP: 2001:470:835a:1010::26 X-RemoteHost: 2001:470:835a:1010::26, mailboypriv.kipshouse.net X-IronPort-AV: E=McAfee;i="5700,7163,7925"; a="174731" Received: from mailboypriv.kipshouse.net (HELO mailboy.kipshouse.net) ([IPv6:2001:470:835a:1010::26]) by d2.ironport.kipshouse.net with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2015 17:45:51 -0700 Received: by mailboy.kipshouse.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 53F844367D; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:36:46 -0700 From: Karl Young To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: texinfo Message-ID: <20150916003646.GF11226@mailboy.kipshouse.net> References: <20150916012054.2dc4f9dd@jive.levalinux.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-12-10) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:45:52 -0000 Lev(leventelist@gmail.com)@2015.09.16 01:20:54 +0200: > Problem with texinfo package. > > I have texinfo package installed. > > pkg search texinfo > > says that it is > > texinfo-6.0.20150626 > > . > > However, if I say: > > makeinfo --version > > I get: > > makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.8 > > Any idea? Probably that's the base install: $ makeinfo --version makeinfo (GNU texinfo) 4.8 $ which makeinfo /usr/bin/makeinfo Try $ /usr/local/bin/makeinfo --version To get the ports version. > > Lev > > -- > 73 de HA5OGL > Op.: Levente > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 00:56:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6659CD5EC for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leventelist@gmail.com) Received: from papyrus.altaweb.hu (papyrus.altaweb.hu [195.228.155.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C007113C0 for ; 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Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:03:50 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:03:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:03:50 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:03:53 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:31 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >> Without details of what actually happens, it is difficult to determine the cause. > > I thought I'd done that. What would you like to see/know? Exactly what happens when leaving X. Sometimes it's a blank screen and the user can type 'startx'. That is due to KMS. >>> I'm thinking the problem may have to do with dbus. >> >> Probably not, although dbus is used by xfce. > > Thanks. Looking down the wrong path. But if XFCE needs it, don't I need to have it working? xfce uses it, but I can't recall if it is required. But it would not cause this type of problem anyway. >> When the package is installed, the user was created. > > I'll uninstall and try again. What package? dbus, xorg, or something completely different? Please stop uninstalling and reinstalling stuff. If that were broken, it would not work at all. >> Start dbus in /etc/rc.conf and forget about it: > > It doesn't start dbus -- same error. A dbus error? Where? >> dbus_enable="YES" > > Already done. Then it is not that. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 01:09:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E19F9CDE90 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325281C80 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2EF359CDE8F; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E9189CDE8E for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:09:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E2F8B1C7F for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:09:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8G19hnD077512 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8G19giM077509; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon cc: Glenn English , freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:43 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:09:48 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: >>> You say that you can't "quit >>> back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different >>> things. >> >> Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. > > This sounds familiar - X, HAL & DBUS fun. :-) > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html That article is somewhat obsolete and can be replaced with "Use vt(4)." Problems can also be caused by cargo-culting an xorg.conf file, rather than trying with an empty one. > I have configured X to work without HAL and DBUS and PolicyKit > and ConsoleKit and who knows what stuff... but if you're going > to use Xfce, you better keep those dependencies or many things > inside Xfce won't work as expected. Not necessary. I use dbus with xfce, but HAL is not needed and the rest need little or no configuration. >> This is a SuperMicro with a low end Radeon graphics card. >> If vt(7) doesn't work I'll try vt(8). Err... there is only vt(4). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 01:48:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36399CD718 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:48:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A653C106C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc1pj-0003Wb-U5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:48:28 +0200 Received: from 65.75.36.70 ([65.75.36.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:48:27 +0200 Received: from gyliamos by 65.75.36.70 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:48:27 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Will Parsons Subject: LyX/TeX problem: can't find classes Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:48:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: Reply-To: gyliamos@gmail.com X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.75.36.70 User-Agent: slrn/1.0.2 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:48:34 -0000 At some point fairly recently (I'm not sure the exact circumstances), my LyX installation can't produce PDF files anymore because (almost) all document classes are marked unavailable. Googling has been no help - the common recommendations of running (from LyX) "Tools => Reconfigure" and (from the command line) "fmtutil-sys --all" have not solved the problem. The document that I am currenlty working on uses the "article" class, and under /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base there is a file "article.cls" (among other *.cls files). I'm at a loss. Can anyone shed light on what is wrong? -- Will From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 02:01:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987B09CDFE9 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8345D1902 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7CA219CDFE8; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:01:44 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3C19CDFE7 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FC91900 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:01:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 23DAA2C035C; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:54:45 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:54:43 -0600 Cc: freebsdQuestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> To: Warren Block X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:01:44 -0000 On Sep 15, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Exactly what happens when leaving X. =20 I can't leave X. Rebooting with the power switch is the only option. > Sometimes it's a blank screen and the user can type 'startx'. That is = due to KMS. Nope. Once xorg starts, there's nothing that will do anything. And = startx is how I get there. X starts, but once it does, nothing (mouse, = keyboard) makes anything happen. > xfce uses it, but I can't recall if it is required. But it would not = cause this type of problem anyway. OK. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 02:46:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7439CDCEE for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E18E1016 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=3EnLb17HeG/Ic8Zx2m9P72uRV3FpKmHuEsSijX2D96Q=; b=v3fo8nN0L76MSU8hsb1x7aRY/o1o5GwM4tNdeUzf6eNXziTr3GJRpQ/kuwQvtox2mkGG+5PfXHL+4Tk8ICMAZw8W9kTIbRy0+oCrirqszM65n8ev1HJ32WyLek+5Gq64z6LdZqdWTncgd84fJJ5Ioz/MGYUh9+lBJzVYrAUZNa8=; Received: from [114.124.24.9] (port=13089 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc2jg-002X2t-OC; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:46:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:46:10 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Erik Lauritsen Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Poor support for graphic cards Message-ID: <20150916104610.1ff05487@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> References: <413321442326231@web2g.yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:46:23 -0000 Hi, On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 15:10:31 +0100 Erik Lauritsen wrote: > Why does FreeBSD has such poor support for graphic cards? > man power? > It makes it almost impossible to run FreeBSD on a desktop with video > watching capabilities. 'almost impossible'? VESA is not that fast but did not give me problems. The development focus is currently on full support for AMD and Intel CPUs with internal GPU. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 02:48:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A529CDE19 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75BF1199 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B3F189CDE18; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B385B9CDE17 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 777EE1198 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8G2mG3J002361 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8G2mGuC002358; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:48:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:48:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 20:48:16 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:48:17 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >> Exactly what happens when leaving X. > > I can't leave X. Rebooting with the power switch is the only option. > >> Sometimes it's a blank screen and the user can type 'startx'. That is due to KMS. > > Nope. Once xorg starts, there's nothing that will do anything. And startx is how I get there. X starts, but once it does, nothing (mouse, keyboard) makes anything happen. Okay, that is not a KMS problem, but an input problem. What is in xorg.conf? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 03:42:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376139C2ED0 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20ECE128D for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1FEA49C2ECF; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8A29C2ECD for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0594A128C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id CDA662C08F0; Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:42:31 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 21:42:29 -0600 Cc: freebsdQuestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <85F545BE-0E68-4F70-A5FE-046602BD1C2C@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> To: Warren Block X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 03:42:33 -0000 On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Okay, that is not a KMS problem, but an input problem. What is in = xorg.conf? I've got a doctor's appointment tomorrow. I'll post it tomorrow = afternoon. I appreciate you guts' help. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 04:35:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C579CD20F for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601431F93 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5F61D9CD20E; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EF519CD20D for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:35:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [150.101.137.143]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF7F71F92 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from FreeBSD@shaneware.biz) Received: from ppp118-210-169-30.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net (HELO leader.local) ([118.210.169.30]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 16 Sep 2015 14:00:10 +0930 Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: Warren Block , Glenn English References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> Cc: freebsdQuestions From: Shane Ambler Message-ID: <55F8F04E.2010803@ShaneWare.Biz> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:00:06 +0930 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 04:35:21 -0000 On 16/09/2015 12:18, Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > >> >> On Sep 15, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Warren Block wrote: >> >>> Exactly what happens when leaving X. >> >> I can't leave X. Rebooting with the power switch is the only option. Try Ctrl-Alt-F1 >>> Sometimes it's a blank screen and the user can type 'startx'. That >>> is due to KMS. I login and run startxfce4 >> Nope. Once xorg starts, there's nothing that will do anything. And >> startx is how I get there. X starts, but once it does, nothing (mouse, >> keyboard) makes anything happen. > > Okay, that is not a KMS problem, but an input problem. What is in > xorg.conf? +1 -- FreeBSD - the place to B...Software Developing Shane Ambler From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 05:44:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC899CDB60 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDF21DEE for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.12] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8G5iIpC084183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2015 22:44:18 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <514A6AC5-9F42-48E2-A37C-5196E6D4DF47@lafn.org> References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:44:22 -0000 > On 15 September 2015, at 07:03, Warren Block = wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >> After spending a lot of time reading through the various responses, I = decided to use a larger SSD and use dump/restore to move the data. = However, I encountered an interesting problem which I do not have a = solution for at this time. The system will only boot a memstick image. = That works fine. I formatted the new SSD and got it all setup. = However, none of the current systems have enough space to do a dump on. = I needed to dump from the existing machine over to the new one with the = SSD. The only thing running on the SSD machine is the live file system. = Dump uses rsh/rcmd which need some files set in /root. Unfortunately = that is mounted as read only as its a memstick image. I can=92t see how = to easily get dump to dump to a remote system when you can=92t get = rsh/rcmd to login. >=20 > The live filesystem from an installer will work, although mfsBSD is = nicer. >=20 > Pipe the output from dump into an ssh session on the remote machine = that runs restore. Leaving out most of the options for clarity: >=20 > dump -f - | ssh user@remote 'cd /target && restore -rf -' >=20 > If a dump file is desired, it can be created on the SSD filesystem: > = http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_code_dump_code_via_s= sh >=20 > That file can be restored directly on that system. Since the SSD has = essentially zero access time, it does not hurt like restoring a dumpfile = on the same drive. Unfortunately, these approaches don=92t work either. The installer=92s = live filesystem only has one user, root with a null password. It can=92t = start sshd because there are no keys on the live filesystem and /etc is = not writable. Likewise I can=92t run nfs on the machine because the = exports file cannot be created. I am downloading mfsBSD to see if that = can be made to work. It does not appear to support ssh, but claims to = include nfs. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 07:18:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488EB9CE11E for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7E618B8 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2AF5A9CE11D; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:18:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8BC9CE11C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:18:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: from mail-la0-x22e.google.com (mail-la0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAA2018B6 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:18:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riaank@gmail.com) Received: by lamp12 with SMTP id p12so121515743lam.0 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:18:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Pp1TZ65EElWUtU25JHm2uJEU6PsYDmmpCL0nTs8FHYU=; b=F3FJ01dA8mhF5Klrxy6EuudzMGeFbxPD+A/03pD6PT2Kdx05v6divfKYzvPofUEhP2 EKqS86ZixC5Q0pnIkrPPsgGcRpXPj22YErLt1C8woaCF5vkfDbGVJ8WfoY38voN8TbwS UIMr4l8rZAFw6JAIOCsHt198Wb5divtOzp0lknxbjShUfrWc8QGWLzppRW3Rd90ABXQj 8PHsUbnC3ZAKF9PuY8aDDATYzRUDEaDo2lAA8SmQATCSbV8MyBb/tSKmQtCO4uNfPCUK sEkEpv7vwgRGF1xfUTQeyv720rssQL2jIgzzUsrHysJLQocntMWo9lSsP7OZ94pOrIvb K/ug== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.158.38 with SMTP id wr6mr27317134lbb.25.1442387918737; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.19.67 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 00:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:18:38 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Slim login manager: Bad rendering of user and password text From: Riaan Kruger To: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:18:41 -0000 My slim login manager does not display text entered into the passwords and username fields correctly. The following rendering issues happen. The text disappears whilst entering it and reappears again when entering a new character. But mostly it seems the end of the string is incorrectly rendered where the last character is not completely displayed. I am on FreeBSD 10.1 p12 with the following package versions: slim-1.3.6_9 xorg-7.7_2 xorg-server-1.14.7_5,1 libXft-2.3.2_1 ( I put this in because it looks like slim uses a function call in this lib to draw the text) I have tried to specify different fonts in the theme but it makes no difference. Side note: It seems that slim is no longer maintained :(. Can you suggest any way for me to get closer to the cause of this problem. Any help will be appreciated. Riaan From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 07:51:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A01C9C2642 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9CC1D11 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3D0649C2640; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9B89C263F for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F002D1D0E for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D81AB3D523; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:51:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8G7pKAD009971; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:51:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:51:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Cc: Glenn English , freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Message-Id: <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:51:25 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:42 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: > > >>> You say that you can't "quit > >>> back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different > >>> things. > >> > >> Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. > > > > This sounds familiar - X, HAL & DBUS fun. :-) > > > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html > > That article is somewhat obsolete and can be replaced with "Use vt(4)." So an addition of the "vt vs. sc" topic would be nice, if (and _really_ if) those HAL side effects are no longer significant. I think HAL has been deprecated in Linux for some time now, and more and more packages are dropping it as a dependency or component, and that's a _good_ thing, If I remember correctly, that's DBus's fate as well - being deprecated and replaced by something Linux-centric (probably a kernel mechanism). Maybe we can take the *Kit stuff with that trash in the near future, too? :-) > Problems can also be caused by cargo-culting an xorg.conf file, rather > than trying with an empty one. Typically not found in a fresh install. :-) > > I have configured X to work without HAL and DBUS and PolicyKit > > and ConsoleKit and who knows what stuff... but if you're going > > to use Xfce, you better keep those dependencies or many things > > inside Xfce won't work as expected. > > Not necessary. I use dbus with xfce, but HAL is not needed and the rest > need little or no configuration. Nice to hear that. Was about time. :-) I'd still be interested if system power control and automount capabilities still require fiddling with the *Kit's XML files scattered across the /usr/local subtree. :-) > >> This is a SuperMicro with a low end Radeon graphics card. > >> If vt(7) doesn't work I'll try vt(8). > > Err... there is only vt(4). I think this is just a little confusion of "sc or vt", where sc is the alternative to vt, and only if you really _really_ need it (german Umlaut support in text mode could be imagined as an example). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 08:00:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558C19C2EFC for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBCE81139 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD74D7882; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:00:14 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type:mime-version :message-id:date:date:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from :received:received:received; s=selector1; t=1442390413; x= 1444204814; bh=55Kq57u3l9o2dYyjZP2doo6YZSVm9FZvO6p8D7+iiGw=; b=N PLFj5op8/JVO9NFZAZ7cTHeUeu/b4nTK5ShgIsOyutCdVewSxtfAVg81srXwEh9M iBidA+o8+3fH/UUWyInfRzrcPliAc6VaiQi0UBUoYbt4l4498di9xNeTIesY09Zk tVf10yMp3U7+yapq0SkG3hQ/Bv7CbFvq1jwzJpBmCA= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id H0RzQv5zduFj; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:00:13 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ED86D7881; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:00:13 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id t8G80ACj067998; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:00:10 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier Nicole To: Trond =?utf-8?Q?Endrest=C3=B8l?= Cc: kpneal@pobox.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem starting named in FreeBSD 10.2 In-Reply-To: (message from Trond =?utf-8?Q?Endrest=C3=B8l?= on Tue, 15 Sep 2015 16:07:58 +0200 (CEST)) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:00:09 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:00:19 -0000 Trond Endrest=C3=B8l writes: > [1:text/plain Hide] > > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 09:40-0400, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 04:44:43PM +0700, Olivier Nicole wrote: >> > Hi, >> >=20 >> > I am having problems starting named in FreeBSD 10.2. I have been using >> > the exact same rc.d/named script for years, it is still working in Fre= eBSD 10.1 >> >=20 >> > The rc.d/named script contains a REQUIRE line that is not honnorred: >> >=20 >> > # REQUIRE: NETWORKING ldconfig syslogd >>=20 >> Is it possible there is a loop in the dependencies somewhere? I can imag= ine >> breaking a loop by ignoring a REQUIRE line somewhere. > > Try running (sh syntax): > > rcorder /etc/rc.d/* /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* 2>&1 | less > > On one of my DNS servers, I see these lines: > > /etc/rc.d/ipfw > /etc/rc.d/NETWORKING <-- > /etc/rc.d/netwait > /etc/rc.d/mountcritremote > /etc/rc.d/accounting > /etc/rc.d/ldconfig <-- > /etc/rc.d/newsyslog > /etc/rc.d/syslogd <-- > /etc/rc.d/ntpdate > /etc/rc.d/rpcbind > /etc/rc.d/nfsclient > /etc/rc.d/devfs > /etc/rc.d/ipmon > /etc/rc.d/mdconfig2 > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/named <-- > /etc/rc.d/kdc That did the trick. I had an old rc.d/named left there and having both of them created a loop. I removed the old one and it worked. I did not know of rcorder, thank you for th etrick. > If libxml2.so.2 is missing from /usr/local/lib, then check to see if=20 > files named libxml2.so.2.* exists in /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/. The lib did exist, it was just the loop that prevented ldconfig to be called before named. Thank you, Olivier > In a pinch you might be able to move on by running something like=20 > this: > > ln -s libxml2.so.2.9.2 /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg/libxml2.so.2 > > Substitute libxml2.so.2.9.2 with the newest file as found in=20 > your /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg directory. In my case, I can choose=20 > between libxml2.so.2.9.1 and libxml2.so.2.9.2. > > Next, I would probably reinstall/forcefully upgrade textproc/libxml2. --=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 08:18:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A7E9CDB12 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DBEAB1B86 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:18:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kraduk@gmail.com) Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so62566350wic.0 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:18:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=U5t5Rt+I2NMf5ryXB1QAfBLfhxDKsGcS3kKfktZ/eyg=; b=lm0aF21LCNEDjnrvs4CfsvV0OL823EtEOEMJ8irPlH/5byxHgttBhllpIDFma5SatU Y6qybpMcLciP+Dvv/ncHCeIEb+nt0wG8ELwihTHpD7qj0hvDahPDySOLBhGv+B+lq251 nNHyW44G9VnkXXcO5RQgVsstysuViEZ+heq8sHXtvKP5vUhF3zyKoFCgeK1E786P41IY Ih/ZMwd60WeEqQRRnFmalX04vjM/C7zkA63WQdRH8yYeplp3ASkpwNNkVAYLLvRAF56s oDDfTqPWxl+FPZMAzFJSCjuMXKRR9hsbZ13iW6U20JLJEd36B0zMevrk14Phvo54QlSc 3dTw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.19.169 with SMTP id g9mr47639954wje.64.1442391523337; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.125.18 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 01:18:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:18:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD From: krad To: Paul Kraus Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:18:45 -0000 a bit late to this i know but when I have under over provisioned, I did it by getting the drives to report a lower amount of storage than they have rather than using the non partitioned way of doing it. This guarantees the drives firmware knows it free space much more effectively than the partition method which doesnt mean a lot to the drive. I used something like the below just after doing a secure erase on the drive to reduce the reported size from say 120GB to 100GB (this was done from the gparted livecd, as i couldnt find out howto do it within BSD back then) hdparm -Np281323627 --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing /dev/sdb On 10 September 2015 at 18:42, Paul Kraus wrote: > On Sep 10, 2015, at 11:00, Brandon J. Wandersee < > brandon.wandersee@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Leaving blocks unpartitioned doesn't mean those blocks won't be written > > to; it just ensures that a certain amount of space (and so a certain > > number of blocks/cells) must always be free, forcing writes to be sprea= d > > across different physical portions of the disk in a relatively even > > manner. It's my understanding that this over-provisioning isn't > > exactly necessary in most SSDs nowadays. It just serves as a stronger > > guarantee than entrusting everything to a drive's firmware. > > Each SSD model has some amount of over provisioning built in. The more > expensive, Enterprise grade SSDs have more (in many cases much more) than > the cheaper consumer units. So based on the performance you need and the > SSD you have, it is still prudent to manually over provision with > unpartitioned space. > > Note that some vendors will tell you about their over provisioning and > others don=E2=80=99t. > > -- > Paul Kraus > paul@kraus-haus.org > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 09:10:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BDA9CDC77 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BA6D11CF for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Received: from ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id t8G9ALAt043307 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:10:44 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=freebsd.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t8G9ALAt043307 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t8G9ALAt043307; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be ox-dell39.ox.adestra.com Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Matthew Seaman X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55F931FC.40000@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:10:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UJ1VltmMXhuf9UTsoVIdWqaDstH4dR1dR" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:10:52 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --UJ1VltmMXhuf9UTsoVIdWqaDstH4dR1dR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/16/15 08:51, Polytropon wrote: > If I remember correctly, that's DBus's fate as well - being > deprecated and replaced by something Linux-centric (probably > a kernel mechanism). Maybe we can take the *Kit stuff with > that trash in the near future, too? :-) IIRC, there was some talk of FreeBSD growing some equivalent to Mach messaging, which is what sits in that bit of the IPC space for MacOS X. Although I do wonder why the Linuxers seem to feel the need to throw away their existing solutions and start again from scratch quite so often. DBus always struck me as quite a good piece of software. 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[174.109.28.112]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z10sm9612567qhd.15.2015.09.16.02.45.37 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 02:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3nGGkm22njz3DlWX for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:45:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:45:30 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Message-ID: <20150916054530.310f1eeb@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <55F931FC.40000@freebsd.org> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> <55F931FC.40000@freebsd.org> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.12.0 (GTK+ 2.24.28; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/92DvKoFN.Gsod2EVF_atvKZ"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 09:45:39 -0000 --Sig_/92DvKoFN.Gsod2EVF_atvKZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:10:20 +0100, Matthew Seaman stated: > Although I do wonder why the Linuxers seem to feel the need to throw > away their existing solutions and start again from scratch quite so > often. DBus always struck me as quite a good piece of software. No exactly my field, but I have spoken to power programmers before who have said that it is often far easier to start from scratch than it is to try and throw a band-aid over old and/or obsoleted programs. I was surprised to find that many older programs that have undergone extensive rewrites have hundreds and sometimes thousands of lines of code that sit there doing nothing. In effect, commented out. There is an ongoing development of "kdbus" that aims to reimplement D_Bus as a kernel-mediated peer-to-peer inter-process communication mechanism, which would offer performance improvements and system integration. Since FreeBSD tends to be a "follower" rather than a "leader" in software development, if linux does eventually adopt this, then sooner-or-later, probably later, FreeBSD will do so also. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/92DvKoFN.Gsod2EVF_atvKZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJV+To6AAoJEElTsHIJnX8elxcIAI/1NVCFAhnx08YkFzeHFblQ tp+//HLkG2eWCQbvk8mkIQnnr7ph7IbB9CLKPCVO0bNQzuyFkzJCODEBjBagiZcb ecrkLHDZv+ZtTxxedJs8zhYzDL1Jfp7mH+ZkMyD6Upj5HKiV58InvBHEfMeYjwjb Mjd+0khn4TC+ZTc9cxLeXpRt8UWBm5ZSa3uvW3td+6DNwPsZd51JEaOjiXS0Dpw7 HrpCp8I22H+QpSH5OAbrNx4lb2AVi/LWDFDEUDkWMCrP5NEpxCrmZNHndofG8Z+g RNdqILFhL/Psdrvo7WHtHx5Thubr7BFy2pFCOfYMP3yof6ijTmxW3K7k/WFJc/I= =BOpB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/92DvKoFN.Gsod2EVF_atvKZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 10:17:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807C69CE6D2 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:17:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ac@acampbell.uk) Received: from shcp05.hosting.zen.net.uk (shcp05.hosting.zen.net.uk [82.71.205.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41CBE1198 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:17:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ac@acampbell.uk) Received: from [88.97.55.211] (port=45850 helo=localhost) by shcp05.hosting.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1Zc90m-000WAD-Uy for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:28:26 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:28:21 +0100 From: Anthony Campbell To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LyX/TeX problem: can't find classes Message-ID: <20150916092820.GA7983@ithaca.acampbell.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Anthony Campbell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - shcp05.hosting.zen.net.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - acampbell.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: shcp05.hosting.zen.net.uk: authenticated_id: ac@acampbell.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:17:36 -0000 On 16 Sep 2015, Will Parsons wrote: > At some point fairly recently (I'm not sure the exact circumstances), > my LyX installation can't produce PDF files anymore because (almost) > all document classes are marked unavailable. Googling has been no > help - the common recommendations of running (from LyX) "Tools => > Reconfigure" and (from the command line) "fmtutil-sys --all" have not > solved the problem. > > The document that I am currenlty working on uses the "article" class, > and under /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base there is a file > "article.cls" (among other *.cls files). I'm at a loss. Can anyone > shed light on what is wrong? > Do you have the tex-formats package installed (as well as texlive-texmf)? I had a similar problem to yours when getting LyX to edit my Beamer files, even though beamer.cls seemed to be present. You need tex-formats to be able to use pdflatex. -- Anthony Campbell http://www.acampbell.uk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 11:02:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBF49CD68C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:02:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2A67101C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9402227863 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:02:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8GB2GU6010691 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:02:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:02:16 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Message-Id: <20150916130216.ec82e5f3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150916054530.310f1eeb@seibercom.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> <55F931FC.40000@freebsd.org> <20150916054530.310f1eeb@seibercom.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:02:25 -0000 On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 05:45:30 -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:10:20 +0100, Matthew Seaman stated: > > > Although I do wonder why the Linuxers seem to feel the need to throw > > away their existing solutions and start again from scratch quite so > > often. DBus always struck me as quite a good piece of software. > > No exactly my field, but I have spoken to power programmers before who have > said that it is often far easier to start from scratch than it is to try and > throw a band-aid over old and/or obsoleted programs. I was surprised to > find that many older programs that have undergone extensive rewrites have > hundreds and sometimes thousands of lines of code that sit there doing > nothing. In effect, commented out. This sounds a lot like what I know from "business solutions" at "corporate scale"... ;-) > There is an ongoing development of "kdbus" that aims to reimplement D_Bus as > a kernel-mediated peer-to-peer inter-process communication mechanism, which > would offer performance improvements and system integration. This would be a great advantage on Linux, but I fear that all programs relying on this mechanism will have problems being compiled on FreeBSD, because our kernel won't have it that quickly. Until that point, ported applications (especially in the desktop environment domain, I assume) will lack some functionality. When you review history and the claims like "it is documented and can be embedded and extended easily" or "just write a module for it, it's easy", you'll see that it didn't help HAL to survive. DBus will probably be seen in a similar light, as its successor also will, sooner or later, and so on. Of course this is a natural course of development: If you want to support something new, carrying around old stuff might be a stupid thing to do; but if you try to keep "the same" stuff running, iterating and re-implementing it over and over probably is just burning resources. Please note that I'm not a Linux kernel developer, so I could have missed a point - just as you stated: that there are situations where is better to start from scratch than to duct-tape around lagacy code... > Since FreeBSD tends to be a "follower" rather than a "leader" in software > development, if linux does eventually adopt this, then sooner-or-later, > probably later, FreeBSD will do so also. And when the point is reached where it works flawlessly, a new solution will pop up, and kdbus will be obsoleted. At least this observation could be made for many other things during the last decades: "It works - discard it." FreeBSD is a leader when it comes to its own desktop environment which still is in an early stage of development. Maybe native applications will show up later on, such as a web browser, an office suite, e-mail client, multimedia center or image editing. Natively developed applications, intended for FreeBSD (instead of Linux-centrically developed applications ported over) could be an advantage. But I'm not brave enough to try to make any "economical" assumptions about such a decision course. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 13:38:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 991429CE3F8 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 523061D8E for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8GDcaSH065488 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8GDcaW1065484; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:38:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:38:36 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Doug Hardie cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD In-Reply-To: <514A6AC5-9F42-48E2-A37C-5196E6D4DF47@lafn.org> Message-ID: References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> <514A6AC5-9F42-48E2-A37C-5196E6D4DF47@lafn.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 07:38:36 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:38:44 -0000 On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: > >> On 15 September 2015, at 07:03, Warren Block wrote: >> >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >> >>> After spending a lot of time reading through the various responses, I decided to use a larger SSD and use dump/restore to move the data. However, I encountered an interesting problem which I do not have a solution for at this time. The system will only boot a memstick image. That works fine. I formatted the new SSD and got it all setup. However, none of the current systems have enough space to do a dump on. I needed to dump from the existing machine over to the new one with the SSD. The only thing running on the SSD machine is the live file system. Dump uses rsh/rcmd which need some files set in /root. Unfortunately that is mounted as read only as its a memstick image. I can’t see how to easily get dump to dump to a remote system when you can’t get rsh/rcmd to login. >> >> The live filesystem from an installer will work, although mfsBSD is nicer. >> >> Pipe the output from dump into an ssh session on the remote machine that runs restore. Leaving out most of the options for clarity: >> >> dump -f - | ssh user@remote 'cd /target && restore -rf -' >> >> If a dump file is desired, it can be created on the SSD filesystem: >> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_code_dump_code_via_ssh >> >> That file can be restored directly on that system. Since the SSD has essentially zero access time, it does not hurt like restoring a dumpfile on the same drive. > > Unfortunately, these approaches don’t work either. The installer’s > live filesystem only has one user, root with a null password. It > can’t start sshd because there are no keys on the live filesystem and > /etc is not writable. Likewise I can’t run nfs on the machine because > the exports file cannot be created. I am downloading mfsBSD to see if > that can be made to work. It does not appear to support ssh, but > claims to include nfs. mfsBSD *does* have sshd, and is writable. I thought that could be done with the installer also, sorry. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 14:07:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6629C2151 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 824881EC0 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:07:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZcDMV-000185-KT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:07:04 +0200 Received: from 65.75.36.70 ([65.75.36.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:07:03 +0200 Received: from gyliamos by 65.75.36.70 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:07:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Will Parsons Subject: Re: LyX/TeX problem: can't find classes Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20150916092820.GA7983@ithaca.acampbell.uk> Reply-To: gyliamos@gmail.com X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.75.36.70 User-Agent: slrn/1.0.2 (FreeBSD) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:07:17 -0000 On Wednesday, 16 Sep 2015 5:28 AM -0400, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 16 Sep 2015, Will Parsons wrote: >> At some point fairly recently (I'm not sure the exact circumstances), >> my LyX installation can't produce PDF files anymore because (almost) >> all document classes are marked unavailable. Googling has been no >> help - the common recommendations of running (from LyX) "Tools => >> Reconfigure" and (from the command line) "fmtutil-sys --all" have not >> solved the problem. >> >> The document that I am currenlty working on uses the "article" class, >> and under /usr/local/share/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base there is a file >> "article.cls" (among other *.cls files). I'm at a loss. Can anyone >> shed light on what is wrong? >> > > Do you have the tex-formats package installed (as well as > texlive-texmf)? I had a similar problem to yours when getting LyX to > edit my Beamer files, even though beamer.cls seemed to be present. You > need tex-formats to be able to use pdflatex. Yes, it's installed, so that's not the problem. -- Will From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 14:38:46 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678BB9CD145 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:38:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rizzo@i805.com.br) Received: from server.i805.com.br (mailhost.i805.com.br [72.52.97.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5943C1F11 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rizzo@i805.com.br) Received: from i805.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.i805.com.br (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8GEZVfq015445 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:35:31 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from rizzo@i805.com.br) X-Authentication-Warning: server.i805.com.br: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] claimed to be i805.com.br From: "Nilton Jose Rizzo" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: About drivers and how create one Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:35:31 -0300 Message-Id: <20150916142250.M64674@i805.com.br> X-Mailer: OpenWebMail 3.00_beta4 20121104 671 X-OriginatingIP: 200.11.5.26 (rizzo) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 14:38:46 -0000 Hi all, I bought a wireless mini usbcard, to test in FreeBSD, but it not reconized. In CD have a Linux source driver. My Question is : How hard is to convert a source code Linux to FreeBSD and where I can found information about it? The CHIP under device is Ralink rt28XX. I'm using a FreeBSD -current uname -a FreeBSD leblon 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #10 r285290: Wed Jul 8 21:50:30 BRT 2015 rizzo@leblon:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LEBLON amd64 P.S. I Have a good knowledgement in C/C++ and assembler, but I never wrote a kernel module. TIA --- /************************************************* **Nilton José Rizzo UFRRJ **http://www.rizzo.eng.br http://www.ufrrj.br **http://lattes.cnpq.br/0079460703536198 **************************************************/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 15:42:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1189CEF60 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io0-x232.google.com (mail-io0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1AE5C134F for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by ioiz6 with SMTP id z6so233527532ioi.2 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=fdDQmwAgURokaolz7ibSqBUEJLXl59qm9xOsjiR4Lag=; b=a1ICRkJ4MzqBvn8CfHvIs1d2gi5XhmsscNJ26+HDz+reLduP+oYDpnskT3DEsO4ou3 yk77IRpTwQ8mAv0YzP41SixHT60MRwCEb19vw4JfXtZQoxrWdW6PxHLgkVkgvDrW2ywm JVeFTKwjwn6XuHZL0UBzqvmV1Z6OVPPVQLHrRp8s/IXq6MPhYml2EeA9CBsTWmVY6XPW MI/uS2vO7MQlDK1bV+ExY9TqeIf42tBZozLb7OJ2r6znTTJx7smN/rElCS4C/uHv1QlC Dc24/DJNm/ow/0NJCVKXkm5GSsH7Vfv4Vs0orTx2r+6dWb44yGwXCDxL3G5ml+fZhxIk gvJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.11.166 with SMTP id 38mr45009750iol.186.1442418135389; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.15.33 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:42:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150916142250.M64674@i805.com.br> References: <20150916142250.M64674@i805.com.br> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 08:42:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: About drivers and how create one From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Nilton Jose Rizzo Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:42:16 -0000 On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Nilton Jose Rizzo wrote: > > Hi all, > > I bought a wireless mini usbcard, to test in > FreeBSD, but it not reconized. In CD have a Linux > source driver. > My Question is : How hard is to convert a source > code Linux to FreeBSD and where I can found information > about it? > > The CHIP under device is Ralink rt28XX. > > I'm using a FreeBSD -current > > uname -a > FreeBSD leblon 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #10 r285290: Wed Jul 8 > 21:50:30 BRT 2015 rizzo@leblon:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LEBLON amd64 > > P.S. I Have a good knowledgement in C/C++ and assembler, but I never > wrote a kernel module. > > TIA > > --- > /************************************************* > **Nilton Jos=C3=A9 Rizzo UFRRJ > **http://www.rizzo.eng.br http://www.ufrrj.br > **http://lattes.cnpq.br/0079460703536198 > **************************************************/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Search in Amazon : freebsd device drivers http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=3Dnb_sb_ss_i_4_8?url=3Dsearch-alias%3Dstripbook= s&field-keywords=3Dfreebsd+device+drivers&sprefix=3Dfreebsd+%2Cstripbooks%2= C402 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 16:13:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BBA9CDFD2 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0FB41395 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id DD44B9CDFD0; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCE69CDFCF for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85C081394 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8GGDj6r004778 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8GGDjf4004769; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon cc: Glenn English , freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:13:45 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:13:53 -0000 On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 19:09:42 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Polytropon wrote: >> >>>>> You say that you can't "quit >>>>> back to the console," which in my mind could mean two different >>>>> things. >>>> >>>> Ah! Nothing works, mouse, keyboard, nothing except the power button. >>> >>> This sounds familiar - X, HAL & DBUS fun. :-) >>> >>> http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/aei.html >> >> That article is somewhat obsolete and can be replaced with "Use vt(4)." > > So an addition of the "vt vs. sc" topic would be nice, if > (and _really_ if) those HAL side effects are no longer > significant. I think HAL has been deprecated in Linux for > some time now, and more and more packages are dropping > it as a dependency or component, and that's a _good_ thing, The Handbook X chapter needs a rewrite. I've talked about it, but not had time to actually do it. > If I remember correctly, that's DBus's fate as well - being > deprecated and replaced by something Linux-centric (probably > a kernel mechanism). Maybe we can take the *Kit stuff with > that trash in the near future, too? :-) systemd on many (most?) distributions now, I think. >> Problems can also be caused by cargo-culting an xorg.conf file, rather >> than trying with an empty one. > > Typically not found in a fresh install. :-) But carefully added by far too many people. :) >>> I have configured X to work without HAL and DBUS and PolicyKit >>> and ConsoleKit and who knows what stuff... but if you're going >>> to use Xfce, you better keep those dependencies or many things >>> inside Xfce won't work as expected. >> >> Not necessary. I use dbus with xfce, but HAL is not needed and the rest >> need little or no configuration. > > Nice to hear that. Was about time. :-) > > I'd still be interested if system power control and automount > capabilities still require fiddling with the *Kit's XML files > scattered across the /usr/local subtree. :-) Entries are needed for polkit to enable shutdown. The pkg-message shows them. There are several ways to go about automounting, none of which I've bothered with in the last couple of years. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 17:18:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FB29CE103 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8301E158B for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7F2C69CE102; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC9E9CE101 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63805158A for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 9AC6E2C0705 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:18:31 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 11:18:25 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <960A2105-92B2-4986-88FD-9D761AB47A3C@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:33 -0000 On Sep 16, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Warren Block wrote: > The Handbook X chapter needs a rewrite. I've talked about it, but not = had time to actually do it. Us noobs (especially those of us with X troubles) are just ever so glad = to hear that there's something [citation needed] wrong in the X chapter = of the Handbook :-) > systemd on many (most?) distributions now, I think. Systemd is why some of us are trying to desert the Debian we've relied = on for so long. Linux' solution to some problems isn't to just fix the = problem, but to layer another big piece of software on the distro. BSD has what seems to be a reasonable startup system. Please don't go = over there.=20 --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 17:26:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC9A9CE42F for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC691A86 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 37C3F9CE42E; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D74D9CE42C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22a.google.com (mail-wi0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B01C01A85 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:26:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so80919371wic.1 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:26:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=5OjeqraPNDlIH9d2ifQaBFiX4xPhuAR9xFvjKx4y64k=; b=0piE4KaiJkGGPGR+ETJloW/T+5auq3cnHMc08PeF/1rM67IxrFae4U9sBcQ8+DyDyM kmcLNVxU4A/QoQnEOMMgREsOr9m66LwIbrL4RCAbT7swrAxA8QDww5l8MzhSvIKyC5Hk ksq7cx6z87W+ca9IE4LcpMleMgAsktHUWj8Rqj3jfcQAkh9v+lpD0Nvo3DPIQjYoxv+L YE8796Fi0i8AN+CVnJOUyvTvhbNJUenM3Fyufx9Q0PhEIUYZOcEE0lZZaVQmaol55XKy idcWzXb5+iH8AWZeR/mxPCVCNgDRJBIURMb10Q9+iazGLPSOWK4qNkOBLrXWiqN3DwWw vXbQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.174.227 with SMTP id bv3mr26690385wjc.142.1442424360891; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 10:26:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <85F545BE-0E68-4F70-A5FE-046602BD1C2C@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <85F545BE-0E68-4F70-A5FE-046602BD1C2C@slsware.net> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 12:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Adam Vande More To: Glenn English Cc: Warren Block , freebsdQuestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:26:03 -0000 On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 10:42 PM, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Warren Block wrote: > > > Okay, that is not a KMS problem, but an input problem. What is in > xorg.conf? > > I've got a doctor's appointment tomorrow. I'll post it tomorrow afternoon. > I appreciate you guts' help. > I'd guess, given the very limited amount of info provided, that the following pkg's aren't installed: xf86-input-keyboard xf86-input-mouse -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 19:09:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12DB99CD704 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:09:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E90491543 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id E5CA49CD703; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55529CD702 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A12D71542 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8GJ9RZV048831 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8GJ9RrU048828; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:09:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:09:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <960A2105-92B2-4986-88FD-9D761AB47A3C@slsware.net> Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <867fnr1lwy.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <20150915225637.05c1ffad.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150916095120.9a44b05a.freebsd@edvax.de> <960A2105-92B2-4986-88FD-9D761AB47A3C@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:09:27 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:09:30 -0000 On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Warren Block wrote: > >> The Handbook X chapter needs a rewrite. I've talked about it, but not had time to actually do it. > > Us noobs (especially those of us with X troubles) are just ever so glad to hear that there's something [citation needed] wrong in the X chapter of the Handbook :-) My short version is: 1. Use vt(4). This is the default on... well, someplace lately. 10.1-RELEASE, maybe earlier. 2. Install x11/xorg, not x11/xorg-minimal. Walk before you run with scissors. 3. Do not auto-generate an xorg.conf or use an old one. First, start X without any config file at all. Only create a config file if settings must be changed to make it work or add options. And if that is necessary, only put those entries in the config file. Everything else will autodetect. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 19:13:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50ABF9CDA1D for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:13:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1281C1A66 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:13:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8GJDTPp049859 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:13:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8GJDTZv049856; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:13:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:13:29 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk cc: Nilton Jose Rizzo , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Subject: Re: About drivers and how create one In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20150916142250.M64674@i805.com.br> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:13:29 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:13:31 -0000 On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Nilton Jose Rizzo > wrote: > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I bought a wireless mini usbcard, to test in >> FreeBSD, but it not reconized. In CD have a Linux >> source driver. >> My Question is : How hard is to convert a source >> code Linux to FreeBSD and where I can found information >> about it? >> >> The CHIP under device is Ralink rt28XX. The run(4) driver supports some of the Ralink RT28xx chips. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 20:49:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17EF29CE725 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:49:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from smtp2.bway.net (smtp2.v6.bway.net [IPv6:2607:d300:1::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E93991A2E for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mfv@bway.net) Received: from gecko4 (host-216-220-115-228.dsl.bway.net [216.220.115.228]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m1316v@bway.net) by smtp2.bway.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 06B3695879 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:49:23 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bway.net; s=mail; t=1442436564; bh=Tn8v3UiJBHY2CRZNMeFTfnst+joCQHL0KtY+LeIX2q8=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Reply-To; b=O8nasvNw159rPcQgnbAWtaKbkqMViMu6t55z4bUOyP2MCLseAvgk6VDoEgqiWPRSN ot8RUIZ/Tw96pB+gfrFlUYvRane9Knyvb3HzLplPKT3Wf0NZOtnZlXpxqsS9R3htmd 2oN+XjzGE9iNKfvUq3iGMUyhDFduNO+EqgAxulA4= Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 16:49:23 -0400 From: mfv To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Suggestion to add build/revision number to "pkg stats" Message-ID: <20150916164923.14c92486@gecko4> Reply-To: mfv@bway.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 20:49:35 -0000 Hello, I've been using pkg from an early release and have been very impressed with it ease of use. All but a handful of my programs are installed and upgraded with it. I only have a handful of programs with custom configurations and use portmaster to upgrade them. Before upgrading a port in the ports tree, I've read that it is best to make certain that the ports tree is in sync with the build number of the packages. This was achieved by modifying a script that I found on the web. However, this approach seems to be putting the horse before the cart. The build number is only available when the build begins, but the package upgrade is not possible until the build process ends many hours later. Moreover, it is also possible to update the port tree to a particular release and then do a follow up port upgrade to a different release. A simple solution would be to have the build number available as part of a port upgrade and made available in "pkg stats". Its output could look like this: Local package database: Installed packages: 780 Disk space occupied: 6 GiB Remote package database(s): Number of repositories: 1 Packages available: 24561 Unique packages: 24561 Total size of packages: 44 GiB Latest revision number: 123456 Even better would be an argument to "pkg stats" that would only output the revision number, say "pkg stats -n" After running "pkg upgrade", it would then be an easy to extract the build number of that particular upgrade and then sync the ports tree to that number using subversion or, my favourite, svnup. If I had a large number of machines to upgrade I would use poudriere within a jail but this seem to be overkill for a single computer. Many thanks for producing a well thought out set of programs. Cheers ... __O _ \<,_ Marek (+)/ (+) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 22:12:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2019CE4F4 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:12:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB5971547 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:12:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.12] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8GMCZDw026429 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:12:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 15:12:34 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9B43BB2E-779C-4859-B4B5-9BE395F0254B@lafn.org> References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> <514A6AC5-9F42-48E2-A37C-5196E6D4DF47@lafn.org> To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:12:43 -0000 > On 16 September 2015, at 06:38, Warren Block = wrote: >=20 > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>> On 15 September 2015, at 07:03, Warren Block = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>=20 >>>> After spending a lot of time reading through the various responses, = I decided to use a larger SSD and use dump/restore to move the data. = However, I encountered an interesting problem which I do not have a = solution for at this time. The system will only boot a memstick image. = That works fine. I formatted the new SSD and got it all setup. = However, none of the current systems have enough space to do a dump on. = I needed to dump from the existing machine over to the new one with the = SSD. The only thing running on the SSD machine is the live file system. = Dump uses rsh/rcmd which need some files set in /root. Unfortunately = that is mounted as read only as its a memstick image. I can=92t see how = to easily get dump to dump to a remote system when you can=92t get = rsh/rcmd to login. >>>=20 >>> The live filesystem from an installer will work, although mfsBSD is = nicer. >>>=20 >>> Pipe the output from dump into an ssh session on the remote machine = that runs restore. Leaving out most of the options for clarity: >>>=20 >>> dump -f - | ssh user@remote 'cd /target && restore -rf -' >>>=20 >>> If a dump file is desired, it can be created on the SSD filesystem: >>> = http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_code_dump_code_via_s= sh >>>=20 >>> That file can be restored directly on that system. Since the SSD = has essentially zero access time, it does not hurt like restoring a = dumpfile on the same drive. >>=20 >> Unfortunately, these approaches don=92t work either. The installer=92s= live filesystem only has one user, root with a null password. It can=92t= start sshd because there are no keys on the live filesystem and /etc is = not writable. Likewise I can=92t run nfs on the machine because the = exports file cannot be created. I am downloading mfsBSD to see if that = can be made to work. It does not appear to support ssh, but claims to = include nfs. >=20 > mfsBSD *does* have sshd, and is writable. I thought that could be = done with the installer also, sorry. mfsBSD does work. I am transferring the data now. Looks like it will = take about 7 hours as there are about 300 GB to transfer. Dump is = claiming that time figure. There is an error in the dump command above. = It needs a =91/=91 before the =91|=92. Thanks for all the help from everyone. =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Sep 16 23:09:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC9B9CE030 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 23:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAC4B1F9C for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 23:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8GN9V1W009022 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8GN9VGI009019; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:09:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:09:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Doug Hardie cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD In-Reply-To: <9B43BB2E-779C-4859-B4B5-9BE395F0254B@lafn.org> Message-ID: References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> <514A6AC5-9F42-48E2-A37C-5196E6D4DF47@lafn.org> <9B43BB2E-779C-4859-B4B5-9BE395F0254B@lafn.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:09:31 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 23:09:34 -0000 On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: > >> On 16 September 2015, at 06:38, Warren Block wrote: >> >> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >> >>> >>>> On 15 September 2015, at 07:03, Warren Block wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>> >>>>> After spending a lot of time reading through the various responses, I decided to use a larger SSD and use dump/restore to move the data. However, I encountered an interesting problem which I do not have a solution for at this time. The system will only boot a memstick image. That works fine. I formatted the new SSD and got it all setup. However, none of the current systems have enough space to do a dump on. I needed to dump from the existing machine over to the new one with the SSD. The only thing running on the SSD machine is the live file system. Dump uses rsh/rcmd which need some files set in /root. Unfortunately that is mounted as read only as its a memstick image. I can’t see how to easily get dump to dump to a remote system when you can’t get rsh/rcmd to login. >>>> >>>> The live filesystem from an installer will work, although mfsBSD is nicer. >>>> >>>> Pipe the output from dump into an ssh session on the remote machine that runs restore. Leaving out most of the options for clarity: >>>> >>>> dump -f - | ssh user@remote 'cd /target && restore -rf -' >There is an error in the dump command above. It needs a ‘/‘ before the >‘|’. Note the "Leaving out most of the options for clarity" part. See http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_code_dump_code_via_ssh Options like -b64 can greatly increase speed. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 04:40:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E3F9CE518 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DBFC1785 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 8D4789CE517; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE209CE516 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:40:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E1C61783 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:40:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from kw.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t8H4eGbI063828; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 06:40:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: Glenn English , freebsdQuestions References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <55FA4430.3030007@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 06:40:16 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:40:30 -0000 On 2015-09-15 21:08, Glenn English wrote: > I'm trying to move from Debian Linux to FreeBSD. xorg runs and displays the crossed grey and black, like it's supposed to. I've even seen an XFCE desktop. But once this comes up (both of them), there's no way, short of rebooting, to quit xorg or to get back to the console. I've tried several times to install XFCE with 10.2. > > I'm thinking the problem may have to do with dbus. > > I booted this morning, and it works perfectly (as far as I can tell) to the console. But when I type: > > service dbus start > > the error message says it couldn't get the UID and GID for 'messagebus'. So I said > > pkg install dbus > > Everything updated it self properly, and it said that the latest version of dbus was already installed. > > Where does user messagebus come from? Am I wrong about what the problem is? Any thought and/or instructions would be greatly appreciated. > Have a look at this thread. https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/shutdown-using-hal.2324/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 05:12:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D579CE5D7 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 05:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from zoom.lafn.org (zoom.lafn.org [108.92.93.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B3791E55 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 05:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.12] (static-71-177-216-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [71.177.216.148]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoom.lafn.org (8.14.7/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8H5CIGp034124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Subject: Re: Replacing Drive with SSD From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:12:18 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <84EDD30C-1F0C-4163-B32C-B95E0FD6978B@lafn.org> References: <20150829220311.c7608be1.freebsd@edvax.de> <55E45973.2050103@sneakertech.com> <55E4865B.1000104@sneakertech.com> <20150831181135.7682a810@gumby.homeunix.com> <867fnywc8i.fsf@WorkBox.Home> <08306F31-955B-4710-B20B-4F2ABE0CBA56@kraus-haus.org> <997E40C8-6C07-4621-B5D8-E0672DC4517B@lafn.org> <514A6AC5-9F42-48E2-A37C-5196E6D4DF47@lafn.org> <9B43BB2E-779C-4859-B4B5-9BE395F0254B@lafn.org> To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98 at zoom.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 05:12:22 -0000 > On 16 September 2015, at 16:09, Warren Block = wrote: >=20 > On Wed, 16 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>> On 16 September 2015, at 06:38, Warren Block = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On 15 September 2015, at 07:03, Warren Block = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Doug Hardie wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> After spending a lot of time reading through the various = responses, I decided to use a larger SSD and use dump/restore to move = the data. However, I encountered an interesting problem which I do not = have a solution for at this time. The system will only boot a memstick = image. That works fine. I formatted the new SSD and got it all setup. = However, none of the current systems have enough space to do a dump on. = I needed to dump from the existing machine over to the new one with the = SSD. The only thing running on the SSD machine is the live file system. = Dump uses rsh/rcmd which need some files set in /root. Unfortunately = that is mounted as read only as its a memstick image. I can=92t see how = to easily get dump to dump to a remote system when you can=92t get = rsh/rcmd to login. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The live filesystem from an installer will work, although mfsBSD = is nicer. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Pipe the output from dump into an ssh session on the remote = machine that runs restore. Leaving out most of the options for clarity: >>>>>=20 >>>>> dump -f - | ssh user@remote 'cd /target && restore -rf -' >=20 >> There is an error in the dump command above. It needs a =91/=91 = before the =91|=92. >=20 > Note the "Leaving out most of the options for clarity" part. See > = http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html#_code_dump_code_via_s= sh >=20 > Options like -b64 can greatly increase speed. I did notice that and the -b64 would not have changed the duration. The = disks were at about 2% utilization. The bottleneck was the network = connection. It averaged 90 Mbps on a 100 Mbps link. That was the = reason it took so long. =20 Thanks for all the assistance. Its completed and the new system will go = into production later tonight. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 05:33:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9169CE219 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 05:33:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from hapkido.dreamhost.com (hapkido.dreamhost.com [66.33.216.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C6E17FD for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 05:33:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@ozzmosis.com) Received: from homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (sub5.mail.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.129]) by hapkido.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6FF592E52 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA12737A06B for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:33:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=ozzmosis.com; h=date:from :to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=ozzmosis.com ; bh=yzLmLux/d5JrtOqqGXHnYWdqdCs=; b=ttmMhlfq38pwuUpmgzy05RDLYef VifGS7sU5GxXf4OUqHwuMGV+vmFaV4GCA5IpvtZVWpBWNYY/M1V7OQznjP//Jq9N D7G2DA7GyBG+w9rMm9Uo4eRvZdO/CCrb+g1cUkQK9ec7NdUf3+ARRKmS9Q22xLQ3 GoGd4ZtLHWcaplcY= Received: from blizzard.ozzmosis.com (124-170-8-201.dyn.iinet.net.au [124.170.8.201]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: relay@ozzmosis.com) by homiemail-a80.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2259737A065 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 2015 22:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by blizzard.ozzmosis.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C398BE03; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:33:24 +1000 (AEST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:33:24 +1000 From: andrew clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ppp client not relinquishing IP address Message-ID: <20150917053324.GA26115@ozzmosis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 05:33:34 -0000 Hi, I run my ADSL modem in bridge mode. Often when my the ADSL service disconnects for whatever reason, FreeBSD's ppp client will 'hold' the old IP address despite it no longer being connected: $ ifconfig tun0 tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1492 options=80000 inet 203.206.32.1 --> 150.101.32.78 netmask 0xffffff00 inet 114.198.37.186 --> 150.101.32.44 netmask 0xffffff00 nd6 options=21 Opened by PID 10470 What's causing this, and is there any way I can prevent it? For one, ddclient doesn't update my dynamic DNS server with the new IP address. My /etc/ppp.conf is as follows, and hopefully some useful bits of /var/log/ppp.log below it. Thanks. Regards Andrew default: set log phase ipcp ccp tun command nat enable yes enable echo enable lqr set speed sync set ctsrts off set ifaddr 10.2.0.1/0 10.2.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 iinet: set device PPPoE:bge0 set authname username set authkey password set dial set login set mru 1492 set mtu 1492 set timeout 0 set redial 30 0 add default HISADDR Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: ** Too many LCP ECHO packets lost ** Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Stopped --> Closed Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Initial Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: open -> lcp Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Warning: 0.0.0.0: Change route failed: errno: No such process Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerDown: 203.206.32.1 Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: Using trigger address 0.0.0.0 Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Opened --> Starting Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerFinish. Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: Connect time: 177032 secs: 4603586184 octets in, 3639482180 octets out Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: 5337253 packets in, 5181568 packets out Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: total 46562 bytes/sec, peak 554035 bytes/sec on Wed Sep 16 09:05:32 2015 Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Starting --> Initial Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Terminate Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> logout Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Disconnected! Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: logout -> hangup Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connect time: 177034 secs: 4593045207 octets in, 3649979017 octets out Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: 5345986 packets in, 5190311 packets out Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: total 46561 bytes/sec, peak 554561 bytes/sec on Wed Sep 16 09:06:03 2015 Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> opening Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Establish Sep 17 13:59:19 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Enter pause (3) for redialing. ... Sep 17 14:05:53 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: hangup -> opening Sep 17 14:05:53 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Enter pause (30) for redialing. Sep 17 14:06:23 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: Connected! Sep 17 14:06:23 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: opening -> dial Sep 17 14:06:23 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: dial -> carrier Sep 17 14:06:24 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: Received NGM_PPPOE_ACNAME (hook "bng1.mel4") Sep 17 14:06:24 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: Received NGM_PPPOE_SESSIONID Sep 17 14:06:24 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: Received NGM_PPPOE_SUCCESS Sep 17 14:06:24 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: carrier -> login Sep 17 14:06:24 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: login -> lcp Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Authenticate Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: his = PAP, mine = none Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: Pap Output: username ******** Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: Pap Input: SUCCESS () Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: Using trigger address 0.0.0.0 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: deflink: LayerStart. Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: MPPE: Not usable without CHAP81 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(1) state = Closed Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: DEFLATE[4] win 15 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: PRED1[2] Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: lcp -> open Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: bundle: Network Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: FSM: Using "deflink" as a transport Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Initial --> Closed Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerStart. Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(4) state = Closed Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Closed --> Req-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(117) state = Req-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 150.101.32.44 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigAck(117) state = Req-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 150.101.32.44 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Ack-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: CCP: deflink: State change Req-Sent --> Stopped Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigRej(4) state = Ack-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: COMPPROTO[6] 16 VJ slots with slot compression Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(5) state = Ack-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 0.0.0.0 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: IPV6CP protocol reject closes IPV6CP ! Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigNak(5) state = Ack-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 114.198.37.186 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] changing address: 0.0.0.0 --> 114.198.37.186 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: SendConfigReq(6) state = Ack-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 114.198.37.186 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: IPV6CP protocol reject closes IPV6CP ! Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: RecvConfigAck(6) state = Ack-Sent Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: IPADDR[6] 114.198.37.186 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: State change Ack-Sent --> Opened Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: deflink: LayerUp. Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: IPCP: myaddr 114.198.37.186 hisaddr = 150.101.32.44 Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Command: iinet: !bg sh /etc/ppp/freedns.sh Sep 17 14:06:25 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Warning: 0.0.0.0: Change route failed: errno: No such process Sep 17 14:06:28 xyz ppp[10470]: tun0: Phase: deflink: IPV6CP protocol reject closes IPV6CP ! Sep 17 14:06:37 xyz last message repeated 3 times EOT From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 10:10:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550459CE7A7 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3591D1B1B for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 345239CE7A6; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33EAB9CE7A5 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C53141B17 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:10:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF48FD7884 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:10:25 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :subject:subject:from:from:received:received:received; s= selector1; t=1442484624; x=1444299025; bh=iRwHkF4M6HeNjjnjTCnqSj W7BKRBvlcokbrMMAYY9Co=; b=EZEm2UEuBUQGVZMHziL8D/rdTsqzm/Hp0zGBtn Ev5WBz4q4NtSMpqR4p1BE8JbKtYZlb4Pd4DKujB+1A16VH2qWt6JpOi2MjsLvSfk n5mU/rROHp4y/BHpovc65vXkEGELyzPowe7lxctUBHr4xsTgWbmGZDi2O96Zh815 MkCYY= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 8RLWY8JW752n for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:10:24 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9381D7883 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:10:24 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id t8HAAOh6079598; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:10:24 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier Nicole To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Samba 4.2 in FreeBSD 10.2 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:10:24 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:10:36 -0000 Hi, I have been trying to run Samba 4.2 in FreeBSD 10.2. My first try was to upgrade FreeBSD from 10.1 and Samba from 4.0.25. That failed miserably. So I installed a new RELENG 10.2 machine, with the latest Samba 4.2.3_1 and that also fails. samba-tool domain provision --interactive with all default answer will create a python2.7 core dump! Launching samba with a server role of active directory comain controler will core dump samba. I am at lost about what to try and help is greatly needed. TIA. 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[76.190.244.6]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id b16sm1129670iob.39.2015.09.17.04.55.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 04:55:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55FAAA1B.3090306@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:55:07 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andrew clarke CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ppp client not relinquishing IP address References: <20150917053324.GA26115@ozzmosis.com> In-Reply-To: <20150917053324.GA26115@ozzmosis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:55:02 -0000 andrew clarke wrote: > Hi, > > I run my ADSL modem in bridge mode. Often when my the ADSL service > disconnects for whatever reason, FreeBSD's ppp client will 'hold' the > old IP address despite it no longer being connected: > > $ ifconfig tun0 > tun0: flags=8051 metric 0 mtu 1492 > options=80000 > inet 203.206.32.1 --> 150.101.32.78 netmask 0xffffff00 > inet 114.198.37.186 --> 150.101.32.44 netmask 0xffffff00 > nd6 options=21 > Opened by PID 10470 > > What's causing this, and is there any way I can prevent it? > > For one, ddclient doesn't update my dynamic DNS server with the new IP > address. > > My /etc/ppp.conf is as follows, and hopefully some useful bits of > /var/log/ppp.log below it. > > Thanks. > > Regards > Andrew > > default: > set log phase ipcp ccp tun command > nat enable yes > enable echo > enable lqr > set speed sync > set ctsrts off > set ifaddr 10.2.0.1/0 10.2.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0 > > iinet: > set device PPPoE:bge0 > set authname username > set authkey password > set dial > set login > set mru 1492 > set mtu 1492 > set timeout 0 > set redial 30 0 > add default HISADDR > Here are the commands you seek. # Get dynamic IP address from ISP. set ifaddr 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 enable dns # Gets the ISP's DNS IP address & places them # in resolv.conf for reference by FBSD. disable iface-alias # Stop adding old IP address as alias when ppp # redials because line was lost. iface clear # Remove all previous IP address set redial 10 4 # if busy redial 4 times with 10 second pause You should be using a firewall for NAT instead of doing it in ppp. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 14:37:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB249CEDCD for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestio@aim.com) Received: from omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (omr-m001e.mx.aol.com [204.29.186.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 828A81FC3 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xavierfreebsdquestio@aim.com) Received: from mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com [172.26.252.15]) by omr-m001e.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9438438000F1 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:37:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mma02g.mail.aol.com (core-mma02.mail.aol.com [172.27.38.12]) by mtaomg-mbd01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 3BA2538000084 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 88.3.198.17 by webprd-a82.mail.aol.com (10.72.104.212) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:37:00 -0400 Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:37:00 -0400 From: Xavier Freebsd Questio To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <14fdbbcaf70-170c-8561@webprd-a82.mail.aol.com> Subject: install all ports in one category via PORTMASTER(8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: JAS STD X-Originating-IP: [88.3.198.17] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aim.com; s=20150623; t=1442500621; bh=Co8PUPGnVXpFLQEPplNY8ih8eDIzxKXNmtq3So//hDE=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EtQIrX0CSaN8VJ02HUR2mTWLCjgHcn87y94INRtIfJfjoN5viA82AvO7Sy05vK7ls XsOLb5rBIfSLR5Znh/oxVod20ZTQG8X3oxyzSFQi+TTV1x2Us3Ts+e69RLHuOGQ+jt rCxWaJpcNC61kyFROUFLol04momckpZjP0YNgd+k= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afc0f55fad00c162c X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:37:08 -0000 Hi , Is there any way to install all ports of one category ( /games/* for example ) via PORTMASTER(8) in one single line command ? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 14:54:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48789CF73C for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C6A41BBF for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:54:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wicfx3 with SMTP id fx3so27541976wic.1 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uhWtwUJEeDWnuRQaT71nEXYlGdmq0bXoaH7+hkxRDOk=; b=bsPDuz7HofjmLPGzKqvpRAsQWZKNYmKXD+qwiDZZH4MJ72H7lQHi7hEDsm0wIqswXK bNwv4MAyy/Pyibd3YVcGOoDZ6pxT0v1jrhcaIKyX29kIl3e8qQOlc73XvmnEgpyaD33V 1Wzyt479aoIkCYZmapQfU/0YS4JWhK5rDabtVAAcc4SK0XZMqSTWALz/Mm6a6RmPh/Vo +hz7xmXzhj4pWJF6h95SeUEtDPUy1XSinE366UKb5bSrLaBPO2dmuJajAsu02L0OeIxN UWaWWRJJP0sZ/pSqJ8NgLlzkTJL7BWb+0RBTjtAsBEH0cZ9nWrnD1UNEuFXg2syEgZbQ C4jw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.174.227 with SMTP id bv3mr37301147wjc.142.1442501644634; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:54:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <14fdbbcaf70-170c-8561@webprd-a82.mail.aol.com> References: <14fdbbcaf70-170c-8561@webprd-a82.mail.aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:54:04 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: install all ports in one category via PORTMASTER(8) From: Adam Vande More To: Xavier Freebsd Questio Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 14:54:06 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Xavier Freebsd Questio via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi , > > Is there any way to install all ports of one category ( /games/* for > example ) via PORTMASTER(8) in one single line command ? > It's doubtful that any ports tools supports although a one liner could be written which would attempt this. However that's a bad idea, many ports exclude installing other ports. Those scenarios generally involved ports in the same category. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 15:19:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF699CE2F0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: from ns.kevlo.org (220-135-115-6.HINET-IP.hinet.net [220.135.115.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns.kevlo.org", Issuer "ns.kevlo.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 820AB1B73 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:19:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: from ns.kevlo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.kevlo.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8HFJEb4068282 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:19:14 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: (from kevlo@localhost) by ns.kevlo.org (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t8HFJDTR068280; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:19:13 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from kevlo) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:19:12 +0800 From: Kevin Lo To: Nilton Jose Rizzo Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: About drivers and how create one Message-ID: <20150917151912.GA68273@ns.kevlo.org> References: <20150916142250.M64674@i805.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20150916142250.M64674@i805.com.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:19:38 -0000 On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:35:31AM -0300, Nilton Jose Rizzo wrote: > > > Hi all, Hi, > I bought a wireless mini usbcard, to test in > FreeBSD, but it not reconized. In CD have a Linux > source driver. > My Question is : How hard is to convert a source > code Linux to FreeBSD and where I can found information > about it? > > The CHIP under device is Ralink rt28XX. Could you use usbconfig(8) to show the vendor and device IDs? Thanks. > I'm using a FreeBSD -current > > uname -a > FreeBSD leblon 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #10 r285290: Wed Jul 8 > 21:50:30 BRT 2015 rizzo@leblon:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LEBLON amd64 > > P.S. I Have a good knowledgement in C/C++ and assembler, but I never > wrote a kernel module. > > TIA > > --- > /************************************************* > **Nilton José Rizzo UFRRJ > **http://www.rizzo.eng.br http://www.ufrrj.br > **http://lattes.cnpq.br/0079460703536198 > **************************************************/ Kevin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 15:36:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D83E9CEEB5 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B311F7B for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 120899CEEB4; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119C79CEEB3 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 843511F79 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from kw.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t8HFa7BU078009; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:36:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: Glenn English , Warren Block References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> Cc: freebsdQuestions From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:36:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:36:14 -0000 On 2015-09-16 03:54, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 15, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >> Exactly what happens when leaving X. > > I can't leave X. Rebooting with the power switch is the only option. No it's not. When you get the login prompt press alt+F3 and login in as root. Then you press alt+F2 and login as you. When you logout and xfce seem to be locked up. Press alt+F3 and type blindly killall startx or X or xfce4. > >> Sometimes it's a blank screen and the user can type 'startx'. That is due to KMS. > > Nope. Once xorg starts, there's nothing that will do anything. And startx is how I get there. X starts, but once it does, nothing (mouse, keyboard) makes anything happen. > >> xfce uses it, but I can't recall if it is required. But it would not cause this type of problem anyway. > > OK. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 16:04:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876699CDCFF for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:04:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markhamb@corp.ssimicro.com) Received: from smail.ssimicro.com (smail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smail.ssimicro.com", Issuer "test CA 1" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43D751F8B for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markhamb@corp.ssimicro.com) Received: from markham.ssimicro.com (markham.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by smail.ssimicro.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t8HFbsni002202 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:37:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from markhamb@corp.ssimicro.com) Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] install all ports in one category via PORTMASTER(8) To: Xavier Freebsd Questio , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <14fdbbcaf70-170c-8561@webprd-a82.mail.aol.com> From: markham breitbach X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55FADEB4.404@corp.ssimicro.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:39:32 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14fdbbcaf70-170c-8561@webprd-a82.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:04:19 -0000 You should just be able to do something like this: # cd /usr/ports/games # make install I think there is an environment variable you can set that enable 'batch' mode, so it will just install everything with default options. -Markham On 2015-09-17 8:37 AM, Xavier Freebsd Questio via freebsd-questions wrote= : > Hi , > > Is there any way to install all ports of one category ( /games/* for ex= ample ) via PORTMASTER(8) in one single line command ? > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 16:41:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AF899CF03E for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:41:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexmiroslav@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x242.google.com (mail-wi0-x242.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 240371D65 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:41:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexmiroslav@gmail.com) Received: by wiku15 with SMTP id u15so5866004wik.1 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=6xRUkVD5+LMEzWxguxGHJjfkVoXGVa7Zmp1DQcUo6Po=; b=WspjWI9UR7yoppDGwmA2f4kNeWbUdEpCBzndtdBbiZtgv4v2mDgcKgGYu6uoNkNLIw npyFiidrHrv0LBMmYinIoPsshlW5g+Vr28kOlhBF3gKyHjp5f/+N1cQsjcds6G9CwXXo 8JtzKrjuO4csxtIXi7XcFZajHp/0ue7hZc00Ae51t4aI4Wnv6XCQsJNs7GlxUXlqG43J cv8/vVkQHjmMiSj44/5g0VHN5tNdLvajfAbWqTAitz/snmCPemvRfYqjpobZ3pOmc7MC RFmzINp3e1Kilx2paYt7woZc8HiG25TrMDAu2jtkZj9CLrSxNMEf6xk5TaLxpX1/uVxF CPIA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.107.1 with SMTP id gy1mr32660987wib.56.1442508091657; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.22.149 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:41:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:41:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: irc bot for logging in ports From: Aleksandr Miroslav To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:41:33 -0000 hi, I'm not too familiar with IRC, so I thought I would ask here. I'm looking for a bot that will log conversations a particular IRC channel. My requirements are that it should be available from ports. There are a lot of older bots out there that look like they are a total pain to configure. I'd prefer something that gets out of the way and just works. thanks, Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 16:59:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF669CF6A5 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youvegotmoxie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x22b.google.com (mail-lb0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4571B17B1 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:59:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youvegotmoxie@gmail.com) Received: by lbcao8 with SMTP id ao8so12625051lbc.3 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=IeAMkDbE7XHkORKi7HYv0E+AVKZ5Ein0p0SPDonUKpw=; b=dfTmBHOC6wOm3LElgGPREwDPdT4s6OHQUU/XW8+sfRWL5f7RqSccpR0la3Qm2hJj9r EL7EFL35QHX51r0nUk0TQuTU5NBxKa0nzmZwEfc8oAP0C/SFTY9gKNEb2FnSDFzZGKyX p3ivx6nSWjVoz6+B5r0GA/LH8kdDn4Y/qlqqMGvCCcaEDVwhCKkNhbRVkRHO24qo7q9U M/8aUFAykjKceMlXxYgq9RFVB5XtK+Pq4kldedc3pQsnEWB2wmSjP3gdN2YprJBAc6n8 KnwRN5POBkk40dd+itp0rM9qDs1myvyN3UdbH6neOUp6bYu6Kw2gpbVHscyFSuFBQHjC szuw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.13.136 with SMTP id h8mr201868lbc.23.1442509145222; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.168 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.96.168 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:59:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 12:59:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: irc bot for logging in ports From: Michael Beasley To: Aleksandr Miroslav Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:59:07 -0000 On Sep 17, 2015 12:41 PM, "Aleksandr Miroslav" wrote: > > hi, > > I'm not too familiar with IRC, so I thought I would ask here. > > I'm looking for a bot that will log conversations a particular IRC channel. > My requirements are that it should be available from ports. > > There are a lot of older bots out there that look like they are a total > pain to configure. I'd prefer something that gets out of the way and just > works. > > thanks, > Alex Alex, I've had good luck with phenny and eggdrop in the past. If all you want is logging a console based irc client such as irssi combined with screen would handle that and is much easier than configuring a bot. -Mike > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 17:56:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA2109CE14D for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bthcom@higonnet.net) Received: from freebsd.higonnet.net (higonnet.net [45.32.236.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D4C17A9 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:56:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bthcom@higonnet.net) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (ARouen-151-1-94-177.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.225.177]) by freebsd.higonnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2DBE92F190 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:56:53 +0000 (UTC) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Bernard Higonnet Subject: Constantly running out of swap space Message-ID: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:56:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:56:55 -0000 Using FreeBSD 10.2 I'm using a swap file set up as described at https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html No matter what size I make it (last time 4GB) I run out of swap space on a VPS with 768KB RAM. Space is being used by amavisd/clamd which is apparently notorious space hungry, but it's clear to me there's a problem somewhere. Everything works OK for a while (a few hours? on a system with very little traffic (100 emails a day...)) and then runs out of space. I assume amavisd/clamd are not using swap space explicitly and the OS decides on is own that swap space is needed. Any suggestions? TIA Bernard Higonnet From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 18:16:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030739CEB97 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:16:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7E731132 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:16:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wicge5 with SMTP id ge5so2126950wic.0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:16:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=N+jAj6G4Bl4bv9Ar7gdF1oz5az3eoX3jMhQrbQuOeWM=; b=GVzpqdcJ5iAoPCKpe5zyYts2O/agxSLIcfR8q79IFtQweyI9fDAvAK0utu5skv3m65 ez6QISk+fX6gV1WVOnCFslH+f1Z9ry7fF/vcAbsd/EosaARJKh7sH8vYkZG27vceokr7 H+ycKGpK2DvYFFZtRlPhDIJHgQzWAD4hJKRwEDOAk1vBA/yI4umnUyb0rdG9Q+AGNVCs WD4+/q7k0XlBtSlFsAkJlLCKOB8J4HUxYVJdQte72Xk7B0C39a1E/O/coNVgvXzMOc6Q PdFnSAJQ3GqWqhP7UOpBnDCNLWA7779Fw0lbxJW5GfXZfaasZnM0rtFgr0yyi4qXTU8s LX3Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.101.198 with SMTP id fi6mr10538195wib.25.1442513761977; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 11:16:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> References: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 13:16:01 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Constantly running out of swap space From: Adam Vande More To: Bernard Higonnet Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:16:04 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Bernard Higonnet wrote: > Using FreeBSD 10.2 > > I'm using a swap file set up as described at > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html > > No matter what size I make it (last time 4GB) I run out of swap space on a > VPS with 768KB RAM. Space is being used by amavisd/clamd which is > apparently notorious space hungry, but it's clear to me there's a problem > somewhere. Everything works OK for a while (a few hours? on a system with > very little traffic (100 emails a day...)) and then runs out of space. > > I assume amavisd/clamd are not using swap space explicitly and the OS > decides on is own that swap space is needed > Only the kernel controls VM, not userland. Userland tools can only make requests. > Any suggestions? > If it was me, I'd remove any file backed swap you may have already added and then configure whatever is using swap to consume less. In your case, amavisd/clamd have settings which will do so. I would also eliminate any unnecessary services on the box. Your VPS provider may also be able to provide you with a separate block device which can be used as dedicated swap although I would avoid doing that under most circumstances. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 18:19:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E75029CED3A for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from rand.keepquiet.net (keepquiet.net [144.76.43.178]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "keepquiet.net", Issuer "PositiveSSL CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A71F81231 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:19:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from terje@elde.net) Received: from [10.190.102.56] (2.150.0.231.tmi.telenormobil.no [2.150.0.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: terje@elde.net) by rand.keepquiet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BC76486; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:13:29 +0000 (UTC) References: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> In-Reply-To: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <24A4BB17-D17B-4C47-9E3A-16895D148251@elde.net> Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B500) From: Terje Elde Subject: Re: Constantly running out of swap space Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:13:24 +0200 To: Bernard Higonnet X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:19:11 -0000 On 17. sep. 2015, at 19:56, Bernard Higonnet wrote: > Any suggestions? See if you can find a way to reduce the number of workers? Terje From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 18:52:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9FD9CFCD2 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:52:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bthcom@higonnet.net) Received: from freebsd.higonnet.net (higonnet.net [45.32.236.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BF71BE0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:52:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bthcom@higonnet.net) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (ARouen-151-1-34-109.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.97.109]) by freebsd.higonnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9DCFC2F1B5 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Constantly running out of swap space References: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> To: FreeBSD Questions From: Bernard Higonnet Message-ID: <55FB0BDF.1050605@higonnet.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:52:15 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:52:20 -0000 I'll try that, but something in my bones make me skeptical. For the kind of traffic I have trouble seeing so many workers spinning their wheels at the same time... I think there's either something wrong with how I set up my swap space (highly likely) or a bug in swapping to a file in 10.2 (highly unlikely). Thnx Bernard Higonnet On 2015-09-17 20:16, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Bernard Higonnet > wrote: > >> Using FreeBSD 10.2 >> >> I'm using a swap file set up as described at >> https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html >> >> No matter what size I make it (last time 4GB) I run out of swap space on a >> VPS with 768KB RAM. Space is being used by amavisd/clamd which is >> apparently notorious space hungry, but it's clear to me there's a problem >> somewhere. Everything works OK for a while (a few hours? on a system with >> very little traffic (100 emails a day...)) and then runs out of space. >> >> I assume amavisd/clamd are not using swap space explicitly and the OS >> decides on is own that swap space is needed >> > > Only the kernel controls VM, not userland. Userland tools can only make > requests. > > >> Any suggestions? >> > > If it was me, I'd remove any file backed swap you may have already added > and then configure whatever is using swap to consume less. In your case, > amavisd/clamd have settings which will do so. I would also eliminate any > unnecessary services on the box. Your VPS provider may also be able to > provide you with a separate block device which can be used as dedicated > swap although I would avoid doing that under most circumstances. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 22:02:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62199CF682 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [IPv6:2607:fc50:1000:500:216:3eff:fe29:b49b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7DFD12BA for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E637026F for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04347-01 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp138.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [12.20.174.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0170C37026E for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:02:01 -0700 (PDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Newman Subject: PHP dumps core after upgrade Message-ID: <55FB3859.2050101@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:02:01 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:02:10 -0000 On a FreeBSD 10.1 system using pkg(ng), after an upgrade from php 5.6.12 to 5.6.13 for all PHP modules and rebooting, Apache fails to start, with lots of PHP errors in the log, pasted below. Running 'php' from the command line also dumps core with the same messages. I think this is a PHP problem then, but my knowledge of PHP would fill a thimble. Search engines turned up some old (2008 and earlier) posts about this problem but the fixes involve portmaster or portupgrade. Thanks in advance for troubleshooting clues. dn PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_connect in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_pconnect in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_close in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_select_db in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_query in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_free_result in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_get_last_message in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_num_rows in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_num_fields in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_fetch_row in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_fetch_array in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_fetch_assoc in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_fetch_object in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_data_seek in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_fetch_field in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_field_seek in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - mssql_result in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: sybase_ct: Unable to register functions, unable to load in Unknown on line 0 PHP Warning: Module 'mysqli' already loaded in Unknown on line 0 Segmentation fault (core dumped) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 22:17:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BCB9CFCF1 for ; 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Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:17:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55FB3859.2050101@networktest.com> References: <55FB3859.2050101@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:17:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PHP dumps core after upgrade From: Adam Vande More To: David Newman Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:17:23 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 5:02 PM, David Newman wrote: > On a FreeBSD 10.1 system using pkg(ng), after an upgrade from php 5.6.12 > to 5.6.13 for all PHP modules and rebooting, Apache fails to start, with > lots of PHP errors in the log, pasted below. > > Running 'php' from the command line also dumps core with the same messages. > > I think this is a PHP problem then, but my knowledge of PHP would fill a > thimble. > > Search engines turned up some old (2008 and earlier) posts about this > problem but the fixes involve portmaster or portupgrade. > > Thanks in advance for troubleshooting clues. > > dn > > > > PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - > mssql_connect in Unknown on line 0 > /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini should not contain duplicate entries. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 22:29:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A64A9CE2AA for ; 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charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:28:50 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:29:11 -0000 OK. Some progress. I think I may have tried too hard. I was working from = :A FreeBSD 10 Desktop How-to". I tried another install using just = defaults (except for turning off games and turning on NTP). It almost = works. It will boot, run in a console (I don't think it switches from one = workspace to another). And pkg xorg and pkg xfce work. And when I = starxfce4, it comes up with the mouse and the keyboard working as = expected. I can install widgets in the panel, the terminal emulator = works. But selecting logout in the menu drops XFCE as it should, but it drops = to a completely blank screen with nothing paying any attention at mouse = or screen. I tried ctl-n, ctl-alt-n, and just alt-n. Nothing. After a reboot, I brought up X again, and typed, among some other = things, ctl-alt-1, and X froze just like it did before. I'm trying to get used to the way things are done in FreeBSD, and I = truly believe it can all be done, but things doesn't work like they do = in Debian.=20 I can't even get a thumb-drive mounted. When I put one in, there's text = saying that da0 and da0s1 have been noticed. If I type 'mount /dev/da0 = /mnt', it says that /dev/da0 is an invalid param (or something like = that). So I tried 'mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt'. Same error message. I looked = at man, and it looked like a -t was what it was looking for, so I added = -t msdosfs to the command IIRC, I got a different error message, but it = didn't mount. I don't have a problem with things being different, but the = documentation on how to get this stuff working requires that I have it = working to read the dox. Does anyone know of an accurate set of instructions on the 'Net for a = BSD install. Is there anything that really need editing after a really = basic install (the one I just did had to download pkg when I tried to = get xorg installed :-) This is getting frustrating. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 22:59:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D559CF1D9 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:59:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 520061FB8 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9126B37026F for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04347-10 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp138.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [12.20.174.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5163837026E for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: PHP dumps core after upgrade To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55FB3859.2050101@networktest.com> From: David Newman X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <55FB45B3.1050404@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 15:58:59 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 22:59:02 -0000 On 9/17/15 3:17 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: >> PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - >> mssql_connect in Unknown on line 0 >> > > /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini should not contain duplicate entries. Sorry, but it may be something else as well. This file had one duplicate -- for mysqli.so -- but the system still dumps core after removing the dupe and rebooting. extensions.ini file contents below. Does extension order matter? Also, where else should I be looking? Thanks! dn extension=dom.so extension=hash.so extension=ctype.so extension=filter.so extension=iconv.so extension=json.so zend_extension=/usr/local/lib/php/20131226/opcache.so extension=phar.so extension=posix.so extension=session.so extension=simplexml.so extension=sqlite3.so extension=tokenizer.so extension=xmlreader.so extension=xmlwriter.so extension=bcmath.so extension=bz2.so extension=calendar.so extension=curl.so extension=dba.so extension=exif.so extension=fileinfo.so extension=ftp.so extension=gd.so extension=gettext.so extension=gmp.so extension=interbase.so extension=ldap.so extension=mbstring.so extension=mcrypt.so extension=mssql.so extension=mysql.so extension=mysqli.so extension=odbc.so extension=openssl.so extension=pcntl.so extension=pdo_dblib.so extension=pdo_firebird.so extension=pdo_odbc.so extension=pdo_pgsql.so extension=pgsql.so extension=readline.so extension=redis.so extension=shmop.so extension=snmp.so extension=soap.so extension=sybase_ct.so extension=sysvmsg.so extension=sysvsem.so extension=sysvshm.so extension=tidy.so extension=wddx.so extension=xmlrpc.so extension=xsl.so extension=zip.so extension=zlib.so extension=recode.so extension=pdo.so extension=pdo_mysql.so extension=pdo_sqlite.so extension=imap.so extension=sockets.so extension=pspell.so extension=xml.so From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 23:13:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D2A9CF887 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x232.google.com (mail-wi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 840DC1920 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:13:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wicgb1 with SMTP id gb1so10308247wic.1 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=xlV3xWSQauY3s6L9/V827OE562+D66smCkU1wd6xI70=; b=PV+iukwq0FRrEVnu8Y1RVABgJBJFPD6fxojDa40IyAE53arTZV7RF1VdVJ6sO+HwD+ 9ut6Pd5adZdQ3whBjg8O/dD1kdq/+bId3emiQTJSFdbM2iF6pMKtgBCTNJgIYDb2ULo+ Wq5/1FfuIWimhEN2J8XEqjFclFApu79yDSEPvN+7Jhn334SZQlRaVK0c2iBhRN5KisPt wd8+2bDoENRcl6LQ8VTyZ3ANIigbYgM1kVn8/8Sk7ruBa3rpXQMDog8B16UKoK1K7jvB odT6pu3qj/W5ueEG687P/hk/spKhQtEGsmn+afBD609oxP6kz/wAMfQazO666352sRMV GNxw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.103.130 with SMTP id fw2mr3237415wjb.121.1442531626088; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:13:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55FB45B3.1050404@networktest.com> References: <55FB3859.2050101@networktest.com> <55FB45B3.1050404@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 18:13:46 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: PHP dumps core after upgrade From: Adam Vande More To: David Newman Cc: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:13:49 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Newman wrote: > On 9/17/15 3:17 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > > >> PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - > >> mssql_connect in Unknown on line 0 > >> > > > > /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini should not contain duplicate entries. > > Sorry, but it may be something else as well. This file had one duplicate > -- for mysqli.so -- but the system still dumps core after removing the > dupe and rebooting. extensions.ini file contents below. > > Does extension order matter? > > Also, where else should I be looking? Thanks! > Probably a bad extension. Disable some and try again to isolate. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 23:23:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FD639CFEBA for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3382B1D6F for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 302B39CFEB9; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FBFD9CFEB8 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:23:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE93E1D6E for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8HNNl4D057177 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8HNNlFl057174; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:23:47 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:23:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:23:47 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:23:50 -0000 On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > But selecting logout in the menu drops XFCE as it should, but it drops to a completely blank screen with nothing paying any attention at mouse or screen. I tried ctl-n, ctl-alt-n, and just alt-n. Nothing. Again, that is solved by using vt(4). Although I should ask which video hardware you have. Sorry if that has been mentioned already. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 23:38:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362CF9C2A81 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from mail5.networktest.com (mail5.networktest.com [204.109.60.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 153C31762 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dnewman@networktest.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D812F370271 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.networktest.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail5.networktest.com [127.0.0.1]) (maiad, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05117-01 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp138.eng.networktest.com (ns.networktest.com [12.20.174.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: dnewman@networktest.com) by mail5.networktest.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9DF2437026F for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: PHP dumps core after upgrade References: <55FB3859.2050101@networktest.com> <55FB45B3.1050404@networktest.com> Cc: FreeBSD Questions From: David Newman Message-ID: <55FB4F09.2000909@networktest.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 16:38:49 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:38:52 -0000 On 9/17/15 4:13 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 5:58 PM, David Newman > wrote: > > On 9/17/15 3:17 PM, Adam Vande More wrote: > > >> PHP Warning: Function registration failed - duplicate name - > >> mssql_connect in Unknown on line 0 > >> > > > > /usr/local/etc/php/extensions.ini should not contain duplicate entries. > > Sorry, but it may be something else as well. This file had one duplicate > -- for mysqli.so -- but the system still dumps core after removing the > dupe and rebooting. extensions.ini file contents below. > > Does extension order matter? > > Also, where else should I be looking? Thanks! > > > Probably a bad extension. Disable some and try again to isolate. Bingo! All the errors were related to the php56-mssql module. Disabling that module did the trick. Many thanks! dn > > > > -- > Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 00:11:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FF349CEF1D for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC4B1832 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:11:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0C6D19CEF1C; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E661A9CEF1B for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:11:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22e.google.com (mail-wi0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F32A1831 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:11:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so44013613wic.0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:11:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=QTtGkKme2CCMN1iZ0V2D/yLleQgNAezkgx5FCAOkLlI=; b=DDobZP6KPO3iMpnYQ07DxfLO+T56VtvJLwLsWiAfirNrudPxZM1P0fu8YYLIRpt5g2 RkCv/n+A5Nn/biOc8Jys0O1l+LRVhs3PqgNwyVjnxRU00Jst8q0Gc/HPQFepV9rEliSt /0V6ph2L9/pD8hCSBwLCIoeIpqo3mFTbCPA1VPZZgpOEXSQwv/3kiNIeo59Av6gq/mS4 A+q+ZEniEx74wRkbc7AKviZd13gXzzARFXGuutmVyW3LJlyYhBINlUv9iBh9FZ0QSKq3 MZoy+pSE0EUu+pMTpGizFELebb14L8+UgAheSMHXeuG88j8DTzYoskZ2xe2NPNoPLuz3 pXvQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.101.198 with SMTP id fi6mr12883431wib.25.1442535115061; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.16.231 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:11:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:11:54 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Adam Vande More To: Glenn English Cc: freebsdQuestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:11:57 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Glenn English wrote: > Does anyone know of an accurate set of instructions on the 'Net for a BSD > install. > The 4 cmd Desktop Environment example: Start w/ a clean FreeBSD Vbox guest w/ a user added who is also in the wheel group: Add to the following to the indicated files: ## /etc/fstab proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 ## /etc/rc.conf kdm4_enable="YES" dbus_enable="YES" hald_enable="YES" vboxguest_enable="YES" vboxservice_enable="YES" ## /etc/sysctl.conf kern.ipc.shmall=32768 kern.ipc.shmmni=1024 kern.ipc.shmseg=1024 # pkg install -y xorg x11/kde4 virtualbox-ose-additions && shutdown -r now Login as the non-root user. A bare metal install can omit the vbox sections and even this minimal example includes more than is needed. -- Adam From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 00:41:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C145C9CFC9A for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8408A125B for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:43118] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id A7/F8-06235-76D5BF55; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:40:07 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.53] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Zcjig-0005zj-Ta for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:40:06 -0400 Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> From: Baho Utot Message-ID: <55FB5D66.2040000@columbus.rr.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:40:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 00:41:20 -0000 On 09/17/15 18:28, Glenn English wrote: [putolin] > But selecting logout in the menu drops XFCE as it should, but it > drops to a completely blank screen with nothing paying any attention > at mouse or screen. I tried ctl-n, ctl-alt-n, and just alt-n. Nothing. I had the same trouble as you when I starting to use FreeBSD. I use ATI graphics card and I had big trouble like you do, I fixed it as follows: Break out a text editor in a CLI (vi etc). I use vim-lite install by pkg. Try adding this to /boot/loader.conf vim /boot/loader.conf # Use new graphical console driver kern.vty=vt save and exit. Then reboot and see if it fixes your trouble. > I can't even get a thumb-drive mounted. When I put one in, there's text saying that da0 and da0s1 have been noticed. > If I type 'mount /dev/da0 /mnt', it says that /dev/da0 is an invalid param (or something like that). So I tried 'mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt'. Same error message. I looked at man, and it looked like a -t was what it was looking for, so I added -t msdosfs to the command IIRC, I got a different error message, but it didn't mount. I am running 10.1 and 10.2. The above is caused by /dev/da0s1 already mounted. ( At least in my neck of the woods ) as root in a CLI...... # mount Look for da0s1 as already mounted. If if is mounted # umount /dev/da0s1 Then try to mount it again to /mnt # mount /dev/da0s1 /mnt see if that works for you > > I don't have a problem with things being different, but the documentation on how to get this stuff working requires that I have it working to read the dox. > > Does anyone know of an accurate set of instructions on the 'Net for a BSD install. Is there anything that really need editing after a really basic install (the one I just did had to download pkg when I tried to get xorg installed :-) > > This is getting frustrating. I know been there and done that. Keep going and you will slay that beast. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 01:21:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 668829CD2B7 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 01:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD0617A7 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 01:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4D2D69CD2B6; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 01:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB8C9CD2B5 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 01:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C96517A5 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 01:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id EF51B2C08F0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:21:27 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:21:11 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 01:21:29 -0000 On Sep 17, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: > Again, that is solved by using vt(4). Although I should ask which = video hardware you have. Sorry if that has been mentioned already. No, it hasn't. Here's lspci: > root@log:~/init.d# lspci > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub to ESI = Port (rev 22) > 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI = Express Root Port 1 (rev 22) > 00:03.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI = Express Root Port 3 (rev 22) > 00:07.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub PCI = Express Root Port 7 (rev 22) > 00:14.0 PIC: Intel Corporation 7500/5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub System = Management Registers (rev 22) > 00:14.1 PIC: Intel Corporation 7500/5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub GPIO and = Scratch Pad Registers (rev 22) > 00:14.2 PIC: Intel Corporation 7500/5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub Control = Status and RAS Registers (rev 22) > 00:14.3 PIC: Intel Corporation 7500/5520/5500/X58 I/O Hub Throttle = Registers (rev 22) > 00:16.0 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:16.1 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:16.2 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:16.3 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:16.4 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:16.5 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:16.6 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:16.7 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 5520/5500/X58 Chipset = QuickData Technology Device (rev 22) > 00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB = UHCI Controller #4 > 00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB = UHCI Controller #5 > 00:1a.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB = UHCI Controller #6 > 00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB2 = EHCI Controller #2 > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD = Audio Controller > 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI = Express Root Port 1 > 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI = Express Root Port 5 > 00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) PCI = Express Root Port 6 > 00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB = UHCI Controller #1 > 00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB = UHCI Controller #2 > 00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB = UHCI Controller #3 > 00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) USB2 = EHCI Controller #1 > 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 90) > 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801JIR (ICH10R) LPC Interface = Controller > 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port = SATA IDE Controller #1 > 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) SMBus = Controller > 00:1f.5 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 2 port = SATA IDE Controller #2 > 01:00.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6702PXH PCI Express-to-PCI = Bridge A (rev 09) > 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee = ATI Robson CE [AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series] > 03:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar HDMI = Audio [Radeon HD 5400/6300 Series] > 06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network = Connection > 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network = Connection > 08:08.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB22A = IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) [iOHCI-Lynx] > ff:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series QuickPath = Architecture Generic Non-core Registers (rev 02) > ff:00.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series QuickPath = Architecture System Address Decoder (rev 02) > ff:02.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series QPI Link 0 = (rev 02) > ff:02.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series QPI Physical 0 = (rev 02) > ff:02.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Mirror Port = Link 0 (rev 02) > ff:02.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Mirror Port = Link 1 (rev 02) > ff:02.4 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series QPI Link 1 = (rev 02) > ff:02.5 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series QPI Physical 1 = (rev 02) > ff:03.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Registers (rev 02) > ff:03.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Target Address Decoder (rev 02) > ff:03.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller RAS Registers (rev 02) > ff:03.4 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Test Registers (rev 02) > ff:04.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 0 Control (rev 02) > ff:04.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 0 Address (rev 02) > ff:04.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 0 Rank (rev 02) > ff:04.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 0 Thermal Control (rev 02) > ff:05.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 1 Control (rev 02) > ff:05.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 1 Address (rev 02) > ff:05.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 1 Rank (rev 02) > ff:05.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 1 Thermal Control (rev 02) > ff:06.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 2 Control (rev 02) > ff:06.1 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 2 Address (rev 02) > ff:06.2 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 2 Rank (rev 02) > ff:06.3 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated = Memory Controller Channel 2 Thermal Control (rev 02) And: > root@log:~/init.d# lspci | egrep -i radeon > 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee = ATI Robson CE [AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series] > 03:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar HDMI = Audio [Radeon HD 5400/6300 Series] Is that an the answer? And what is vt(4)? --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 02:48:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937869CFE24 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7512215BE for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 727C39CFE23; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7208A9CFE21 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:48:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FCA415BD for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:48:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8I2m9xX007620 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8I2m6QH007516; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:48:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:48:06 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:48:09 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 02:48:11 -0000 On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > On Sep 17, 2015, at 5:23 PM, Warren Block wrote: > >> Again, that is solved by using vt(4). Although I should ask which video hardware you have. Sorry if that has been mentioned already. > >> root@log:~/init.d# lspci | egrep -i radeon >> 03:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Robson CE [AMD Radeon HD 6300 Series] >> 03:00.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Cedar HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5400/6300 Series] > > Is that an the answer? Yes, although around these parts we tend to use pciconf -lv. You have an AMD Radeon HD6300. > And what is vt(4)? vt(4) is the KMS-aware system console. To use it, enter kern.vty=vt in /boot/loader.conf. It will take effect on boot. The problem of leaving X and having the screen stop responding is due to the old system console not understanding kernel video mode switching. vt(4) is the new console. See 'man 4 vt' for more information. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 03:20:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9BB9CD0C9; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x22d.google.com (mail-ig0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B4601840; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grarpamp@gmail.com) Received: by igcrk20 with SMTP id rk20so9500921igc.1; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:20:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=HLayvmVNaZjulOHgmfRsM4ukEN5f2xFpR39AKK65cQw=; b=MfRQTJSRSLzIcqAN40oEyH5ZkozHkXjMK1olmXLb7ytIcDMslGDCoSVDnfQou6mTQg daHkTTTQFCY3PEMRyzshQTe2bFJRk2wB6Yi9/LggKn/wfoBPuD4a3Ruar/LGkOiJo69T ziuGKHsdCT0aQ8DsNWvwSYWXhlbbAbe34Uovm8ZTCU2fDv5WYBfDM5nAhds9GOcQbZKN 0XVqLWpMzkG9b77O5/MoGTDpW3bdBEJ71rbFku90ROtUIOWE2eB88n8UsRsv+biH5+V3 RbIIZEjfeW1dZMXL/tBl0Y+/BRbh2JU4SoiV+yZLLknyZXu++yJ4WO6UAuxVPEpzPKz5 /mfQ== X-Received: by 10.50.62.112 with SMTP id x16mr29979773igr.23.1442546450511; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:20:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.77.77 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 20:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: grarpamp Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:20:31 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:20:51 -0000 Is there some reason "freebsd.org" and all it's subdomains don't immediately 302 over to https foreverafter? Same goes for use of svn, which has no native signable hashed commit graph, as freebsd's canonical repo... instead of git which does. Not to mention the irreproducible builds / pkgs / ISO's. These days these flaws are more than a bit ridiculous, especially for an OS, which by definition [excepting the hardware] should be your root of trust. Can we get a wiki project page and some traction on this? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 03:21:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5709CD1C3 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33096198C for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C69D7883; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:21:37 +0700 (ICT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cs.ait.ac.th; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received:received :received; s=selector1; t=1442546496; x=1444360897; bh=MovkC+qK4 vDX0vUztUx9CA1jC+9BCHS0jWc4duIO29Q=; b=i2/Yk0nehRK163N4SXGQ+oHOB SKcR/zCmskKDcLqWe6vwpJHqBW0N9wLbibYmezQ2gY5vVwq6JB/kpuO3u4ErW+oB ITLjX0NpkOhJQChbrSkYsTDK7JKQnZvKBrYMvMV8STnXETzy38Dg1tqxjjXu5o6D Wll0ANUcIcUGQ8mq6s= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.ait.ac.th Received: from mail.cs.ait.ac.th ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (mail.cs.ait.ac.th [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 7f4yUZWy4VSg; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:21:36 +0700 (ICT) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.cs.ait.ac.th (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BFC5D7881; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:21:36 +0700 (ICT) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id t8I3LZ3N012070; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:21:35 +0700 (ICT) (envelope-from on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th) From: Olivier Nicole To: Bernard Higonnet Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Constantly running out of swap space In-Reply-To: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> (message from Bernard Higonnet on Thu, 17 Sep 2015 19:56:52 +0200) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:21:34 +0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:21:42 -0000 Bernard Higonnet writes: > Using FreeBSD 10.2 > > I'm using a swap file set up as described at > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html > > No matter what size I make it (last time 4GB) I run out of swap space on > a VPS with 768KB RAM. Space is being used by amavisd/clamd which is > apparently notorious space hungry, but it's clear to me there's a > problem somewhere. Everything works OK for a while (a few hours? on a > system with very little traffic (100 emails a day...)) and then runs out > of space. I am running amavisd/clamd on a machine, I gave it 4GB RAM and it still swap from time to time. Amavis, one master, two children, each are almost 500MB clamd, almost 500MB See: last pid: 70640; load averages: 0.16, 0.16, 0.17 up 8+16:01:29 10:19:16 89 processes: 1 running, 88 sleeping CPU: 0.0% user, 0.0% nice, 1.5% system, 0.0% interrupt, 98.5% idle Mem: 838M Active, 2148M Inact, 640M Wired, 68M Cache, 409M Buf, 248M Free Swap: 8192M Total, 119M Used, 8073M Free, 1% Inuse PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU COMMAND 68717 kluser 1 35 0 469M 298M lockf 2 0:46 0.00% perl 68444 kluser 1 20 0 469M 297M select 0 0:52 0.00% perl 759 kluser 2 20 0 443M 319M select 0 12:12 0.00% clamd 64665 kluser 1 20 0 435M 269M select 3 0:34 0.00% perl 643 root 1 20 0 270M 1112K select 0 0:03 0.00% rpc.statd 70386 root 1 20 0 249M 239M select 0 0:14 0.00% avs 953 root 1 20 0 247M 238M select 0 80:33 0.00% avs 662 root 1 20 0 105M 4444K select 1 6:57 0.00% vmtoolsd 741 postgrey 1 20 0 103M 9884K select 1 1:00 0.00% perl 70471 on 1 25 0 99900K 8324K select 2 0:00 0.00% sshd 70468 root 1 22 0 99900K 8256K select 3 0:00 0.00% sshd The 3 first perl processes are amavis. In your case, you could try to configure asmavis to not spawn any child (is it even possible), for 100 mails per day, it is plenty enough. But even that and clamd, you are already above 1GB. By the way, you write 768KB of RAM, do you mean 768MB? Bests, Olivier > I assume amavisd/clamd are not using swap space explicitly and the OS > decides on is own that swap space is needed. > > Any suggestions? > > TIA > Bernard Higonnet > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 03:54:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF069CE346 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57721805 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id D320E9CE345; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:54:05 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BD89CE344 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B444C1804 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:54:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id C4D722C0705 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:53:49 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 03:54:06 -0000 On Sep 17, 2015, at 8:48 PM, Warren Block wrote: Well, glory halleluia. Warren and/or Adam solved my problem. Massive = thanks to both of you. FreeBSD is an amazingly helpful place. XFCE does what I expect it to, with root or me logged in to it. These fixes seem to have cured another very annoying problem: it used to = start up with a screen full of flickering green noise, unless I waited = 15 seconds after a shutdown before booting. I must say, though, that what I entered into those config files could = have been Plato's Greek to me. I think I may have a little reading to do = -- I remember how Linux was complete gibberish to me 10 or 15 years ago. I've got what I think is a first edition of the Handbook and the book on = the FreeBSD kernel. Is there a more recent release (on dead trees) of = the Handbook? I've got the 10.2 on my disk, and I spent a lot of time = this afternoon printing parts of it (I do better reading paper). While I've got you on the phone, is it reasonable to try to use an RME = Hammerfall sound card on FreeBSD? I can't find much about it on the net, = except for a picture (and no text) of Beastie on one of the RME pages. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 05:02:21 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371809CD5A9 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D9B919F4 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 1CD009CD5A8; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C62A9CD5A7 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:02:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F316E19F3 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:02:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 592DF2C08F0 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:02:20 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:02:04 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1C3BBA2E-E6B1-45D7-86B8-088BE05BEEAB@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 05:02:21 -0000 On Sep 17, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Glenn English wrote: > I've got what I think is a first edition of the Handbook and the book = on the FreeBSD kernel. Is there a more recent release (on dead trees) of = the Handbook? I've got the 10.2 on my disk, and I spent a lot of time = this afternoon printing parts of it (I do better reading paper). Never mind. I found the FreeBSD Mall... --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:10:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0610B9CE01C; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [198.71.6.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7565E110B; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:10:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from nber4.nber.org (nber4.nber.org [198.71.6.74]) by mail2.nber.org (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id t8IBjTjD090576 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:45:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: grarpamp cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (LRH 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20140401 #7726142, check: 20150918 clean X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:10:51 -0000 On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, grarpamp wrote: > Is there some reason "freebsd.org" and all it's > subdomains don't immediately 302 over to > https foreverafter? Is there a reason to encrypt something that is completely public? Perhaps to allow the visitor to conceal the fact that they are interested in FreeBSD? That won't work, since the IP address of the server can't be encrypted. I feel like I am missing something. dan feenberg From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:17:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 660E89CE478 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from shopzeus.com (shopzeus.com [87.229.70.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F76013D5 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:17:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [127.127.127.127] (localhost [127.127.127.127]) (Authenticated sender: gandalf) by shopzeus.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7F61889B80B for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:08:26 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: =?UTF-8?Q?Nagy_L=c3=a1szl=c3=b3_Zsolt?= Subject: Cannot start opendkim Message-ID: <55FBFEB6.3000909@shopzeus.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:08:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:17:55 -0000 # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/milter-opendkim start Starting milteropendkim. opendkim: /usr/local/etc/opendkim/opendkim.conf: configuration error at line 20: unrecognized parameter /usr/local/etc/rc.d/milter-opendkim: WARNING: failed to start milteropendkim Line 20 is this: KeyTable /usr/local/etc/opendkim/dkim-keytable What is wrong here? Opendkim version: 2.9.2_6 OS version: 10.2-RELEASE-p2 Thanks, Laszlo P.s.: here is my complete /usr/local/etc/opendkim/opendkim.conf: Syslog yes SyslogSuccess yes LogWhy yes UMask 002 KeyFile /usr/local/etc/opendkim/keys/not_telling.key.pem Selector shopzeus_com OversignHeaders From AutoRestart yes Background yes Canonicalization relaxed/relaxed DNSTimeout 5 Mode sv SignatureAlgorithm rsa-sha256 SubDomains no Statistics /var/log/opendkim/dkim-stats KeyTable /usr/local/etc/opendkim/dkim-keytable SigningTable refile:/usr/local/etc/opendkim/dkim-signingtable ExternalIgnoreList refile:/usr/local/etc/opendkim/TrustedHosts InternalHosts refile:/usr/local/etc/opendkim/TrustedHosts SOCKET inet:8891@localhost Permissions: chown -R mailnull:mailnull /usr/local/etc/opendkim chmod 0700 /usr/local/etc/opendkim chmod 0660 /usr/local/etc/opendkim/* chmod 0700 /usr/local/etc/opendkim/keys chmod 0660 /usr/local/etc/opendkim/keys/*.pem rc.conf variables: milteropendkim_enable="YES" milteropendkim_cfgfile="/usr/local/etc/opendkim/opendkim.conf" milteropendkim_uid="mailnull" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:21:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 244969CE801 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:21:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE81E1833 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E22B52094F for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:21:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=no8RDh/MLCBHfuf WJRkCxD2kFlE=; b=PmttRXE27dSz0zuKqx7Fu8oet7NDNudHW6kNKfp3kmb99GL BCBOldMq3ZEFOo8Y/bLbXUR8vQ1uAytfPuwinrVxrLKdZBRuRbC+RPDsM5mS9mKv YttFM36Ch05rZIZ+DH0InJvZ7desX/2a8VB52svGvX2uiT/ZnvRW6VNCa1mc= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id BE09410CD69; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: Yqbv6rL/6rf1N7JxT+j0B4NoAd3RXIlDbU6tV5sE9lMv 1442578892 From: Mark Felder To: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-e92f8263 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:21:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:21:34 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2015, at 22:20, grarpamp wrote: > Is there some reason "freebsd.org" and all it's > subdomains don't immediately 302 over to > https foreverafter? > What good does https on freebsd.org provide except checking a box that some people are obsessed about right now? You're adding another layer of complexity. The front page, documentation, handbooks, etc are not sensitive data. There are two different opinions on this matter throughout the project: * Encrypt all the things * Encrypt what is necessary If FreeBSD is visibly penalized by Google in the future for not hosting on https it might be worth doing. > Same goes for use of svn, which has no native > signable hashed commit graph, as freebsd's > canonical repo... instead of git which does. > svn is available over https > Not to mention the irreproducible builds / pkgs / ISO's. > Nobody is doing this successfully yet. Last I checked Debian is closest. But keep in mind this is not a security feature, it's debugging feature. You still need to solve backdoored compilers ("use this new double compiler method!" OK...) and then you need to solve backdoored hardware. > These days these flaws are more than a bit ridiculous, > especially for an OS, which by definition [excepting > the hardware] should be your root of trust. > > Can we get a wiki project page and some traction on this? > Thanks. > https://wiki.freebsd.org/ReproducibleBuilds -- Mark Felder ports-secteam member feld@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:28:35 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A5A9CEBD0 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39A011B86 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from zero-gravitas.local (no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id t8ICSLI6021672 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:28:28 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t8ICSLI6021672 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t8ICSLI6021672; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host no-reverse-dns.metronet-uk.com [85.199.232.226] (may be forged) claimed to be zero-gravitas.local Subject: Re: Cannot start opendkim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55FBFEB6.3000909@shopzeus.com> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <55FC0361.6030706@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:28:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55FBFEB6.3000909@shopzeus.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Rpsr3m5lN8MFxsCrQvwSOht1lW1NFPcIU" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:28:35 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Rpsr3m5lN8MFxsCrQvwSOht1lW1NFPcIU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015/09/18 13:08, Nagy L=E1szl=F3 Zsolt wrote: > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/milter-opendkim start > Starting milteropendkim. > opendkim: /usr/local/etc/opendkim/opendkim.conf: configuration error at= > line 20: unrecognized parameter > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/milter-opendkim: WARNING: failed to start > milteropendkim >=20 >=20 > Line 20 is this: >=20 > KeyTable /usr/local/etc/opendkim/dkim-keytable >=20 >=20 > What is wrong here? >=20 > Opendkim version: 2.9.2_6 > OS version: 10.2-RELEASE-p2 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Laszlo >=20 > P.s.: here is my complete /usr/local/etc/opendkim/opendkim.conf: >=20 >=20 > Syslog yes > SyslogSuccess yes > LogWhy yes > UMask 002 > KeyFile /usr/local/etc/opendkim/keys/not_telling.key.pem > Selector shopzeus_com > OversignHeaders From > AutoRestart yes > Background yes > Canonicalization relaxed/relaxed > DNSTimeout 5 > Mode sv > SignatureAlgorithm rsa-sha256 > SubDomains no > Statistics /var/log/opendkim/dkim-stats > KeyTable /usr/local/etc/opendkim/dkim-keytable > SigningTable refile:/usr/local/etc/opendkim/dkim-signingtable > ExternalIgnoreList refile:/usr/local/etc/opendkim/TrustedHosts > InternalHosts refile:/usr/local/etc/opendkim/TrustedHosts >=20 > SOCKET inet:8891@localhost >=20 > Permissions: >=20 > chown -R mailnull:mailnull /usr/local/etc/opendkim > chmod 0700 /usr/local/etc/opendkim > chmod 0660 /usr/local/etc/opendkim/* > chmod 0700 /usr/local/etc/opendkim/keys > chmod 0660 /usr/local/etc/opendkim/keys/*.pem >=20 > rc.conf variables: >=20 > milteropendkim_enable=3D"YES" > milteropendkim_cfgfile=3D"/usr/local/etc/opendkim/opendkim.conf" > milteropendkim_uid=3D"mailnull" As I recall, you can't specify both KeyFile and KeyTable in the same configuration. Cheers, Matthew --Rpsr3m5lN8MFxsCrQvwSOht1lW1NFPcIU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJV/ANnXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQxOUYxNTRFQ0JGMTEyRTUwNTQ0RTNGMzAw MDUxM0YxMEUwQTlFNEU3AAoJEABRPxDgqeTnHbsQAKdl6AdaUfkmjy2bT1R1tPM1 YQoXgVjkHBeudmUJ+wT7TfI2arqEn9/4si/0gepLzqjJIxa06tUxJmfKsrfiVxR4 oChIYqkDnXajm5kQWSi9MxhCXPerWsQevJwg8yf/6EAk4m04db4U1V25Y55RHHh9 BOG3PCXcZg9y23nRsVeUWfgeuQMZpboUi6QZ13iTl3YOY8GTuYMHC1vpRw78vN42 Piygm60OmKZ5vetwdlzx5UGnGnNBQTQN4fb+sYBdFfeQhpAc3xLL/Z92WAfl5ZTq RmFx1hXfzI+YuR+uGKIug8EVSHNvkCAv8BTiEhp3rBhqJCe5PxqfUefXFWOMYRdI DKjij8ZEB6DtZ6HFplvEJYXTQX/Z4Ilwa+Oaf3OwmQ9C0Gr4s1UnCw/bxoQN3Dmv b5bGqsBR27/dhSif/EEIZvJlKmu3gxuBvs093Jd5fo1qZ0d6XZYJ92mAQhuN6VTV YNqDIskEeNJiqiTEQQ2pl52vWeDqwnoYrZ5VMoHSUpd6Xsls7SIVesFwMnpex0i7 vZnMFE1LO6uwxtx+QBXH0y56Axgvhyq1AhqflNDR/AiGy7KGJ1jW2V2XGJt9Y7jX B2slkphr14YrojZ2QG5prkoe/FglTcQrAqpVMFDtulIfR1CAJ6FCVNMj7OXQlT9A HV3qZMh3mgn4phRwSjuf =XfM7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Rpsr3m5lN8MFxsCrQvwSOht1lW1NFPcIU-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:31:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C0C9CEF15 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:31:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from shopzeus.com (shopzeus.com [87.229.70.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 584A91E8C for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:31:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gandalf@shopzeus.com) Received: from [127.127.127.127] (localhost [127.127.127.127]) (Authenticated sender: gandalf) by shopzeus.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26BF1889B800 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Cannot start opendkim To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55FBFEB6.3000909@shopzeus.com> <55FC0361.6030706@FreeBSD.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Nagy_L=c3=a1szl=c3=b3_Zsolt?= Message-ID: <55FC0430.8030505@shopzeus.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:31:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55FC0361.6030706@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:31:50 -0000 > As I recall, you can't specify both KeyFile and KeyTable in the same > configuration. Commented KeyFile and Selector, but still have the same problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:32:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3169CEF8A for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B12D21F58 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:32:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D73BC202BB for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:32:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=9rhYKVyvMR6HRbC jUzsqEsCtoNo=; b=et2vVRULAQaW+FGFA1ImCnv6ZUsLZqVh1bV1xMgKMmVhUiI it7mNS389cPgRFC4ui1Tb6AbYwDYdSaTU/CVp5O53n9M6cvFm5I43Vcr/63aQDeK rEW4heHaoCwRkZvfxaa0ZScBfPk+4qDxfZJazgfO+K9OjIzceC/b8DcSv1IU= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id B43BD10E689; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: 5Kd/tGRXqmHtF0yl1Q7fdQJWqLC9cxhIrV4ZCgIXtgRP 1442579551 From: Mark Felder To: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-e92f8263 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:32:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:32:33 -0000 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 07:21, Mark Felder wrote: > > > Same goes for use of svn, which has no native > > signable hashed commit graph, as freebsd's > > canonical repo... instead of git which does. > > > > svn is available over https > I got caught up in the https discussion and didn't cover this properly. No, I don't think we're going to use git any time soon. There's an official mirror here, though: https://github.com/freebsd/ -- Mark Felder ports-secteam member feld@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:47:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5589CD835 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A45F183B for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 624B33F797 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55FC07F2.1060100@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:47:46 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:47:54 -0000 > Is there a reason to encrypt something that is completely public? MitM attacks. SSL would go a long way towards ensuring that when you go to a website you're seeing the real website and not something that silently redirects you to compromised files or targeted misinformation. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:51:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD929CDAA8; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:51:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from phk.freebsd.dk (phk.freebsd.dk [130.225.244.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51541BD3; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (unknown [192.168.48.2]) by phk.freebsd.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105783BB88; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t8ICp0Gf003048; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:51:00 GMT (envelope-from phk@phk.freebsd.dk) To: Mark Felder cc: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds In-reply-to: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3046.1442580660.1@critter.freebsd.dk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:51:00 +0000 Message-ID: <3047.1442580660@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:51:08 -0000 -------- In message <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.= com>, Mark Felder writes: >There are two different opinions on this matter throughout the project: > >* Encrypt all the things >* Encrypt what is necessary I can recommend the book "Command & Control" as a very interesting introduction to the value of "proportional response defense". The War On Privacy will not be won by putting HTTP on totally public information like FreeBSD.org, it is a political issue.. The only way to win political issues, is to engage in politics. That means voting for the right politicians. If no candidates are suitable, inspire people to become candidates. If that fails too: Become a candidate yourself. If you feel you have more important things to do than engange in politics, then you will have to live with the consequences. -- = Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe = Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence= . From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 12:57:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3890E9CDF4A; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:57:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002231E88; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:57:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from nine.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2963848A; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nine.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B061F8303; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:49:02 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: grarpamp Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:49:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: (grarpamp@gmail.com's message of "Thu, 17 Sep 2015 23:20:31 -0400") Message-ID: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:57:59 -0000 grarpamp writes: > Not to mention the irreproducible builds / pkgs / ISO's. The base system build is 99% reproducible. ISOs should be reproducible as well, modulo timestamps. Reproducible packages are extremely difficult to get right. Baptiste spent a lot of time and effort trying to get them to work before the official switch to pkgng. Many packages compile the build host's name and / or the current date and time into various binaries. Python stores the timestamp of the original .py file into the .pyc file and will attempt to recompile it if that timestamp does not match or the .py file's mtime is equal to or greater than the .pyc file's mtime. Emacs does similar shenanigans with .el and .elc files. > These days these flaws are more than a bit ridiculous, You seem to be implying that everybody else is doing it except us. This is not true. Debian and Fedora are or have been working on it but with no success to date. > Can we get a wiki project page and some traction on this? https://wiki.freebsd.org/ReproducibleBuilds https://wiki.freebsd.org/PortsReproducibleBuilds Are you volunteering? DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 13:33:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8349CF357 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:33:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39561184 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id F304C9CF352; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A1F9CF351 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AED3B1181 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:33:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8IDXAe6069257 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8IDXAUa069254; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:33:10 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:33:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:33:11 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:33:13 -0000 On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > > I've got what I think is a first edition of the Handbook and the book > on the FreeBSD kernel. Is there a more recent release (on dead trees) > of the Handbook? I've got the 10.2 on my disk, and I spent a lot of > time this afternoon printing parts of it (I do better reading paper). There is a second edition of the Handbook, but it is also pretty old now. The current version of the Handbook has had many updates and additions. Besides the HTML version, there are PDF and other versions that are updated frequently: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 13:41:53 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBC09CF988; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:41:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Daniel@Plominski.eu) Received: from root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu (root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu [IPv6:2a01:4f8:a0:4283::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu", Issuer "StartCom Class 2 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7791177B; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Daniel@Plominski.eu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A416AE007A; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:41:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu Received: from root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FMNv31ls0a5M; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:41:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from MacBook1-PLITC.local (public-gprs351091.centertel.pl [37.47.2.180]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: daniel@plominski.eu) by root1-rz1-hetzner.plitc.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBBB9AE0074; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:41:45 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <55FC1498.7090902@Plominski.eu> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:41:44 +0200 From: "Daniel DP. Plominski" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:41:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 well, encryption does not cost much, most mobile devices are now fast enough for IP obfuscation there vpn providers or anonymity networks like Tor you should look for "when leaken metadata", customized Firefox versionslike the "torbundle" package or FreeBSD features such as: disabled tcp timpstamp, activated net.inet.ip.stealth etc. may be that the most information are not critical of freebsd.org on a page about political commitment, however, twice what you click on in the post snowden/nsa area, i think it is not heard now de rigueur, but should be compulsory best regards Daniel Plominski Am 18/09/15 um 14:32 schrieb Mark Felder: > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 07:21, Mark Felder wrote: >> >>> Same goes for use of svn, which has no native >>> signable hashed commit graph, as freebsd's >>> canonical repo... instead of git which does. >>> >> >> svn is available over https >> > > I got caught up in the https discussion and didn't cover this properly. > > No, I don't think we're going to use git any time soon. There's an > official mirror here, though: > > https://github.com/freebsd/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJV/BSXAAoJEHqkZNWiQao7eLcQALn2BmgWR+GIA61OKzBnO3xQ RKSXyJDONYhiQRG53TEmukFxfOuW4nzsWCpu4Qb+OEr+DdvbujDH+9CpzvF3CkNW iw9WfSsmtjGMpfDQU27o6+QMSJfXgNGel3iPYYr+uYwpUXks0AS+FAFQJ3vr9G/N 5jKTj0UJJvplqRc/eaRuRREfxlWL5pC8ngEILs2Wk+B54+0L3jpk9pbOO5aLkFPE F99CFSWLkx2hI6plXMHO4pwfoBXn4satcUp41flHmPTLPO9HKdfi+RaT9bfE7Apb iSQ06dGE16uGWj75/+Mv6Dt5DpIX1iKgodvGsizl2H5xviuIgKpMN9d/wMLAdKBu UGbvGgLaSlcFjwVTkN5hV5WtlpG1LHctQF3oU7iWnvZklYIPvwLUXpUp0sKrqsvi zlHywQwR7Ym3n4icRrE+l38HdZDnVAmw6DLuqTKCdXp1K4/oNywArZh9A8btX+1W i1Qz5odpqI1fiC6qXzU13ymaOTkRN1oeyuDpwjoIrLe24/kJRfIyGu91ptn4OmVC JS+XAQ1NGgFVXTvSO1HfyR5P304BvqRUxr3MK7d8iba5fIgAg5cPqicSQC1A/F5D At1+38mRtSxy7De9jHwfbEndi/sDO+gUJwfV/2KaAW4lrf7nGt727tBesBveVysk 6Jsj+nHsBKp02hkB9R4p =1Yo9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 13:46:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468E29CFC36 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:46:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D5471C2F for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:46:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB08E205DC for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:46:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=YawOa/k/ym6V7wN 8W39Drro9l9Y=; b=U0kfHwjwSWJflT5u5UhlaHawPfJeJJ/K3onuemVHJSRqk8p foa6LnsJEyHvl4NIF8Ygh5StZjUYSrtSxgYsNLcY6PFfsBzEeBWfKJPeEuzFD369 IbmoX5zKu9VqSW4zu4IYp/EL4k3M9Fbvy2tD9PD9hmNOVhzxAKKjYE4lT90M= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 95A3F110174; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1442583989.1830421.387287001.4BC94C0A@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: T8zUU3LSMxIHxUwjHqA3CMr1NI/DbmkiS4K7pxRb+Rzs 1442583989 From: Mark Felder To: Quartz , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-e92f8263 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:46:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: <55FC07F2.1060100@sneakertech.com> References: <55FC07F2.1060100@sneakertech.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:46:31 -0000 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 07:47, Quartz wrote: > > Is there a reason to encrypt something that is completely public? > > MitM attacks. SSL would go a long way towards ensuring that when you go > to a website you're seeing the real website and not something that > silently redirects you to compromised files or targeted misinformation. > This is a common misconception. How do you programmatically prove you're not victim of an SSL MITM? You have to trust your installed CA Roots and any of those could have issued a FreeBSD.org certificate. DNSSEC helps[1] prove you're reaching the right IP, but they could be doing a transparent MITM or BGP hijacking. Additionally, there is no desktop browser natively supporting DANE yet, and you probably will never find it in text browsers like lynx. The key distinction is that SSL provides encryption, not identification. Proving identification is much more difficult. Remember, if they can MITM your HTTP, they can MITM your HTTPS. The difficulty is only slightly higher; it's certainly within the reach of organized blackhat groups and easily achieved by state actors. [1] As long as you can trust that the DNSSEC root isn't compromised by the state... -- Mark Felder ports-secteam member feld@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 13:47:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD4D9CFC83; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8D6B1CDD; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A9A1726; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:47:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gjb@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:46:59 +0000 From: Glen Barber To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150918134659.GB28949@FreeBSD.org> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wq9mPyueHGvFACwf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT amd64 X-SCUD-Definition: Sudden Completely Unexpected Dataloss X-SULE-Definition: Sudden Unexpected Learning Event X-PEKBAC-Definition: Problem Exists, Keyboard Between Admin/Computer User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:47:02 -0000 --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 02:49:01PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > These days these flaws are more than a bit ridiculous, >=20 > You seem to be implying that everybody else is doing it except us. This > is not true. Debian and Fedora are or have been working on it but with > no success to date. >=20 In fact, Debian has been kind enough to even provide a page that shows which parts of the FreeBSD build are non-reproducible. https://reproducible.debian.net/freebsd/freebsd.html Glen --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJV/BXTAAoJEAMUWKVHj+KTtPMP/3HdUb/99vq3SVyMOSTsnmPv q70lCIjEC6xmTIazzl1Dh9pLn0nYwfvrHWDDS2ph3saAUZhPJKM7B1NH9fX+oe9S qPX/UlhddZKEf0UKCpk+Cl6xznpPp+3zd560y2VIO0WIEpwb0Ly3bDQ4YkqyZeKN wwTEN1QRX6/Gqa5apXdDhLb3iNCDykegIs8lyjTTtnEOHCr3hQjvC/Otgzoi2KVt EGmNIUo4J0C4zG4HRpLNjVhULpk2u6sUpCVECo1Ybs/a9KvFyf3+f0ifhfs7ANmd ncJWzPdhehYM8M6LEOmo+hDPio5zrvbYqpr1Uifkp3z8l2ytDugCedGaX2wF9Z77 nyBbYVeZ/FjtI2yYzWRdR/zN+pCmHkMGt7o6LMumRSA70K3H2g+bxYJDbE9TKKZ2 bVU103fxDy1sclHvfKwvKQrj4MnBHJYPLOse531M+AFYlIbfdD8RM6886T+hdo8i rEaCORJAQYyrQoFOQYSeC1JETiZT3Oy1/aETGa9gVhozp3bX7R2NIEMop/sViILZ Q+PSC5f0zpW8zzv+/3lKrwKMhRB5jTaX98NLYrzzCEv9BQFe/pmvRBvZY9fNwI/d sBObv4TTvf1D3LyqhARBBA/plqMDykdTZXDWzUYa6y/ETT32Rq7KqLL65EQ7xSQ5 2jvqDyhaVmGP+X/brZOk =ir38 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wq9mPyueHGvFACwf-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 13:48:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02DD9CFDAA; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B5EA1EB2; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Zcw1E-000DDL-MJ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:48:04 +0300 Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:48:04 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Dag-Erling =?koi8-r?Q?Smorgrav?= Cc: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:48:13 -0000 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 02:49:01PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > grarpamp writes: > > Not to mention the irreproducible builds / pkgs / ISO's. > > The base system build is 99% reproducible. ISOs should be reproducible > as well, modulo timestamps. freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 13:49:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DDE9CFE7D for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:49:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E343A1074 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:49:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A1A020419 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:49:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=SQeL5DSEe1b5FCA Vdtl+Nnp4LPA=; b=CU1LPahRiBHSMExDDG2Z/Zi0y+2YSXloK2PHyC5sFCFJGxa Y1ZDU51iiuR9ozMrMcTWx4FjQ1SWMPLPVaeU6bSHIccLFmM6EX73N/A4urUOzM6E PcecBWf+8bPCOqfOYaQb4JBvEAhCB8fzeYkUCKWn5HuJbp6R3+l/iQJ51QCk= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 09EC71102B0; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1442584141.1830757.387306425.5385D38E@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: Tmj+17bxlmLHRLjZgZBQlbGQAaCLr9Q7vZSu4rLrjqJZ 1442584141 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-e92f8263 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 08:49:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20150918134659.GB28949@FreeBSD.org> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134659.GB28949@FreeBSD.org> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:49:04 -0000 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 08:46, Glen Barber wrote: > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 02:49:01PM +0200, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > > > These days these flaws are more than a bit ridiculous, > >=20 > > You seem to be implying that everybody else is doing it except us. This > > is not true. Debian and Fedora are or have been working on it but with > > no success to date. > >=20 >=20 > In fact, Debian has been kind enough to even provide a page that shows > which parts of the FreeBSD build are non-reproducible. >=20 > https://reproducible.debian.net/freebsd/freebsd.html >=20 > Glen And I can't applaud them enough for taking initiative and reaching out. We're all in this together whether or not some people want to admit it. We just like a slightly different flavor of kool-aid. :-) --=20 Mark Felder ports-secteam member feld@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 13:53:45 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB0C9CE226; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7609614D9; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:53:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from nine.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9A58554; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nine.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B33AC830D; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:53:42 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Daniel Feenberg Cc: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:53:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Daniel Feenberg's message of "Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:45:29 -0400 (EDT)") Message-ID: <86r3lvdeah.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:53:45 -0000 Daniel Feenberg writes: > Is there a reason to encrypt something that is completely public? Watering hole attacks. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 14:00:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A1A9CE61B for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACC451B4B for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB53E204ED for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:00:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=lI0RxlkL3QRYF1I x3uaYAyWumOE=; b=ehp+u1e8/yaPx2fVCCCMpMt/HIEQ9JPfV+zk9Wm1aFVTwKu +MFE1YE7T1CFaF/IDrgL4j2x7+Cg2dpsHIS5tuh4bQPpiNUvLwpQbhENS+TMHi9X S/ixUSY7M8qF8V9rUi23lk0N94zxYxXrc+cYGaXcWc0D86pf1LL7uAjsfoQw= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id C3A0E11068E; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1442584818.1834563.387314497.1AD169D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: s94j5RhKUGXHIzOwejcRT3/Qcq3QnlJ5qXxFf1YdCIdp 1442584818 From: Mark Felder To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dag-Erling=20Sm=F8rgrav?= , Daniel Feenberg Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, grarpamp , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-e92f8263 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:00:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86r3lvdeah.fsf@nine.des.no> References: <86r3lvdeah.fsf@nine.des.no> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:00:19 -0000 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015, at 08:53, Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav wrote: > Daniel Feenberg writes: > > Is there a reason to encrypt something that is completely public? >=20 > Watering hole attacks. Watering hole attack describes the *site* being compromised because it's popular and you know the target(s) will go there. HTTPS is irrelevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watering_Hole --=20 Mark Felder ports-secteam member feld@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 14:03:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AB39CEB91; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FB731616; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:03:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8IE3Zbx019177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:03:36 -0500 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <55FC1498.7090902@Plominski.eu> From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55FC19B7.1010607@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:09:05 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55FC1498.7090902@Plominski.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:03:43 -0000 On 09/18/15 08:47, Daniel DP. Plominski wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > well, encryption does not cost much, most mobile devices are now fast enough > for IP obfuscation there vpn providers or anonymity networks like Tor > > you should look for "when leaken metadata", customized Firefox > versionslike the "torbundle" package or FreeBSD features such as: > disabled tcp timpstamp, activated net.inet.ip.stealth etc. > > may be that the most information are not critical of freebsd.org > on a page about political commitment, however, twice what you click on > > in the post snowden/nsa area, i think it is not heard now de rigueur, > but should be compulsory > > best regards > Daniel Plominski > Am 18/09/15 um 14:32 schrieb Mark Felder: Where is that 'net.inet.ip.stealth' setting ? I didn't find it in my /etc/defaults/rc.conf file .... [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:09:24am] 347 % grep stealth defaults/rc.conf [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:09:25am] 348 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 9:09:27am] 349 % -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 14:05:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486139CECA0; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:05:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E81C17E6; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from nine.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A91859B; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nine.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A71E78311; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:05:39 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Mark Felder Cc: Daniel Feenberg , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, grarpamp , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <86r3lvdeah.fsf@nine.des.no> <1442584818.1834563.387314497.1AD169D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:05:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1442584818.1834563.387314497.1AD169D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> (Mark Felder's message of "Fri, 18 Sep 2015 09:00:18 -0500") Message-ID: <86k2rnddqk.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:05:42 -0000 Mark Felder writes: > Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav writes: > > Daniel Feenberg writes: > > > Is there a reason to encrypt something that is completely public? > > Watering hole attacks. > Watering hole attack describes the *site* being compromised because it's > popular and you know the target(s) will go there. HTTPS is irrelevant. ...or a MITM attack on a site that is popular with your target demographic. Then again, if you have the means to mount a MITM attack you probably have the means to get a valid certificate. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 14:06:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF0A69CED86; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from na@rtfm.net) Received: from iad1-shared-relay1.dreamhost.com (iad1-shared-relay1.dreamhost.com [208.113.157.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3141980; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:06:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from na@rtfm.net) Received: from cloudburst.dreamhost.com (cloudburst.dreamhost.com [66.33.212.129]) by iad1-shared-relay1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76735B40061; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cloudburst.dreamhost.com (Postfix, from userid 99172) id 6D4A0260C27; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:06:07 -0400 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Daniel Feenberg Cc: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150918140555.GA14677@vane> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:06:14 -0000 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 07:45:29AM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote: > Is there a reason to encrypt something that is completely public? > Perhaps to allow the visitor to conceal the fact that they are > interested in FreeBSD? That won't work, since the IP address of the > server can't be encrypted. I feel like I am missing something. There may be no reason to encrypt it, but there's plenty of reason to authenticate it. That is, when you browse FreeBSD.org, you'd probably prefer to know that the content wasn't modified in transit to include a 0-day JavaScript exploit. -nd. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 14:08:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811B39CEF39; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Received: from mx5.roble.com (mx5.roble.com [206.40.34.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx5.roble.com", Issuer "mx5.roble.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 748181C49; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:08:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marquis@roble.com) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Marquis To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds In-Reply-To: <20150918134659.GB28949@FreeBSD.org> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134659.GB28949@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.11 (BSF 23 2013-08-11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:08:05 -0000 Glen Barber wrote: > In fact, Debian has been kind enough to even provide a page that shows > which parts of the FreeBSD build are non-reproducible. > > https://reproducible.debian.net/freebsd/freebsd.html This issue is one of the reasons secure sites do not use binary packages or freebsd-update. It also illustrates problems admins have when required to buildworld/installworld when all they should need to do is "cd /usr/src/crypro/openssh&&make install" (for example). Does anyone have a link to the archived discussion detailing why this functionality was deprecated? These are good and timely subjects given recently published details of NSA/5 eyes methodologies as well as the issues freebsd security teams were having as recently as a few months ago. Roger Marquis Refs. https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/debian-project-aims-keep-cia-our-computers http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/reproducible-builds-are-a-waste-of-time From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 14:34:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5AC9CFE26; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:34:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from na@rtfm.net) Received: from iad1-shared-relay1.dreamhost.com (iad1-shared-relay1.dreamhost.com [208.113.157.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C361D1C; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:34:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from na@rtfm.net) Received: from cloudburst.dreamhost.com (cloudburst.dreamhost.com [66.33.212.129]) by iad1-shared-relay1.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC83B40079; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by cloudburst.dreamhost.com (Postfix, from userid 99172) id 2A5DA260C60; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 10:34:35 -0400 From: Nathan Dorfman To: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150918143434.GB15068@vane> References: <86r3lvdeah.fsf@nine.des.no> <1442584818.1834563.387314497.1AD169D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <86k2rnddqk.fsf@nine.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <86k2rnddqk.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 14:34:37 -0000 On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 04:05:39PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Then again, if you have the means to mount a MITM attack you probably > have the means to get a valid certificate. If you're that paranoid, there's a nice Firefox extension called CertPatrol that will alert you to any changes in the certificate's details, or if you prefer, just the CA chain. Obviously, it won't help you on the first visit -- it's an advanced version of ssh's known_hosts. -nd. > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 15:02:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA419CE1B8 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from nodeunit.com (nodeunit.org [37.0.34.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9705104C for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.lister@nodeunit.ch) Received: from asrock-lan.local.home (asrock-lan.local.home [10.7.7.6]) by nodeunit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8662258370 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:25:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:25:06 +0200 From: George To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problem upgrading from 10.1 to 10.2 Message-ID: <20150917212506.2334162a@asrock-lan.local.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:02:00 -0000 Hi guys, I have tried this already 10 times and have deleted the same offending file and tried hard setting the update server number and by this time, with so many attempts, the choosing algorithm has gone through all of them and I am still getting this: root@asrock-lan:~ # freebsd-update -r 10.2-RELEASE upgrade Looking up update.freebsd.org mirrors... 5 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 10.1-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 2 metadata patches.. done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... done. Inspecting system... done. The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed: kernel/generic src/src world/base world/doc world/games world/lib32 The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed: Does this look reasonable (y/n)? y Fetching metadata signature for 10.2-RELEASE from update5.freebsd.org... done. Fetching metadata index... done. Fetching 1 metadata patches. done. Applying metadata patches... done. Fetching 1 metadata files... done. Inspecting system... done. Fetching files from 10.1-RELEASE for merging... done. Preparing to download files... done. Fetching 103 patches.....10....20....30....40....50....60....70....80....90....100. done. Applying patches... done. Fetching 4720 files... gunzip: unknown compression format 143f5cd95cd065b2adb90da82ee4b22489babe56a27ec97cbbecd7b55e72ed94 has incorrect hash. root@asrock-lan:~ # uname -a FreeBSD asrock-lan 10.1-RELEASE-p19 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p19 #0: Sat Aug 22 03:55:09 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 I have seen the posting on the forum about lighthttpd not working as expected and that everything is switched to Nginx but I am still having an issue. Any ideas what I can do from here? TIA George From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 16:20:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0A79CEB99 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDCD12F1 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 5BCD19CEB96; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6539CEB95 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:20:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mx1.eichornenterprises.com (mx1.eichornenterprises.com [104.236.13.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx1.eichornenterprises.com", Issuer "StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0669712F0 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:20:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ike@michaeleichorn.com) Received: from mail.eichornenterprises.com (cpe-75-179-47-202.neo.res.rr.com [75.179.47.202]); by mx1.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id c72c01e9; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail.eichornenterprises.com (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 60e1ff84; TLS version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: "Michael B. Eichorn" To: Warren Block , Glenn English Cc: freebsdQuestions Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 12:15:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-512"; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-ceMCOeG3vdSnUi+DFZvr" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:20:32 -0000 --=-ceMCOeG3vdSnUi+DFZvr Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2015-09-18 at 07:33 -0600, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > I've got what I think is a first edition of the Handbook and the book > > on the FreeBSD kernel. Is there a more recent release (on dead trees) > > of the Handbook? I've got the 10.2 on my disk, and I spent a lot of=20 > > time this afternoon printing parts of it (I do better reading paper). >=20 > There is a second edition of the Handbook, but it is also pretty old=20 > now. The current version of the Handbook has had many updates and=20 > additions. Besides the HTML version, there are PDF and other versions= =20 > that are updated frequently: > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ In addition there are some other useful dead-tree media in: If you are interested in how things work under the hood, there is an academic textbook: "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD Operating System" (2nd Ed 2014). For a bunch of how-to-get-things-done *BSD books the author Michael W. Lucas is rather prolific. 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AAAAAA== --=-ceMCOeG3vdSnUi+DFZvr-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 16:45:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB469CF860 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 704931F58 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 6F29F9CF85F; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EBFC9CF85E for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:45:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB7761F57 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from kw.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t8IGj4Yu011337; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:45:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: "Michael B. Eichorn" , Warren Block , Glenn English References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Cc: freebsdQuestions From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:45:04 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:45:16 -0000 On 2015-09-18 18:15, Michael B. Eichorn wrote: > On Fri, 2015-09-18 at 07:33 -0600, Warren Block wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: >> >>> >>> I've got what I think is a first edition of the Handbook and the book >>> on the FreeBSD kernel. Is there a more recent release (on dead trees) >>> of the Handbook? I've got the 10.2 on my disk, and I spent a lot of >>> time this afternoon printing parts of it (I do better reading paper). >> >> There is a second edition of the Handbook, but it is also pretty old >> now. The current version of the Handbook has had many updates and >> additions. Besides the HTML version, there are PDF and other versions >> that are updated frequently: >> ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ > > In addition there are some other useful dead-tree media in: > > If you are interested in how things work under the hood, there is an > academic textbook: "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD > Operating System" (2nd Ed 2014). > > For a bunch of how-to-get-things-done *BSD books the author Michael W. > Lucas is rather prolific. > > Cheers. Cheers! One can also have a look at this. http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 16:58:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780329CFF1E for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 162AB18F9 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:58:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t8IGw5L4008270; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:58:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: kpneal@pobox.com, Baho Utot References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <55FB5D66.2040000@columbus.rr.com> <20150918142505.GA39509@neutralgood.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <55FC429D.7000707@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:58:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150918142505.GA39509@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:58:27 -0000 On 18/09/2015 15:25, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 08:40:06PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: >> >> >> On 09/17/15 18:28, Glenn English wrote: >> >> [putolin] >> >> >> >> > But selecting logout in the menu drops XFCE as it should, but it >> > drops to a completely blank screen with nothing paying any attention >> > at mouse or screen. I tried ctl-n, ctl-alt-n, and just alt-n. Nothing. >> >> I had the same trouble as you when I starting to use FreeBSD. I use ATI >> graphics card and I had big trouble like you do, I fixed it as follows: >> >> Break out a text editor in a CLI (vi etc). >> I use vim-lite install by pkg. >> >> Try adding this to /boot/loader.conf >> >> vim /boot/loader.conf >> >> # Use new graphical console driver >> kern.vty=vt >> >> save and exit. > > Too difficult. Those of us who have had to restore systems when dynamic > linking was hosed learned tricks like this: > > echo >> /boot/loader.conf "kern.vty=vt" > > That's it. Nothing else to install, and "echo" is normally a shell builtin. > So if you can get a working shell command line then you can typically make > this change. > But if you really want vi and dynamic linking is broken try /rescue/vi $file "man rescue" is (should be) mandatory reading for admins. I just wish there was /rescue/emacs. :-) -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 17:44:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA9E9CECFA for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from agh@fastmail.fm) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0D65154A for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from agh@fastmail.fm) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875552067A; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from frontend1 ([10.202.2.160]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:44:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.fm; h=cc :content-type:date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=JKNG7 sY7QE31CqbSteYJ1M4zPgY=; b=pCl6WOpgC7v97S1vqwkdHb1lmNuc2O21zACNF 1aP/whg2/kxwDefJWgy0il5Vm2zr9+Cla0Kcy9NW2MLh6bh7RcT5aOzFIY1dUmOx njhSlKrgOqH1AIppk+zxfX/etqh37OeVvEiZj60zikhzyMg84LrujuO8a8MemXBJ gzaf9s= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=JKNG7sY7QE31CqbSteYJ1M4zPgY=; b=r+FPb CfXDH6CM/r4qY1taWTojvel/KnXK2C4O3GbKLkKpm9AhqE3JfkyZqJEj8tniTmwa fojyPjYDgLfUZsKr0GxvOZAoXLIsxbMBwX0AQStUT4uaFeUcWZW0UJP0LBhtT3/9 FVSRMrgspeykgDEHO9jYA6AHhE+UW5XjFN9Scc= X-Sasl-enc: 5kkBmjzkFp2wZzDHh6bFE7manHYOvIuCbqh6OAHZrZvV 1442598280 Received: from kropotkin.auxio (aux.io [223.252.30.161]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1972FC00021; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:44:36 +0800 From: Alastair Hogge To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150918174436.GF85844@kropotkin.auxio> References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <55FC1498.7090902@Plominski.eu> <55FC19B7.1010607@hiwaay.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55FC19B7.1010607@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:44:43 -0000 On 2015-09-18 Fri 09:09:05 +0000 William A. Mahaffey III , wrote: > On 09/18/15 08:47, Daniel DP. Plominski wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA512 > > > > well, encryption does not cost much, most mobile devices are now fast enough > > for IP obfuscation there vpn providers or anonymity networks like Tor > > > > you should look for "when leaken metadata", customized Firefox > > versionslike the "torbundle" package or FreeBSD features such as: > > disabled tcp timpstamp, activated net.inet.ip.stealth etc. > > > > may be that the most information are not critical of freebsd.org > > on a page about political commitment, however, twice what you click on > > > > in the post snowden/nsa area, i think it is not heard now de rigueur, > > but should be compulsory > > Where is that 'net.inet.ip.stealth' setting ? I didn't find it in my > /etc/defaults/rc.conf file .... What about: $ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.stealth net.inet.ip.stealth: IP stealth mode, no TTL decrementation on forwarding $ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.random_id net.inet.ip.random_id: Assign random ip_id values Add them to /etc/sysctl.conf To good health -- The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them. -- Lenny Bruce From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 19:03:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67999D05F9 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F69810AE for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:03:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D8733C24 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id E2F4439819; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <55FB5D66.2040000@columbus.rr.com> <20150918142505.GA39509@neutralgood.org> <55FC429D.7000707@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:03:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <55FC429D.7000707@qeng-ho.org> (Arthur Chance's message of "Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:58:05 +0100") Message-ID: <44k2rnbldb.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:03:57 -0000 Arthur Chance writes: > But if you really want vi and dynamic linking is broken try > > /rescue/vi $file > > "man rescue" is (should be) mandatory reading for admins. I just wish > there was /rescue/emacs. :-) I'm an inveterate emacs user, but if I need /rescue, /rescue/sed is usually the shortest path to fixing the problem. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 21:19:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0D5A008E5 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:19:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces+1605419-1691-freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@mail1.shared.hubspot.com) Received: from o3.mail1.shared.hubspot.com (o3.mail1.shared.hubspot.com [50.31.44.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96AB81A79 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bounces+1605419-1691-freebsd-questions=freebsd.org@mail1.shared.hubspot.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=mail1.shared.hubspot.com; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:list-unsubscribe; s=smtpapi; bh=ftydyiNMBvk8uTx9fAQTfP3t00A=; b=r1pROXjzDCy/YplSvw 6xjsigEMU8rsrRl3QGUSisq2d25BKH3BqexjBYUFCa5wLW76bHFo+/SHEQr2xhLk TZoq7AW6plA8vYXrmtnGlld8GRQx+PEJiIyI7XTCHhYxMvcBkPftT9krY2j6CjXm eqhqooE4b8BjX6MWEAoRxmnQE= Received: by filter-327.sjc1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter-327.18810.55FC7FE01E 2015-09-18 21:19:28.452627002 +0000 UTC Received: from friends (ec2-54-174-53-191.compute-1.amazonaws.com [54.174.53.191]) by ismtpd0002p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 2nRyyYxSQNC4PFpUXfpeOw for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:19:28.529 +0000 (UTC) From: Anthony Berrena Reply-To: aberrena@playwire.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1442611168500.c6c2564c-1676-4a7f-b1f9-64537778bfeb@smtp.hubapi.com> Subject: Brief chat about your video inventory MIME-Version: 1.0 X-HubSpot-MID: CiRjNmMyNTY0Yy0xNjc2LTRhN2YtYjFmOS02NDUzNzc3OGJmZWIQrLsbGO4RIAEolcf/CTCzyBM6HWZyZWVic2QtcXVlc3Rpb25zQGZyZWVic2Qub3JnQPSJzpL+KUjiAlooZDJjNTM1ZDJiZjEzYTNlOWIxNTY0YjA3ODMzODMyNmMzZDBmYWNhNXCr1xSAAQCgAQCoAQGwAQA= Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:19:28 +0000 (UTC) X-SG-EID: FFnPVu6lb0A5TuepcCdqxLOfczNEIxluOZzq9GOc07oK4I/GrfjXYy5JZp6N9Xmqrger/rQlFmjW0+ glaeBMA6zFzynHIQ6x2LP98tgYMbs6FMmjnOhNbyblPy8s9KSKoxdGEvYTo2BRwFYhK68noK33q1Rq LUlkcuPNPM4XrfWnQ/w4LvwBHLxVoqFrSYJF X-SG-ID: BaKDar+VrkG/S9kwb9JXAw8+hZDP8+00jmev84mwKQww+yJmeyP7Dtykmy/Fra1tsiHX3O6SKteAxj guyqbX5sEenrBeZFteZLvCL6BBStuXpcB9L4ism0T2g3QmAh/gjf8jYjE8THDDD8zM91m44OzvoyY5 +YvN5fgAYoBM7OEHRBzA1mpo5wQSOT72fLF9kjpYuwvDsiVM+5WcjVFc/e4grG91BH4hcIbtt8IVil fbKtVE841ZZNHIZBF4x0u3JcQuYgi/GI8TgBayJwq8Y/IjR+9OTiFZ2CZS/t852pWgwgR+kHEv3Qx9 7wDXVB2H Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:19:38 -0000 Let's talk about your video inventory Hi, How are you? 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No mention of ZFS, but very little on = floppies, and nothing I've come across yet on dialup or SLIP :-) >> If you are interested in how things work under the hood, there is an >> academic textbook: "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD >> Operating System" (2nd Ed 2014). That's the one I have on the OS itself. I thought it was the only one = until I did a little looking around. >> For a bunch of how-to-get-things-done *BSD books the author Michael = W. >> Lucas is rather prolific. I bought a couple books of his (UFS and ZFS) last night, on the Kindle. = He seems to think ZFS is the best thing since sliced bread. I just did = an install with ZFS -- maybe it is, we'll see. It doesn't feel like it = slows down anything.=20 > One can also have a look at this. >=20 > http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ That one seems to be 2006. I was hoping for something a little more = recent. Something that might help my understanding of 10.2. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 22:10:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB9A9CE590; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847071272; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:10:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from nine.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661BD89C7; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nine.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3D2A18363; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:10:36 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:10:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> (Slawa Olhovchenkov's message of "Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:48:04 +0300") Message-ID: <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:10:40 -0000 Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[= s]. freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 22:13:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A079D9CE8BD for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F77A191F for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8IMD6U1027156 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:13:06 -0500 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <55FC1498.7090902@Plominski.eu> <55FC19B7.1010607@hiwaay.net> <20150918174436.GF85844@kropotkin.auxio> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55FC8C71.3040902@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 17:18:35 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150918174436.GF85844@kropotkin.auxio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:13:08 -0000 On 09/18/15 12:50, Alastair Hogge wrote: > On 2015-09-18 Fri 09:09:05 +0000 William A. Mahaffey III , wrote: >> On 09/18/15 08:47, Daniel DP. Plominski wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA512 >>> >>> well, encryption does not cost much, most mobile devices are now fast enough >>> for IP obfuscation there vpn providers or anonymity networks like Tor >>> >>> you should look for "when leaken metadata", customized Firefox >>> versionslike the "torbundle" package or FreeBSD features such as: >>> disabled tcp timpstamp, activated net.inet.ip.stealth etc. >>> >>> may be that the most information are not critical of freebsd.org >>> on a page about political commitment, however, twice what you click on >>> >>> in the post snowden/nsa area, i think it is not heard now de rigueur, >>> but should be compulsory >> Where is that 'net.inet.ip.stealth' setting ? I didn't find it in my >> /etc/defaults/rc.conf file .... > What about: > $ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.stealth > net.inet.ip.stealth: IP stealth mode, no TTL decrementation on forwarding > > $ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.random_id > net.inet.ip.random_id: Assign random ip_id values > > Add them to /etc/sysctl.conf > > To good health > -- > The liberals can understand everything but people who don't understand them. > -- Lenny Bruce > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:07:39am] 353 % sysctl -d net.inet.ip.stealth sysctl: unknown oid 'net.inet.ip.stealth' [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:17:54pm] 354 % sysctl -d net.inet.ip.random_id net.inet.ip.random_id: Assign random ip_id values [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:18:07pm] 355 % uname -a FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:18:16pm] 356 % Maybe a 10.n thing ? -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 23:22:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5283A9D0084 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:22:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (host-209-190-254-14.client.atlantech.net [209.190.254.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0237E1D52 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:22:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (tripel [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t8INHXlc073738 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:17:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:17:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: "William A. Mahaffey III" cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds In-Reply-To: <55FC8C71.3040902@hiwaay.net> Message-ID: References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <55FC1498.7090902@Plominski.eu> <55FC19B7.1010607@hiwaay.net> <20150918174436.GF85844@kropotkin.auxio> <55FC8C71.3040902@hiwaay.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:22:41 -0000 On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: [ big snip ] > [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:07:39am] 353 % sysctl -d net.inet.ip.stealth > sysctl: unknown oid 'net.inet.ip.stealth' > [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:17:54pm] 354 % sysctl -d net.inet.ip.random_id > net.inet.ip.random_id: Assign random ip_id values > [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:18:07pm] 355 % uname -a > FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat Aug 22 > 01:54:44 UTC 2015 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:18:16pm] 356 % > > > Maybe a 10.n thing ? Maybe not: chris@tripel$ uname -mv FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401: Tue Nov 11 21:02:49 UTC 2014 root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 chris@tripel$ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.stealth sysctl: unknown oid 'net.inet.ip.stealth': No such file or directory chris@tripel$ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.random_id net.inet.ip.random_id: Assign random ip_id values -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 23:23:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5340C9D00C4 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timur@bat.ru) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334961DE2 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timur@bat.ru) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 3057D9D00C3; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1611C9D00C1 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timur@bat.ru) Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA3E71DE1 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timur@bat.ru) Received: by obbmp4 with SMTP id mp4so14183519obb.3 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=QgW7v2GSNZNBBP9Y1xzy2vDg5YqFz96qPXosHuamuWY=; b=m+BDCk9KGj24j8dGhhW4qV4PB1LNg1EpByCd7FanQHcFTiU39SUnR2ks7Nx140R51y TyTPes/VigbJB31V4fGHBtWopewGnmHeElHxwnpJLn/wxwjc3fTmShXn+GZk2CDCV6OI 7E9lv+HJM9JibkeeIjCdZS+gt67BtWDoOaNHjFRUE0mRT6kKhZLhgUa710sHUZZ1+VpL wgRcWYPDQwYZEfFcJi4vpbEMZesnEOF4noTu58X7n3FCDgcLNWnBspcYnue6Vv01CHz5 mgO/UWRC3/R/fIGlo9pfnDF5Ie9fpBc5+B5AhB7MKfliCVFGrM30QIfpc3Xgo8ASUpMu su/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkkvGapEDrQc/GsyuW+arlhXw4iJz7UkIVAqNH4pCP0uWrFEy4b5kQT0FXiAtMoTeL4BYPN X-Received: by 10.182.53.229 with SMTP id e5mr5263927obp.68.1442618575656; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.190.70 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 16:22:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Timur I. Bakeyev" Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:22:35 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Samba 4.2 in FreeBSD 10.2 To: Olivier Nicole Cc: questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:23:02 -0000 Sorry, Oliver, to hear that. I hope upcoming 4.2.4 will be better experience for you. On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Olivier Nicole < Olivier.Nicole@cs.ait.ac.th> wrote: > Hi, > > I have been trying to run Samba 4.2 in FreeBSD 10.2. > > My first try was to upgrade FreeBSD from 10.1 and Samba from > 4.0.25. That failed miserably. > > So I installed a new RELENG 10.2 machine, with the latest Samba 4.2.3_1 > and that also fails. > > samba-tool domain provision --interactive with all default answer will > create a python2.7 core dump! > > Launching samba with a server role of active directory comain controler > will core dump samba. > > I am at lost about what to try and help is greatly needed. > > TIA. > > Olivier > -- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Sep 18 23:57:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322F6A0225E for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149B71DC0 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 13CBDA0225D; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13604A0225C for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:57:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E7D71DBF for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:57:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from kw.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t8INv6HG020800; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:57:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: Glenn English , freebsdQuestions References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <55FCA4D2.8010704@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:57:06 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:57:14 -0000 On 2015-09-18 23:44, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2015, Bernt Hansson, and several others, wrote: > >>>> There is a second edition of the Handbook, but it is also pretty old >>>> now. > > Yeah, I've got that one too. No mention of ZFS, but very little on floppies, and nothing I've come across yet on dialup or SLIP :-) > >>> If you are interested in how things work under the hood, there is an >>> academic textbook: "The Design and Implementation of the FreeBSD >>> Operating System" (2nd Ed 2014). > > That's the one I have on the OS itself. I thought it was the only one until I did a little looking around. > >>> For a bunch of how-to-get-things-done *BSD books the author Michael W. >>> Lucas is rather prolific. > > I bought a couple books of his (UFS and ZFS) last night, on the Kindle. He seems to think ZFS is the best thing since sliced bread. I just did an install with ZFS -- maybe it is, we'll see. It doesn't feel like it slows down anything. > >> One can also have a look at this. >> >> http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ > > That one seems to be 2006. I was hoping for something a little more recent. Something that might help my understanding of 10.2. Have you read it? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 00:35:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024F5A03858; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from smtp.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBB271BD4; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from nine.des.no (smtp.des.no [194.63.250.102]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3EA8A7F; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nine.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1B7DE8383; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 02:35:42 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Roger Marquis Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134659.GB28949@FreeBSD.org> <20150918140821.62C8885B8@smtp.des.no> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 02:35:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20150918140821.62C8885B8@smtp.des.no> (Roger Marquis's message of "Fri, 18 Sep 2015 07:07:59 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <86fv2bw8ip.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 00:35:44 -0000 Roger Marquis writes: > This issue is one of the reasons secure sites do not use binary packages > or freebsd-update. It also illustrates problems admins have when > required to buildworld/installworld when all they should need to do is > "cd /usr/src/crypro/openssh&&make install" (for example). Does anyone > have a link to the archived discussion detailing why this functionality > was deprecated? It has not been deprecated. If you're referring upgrading instructions in security advisories etc., they generally just say "build and install world" because providing precise instructions for an incremental rebuild would require much more work on secteam's part, and there would be a significant risk of error both on secteam's and the user's part. Here's the correct sequence for OpenSSH: # cd /usr/src/secure # for d in lib/libssh */s* ; do (cd $d && make cleandir && make obj && make= depend all install) ; done # service sshd restart DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 01:30:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DB69CE75F for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C75F11F87 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C6AFA9CE726; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C64549CE725 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D6C1F86 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:30:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 024EC2C023E; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: <55FCA4D2.8010704@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:30:03 -0600 Cc: freebsdQuestions Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <623C9131-E2DF-4DCB-982D-08DE3F5AC8B9@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> <55FCA4D2.8010704@bananmonarki.se> To: Bernt Hansson X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:30:32 -0000 On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Have you read it? Nope. You think it's good info?? -- Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 01:46:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A61D9CF15B for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF4815B6 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0B4D59CF15A; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE569CF159 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:46:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 784A015B5 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:46:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from kw.news4all.se (testbox.usenet4all.se [10.0.0.3]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t8J1kaxt023544; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:46:36 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem To: Glenn English References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> <55FCA4D2.8010704@bananmonarki.se> <623C9131-E2DF-4DCB-982D-08DE3F5AC8B9@slsware.net> Cc: freebsdQuestions From: Bernt Hansson Message-ID: <55FCBE7C.9090704@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:46:36 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <623C9131-E2DF-4DCB-982D-08DE3F5AC8B9@slsware.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:46:41 -0000 On 2015-09-19 03:30, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2015, at 5:57 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> Have you read it? > > Nope. You think it's good info?? > Yes. I think it is. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 03:27:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E859CE974 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0EBD1C3B for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id A02B69CE973; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBBF9CE972 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B4321C3A for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:27:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id t8J3RFEr076200 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id t8J3RF0m076197; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:27:15 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:27:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Glenn English cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem In-Reply-To: <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> Message-ID: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 18 Sep 2015 21:27:15 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 03:27:32 -0000 On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Glenn English wrote: > On Sep 18, 2015, Bernt Hansson, and several others, wrote: > >> One can also have a look at this. >> >> http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ > > That one seems to be 2006. I was hoping for something a little more recent. Something that might help my understanding of 10.2. I have a bunch of short articles on various subjects mostly related to FreeBSD, too: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 04:49:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727889CE8A6 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 04:49:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FEFB12BF for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 04:49:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8J4nqDg030305 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:49:53 -0500 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <1442578892.1807598.387215049.07156D0F@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1442579551.1810383.387233801.46EBDA6D@webmail.messagingengine.com> <55FC1498.7090902@Plominski.eu> <55FC19B7.1010607@hiwaay.net> <20150918174436.GF85844@kropotkin.auxio> <55FC8C71.3040902@hiwaay.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55FCE970.8030206@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:55:22 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 04:49:55 -0000 On 09/18/15 18:23, Chris Hill wrote: > On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > > [ big snip ] > >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 10:07:39am] 353 % sysctl -d net.inet.ip.stealth >> sysctl: unknown oid 'net.inet.ip.stealth' >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:17:54pm] 354 % sysctl -d net.inet.ip.random_id >> net.inet.ip.random_id: Assign random ip_id values >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:18:07pm] 355 % uname -a >> FreeBSD kabini1.local 9.3-RELEASE-p24 FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p24 #0: Sat >> Aug 22 01:54:44 UTC 2015 >> root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 >> [root@kabini1, /etc, 5:18:16pm] 356 % >> >> >> Maybe a 10.n thing ? > > Maybe not: > > chris@tripel$ uname -mv > FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE #0 r274401: Tue Nov 11 21:02:49 UTC 2014 > root@releng1.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 > chris@tripel$ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.stealth > sysctl: unknown oid 'net.inet.ip.stealth': No such file or directory > chris@tripel$ sysctl -d net.inet.ip.random_id > net.inet.ip.random_id: Assign random ip_id values > Fair enough, where did the other guy get that 'stealth' setting ? -- William A. 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Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 05:50:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFB69CF8CB for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521E41A0B for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 4F1F29CF8C9; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EB039CF8C8 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:50:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8771A0A for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:50:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 845142C078F for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:50:14 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:49:51 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <81F08C44-C541-4737-984B-1CBD13323CB7@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:50:16 -0000 On Sep 18, 2015, at 9:27 PM, Warren Block wrote: > I have a bunch of short articles on various subjects mostly related to = FreeBSD, too: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/ =46rom the titles, those look like they might be just what I'm looking = for. Short texts that explain the difference between eth0 and what FBSD = calls an Ethernet port (em0??). Something like that :-) I'm sure it'll = make sense when I understand the nomenclature. --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 05:51:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1EC9CFAA9 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF571CBF for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 6E3249CFAA8; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DD169CFAA6 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCBF1CBE for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:51:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id BF0B72C078F for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: <55FCBE7C.9090704@bananmonarki.se> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 23:51:25 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> <55FCA4D2.8010704@bananmonarki.se> <623C9131-E2DF-4DCB-982D-08DE3F5AC8B9@slsware.net> <55FCBE7C.9090704@bananmonarki.se> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 05:51:49 -0000 On Sep 18, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: >> Nope. You think it's good info?? >> > > Yes. I think it is. OK. Thanks I'll look into it. Some things in an OS don't change much. -- Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 06:56:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C56A05C4E for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:56:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bthcom@higonnet.net) Received: from freebsd.higonnet.net (higonnet.net [45.32.236.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E3D1776 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bthcom@higonnet.net) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (ARouen-151-1-13-224.w90-22.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.22.76.224]) by freebsd.higonnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 046FC2F6B9 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:55:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Constantly running out of swap space - solved more or less To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> From: Bernard Higonnet Message-ID: <55FD06F8.2090705@higonnet.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:55:52 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55FAFEE4.5080701@higonnet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:56:05 -0000 As suggested by several people, I tweaked clam and amavis configuration parameters by reducing various maxima (message sizes, threads, queues, etc.). It seemed to me my traffic was so low that these did not apply, but I have been running for a day with 2GB swap (for 768MB (not 768KB) RAM) with no apparent problem... This is the more surprising to me that I added Wordpress which implies MySQL which it seems also needs swap space. Sorry I can't provide more definitive info as to what reallymade the difference. Thanks to all Bernard Higonnet On 2015-09-17 19:56, Bernard Higonnet wrote: > Using FreeBSD 10.2 > > I'm using a swap file set up as described at > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/adding-swap-space.html > > No matter what size I make it (last time 4GB) I run out of swap space on > a VPS with 768KB RAM. Space is being used by amavisd/clamd which is > apparently notorious space hungry, but it's clear to me there's a > problem somewhere. Everything works OK for a while (a few hours? on a > system with very little traffic (100 emails a day...)) and then runs out > of space. > > I assume amavisd/clamd are not using swap space explicitly and the OS > decides on is own that swap space is needed. > > Any suggestions? > > TIA > Bernard Higonnet From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 09:17:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BF79CDC51 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:17:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org", Issuer "fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7F521507 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:17:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.home.qeng-ho.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id t8J9HD9n012191; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:17:14 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds To: =?UTF-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=c3=b8rgrav?= References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <55FD2819.6060304@qeng-ho.org> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:17:13 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:17:19 -0000 On 18/09/2015 23:10, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: >> freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. Obvious question: what might/will replace it? pkg for base? -- Those who do not learn from computing history are doomed to GOTO 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 10:36:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CC19CEA7C for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D7FC1927 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:36:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B5DC93F751 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55FD3A96.1000009@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 06:36:06 -0400 From: Quartz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> <81F08C44-C541-4737-984B-1CBD13323CB7@slsware.net> In-Reply-To: <81F08C44-C541-4737-984B-1CBD13323CB7@slsware.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:36:09 -0000 >Short texts that explain the difference between eth0 >> and what FBSD calls an Ethernet port (em0??). Linux names interfaces by type, ie; "eth" for ethernet. *BSD names interfaces by driver (in this case "em" for Intel PRO/1000. do "man em" for more info). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 11:01:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21224A05732 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013981224 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 006FDA05731; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00159A05730 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2CF11221 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:01:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A2013CD06; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:00:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8JB109A017319; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:01:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:01:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Glenn English Cc: freebsdQuestions Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem Message-Id: <20150919130100.3e1b013a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:01:08 -0000 On Fri, 18 Sep 2015 15:44:33 -0600, Glenn English wrote: > > On Sep 18, 2015, Bernt Hansson, and several others, wrote: > > >>> There is a second edition of the Handbook, but it is also pretty old > >>> now. > > Yeah, I've got that one too. No mention of ZFS, but very little > on floppies, and nothing I've come across yet on dialup or SLIP :-) And tape? What about tape? Floppy tape? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 12:13:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADA39CF1C0 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:13:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from mail2.kulturflatrate.net (mail2.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:121:52ad::3:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10861868 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:13:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (mail.kulturflatrate.net [IPv6:2a01:488:66:1000:2ea3:77dd:0:1]) (Authenticated sender: niklaas@kulturflatrate.net) by mail2.kulturflatrate.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 893C341B83; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:13:00 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=kulturflatrate.net; s=default; t=1442664780; bh=6x+x2gOA4BVfU43cWw5TVV3wNm0Yn8BzdkI3MF5zsu0=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=d8YBjxv5ZVfNrJfIs1FDcLbC5iXqHiWQJEB5Wao6ZsjA+xp+bBzgQNudIVCrF1cjF YJvCrF2v/OECoaI9iNy/BkQ/vU5bx3PLhcAEEi5vSy+eCPO4RAjJpXsbdrs8FBbE7y S4cUZ2sat+ZnfLewdLOF5z7UbGikKohynH9fgF6M= Subject: Re: Cannot start opendkim To: =?UTF-8?Q?Nagy_L=c3=a1szl=c3=b3_Zsolt?= , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <55FBFEB6.3000909@shopzeus.com> <55FC0361.6030706@FreeBSD.org> <55FC0430.8030505@shopzeus.com> From: Niklaas Baudet von Gersdorff Message-ID: <55FD51CA.8020708@kulturflatrate.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:15:06 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55FC0430.8030505@shopzeus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:13:02 -0000 On 18/09/15 14:31, Nagy László Zsolt wrote: > >> As I recall, you can't specify both KeyFile and KeyTable in the same >> configuration. > Commented KeyFile and Selector, but still have the same problem. > Have a look at these resources: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/opendkim-spf.27201/#post-169910 http://www.stevejenkins.com/blog/2010/09/how-to-get-dkim-domainkeys-identified-mail-working-on-centos-5-5-and-postfix-using-opendkim/ -- Niklaas From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 12:50:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C750A0541D; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:50:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from woozle.rinet.ru (woozle.rinet.ru [195.54.192.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B361714CA; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:50:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woozle.rinet.ru (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t8JCiAVV057206; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:44:10 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from marck@rinet.ru) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:44:10 +0300 (MSK) From: Dmitry Morozovsky To: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?= cc: Slawa Olhovchenkov , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, grarpamp , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds In-Reply-To: <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> Message-ID: References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) X-NCC-RegID: ru.rinet X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 6B691B03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (woozle.rinet.ru [0.0.0.0]); Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:44:11 +0300 (MSK) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:50:02 -0000 Dag-Erling, On Sat, 19 Sep 2015, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote: > > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. Are there any published plans available? Thanks! -- Sincerely, D.Marck [DM5020, MCK-RIPE, DM3-RIPN] [ FreeBSD committer: marck@FreeBSD.org ] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** Dmitry Morozovsky --- D.Marck --- Wild Woozle --- marck@rinet.ru *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 12:50:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E02AA05525; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A64817BE; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:50:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdHax-000EMK-Bq; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Dag-Erling =?koi8-r?Q?Smorgrav?= Cc: grarpamp , freebsd-security@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:50:28 -0000 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: > > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. What is planed for replacement? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 13:15:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5C59CE10B for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:15:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EDB914EC for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:15:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91D183CC4F; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:15:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8JDFH9b017860; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:15:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:15:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-Id: <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:15:19 -0000 On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: > > > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. > > What is planed for replacement? As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. You can already see this kind of development: The documentation has become a package, and the package manager itself is a package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 13:20:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4559CE410 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:20:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1904D179E for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8JDKYms029766 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:20:35 -0500 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55FD6122.7030201@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 08:26:04 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:20:37 -0000 On 09/19/15 08:21, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >> >>> Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: >>>> freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. >>> freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. >> What is planed for replacement? > As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components > comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports > collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on > will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is > a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except > that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) > doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. > > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). Agreed (& I *love* it) on all counts, but still binaries being downloaded & installed, a potential trust problem vis-a-vis some of the earlier posts & still potentially irreproducible .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 13:32:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8516C9CEC2F for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38F5A1E20 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdIG0-000F59-Tq; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:32:48 +0300 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:32:48 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:32:52 -0000 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 03:15:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > > Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: > > > > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > > > > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. > > > > What is planed for replacement? > > As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components > comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports > collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on > will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is > a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except > that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) > doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. This is very bad. > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. Kernel and userland versions mismatch. glibc version incompatible with rpm. pkunzip.zip problem. And etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 14:08:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BEBA02DD4 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636A11DBA for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-216-186-213-32.knology.net [216.186.213.32] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t8JE899f010638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:08:10 -0500 Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "William A. Mahaffey III" Message-ID: <55FD6C49.6090008@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:13:39 -0453.75 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 14:08:18 -0000 On 09/19/15 08:39, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 03:15:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > >> On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: >>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >>> >>>> Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: >>>>> freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. >>>> freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. >>> What is planed for replacement? >> As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components >> comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports >> collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on >> will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is >> a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except >> that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) >> doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. > This is very bad. > >> You can already see this kind of development: The documentation >> has become a package, and the package manager itself is a >> package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap >> loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process >> could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And >> a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional >> benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). > I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. > Kernel and userland versions mismatch. > glibc version incompatible with rpm. > pkunzip.zip problem. > And etc. I *think* all they are planning is using the same 'pkg' system to maintain *separate* repos of software, still system *separate* from user pkg's, but I could be way off .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 16:37:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AFEA05759 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E19A1376 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 7B1B1A05758; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB25A05757 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net [216.17.134.203]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A73F1374 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:37:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ghe@slsware.net) Received: from air.slsware.wif (unknown [192.168.2.237]) by srv.slsware.net (srv.slsware.net) with ESMTP id 2CB452C023E for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:37:53 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: 10.2 graphics problem From: Glenn English X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v3.00.11.18 BETA/60 In-Reply-To: <20150919130100.3e1b013a.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:37:27 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B6501C4-5894-4BB2-BA8C-60563BC61644@slsware.net> References: <8F541F88-2EAE-434C-B52C-43A744F54ADD@slsware.net> <55FADDE7.9000702@bananmonarki.se> <0F355724-42C6-4DB4-A470-7AC8D7667CEA@slsware.net> <1442592952.3015.19.camel@michaeleichorn.com> <55FC3F90.3090905@bananmonarki.se> <1F197AA4-CE10-4195-B0D5-028C30036CAA@slsware.net> <20150919130100.3e1b013a.freebsd@edvax.de> To: freebsdQuestions X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:37:54 -0000 On Sep 19, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Polytropon wrote: > And tape? What about tape? Floppy tape? :-) Yeah, nobody worries about tape anymore -- except me and Quantum, I = think. I do backups to DLT with Amanda. Just last night I got my new = FBSD box configured so Amanda's dry run test worked. I consider it a compliment: admins using tape are assumed to be smart = and knowledgable enough that they can figure it out by themselves :-) That doesn't apply to getting a GUI to run, of course. That requires = massive help from the list... --=20 Glenn English From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 16:39:14 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAE5A058C9 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:39:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5F071917 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:39:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 388903CD71; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:39:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8JGdBL7018300; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:39:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:39:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-Id: <20150919183911.4a064bff.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55FD6C49.6090008@hiwaay.net> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> <55FD6C49.6090008@hiwaay.net> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:39:14 -0000 On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 09:13:39 -0453.75, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > I *think* all they are planning is using the same 'pkg' system to > maintain *separate* repos of software, still system *separate* from user > pkg's, but I could be way off .... Yes, that's the plan, as far as I know. The pkg program will be used to install and update system components based on binary packages, similarly to how it deals with ports. Still there will be the clear distinction between the OS and the installed ports. I don't know if there will be two databases (one for the OS packages, one for the ports packages) or if both will be recorded in the same file... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 16:47:13 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82D5A05C73 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AA331D2E for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DE803CD77; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:47:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8JGlCs2018320; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:47:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:47:12 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-Id: <20150919184712.4d26f3f9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:47:13 -0000 On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 16:32:48 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 03:15:17PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 15:50:23 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 12:10:36AM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > > > > > Slawa Olhovchenkov writes: > > > > > freebsd-update builds is inreproducible by the freebsd-update-server bug[s]. > > > > > > > > freebsd-update will most likely be gone in 11. > > > > > > What is planed for replacement? > > > > As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components > > comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports > > collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on > > will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is > > a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except > > that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) > > doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. > > This is very bad. Don't worry. The OS will still be maintained by the FreeBSD team. And the components which the OS is composed of will probably not be separated into hundreds of separate packages (as it is in Linux - where the distribution creators decide which packages belong to a base install, like, which package installer, which shell, X or no X, and so on). In the end, it might look like there are few additional packages that will be installed: sys_bin, sys_src, sys_ports and so on. An update you perform with freebsd-update will then be an update on the sys_* packages with pkg, leading to a binarily upgraded operating system. You then _can_ upgrade your ports collection, or you can leave it as is. This is the advantage of FreeBSD: The OS and the additionally installed (3rd party) software are beging dealt with independently. And this is good. :-) > > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). > > I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. > Kernel and userland versions mismatch. > glibc version incompatible with rpm. > pkunzip.zip problem. > And etc. I know what you're refering to. :-) On Linux, an "upgrade everything" process might involve a kernel or a system library update not properly being dealt with in "userland" (if I may abuse the term in this context). Now you have a system that won't boot anymore, and you might not even be able to reach a kind of maintenance mode (like FreeBSD's single-user mode with /rescue) because somehow your fallback kernel and libraries got deleted... Of course FreeBSD also can run into this kind of problem, but the OS is always consistent. An upgrade does _not_ break the OS. It _might_ break ports. During the course of -STABLE, this usually does not happen (because the interfaces are stable). That's why you always see the advice to recompile (or reinstall) your ports when you move to a new major version, leaving the path of -STABLE. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 17:28:49 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9486AA05110 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E0601F83 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 17:28:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdLwF-000JLq-Rk; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:28:39 +0300 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:28:39 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150919172839.GC21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919184712.4d26f3f9.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150919184712.4d26f3f9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 17:28:49 -0000 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 06:47:12PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components > > > comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports > > > collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on > > > will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is > > > a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except > > > that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) > > > doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. > > > > This is very bad. > > Don't worry. The OS will still be maintained by the FreeBSD team. > And the components which the OS is composed of will probably not > be separated into hundreds of separate packages (as it is in > Linux - where the distribution creators decide which packages > belong to a base install, like, which package installer, which > shell, X or no X, and so on). > > In the end, it might look like there are few additional packages > that will be installed: sys_bin, sys_src, sys_ports and so on. > An update you perform with freebsd-update will then be an update > on the sys_* packages with pkg, leading to a binarily upgraded > operating system. You then _can_ upgrade your ports collection, > or you can leave it as is. This is the advantage of FreeBSD: > The OS and the additionally installed (3rd party) software are > beging dealt with independently. > > And this is good. :-) I am don't see advantage of this. What's part of systeam I am don't need to install? ports? this is don't need released as package, when I need /usr/ports I am need it from svn (not from portsnap or else). src? also svn. separately userland parts? I am can't imagine how to install Kerberos separately. many other userland parts tightly intergrated together. Yes, I can build custom system with off some parts in src.conf, but this system will be very special and need some knowelege. > > > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > > > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > > > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > > > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > > > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > > > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > > > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). > > > > I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. > > Kernel and userland versions mismatch. > > glibc version incompatible with rpm. > > pkunzip.zip problem. > > And etc. > > I know what you're refering to. :-) > > On Linux, an "upgrade everything" process might involve a kernel > or a system library update not properly being dealt with in > "userland" (if I may abuse the term in this context). Now you > have a system that won't boot anymore, and you might not even > be able to reach a kind of maintenance mode (like FreeBSD's > single-user mode with /rescue) because somehow your fallback > kernel and libraries got deleted... > > Of course FreeBSD also can run into this kind of problem, but > the OS is always consistent. An upgrade does _not_ break the > OS. It _might_ break ports. During the course of -STABLE, this > usually does not happen (because the interfaces are stable). > That's why you always see the advice to recompile (or reinstall) > your ports when you move to a new major version, leaving the > path of -STABLE. >From last: pkg (utility `pkg), building on 10.2 can't be run on 10.1 because used newer symbols from libc.so. Now imagine system long time not updated. EoL is come in. How I upgrade this? pkg want to upgrade himself, fresh version for outdated system don't exist, new version can't be run... Deadlock? Next, how to upgrade system? kernel first? ok. for this case kernel can't be depend from userland packages. How to upgrade to correspondend userland packages? And we can got network unreachable system (I am remember time ifconfing interface change). What about -current? userland first? ok. Got new libs with missing syscals and we can't run any program. Now about embeded systems. -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2.4M Jul 27 01:16 /var/cache/pkg/pkg-1.5.5-20bbe78419.txz # ls -l /var/db/pkg/ total 2206 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 246 Aug 3 16:41 ivs.meta -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1384448 Aug 5 22:31 local.sqlite -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 342016 Aug 3 16:41 repo-ivs.sqlite -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 3804129 Sep 18 04:03 vuln.xml # du -hc `pkg info -l pkg` 6.1M total I.e. package management overhead about 11MB. Or I missing somewhere? Oh, I am need double space for system: .txz and expanded. And what advantage for this? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 18:47:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB3CA0552D for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:47:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C1C11FC5 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:47:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A0D03CCFF; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:47:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8JIljjb018554; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:47:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:47:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-Id: <20150919204745.eeb62abd.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150919172839.GC21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919184712.4d26f3f9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919172839.GC21849@zxy.spb.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 18:47:47 -0000 On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:28:39 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 06:47:12PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > As far as I could understand, pkg will deal with the components > > > > comprising the OS in the same manner as it does for the ports > > > > collection. So the kernel, the userland, the sources and so on > > > > will "become packages" for pkg to install or upgrade. This is > > > > a similar approach to common package management on Linux, except > > > > that Linux (as a term to summarize all the many distributions) > > > > doesn't have an OS ("the base OS") per se. > > > > > > This is very bad. > > > > Don't worry. The OS will still be maintained by the FreeBSD team. > > And the components which the OS is composed of will probably not > > be separated into hundreds of separate packages (as it is in > > Linux - where the distribution creators decide which packages > > belong to a base install, like, which package installer, which > > shell, X or no X, and so on). > > > > In the end, it might look like there are few additional packages > > that will be installed: sys_bin, sys_src, sys_ports and so on. > > An update you perform with freebsd-update will then be an update > > on the sys_* packages with pkg, leading to a binarily upgraded > > operating system. You then _can_ upgrade your ports collection, > > or you can leave it as is. This is the advantage of FreeBSD: > > The OS and the additionally installed (3rd party) software are > > beging dealt with independently. > > > > And this is good. :-) > > I am don't see advantage of this. > What's part of systeam I am don't need to install? The components won't be that separated. No direct "part of the system" will exist, like, "do I install sh, or can I live without it?"; I'd rather assume that there are only few packages that result in a fully functional (!) operating system. Still I hope the pkg approach will give you the flexibility of src.conf - to omit components you _really_ don't need, and where you _intend_ to leave them out. > ports? You don't need the ports tree installed to get the OS running. > this is don't need released as package, when I need /usr/ports > I am need it from svn (not from portsnap or else). Installing the ports tree via pkg is the same as installing the port tree via ports.txz - of course at the relase date. Subsequent additions can be made with svn or portsnap (binary upgrades to ports tree - this is what a pkg upgrade of the ports tree would probably look like). > src? also svn. When you simply want the RELEASE sources, installing svn and having it run is probably more work than simply downloading src.txz and uncompressing it into /usr/src - again, this is what pkg would do. > separately userland parts? I am can't imagine how to install Kerberos > separately. many other userland parts tightly intergrated together. The ports won't "fall apart", and they won't integrate much closer with the OS than they currently do. > Yes, I can build custom system with off some parts in src.conf, but > this system will be very special and need some knowelege. Exactly. That's why using pkg to install and upgrade the OS won't significantly change the way you install things. > > > > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > > > > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > > > > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > > > > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > > > > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > > > > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > > > > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). > > > > > > I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. > > > Kernel and userland versions mismatch. > > > glibc version incompatible with rpm. > > > pkunzip.zip problem. > > > And etc. > > > > I know what you're refering to. :-) > > > > On Linux, an "upgrade everything" process might involve a kernel > > or a system library update not properly being dealt with in > > "userland" (if I may abuse the term in this context). Now you > > have a system that won't boot anymore, and you might not even > > be able to reach a kind of maintenance mode (like FreeBSD's > > single-user mode with /rescue) because somehow your fallback > > kernel and libraries got deleted... > > > > Of course FreeBSD also can run into this kind of problem, but > > the OS is always consistent. An upgrade does _not_ break the > > OS. It _might_ break ports. During the course of -STABLE, this > > usually does not happen (because the interfaces are stable). > > That's why you always see the advice to recompile (or reinstall) > > your ports when you move to a new major version, leaving the > > path of -STABLE. > > From last: pkg (utility `pkg), building on 10.2 can't be run on 10.1 > because used newer symbols from libc.so. Now imagine system long time > not updated. EoL is come in. How I upgrade this? pkg want to upgrade > himself, fresh version for outdated system don't exist, new version > can't be run... Deadlock? I currently have a similar system here. No further updates possible, ports infrastructure has changed too much. Only solution: New installation. :-) The OS's pkg binary is just a bootstrap loader for the real one installed as a package. It's possible that the same approach will be kept when pkg manages the OS components. > Next, how to upgrade system? kernel first? ok. for this case kernel > can't be depend from userland packages. How to upgrade to > correspondend userland packages? I'd say that a "pkg upgrade" of the userland and the kernel have to go hand in hand, as it is suggested today, because kernel and world have to be in sync. The operation will be similar to what you do today with "freebsd-update upgrade". Of course this requires a good coupling between the pkg port and the (updated) OS. > And we can got network unreachable > system (I am remember time ifconfing interface change). No difference to how it's handled today. First, everything needed is downloaded, then the upgrade process starts, probably keeping a "fallback" solution available. If you're worried here, you should have a look at Boot Environments (as known from Solaris): FreeBSD + ZFS + beadm is a very good solution for preparing, testing, and maybe rolling back upgrades. > What about -current? The -CURRENT (or -HEAD) development branch will surely not be available via pkg upgrades. They are, as today, done from the source. > userland first? ok. Got new libs with missing syscals and we can't run > any program. Dynamic linking to the system's most essential library should not break things. Stable interfaces are very important here, so the upgrader won't be so stupid to shoot his own foot. :-) > Now about embeded systems. > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2.4M Jul 27 01:16 /var/cache/pkg/pkg-1.5.5-20bbe78419.txz > # ls -l /var/db/pkg/ > total 2206 > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 246 Aug 3 16:41 ivs.meta > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1384448 Aug 5 22:31 local.sqlite > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 342016 Aug 3 16:41 repo-ivs.sqlite > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 3804129 Sep 18 04:03 vuln.xml > # du -hc `pkg info -l pkg` > 6.1M total > > I.e. package management overhead about 11MB. Or I missing somewhere? > Oh, I am need double space for system: .txz and expanded. > > And what advantage for this? The pkg creators chose to transform the /var/db/pkg subtree and the text files into databases. The system provides libraries to query them. On my old FreeBSD 8 home system, /var/db/pkg is 44M in size. Please keep in mind that I'm just mentioning my own thoughts here. I'm not part of the pkg development team. If you have specific questions regarding the use and implementation of the upcoming OS updating mechanism, you should contact the designated maintainers. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 19:31:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5A29CF714 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 19:31:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D98211130 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 19:31:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdNqj-000LaJ-Iw; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:31:05 +0300 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:31:05 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150919193105.GD21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919184712.4d26f3f9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919172839.GC21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919204745.eeb62abd.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150919204745.eeb62abd.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 19:31:10 -0000 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 08:47:45PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > In the end, it might look like there are few additional packages > > > that will be installed: sys_bin, sys_src, sys_ports and so on. > > > An update you perform with freebsd-update will then be an update > > > on the sys_* packages with pkg, leading to a binarily upgraded > > > operating system. You then _can_ upgrade your ports collection, > > > or you can leave it as is. This is the advantage of FreeBSD: > > > The OS and the additionally installed (3rd party) software are > > > beging dealt with independently. > > > > > > And this is good. :-) > > > > I am don't see advantage of this. > > What's part of systeam I am don't need to install? > > The components won't be that separated. No direct "part of > the system" will exist, like, "do I install sh, or can I > live without it?"; I'd rather assume that there are only > few packages that result in a fully functional (!) operating > system. Still I hope the pkg approach will give you the > flexibility of src.conf - to omit components you _really_ > don't need, and where you _intend_ to leave them out. # man src.conf | col -b | grep -c WITH 227 and many items can't be do as packages. > > ports? > > You don't need the ports tree installed to get the OS running. > > > > > this is don't need released as package, when I need /usr/ports > > I am need it from svn (not from portsnap or else). > > Installing the ports tree via pkg is the same as installing > the port tree via ports.txz - of course at the relase date. > Subsequent additions can be made with svn or portsnap (binary you can't be update bu svn not svned ports tree. > upgrades to ports tree - this is what a pkg upgrade of the > ports tree would probably look like). if you need ports tree -- most likely you need ports tree modification and this is disallow binary upgrades to ports tree. > > > > src? also svn. > > When you simply want the RELEASE sources, installing svn and > having it run is probably more work than simply downloading > src.txz and uncompressing it into /usr/src - again, this is > what pkg would do. Many imporvement happened between releases. If you accpeted RELEASE -- you mostly accpeted GENERIC kernel and don't need source anyway. > > > > separately userland parts? I am can't imagine how to install Kerberos > > separately. many other userland parts tightly intergrated together. > > The ports won't "fall apart", and they won't integrate much > closer with the OS than they currently do. I am don't understand you. Why you talk this about ports? I am talk this about base systems. You can do WITHOUT_KERBEROS and WITHOUT_KERBEROS_SUPPORT and totaly remove kerberos suuport as library, binary and hooks in ssh, sshd, login and etc. How do this by pkg? > > Yes, I can build custom system with off some parts in src.conf, but > > this system will be very special and need some knowelege. > > Exactly. That's why using pkg to install and upgrade the OS > won't significantly change the way you install things. Hmm. kernel+userland as mega-package? Or how? > > > > > You can already see this kind of development: The documentation > > > > > has become a package, and the package manager itself is a > > > > > package (separated from the OS, which only contains a bootstrap > > > > > loader for the real program). Finally, the installation process > > > > > could become a task of "pkg install", instead of "tar xf". And > > > > > a unification of the infrastructures could lead to additional > > > > > benefits (only _one_ system for both components - OS and ports). > > > > > > > > I am have many troubles with this way in Linux. > > > > Kernel and userland versions mismatch. > > > > glibc version incompatible with rpm. > > > > pkunzip.zip problem. > > > > And etc. > > > > > > I know what you're refering to. :-) > > > > > > On Linux, an "upgrade everything" process might involve a kernel > > > or a system library update not properly being dealt with in > > > "userland" (if I may abuse the term in this context). Now you > > > have a system that won't boot anymore, and you might not even > > > be able to reach a kind of maintenance mode (like FreeBSD's > > > single-user mode with /rescue) because somehow your fallback > > > kernel and libraries got deleted... > > > > > > Of course FreeBSD also can run into this kind of problem, but > > > the OS is always consistent. An upgrade does _not_ break the > > > OS. It _might_ break ports. During the course of -STABLE, this > > > usually does not happen (because the interfaces are stable). > > > That's why you always see the advice to recompile (or reinstall) > > > your ports when you move to a new major version, leaving the > > > path of -STABLE. > > > > From last: pkg (utility `pkg), building on 10.2 can't be run on 10.1 > > because used newer symbols from libc.so. Now imagine system long time > > not updated. EoL is come in. How I upgrade this? pkg want to upgrade > > himself, fresh version for outdated system don't exist, new version > > can't be run... Deadlock? > > I currently have a similar system here. No further updates > possible, ports infrastructure has changed too much. Only > solution: New installation. :-) A am talk about base system. Ports may be additional troubles (you software need php52, php52 absent in modern ports tree, for example). For base system you can update (from svn) to last minor version, build and install, update to last supported version by source update and repeat. This is about source upgrade. For i386 to amd64 you need some tricks. Binary upgrade by freebsd-update may be problematic, yes. Now I play with upgrades by untar base/kernel.txz and zfs bootenv. > The OS's pkg binary is just a bootstrap loader for the real > one installed as a package. It's possible that the same > approach will be kept when pkg manages the OS components. And I am talk about imposible loading real one. > > > > Next, how to upgrade system? kernel first? ok. for this case kernel > > can't be depend from userland packages. How to upgrade to > > correspondend userland packages? > > I'd say that a "pkg upgrade" of the userland and the kernel > have to go hand in hand, as it is suggested today, because > kernel and world have to be in sync. The operation will be > similar to what you do today with "freebsd-update upgrade". > Of course this requires a good coupling between the pkg port > and the (updated) OS. Upgrading kernel and userland don't match pkg ideology, IMHO. > > And we can got network unreachable > > system (I am remember time ifconfing interface change). > > No difference to how it's handled today. First, everything > needed is downloaded, then the upgrade process starts, > probably keeping a "fallback" solution available. > If you're worried here, you should have a look at Boot > Environments (as known from Solaris): FreeBSD + ZFS + beadm > is a very good solution for preparing, testing, and maybe > rolling back upgrades. Not now. bsdinstall now use very bad partioning for BE. > > > What about -current? > > The -CURRENT (or -HEAD) development branch will surely not > be available via pkg upgrades. They are, as today, done from > the source. Shit, you talk about unification and SUDDENLY we got two, incopatible way -- for current and fro stable. > > userland first? ok. Got new libs with missing syscals and we can't run > > any program. > > Dynamic linking to the system's most essential library should > not break things. Stable interfaces are very important here, > so the upgrader won't be so stupid to shoot his own foot. :-) I am talk about reality. Staticaly linked svn, build on 9.x, don't run on 6.x system by missinc syscal. This is fact. As result I am build svn on 6.x system in VirtualBox. I.e. updating to new libraray and old kernel may cause stop running any program. > > > Now about embeded systems. > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2.4M Jul 27 01:16 /var/cache/pkg/pkg-1.5.5-20bbe78419.txz > > # ls -l /var/db/pkg/ > > total 2206 > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 246 Aug 3 16:41 ivs.meta > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1384448 Aug 5 22:31 local.sqlite > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 342016 Aug 3 16:41 repo-ivs.sqlite > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 3804129 Sep 18 04:03 vuln.xml > > # du -hc `pkg info -l pkg` > > 6.1M total > > > > I.e. package management overhead about 11MB. Or I missing somewhere? > > Oh, I am need double space for system: .txz and expanded. > > > > And what advantage for this? > > The pkg creators chose to transform the /var/db/pkg subtree > and the text files into databases. The system provides libraries > to query them. On my old FreeBSD 8 home system, /var/db/pkg > is 44M in size. This is size for mostly free system. This is close to just installed pkg. > Please keep in mind that I'm just mentioning my own thoughts > here. I'm not part of the pkg development team. If you have > specific questions regarding the use and implementation of > the upcoming OS updating mechanism, you should contact the > designated maintainers. Who maintained this? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 20:04:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66A69A05656 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:04:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobyslight@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com (mail-wi0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1DDE1ED2 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:04:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobyslight@gmail.com) Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so100908719wic.0 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=WBqxbL+iLdWzOuYGP7tm2/9V7Yefn3BDN+JSVVc/89E=; b=FWsRxog8ib+tz9oxNLT1oyEE7LANhJ4Feh5DmwJRYRkTKDYBR4NX4HuhyRiJHtJRCR DyU7aQUqWd4QS6XgZzVzud/iFIu4GWz+OseRwmhOB05gR7dGsp9d34YqhP2tjUp1Qd8e 8Bh6QLP0GZbqXXzYxs8foH7I3K8+Ntb/Y+bkMNxpYTwF/4v0vYhIFMnRF7YEMFHdRfV3 HUGw1BdJlNLOmKa4CqxPnfpKzs+UOSaJqwJ0f9iO5EYYJDTCSwcxxPHqka/0YnhKsp1u eLtXmIN2e6CmCTbCeauKM6tYEB6ZDk86Th/t5uwOvCvKj+36A4oYEL+s/jfFYkwxAYuF jJkw== X-Received: by 10.194.84.238 with SMTP id c14mr13764696wjz.33.1442693068315; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:04:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.27.179.33 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:03:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Toby Slight Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:03:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: 10.2 Encrypted UFS install always fails To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:04:31 -0000 Hi there, I have tried 3 times on 2 separate devices (ThinkPad T430 and Gigabyte Brix GB-BXBT-2807), to do an encrypted UFS install of 10.2, following the instructions found here: http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/fde Every time I end up at the screen pictured below, after a panic: http://i.imgur.com/p61geNS.jpg Is there something missing from that guide? Some change in 10.2 that it doesn't account for? Or does anyone have any other ideas where I might be going wrong? To paraphrase my disk setup procedure: gpart create -s gpt ada0 gpart add -t freebsd-boot -s 512k -a 4k ada0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l bootfs -s 1g -a 1m ada0 gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l encrypted -a 1m ada0 gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 geli init -b -s 4096 ada0p3 geli attach ada0p3 newfs -U /dev/ada0p2 newfs -U /dev/ada0p3.eli mount /dev/ada0p3.eli /mnt mkdir /mnt/unenc mount /dev/ada0p2 /mnt/unenc mkdir /mnt/unenc/boot ln -s unenc/boot /mnt/boot vi /tmp/bsdinstall_etc/fstab vi /tmp/bsdinstall_boot/loader.conf fstab: /dev/ada0p2 /unenc ufs rw,noatime 1 1 /dev/ada0p3.eli / ufs rw,noatime 2 2 loader.conf: geom_eli_load="YES" vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:ada0p3.eli" aesni_load="YES Any ideas? -- 0x2b || !0x2b From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 20:14:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D148A05AE5 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20F7714D9 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:14:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-125-111.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.125.111]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86D0C24F62; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:06:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t8JK6w2r018724; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:06:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:06:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Slawa Olhovchenkov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-Id: <20150919220658.07d652f7.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150919193105.GD21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <86vbb7dhaa.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919184712.4d26f3f9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919172839.GC21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919204745.eeb62abd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919193105.GD21849@zxy.spb.ru> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:14:52 -0000 On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:31:05 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 08:47:45PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > In the end, it might look like there are few additional packages > > > > that will be installed: sys_bin, sys_src, sys_ports and so on. > > > > An update you perform with freebsd-update will then be an update > > > > on the sys_* packages with pkg, leading to a binarily upgraded > > > > operating system. You then _can_ upgrade your ports collection, > > > > or you can leave it as is. This is the advantage of FreeBSD: > > > > The OS and the additionally installed (3rd party) software are > > > > beging dealt with independently. > > > > > > > > And this is good. :-) > > > > > > I am don't see advantage of this. > > > What's part of systeam I am don't need to install? > > > > The components won't be that separated. No direct "part of > > the system" will exist, like, "do I install sh, or can I > > live without it?"; I'd rather assume that there are only > > few packages that result in a fully functional (!) operating > > system. Still I hope the pkg approach will give you the > > flexibility of src.conf - to omit components you _really_ > > don't need, and where you _intend_ to leave them out. > > # man src.conf | col -b | grep -c WITH > 227 > > and many items can't be do as packages. Correct. I think the approach with pkg for the OS will be the same as with most packages: A predefined set of options will be the default, from which the packages are built. If you _intend_ to use nonstandard options, use the source Luke and compile the things yourself. You simply cannot maintain 2^227+ packages. :-) > > > this is don't need released as package, when I need /usr/ports > > > I am need it from svn (not from portsnap or else). > > > > Installing the ports tree via pkg is the same as installing > > the port tree via ports.txz - of course at the relase date. > > Subsequent additions can be made with svn or portsnap (binary > > you can't be update bu svn not svned ports tree. It's recommended to obtain a "clean" ports tree (initial checkout) when you want to use svn; if you're going to stay with portsnap, you can do this from a RELEASE ports tree version without problems. > > upgrades to ports tree - this is what a pkg upgrade of the > > ports tree would probably look like). > > if you need ports tree -- most likely you need ports tree modification > and this is disallow binary upgrades to ports tree. For everything non-standard, poudriere is a nice tool. Of course you can use "pkg lock" / "pkg unlock" if you know what you're doing (and if it's just about less than a handful of ports). > > > src? also svn. > > > > When you simply want the RELEASE sources, installing svn and > > having it run is probably more work than simply downloading > > src.txz and uncompressing it into /usr/src - again, this is > > what pkg would do. > > Many imporvement happened between releases. > If you accpeted RELEASE -- you mostly accpeted GENERIC kernel and > don't need source anyway. Correct - except you _intendedly_ want a non-GENERIC kernel. In this case, you use the source version you want, updated the way you chose. Anyway, if this is a concern, you _know_ what you're doing. Dealing with sources, even though easy, is nothing the typical "n00b" user will do. :-) > You can do WITHOUT_KERBEROS and WITHOUT_KERBEROS_SUPPORT and totaly > remove kerberos suuport as library, binary and hooks in ssh, sshd, > login and etc. How do this by pkg? Probably you _don't_ do this with pkg. As I said in comparison to ports (or regarding the OS, in relation to freebsd-update), you do this from source. Binary packages simply _cannot_ accomodate to exponentionally growing amounts of variations of options set or not set. :-) > > > Yes, I can build custom system with off some parts in src.conf, but > > > this system will be very special and need some knowelege. > > > > Exactly. That's why using pkg to install and upgrade the OS > > won't significantly change the way you install things. > > Hmm. kernel+userland as mega-package? Or how? Yes, I'd say that this is how it will be designed, compare to kernel.txz + base.txz, as the installer (bsdinstall) would use them. Of course it would also be possible to use "sub-packages", each one representing a part of the /usr/src subtree, but I assume this would be the wrong way go - "dependency hell" preprogrammed. :-) > Ports may be additional troubles (you software need php52, php52 > absent in modern ports tree, for example). Right. Those are typical edge cases where the default options and the precompiled binaries won't work. Just imagine media software like mplayer: with all the codecs (introduces new dependencies!) or only few ones, with mencoder or not, with gmplayer/gmencoder GUI or not, with skins or not... there cannot be packages for every imaginable case. > > The OS's pkg binary is just a bootstrap loader for the real > > one installed as a package. It's possible that the same > > approach will be kept when pkg manages the OS components. > > And I am talk about imposible loading real one. Without network connection - a big problem. But what's the use of a binary upgrading tool without being able to reach the remote source required? :-) The idea of moving pkg out of the OS is - if I understood the statements of its maintainers correctly - to allow faster development and improvement of the pkg tool. It's not directly tied to the system anymore (as the pkg_* tools were), and because of that, it's a port, not an OS component. The "not so fast changing" bootstrap loader therefore only will get you "the real thing". > > > Next, how to upgrade system? kernel first? ok. for this case kernel > > > can't be depend from userland packages. How to upgrade to > > > correspondend userland packages? > > > > I'd say that a "pkg upgrade" of the userland and the kernel > > have to go hand in hand, as it is suggested today, because > > kernel and world have to be in sync. The operation will be > > similar to what you do today with "freebsd-update upgrade". > > Of course this requires a good coupling between the pkg port > > and the (updated) OS. > > Upgrading kernel and userland don't match pkg ideology, IMHO. That's a possible and valid way to see things: pkg is the successor of the old pkg_* tools, which dealt with ports, not with the OS. > > If you're worried here, you should have a look at Boot > > Environments (as known from Solaris): FreeBSD + ZFS + beadm > > is a very good solution for preparing, testing, and maybe > > rolling back upgrades. > > Not now. bsdinstall now use very bad partioning for BE. When dealing with ZFS, I prefer not to deal with bsdinstall and its "sane defaults"... it makes life easier. :-) > > > What about -current? > > > > The -CURRENT (or -HEAD) development branch will surely not > > be available via pkg upgrades. They are, as today, done from > > the source. > > Shit, you talk about unification and SUDDENLY we got two, incopatible > way -- for current and fro stable. It has always been that way: -CURRENT (or -HEAD) is a development branch. It's not stable. There are times where the -CURRENT version crashes right away. Sometimes, it won't even build! Update some hours later, and it works again. Experimental features may be introduced in -CURRENT, and two weeks later, those features have been removed. There sometimes are (binary) snapshots. Then, -STABLE is the branch where "refinement" takes place: It is the branch from which -RELEASE will be "distilled". The branches freebsd-update can follow are -RELEASE and the errata branch -RELEASE-pN (where N is the patchlevel). For following -STABLE or -HEAD, you _have to_ use the source Luke (except for the snapshots mentioned). > > > userland first? ok. Got new libs with missing syscals and we can't run > > > any program. > > > > Dynamic linking to the system's most essential library should > > not break things. Stable interfaces are very important here, > > so the upgrader won't be so stupid to shoot his own foot. :-) > > I am talk about reality. Staticaly linked svn, build on 9.x, don't run > on 6.x system by missinc syscal. This is fact. As result I am build > svn on 6.x system in VirtualBox. Of course, because v6 and v9 are not using the same ABI (and API). This is only guaranteed on -STABLE. If you need to run v6 software on a v9 system, the compat6x-i386 port, for example, can be used to privode "downward compatibility"; "upward compatibility" requires a time machine. :-) > > Please keep in mind that I'm just mentioning my own thoughts > > here. I'm not part of the pkg development team. If you have > > specific questions regarding the use and implementation of > > the upcoming OS updating mechanism, you should contact the > > designated maintainers. > > Who maintained this? Check out "man pkg": "Please direct questions and issues to the pkg@FreeBSD.org mailing list." as well as its "AUTHORS AND CONTRIBUTORS" section. Also see the list of authors here: https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/blob/master/AUTHORS They might know (much better than me) how things are going to be developed, and what plans they have for the future. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 20:53:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8369CFC2D for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:53:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobyslight@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wi0-x22c.google.com (mail-wi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14C721462 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:53:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobyslight@gmail.com) Received: by wiclk2 with SMTP id lk2so67432438wic.1 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=5A+jaK8TIr3ctEPuxyzGZ3Yfcn6m4QAGnfsGB05ic60=; b=grQKUt68P/UkPCYr/lvrEDnL4EWC6ext9gBm68s3XCKMXKQI594w68nTFajgYTt4pI g7AkrgiZFx2csb0BF+jXIT6rnMuALNIn/M97AqZpJJp7duficIONM3Su+eB7N8XmxJwF YWQN9zULmMv9L4ZAFXofb/OWYhTLjSWB51Pclwy2GXWNU+b/QTNeoKX4fhkAsBcr1eMi Ov3msBsnkxLvznwYN34DAz/zFhX+KlQeNnRvUTEdRiGNF0UqX2Y5TW1UhEiAekf+1CRg kGNMmj1uxj3GVgvBahwf+YDBKW64fjKTIPRMq4FHPafIzmJrnkm1ps+JgChyEui46LRx v42Q== X-Received: by 10.180.188.101 with SMTP id fz5mr5484401wic.3.1442696003048; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.27.179.33 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:52:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Toby Slight Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 21:52:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: 10.2 Encrypted UFS install always fails To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 20:53:25 -0000 On 19 September 2015 at 21:03, Toby Slight wrote: > Hi there, > > I have tried 3 times on 2 separate devices (ThinkPad T430 and Gigabyte > Brix GB-BXBT-2807), to do an encrypted UFS install of 10.2, following the > instructions found here: > > http://www.bsdnow.tv/tutorials/fde > > Every time I end up at the screen pictured below, after a panic: > > http://i.imgur.com/p61geNS.jpg > > Is there something missing from that guide? Some change in 10.2 that it > doesn't account for? Or does anyone have any other ideas where I might be > going wrong? > > To paraphrase my disk setup procedure: > > gpart create -s gpt ada0 > gpart add -t freebsd-boot -s 512k -a 4k ada0 > gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l bootfs -s 1g -a 1m ada0 > gpart add -t freebsd-ufs -l encrypted -a 1m ada0 > gpart bootcode -b /boot/pmbr -p /boot/gptboot -i 1 ada0 > geli init -b -s 4096 ada0p3 > geli attach ada0p3 > newfs -U /dev/ada0p2 > newfs -U /dev/ada0p3.eli > mount /dev/ada0p3.eli /mnt > mkdir /mnt/unenc > mount /dev/ada0p2 /mnt/unenc > mkdir /mnt/unenc/boot > ln -s unenc/boot /mnt/boot > vi /tmp/bsdinstall_etc/fstab > vi /tmp/bsdinstall_boot/loader.conf > > fstab: > > /dev/ada0p2 /unenc ufs rw,noatime 1 1 > /dev/ada0p3.eli / ufs rw,noatime 2 2 > > loader.conf: > > geom_eli_load="YES" > vfs.root.mountfrom="ufs:ada0p3.eli" > aesni_load="YES > > Any ideas? > Forgot to mention that a standard, encrypted ZFS install (using the built in utility) works flawlessly every time on both devices. -- 0x2b || !0x2b From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Sep 19 22:02:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE599CEAF4 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from zxy.spb.ru (zxy.spb.ru [195.70.199.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 738B71D91 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:02:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slw@zxy.spb.ru) Received: from slw by zxy.spb.ru with local (Exim 4.84 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZdQD8-000OLd-VB; Sun, 20 Sep 2015 01:02:22 +0300 Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 01:02:22 +0300 From: Slawa Olhovchenkov To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTPS on freebsd.org, git, reproducible builds Message-ID: <20150919220222.GE21849@zxy.spb.ru> References: <20150918134804.GU3158@zxy.spb.ru> <86oagzwf8j.fsf@nine.des.no> <20150919125023.GA21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919151517.739ab70a.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919133248.GB21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919184712.4d26f3f9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919172839.GC21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919204745.eeb62abd.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150919193105.GD21849@zxy.spb.ru> <20150919220658.07d652f7.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150919220658.07d652f7.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: slw@zxy.spb.ru X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zxy.spb.ru); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:02:26 -0000 On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 10:06:58PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 22:31:05 +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 08:47:45PM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > > > > > In the end, it might look like there are few additional packages > > > > > that will be installed: sys_bin, sys_src, sys_ports and so on. > > > > > An update you perform with freebsd-update will then be an update > > > > > on the sys_* packages with pkg, leading to a binarily upgraded > > > > > operating system. You then _can_ upgrade your ports collection, > > > > > or you can leave it as is. This is the advantage of FreeBSD: > > > > > The OS and the additionally installed (3rd party) software are > > > > > beging dealt with independently. > > > > > > > > > > And this is good. :-) > > > > > > > > I am don't see advantage of this. > > > > What's part of systeam I am don't need to install? > > > > > > The components won't be that separated. No direct "part of > > > the system" will exist, like, "do I install sh, or can I > > > live without it?"; I'd rather assume that there are only > > > few packages that result in a fully functional (!) operating > > > system. Still I hope the pkg approach will give you the > > > flexibility of src.conf - to omit components you _really_ > > > don't need, and where you _intend_ to leave them out. > > > > # man src.conf | col -b | grep -c WITH > > 227 > > > > and many items can't be do as packages. > > Correct. I think the approach with pkg for the OS will be > the same as with most packages: A predefined set of options > will be the default, from which the packages are built. If > you _intend_ to use nonstandard options, use the source Luke > and compile the things yourself. You simply cannot maintain > 2^227+ packages. :-) I am ask about breaking base system to packages. I am point to some troubles. What you propolsal? > > > > src? also svn. > > > > > > When you simply want the RELEASE sources, installing svn and > > > having it run is probably more work than simply downloading > > > src.txz and uncompressing it into /usr/src - again, this is > > > what pkg would do. > > > > Many imporvement happened between releases. > > If you accpeted RELEASE -- you mostly accpeted GENERIC kernel and > > don't need source anyway. > > Correct - except you _intendedly_ want a non-GENERIC kernel. Now in GENERIC kernel included NETMAP and IPSEC. This is cover 99% cases (when RELEASE is acceptable). > > You can do WITHOUT_KERBEROS and WITHOUT_KERBEROS_SUPPORT and totaly > > remove kerberos suuport as library, binary and hooks in ssh, sshd, > > login and etc. How do this by pkg? > > Probably you _don't_ do this with pkg. As I said in comparison > to ports (or regarding the OS, in relation to freebsd-update), > you do this from source. Binary packages simply _cannot_ accomodate > to exponentionally growing amounts of variations of options set > or not set. :-) And I am again ask about you propolsal breaking base system to packages. What breaking in separated packages? > > > The OS's pkg binary is just a bootstrap loader for the real > > > one installed as a package. It's possible that the same > > > approach will be kept when pkg manages the OS components. > > > > And I am talk about imposible loading real one. > > Without network connection - a big problem. But what's the I am talk about updating outdated system, w/o fresh pkg (beacuse you version is not maintaned some years) and requiment fresh pkg (because repository with new OS incopatible with you pkg). > use of a binary upgrading tool without being able to reach > the remote source required? :-) For example -- upgrade in isolated network, from CD/USB. > The idea of moving pkg out of the OS is - if I understood > the statements of its maintainers correctly - to allow > faster development and improvement of the pkg tool. It's > not directly tied to the system anymore (as the pkg_* tools > were), and because of that, it's a port, not an OS component. > The "not so fast changing" bootstrap loader therefore only > will get you "the real thing". Hm. I am not discus about replacing pkg_* by pkg. This replacement give more advantge than troubles. > > > > Next, how to upgrade system? kernel first? ok. for this case kernel > > > > can't be depend from userland packages. How to upgrade to > > > > correspondend userland packages? > > > > > > I'd say that a "pkg upgrade" of the userland and the kernel > > > have to go hand in hand, as it is suggested today, because > > > kernel and world have to be in sync. The operation will be > > > similar to what you do today with "freebsd-update upgrade". > > > Of course this requires a good coupling between the pkg port > > > and the (updated) OS. > > > > Upgrading kernel and userland don't match pkg ideology, IMHO. > > That's a possible and valid way to see things: pkg is the > successor of the old pkg_* tools, which dealt with ports, > not with the OS. I think you talk about maintaing base system as .txz pkg? > > > If you're worried here, you should have a look at Boot > > > Environments (as known from Solaris): FreeBSD + ZFS + beadm > > > is a very good solution for preparing, testing, and maybe > > > rolling back upgrades. > > > > Not now. bsdinstall now use very bad partioning for BE. > > When dealing with ZFS, I prefer not to deal with bsdinstall > and its "sane defaults"... it makes life easier. :-) To many manual works, to many studing. I think standart install must use best practics. > > > > What about -current? > > > > > > The -CURRENT (or -HEAD) development branch will surely not > > > be available via pkg upgrades. They are, as today, done from > > > the source. > > > > Shit, you talk about unification and SUDDENLY we got two, incopatible > > way -- for current and fro stable. > > It has always been that way: -CURRENT (or -HEAD) is a development > branch. It's not stable. There are times where the -CURRENT > version crashes right away. Sometimes, it won't even build! Update > some hours later, and it works again. Experimental features may > be introduced in -CURRENT, and two weeks later, those features > have been removed. There sometimes are (binary) snapshots. Then, > -STABLE is the branch where "refinement" takes place: It is the > branch from which -RELEASE will be "distilled". How you plan to testing -STABLE if -CURRENT building in differnet way? Eating your own dog food. > The branches freebsd-update can follow are -RELEASE and the and freebsd-update is gone, right? > errata branch -RELEASE-pN (where N is the patchlevel). For > following -STABLE or -HEAD, you _have to_ use the source Luke > (except for the snapshots mentioned). and no stadrart way to use snapshots to update, yes? > > > > userland first? ok. Got new libs with missing syscals and we can't run > > > > any program. > > > > > > Dynamic linking to the system's most essential library should > > > not break things. Stable interfaces are very important here, > > > so the upgrader won't be so stupid to shoot his own foot. :-) > > > > I am talk about reality. Staticaly linked svn, build on 9.x, don't run > > on 6.x system by missinc syscal. This is fact. As result I am build > > svn on 6.x system in VirtualBox. > > Of course, because v6 and v9 are not using the same ABI (and API). > This is only guaranteed on -STABLE. If you need to run v6 software > on a v9 system, the compat6x-i386 port, for example, can be used > to privode "downward compatibility"; "upward compatibility" requires > a time machine. :-) You propolsal requires a time machine, because for upgrading outdated system requires run pkg from new OS on outdated OS. > > > Please keep in mind that I'm just mentioning my own thoughts > > > here. I'm not part of the pkg development team. If you have > > > specific questions regarding the use and implementation of > > > the upcoming OS updating mechanism, you should contact the > > > designated maintainers. > > > > Who maintained this? > > Check out "man pkg": "Please direct questions and issues to the > pkg@FreeBSD.org mailing list." as well as its "AUTHORS AND > CONTRIBUTORS" section. > > Also see the list of authors here: > > https://github.com/freebsd/pkg/blob/master/AUTHORS > > They might know (much better than me) how things are going to be > developed, and what plans they have for the future. I am ask about maintainers of breaking OS to pkg.