From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 19 04:57:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17F037D683 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 04:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8Xf35WKmz48mL for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 04:57:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (lfbn-idf2-1-434-144.w86-246.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.246.142.144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A582211D44 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 04:57:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1595134632; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8KxFqI88ZSGteM8QYrtoGXicilpA+ROhUp0nCAa6fAg=; b=jR0CW4sou566AN06GgmxSFS2PHqiskYssND1FWSlZwpas8hqKrUEiop5+anArGjHQMg564 bNWMlegt/3QUddW2kTKuYp5xuA1qsxq6piC5nU88j7cf+uWwVBWDPya304QBl6CHWo8lOX ic1JHLdo4RKg/x96W4sp6xsL5fik2XQ= Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7413C119F2 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 06:57:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 06:57:11 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bluetooth Message-ID: <20200719045711.GD55754@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200717152702.GF92524@mithril> <20200717190030.GD30026@mithril> <20200718100856.GA55754@mithril> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.60 X-Rspamd-Server: mail.foucry.net X-Spam-Score: -2.60 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8Xf35WKmz48mL X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=foucry.net header.s=dkim header.b=jR0CW4so; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.17 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[foucry.net:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.015]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.984]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[foucry.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.673]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 04:57:16 -0000 Le samedi 18 juil. 2020 à 16:37:00 (+0530), Manish Jain à écrit: Hello Mnish, > Hi Jacques, > > AFAIK, no bluetooth adapters of the current generation are supported by > FreeBSD. The last time I checked - a couple of months back - there was > no bluetooth adapter available in the market which could work with > FreeBSD. 10% of them work with Linux. Oh! Thanks for clarifing the situation… I will stop my search and spent my energy om a another direction. -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 19 13:20:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C0835ED9B for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:20:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd41.google.com (mail-io1-xd41.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d41]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8lq33FL9z4Z73 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd41.google.com with SMTP id l17so14895859iok.7 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 06:20:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1u9yOCQPmFI4CuOnHSayE/ntGa4+GDiJW2qfxUWIdTU=; b=UQ9CKZkGxTqJxapD/ArvkkonjAD6XIwiPDohiXJc92N48pCQtSX+fdBFbE2AbQ+EfC 62Yzqq7uk0QA6vM37hLqzFDn4hSoG+SWiPDRAaBI7u7Lsk5XtEXR5QxvAXJ7I/vkiZVN aunC/i2KpfxX+nIo/My5tGR1KsdwymYYzcwmYGAgpmOc+1rrrpNxvIaOpfqgKsU/hhpT 2/Yg5oRrnM6DIBRo/zNG0rtPUUyap1QG4Kb03YKJPr2tyh3bnb8oQc4craA2VtkpClkX NMuukgVmB2QzGcFpBxdDq2rW0XG019LxjpKIqU2awDDzPdAuzO4O9IJ7bc9UnP+hzK3y MIRw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=1u9yOCQPmFI4CuOnHSayE/ntGa4+GDiJW2qfxUWIdTU=; b=aJud886uOqX1uoHNtCWZh0Z8kuYHtko9Jwy+TAXQL0yXmktyHPlQ6cifXUeTMJOahF vOrQEuswtVhBb40UZZ/oeIjTL8xoEUs1h/+aTYd+s2LRvaVfhVI7LEsfgIpCWpgg+p8m 7MEqcQZNtq1lWjTzQp6q/2qxHRjJdAJQ4dHV+Vz/AkfrqL287vjYFZeQ729TsTm2tpCs 7zlhAG6CKCFRSkbVw/PDyfARHSqwXqyO0ZwJ4mOLYuAgWchUCr1J7i2MFmCOjhmCVj8Y AKtUhQXO1gxIN9EmDBFu9XbOF8oWZWj2ycisn5utkR/0HuwdNO7Rf7ekD01pEW4yR3f+ uU2Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532k62VCXogEjZFa0IwIVM733PmEng3tu4F/Ile5WTBTIwV5guZU HPtOZebfX43Vkg85kLCBSxpXjDMhAhxxAppi8MkvbyFKWnyqrQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzA0+6gPmA+eXiXb2XSlfp8/3MbKOOurpU++YBUc2sWz50yzvwcURiCxQhd6tY+n6aJSGX4/I2APYEhe2Nllfw= X-Received: by 2002:a02:7419:: with SMTP id o25mr20241873jac.46.1595164846017; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 06:20:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 09:20:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Strange Error 5 on Real Hardware (Question) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8lq33FL9z4Z73 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=UQ9CKZkG; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d41 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.10 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.15)[-0.148]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.34)[0.343]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.10)[0.105]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d41:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:20:48 -0000 Hi All, Hope that everyone is doing well today. I have been building mfsBSD images for testing on real hardware and have been using the FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 iso to do it. Now, I have a procedure for building the base mfsBSD (90MB) and also the "mini" mfsBSD (27MB) images. Working on adding packages and stuff next. The real hardware is as older system that I have: Test system: HP Pavilion p7-1240 AMD A10-5700 3.4 GHz Quad Core Desktop I also have a little bit stronger system Dell PowerEdge C6220 SFF 4 Node Server 8x Xeon E5-2650 256GB RAM 4x 2TB 2.5" HD for 2nd stage testing later once I can get things to work on the smaller desktop What seems to be strange here is that the FreeBSD disc1: https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso boot up just fine on the Desktop and I do not have any problems, but when I build the mfsBSD images which boot up fine on a Virtualbox VM that I have running on Debian 10 right now, they do not boot up on the real hardware and I get this strange "Error 5": Error 5 Unretryable Error Cddone Got back 0x5 back Read(10) CDB CAM Status SCSI Status Error SCSI Status: Check Condition SCSI Sense: Medium Error ASC 11,5 Maybe I need to add some kernel modules to the mfsBSD build, but I really not sure as I am still pretty new to FreeBSD while migrating from the Linux world more and more. Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 19 14:03:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BED360419 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:03:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd43.google.com (mail-io1-xd43.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8mmT46Nyz4cYQ for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:03:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd43.google.com with SMTP id e64so14959656iof.12 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=u+TDgAdwqPtr1cFV5jBiW95pbJ9DAzYUOQeJPeirnXA=; b=092uEJUoPfaTNv+WCkNQF8vqHWJqs7fGd9LlG8VJLX3S7A7duXaotZdTSMNeo/Wl49 /DKRSReikm3+M7kIoZAwiXVcmm5v5damEGlXawP5b7WtBaYSz4An9jAZhSghTrLjdp7n dtB/z7tx5Tn6RVfv6W1wDiuSeQFSCrvSubzz0g0T83f2MXgx+VkF9BPt8gY+mBztwRCQ kPBzYxDIxsR161F96/KNDWLcu3AU2FxdQm21ZvEwmpPGd7j64BScUb4qLmQUAHR93Jjw cSrxhfVQNkI5nsmK4P7QbYOlozcVGRagTrMEdxhscR/rHnFQ1qxeGS6PP8I8Y9RVUzIG L8fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=u+TDgAdwqPtr1cFV5jBiW95pbJ9DAzYUOQeJPeirnXA=; b=QVbCQD0qrgkHpIqRJPFa/8GAG1bUoNCGJRIju9tThmE6wWbFPlWzOYTVgHTCxodqqJ SShUh0TQLBCcatmEF9MNrd9v99HI3hsY2mgGmQPiV5ebaldubvriuzhGvYTZi+3Igwcn nSeoiHiyxFUJebaM1ezIR/fuptYS3V2LoDcbR+vH+UygIAvs+h6hQZFUbTQrWd+Lm/aA IRK8XequaM8iKwywPwwk/fFNg1OfdOcr9oRdKqiVAOfBgOQXYv9vEEo1YDhKqAEhNyPy JKLVA8aY/aXJ15zBJamdMZFdxaGosKxUX/QFk8s6LwHNjQBnEyxObCDTaY3w8XKDsszc nwUA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532uI2MzZ4nDNSBOi+qTYjjQqcOwGDoD3X+0tMlZ2jtY5eNFsOVF WES4k2eIY2p3X3gUiHYxPWw3Sr/wDyeZn79BiagnEaJLb5w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyiG86SuDuMrPKIbw53PAEyNKwXOfsWgNt+Rs3MGNKI1nNiIyIMHcL5B44ns1KudOhwlWuIldJQwRYtMrOC6hY= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:9347:: with SMTP id i7mr18352923ioo.40.1595167416060; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 07:03:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Strange Error 5 on Real Hardware (Question) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8mmT46Nyz4cYQ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=092uEJUo; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.59 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.18)[-0.181]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.10)[0.097]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d43:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.31)[-0.308]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:03:38 -0000 Hi All, Just an update on my effort. I have just found that the mfsBSD "SE" version boots on my real hardware so it does, in fact, seem like a driver problem. I am going to investigate the differences in the drivers for the mfsBSD "SE" and mfsBSD "mini" versions to see what is different as they are both building from the same FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 disc1. Cheers, Lonnie On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:20 AM Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Hi All, > > Hope that everyone is doing well today. > > I have been building mfsBSD images for testing on real hardware and have > been using the FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 iso to do it. Now, I have a procedure > for building the base mfsBSD (90MB) and also the "mini" mfsBSD (27MB) > images. Working on adding packages and stuff next. > > The real hardware is as older system that I have: > > Test system: > HP Pavilion p7-1240 AMD A10-5700 3.4 GHz Quad Core Desktop > > I also have a little bit stronger system > > Dell PowerEdge C6220 SFF 4 Node Server 8x Xeon E5-2650 256GB RAM 4x 2TB > 2.5" HD > > for 2nd stage testing later once I can get things to work on the smaller > desktop > > What seems to be strange here is that the FreeBSD disc1: > > > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso > > boot up just fine on the Desktop and I do not have any problems, but when > I build the mfsBSD images which boot up fine on a Virtualbox VM that I > have running on Debian 10 right now, they do not boot up on the real > hardware and I get this strange "Error 5": > > Error 5 Unretryable Error > Cddone Got back 0x5 back > Read(10) CDB > CAM Status SCSI Status Error > SCSI Status: Check Condition > SCSI Sense: Medium Error ASC 11,5 > > Maybe I need to add some kernel modules to the mfsBSD build, but I really > not sure as I am still pretty new to FreeBSD while migrating from the Linux > world more and more. > > Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance. > Lonnie > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 19 16:12:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D59362CB1 for ; 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I just found how to add modules to mfsBSD and have fixed the hardware problem on Desktop system. Have a great day, Lonnie On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 10:03 AM Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Hi All, > > Just an update on my effort. > > I have just found that the mfsBSD "SE" version boots on my real hardware > so it does, in fact, seem like a driver problem. I am going to investigate > the differences in the drivers for the mfsBSD "SE" and mfsBSD "mini" > versions to see what is different as they are both building from the same > FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 disc1. > > Cheers, > Lonnie > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:20 AM Lonnie Cumberland > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Hope that everyone is doing well today. >> >> I have been building mfsBSD images for testing on real hardware and have >> been using the FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 iso to do it. Now, I have a procedure >> for building the base mfsBSD (90MB) and also the "mini" mfsBSD (27MB) >> images. Working on adding packages and stuff next. >> >> The real hardware is as older system that I have: >> >> Test system: >> HP Pavilion p7-1240 AMD A10-5700 3.4 GHz Quad Core Desktop >> >> I also have a little bit stronger system >> >> Dell PowerEdge C6220 SFF 4 Node Server 8x Xeon E5-2650 256GB RAM 4x 2TB >> 2.5" HD >> >> for 2nd stage testing later once I can get things to work on the smaller >> desktop >> >> What seems to be strange here is that the FreeBSD disc1: >> >> >> https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.1/FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso >> >> boot up just fine on the Desktop and I do not have any problems, but when >> I build the mfsBSD images which boot up fine on a Virtualbox VM that I >> have running on Debian 10 right now, they do not boot up on the real >> hardware and I get this strange "Error 5": >> >> Error 5 Unretryable Error >> Cddone Got back 0x5 back >> Read(10) CDB >> CAM Status SCSI Status Error >> SCSI Status: Check Condition >> SCSI Sense: Medium Error ASC 11,5 >> >> Maybe I need to add some kernel modules to the mfsBSD build, but I really >> not sure as I am still pretty new to FreeBSD while migrating from the Linux >> world more and more. >> >> Any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks in advance. >> Lonnie >> >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 19 16:48:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F403633FD for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:48:20 -0000 Hi All, Hope that everyone is doing well today. As you may know, I am experimenting heavily with mfsBSD as I really like the ultra-small iso's that it produces which gives me a chance to learn more about FreeBSD as well as to customize things as I go. To that end, mfsBSD which I am building against the FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 base does not contain Bhyve by default but when you install FreeBSD then it is present. Would it be possible if someone might be able to point me in the right direction, or give me some information, on how I might be able to install the Bhyve binaries, libraries, and drivers into my experimental mfsBSD? I do not know a lot about the FreeBSD Ports or PKG system, so maybe it is in there somewhere and I can try to install it, but I need to be able to create a ".tbz" file of it and its dependencies from what I have read so far. On a side note, I was just wondering why Bhyve was a userland application and not added as some type of kernel extension? (Mostly just wondering the reasoning behind it) Cheers and have a great weekend, everyone. Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 19 17:21:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C7C0364316 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8s8y0RTjz3Y1f for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jxCvH-0005TQ-KI for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:16:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Locale oddity Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:14:44 +0200 Message-ID: Reply-To: mbj@mbjnet.dk User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Mail-Copies-To: Never X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8s8y0RTjz3Y1f X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.85 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mbj@mbjnet.dk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_QUARANTINE(1.50)[mbjnet.dk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,quarantine]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.15)[0.152]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.26)[-0.260]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.46)[0.459]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:21:38 -0000 Hi (This is FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE-p7 amd64) If I unset the $LANG variable, then all other LC_* category locale variables will automatically be set to "C" except for the $LC_ALL variable: ~/ % LANG= locale LANG= LC_CTYPE="C" LC_COLLATE="C" LC_TIME="C" LC_NUMERIC="C" LC_MONETARY="C" LC_MESSAGES="C" LC_ALL= Otherwise they are: ~/ % locale LANG=da_DK.UTF-8 LC_CTYPE="da_DK.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="da_DK.UTF-8" LC_TIME="da_DK.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="da_DK.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="da_DK.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="da_DK.UTF-8" LC_ALL= I don't understand this behaviour. Could someone explain the logic of this to me? To me it seems like a bug. Thanks, Morten From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 19 17:57:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42736364CB9 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B8syR3tGmz3Zm5 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:57:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.26.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MjSHc-1khr3m0umg-00ktHG; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:57:32 +0200 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:57:31 +0200 From: Polytropon To: mbj@mbjnet.dk Cc: Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions , Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Locale oddity Message-Id: <20200719195731.66f8ea30.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YxeQVg6taKXKXfSD1BLL7JWBZcLwy6vQAo++9uGPYLDEcki9qQP qSIZyNgVIKBSP7findoIak2sJeZljRNfq+kQXMSj8FcciXdxopshc9IwjkF3Xp28SugUBbi g5Zr2x2XMJSYjBfPoPCWabkZZc0heAzJMzc91yQyH/8WkkPl59TWPXrfmzn7yo0xTY8Vekx 3rGFW8G+Vp0oCeuPli7PQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:NkqtDCRBxuU=:Aytdll2C9RJdJK05+heaZ4 u26O6KZwt2fFJ6Nff8eWXVkNPR6Ie2BXI8KIUjjGcYBkEcrFR0rxYqDloGPxmPZ/dUB7faDMk A6vrqSShitiFkej1la6dsM9ychESkTNkN907iJNiqZzbLKOwXRPNUMY5WJde4siY+I/h+osz2 jUvGLBeLKxAEQZh5eIEqeS3yx6WGhcVmeCKhuuA7OOdOKgNDKOGdlr9pZ8aeJtGZyNnaID/FB NB3XLSUt+D78onzQw7mLl403OAXFcghtHZRsgD05Q76kusL8J6bxftpsbG6ClHCvqTuxxexqe aLlXLaz+50CS24pXkkovJn5Lq3kvSPAuxwehmgLW3JDWahNeUcgmxbgCJGHvkVDxq8E9AG9Wk PI4Fsdg/Cge658BHstA2uE7ThpW0QrCF5ZMM50KPJVUwCBYXoBzdDtWisp6ViBxWf+KXzdk+1 86DiWrdNc9PsaJkQbYIToFYuoPvHhakRCxHWhiEaJvsdOSyfCJ1IOPLFEl1L/Tw3+jGY9s/WS M5H6BFzqH/Ky64Ybegaazot1oXjgTR9oHluh1vgaaxPWta5Wv2eZ4kpXLiXg3nEN5O0r/c80P nsPExvsZcHiq17+dNe2ZmhM9zUqHq2y/8goLwLefran+kMH0BrnZUdQqWXj3V/TJi+pW7Boyj EO2C4eHR/LX/3QG7yDmQ8Aj7ciZS4KSPzh52tCeyYuqWytBtdKQaxy3ad8qY1w/zKFvUjC8IS 7sRiCJIP1eVolcNLjyfhBEtSjBtBpIRWB0EXVX1em8Hobzz26StgbRKpZV2FfRg9P6/WEv+aG aIaLUMBYVh9RmrS6xbnD3f5e3ofwoy2Tp/44ztt0byjOdq4Zdx9Z+P0datuQmXoJgK3XvDI X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8syR3tGmz3Zm5 X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.74) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.54 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.26.105:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.11)[0.106]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.41)[0.410]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.63)[0.629]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:57:37 -0000 On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:14:44 +0200, Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions wrote: > If I unset the $LANG variable, then all other LC_* category > locale variables will automatically be set to "C" except for > the $LC_ALL variable: > > ~/ % LANG= locale > LANG= > LC_CTYPE="C" > LC_COLLATE="C" > LC_TIME="C" > LC_NUMERIC="C" > LC_MONETARY="C" > LC_MESSAGES="C" > LC_ALL= > > Otherwise they are: > > ~/ % locale > LANG=da_DK.UTF-8 > LC_CTYPE="da_DK.UTF-8" > LC_COLLATE="da_DK.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="da_DK.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC="da_DK.UTF-8" > LC_MONETARY="da_DK.UTF-8" > LC_MESSAGES="da_DK.UTF-8" > LC_ALL= > > I don't understand this behaviour. Could someone explain the > logic of this to me? There is a certain "precedence" in the language variables: IF $LANG is set, all others are ignored; if $LC_ALL is set, all other $LC_*s will be ignored. You can find more information in "man 3 setlocale": Only three locales are defined by default, the empty string "" which denotes the native environment, and the "C" and "POSIX" locales, which denote the C language environment. [...] By default, C programs start in the "C" locale. The Handbook also has detailed information in section 22.2. https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/using-localization.html So what you see is correct and expected: All $LC_* variables except $LC_ALL will default to "C", otherwise they will inherit what $LANG contains; $LC_ALL will not be set automatically to anything. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Locale oddity To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <0467d480-ba58-3d5d-ca77-34d784b667f9@yuripv.dev> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 20:58:08 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B8sz9176mz3Zmf X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=hQnKAD2S; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=kWyMH/jE; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 64.147.123.27 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.49 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[yuripv.dev:s=fm1,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; 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Could someone explain the > logic of this to me? > > To me it seems like a bug. I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, so I'll just quote the specification, https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap08.html, for the logic used: -------- The values of locale categories shall be determined by a precedence order; the first condition met below determines the value: 1. If the LC_ALL environment variable is defined and is not null, the value of LC_ALL shall be used. 2. If the LC_* environment variable (LC_COLLATE, LC_CTYPE, LC_MESSAGES, LC_MONETARY, LC_NUMERIC, LC_TIME) is defined and is not null, the value of the environment variable shall be used to initialize the category that corresponds to the environment variable. 3. If the LANG environment variable is defined and is not null, the value of the LANG environment variable shall be used. 4. If the LANG environment variable is not set or is set to the empty string, the implementation-defined default locale shall be used. -------- Going backwards, when you unset LANG, the last rule is applied, and our default locale is C. If you have LANG set, rule 3 is applied . Rules 1 and 2 are mostly used as overrides over the system-wide LANG setting, so LC_* variables are NOT set by default. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 02:10:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B267F370270 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B94tx49WRz4Klf for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from [10.0.10.15] (unknown [10.0.10.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E0D7D3B7B1 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:10:09 -0700 (MST) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Russell L. Carter" Subject: forwarding audio from a (bhyve) vm Message-ID: <295d43ec-b5dc-2899-5d22-fb0b5d8ff5cb@pinyon.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:10:09 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B94tx49WRz4Klf X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.83)[-0.827]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.38)[0.376]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.78)[-0.782]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:10:18 -0000 Hi everyone, Novice in this area. I have unifi-video up and running in a debian 9 bhyve vm. What's the current best practice for forwarding the audio from the bhyve vm? I'd like to be able to listen to the camera audio anywhere in my very heterogeneous OS network. My main desktop is FreeBSD, so that's what I mainly need. Is that possible? Do the *vnc's do sound? What's the most efficient method? Thanks, Russell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 09:30:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEF9376E59 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:30:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9Gg61WLGz3Src for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jxS87-0004g4-S4 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:30:39 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Locale oddity Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:30:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <0467d480-ba58-3d5d-ca77-34d784b667f9@yuripv.dev> Reply-To: mbj@mbjnet.dk User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Mail-Copies-To: Never X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9Gg61WLGz3Src X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.65 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mbj@mbjnet.dk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_QUARANTINE(1.50)[mbjnet.dk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,quarantine]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.22)[0.218]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.45)[0.452]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.48)[0.475]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:30:43 -0000 On 2020-07-19 Yuri Pankov wrote: > I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, so I'll just quote the > specification, > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap08.html, > for the logic used: Well, the reason I was asking was that I was working on a script where one of the functions will determine the user's language reliably from the locale settings. Therefore I tried various error handling, like e.g. the LANG variable not being set, etc. and I noticed this behaviour and I wondered why. I see the rule #4 you are referring to, but the logic in it is still not clear to me: Some script or program might set the $LANG variable to an empty value and then the LC_* variables that I set myself will be changed behind my back? Anyway, thanks for the answer to you and Polytropon. Morten From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 10:08:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9D035800C for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9HVT4RQKz3Vdq for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:08:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.26.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mlvr3-1kfq5m3h8V-00iyWw; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:08:14 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:08:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Russell L. 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Carter wrote: > I have unifi-video up and running in a debian 9 bhyve vm. What's the > current best practice for forwarding the audio from the bhyve vm? I'd > like to be able to listen to the camera audio anywhere in my very > heterogeneous OS network. My main desktop is FreeBSD, so that's what > I mainly need. Is that possible? Do the *vnc's do sound? >=20 > What's the most efficient method? Maybe you can achieve this using virtual networking? There are solutions that use UDP for audio streaming (called "Seren"), or tunneling pulseaudio (if you're using it), or use XRDP with its pulseaudio plugin. Regarding the VNC solutions: The last time I tried, audio didn't get transmitted, it could only be heared locally. However, you cah check if this has changed. A suggestion from the thread "Allowing remote java app to access local sound system" from July 2020 with further annotations: On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:43:45 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > I have a (java) app that works fine on a remote host and displays it's GUI > by setting the DISPLAY environment variable. The app also requires a > working microphone (and other audio output devices). Is there any way to > make it use the microphone/audio output on my local machine? Note I > suspect I would need to do this transparently to Java. I am pretty sure > Java has no idea how to do this on its own. In the past, I had a similar question, titled "Audio for SSH and VNC" in October 2019. Maybe the following answers provide some inspiration? On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:10:00 -0400, Derek Schrock wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 10:44:50PM EDT, Polytropon wrote: > > In order to extend the classic "remote desktop" concept > > in FreeBSD - here: SSH in combination with tigervnc-server > > and ssvnc-gui -, what is a good way to also transmit audio? > > For example, if you start a video player or a web browser > > with video and audio content, you can _see_ it on your remote > > system, while the audio is playing on the distant server. > > Is there an easy way to also get the audio to the remote > > system where it can be _heared_? > >=20 > >=20 > I've done this before via tunneling puslseaudio over ssh. > However, it would be easier to just use xrdp via net/xrdp > and audio/pulseaudio-module-xrdp. On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 13:18:00 +0100, Dave B via freebsd-questions wrote: > Look up a program called Seren. >=20 > The sources build just fine on modern Linux's, and possibly FreeBSD, > though I've not tried the latter. >=20 > =A0=A0=A0 http://holdenc.altervista.org/seren/=A0=A0 It's a non GUI tool,= running > in a command line terminal, so very low CPU usage.=A0 >=20 > (Pulse is good, but not exactly low impact.) >=20 > Seren was I think intended for gamers, many to many etc, but works point > to point just fine, and with very good quality audio. >=20 > It streams via UDP, as such wont travel over SSH, but OpenVPN works > well, if you only want one connection, else Seren can handle its own > encryption for the audio traffic.=A0 Though how "secure" that is, I don't > know.=A0 I move off default ports and hide "somewhere else" up in the > high-port space. >=20 > There is a simple text messaging facility too. >=20 > No affiliation, just a very happy user for remote ham radio needs. --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 10:54:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BAF3599EA for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:54:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9JWC4jbMz3YLT for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:53:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.26.105]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M597q-1jwMy73BSe-0019Fj; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:53:55 +0200 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:53:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: mbj@mbjnet.dk Cc: Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions , Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Locale oddity Message-Id: <20200720125355.4fd333bf.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <0467d480-ba58-3d5d-ca77-34d784b667f9@yuripv.dev> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:atx0mFcXiq/uK5zA4DZ/hse/Lsyd1NdulP3aEvuGcEzraFj9PxX JJGyVn4kbqtcXj+1XB8RAd81pXyoO8mRPmCpHpXN/rBGin+LIOdeocG0nzGNbS4XAExpYw6 Da/hJW4YdVLBaPoebZDCUaX1ZLeTDXL5zpXNO48drzchmZYn+y7mY8PzM5RUkNS5njhh0Gj zP6S/VJ6Z6aeRpOwJowpQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:TfpyhF1MeUE=:URsgsIVQWr3VrY8wP6VU94 ODHUzkmJStO5Kx2S/nq5xA8oFbv39lzBRIqXaBq2QqzGplAXYTsLdNPS7sIa48SaTinhenRSe CTHvXgZ3VamXoJ+C/wccN9Q757Fe7476my6T0zZeTH+NZUWV7ZA2yOgZTKwpnFkvKPBa4ci1E 3HqSYd8430BTxpjTWx0fBv627SDlxDULcLk6xwac5SfCZGb9YDZf2W+EXUz/Lzvwt2D7tl1sU S3AVT3M8NQL77YlZPeKiraSyfdDOxMV0TN3dravnii/wtfGIu/HyGKGGxheQBLQXFfQOhquJ9 raHHZ1cEX0NY5DN0UbHX0QMcOBbBNLVzAd7EeMoNTacDnuIYRLTeLRa2dFFRbCxVcjguQxJZw u/4j3DTwK+lOyNTRZabsUAqpMRh181jpwy1wnIWcIx1+T4apt6wt02nOuWbZ2aF8IBSkKDKZa EeqfWv0lzVUFIHty9hIXr8lHO055ulA4427e2Mh23bK/VuM76loGPFvn1seIGh0dGxueSWLE/ sjM4KULJU2w6CPan5GO4bV9/TKwC1iM62Y+MatPCSg5q4CRGpSSrmRvP3cocl8mekLvMEdAA3 637rosMqu8n9sFH2PkWH0viTkHIVqzJDCU64aYcIs6BiXGyEIMYjbvwjxGONtqdzfXHWt6tC2 Wop1j3hvt69d9Fu2IY926EsYPxXn3lD8CtaWA8BENwkVQlujoDzYULyLXbIh4emhpth0snipr YQIxXQbGBZcNtIePoCBVO3tKUcX/O6oJYuy4G9IryIqKwnXwONCuKeabuqWcRKSky2gqTZ24p NfWrklSUQi9iXYhRBf42v2r/fonvqpvn9rYzcSXnkiEF3Hbx0asHQwv1C5R0CPI4R6sdK/l X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9JWC4jbMz3YLT X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.45 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.319]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.26.105:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.26)[-0.262]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.63)[0.631]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:54:01 -0000 On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 11:30:33 +0200, Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions wrote: > On 2020-07-19 Yuri Pankov wrote: > > > I'm not sure what exactly you are asking, so I'll just quote the > > specification, > > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap08.html, > > for the logic used: > > Well, the reason I was asking was that I was working on a > script where one of the functions will determine the user's > language reliably from the locale settings. Therefore I tried > various error handling, like e.g. the LANG variable not being > set, etc. and I noticed this behaviour and I wondered why. I > see the rule #4 you are referring to, but the logic in it is > still not clear to me: Some script or program might set the > $LANG variable to an empty value and then the LC_* variables > that I set myself will be changed behind my back? No, the variables (being set, and how)won't affect one another. Rule #4 states that if $LANG is not usable (and no other information is present), the default "fallback locale" _should_ be used, which is "C". So the "hierarchy" is this: 1. LC_ALL 2. LC_* depending on category 3. LANG 4. fallback (usually "C") Just as an example, if you have not set $LANG, but you have set the several $LC_* variables, except $LC_ALL, rule #2 applies. With $LC_ALL set, all $LC_* variables will be overridden, as says rule #1. If no $LC_ is set, but $LANG is set, rule #3 applies. If there is nothing set, rule #4 says to use the implementation-specific locale, which usually is "C". So the $LC_* variables you've set yourself will always keep their value. The question simply is: Will a program use them according to the standard? A program _might_ do the wrong thing and even though you have set $LC_MESSAGES to "da_DK.UTF-8", but the program expects and only reads $LANG, it could say something like "no locale found, falling back to 'C' locale", which of course is _not_ the correct (!) thing to do... :-) The common solution is: Use LC_ALL to define all locale types with the same value. Use LC_* variables individually, but do not set LC_ALL, if you want to have different locale interpretations for different things, like collation information or decimal notation according to your local language, but messages in English. Optionally set LANG to the value of LC_ALL. Sidenote: You can use the login.conf mechanism to have the system set the variables for you; for example in ~/.login_conf: me:\ :charset=UTF-8:\ :lang=de_DE.UTF-8: This should work as expected. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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You are right. My values were set by the system and then the unsetting of the $LANG variable would also change all the LC_* variables. But if I set the LC_* variables specifically on login, they retain their values even if $LANG is subsequently unset. Morten From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 17:21:47 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981D63649F5 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:21:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9T6f434Qz4L5X for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:21:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB6828ADA for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:21:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewiQqtUTvpiN for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0912928ACF for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: <6ab0769da82541d5725f717c8cba6644.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:21:43 -0400 Subject: Samba-4.10.15 -- ldbsearch From: "James B. 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This is not the same as ldapsearch. Does nayone running Samba on FreeBSd know how this is obtained? Or, what its replacement is called? Or if neither then why it is not provided? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne" To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.23 [SVN] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9TCs0VC8z4L9Z X-Spamd-Bar: ----- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.61 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:216.185.71.0/26:c]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[harte-lyne.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; HAS_X_PRIO_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[216.185.71.32:from]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[harte-lyne.ca,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.854]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12021, ipnet:216.185.64.0/20, country:CA]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.029]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[harte-lyne.ca:s=dkim_hll]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.023]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[harte-lyne.ca:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 17:26:17 -0000 On Mon, July 20, 2020 13:21, James B. Byrne wrote: > I am trying to locate a Samba utility named ldbsearch. This is not the same as > ldapsearch. Does nayone running Samba on FreeBSd know how this is obtained? > Or, what its replacement is called? Or if neither then why it is not provided? > Never mind. Forgot to add the samba-prefix -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: > I am trying to locate a Samba utility named ldbsearch. This is not the same as > ldapsearch. Does nayone running Samba on FreeBSd know how this is obtained? > Or, what its replacement is called? Or if neither then why it is not provided? > > > pkg which /usr/local/bin/ldbsearch /usr/local/bin/ldbsearch was installed by package ldb-1.1.29_1 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 19:42:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA074368726 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com (mail-il1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9XDd3h1zz4VSh for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:42:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id x9so14368354ila.3 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Vbcnw3tVxcG7phOisJbxRON6OtT+1cJORVpVAz4r1TM=; b=QuWijos0e79MS+kzAGfuRcoraOWxKBDCN2CZB+HXYRQ0iD2GY3Mc6U2T7CFbynG7pu +q4vcBcMDpvHnFn3ciXxFvb5e8CS5+GhPsYQ3tjBtkaHO7Zf1YO3FdoQsg/kjqcDwkb2 7F3VbDFcuUf9hkV2nyFoCGbWwpFA8yo8Y3tCtJico2uGXfvqfJnJs6eotbbvsrMlqmdv bepWjwwOM12/n3goBgA9DTqNemGc2iHmqbsUBLaCwnbQOVmsyOFJO4Vi62DJMGmznTLs WO8rm2HePP0lN/1UGClN5Vi1SerRDCs9j7ykVI75Bji9uEip4W4t36h1GjSHHHEzoY3F DnPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Vbcnw3tVxcG7phOisJbxRON6OtT+1cJORVpVAz4r1TM=; b=IT0dqhqruGpEO16vfKn6bjtt7wjLpxfKZAejROwJqQlEdyV5ZtdGAqgSGcv3BAzqu5 HoXJMjJzwqNvvPvG9NMxPsCFZImuKcQeq8FweFLqeBr8Oknwb5/HU/6foxNqfWTdDsvH 8tlSeI36sh+33FH8eOA9vmI+y/+vUX/olfQl7cAOkcmxLc2N4nF4B91WLAwwoxaw2g8u Rxbn8NYmDhJd62nidz6wuK57coAPdu4zcWidskWviH/il8Vp4cAWKz9owxWv2XeqzbGo 9WqnoRPSTeMT7D+EtibeqkSGMTqAy0+T2QsQda8NaSxQ+40h+4LnAUz/oCu+Tw2Uhfyq F0Lg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531DFJXVpic7jSlqLAVD68Zpp1yk14+qbNv2KIwxB7u/6erpjayr KMswqU9c4mT9v/d91xZDZwgU1eVO34NI74VsHXYX2DvLS1c= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyq7F4EiGp9YWtOEMUQnrsu/L9vOzUOp69hSGMkXiVmg1Doc3IljuhrrFJ1L2cvJs7ISvyelW8bUNIb+b6Ci/c= X-Received: by 2002:a92:bd0f:: with SMTP id c15mr23719165ile.95.1595274127881; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:42:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 15:41:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: All files needed for Bhyve? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9XDd3h1zz4VSh X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=QuWijos0; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.26 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.78)[-0.782]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.25)[-0.252]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.49)[0.492]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:42:10 -0000 Hi All, Hope that everyone is doing well. I am trying to locate a list of all of the files, libraries, and drivers needed for Bhyve that is already installed by default on FreeBSD. I have been able to identify a few, just by luck such as: Kernel Modules: vmm.ko nmdm.ko if_bridge.ko if_tap.ko Applications: bhyve bhyvectl bhyveload Libraries: lib.so.7 libcam.so.7 libcrypto.so.111 libmd.so.6 libsbuf.so.6 libthr.so.3 libz.so.6 libvmmapi.so.5 libutil.so.9 But I am not sure about what other default applications are also needed and that are put in by default in the latest FreeBSD RELEASE 12.1 that I have here. Is there somewhere that I can locate a list like this? Thanks in advance Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 22:06:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C52836AF3F for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9bRj1Z1nz4cwd for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from [10.0.10.15] (unknown [10.0.10.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FF91371B3 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 15:06:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: forwarding audio from a (bhyve) vm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <295d43ec-b5dc-2899-5d22-fb0b5d8ff5cb@pinyon.org> <20200720120813.4b020a5b.freebsd@edvax.de> From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-ID: <08284be8-6508-0451-312b-b575dc6d4331@pinyon.org> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 15:06:54 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200720120813.4b020a5b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9bRj1Z1nz4cwd X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.897]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.24)[0.240]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.71)[-0.708]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:06:58 -0000 Right. Perfect, this is what I needed to um, 'hear'. ;-) Thank you. Comments inline. On 2020-07-20 03:08, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:10:09 -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: >> I have unifi-video up and running in a debian 9 bhyve vm. What's the >> current best practice for forwarding the audio from the bhyve vm? I'd >> like to be able to listen to the camera audio anywhere in my very >> heterogeneous OS network. My main desktop is FreeBSD, so that's what >> I mainly need. Is that possible? Do the *vnc's do sound? >> >> What's the most efficient method? > > Maybe you can achieve this using virtual networking? There > are solutions that use UDP for audio streaming (called "Seren"), > or tunneling pulseaudio (if you're using it), or use XRDP with > its pulseaudio plugin. Seren looks perfect. However it uses alsa to access the "sound card", which I see from googling should be achievable in a bhyve vm by configuring the HDA emulation. Evidently, after consulting https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2016/HDAudioEmulationForBhyve and https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/what-is-the-current-status-of-audio-emulation-in-bhyve.74557/ I should be able to achieve this using vm-bhyve by setting bhyve_options="-s 9,hda,play=/dev/dsp1,rec=/dev/dsp1" in the vm template file. (Although I have no idea why the forum post uses a "9" whereas the SummerOfCode post uses "x:y" for the first entry in the config list, I'm a bhyve noob). I'll report if it works. Thanks, Russell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 23:00:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE92436C84C for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9cdN3Cycz3RgS for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:00:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from [10.0.10.15] (unknown [10.0.10.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 056D92542F for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:00:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: forwarding audio from a (bhyve) vm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <295d43ec-b5dc-2899-5d22-fb0b5d8ff5cb@pinyon.org> <20200720120813.4b020a5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <08284be8-6508-0451-312b-b575dc6d4331@pinyon.org> From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-ID: <42870245-d3c6-be29-242b-67b7697d7402@pinyon.org> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:00:22 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <08284be8-6508-0451-312b-b575dc6d4331@pinyon.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9cdN3Cycz3RgS X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.58 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.90)[-0.902]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.32)[0.321]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.70)[-0.697]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:00:25 -0000 On 2020-07-20 15:06, Russell L. Carter wrote: > > Right.  Perfect, this is what I needed to um, 'hear'. ;-) > Thank you. > > Comments inline. > > On 2020-07-20 03:08, Polytropon wrote: > > On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:10:09 -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: > >> I have unifi-video up and running in a debian 9 bhyve vm.  What's the > >> current best practice for forwarding the audio from the bhyve vm?  I'd > >> like to be able to listen to the camera audio anywhere in my very > >> heterogeneous OS network.  My main desktop is FreeBSD, so that's what > >> I mainly need.  Is that possible?  Do the *vnc's do sound? > >> > >> What's the most efficient method? > > > > Maybe you can achieve this using virtual networking? There > > are solutions that use UDP for audio streaming (called "Seren"), > > or tunneling pulseaudio (if you're using it), or use XRDP with > > its pulseaudio plugin. > > Seren looks perfect.  However it uses alsa to access the "sound card", > which I see from googling should be achievable in a bhyve vm by > configuring the HDA emulation. Evidently, after consulting > https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2016/HDAudioEmulationForBhyve > and > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/what-is-the-current-status-of-audio-emulation-in-bhyve.74557/ > > > I should be able to achieve this using vm-bhyve by setting > > bhyve_options="-s 9,hda,play=/dev/dsp1,rec=/dev/dsp1" > > in the vm template file. Oh well, the vm fails to start with this template configuration. I am not sure how to fix it. There is only one vm running, so I don't think bhyve should be running out of slots/devices. There is no audio hardware in the bhyve host... is that a problem? I don't want to listen on the bhyve host, I want to ship the audio over the physical network to another FreeBSD system. Both the bhyve host and the target system are running FreeBSD 12/stable from the beginning of July. Russell > (Although I have no idea why the forum post uses a "9" whereas > the SummerOfCode post uses "x:y" for the first entry in the > config list, I'm a bhyve noob). > > I'll report if it works. > > Thanks, > Russell > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 20 23:50:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A969536D60F for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:50:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boyvalue@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi1-x22e.google.com (mail-oi1-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9dlG2qWtz3Tcx for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from boyvalue@gmail.com) Received: by mail-oi1-x22e.google.com with SMTP id x83so15780242oif.10 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:50:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=NOpXjSYcALR5KpFeWcURfU7k4XTDpF7i6nuO129T1N4=; b=Csiqm0yoyvl+BWhnWvBrzBmMxf9Jlrf8VkT0BiHUT4X9yy1eoY03hPjE4OlPAZhaA3 QM4F3L7P3e6UwpS/b1Ozvc0Vg5QpT1qOVRqWsbizN0MkNMdIuMXKPuaWCFksIkKzWg9m e05kq0p41wcnxS09zKRcYfo3dYWLMaUTB5HKV5Q8KZr6xD1u3mQX1uqEwQwd7FY7gugo TKzIq0sIJMqvd2fztBM6CDS/6LCg0uYDTKYymTE6riUQzXzmcjScw3IFD0JagH1fOMMZ 1XmvwqYGNLc7DJMrMQnMK180IEaVUoTEPJIdtXWMA9p5YFGvgAJQ6zAe+96kmqi4fP8h lasg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=NOpXjSYcALR5KpFeWcURfU7k4XTDpF7i6nuO129T1N4=; b=a8bdoWd8om7X7nFeGEIRF+Z4SoswJIGHMkYY28wawsr816eZ7+uwFUBIkOS5hoqQNO gGTQKQ7zBhgcFUZHbYhcCkR+TEz0rsKPaiG9Cvs567zBJbhsmNTG/vZFbPtQSUK2UORC qmovETSVBW8El6Nga4ESX7ZiFpDMklaSIxeuVoJVLobEqV0+97ZvJLMv9Z8Jx+TdmSWE swW9uJxX1wq3U0DYhuHNxWNnngyfUAZ9+TchJsKWvFNFQMxBtWpHsjo1ze6vVGcRtmcU te/2lMRe6g3kgFjTWBEF3syRwL7CNol/5RWytpd0U2eY+edvKHH+fqiXv4Ur/t7gHM5G /JFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532L5B1AjUu88OhGxVgA9UBtRpocKVfvSvLteHlHjvsVMJlEoPkw bGQhrO9MAou0yJbixUreu/6A2esJ+qCowqPAsjdu X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxpA7E33nDiS7cqRsBLzR1/XU47dSP7XC8cMuLmZT4t2W0b4bbhYTEDnA3lsEMZiQn6+fEJuL8wD8SnGhmrJMs= X-Received: by 2002:aca:54d1:: with SMTP id i200mr1293159oib.11.1595289032909; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:50:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Scott Ballantyne Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD 11.4, Kernel panics while trying to load radionkms To: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9dlG2qWtz3Tcx X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Csiqm0yo; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of boyvalue@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=boyvalue@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.09 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.953]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.003]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.14)[-0.137]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 23:50:36 -0000 This worked fine on the same hardware yesterday when I was running 11.3 Upgrading to 11.4 panics. I wiped all the packages, reinstalled X (from packages) and that works. Adding the radeonkms driver to the mix causes the panic. Any suggestions? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 01:00:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD8536ED05 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 01:00:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9gJK434Qz3XY0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 01:00:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id q15so1159005wmj.2 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:00:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Qfd+U0mFV9keoA76lrKlr4itQoT5sC0Cp6IOq7M8xPY=; b=bL42TBQ0qoJ+h+W9EuaPDzE6IIk+3kwPRigs3oXv62NAwxDOP1UBgOWa3QZyHi0l+9 UxrEvkBFx5A+T/vd/LZaB2xsZ8+2O2rSm1Mid9LAM2jZX1D/foWocE4DX1KSwULe9YUj xa0nyBX+g6JqlCsFvkkvcdZbe89EDDsvaZQxgTRw7Ik+SJZWilIjUJCo6RUHOxJ+gKGO 0w+Bnee5xx79qdx+SZmvDQGIItk5Jr0a8jEW0Z+m93aswBzGNGWqAqBNcL37tZzEeFb7 HbpmgEUy2vSTzpYxPTpXQWr3MXpCH/VgTGPSJxJ5mtuGwDODllFbYh6LtZkOj1Rwv948 YWdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Qfd+U0mFV9keoA76lrKlr4itQoT5sC0Cp6IOq7M8xPY=; b=JBouAB4llot2xQ9rxWr8X97Gamr/so4pog0W/Aojgma90uKVwrPfNMX99VG3JcwNU5 qpzW1aHU5GSL4pZcEcoZ2qdZeJTEgjj3syeRCaGg/8cf9vXQ9FVDSCSmGvuc1GisSXFt Uhxe+X9UrYoLZ73G8Rmr3lyRCMytG2ODa/CuLdTL1/X8C4v/U+qDWeBKC+7p7goLKlLx dpW9G7cms1PCwm4ghe3L/ngph1PWwCD/7v2dWZW0vTYa2CcgTqWBFfVTQMYPXKOeEYBZ KnV/CilioHD3v+4+SRWy1lOB0TsVDAN3gKzfudG9POiTK2sqcJov6KTAziaqGg9aE4KC ZFSA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532sYktgvPhADUysLDuUPMEMFzdVBZTiFZgKfa6vbM7KtcLAHpD7 om6++nbCwfPuI0iEeRCh13LXvvlhUfb0cRRQU9Xj+g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzLscs6fz2UlhqQv/okwjn6MktbGq9SYIjUuqPOZzyedh2eyfsK8UUf8sBRA70F0D2zeJPpJPXPzk4ClwIgolg= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9650:: with SMTP id y77mr1588934wmd.101.1595293247462; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 18:00:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 03:00:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.4, Kernel panics while trying to load radionkms To: Scott Ballantyne Cc: FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9gJK434Qz3XY0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=bL42TBQ0; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::32f) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.81)[-0.813]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.948]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32f:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.34)[-0.342]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 01:00:50 -0000 Try uninstalling the module and re-build clean from ports I saw that in 12.0 -> 12.1 ;-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 02:28:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8C33726E0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 02:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: from aurora.gregv.net (aurora.gregv.net [192.111.144.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9jDw5y47z3gJk for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 02:28:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: by aurora.gregv.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9C4BF70; Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:27:54 -0400 From: Greg Veldman To: "Russell L. Carter" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forwarding audio from a (bhyve) vm Message-ID: <20200721022754.GM67461@aurora.gregv.net> References: <295d43ec-b5dc-2899-5d22-fb0b5d8ff5cb@pinyon.org> <20200720120813.4b020a5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <08284be8-6508-0451-312b-b575dc6d4331@pinyon.org> <42870245-d3c6-be29-242b-67b7697d7402@pinyon.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <42870245-d3c6-be29-242b-67b7697d7402@pinyon.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9jDw5y47z3gJk X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gregv.net has no SPF policy when checking 192.111.144.138) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gregv.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.03)[-0.028]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[10.0.2.1:email]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gregv.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[10.0.2.1:email]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-0.204]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.54)[0.541]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31863, ipnet:192.111.144.0/20, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 02:28:01 -0000 On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 04:00:22PM -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: > On 2020-07-20 15:06, Russell L. Carter wrote: > > Seren looks perfect.?? However it uses alsa to access the "sound card", > > which I see from googling should be achievable in a bhyve vm by > > configuring the HDA emulation. Evidently, after consulting > > https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2016/HDAudioEmulationForBhyve > > and > > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/what-is-the-current-status-of-audio-emulation-in-bhyve.74557/ > > > > > > I should be able to achieve this using vm-bhyve by setting > > > > bhyve_options="-s 9,hda,play=/dev/dsp1,rec=/dev/dsp1" > > > > in the vm template file. > > Oh well, the vm fails to start with this template configuration. > I am not sure how to fix it. There is only one vm running, so > I don't think bhyve should be running out of slots/devices. > There is no audio hardware in the bhyve host... is that a > problem? I don't want to listen on the bhyve host, I want to > ship the audio over the physical network to another FreeBSD > system. > > Both the bhyve host and the target system are running FreeBSD > 12/stable from the beginning of July. I currently do this with some of my systems, I use sndio and have had no issues at all. My current setup is all FreeBSD hosts, but sndio runs on GNU/Linux and NetBSD, OpenBSD (in fact it's originally from OpenBSD I believe). On the host you wish to send the audio from: $ grep -i audio .bashrc export AUDIODEVICE="snd@10.0.2.1/0" On the host you wish to hear the audio on: $ grep -i sndio /etc/rc.conf sndiod_enable="YES" sndiod_dev="rsnd/$($SYSCTL -n hw.snd.default_unit)" sndiod_flags="-f ${sndiod_dev} -c 0:7 -j off -s default -m mon -s monitor -L 10.0.2.1" $ grep -i snd /etc/sysctl.conf # Default sound device (from /dev/sndstat) hw.snd.default_unit=2 See the sndio(7) manpage for setting up the cookie on both hosts to handle authentication. -- Greg Veldman freebsd@gregv.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 13:09:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635CB35C138 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:09:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) Received: from sonic315-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic315-13.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.134.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9zSX1z2Zz4cK1 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dvoich@aim.com) X-YMail-OSG: M.veBjIVM1kowYRmkGtgXW7v.lJdJQ0Yu5NNHPyuYtbAhpX4WDJk2EjmlyuyNXd cI5EUXt7cwsB0JSPrVYd4.wrnPPMMP7sgjnmKqlm1hK._VcfdtSLCCoTHlF1VkXXtI98OGPJWZnx GhHlzNn5RwV9RIo6r1pDD4J5oqoKj1PGvU0M2j0L3cuf.dz7SUSTiusuAWx4AjkYr6TieINo5bsf FlA.R3T6F5lutpF.nBMJZGi9BZNnCBw9CvKkzpZlLBxi6T29PscMZ5Oc98DJOJWrCMrkQOVlKEs5 GUwYxqi4i5JZ45VEZVC8HuQ8te7279ytdn8kaXqeXzWMhlnttee460L3bgHexHFewMN1FqILVqOW 7iVsREAGdF75c7dnz5CQS1nu2jV_uXtO6Zvcax_PM5voD42HxjKSmhOBte7v0rTLoKLQWhI1tNBx k6tTPoLgAaNSv0Jynl8m7JYZS.xAYvjQTwt_XbUEtdLmCPNangCPr6Rrs7tEhnCju2.6AlXKRS2v UzybgJnxmCS2iXPD1BVdzD.RNvlbtLdXFitE5PNNmldcooFxd6io4GL4hg3ijMERb_xhe787li2d zQq5wqxQqBgF6Wf3yQfpfLkMsyj941NMuh9vdffLhllw8CvciaN47VZL8NmQGdZZ9V3HZGzrH5t9 EVbAJTlh7S_pnx09q2ZcDcV2T3017bGN8XCLjToYSLKsa2jrACTvEWFWnJS_288yvoQ0fiu7vkUa cXIO0pORIdgJ4J0VkaJ7UuTr6zCOAtSSFbRmxSyhUExTUdmhLxBGsWTGf9fiofO.tf_m0831anMA 0q2pb92N5YgE8WKy1gq9VZhIMkXQvwREtIdZ1pfdkQZlrrB7fpw0M3UZtzqU3rFyEu9Iu_EDSv0U .uUPIaJWOxF.QxO3w2PPIbZ4mwVylsO3lUEBH3ZRdStuDHdLMC28gribl6UCOLqbDYa6fXm7GjkY 1qK0kO.2IzsbRmp843qBOu3jZhSQVihoYH_7ymjs39DG_0a.MuDKlotpX_UIiaa48e6wn_bl74gx JMKWVrtaGF7D1AV0YUC3DDaPajqylFUgDLcwMttXIGZHwoLFkBc93npKNq_thCsDJ6dbIVEXy3Bn xzydlDOfesqojPyKdVY0wqN2Z3ZKBXLTnpWoALHYNtjp30bl4HRk6bKF3U4rlFJ..NpRM4KMKvu7 RaBaOn86YvEDDIQuKjmBvHlrhP4nHj6g0fpYx95gFjk85l6ETOdwVjOTlw9hRUfj8O4IAr6TariI DZzgOiDP3eJ6v9r1yU9MqQEqdwaDH2H2eaY7vOhhFrl1xEtNFxNDYbPYF.GsYiqWxq8dT_u0aHkq j4Av9somgFVn4s4kaUwD7Fh4vipkp3t3N_n8A.CJJKWidAdyQDsMjxL3gZO7Wa7mhWWPsOGmR.6p TuoHBvBLNBRaKym5hHfA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic315.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:08:59 +0000 Received: by smtp415.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 87f0dd21fb236856cc3d420590219f43; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:08:57 -0400 From: "Vlad D. Markov" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: apps built using imake really do compile on FreeBSD Message-Id: <20200721090857.8cd34684480e0e5177946b56@aim.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <20200721090857.8cd34684480e0e5177946b56.ref@aim.com> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4B9zSX1z2Zz4cK1 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.79 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[aim.com:s=a2048]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.003]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[aim.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.002]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:74.6.128.0/21]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[aim.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[aim.com,reject]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[74.6.134.123:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.29)[-0.288]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[aim.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26101, ipnet:74.6.128.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[74.6.134.123:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:09:01 -0000 I am disappointed the old games and toys aren't packages in FreeBSD anymore= . If anyone else wants them: 1. Install a version of gcc 2. set: IMAKECPP=3D/usr/local/bin/cpp9 (maybe a different version for you) 3. build and install I get the sources from debian.org. The ones I did were: xpat2, oneko, and x= onix. --=20 I dream of a better tomorrow, where chickens can cross the road and not be = questioned about their motives.? ? Ralph Waldo Emerson From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 13:57:07 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11FE35D2CF for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd44.google.com (mail-io1-xd44.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BB0X25RPNz4fsb for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:57:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd44.google.com with SMTP id v8so21490182iox.2 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:57:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=t3kurxmppkkYd3xPPf9mWgWiFGfq6CW0w/WCKeSL/QE=; b=Wvc8uq+OTy8Zp3MIRJOOLcP5YK5e/kVduS2W/qpGeejOLrcOMcwf901cW3/pnhzW3B G4RdhEm66w7Rim8PNwggX+0MveumdHbTV7VSpZoXvLtYh7wkqczuGL3TWTg8bqIvylSI I4GwLDxoQ8fiehEKhw+v3kwc2AHuNZuqR7EOIFsNIQrr9Q6lssIiEk0dXTUkQ1GL9J53 DvsyxgWa+va8Cas9jspUstjWmi82fxJPRGc3uzU5a6nFwYbE63+eWyT26bqSp8vraOmi cwoiAMfluXgXRFw+me69+VKhAJ8z4pzJocMAjkA/AuEdkG2//ikZZ+DGQbFysfaA1P0L umAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=t3kurxmppkkYd3xPPf9mWgWiFGfq6CW0w/WCKeSL/QE=; b=UTxwTItdrmzcs1Qh35kjbNZCTEmfS81/R0CQgNBIFkrlhCXuvqu4xv/sQrOMp9TpwK KuIe6iPgg+9tHxbOqkj355rY2bzCM/eD9rwT1KzVA5hi4tqds8GM9zev3ok6kGFYc4Kx X5ohJ4WJAcXTQ7XC751jcmQoOLAK8X+1kEiuRN504B0BG93VhaYqEWerf4gJPwJIKYC9 NzwUHj5Zb4kgjs8KI3+mW3hsPgcgeL/HPgdeM07ZmeIgGJGDaf3M8LfMVbXJUC+WeJcP /117ctfbmnnfjgx3mR3CvSTZVRUqCGU159NN4slB/DnRuOr+arCWFcNkJqBHMkn6eYF6 Q22g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531X73kV9Uryq2a5fI7ore9DqFjvDop7k1gR2Msud9mHVE/EvhUs zmBpLcvEOotoA/20XT4ok60NhxErKOa3ZJ9CxVa5b2TAvqQbiCQt X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw+zM+Fhh4AFMnz2zIB/+R8ILgbxbsxZ8YVK+yzzufgWHLjncAqtcKvPx/jXYis+lXrae+s0hyEW8Nfp3rhe5g= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:440d:: with SMTP id r13mr27261969ioa.114.1595339825307; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:57:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:56:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Setting up Wayland (Weston or Sway Compositor) on FreeBSD without X11 (Xorg)? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BB0X25RPNz4fsb X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=Wvc8uq+O; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d44 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.20 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.81)[-0.812]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.25)[-0.254]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.064]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d44:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:57:07 -0000 Hi All, I hope that everyone is doing well and truly hope that someone can help me on this as I have no idea how to proceed. I need a super ultra-thin graphic interface that will run a single application in fullscreen mode much like a Kiosk. The challenge is that Xorg is entirely too big and read that you could run Wayland using a compositor without Xorg which may be promising, but I do not know yet. The truth is that my core FreeBSD is coming in at about 30MB and now I would like to put a GUI on it to support the single application while hoping to try and also keep the total size absolutely as low as possible. If I could keep the whole thing under 100MB then that would be awesome, but I do not know if this can be done. In any case, the application FreeRDP and is supposed to have a Wayland client. I also tried to look into DirectFB (Direct Framebuffer) and see that FreeBSD can load it from the "pkg" system for which is says that it also loads wayland-1.18.0_3 Wayland composite "server" but when I tried to run the freerdp wfreerdp wayland client from the text screen, it says: failed to connect to Wayland display (null): no such file or directory Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on how I might proceed either with Wayland or some even some other possible solution? It's a very unique and challenging idea to have a super small footprint graphics solution, but I feel that there is one somewhere. Best Regards and looking forward to hearing from someone on this. Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 13:59:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF6035D452 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BB0Zk3kDyz4ftm for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9892A1063A; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:59:19 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: apps built using imake really do compile on FreeBSD To: "Vlad D. Markov" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200721090857.8cd34684480e0e5177946b56.ref@aim.com> <20200721090857.8cd34684480e0e5177946b56@aim.com> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <31535904-cc9c-6288-a491-fd6f2822bd75@qeng-ho.org> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:59:19 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200721090857.8cd34684480e0e5177946b56@aim.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BB0Zk3kDyz4ftm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.76 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.043]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.009]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.404]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[aim.com,freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:59:27 -0000 On 21/07/2020 14:08, Vlad D. Markov via freebsd-questions wrote: > I am disappointed the old games and toys aren't packages in FreeBSD > anymore. If anyone else wants them: > > 1. Install a version of gcc 2. set: IMAKECPP=/usr/local/bin/cpp9 > (maybe a different version for you) 3. build and install > > I get the sources from debian.org. The ones I did were: xpat2, oneko, > and xonix. > The first two are in ports: games/xpat2 & games/oneko-sakura. -- The number of people predicting the demise of Moore's Law doubles every 18 months. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 16:06:16 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A815B36087B for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BB3P338Xhz3ZYg for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:06:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-23-243-161-111.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.161.111]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id c79aa544 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland (Weston or Sway Compositor) on FreeBSD without X11 (Xorg)? To: Lonnie Cumberland , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <5eee3f16-b0c1-cdf6-e69f-b4cb613ba5c2@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 09:06:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BB3P338Xhz3ZYg X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.39 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.979]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.08)[-0.078]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.028]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[23.243.161.111:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:06:16 -0000 On 7/21/20 6:56 AM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Hi All, > > I hope that everyone is doing well and truly hope that someone can help me > on this as I have no idea how to proceed. > > I need a super ultra-thin graphic interface that will run a single > application in fullscreen mode much like a Kiosk. > > The challenge is that Xorg is entirely too big and read that you could run > Wayland using a compositor without Xorg which may be promising, but I do > not know yet. > > The truth is that my core FreeBSD is coming in at about 30MB and now I > would like to put a GUI on it to support the single application while > hoping to try and also keep the total size absolutely as low as possible. > If I could keep the whole thing under 100MB then that would be awesome, but > I do not know if this can be done. > > In any case, the application FreeRDP and is supposed to have a Wayland > client. I also tried to look into DirectFB (Direct Framebuffer) and see > that FreeBSD can load it from the "pkg" system for which is says that it > also loads > > wayland-1.18.0_3 Wayland composite "server" > > but when I tried to run the freerdp wfreerdp wayland client from the text > screen, it says: > > failed to connect to Wayland display (null): no such file or directory > > Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on how I might proceed either > with Wayland or some even some other possible solution? you probably need to install a Wayland display manager like sway or hikari: https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/sway/ https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/hikari/ both of these will probably require puling in some Xorg dependencies though (for input devices iirc). anyway taking a look at those as a starting point would probably be a good first step, get them working then focus on stripping out what you don't deem necessary to minimize your footprint. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 16:11:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FD236074A for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:11:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (yggdrasil.evilham.com [46.19.33.155]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BB3WR5fkwz3bZr for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:11:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from contact@evilham.com) Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by yggdrasil.evilham.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB3WH6GBqz11KR for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:11:39 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=evilham.com; h=from:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=mail; bh=xNa9pH9GCnb5RVcKdZiwmvDYGjE=; b=OpL8Hs k90lAE68MHlf8lswOg9Hf81OEhsc2dJQZqmTjNneYXN0WJi3AB0WgiqjS0EbrdMQ 2xC/JvA6Mk6DuSDCGhOL6nbiWW5D/QdgMg1frlge55CYCJKoYb1M313naY/Kww89 TYrrMGDjMWiJ9eUQmlihnghDUWs12/COeqkPA= Received: from yggdrasil.evilham.com (unknown [IPv6:2a0a:e5c1:121:1::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by yggdrasil.evilham.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BB3WH0cVyz11KQ for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:11:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Evilham To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland (Weston or Sway Compositor) on FreeBSD without X11 (Xorg)? References: In-reply-to: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:11:37 +0200 Message-ID: <2204c090-cd07-4828-afd0-135c76626413@yggdrasil.evilham.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BB3WR5fkwz3bZr X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=evilham.com header.s=mail header.b=OpL8Hs k; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=evilham.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of contact@evilham.com designates 46.19.33.155 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=contact@evilham.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.32)[0.322]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.044]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_DKIM_REJECT(0.00)[evilham.com:s=mail]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[evilham.com:-]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[evilham.com,none]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW_WITH_FAILURES(-0.50)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:196752, ipnet:46.19.32.0/21, country:NL]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:11:48 -0000 On dt., jul. 21 2020, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Hi All, > > I hope that everyone is doing well and truly hope that someone > can help me > on this as I have no idea how to proceed. > > I need a super ultra-thin graphic interface that will run a > single > application in fullscreen mode much like a Kiosk. > > The challenge is that Xorg is entirely too big and read that you > could run > Wayland using a compositor without Xorg which may be promising, > but I do > not know yet. > > The truth is that my core FreeBSD is coming in at about 30MB and > now I > would like to put a GUI on it to support the single application > while > hoping to try and also keep the total size absolutely as low as > possible. > If I could keep the whole thing under 100MB then that would be > awesome, but > I do not know if this can be done. > > In any case, the application FreeRDP and is supposed to have a > Wayland > client. I also tried to look into DirectFB (Direct Framebuffer) > and see > that FreeBSD can load it from the "pkg" system for which is says > that it > also loads > > wayland-1.18.0_3 Wayland composite "server" Hey, I recall having had a similar issue with freerdp in Wayland; I think at first it was because I used freerdp and not wlfreerdp! Maybe that's your issue? In the end, I started using remmina (in ports) which also has a kiosk mode (-k argument) that might be something of interest to you; having the GUI for a list of connections ended up being nice for me. It's kinda big, but it might shed some light into whether or not and maybe why wlfreerdp can work for you. Cheers and good luck :-). -- Evilham From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 17:08:57 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED243620D3 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:08:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x143.google.com (mail-il1-x143.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::143]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BB4nN2B8Jz3gH7 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x143.google.com with SMTP id a11so17091551ilk.0 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:08:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=79VJ7wuLhjrSLid13rujyI083ZbsjpBnz2UoU1MtFnc=; b=dRSt7j/zy+c/yuP9OUTYKamwNu2yQF7l5IxsNoyu6g1TvRLT3iyZHsKp0jS1CP0tpm fvGus+zdKuB/zcGg99+RAgKo1U4oznmE8tDBe0l2uxqZ2ZTlpUSYeTm+Zbwo7AV7a0+0 sHhZZoPUmflQkCTt08Iac+bEcTsFcY5r5FCFoFhCWdoovkX4oawEBWY8eoegTGFGHwon wrxwMsWVNYibaTDsl74z4IFqjfzoNF8Kz9hp5N1KF9MlcXNTohFP3C4jYs+galm3bCJn QvR7lQ3XERoSaZk9wKjkeEyZ9OQINiQFallOWobGf64SsVB8ipNLwDbf2Tfl1ffHInwc vowQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=79VJ7wuLhjrSLid13rujyI083ZbsjpBnz2UoU1MtFnc=; b=J4nTaJBQgWLhGDw9G645vCLChJwQMDReqUI+Ta3PjcEnbdswWxYhvnpzuCkAKcpg3O 1jMbO1vhtrwj0omCWAPYUhfVNwbonnulVdb7tNtEiL6r5JLC5p9bAGIPNKROzCkw0RBl 45XFLUMDfDVvGzQSlvZLO6pNil/pld1qYr31jG9vsTlt6wyeQMqn8L8nvCvuD9fF9mzT XThDjxL0uk7OMG7cO3Onnyvl6kdwsBBQF4T79+nUrT2VlS1tpTEU5as3nOBiSGBfDxXo ez49q/s6XkJ7rB/WWprDdj92cjMJ1Yi2sRF2FqNHap2dVBJGt/cwO3d0q8FN+CY3pGjK 7tYA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531FfvoH1ScsSEsDymnkjYbkuV26MX3egEt3+Kz7bPNsn0jL3mOn YSFTn9/u0CiXsCxYSU1X+A/d37brblSU8n87ZcOUCCVZe+4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx2T/qBWMzWZsEcMU6hLga8QXmoWSadyauRIrT6Fph42oqFs7/LCUGSJUC5FGkUfGlfV4BK31V24NVqDB6wUmU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1246:: with SMTP id j6mr28132439ilq.216.1595351335238; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:08:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2204c090-cd07-4828-afd0-135c76626413@yggdrasil.evilham.com> In-Reply-To: <2204c090-cd07-4828-afd0-135c76626413@yggdrasil.evilham.com> From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:08:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland (Weston or Sway Compositor) on FreeBSD without X11 (Xorg)? To: Evilham Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BB4nN2B8Jz3gH7 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=dRSt7j/z; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::143 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::143:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.403]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:08:57 -0000 Thanks for getting back to me on this. I was just wondering if maybe it is possible to build the Wayland Weston on FreeBSD with Direct Framebuffer (DirectFB) or similar instead of DRM which does not seem to be working. Just maybe that could be a solution but had not found any way to get Wayland or another compositor (Cage, etc.) to work with it yet. My test box is a Debian 10 that I have installed FreeBSD into a Virtualbox VM but I am wanting to eventually take the full plunge over to a complete FreeBDF with graphical desktop as well so that I do not have to develop in a VirtualBox setting but have not found the best FreeBSD, OpenBSD, FuryBSD, GhostBSD, or some other that has a GUI to work from. Will keep digging into it though. Cheers, Lonnie On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:12 PM Evilham wrote: > On dt., jul. 21 2020, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I hope that everyone is doing well and truly hope that someone > > can help me > > on this as I have no idea how to proceed. > > > > I need a super ultra-thin graphic interface that will run a > > single > > application in fullscreen mode much like a Kiosk. > > > > The challenge is that Xorg is entirely too big and read that you > > could run > > Wayland using a compositor without Xorg which may be promising, > > but I do > > not know yet. > > > > The truth is that my core FreeBSD is coming in at about 30MB and > > now I > > would like to put a GUI on it to support the single application > > while > > hoping to try and also keep the total size absolutely as low as > > possible. > > If I could keep the whole thing under 100MB then that would be > > awesome, but > > I do not know if this can be done. > > > > In any case, the application FreeRDP and is supposed to have a > > Wayland > > client. I also tried to look into DirectFB (Direct Framebuffer) > > and see > > that FreeBSD can load it from the "pkg" system for which is says > > that it > > also loads > > > > wayland-1.18.0_3 Wayland composite "server" > > > Hey, I recall having had a similar issue with freerdp in Wayland; > I think at first it was because I used freerdp and not wlfreerdp! > Maybe that's your issue? > > In the end, I started using remmina (in ports) which also has a > kiosk mode (-k argument) that might be something of interest to > you; having the GUI for a list of connections ended up being nice > for me. > It's kinda big, but it might shed some light into whether or not > and maybe why wlfreerdp can work for you. > > Cheers and good luck :-). > -- > Evilham > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 17:09:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBC3362135 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:09:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x132.google.com (mail-il1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BB4pV5PWvz3gCx for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:09:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x132.google.com with SMTP id t18so17051039ilh.2 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:09:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=N8pNOMsvMkQ4XSanpynsReuqy+u4zjEGCK15avnpiQg=; b=xRPVrY+YzF+X4YBw6vGNkrJiD/KrIZTW+mNylDSlnHsMruaeONXjK9ug9QeXhV5SCr BccrKTdTjkmNr0bPgk47wI2rto0r90sAXHS13NXTxnu4QRZEH4qSgeRv4cdbfqM0BODW ix0v7CFNFjq6HfomFMKTZM2QJ8ST4BRpdsAAGCvA37u0jfXpGvexRF8XOU+IFR+e0hIT u4D5yfT3HBuN+4+EBwBkZbfVC/7nerGHldm6VFizwQrbmkv3Tag9wxV8julZxoXj1XRz LW3qm3o7V7ALGC0BJocNMc+/yXuDCxzOq7HSeYhYcO9YIrh34BQzUFnT3EEGa2VDZK51 ZtSA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=N8pNOMsvMkQ4XSanpynsReuqy+u4zjEGCK15avnpiQg=; b=TjIHC8zT8iWnvWAyqZIVHAPudNXtqZiypoCC2WnP9REkhhwehC9jUxvBJ2feJRelWz 51X5O7BvGWOJoAVjIQNrwpXL0BBJNwiG13kaNfCTz6rJ2KOzzYujAtg+gdFapZrfUXCm UZO5gC/fIgOgslvCnQ0edDQTL57quRKyFanQvp4mrOae63wY1i2Vvd1cRES/gztHuqyR Mw9DyM5o1cF5jVK77+LAkZa64ixU+8bYtKxwWfLpiahLPQ+947039OiKU8EkYsZh5ADp DfOgklJ5crmteiay2F7utYHqNt7BuIC7svUDWULCJUqN4jiVijKtDxNim3WTQRLNBN8M kr6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531moIIhYDBTCyOlNRuOAx0f0dKjeWBeXMH6KuTIDW7DqnbP6+gd ENSgFWdhQ3H/oPIl8NgHQOgXWITVFZherzu5jG6Dp0+PJrzJhPNH X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJynja6ekuk9IO/nRkYKYdnc1UxLl54rsfezsADGo+Y3cYEZZiIL6uRze9GCXfPBWqSaLREJXu3PLxA5LW1lYAM= X-Received: by 2002:a92:8b11:: with SMTP id i17mr28789735ild.212.1595351393713; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:09:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5eee3f16-b0c1-cdf6-e69f-b4cb613ba5c2@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <5eee3f16-b0c1-cdf6-e69f-b4cb613ba5c2@nomadlogic.org> From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:09:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland (Weston or Sway Compositor) on FreeBSD without X11 (Xorg)? To: Pete Wright Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BB4pV5PWvz3gCx X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=xRPVrY+Y; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.978]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::132:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.41)[-0.408]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:09:55 -0000 Thanks Pete, I am looking into them now to see if they could be of some use for my goals. Truly appreciate your response. Cheers, Lonnie On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:06 PM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 7/21/20 6:56 AM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I hope that everyone is doing well and truly hope that someone can help > me > > on this as I have no idea how to proceed. > > > > I need a super ultra-thin graphic interface that will run a single > > application in fullscreen mode much like a Kiosk. > > > > The challenge is that Xorg is entirely too big and read that you could > run > > Wayland using a compositor without Xorg which may be promising, but I do > > not know yet. > > > > The truth is that my core FreeBSD is coming in at about 30MB and now I > > would like to put a GUI on it to support the single application while > > hoping to try and also keep the total size absolutely as low as possible. > > If I could keep the whole thing under 100MB then that would be awesome, > but > > I do not know if this can be done. > > > > In any case, the application FreeRDP and is supposed to have a Wayland > > client. I also tried to look into DirectFB (Direct Framebuffer) and see > > that FreeBSD can load it from the "pkg" system for which is says that it > > also loads > > > > wayland-1.18.0_3 Wayland composite "server" > > > > but when I tried to run the freerdp wfreerdp wayland client from the text > > screen, it says: > > > > failed to connect to Wayland display (null): no such file or directory > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions or advice on how I might proceed either > > with Wayland or some even some other possible solution? > > you probably need to install a Wayland display manager like sway or hikari: > https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/sway/ > https://www.freshports.org/x11-wm/hikari/ > > both of these will probably require puling in some Xorg dependencies > though (for input devices iirc). > > anyway taking a look at those as a starting point would probably be a > good first step, get them working then focus on stripping out what you > don't deem necessary to minimize your footprint. > > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 22:52:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251B636A059 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBDPl01BBz4Mfc for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id c16so105503ioi.9 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:52:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Hh1fIaUoRc8rHa62RdVVrxSEt1OV/No4QlHtdw5+wjQ=; b=epzwbufsTbmSltAA9KLaI4qfgi8s9o5Uh5SrlK5nBH6l1xZP0dTEbcxxELomxr1ceY rGRMTmwQJMygaFRIZiKpIBy43ZrWYFIT/RnGa6BfNF10p/xS24ZsbqojH/6d2rBqC+sN mDxK1dEhXiLNwDATrtZ/z7MjERw7FpeHfTNFbE0tza59TXZVIIW+9CCDLSotp0aHoVLk 89yEleAnK2cYFAtFqxMtBwUy7jS1jIUarAlYzrQtycYsaIuyfiiIWfbl8rA5PrVApGx4 lv2EM8k/XVd/BgG+Fapbi/XPSNf4+rKz9WfZG27z1DjagFwQpHbFRKq2Lw0ZkrAulSvj wXdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Hh1fIaUoRc8rHa62RdVVrxSEt1OV/No4QlHtdw5+wjQ=; b=bN59Z8bcVYzMdUlMBq9OWT5V/ffvoMFEFxRVlPmkGw85hugKliVyVVz7k7NyweBRnR t7NwaV85fLgQSWopX/HsLadGQ+Pal4ghQmI0Ob539QmTpSO3ibjv/ox5JIw1H77QdHxR +1+0sJELL9v0GCDCHMZQEMafUmdZySauI4v5JybX4bJhuDT28aK23Ea3OWnOgtFI/pgu SYXblHiFgSy5tYnoYktW/ubfDoEfqHDZbEe8RcrE43D4of3gW+JDGInPXmOelMmL9mwK uZCUKg6VcvWa5I3ZdSMpT0S8r9pwyQH7Dcl7O/KY2erjU3aInAk/fPzntc/JjOexo6Xv AjXA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531f/J7kpj1z3cbNhk5pywvanMs/e3wWCAGHaTOr4OLMLVmLSbiq 7BI+vJA6g092NROH631JG3lsgSHQJaiLDih96K6L7v9W3A3TeQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwimnYByERgVy5CxJVB0e4qer4wxWDpsIz8OvuzSqUI0uHDDjW+bf2K45tXZBkLfz5VJPGgrfwhqcmjzqft71I= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:7107:: with SMTP id q7mr29587219iog.86.1595371945402; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 15:52:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:52:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBDPl01BBz4Mfc X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=epzwbufs; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.72 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.05)[-0.050]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.60)[-0.599]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.57)[0.573]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:52:28 -0000 Greeting All, Although I am committed to now taking the plunge and go all of the way with the FreeBSD platform, I wanted to get a FreeBSD distro flavor that already had a desktop and I could just install while I work on this current FreeBSD related project that I am doing now. With that in mind, here is what I tried. 1. FreeBSD 12.1 (core iso) --- This one boos up great on my hardware but seems like it will take a bit of work to get a graphical environment setup, which I can do, but time is short right now. 2. FuryBSD --- This is supposed to basically be FreeBSD 12.1 with a graphical environment already setup, but for some reason, bot the KDR and XFCE (amd64) ISO's would not completely boot up and went to a blank screen. I could not even login on a non-graphical console. Strange. 3. GhostBSD --- This one also seems like they took the FreeBSD 12.1 iso and added a graphical frontend since I actually see it saying "Booting FreeBSD 12.1" as it comes up. To my surprise, GhostBSD seems to come up nicely. My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. Cheers, Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 23:19:45 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AEF36AE06 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBF1C6LJkz4NNL for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:19:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.43.118] (ip-173-117-35-26.brbnca.spcsdns.net [173.117.35.26]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 0ed0f89a (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? To: Lonnie Cumberland , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <73d46bd1-9cad-3786-2024-fa98a925d43d@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:19:34 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBF1C6LJkz4NNL X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.020]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.08)[0.081]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.117.35.26:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:19:45 -0000 On 7/21/20 3:52 PM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that > GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? > > I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend > the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the > lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a > fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. I like GhostBSD, I often use it to validate our graphics stack works as expected on new hardware.  I also find it refreshing to have an "opinionated" desktop environment, meaning the GhostBSD team put effort in to customize defaults for a great user experience. from my experience it seems to also do a good job not deviating too much from a vanilla FreeBSD install as well, so it may be a good choice to get more familiar with howto sysadmin a FreeBSD box while also having a usable graphical desktop with modern applications. cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 23:42:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD3736B352 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:42:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) Received: from EUR04-DB3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-oln040092074076.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.92.74.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail.protection.outlook.com", Issuer "GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBFVw1HJRz4Q2f for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bourne.identity@hotmail.com) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=G+TnbtUG4shQrHZ6+2FGf4nuYJmCvkrJifGLQqeYiOrWXwEk7ZBhF2KmIibOhOFmU41zwuLX+hsvCdbpaUg+BfPwlFQ4BRQLXTJkVDaBUlNlySAiiZPWe5GiMV6+L6bcgoQt1Ux8R9Nu0RBvlxBCryYFG+11qE2c89bieyll7ASSxO3FM7QnSrGqhXTASMiFb1lPrjZ2nWveDmKG49VTcAfh57vzuF1f/2JoxR17Uc9x2aVtN8w4coXXBqMYPPh0qkMwiNf8ptK/rgnC33ZuHhGV3PZ9k5bEp7CXKk2X4V4v2WrcbQfIFDkDX96+nEBwEjwbO+i5WXEgkQMQAcJBOA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=+dNyldhmPb8c30D0VUtJzrPQAai1uertQsmS0S5SnRs=; b=g6DJtYJ4CFeGfr1n44TUqaYxFLx6p0Sc58sgE+edra6q3cuTRIgofJ3JjLzJBgnMKkl6UgqD7T9/7rH7XXN0nyMcmT8S3zS4hV5E+uzeYm5hpL2ldHCMBtckQ14vpE7SKSoGiLJdiLoFaTaQ5AZI5kjt9kPaS9KIaZcw7xO86A5jPePk38LxdAO6KocBhwcPutJJ+A7lLlY+fXAVHbZW5nrZBjj+jZR6eHaDMHSJty73MKBTS+oGC+RdMbMW4TdZzY4HQkyCxzjRkRwSVSaFAyWvGSXjSFNtz2HNq/+9YiaghvPlG6RGgF9+QBBMEGY7vCnuC9eY8FRXa6ARZoCpTg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=none; dmarc=none; dkim=none; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=+dNyldhmPb8c30D0VUtJzrPQAai1uertQsmS0S5SnRs=; b=NKfSm87JMaFH7/GMszc6lwdygK0KlCN6YKljNXP9V6dS8jAJ9zluP9loOrd3JzbF6D6k+/YLzAHYz1T9mpYVbq9MpUe23fBy6sgKUFW/u+Op4gHAeAd7pg7FoCLfzEDWJj925mG20nkp84g7SzXkDxfkfBy0f3aO8lcO+gyZfCTJQNFIkFhNfWFOn8nty4XUcecT8PvJIWQPWPt4m29cmpVF/Gr/D0Ljgo2umD4K+TQhepv4wY9+ubMexo2PYE61QD1KSGc4DoDlMIQEtgvoOhVo1P0h9qMom05Zi9H0g1TfFaF/CC5Y2b+xvGe7wzLQwruxVV+BmssAosGR74MDIA== Received: from VI1EUR04FT032.eop-eur04.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:7e0e::49) by VI1EUR04HT023.eop-eur04.prod.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:7e0e::273) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3195.18; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:26:39 +0000 Received: from DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:7e0e::4e) by VI1EUR04FT032.mail.protection.outlook.com (2a01:111:e400:7e0e::123) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3195.18 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:26:39 +0000 X-IncomingTopHeaderMarker: OriginalChecksum:0CB35A8A2C615311105922384903146AF9CE05039520DFEE0D406AB6748B8CDF; UpperCasedChecksum:F59223A48B4382E642069DCA5B9D8E14D9BA8B34F563236E7B92F0F29DDEE13B; SizeAsReceived:8764; Count:48 Received: from DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c5d6:5a39:b92c:2266]) by DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::c5d6:5a39:b92c:2266%4]) with mapi id 15.20.3195.026; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:26:39 +0000 Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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Stick with FreeBSD, and do : `pkg install mkdesktop` mkdesktop is my own port. If you run mkdesktop (as root or toor - no arguments needed), it will ask a few simple questions, and setup your graphics/complete desktop/optionally Wine/Linuxulator as well as configure all your system files. Hope this helps, Manish Jain From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 23:47:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9315F36B566 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:47:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd35.google.com (mail-io1-xd35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBFdF36nXz4QMR for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:47:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd35.google.com with SMTP id c16so308664ioi.9 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:47:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=L/Q+SiUgNVV5IDT8brYrB+mHNrJO4Lqf8NfDYPt6V/k=; b=Eg8DSH72mXJ4zhrqjj+Nm+87f36+ljbhi/UHnSWWD/FaUkyZuahHzINAyYAQwg9Sss 9vamLGWe0i0icKD4c9hNRoWUgW0yNvhe9Pl2QRlsiT/70FINOyNwMfkHV4BEEPbYzo1S +bTGrUfYo91nzZW6GYG8Qu4RhiHhEAHoulphY4M9fZNnmaO4CepG5F9tQgSQfcnimUqa ZPN42zF6jt1Oxvx61Xsz7pcXo7wtEWayfDjsh+4mDFPLkgBns6NjXtPxAJu63iVUZbm1 JOzfNj5c4vWWCwDJjERA5FC6nvbzgu6UA/TYaO2Ldf84MhDXxuve3wAhchuZh7dKgcmp mDVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=L/Q+SiUgNVV5IDT8brYrB+mHNrJO4Lqf8NfDYPt6V/k=; b=mN5oTvbycZha3W1VdKvvh15/VBlVAZgr8d6x6ELBvc919cEHKp2j2ZZt3ZyieBJv87 rsWonHVHQU7oEDH2AnrdJr+gNMrko/ClNY/2milDdRT6KMItrUg1GZud/eIY65VQw/3u UGdO6NsqUva7QfuVZpEFZfGhXHHL7s8g82y3vGOOPzRyWxec51r2Srd7zsnSO8iZhLOc pmwAREFi4RfWg7LOpZx0SkLELcmsiNzIBTw/ags+OCss2+8Jc+N0ZeXZ+HZnrlfBCvj8 wRssxS/DCtHEmppD0aFIyR3Vk6Un3A4zPH+Jh8r2oNDE6VPJbzj1rjUpZfnAcaaxu+hb Z+ZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533oDMJ6+NtFHEQWxJQMqBgwbWL0qoKxpe2S1XowluOetY8znnf+ SOlQblYM4giJunDkUI58eHGL/IcYhaLrVze6SsBACYeGSErX3g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw8/s0Jx+ymj9ESwC4U4OAu36Tnt+OcghzrvVNAdGa5Ml3XMXaOQ7VfT9/8hNDPvNXeoy1p+JMn1NnpIpuA/ds= X-Received: by 2002:a02:5b83:: with SMTP id g125mr34551287jab.91.1595375248255; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:47:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <73d46bd1-9cad-3786-2024-fa98a925d43d@nomadlogic.org> In-Reply-To: <73d46bd1-9cad-3786-2024-fa98a925d43d@nomadlogic.org> From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:47:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? To: Pete Wright Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBFdF36nXz4QMR X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=Eg8DSH72; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.17 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.974]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.01)[0.014]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.010]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:47:30 -0000 Thanks Pete for the suggestion and I may go this route to get going. Either way, I think that tomorrow I will go ahead and do the migration to the FreeBSD side of the world away from Linux. Cheers, Lonnie On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:19 PM Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 7/21/20 3:52 PM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that > > GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? > > > > I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend > > the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the > > lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a > > fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. > I like GhostBSD, I often use it to validate our graphics stack works as > expected on new hardware. I also find it refreshing to have an > "opinionated" desktop environment, meaning the GhostBSD team put effort > in to customize defaults for a great user experience. > > from my experience it seems to also do a good job not deviating too much > from a vanilla FreeBSD install as well, so it may be a good choice to > get more familiar with howto sysadmin a FreeBSD box while also having a > usable graphical desktop with modern applications. > > cheers, > -pete > > -- > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 00:41:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309B036CD6E for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 00:41:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBGqT3450z4Syn for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 00:41:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.139.40]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 906E74E663; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:41:19 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <73d46bd1-9cad-3786-2024-fa98a925d43d@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:41:17 -0500 Cc: Lonnie Cumberland , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9490E82B-8047-4F7C-9B5B-7AF536DD4AD3@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <73d46bd1-9cad-3786-2024-fa98a925d43d@nomadlogic.org> To: Pete Wright X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBGqT3450z4Syn X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.06 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.51)[-0.513]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.40:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.40)[-0.399]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.624]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 00:41:26 -0000 > On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:19 PM, Pete Wright wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/21/20 3:52 PM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: >> My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that >> GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? >>=20 >> I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to = spend >> the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking = the >> lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do = a >> fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. > I like GhostBSD, I often use it to validate our graphics stack works = as expected on new hardware. I also find it refreshing to have an = "opinionated" desktop environment, meaning the GhostBSD team put effort = in to customize defaults for a great user experience. >=20 > from my experience it seems to also do a good job not deviating too = much from a vanilla FreeBSD install as well, so it may be a good choice = to get more familiar with howto sysadmin a FreeBSD box while also having = a usable graphical desktop with modern applications. >=20 I second what Pete said, I run GhostBSD on my laptop. I run FreeBSD on = workstation though, I just like more Mate desktop environment. Valeri > cheers, > -pete >=20 > --=20 > Pete Wright > pete@nomadlogic.org > @nomadlogicLA >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 06:01:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FDD372966 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 06:01:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (fournil.foucry.net [95.217.83.231]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBPx94XCkz3TPg for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 06:01:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mithril.localdomain (lfbn-dij-1-1446-49.w109-221.abo.wanadoo.fr [109.221.17.49]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6BEA1483D for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 06:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mithril (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id D585111611 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:01:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:01:33 +0200 From: Jacques Foucry To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? Message-ID: <20200722060133.GA60663@mithril> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBPx94XCkz3TPg X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=foucry.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jacques@foucry.net designates 95.217.83.231 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jacques@foucry.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.020]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.736]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[foucry.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.019]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:95.217.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 06:01:50 -0000 Le mardi 21 juil. 2020 à 18:52:14 (-0400), Lonnie Cumberland à écrit: Hello, > Greeting All, > > Although I am committed to now taking the plunge and go all of the way with > the FreeBSD platform, I wanted to get a FreeBSD distro flavor that already > had a desktop and I could just install while I work on this current FreeBSD > related project that I am doing now. > > With that in mind, here is what I tried. > > 1. FreeBSD 12.1 (core iso) --- This one boos up great on my hardware but > seems like it will take a bit of work to get a graphical environment setup, > which I can do, but time is short right now. > > 2. FuryBSD --- This is supposed to basically be FreeBSD 12.1 with a > graphical environment already setup, but for some reason, bot the KDR and > XFCE (amd64) ISO's would not completely boot up and went to a blank screen. > I could not even login on a non-graphical console. Strange. > > 3. GhostBSD --- This one also seems like they took the FreeBSD 12.1 iso and > added a graphical frontend since I actually see it saying "Booting FreeBSD > 12.1" as it comes up. > > To my surprise, GhostBSD seems to come up nicely. > > My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that > GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? > > I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend > the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the > lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a > fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. May be take a chance to nomadBSD (https://nomadbsd.org/). I did use it, I made my own laptop installation from FreeBSD. I explain it here (https://adminblog.foucry.net/posts/info/freebsd-thinkpad/)… I know that you did not have time to make your setup :-) Cheers and good luck. -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 11:23:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341843797CA for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-f195.google.com (mail-lj1-f195.google.com [209.85.208.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBY3s16tfz43FP for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:23:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lj1-f195.google.com with SMTP id h19so2035402ljg.13 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:23:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=i5srjlLpeWALAPap6WuwY3OPyyaHgYwJiBCpS036XD8=; b=Wla5CQN7OcqfocrZG16e4/HRxVdERtSKNkDTbcrglQ8l3lbDBdITBsSGCssB/4ajlK iA7YL6ZqUVmpFAUpuLBgh6L8Um9GswuAV9b9dwSffXwc1r77Bo9UWMRxnU5aNUaZD/dQ r4JbAIlmPu38qM3UtX7L85S/XhD4KxGFHxxn1xoCUUoS7ET7bPO4LZhK9NKFQaPx7dRz WkP00odVIChqevednhhMHxCZFFjcNAVUNwqNIFuiIwx9Y8vZD/G2Ed7bFX/yu/7r06BJ +egRP53hxHK23OLvQHXG4WDutgdwcw8bbTUoUb24a9odhufBFw2RJGRWTkTaLVXrODZ6 1dwA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532RG1g2xGF3V0fsZp6tE4N1PhuglsNNV3GbykXa1YkVJSQC7vZV iy4kvvFqzoUKrxQ4/YeTALSl26GIjeaMX/GRBCUJSBMr4Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyiPcqkyWUWilf4sASn5LhaddfGf9XzXaB4P7HCFb5Bs51DJKlNCZfTad9hJlVd3OtizDc3j9aWthZ05gXTTyY= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:864e:: with SMTP id i14mr15235175ljj.441.1595416982771; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:23:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Belics Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 06:22:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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That's a Linux term for their multitude of different packaging of the Linux kernel. FreeBSD is a complete operating system unto itself and you are either running FreeBSD or you are not. Some or all of the configurations you mention are just that--custom configurations of FreeBSD. 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On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:23 AM Rob Belics wrote: > > I wanted to get a FreeBSD distro flavor > > Don't call it a "distro". That's a Linux term for their multitude of > different packaging of the Linux kernel. FreeBSD is a complete operating > system unto itself and you are either running FreeBSD or you are not. Some > or all of the configurations you mention are just that--custom > configurations of FreeBSD. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 12:53:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3700437BC21 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:53:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBb3m59NTz48gs for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:53:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MIdNt-1k3wrg449N-00Edxk; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:52:54 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:52:53 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Rob Belics Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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That's a Linux term for their multitude of > different packaging of the Linux kernel. FreeBSD is a complete operating > system unto itself and you are either running FreeBSD or you are not. Some > or all of the configurations you mention are just that--custom > configurations of FreeBSD. That is correct - those are additions, modifications and pre-existing configurations for FreeBSD + selected set of packages. The OS at its core is always the same. The big difference to Linux is that there is no "the OS". The different distributions select themselves what they consider "the OS": the Linux kernel, and then a certain selection of software. Depending on distribution target audience and usage scope, this can vary greatly among the different distributions. Even the mechanism of how this software is combined, i. e., the package manager, can be different. This also applies for what is the startup mechanism, what is the default scripting shell, or what is the logging mechanism. For the... yes, how to call them correctly? Flavors? Flavors of FreeBSD? Well, for those, the OS component, containing system initialization, the package manager, and so on, is the same. A notable exception was TrueOS (ex PC-BSD) which added PBI - "push button install", a custom method of installing and maintaining software packages. Or are those better be called versions of FreeBSD? Or variants of FreeBSD? Or FreeBSD-derived systems? Or custom FreeBSD builds? Oh, and the "D" in "BSD" already means "distribution". BSD = Berkeley Software Distribution. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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That's a good naming choice. The Linux distro Ubuntu provides different "flavours", all their modifications apply to your description of FreeBSD "flavours", while even other Ubuntu "based" Linux distributions usually don't. We should stay with common terms, if possible, since we will lose a lot technical terms soon, due to misinterpreted speech, keyword "inclusive language". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 15:12:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C662937ECD5 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBf8f0x4Wz4K7p for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jyGL2-0007Kg-FC for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:07:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Unmounting usb disk impossible Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:07:15 +0200 Message-ID: Reply-To: mbj@mbjnet.dk User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Mail-Copies-To: Never X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBf8f0x4Wz4K7p X-Spamd-Bar: +++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.95 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mbj@mbjnet.dk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_QUARANTINE(1.50)[mbjnet.dk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,quarantine]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.38)[-0.378]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.11)[0.109]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.29)[-0.285]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:12:34 -0000 Hi I simply cannot unmount my usb disk. It is mounted by automount/autofs on /media/da0s1. I try to unmount it like this sudo umount -At autofs but it replies with the error message umount: unmount of /media failed: Device busy I run lsof grepping for "/media" or "da0s1" both with and without sudo. Nothing shows. I got no terminals accessing the mount point, no zombie processes or anything. If the error message is really correct and some process is actually accessing /media, how do I find it if lsof shows nothing? Any other advice? 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Yes, it's incredibly stable.=C2=A0 Yes, it's well designed and implemented.= =C2=A0 Yes, as my 80+ y.o. mother-in-law will tell you, it's easy to use.= =C2=A0 (I don't have to spend 1-3 hours removing malware, spyware and virus= es on the Windoze desktop she used to have.=C2=A0 (She went from PC-BSD, to= TrueOS to GhostBSD over the last 7 years....=C2=A0 and my life has been wo= nderful when visiting since.... :D ) SO... kudos to their team.=C2=A0 It prompts when it finds updates necessary= and it's so very useful in finding, installing, removing software via thei= r 'software station'. Yes, I'm a big fan. Paul On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 6:52:35 PM EDT, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: =20 =20 Greeting All, Although I am committed to now taking the plunge and go all of the way with the FreeBSD platform, I wanted to get a FreeBSD distro flavor that already had a desktop and I could just install while I work on this current FreeBSD related project that I am doing now. With that in mind, here is what I tried. 1. FreeBSD 12.1 (core iso) --- This one boos up great on my hardware but seems like it will take a bit of work to get a graphical environment setup, which I can do, but time is short right now. 2. FuryBSD --- This is supposed to basically be FreeBSD 12.1 with a graphical environment already setup, but for some reason, bot the KDR and XFCE (amd64) ISO's would not completely boot up and went to a blank screen. I could not even login on a non-graphical console. Strange. 3. GhostBSD --- This one also seems like they took the FreeBSD 12.1 iso and added a graphical frontend since I actually see it saying "Booting FreeBSD 12.1" as it comes up. To my surprise, GhostBSD seems to come up nicely. My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. Cheers, Lonnie _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " =20 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 16:36:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91CA83588D2 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:36:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBh1q6rSLz4QBq for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:36:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-23-243-161-111.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.161.111]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 336d1e4b (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200722060133.GA60663@mithril> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:36:40 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200722060133.GA60663@mithril> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBh1q6rSLz4QBq X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.05 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.09)[0.091]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.84)[-0.838]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.10)[0.097]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[23.243.161.111:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:36:49 -0000 On 7/21/20 11:01 PM, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Le mardi 21 juil. 2020 à 18:52:14 (-0400), Lonnie Cumberland à écrit: > Hello, >> Greeting All, >> >> Although I am committed to now taking the plunge and go all of the way with >> the FreeBSD platform, I wanted to get a FreeBSD distro flavor that already >> had a desktop and I could just install while I work on this current FreeBSD >> related project that I am doing now. >> >> With that in mind, here is what I tried. >> >> 1. FreeBSD 12.1 (core iso) --- This one boos up great on my hardware but >> seems like it will take a bit of work to get a graphical environment setup, >> which I can do, but time is short right now. >> >> 2. FuryBSD --- This is supposed to basically be FreeBSD 12.1 with a >> graphical environment already setup, but for some reason, bot the KDR and >> XFCE (amd64) ISO's would not completely boot up and went to a blank screen. >> I could not even login on a non-graphical console. Strange. >> >> 3. GhostBSD --- This one also seems like they took the FreeBSD 12.1 iso and >> added a graphical frontend since I actually see it saying "Booting FreeBSD >> 12.1" as it comes up. >> >> To my surprise, GhostBSD seems to come up nicely. >> >> My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that >> GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? >> >> I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend >> the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the >> lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a >> fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. > May be take a chance to nomadBSD (https://nomadbsd.org/). I did use it, I made > my own laptop installation from FreeBSD. I explain it here (https://adminblog.foucry.net/posts/info/freebsd-thinkpad/)… > > I know that you did not have time to make your setup :-) oh yea - nomadBSD is awesome too!  It's saved me a couple time as well.  It runs fast well from a USB thumb drive. cheers, -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 16:45:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08466358AF3 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x42e.google.com (mail-pf1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBhCX6mCZz4Qx4 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:45:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dwilde1@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id j20so1582708pfe.5 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:45:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=NiIaf2emT+ijVNnvOnryZ+I6TXgNl+fAY/qNxnJycgk=; b=MI4vgDP45Wty8g9jXjCMqWkoZ0YodjClMrW3oi0tjKRfqBAzYAWHLS8O+dj/iVF+h/ YOFIYntj86sX3OMMnHweHGCrOCK2tnVuK4pTQ/PydyOmLOU/RqcQpNiNYyYZr+stmb9k nULUIRMoHCjtwVE6qeY27SEc+o4lZt/09r3OOTxNk3A1wQsVVtP4e/dY8eRjzUEt31Bw T9JgjFkykqA9DidlGXtjmMLIra3RIRrdu2nrpaaLenTf4mnCf5mHrWh/3ab6qzeZG8BX FZz/RJxBwiIWAYNBTBP+XNdO2DamfA6JCEjY8eosY4fZUphKksMWC6a9LkcWvjHy7rDB Iilg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=NiIaf2emT+ijVNnvOnryZ+I6TXgNl+fAY/qNxnJycgk=; b=RhtqK6TbdEA+04yJFp/jmYLbwFy0naYwkyu1G7OMDHBeTp/hTCFAiR7rfPM/Uqm6pt DZVZk16ce9ph+G1j8jg86uvfzRHtdVpD2NtvjEuybLjlpGBwDeb1eCArs0gMYbljlVjW SuAUnle8vvTlRVlpAflYnbSsnqheLe/6l+oyHN5VL6BV6RG3KPSuBqIZUw+KH9XXyRvF QyP1FvQVgFxVgivqlVYbVuwzAkxC7ra79W/aQIm9dOFyeZZM0JY9je57YqHxAq/wSU3Q QyqA6zqXQDBseC4hdZ4ok1swbZDSxXh85VOVva/3E5usfIIVrrdaO+TFTkJikLmC8RPC VYmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533eSyiUrj9t7lxVeAx54JFW79do7p9P/L9SqI9obktLyaZtf7RH WFGk4WdQTD490WkA1LT7RMXXlbrXif4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwuDC28NqevNWAHi4+Xx0+Nf2spwz4WvKHZDLUBzDQxwkQfLRyvVQ6eAlteVKOSxVr+/b4FEg== X-Received: by 2002:a62:1801:: with SMTP id 1mr502953pfy.242.1595436310900; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (184-98-239-89.phnx.qwest.net. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1720589882.5509006.1595431360144@mail.yahoo.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:45:08 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1720589882.5509006.1595431360144@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBhCX6mCZz4Qx4 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=MI4vgDP4; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.67 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[184.98.239.89:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.946]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.987]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.267]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:45:14 -0000 On 7/22/20 8:22 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi Lonnie, > GhostBSD is FreeBSD running a MATE Desktop. > Yes, it's incredibly stable.  Yes, it's well designed and implemented.  Yes, as my 80+ y.o. mother-in-law will tell you, it's easy to use.  (I don't have to spend 1-3 hours removing malware, spyware and viruses on the Windoze desktop she used to have.  (She went from PC-BSD, to TrueOS to GhostBSD over the last 7 years....  and my life has been wonderful when visiting since.... :D ) > SO... kudos to their team.  It prompts when it finds updates necessary and it's so very useful in finding, installing, removing software via their 'software station'. > Yes, I'm a big fan. > Paul > > On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 6:52:35 PM EDT, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > Greeting All, > > Although I am committed to now taking the plunge and go all of the way with > the FreeBSD platform, I wanted to get a FreeBSD distro flavor that already > had a desktop and I could just install while I work on this current FreeBSD > related project that I am doing now. > > With that in mind, here is what I tried. > > 1. FreeBSD 12.1 (core iso) --- This one boos up great on my hardware but > seems like it will take a bit of work to get a graphical environment setup, > which I can do, but time is short right now. > > 2. FuryBSD --- This is supposed to basically be FreeBSD 12.1 with a > graphical environment already setup, but for some reason, bot the KDR and > XFCE (amd64) ISO's would not completely boot up and went to a blank screen. > I could not even login on a non-graphical console. Strange. > > 3. GhostBSD --- This one also seems like they took the FreeBSD 12.1 iso and > added a graphical frontend since I actually see it saying "Booting FreeBSD > 12.1" as it comes up. > > To my surprise, GhostBSD seems to come up nicely. > > My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that > GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? > > I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend > the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the > lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a > fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. Okay, so I bit. Manish, I started using your 'mkdesktop', but I stopped. No matter what I do, it wants to give me all kinds of what the Doze world calls 'accessories'. GhostBSD seems to want to do the same thing. MATE is every bit as fat as Ubuntu! I want an intermediate step where I can choose what to add after the desktop is installed. I don't see that any of these GUI installers help a whole bunch for what I want. I can see their usefulness for those who come from the Doze or Mac -- or even Ubuntu -- worlds, but that's not where I want to go. I'll just do it the old-fashioned way because I want to know what's getting installed. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 17:05:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615E4359727 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBhfk4mwTz4Ry0 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-23-243-161-111.socal.res.rr.com [23.243.161.111]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 61f29251 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1720589882.5509006.1595431360144@mail.yahoo.com> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:05:17 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBhfk4mwTz4Ry0 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.12 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.921]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.20)[0.198]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.10)[-0.100]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[23.243.161.111:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:05:19 -0000 On 7/22/20 9:45 AM, Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/22/20 8:22 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: >> > Okay, so I bit. Manish, I started using your 'mkdesktop', but I > stopped. No matter what I do, it wants to give me all kinds of what > the Doze world calls 'accessories'. > > GhostBSD seems to want to do the same thing. MATE is every bit as fat > as Ubuntu! I want an intermediate step where I can choose what to add > after the desktop is installed. you might want to give nomadbsd a spin then.  it's pretty light weight since it's built to run off of a USB drive and is based on Openbox for the UI which is also pretty light weight. i think the value is that it takes care of lots of the fiddling with configs and installing pkgs so that audio, 3d graphics and things like that work out of the box. -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 17:18:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39614359CE4 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:18:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBhyQ0gySz4TN0 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:18:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBhyN1mJ7zFdr8 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:18:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595438332; bh=SzcICAm2HBZXFXwy0M9myHpMR2L4D3rRhVfGawPqryY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=DqLqW+inPZPpchztIMOBYYQ3l6rTFblH2pEgCEpz2acIL4/DBDxBpa8VnNX+xUWe3 ObIVl/Qx9MK6hf0WaVhyOHp+diuorUaTosGC6yUr3nUAqH6Vv8xMzk3vePd8ozLa2P ii7ps3ZJI/UGMfqSOei8aq3F7cKk1jvNbZ+8Bfg8= X-Riseup-User-ID: D2CE15BA3685B900ED40B12CBB9230C9FF76FE041F177ECD746119F317636107 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BBhyM3zwcz8tgT for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:18:56 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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Until now I didn't really use it, but I dd'ed it to an USB stick a while back. I'm positively surprised, but have to admit that I'm anyway an openbox user. However, it detects the hardware and provides IMO useful default settings. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 17:45:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9223135A881 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ot1-x332.google.com (mail-ot1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBjXn4cSrz4W40 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ot1-x332.google.com with SMTP id d4so2409852otk.2 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=bdmrVSrHHmmRrNmXYEeee1xsqaCTqVhkcanT66XwWL0=; b=aS9iJG7tqBfAz+Kdla0A8HLPT5oof3lBGqayso16ZUdxdCmvcEdjc+uyBhxD9U4sPj 5wJHh3sfe5Kzylz8n9u4L+6tsFBsGAhpErAjJVAEOdmWV6kNxBrKhWxYpd6ILpIGqPP1 bRZFO6cZLUGysaKS98uPgcsgMjHvF7f23kpXafMBSBi/VFjytCjeEBLp1M4YxupfzyKP 7PugEA+gH0LU/Iz7V8b62+gXDSwn8x0H6S/sNDm4s59VSXM5B0aTK8oLoJbZfEQ8305T +LXH2m7nUT8+DBWx/xYD9XbrHceLBdFUKEgdfXKuRtvWKYiZw+yALFSGxwKhZMB6ED1T HicA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=bdmrVSrHHmmRrNmXYEeee1xsqaCTqVhkcanT66XwWL0=; b=XxMXBB4j/U2nOY2RnvHcWm77AgzMcryNROFzCG1WZZU893eGdEL7FVWZ+Xl/dFXIEd lGF1Q/X8bWEIWEw6OS5oDC05dptE5qwVs5ZJL4VTPTHtU8PcjrBrnBYT5AYyyF3QXqfK m2ObVjQfwMlHF0ZozsNjsCSg/wMyJ4tEl3LS5LopIrGM7OIhrm/xHP40dhJNd333bYIP j8qyCJIiOO0Uu6VL6Y3CyG2kmeIoBdr3DC1Y52x3et+17z1CkCt071xSUS4ejVdJkzBQ gIBZ+6Okw+JtMPvSOIIEHp4UANUN2BN2zDQQbRsnNWR+//CVURy/RRoY63wYcUlFAWL3 KsVg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530PrXinRiJI8nps7yLrO4yrptlktkLbNSMKNCTq5RIeIBlC3dhK dBBylHCGB/fPlDIdOOpW7Tl78mkY37KpptjCVQB9W3D8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQCfWjUy1EDcSLQmfwa+crnaBeZidlR+hkfAQfbgiZkoOhblAcN4Jbo4xN8muDOuBPBGc6Vy/iGL5RfAL6Y1Q= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:22ca:: with SMTP id q10mr936246otc.265.1595439912507; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:45:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:44:35 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible To: mbj@mbjnet.dk, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Cc: Morten Bo Johansen X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBjXn4cSrz4W40 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=aS9iJG7t; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::332 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.13 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.979]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.983]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::332:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.16)[-0.164]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:45:14 -0000 On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:12 PM Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Hi > > I simply cannot unmount my usb disk. It is mounted by automount/autofs > on /media/da0s1. I try to unmount it like this > > sudo umount -At autofs > > but it replies with the error message > > umount: unmount of /media failed: Device busy > > I run lsof grepping for "/media" or "da0s1" both with and > without sudo. Nothing shows. > > I got no terminals accessing the mount point, no zombie > processes or anything. > > If the error message is really correct and some process is > actually accessing /media, how do I find it if lsof shows nothing? > > Any other advice? > > Thanks, > Morten > > > > _______________________________________________ > > You did not write your mount statement . It seems that your umount statement is completely wrong . https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=umount&sektion=8 umount You are saying that "Unmount ALL of the mounted files in "fstab" . Please check manual of "umount" to write specific file(s) to unmount . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 17:58:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7ED35A897 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:58:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBjr832Htz4Wgr for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:58:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jyJ0e-0009Q2-UB for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:58:28 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:58:22 +0200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: mbj@mbjnet.dk User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Mail-Copies-To: Never X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBjr832Htz4Wgr X-Spamd-Bar: ++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.90 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mbj@mbjnet.dk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.19)[-0.191]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_QUARANTINE(1.50)[mbjnet.dk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,quarantine]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.66)[-0.664]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.750]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:58:33 -0000 On 2020-07-22 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > You did not write your mount statement . I don't know what it is. It is automounted > It seems that your umount statement is completely wrong . > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=umount&sektion=8 > umount > > You are saying that > > "Unmount ALL of the mounted files in "fstab" . No, that is not what I am saying. This is from man autofs: To unmount all mounted autofs filesystems: umount -At autofs That was my command. And as you can see, it actually tries to unmount the usb disk under /media - which is correct. It just fails with this "device busy" error. I need to find out which process is accessing the mount point. 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To: Don Wilde Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBjrX4909z4WyV X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BisWTq4o; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of mesanliturk@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=mesanliturk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.20 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.22)[-0.219]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.980]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.003]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::32f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:58:53 -0000 On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 7:45 PM Don Wilde wrote: > > On 7/22/20 8:22 AM, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Hi Lonnie, > > GhostBSD is FreeBSD running a MATE Desktop. > > Yes, it's incredibly stable. Yes, it's well designed and implemented. > Yes, as my 80+ y.o. mother-in-law will tell you, it's easy to use. (I > don't have to spend 1-3 hours removing malware, spyware and viruses on the > Windoze desktop she used to have. (She went from PC-BSD, to TrueOS to > GhostBSD over the last 7 years.... and my life has been wonderful when > visiting since.... :D ) > > SO... kudos to their team. It prompts when it finds updates necessary > and it's so very useful in finding, installing, removing software via their > 'software station'. > > Yes, I'm a big fan. > > Paul > > > > On Tuesday, July 21, 2020, 6:52:35 PM EDT, Lonnie Cumberland < > lonnie@outstep.com> wrote: > > > > Greeting All, > > > > Although I am committed to now taking the plunge and go all of the way > with > > the FreeBSD platform, I wanted to get a FreeBSD distro flavor that > already > > had a desktop and I could just install while I work on this current > FreeBSD > > related project that I am doing now. > > > > With that in mind, here is what I tried. > > > > 1. FreeBSD 12.1 (core iso) --- This one boos up great on my hardware but > > seems like it will take a bit of work to get a graphical environment > setup, > > which I can do, but time is short right now. > > > > 2. FuryBSD --- This is supposed to basically be FreeBSD 12.1 with a > > graphical environment already setup, but for some reason, bot the KDR and > > XFCE (amd64) ISO's would not completely boot up and went to a blank > screen. > > I could not even login on a non-graphical console. Strange. > > > > 3. GhostBSD --- This one also seems like they took the FreeBSD 12.1 iso > and > > added a graphical frontend since I actually see it saying "Booting > FreeBSD > > 12.1" as it comes up. > > > > To my surprise, GhostBSD seems to come up nicely. > > > > My question to the mailing list is this. Is it accurate to say that > > GhostBSD is just FreeBSD with a graphical environment added? > > > > I ask, because I want to stay with FreeBSD, but just do not want to spend > > the time right now setting up the GUI and fine tuning, so I am taking the > > lazy way for the time being and will come back at a later time to do a > > fresh FreeBSD install from scratch. > Okay, so I bit. Manish, I started using your 'mkdesktop', but I stopped. > No matter what I do, it wants to give me all kinds of what the Doze > world calls 'accessories'. > > GhostBSD seems to want to do the same thing. MATE is every bit as fat as > Ubuntu! I want an intermediate step where I can choose what to add after > the desktop is installed. > > I don't see that any of these GUI installers help a whole bunch for what > I want. I can see their usefulness for those who come from the Doze or > Mac -- or even Ubuntu -- worlds, but that's not where I want to go. I'll > just do it the old-fashioned way because I want to know what's getting > installed. > > -- > Don Wilde > **************************************************** > * What is the Internet of Things but a system * > * of systems including humans? * > **************************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > > Installation of FreeBSD desktop is not so difficult . Assume that you have installed a FreeBSD iso . Prepare a shell script on a medium suitable for you : NFS , CD , or USB stick , etc . In that script specify only parts you want to install such as pkg install Xorg pkg install XFCE ( please write part names correctly ) Apply your script . Whatever you want , they will be installed just as you want . Obviously , you can use your script ( perhaps with updates , if required ) for your all other similar installs . Difficult part is to set some parameters of installed parts . This requires some knowledge . 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FreeBSD is hosted on my first disk, which is SATA SSD. With NVME, Linux seems to have a problem on my system and freezes randomly. I am thinking of moving the Linux installation from ext4 to XFS to see if that fixes the system. My question in this regard is simple : Can FreeBSD fsck XFS filesystems, just like it can fsck ext2/3/4 ? 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Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:22:09 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: odd issue affecting firefox (any version) on freebsd (any version) Message-ID: <20200722182209.GA46914@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBkN01N1hz4YPG X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=PzsFwTmh; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=BoXdSF9/; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.76 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[zyxst.net:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.978]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[66.111.4.25:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.25]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zyxst.net]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[zyxst.net:+,messagingengine.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.08)[-1.080]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11403, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.25:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:22:41 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is a really odd problem which I haven't a clue how to debug. I use fastmail.com for my email. Sometimes, I'll want to use a web browser (firefox in this instance) to look at mail via their webmail. I have, among= st other machines, my main desktop machine running 12-stable/kf5/plasma. If I use firefox at the site to compose email, I can compose it but when I = try to send it I get "sending failed" and this is real, the mail is not sent. I= f I run firefox (same version) from an ubuntu machine, I *can* send mail. If I run iridium on the desktop machine and do the same thing, I *can* send email. I have tried this from a pristine freebsd-current vm as well. I get the same result as I do from my freebsd-desktop. That machine, as it's a vm, does not run a DE. fastmail support haven't a clue about this issue, not that I'd expect them = to in this instance as it's far outside of their support remit. So why can I not use *specifically freebsd firefox* to send email from fastmail.com's webmail? How can I debug this? Is it a headers thing? thanks, --=20 J. --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl8Yg+IACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXz8g/+IceSbC0V0HR2O+/SDa4QZ9RxyxNO/RnekQmWCBBOtSUr+EikA982Y4tZ FvtOJz7D2IpTb9R/wPfmkguNtnynftLuC7Xot76uYj/P3iB3Er5Kis2/kaOmsjWX 9+CBPCTOpGWiSe2ul9zpqJmjZoEFYJWdfF610gEarJTrcfnNm3RmigqJEREHEpcF rvyFotLuGfjqovDqS/mBgUdHtXRCD1Q/kdTwOr/g0kNzsV0jafeNXSuM1MFXyOaT Q2LlZ38UftAH7vI3GsqGy0/PQPxVfJV1bCwf1KcHltB/Zq+Cc3m1R9Kbv5pWZyJJ wLXyUi3Ku00NsWDflIfdxU0M6qxH/84wFTGH9t/kKFydL14oW7e2HBGogxLbTl69 hWIifnlSkScrQ+YobM15i8LQDl7PDiFcLq5zablpGLppYQzabateQFh2mhyrr7vb k+I3CTrDxe462DhERK3ENs5XD4w7SPpCu+a8xK+IYz8oq6rzlTVGm2x/ETg49aj5 G4OSNDk4Qv2qQFUUmGPjFtzCZfUPJvr7X+AUvXXhVlDGmmhsJiBTzWNAEx7jtgVh 9UMWP5ucDZsHJ4W44p4OoXhKqohQ9SIJsWFwyX0/v2wu9OanLpCIfQdssMHKrLY3 +BsZQS8Idean9COscZ/AsuVk7Z/qNxG4wcMCuHZ3x1DROqkOTiU= =Bi1k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 18:33:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45E135BF01 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBkcB2NZ7z4Z3m for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:33:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M1IRY-1jwfew0Q2c-002pAY; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:33:08 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:33:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Paul Pathiakis Cc: Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions , Lonnie Cumberland Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 18:41:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFB735BF8E for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:41:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBknK6QCZz4ZJW for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:41:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MekGB-1kYl1S1QTV-00amxK; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:41:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:41:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Don Wilde Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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I can see their usefulness for those who come from the Doze or > Mac -- or even Ubuntu -- worlds, but that's not where I want to go. I'll > just do it the old-fashioned way because I want to know what's getting > installed. The problem with desktop environments, not limited to MATE, or Xfce, or Lxde, is that they come with their equivalent of "accessories" - little programs that you might or might not need. If you wish to avoid this, install a graphical file manager and a window manager, but keep in mind that this is _not_ a desktop environment anymore! I tend to do this because I wish to have control over what is being installed, and I also use software from any "GUI lands" which are part of the Linux and UNIX experience: KDE programs, Gtk programs, and I don't care about "visual consistency" - it has been gone, it no longer exists, not even on the Mac (and "Windows" has said goodbye to it long time ago). So I only need to required libraries, but not the stuff a full desktop would include. For example, I have a "service system" that runs FreeBSD with the IceWM window manager (theme "metal2"), plus the program wbar (Warlock bar), and a Mac background image. It looks very expensive, and I tend to start all the different Gtk / Qt / ... programs via terminal, except for those already present in wbar (typical stuff like Firefox, an audio mixer, WiFi manager, LibreOffice and so on). Most desktop environments have moved to "let's include everything, maybe someone needs it, and when it's not there they'll complain" approach. "Old-fashioned" desktops like Mate or Cinnamon have quite good control over what additional parts to install, Gnome 3, in my opinion, does not fit: even though you can configure a lot, it feels like you have to fight the system to make it do what you want, instead a system supporting your workflow. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 18:43:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB40035C324 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:43:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBkqf5Yt5z4ZQH for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:43:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N6KQZ-1krYyR0NuD-016k7V; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:43:06 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:43:05 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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I'm positively surprised, but have to admit that I'm > anyway an openbox user. However, it detects the hardware and provides > IMO useful default settings. Like FreeSBIE - the live CD systems - did a decade ago, maybe you remember those? I think they also used Openbox or Xfce (you could choose - lightweight GUI, heavier GUI, or CLI mode). --=20 Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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At least there is sysutils/xfsprogs which contains fsck.xfs (along with other xfs-related tools, comparable to the e2fsprogs package); maybe you can try this? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 18:59:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F0335CC43 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBlBJ06Z8z4bJV for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:59:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MPGJf-1kAlmC2t2L-00PhKg; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:59:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:59:17 +0200 From: Polytropon To: mbj@mbjnet.dk Cc: Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions , Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible Message-Id: <20200722205917.7e81b5bc.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:18yRPtH+GSDnuHtkDvLhrMHEXkBb0UY8tQ05FGMpvdlA91P1xt2 rcSuMwswLS7MV33k7LaiJMyvolMx2nQJrQJ7KIkHTISlVE9gmWDKMseQPzx/d5iRI+dxs2k ket3H84OGT0BaSZ37zLDW1wRNLyC+AJtgZMhAZ5pmm+3DgUs0Pla5fFRUYjHtfSinRBXnQ6 RgH4mJBkkTbp4nT7JfkSQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:W2cE0Lb63pg=:JCuRhWUifWfc2soa3F535+ ZjtjUgzg3BW0NHqrGoJIjOwVpNMA4WoO9FkwjGxYer7OSTrNJ+t/jl8ljTQJiRt8kQJ40jzAG 7ftay3ug18V+wyRLjwbjOAmDr1jpnFMWxZy1TKKeiP0NhEuyFWJRjHWEMZ/v/FrZUqQaeH05V ynhdmDfVyOdr0kJ8ASIlvlNHjXcvVp9rWEAz0QufF/nUJ4DKRMQIkyvxzhDX191S93mPIv035 oMIk6V9pPQQAkVw7YUrk6usfpPRWLTomwqZ9hfgtTtZdvcsAasYlzatpN7V7nbyZK02TFSWnl RMdnoGsa4DSysFYJqFkVl12oTXfRdGJidjAm4qjovboZ4Imh0WIQ5bfFksoB5+xi3vgDLfzWj K4ZS0VDWP5WVWRB+qzwviz9YvXBzscCLSM+hOkG2UYHGZY9RuMEd9hHmY7S15pxv7tuD3oJxl nRPRZQIOnxy5v3V4M28a+2fip8B3W/m9i3Y5yLYRUDUjLKlCWQztBUdXfRAGdY1lL3hWK+PzB EUxk+NzIaachR+Q0z6JFiwB94jxD6jqSdC+OKGnxsEFbbxmQLMCVdRSGqSW3gbBv7Swj0hHTG l+O6ieE9CMty7ntZMWyaZ12+rvmbJJ5nebXjr5jhEK6+AMGTrVOjmnhH7tH8D2qtZhWSvUwVm 4c2GsCzMcNseIlFOr9uu46GLClEA5dPfS8NjqWR8UqV+1rHURxAPPgC9GI4Eti9d7jEF2X8i6 Z4hbQohjd7FCNSmdOY9SPTJZFRSswNReztSRxR2ITBv8Qbf5Fcs6AEcaBZ78g2oe+wbdNxRSu B5zAgbxq2kvlkKeusLmtBw4ZojAlnoA7+h9McmEOtof3Sxk7INz9+pFUADrw35AhhtuJ42q X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBlBJ06Z8z4bJV X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.73) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.63 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.47)[-0.469]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.37.32:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.07)[-0.070]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.77)[0.767]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.73:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:59:21 -0000 On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:58:22 +0200, Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions wrote: > On 2020-07-22 Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > > You did not write your mount statement . > > I don't know what it is. It is automounted > > > It seems that your umount statement is completely wrong . > > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=umount&sektion=8 > > umount > > > > You are saying that > > > > "Unmount ALL of the mounted files in "fstab" . > > No, that is not what I am saying. This is from man autofs: > > To unmount all mounted autofs filesystems: > > umount -At autofs > > That was my command. And as you can see, it actually tries to > unmount the usb disk under /media - which is correct. It just > fails with this "device busy" error. I need to find out which > process is accessing the mount point. This command interpretation is similarly listed in "man 1 umount", i. e., "umount -a -t ". However, have you checked that the filesystems beneath /media, mounted by automountd, are listed in /etc/fstab? This is a required condition according to the manual page. In worst case, try to add the -f (force) option to umount. You should then verify, at least for testing, that the filesystems in question are consistent (use fsck accordingly). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 19:20:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A30E35D1D5 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:20:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBlfg2qR9z4d2t for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:20:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBlfM6BnjzFdqM for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595445626; bh=V+gIhRbttl6LL93c2ZSs+N0cR1wu9fwbkyanvhbHFPk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=e+S51kcpJp2Pho8bTawiZm8Mwq/3S3YQu2t4g88Sd5BG2p+z2XKt8QHgpRE3BAxdx LHWVC2Sr4TW8y9hreQNmv3YtAuqI6jcoJcCDvYSwDhJXmC+pRCfJJ34Iu0T+XVFzvU IlooVpHMRw+x9BAhsveQNql4JaolMHbNPvnZZGmQ= X-Riseup-User-ID: 943F97CC225AEBE79E529C643B26330A6BC36A2AA077F1FF427B064C52A688E5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BBlfM1Q2Jz8sqn for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:20:16 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: odd issue affecting firefox (any version) on freebsd (any version) Message-ID: <20200722212016.419ee2a8@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200722182209.GA46914@bastion.zyxst.net> References: <20200722182209.GA46914@bastion.zyxst.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBlfg2qR9z4d2t X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=e+S51kcp; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.38 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.78)[-0.777]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.002]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:20:28 -0000 On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:22:09 +0100, tech-lists wrote: >"sending failed" >fastmail support haven't a clue about this issue, not that I'd expect >them to in this instance as it's far outside of their support remit. Hi, my guess is, that they are very well responsible for the error message. Maybe Firefox does cause the issue, but fastmail could provide better error messages. "sending failed, due to freakish character encoding or foo timed out or..." Do you fake an IP using an add-on or something similar? As a first troubleshooting step I would run firefox from command line in safe-mode firefox --safe-mode Regards, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 19:24:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C6B35DA89 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBll205J3z4dDG for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:24:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jyKLa-0002Gy-PX for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:24:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:24:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20200722205917.7e81b5bc.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: mbj@mbjnet.dk User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Mail-Copies-To: Never X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBll205J3z4dDG X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.31 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mbj@mbjnet.dk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_QUARANTINE(1.50)[mbjnet.dk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,quarantine]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.38)[-0.384]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.14)[0.141]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.055]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:24:15 -0000 On 2020-07-22 Polytropon wrote: > This command interpretation is similarly listed in "man 1 umount", > i. e., "umount -a -t ". However, have you checked that > the filesystems beneath /media, mounted by automountd, are listed > in /etc/fstab? This is a required condition according to the > manual page. I think I am going to drop this automount stuff and just mount and unmount the good old fashioned way. At least that works with no problems. Thanks, Morten From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 19:31:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656C435D8BE for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBlv91Wdwz4dgl for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:31:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M8hMt-1juBjH1kcj-004jlp; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:31:14 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:31:13 +0200 From: Polytropon To: mbj@mbjnet.dk Cc: Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions , Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible Message-Id: <20200722213113.bbdaf869.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200722205917.7e81b5bc.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:4iIiOWYSYySernigZCzaTRpoKswro1dUhQFnczm5j5WW7n9ui3O hYYFfey3BAexw0tMVfVyoYdAS4/RfDqenwxodGklnpNJNNuWIoWnu8QeILM9e/W3c3XgpAN 9XtW3+5lRHeCvPZExeVxnSXexty6yr3nvH/F3CWUbkx4ZT+ZX7lEhL9AK7bsl2Wmuz3vDRa 9ErtqZA6QHIuWxE5cWbug== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:iPtUwUI95Pc=:JUK9iK4C5MnXnC+Gi89na+ CuXkCwP2zA4IaST6VFgQ4LApwxIae+pWyOltGUhc/JQ3ZZbLmGMOmY8/2WuyBr+XHtdhIdqHV ZqHVn7KpLoZZEatk3eEvRFz/eozDap7AXjTq6WKl/F1YfoQfi6PVpWdouiYnwM+8g65oM6CTy cwyVkjo/603CAwkYGWoZKenYj59VuBJv3g8RXV1h+JRE8UvvuZTMWarvd5tGnsoYFx4oMqCXD O3cbvT1UUXc/hHjrllPcye1fqj+upvQFaMGZrF2YYCdMirpgdxuqv/Z/2LOarPvm69/tIzqel yw5p1EviuMzPiM4my4RP6VYO6rlcQaSGvRj6HWx+zwVa6RrBo+Oy4sdphUYaSks3NhGG+Co8Y 6nEYESyYUT5RXHPgflK2EnUcsTAVdCOxijWgfFH9hJQbmbmLvYbszuPtuSleyQMG9LdC4kU/7 2Hu2ZGyxYzRj4DsxNdnyc/Mix9+HcQ70lX6GeR34xGTqCEY7D+D1Yyuo3dP8wKgvrFok9/sc7 yUErAaWcj8oDGJaUc26VzHiXzgkLanwfZH66pk0U+98kjH3cNQ2hH7XhSWlCFJwH3dvTneGg2 SZy2whNcB9XG5rNcWUmiosQhNDXNCotqhOBO0hvyzyQy7WwwKuHbnxtR8NnNn5o5hdLZFuspn lYbLx5PPyq/kNFCL2wBEl8pNmd0TG78+NeIveofhrqMOKjppTKHUQq7wqsspn7ZyecfRdfeRq L2vIzQe6IyDyp9CYgzcr6HUvHuJJqq7ftthQKxgx7VfmaiJQvs+36Nc9oBxUzoIUciqcRtZcO egg4CP/nOgfcGg6pfLCbKIKYeaF4yjdgRkezPk7tcaKnGo6eAj2/KO59zCt1srvuAWmD53X X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBlv91Wdwz4dgl X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.75) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [3.54 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.42)[-0.415]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.8.37.32:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.65)[0.649]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.90)[0.904]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.75:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:31:18 -0000 On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:24:05 +0200, Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions wrote: > On 2020-07-22 Polytropon wrote: > > > This command interpretation is similarly listed in "man 1 umount", > > i. e., "umount -a -t ". However, have you checked that > > the filesystems beneath /media, mounted by automountd, are listed > > in /etc/fstab? This is a required condition according to the > > manual page. > > I think I am going to drop this automount stuff and just mount > and unmount the good old fashioned way. At least that works > with no problems. That matches my impression with various local-media automatic mounting mechanisms... After fiddling with XML files buried in /usr/local/etc (or was it /usr/local/share?), device permissions, group membership and so on, it would mostly mount, but then, it would not unmount (permission issue?!), so prefix with "sudo", add "-f" option, add desktop icon for unmount script... no, it didn't fully do what it said on the can. ;-) Personally, I liked the way XFCE (version 3!) did it: It had a wrapper "xfmount" which called mount (with device or directory, as listed in /etc/fstab), and opened a file manager window on success; close the window - xfumount ran, unmounted the device, and everything was fine. "That simple?" - "Good ideas are always simple." (Dr. Mabuse) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 19:39:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B4435E044 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:39:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBm523TP0z4fDg for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jyKai-0009KL-Pi for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:39:48 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:39:43 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20200722205917.7e81b5bc.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200722213113.bbdaf869.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: mbj@mbjnet.dk User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Mail-Copies-To: Never X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBm523TP0z4fDg X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.32 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mbj@mbjnet.dk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_QUARANTINE(1.50)[mbjnet.dk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,quarantine]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.38)[-0.382]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.14)[0.144]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.06)[0.058]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:39:51 -0000 On 2020-07-22 Polytropon wrote: > Personally, I liked the way XFCE (version 3!) did it: It had > a wrapper "xfmount" which called mount (with device or directory, > as listed in /etc/fstab), and opened a file manager window on > success; close the window - xfumount ran, unmounted the device, > and everything was fine. That sounds nice. I also use XFCE. I wonder why that didn't survive into version 4. 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Manish, I started using your 'mkdesktop', but I stopped. > No matter what I do, it wants to give me all kinds of what the Doze > world calls 'accessories'. Hi Pete, I am sorry that you felt disappointed with your first blush with mkdesktop. As the writer, I think I can offer reasonable defence for the implementation. First of all, as noted in `man mkdesktop`, mkdesktop is best suited for running right after you have installed FreeBSD. In other words, it picks up where the FreeBSD installation signs off, and continues further to get a whole desktop on the user's computer - with pretty much the same interface as the FreeBSD installer itself. It would be useless to write a program to simply install a desktop meta-package. If installing the meta-package was all that was needed, the user could simply type in `pkg install gnome3` (or some such command). Does it make sense for the user to run `mkdesktop gnome3` when he/she could equally well run `pkg install gnome3` ? The idea behind mkdesktop is to do everything possible for the user such that he gets not just the desktop, but also the entire, correct system configuration in one shot. This has to be done for two distinct kinds of people : 1) The seasoned FreeBSD campaigner 2) The FreeBSD first-timer For such an application, the very first thing to be ascertained is the GPU type (so that kld's are set to be loaded as required). That is what my program does. (If the user does not want graphics configured, he/she can use 'Other' - I will now change that label to 'Other/Ignore'). The second step mkdesktop takes is a deliberate sidestep: forcing the toor account to be set up properly. First timers definitely never know about the toor user account and why it is better to su not to root but to toor. Seasoned campaigners often forget this facility and merrily switch root's login shell to bash/zsh instead. The third step is the actual desktop installation, which I do not think you would have a problem with. Fourth, I give the user a chance to add a normal user account, which again should be agreeable considering that only a normal user can login with the X display manager. The final (and perhaps most debatable) stage is the fifth, where the user is prompted for Wine and Linuxulator. Wine is prompted for as a nicety that targets first-timers who might like to have their Windows programs running under FreeBSD readily. Linuxulator is prompted for because, at the finish, system files are going to be configured anyway - and the configuration will go one way if Linux emulation is needed, and another way if not. You might yet have reasons to disagree with my implementation, but I just tried to write the program to make things least painful in the context of FreeBSD desktop installation for both kinds of folks. Maybe - and I do hope so - you will find mkdesktop of more use the next time around. As of now, I humbly solicit your feedback on what 'accessories' you found of greatest bother. 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To: Polytropon Cc: FreeBSD References: <20200722204609.7f414174.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Manish Jain Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 01:11:22 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 In-Reply-To: <20200722204609.7f414174.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ClientProxiedBy: BM1PR0101CA0019.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:1096:b00:18::29) To DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10a6:10:126::7) X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-MessageSentRepresentingType: 1 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (103.195.202.197) by BM1PR0101CA0019.INDPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:1096:b00:18::29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3216.22 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:41:24 +0000 X-Microsoft-Original-Message-ID: X-TMN: [Ywmkf823M2OEr7bTO3PmEbvhKtEpH9VdTxxJtoqAC+I=] X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-IncomingHeaderCount: 49 X-EOPAttributedMessage: 0 X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: a7ec2c89-e963-498d-926f-08d82e77384d X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: HE1EUR04HT056: X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0; X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: edoYed5Q9acojxHkCsGOp0pCmn6iKuja5lhs2vmgVIHAjVG/yhiMoQwWDab2U00LvUZugKCOD1NKuksqK7cWzHV9CGTkCVKzL25wbFeZoTKpglGzQ/v6Cqe8kIRt47xCNBJ/pSO0DgAWHbEJzXwz39UhqQ+i8QPZTU86PUNw6sZmCGhDWDuC47Sfx1m9vWMVCMaggh50ha2+JIbIKxvKlw== X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:0; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DB8PR06MB6442.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:; DIR:OUT; SFP:1901; X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: tkIgJjJ8oUg4UF+O7CYG4B5IEym5YkKbOHSX0uQB0C6EvcVsl2ipx+fmEVYtwzcKPSdR9BVIllKSurJkTvy0xG413hwQbrofS0FwT5btUQZR/Y8zLJEKz1ssImIYU8jkRehLPD0ckrLz1XHImmTYog== X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a7ec2c89-e963-498d-926f-08d82e77384d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jul 2020 19:41:25.5838 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HE1EUR04FT046.eop-eur04.prod.protection.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Anonymous X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1EUR04HT056 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBm6v3mctz4fTr X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=hotmail.com header.s=selector1 header.b=QgMaQy0v; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=hotmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bourne.identity@hotmail.com designates 2a01:111:f400:fe0d::822 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bourne.identity@hotmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [10.91 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+ip6:2a01:111:f400::/48:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[hotmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[hotmail.com,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[103.195.202.197:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_ALLOW(0.00)[microsoft.com:s=arcselector9901:i=1]; FORGED_MUA_THUNDERBIRD_MSGID_UNKNOWN(2.50)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[hotmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8075, ipnet:2a01:111:f000::/36, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[hotmail.com:dkim]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(5.00)[103.195.202.197:received]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.55)[0.551]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.94)[0.937]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.93)[0.926]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a01:111:f400:fe0d::822:from]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:41:28 -0000 On 2020-07-23 00:16, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:14:54 +0530, Manish Jain wrote: >> My question in this regard is simple : Can FreeBSD fsck XFS filesystems, >> just like it can fsck ext2/3/4 ? > > At least there is sysutils/xfsprogs which contains fsck.xfs > (along with other xfs-related tools, comparable to the > e2fsprogs package); maybe you can try this? > Thanks, Poly. Just what I needed. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 20:16:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D935435F74F for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BBmvQ6dJhz4jD6 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:16:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.139.170]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C08B4E690 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:16:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <7e96086e-c765-469c-f200-f1ca94b0296a@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:16:33 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBmvQ6dJhz4jD6 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.52 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.139.170:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.991]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.76)[0.764]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.66)[0.661]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:16:35 -0000 On 7/22/20 12:44 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:12 PM Morten Bo Johansen via freebsd-questions < > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I simply cannot unmount my usb disk. It is mounted by automount/autofs >> on /media/da0s1. I try to unmount it like this >> >> sudo umount -At autofs >> >> but it replies with the error message >> >> umount: unmount of /media failed: Device busy >> >> I run lsof grepping for "/media" or "da0s1" both with and >> without sudo. Nothing shows. >> Did you try lsof -k /media/[whatever name it is mounted with] and then try to force unmount umount -f /media/[whatever name it is mounted with] ? Valeri >> I got no terminals accessing the mount point, no zombie >> processes or anything. >> >> If the error message is really correct and some process is >> actually accessing /media, how do I find it if lsof shows nothing? >> >> Any other advice? >> >> Thanks, >> Morten >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > > You did not write your mount statement . > > It seems that your umount statement is completely wrong . > > > > https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=umount&sektion=8 > umount > > > > You are saying that > > "Unmount ALL of the mounted files in "fstab" . > > Please check manual of "umount" to write specific file(s) to unmount . > > Mehmet Erol Sanliturk > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri 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Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22/07/2020 19:22, tech-lists wrote: > If I use firefox at the site to compose email, I can compose it but whe= n > I try > to send it I get "sending failed" and this is real, the mail is not > sent. If I > run firefox (same version) from an ubuntu machine, I *can* send mail. Do you have firewall rules that block access to port 587 outbound? 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close the window - xfumount ran, unmounted the device, > > and everything was fine. > > That sounds nice. I also use XFCE. You probably (presently) use Xfce, not XFCE. ;-) > I wonder why that didn't > survive into version 4. Many simple (but useful!) features have been removed during the step from XFCE (version 3, Gtk 1 based) to Xfce (version 4, Gtk 2 based, note the change in capitalization). The "desktop features" got more attention, making Xfce much more than the XFCE "CDE lookalike", so it could become a real desktop environment with all bells & whitles, but the price was - it became more complex, with all implications. Many things went "auto" and didn't really work as expected on FreeBSD. Xfce, like all other desktop environments, are targeting Linux primarily, and their ports to FreeBSD are often not 100 % "the same" when it comes to the supported features. This goes along with all the overhead Gtk 2 has brought onto the table... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:19:49PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:22:09 +0100, tech-lists wrote: >>"sending failed" >>fastmail support haven't a clue about this issue, not that I'd expect >>them to in this instance as it's far outside of their support remit. > >Hi, > >my guess is, that they are very well responsible for the error message. >Maybe Firefox does cause the issue, but fastmail could provide better >error messages. 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To: Manish Jain , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1720589882.5509006.1595431360144@mail.yahoo.com> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <59353ccf-ea9f-23e1-1c60-ae3716c03e92@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 13:52:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBnjV6JHxz4l25 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=mQ6spZaX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::634 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.34 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.36)[-0.364]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[hotmail.com,freebsd.org]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[184.98.239.89:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.993]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.983]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::634:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:53:03 -0000 On 7/22/20 12:40 PM, Manish Jain wrote: > On 2020-07-22 22:35, Pete Wright wrote: >> Okay, so I bit. Manish, I started using your 'mkdesktop', but I >> stopped. No matter what I do, it wants to give me all kinds of what >> the Doze world calls 'accessories'. > > Hi Pete, > > I am sorry that you felt disappointed with your first blush with > mkdesktop. As the writer, I think I can offer reasonable defence for > the implementation. > Hi, Manish -- I think you did a great job at accomplishing your intent and it worked flawlessly. It just wasn't what *I* wanted, and what I want isn't *your* problem. Personally, I think anyone who builds a port, especially something as complicated as this, deserves high praise and I thank you for your contribution to the community! :D -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 20:58:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E366F360927 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:58:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBnqm1MYCz4lX5 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:58:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 857735C0085 for ; 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Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:01:02 +0100 From: tech-lists To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: odd issue affecting firefox (any version) on freebsd (any version) Message-ID: <20200722210102.GD46914@bastion.zyxst.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200722182209.GA46914@bastion.zyxst.net> <8df6b7ab-2664-2306-e349-c18d9f029cc9@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="u65IjBhB3TIa72Vp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8df6b7ab-2664-2306-e349-c18d9f029cc9@FreeBSD.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBnvJ2Pl6z4lbg X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=zyxst.net header.s=fm3 header.b=KnKCgPZz; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=s7EtzE4o; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tech-lists@zyxst.net designates 66.111.4.25 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=tech-lists@zyxst.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.14 / 15.00]; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:17:10PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >On 22/07/2020 19:22, tech-lists wrote: >> If I use firefox at the site to compose email, I can compose it but when >> I try >> to send it I get "sending failed" and this is real, the mail is not >> sent. If I >> run firefox (same version) from an ubuntu machine, I *can* send mail. > >Do you have firewall rules that block access to port 587 outbound? no, I can reach port 587 from the test vm to another machine --=20 J. --u65IjBhB3TIa72Vp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl8YqSkACgkQs8o7QhFz NAXmixAAnk7Yjy9OpDaDI21Iy+jZr8+Vf32U9yr5IaG0PvJvJ4CWilo2NXdGWO4I U6PHTkuE5PIZ2PgzUkUG6dCJBjC8Oy+SIYh5PfZYVrVLIHmk1OomEjtNJz95Pbgg vPCf6E/k4khlQfmt9fD99QS8GgwvPmlDf/kvbZ/i1FWJkJTnEKFwn56H/hGPqPQM cM86wNoBEqDrh5YoNUjpb0MtpayoX7+oG1JSqmmOduqlVVv99dok8txXLP5IAS52 HHNfv58wHTlDkWJ/iXiDulpSWOHinOHc/mjn3kFrkGTOODUq2Gn4FZ0aeLBQzoys ckcZ2HCt9ioJ7FTk803SPS9HVy6hLM0HHqaoNqfkSBj719Ev8Wq+sogA03KsyKaA GlFi4mnSGBLlB1N/ZU38qFRe0NXtQmM0P8MG1yRTZWvJoGeZnf9C2bf5Z9ZPAxBZ cqumNKuWsXVZuOb1978OANVwjW170HrvmB73T8E69Vs7eE7EufgMR2IHyuzc3HtU bXeFPKb0DLQAm2A+H0TZCHz2FXOoG35aRUbBSGWPyQuFyR4xCUDOC0SZgAtocCrO jyOOPi/sN7xF0KPnqUzulkUw1S0qwZIgi35i1oR5QPwj20Exs/+7kfRTasjYU1xj O5YF7mujW0sjbq5KJXl3A5JCQlQe3oRnmg0P+YBYsaZ94nJkoc0= =orPU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --u65IjBhB3TIa72Vp-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 21:06:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5A0361097 for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:43:16PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Did you compare the different browsers using > >https://www.whatsmybrowser.org/ >http://browserspy.dk/browser.php >https://www.whatismybrowser.com/ All I can guess is that the result "FreeBSD" in the strings causes the problem. --=20 J. --dFWYt1i2NyOo1oI9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl8YqmYACgkQs8o7QhFz NAVrhQ//RG45ul9BjguFR+FU7J1bNaqHWYq0NfyUU/slogRUUY8l1VG6I2fhFum7 aodQY/AOm/TtlvAbaNqFXalTmowsogwMzQ96C8K7I/Wvfz57p9j3OVhf28jOBBtG PoZJu45bR0vgzVPSDQSVSdkIny6f5N4R+B2/suiI4jjDjX2SEYRFnm8WJjcG19rB tq7SC7ulY2Bqh4zahhyjO83oWE6AAv6ZSA1VaCzs5QVNSrzWO9G+lnJ/sW8ev+wB EjZaSaUgo76/AbwrjIC7e3Jo+T+/ZnjShfEKXiXPhKBtiPHPyzFFsctpYLUjccxw cq5mf7qK7cc3A8u2Dd50bEt8LU2GTAW6Axm2yJqXlH+nwCqxzkQ/7RRDsBvYbfax 9/NZj7txZX+keIWlEr1/n2BYUYv3RcKx1PydV+VGjtK/fyvJGZQx5O8d+WcwmgZR ltWCFWdWFplpZkhkEGxXIPj9oM+R3N81W/m5oiLlJDwBAPuKkepgYYQ2rj9flflW FqDReTBS3HBI2ZgOVO7KfaCIUzPh0aPXCnvZfj/TkmJE8lsUdhmoBLcdhTkljzZ0 tT6STR2W0RAhnKrWJgIhCxgmN1GqxJkhxSk8YMIGitZ5FoZQL21/l8kwN8vgi0KO s2nPPh7FgPdkhmCsrD9h0YTlvWkvaTPbHJ8Iyvt2ISbsz3WUO9U= =pgFd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dFWYt1i2NyOo1oI9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 21:07:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EFD361032 for ; 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To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <1720589882.5509006.1595431360144@mail.yahoo.com> <20200722204107.e19f8052.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <3ad130d6-cc26-a77d-536d-713772dadd95@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:07:41 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200722204107.e19f8052.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBp2T5fJfz4m1S X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Li8YvnsU; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::443 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.24 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.26)[-0.259]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[184.98.239.89:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.994]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::443:from]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:07:46 -0000 On 7/22/20 11:41 AM, Polytropon wrote: > On Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:45:08 -0700, Don Wilde wrote: >> I don't see that any of these GUI installers help a whole bunch for what >> I want. I can see their usefulness for those who come from the Doze or >> Mac -- or even Ubuntu -- worlds, but that's not where I want to go. I'll >> just do it the old-fashioned way because I want to know what's getting >> installed. > The problem with desktop environments, not limited to MATE, > or Xfce, or Lxde, is that they come with their equivalent > of "accessories" - little programs that you might or might > not need. If you wish to avoid this, install a graphical > file manager and a window manager, but keep in mind that > this is _not_ a desktop environment anymore! My only addition beyond that is a programmer's editor with scripting capability. I like old-fashioned EMACS and (sorry about the heresy) replace VI / VIM as the default editor. > I tend to do this because I wish to have control over what > is being installed, and I also use software from any "GUI > lands" which are part of the Linux and UNIX experience: > KDE programs, Gtk programs, and I don't care about "visual > consistency" - it has been gone, it no longer exists, not > even on the Mac (and "Windows" has said goodbye to it > long time ago). So I only need to required libraries, but > not the stuff a full desktop would include. I hadn't even gone that far. For me, it wouldn't be the 'visual consistency' that I'd be worried about, it'd be the underlying GUI/WM library hooks. > For example, I have a "service system" that runs FreeBSD > with the IceWM window manager (theme "metal2"), plus the > program wbar (Warlock bar), and a Mac background image. > It looks very expensive, and I tend to start all the > different Gtk / Qt / ... programs via terminal, except > for those already present in wbar (typical stuff like > Firefox, an audio mixer, WiFi manager, LibreOffice and > so on). I don't even go that far. That's why I keep Ubuntu 18 around. :) I just don't choose to fight it any more, as you describe in your next paragraph. :) > Most desktop environments have moved to "let's include > everything, maybe someone needs it, and when it's not > there they'll complain" approach. "Old-fashioned" desktops > like Mate or Cinnamon have quite good control over what > additional parts to install, Gnome 3, in my opinion, does > not fit: even though you can configure a lot, it feels > like you have to fight the system to make it do what you > want, instead a system supporting your workflow. Exactly! -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 21:16:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593A936188E for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBpDV6KFfz4mmK for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:16:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from bell.riseup.net (bell-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.178]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBpDS5rkLzDsy1 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:16:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595452584; bh=LZjUgHAEakJb0/8i/ywHdn0CQXLV7y8zdBWfCQokpNk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=sdp9CFEVwc1hqUxcjcZ/u0E4d9vZQGnEGwo3rPBZEG6N6Fbr0KPyWPh2cRFJIEUlw tFEr6Zyc/lws2Xm6eXVzcPN0Y0yhEDRczGTAQkfYiD+8Rr7XFk3BbGrqPE5HwZZiCt FhvQrz7CKfBkfLaxgMGn4V561tC1FoC1jEs2wxzk= X-Riseup-User-ID: EF503514268D543997F3E4B7F85510CDAF844FABA45472C4C8670B81AC0639B4 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bell.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BBpDS0SCszJnRQ for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 14:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:16:11 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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No, it's new to me. It would be nice if it would make sense to chose the "flavour" based on the logo. I like this logo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MidnightBSD#/media/File:MidnightBSDLogo.svg Maybe the term "distro" fits better, than "flavour": http://www.midnightbsd.org/documentation/mports/index.html The logo seems not to be the best selection criterion. 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I'm positively surprised, but have to admit that I'm > > anyway an openbox user. However, it detects the hardware and provides > > IMO useful default settings. > > Like FreeSBIE - the live CD systems - did a decade ago, > maybe you remember those? I think they also used Openbox > or Xfce (you could choose - lightweight GUI, heavier GUI, > or CLI mode). OK - that's funny. I hadn't thought of FreeSBIE in years.... Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 21:48:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489093621A6 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:48:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBpxn0LYZz4pZl for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 21:48:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.37.32]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue109 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N8GIg-1ktRM00vnk-014ENC; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:48:40 +0200 Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:48:39 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question? 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It doesn't exist anymore. :-( No, really: FreeSBIE delivered, if I remember correctly, two systems: version 1 was based upon FreeBSD 5, and version 2 upon FreeBSD 6. They had added a "detect and load drivers" function to system startup, so when you entered the X stage, graphics, sound etc. would work. It was presented as ISO images fitting a regular 650 MB CD blank medium - and have media player, Firefox, Xfce and Openbox desktops, and many useful tools ready to be used without any installation (in fact, even on systems without a disk). The website is still available: http://www.freesbie.org/ I'm sure I have the ISO files for 1.1 and 2.0.1 somewhere. Downloads, blog and wiki seem to be gone. > It would be nice if it would make sense to chose the "flavour" based on > the logo. > I like this logo: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MidnightBSD#/media/File:MidnightBSDLogo.svg > > Maybe the term "distro" fits better, than "flavour": > http://www.midnightbsd.org/documentation/mports/index.html > > The logo seems not to be the best selection criterion. The "Screenshots" section has a screenshot of Lumina. Does that mean they got it working? The year in the terminal window is visibale as 2016... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 22 23:46:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985B4364479 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2c.google.com (mail-io1-xd2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBsYY6rCWz4vRm for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:46:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2c.google.com with SMTP id l17so4419976iok.7 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:46:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZqG2RS7uMyWu6o1wzSwP3hZmwfyXL3DANj+SwxXM3fA=; b=jbffQ3UP4TRDp2I1GPr0lDAMiEfF8zpUNKUmAHM5RjaFy0jxohVUjXrFbfrlA27Mq1 aD1nPR1eQlfAkAPs5jLhnwfwt2rXOH3XD25XGtVnVXeZxxCwf1glwQLBXKgSTYfadyJt grWkPNHCMH4FwQWOt5AFkz7jRIJahpcNShkh/ecCHQntrdnGssXGjN3kthCHSPIDKEH8 GQp+7/qsl7UP0U/+bQ0VJUQMIbYv4HB6h9SLKDRmLTZfXwwfMfMjG/gwaDb8Q+nOzcJr DloMXmijWGwlyEqGIpleFb9rH5QOfe23mmZYUtjGPXEa7xQ9FUr+OYJFMMMlTusQYMX/ /aQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZqG2RS7uMyWu6o1wzSwP3hZmwfyXL3DANj+SwxXM3fA=; b=LMp/BjtPYC++I1WgdERcqU5DQuY44rIE74GXA2B8tBTKSOimIqn1SCQLQIs+T0HQiM dg4QdDFQNytoCp0YyfY1+YIAcMbXsfm31vkIgwhbs/p5tfsjMVLQ9Uas01DnKy/mlfGA 5oAOAxMj9zLeL6CFJd2raOx70SP3GoSU13i56LNyUJ/rURH8tCOKElstTVrRyAGa23dl vBTodDpxlVofPwI2MNuUkGKuenOph98JbirNcF5hny3LGmjC2bLp+OP9jOMPtaL7Orgs 7agqFk6ySS8hpjPD3biJ1ntVHpppekYmhPTNf5vvTddBFie/1Pxg2GOknEOAw5WOCfeJ /A8Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532pPWHDLpa8Ew8PksYdj043uWLjsetlCCmpV7mzOsygosl7NPKQ wfDXycLEaquGPwMQYCwnvSasWmi0zbwgyzeebPmEalfWCFg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzuEYtRBEca6jmZSMo7Bc2G42zZ2pZNSuIn0B7wX/CdyXL8njkotKUH6NJRT8ah4hG2k7SZc7ZctnRtKy7sKSU= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:440d:: with SMTP id r13mr2188357ioa.114.1595461583957; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:46:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:46:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Setting up Wayland on FreeBSD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBsYY6rCWz4vRm X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=jbffQ3UP; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.75 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.51)[-0.511]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.64)[-0.637]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.60)[0.595]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 23:46:27 -0000 Greetings All, Well, I am making good progress with my new experiences in the FreeBSD world and now it's time to get back on my project a bit. I wanted to ask if anyone has experience with setting up and using Wayland and Weston, or some other compositor on FreeBSD? I do not want to use X11 or Xorg at all and think that the real hardware can support the DRM backend which is supposed to be pure Wayland and thus keeping the graphics interface small. In any case, the whole Wayland arena is a totally new experience for me but I am going to investigate it to see if the whole setup can be smaller (from a footprint size perspective) than using Xorg. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 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I'm a fastmail user and I exclusively use the web interface on 12.1 with Firefox (currently 78.0.2). > Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 22:06:19 +0100 > From: tech-lists > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: odd issue affecting firefox (any version) on freebsd (any > version) > Message-ID: <20200722210619.GE46914@bastion.zyxst.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:43:16PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >Did you compare the different browsers using > > > >https://www.whatsmybrowser.org/ > >http://browserspy.dk/browser.php > >https://www.whatismybrowser.com/ > > All I can guess is that the result "FreeBSD" in the strings causes the > problem. > -- > J. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 00:50:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E048365577 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:50:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from h2.pinyon.org (h2.pinyon.org [65.101.20.170]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BBtzg25RYz3TLr for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rcarter@pinyon.org) Received: from [10.0.10.15] (unknown [10.0.10.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h2.pinyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CB26D43103 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:50:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: forwarding audio from a (bhyve) vm To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <295d43ec-b5dc-2899-5d22-fb0b5d8ff5cb@pinyon.org> <20200720120813.4b020a5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <08284be8-6508-0451-312b-b575dc6d4331@pinyon.org> <42870245-d3c6-be29-242b-67b7697d7402@pinyon.org> <20200721022754.GM67461@aurora.gregv.net> From: "Russell L. Carter" Message-ID: <93920d59-a06c-62c6-7393-c19a2db2ed88@pinyon.org> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:50:31 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200721022754.GM67461@aurora.gregv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BBtzg25RYz3TLr X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rcarter@pinyon.org designates 65.101.20.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rcarter@pinyon.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.53 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.274]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[10.0.2.1:email]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.953]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[pinyon.org]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[10.0.2.1:email]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.555]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.101.0.0/18, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:50:40 -0000 Hi Greg, sndio, if it can be made to work, also appears perfect. In summary, I want to run multiple vm's in a Facebook cast-off server that has 32 threads and 128GB of memory... but no audio hardware. Adding the hda device to bhyve doesn't seem to work, I am guessing, because there is no physical audio hw in the bhyve host. The latest tarball of sndio compiles and installs cleanly on ancienne Debian 9. But what about sound devices? A couple of questions inline, if possible: On 2020-07-20 19:27, Greg Veldman wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 04:00:22PM -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: >> On 2020-07-20 15:06, Russell L. Carter wrote: >>> Seren looks perfect.?? However it uses alsa to access the "sound card", >>> which I see from googling should be achievable in a bhyve vm by >>> configuring the HDA emulation. Evidently, after consulting >>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2016/HDAudioEmulationForBhyve >>> and >>> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/what-is-the-current-status-of-audio-emulation-in-bhyve.74557/ >>> >>> >>> I should be able to achieve this using vm-bhyve by setting >>> >>> bhyve_options="-s 9,hda,play=/dev/dsp1,rec=/dev/dsp1" >>> >>> in the vm template file. >> >> Oh well, the vm fails to start with this template configuration. >> I am not sure how to fix it. There is only one vm running, so >> I don't think bhyve should be running out of slots/devices. >> There is no audio hardware in the bhyve host... is that a >> problem? I don't want to listen on the bhyve host, I want to >> ship the audio over the physical network to another FreeBSD >> system. >> >> Both the bhyve host and the target system are running FreeBSD >> 12/stable from the beginning of July. > > I currently do this with some of my systems, I use sndio and > have had no issues at all. My current setup is all FreeBSD > hosts, but sndio runs on GNU/Linux and NetBSD, OpenBSD (in > fact it's originally from OpenBSD I believe). > > On the host you wish to send the audio from: > > $ grep -i audio .bashrc > export AUDIODEVICE="snd@10.0.2.1/0" You don't need to start sndiod on the audio server system for the client system to connect? > > On the host you wish to hear the audio on: > > $ grep -i sndio /etc/rc.conf > sndiod_enable="YES" > sndiod_dev="rsnd/$($SYSCTL -n hw.snd.default_unit)" > sndiod_flags="-f ${sndiod_dev} -c 0:7 -j off -s default -m mon -s > monitor -L 10.0.2.1" That looks very good. My target system has a non-default "default". Thank you, Russell > $ grep -i snd /etc/sysctl.conf > # Default sound device (from /dev/sndstat) > hw.snd.default_unit=2 > > See the sndio(7) manpage for setting up the cookie on both > hosts to handle authentication. > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 08:35:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA87337626F for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 08:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.io (static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de [116.202.254.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BC5JW5Mh6z4G5R for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 08:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jyWhl-000649-4Z for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:35:53 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Morten Bo Johansen Subject: Re: Unmounting usb disk impossible Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:35:48 +0200 Message-ID: References: <7e96086e-c765-469c-f200-f1ca94b0296a@kicp.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: mbj@mbjnet.dk User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) Mail-Copies-To: Never X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BC5JW5Mh6z4G5R X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.78 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[mbj@mbjnet.dk]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_QUARANTINE(1.50)[mbjnet.dk : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,quarantine]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.14)[0.145]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.08)[-0.083]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.22)[0.220]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:116.202.0.0/16, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[listmail@mbjnet.dk,freebsd-questions@m.gmane-mx.org]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,meta]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 08:35:56 -0000 On 2020-07-22 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Did you try > > lsof -k /media/[whatever name it is mounted with] > > and then try to force unmount > > umount -f /media/[whatever name it is mounted with] > > ? I have deactivated automount/autofs. But I could unmount it with the "-f" option. However, it leaves a dirty file system that needs to be fsck'ed. So I don't want to bother with this anymore. Mounting manually is also good enough for me. Morten From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 09:22:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877D1378784 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BC6Lc33CMz4KGX; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:22:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chateau.d.if (unknown [122.162.198.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ashish/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B03C182C3; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland on FreeBSD To: Lonnie Cumberland , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Ashish SHUKLA Organization: The FreeBSD Project Message-ID: <4acde791-2974-4f83-cf18-2a05918d483b@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:52:39 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kd19ke58WYHnqoFA34NkaMLN31eB3ytGh" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:22:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --kd19ke58WYHnqoFA34NkaMLN31eB3ytGh Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ZvTqYeNPvoYTjOeOjZhEIafx74slOT8nV" --ZvTqYeNPvoYTjOeOjZhEIafx74slOT8nV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/23/20 5:16 AM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: >=20 > Well, I am making good progress with my new experiences in the FreeBSD > world and now it's time to get back on my project a bit. Following information is what I referred to when I setup Wayland on mine:= https://unrelenting.technology/kb/FreeBSDDesktop https://hub.darcs.net/raichoo/hikari And I use following script (analogous to startx of X11 world) to launch a Wayland desktop session: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D #!/bin/sh export MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=3D1 export XDG_SESSION_TYPE=3Dwayland export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=3D/tmp/$USER/.xdg export CLUTTER_BACKEND=3Dwayland export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=3Dwayland export LIBGL_DRI3_ENABLE=3D1 export XKB_DEFAULT_RULES=3Devdev export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=3Dwayland-egl export QT_WAYLAND_DISABLE_WINDOWDECORATION=3D1 export BEMENU_BACKEND=3Dwayland export WLR_DRM_NO_ATOMIC=3D1 [ -d $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR ] || mkdir -m 700 -p $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR #WM=3Dwayfire #WM=3Dsway WM=3Dhikari exec $WM >$HOME/.xsession-errors 2>&1 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Important part, make sure /tmp is not a ZFS mountpoint. I've it on tmpfs filesystem. 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:14:11 -0000 Thanks so very much for this insight as it will be very helpful. Cheers and have a great day, Lonnie On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:22 AM Ashish SHUKLA wrote: > On 7/23/20 5:16 AM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > > > Well, I am making good progress with my new experiences in the FreeBSD > > world and now it's time to get back on my project a bit. > > Following information is what I referred to when I setup Wayland on mine: > > https://unrelenting.technology/kb/FreeBSDDesktop > https://hub.darcs.net/raichoo/hikari > > And I use following script (analogous to startx of X11 world) to launch > a Wayland desktop session: > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > #!/bin/sh > > > export MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=3D1 > export XDG_SESSION_TYPE=3Dwayland > export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=3D/tmp/$USER/.xdg > export CLUTTER_BACKEND=3Dwayland > export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=3Dwayland > export LIBGL_DRI3_ENABLE=3D1 > export XKB_DEFAULT_RULES=3Devdev > export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=3Dwayland-egl > export QT_WAYLAND_DISABLE_WINDOWDECORATION=3D1 > export BEMENU_BACKEND=3Dwayland > export WLR_DRM_NO_ATOMIC=3D1 > > [ -d $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR ] || mkdir -m 700 -p $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR > > #WM=3Dwayfire > #WM=3Dsway > WM=3Dhikari > > > exec $WM >$HOME/.xsession-errors 2>&1 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > Important part, make sure /tmp is not a ZFS mountpoint. I've it on tmpfs > filesystem. > > HTH > -- > Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682CDCC39DC0FEAE11620B6C746CFA9E74FA4B0 > > =E2=80=9CThere is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.= =E2=80=9D (Ken > Olson, founder of DEC, 1977) > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 13:35:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEA637F13B for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x131.google.com (mail-il1-x131.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCCyY3zm1z4ZY9 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:35:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x131.google.com with SMTP id r12so4310397ilh.4 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 06:35:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9dLx6HzOn1ufXnrCLBeAKRZQPrm8Mr/DcNExj7NuAUc=; b=AQN1WsTpcrAZgriHEVqvELHNbQzMcfGyTs3kExU+9Z3oJvm4hnBkVze+zgkoFk5QAk uZPxrbAkV3q8oydhtW99kb4+eq3lGR8eFN3OmtZYNZT4oi7kdzBSukQ4dSCRODra/Fwo UnsNhg5dNe6o5GTHRN5AOx1llGEN1xz8d+6+5lbASIkw6/p8ihHnCks+xOoANlddfPzw paK31XrsBNAuCHEaUU4Zfz0jUhIK2j3X1OEkuHzxPpYrUXMEakhA/Z2D0ca8QPaxrWy0 RypLA3FEV1hMyYuI4cdnShltVsXGbqDjQ5SpCMDAVrGKaSav9/QQoZ0YqdBzPXKFJPIf sviQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9dLx6HzOn1ufXnrCLBeAKRZQPrm8Mr/DcNExj7NuAUc=; b=PXHoQqjGWKcSUzZGKvUcfe5+Mwqw1fqz714CbsnCDYAun34Y8cqxLxFxgkaZJ+wwvu YIobt1X65L+JYNQTF4mngUERCG47N7KsUJdIzY74u2xcXlYKOxInIjxtMIbheXJ7tgHM yP1Hauppybq9SGD+jF8/XZw46SVQKYsLXQpdvrD4RLV/YuXWSPKwgStRwIAYniip+Iz7 bV9SBLTAOc2UoolTIuYZK1IJMuLQNwAmgZpHKM7e0mC2zCwMSlUcw9MVp0ttEbByayPv kPPrgm4Pc+gqii7XtydRrEY/d9fRfd7yqjxGvQdLZYzm72kXKFLcsokOdKmKYXKidU+C WLoQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533CEJA+H3vdaPiKiVef/H8h9axC/5o+yphFVIb8fGFS7ZPxNZod u/OLUe6iUmM1cXC4NyRHFaJXJSVGfDGsSteBFbD3Zg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzdXJoPCCnSR9SGzYo/v5ol1ZwJD96Zi1gfHmDMFi6kwfYnc0sOznbNOvvKh3KG4kuHxrksdd67Rej7sGEVWY0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:1246:: with SMTP id j6mr4884506ilq.216.1595511348040; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 06:35:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1720589882.5509006.1595431360144@mail.yahoo.com> <20200722191856.296d1e2e@archlinux> <20200722204305.ca4991ef.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200722231611.3d782ae7@archlinux> <20200722234839.8e69a027.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200722234839.8e69a027.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:35:37 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: New Updates WAS: [FreeBSD (GhostBSD) Question?] To: Polytropon Cc: Ralf Mardorf , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCCyY3zm1z4ZY9 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=AQN1WsTp; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.16 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.965]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.024]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.035]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::131:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 13:35:50 -0000 Hi All, NOTE: To shorten the long message stream, I renamed it. Thanks to everyone for the wonderful comments and suggestions about GhostBSD, FreeBSD and making the transition. Last night, I fired up and installed GhostBSD on a drive and it works well. I really like the nice clean looking interface as a definice Pro, but from what I can see, it also does not use Freshports or the same PKG repository as FreeBSD which is what I have been browsing and learning from which is sort of a Con in this case. Also, it seems that GhostBSD can install the rEFInd boot loaded which runs well too. On the other side of things, I was able to also install the FreeBSD GUI edition (FuryBSD Xfce) which seems to be an exact use of FreeBSD along with the same ports and PKG usage, but with a nice desktop installed on it. I also really like it as well, but had a problem trying to get the bootloader installed and had to manually boot from my bios efi screen since something did not install correctly when it did the auto install. I also tried to manually download and set up the rEFInd bootloader from their site so that I could try to keep the FuryBSD installation,but could not easily figure out what I needed to install and where so I gave up and did another re-installation of the GhostBSD. I may give the FuryBSD a new clean try since I really want to be able to use the standard Freshports and base FreeBSD PKG system as my project is based upon mfsBSD in an effort to setup an ultra-small minimum FreeBSD with some Xserver (xorg-minimal), XFree86, Wayland-based, or some other that is absolutely the smallest of the bunch so that I can just run either a FreeRDP client or VNC client while keeping my mfsBSD as close to the current 30MB size as possible. Later, I will also try to make it even smaller, but right now just to get a very small graphics system on top of the mfsBSD core and add a remote desktop client is the primary goal. Thanks to everyone who has been giving me suggestions and guidance along the way. It's truly appreciated and I am learning a lot so that hopefully soon, I too, can contribute back more to FreeBSD as well. Cheers, Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 14:42:50 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9C53580D4 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:42:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCFRs50yhz4dfc for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:42:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.5.236.211]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MPoPd-1kCBD33yIV-00Mqg8; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:42:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:42:46 +0200 From: Polytropon To: nikitastepanov113@yandex.ru Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Does epsxe works on freebsd? 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I have not Testted it (no Playstation stuff availabe here), but the ports collection has the Linux version of ePSXe. Why don't you give it a try and report back if it works? That would be interesting for a future reference... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 14:57:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E8E358770 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.32]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx32.harte-lyne.ca", Issuer "CA_HLL_ISSUER_2016" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCFmy3GSQz4fb5 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:57:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca) Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca (localhost [127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585002BE15 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:57:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at harte-lyne.ca Received: from mx32.harte-lyne.ca ([127.0.32.1]) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (mx32.harte-lyne.ca [127.0.32.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3o-UVDDKpdiU for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail.harte-lyne.ca (webmail.hamilton.harte-lyne.ca [216.185.71.106]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx32.harte-lyne.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8266F2BE0A for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 216.185.71.44 (SquirrelMail authenticated user byrnejb_hll) by webmail.harte-lyne.ca with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:57:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3302e629caf1cbd35dacaa1504137218.squirrel@webmail.harte-lyne.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:57:35 -0400 Subject: Determine what a process is waiting on From: "James B. 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I would like to find out what it is waiting on. How is this done? -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Unencrypted messages have no legal claim to privacy Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:43:16PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >Did you compare the different browsers using > >https://www.whatsmybrowser.org/ >http://browserspy.dk/browser.php >https://www.whatismybrowser.com/ I installed a firefox addon [1] to the desktop and configured it thusly to change User-Agent string for * to the following value: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Iridium/2019.04 and the problem persists...=20 --=20 J. --gdTfX7fkYsEEjebm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEE8n3tWhxW11Ccvv9/s8o7QhFzNAUFAl8ZrrkACgkQs8o7QhFz NAVY2A/+PV/V3/mz7TyG8XXikX0ONooNTJ3pcCqcqfPzGfBefw26Y88J5U3dv5DX p+aCd2V0Rb6nAuvKV3LVZMTv1w4egi3MZZikQhTDsRIHmMsUAAG1cgqWc7PLMoZT OrYy8CgTEezBVk24HzRoZHJc85MdNZSAo1O9WQyHpduChfP4gCqey/y85GBkRdK0 6wnV6n70jyItUHJ3lYLSY/xlyBvS9bWSKih5eqfzRBsA4WfRZ4xuw28tKI3Xu8mi BQbwV8dAJvQZmU4rkxrTpuRzLGiqNBfEJthQ23wT8zu6ahMabplPgwd4P+SbnOHO t6I/I0f+/7QYEffGWdxC3LSSbetMz4nXQDAABXPmELGkkQXVPWYWZ+MpCs35uHEn XvqH+RuLjZF7Hrh26TFZp85GnAqRS13Y8w3KdL7ZLW6HpB/08A3nrIUNoEwNXtKY w39LwyuCtTARd20k+hOcrwX81/GZo6QlquXh4aLMgaCxv+ymjlxX0L1CBfSNBKjo zOiDwX/zufkcaEakXWaUhQhfkOHnL9PvyP8AIjihO/mMevTFIQEUFDFu7c7gZgwj QhRvD7+bdxH67dwM4z8LKTWSGTQg4EYY07th5CtH7XZaVFrvrRfWISdTXd+l4IsZ cZD9WFRcGGO6h6qT4Aye/4jJqWCu7AZAL+umjvWxSbrvS9JBUn8= =9Z/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gdTfX7fkYsEEjebm-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 15:52:34 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE7535A8C0 for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:52:34 -0000 Hello Ashish, I wanted to ask you a question on this. I am thinking about doing a new fresh FreeBSD (12.1) install that comes without a GUI (no Xserver installed) and was wondering if these steps are for Pure Wayland which I am guessing is using the DRM backend? I would then think that you did something like this from a fresh install: pkg install wayland pkg install haikari and then the steps that you outlined to startup the compositor and bring up the GUI environment from the console. Would this be about correct? Thanks again. On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:13 AM Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Thanks so very much for this insight as it will be very helpful. > > Cheers and have a great day, > Lonnie > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:22 AM Ashish SHUKLA wrote: > >> On 7/23/20 5:16 AM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: >> > >> > Well, I am making good progress with my new experiences in the FreeBSD >> > world and now it's time to get back on my project a bit. >> >> Following information is what I referred to when I setup Wayland on mine= : >> >> https://unrelenting.technology/kb/FreeBSDDesktop >> https://hub.darcs.net/raichoo/hikari >> >> And I use following script (analogous to startx of X11 world) to launch >> a Wayland desktop session: >> >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> #!/bin/sh >> >> >> export MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=3D1 >> export XDG_SESSION_TYPE=3Dwayland >> export XDG_RUNTIME_DIR=3D/tmp/$USER/.xdg >> export CLUTTER_BACKEND=3Dwayland >> export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=3Dwayland >> export LIBGL_DRI3_ENABLE=3D1 >> export XKB_DEFAULT_RULES=3Devdev >> export QT_QPA_PLATFORM=3Dwayland-egl >> export QT_WAYLAND_DISABLE_WINDOWDECORATION=3D1 >> export BEMENU_BACKEND=3Dwayland >> export WLR_DRM_NO_ATOMIC=3D1 >> >> [ -d $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR ] || mkdir -m 700 -p $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR >> >> #WM=3Dwayfire >> #WM=3Dsway >> WM=3Dhikari >> >> >> exec $WM >$HOME/.xsession-errors 2>&1 >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> Important part, make sure /tmp is not a ZFS mountpoint. I've it on tmpfs >> filesystem. >> >> HTH >> -- >> Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682CDCC39DC0FEAE11620B6C746CFA9E74FA4B0 >> >> =E2=80=9CThere is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.= =E2=80=9D (Ken >> Olson, founder of DEC, 1977) >> >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 16:07:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F30335AC4C for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCHKZ6FKxz3W8m for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:07:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tech-lists@zyxst.net) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52D735C007F for ; 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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 09:50:20AM +1000, Tim Preston wrote: >I'm sorry to say I don't have any ideas, but don't give up because it does= =20 >work for me. > >I'm a fastmail user and I exclusively use the web interface on 12.1 with= =20 > Firefox (currently 78.0.2). hmm, very puzzling this The firefox on the desktop and on the remote vm is 79.0,1. The desktop runs freebsd-12-stable r363045 and the remote vm runs -current r363183. The 12-stable firefox was built on poudriere-devel and the -current firefox was installed via pkg from the current default catalogue. The -current firefox has no addons installed at all and ff sync is not enabled. From the -current machine I was able to telnet to an external mail host to port 587 and I got the remote smtp banner. The vm is hosted in another country, so I don't think it's my IP. fastmail.= com website works fine in iridium both local and remote. To load the site on the remote vm, I ssh -Y -C remotevm and then firefox --no-remote --safe-mode https://fastmail.com wonder if i can run firefox with debugging, or will it be javascript debugging. It's hard to debug without first knowing what is likely to say "posting failed". a real chicken-and-egg thing. I dunno which would be most useful, there are quite a few debugging options but surely it is fastmail themselves who are saying "sending failed" ? In which case firefox debugging would show nothing... On top of that, all other fastmail.com website/webmail stuff works in either firefox. 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It's hard to debug without first knowing what is likely to >say "posting failed". a real chicken-and-egg thing. > >I dunno which would be most useful, there are quite a few debugging >options but surely it is fastmail themselves who are saying "sending >failed" ? In which case firefox debugging would show nothing... > >On top of that, all other fastmail.com website/webmail stuff works in >either firefox. It's just sending email that is broken. > >arrrrggggg! > >maybe it's my account?! lol I never used a debugging option, but when save-mode fails, too, I start with a new profile or even better I add a new user, log in as the new user and start Firefox from the new user account. Browsers are a PITA today. Since it works for you using another browser, I wouldn't waste any time and use this one instead. There is a certain irony in the fact that I'm using "Edge" to play web radio on my iPad Pro. I pay a lot of money for a very expensive Apple product, to run a Google based Windows browser. On Linux I migrated from Firefox to Qupzilla/Falcon, then back to Firefox + Google Chrome for some media streams. At the moment even Google-Chrome is broken and I'm back to more or less Firefox only. On Linux I can build two bloated kernels parallel with stuff I never ever need, let alone tailored kernels, in around 90 to 120 minutes, but building a single bloated browser takes at least 120 minutes. A 3.9G tmpfs works for almost all bloatware, even for many kernels, but not for a web browser, such as Firefox. There's an old Emacs joke, saying that Emacs is a great operating system, lacking only a decent editor. You could say something similar about web browsers, they are operating systems (not necessarily good ones), without a decent web browser. What ever OS I'm using, I usually use a handful of different browsers, for different purposes. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 17:10:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21D135C73D for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCJkD1TLFz3Yr8 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:10:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCJjz0rcmzFdvK for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:10:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595524226; bh=2gYXEjakwVCLNg6YkCdFbLRoUaz1NpJnVuyBdq9cqog=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=RxCFYn4PT0pjspzxkuvuNALC7MmY/K5iXBtH2fgGFs1fyYuW9dP493tD6ALu9x7qn cIzOztAK8jaoBNDw47Z/rqX/ERjp/uWSflV4CE2j+Tg9vG2aDYwRhhq4lczSR8u7aV n9pUOL7ooEcEMupNxJ6gJuUHqFWsZhcfh0EDW2Vc= X-Riseup-User-ID: 3BC77A400BE29D5B44B2067D5CA2AB85DB851FB83CAEC8426250506B8617A6F6 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BCJjy35Djz8tp3 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:10:08 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: odd issue affecting firefox (any version) on freebsd (any version) Message-ID: <20200723191008.575a231e@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200723190432.5d75f98d@archlinux> References: <4e356f78-b1f0-4bce-98fe-2f86d827a767@www.fastmail.com> <20200723160700.GG46914@bastion.zyxst.net> <20200723190432.5d75f98d@archlinux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCJkD1TLFz3Yr8 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=RxCFYn4P; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.16 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.003]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.56)[-0.557]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:10:28 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:04:32 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >What ever OS I'm using, I usually use a handful of different >browsers, for different purposes. If possible I would use just one operating system, but the issue already starts with the OS. I need several operating systems, for different purposes and in addition for each operating system different web browser for different purposes. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 17:27:00 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B3635CE68 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCK5J17MYz3b2M; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:26:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chateau.d.if (unknown [122.162.198.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ashish/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 590881C2B9; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:26:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland on FreeBSD To: Lonnie Cumberland References: <4acde791-2974-4f83-cf18-2a05918d483b@FreeBSD.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Ashish SHUKLA Organization: The FreeBSD Project Message-ID: <537545f7-1186-ca69-0c12-bf8a4b0f52ad@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:56:52 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Qj26i7ysPS8ihAFFFHfyFniUTiyfpdyQw" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:27:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Qj26i7ysPS8ihAFFFHfyFniUTiyfpdyQw Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="DuKXOgRZPX5sz7Kaf0mCAZ1JsX26Nw01g" --DuKXOgRZPX5sz7Kaf0mCAZ1JsX26Nw01g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/23/20 9:22 PM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Hello Ashish, >=20 > I wanted to ask you a question on this. >=20 > I am thinking about doing a new fresh FreeBSD (12.1) install that comes= > without a GUI (no Xserver installed) and was wondering if these steps > are for Pure Wayland which I am guessing is using the DRM backend? Yes. > I would then think that you did something like this from a fresh instal= l: >=20 > pkg install wayland > pkg install haikari I didn't explicitly install wayland. I installed "sway", and "hikari" both of which depend on "wayland" package. Apart from above mentioned packages, I also installed "graphics/drm-kmod" port to get the latest drivers for my AMD GPU. > and then the steps that you outlined to startup the compositor and brin= g > up the GUI environment from the console. >=20 > Would this be about correct? Yes, this should be it. There are also other helper packages which I have installed, although are completely optional: grim-1.3.1 Grab images from a Wayland compositor dmenu-wayland-0.1 Efficient dynamic menu for wayland slurp-1.2.0_1 Select a region in a Wayland compositor swayidle-1.6 Idle management daemon for Wayland swaylock-1.5_1 Screen locker for Wayland waybar-0.9.2_3 Highly customizable Wayland bar for Sway and wlroots-based compositors wev-1.0.0_1 Wayland event viewer wl-clipboard-2.0.0 Command-line copy/paste utilities for Wayl= and wlogout-1.1.1_1 Wayland-based logout menu redshift-1.12_1 Adjusts the color temperature of your scre= en All the best --=20 Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 --DuKXOgRZPX5sz7Kaf0mCAZ1JsX26Nw01g-- --Qj26i7ysPS8ihAFFFHfyFniUTiyfpdyQw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE9oLNzDncD+rhFiC2x0bPqedPpLAFAl8ZyFwACgkQx0bPqedP pLBfzxAAkiBqKcROtdTpMVTdY62SdggyDF51yg8Zu4bomCNRUQnMrvkenzKOuEVt Cr/2MW370EQiJzjgOf3dj3UJw6n5ISsHrAp3ViLiu3PWJcO+XVDN4hX2D8iZwTpg W5FzZL2PFTg9JPLEql/9eurm3XyX2WqaDdNjV32gPScv35nqxt+POgzgy8cy0MNI HuZ0wMWZGHADObY9gPnmB6Jp4J7MUrT7d8lJbw9NYBotkzNego1qocGrK7j0sLwk yCLRnR6LF324yTEp/NNInGxAcwmoz4hmiQ4xk2san+yukWJDWdqLRmRCoXobmu+e 82baFUg/4qFrurccfxopnWWLL+hgoO0bdMNHgZKE0fo844JUwT+TmMrjRsQMZjg/ LL5uFssKLk52aMxXYHkSmN233LqvLMT/aIplhTWSGxcUTwxDhQ4xU5cyeCrzvwpu Q34ENYzVvXQGntNxAgnxUup62nJ7ihiALr0uO5NfI6SlcLkWJ4C6SHzv+h2zL5Er +DnhzH/wwfhgzjRyhiGGNuc57HUleqKcqS3L1gJ+lG7HrSZxJrupmuHK6of6komU tkl1jX6LGPGxcq4w8R4DbpMw78qRrR3cYeEzozVHIbEr8mPilpUJO7jPhehuR2Dq LbHEWEwnpXHI5Na9vaytd5EX0pJlfE7XzGvTpMr4+nf+IlroGVE= =pLH0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Qj26i7ysPS8ihAFFFHfyFniUTiyfpdyQw-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 17:43:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79DD35DB93 for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:43:21 -0000 Thanks Ashish, I am going to give it all a try in just a few moments on a fresh install of FreeBSD (12.1). Hope that it goes well. :) Cheers, Lonnie On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:27 PM Ashish SHUKLA wrote: > On 7/23/20 9:22 PM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > Hello Ashish, > > > > I wanted to ask you a question on this. > > > > I am thinking about doing a new fresh FreeBSD (12.1) install that comes > > without a GUI (no Xserver installed) and was wondering if these steps > > are for Pure Wayland which I am guessing is using the DRM backend? > > Yes. > > > I would then think that you did something like this from a fresh install: > > > > pkg install wayland > > pkg install haikari > > I didn't explicitly install wayland. I installed "sway", and "hikari" > both of which depend on "wayland" package. > > Apart from above mentioned packages, I also installed > "graphics/drm-kmod" port to get the latest drivers for my AMD GPU. > > > and then the steps that you outlined to startup the compositor and bring > > up the GUI environment from the console. > > > > Would this be about correct? > > Yes, this should be it. > > There are also other helper packages which I have installed, although > are completely optional: > > grim-1.3.1 Grab images from a Wayland compositor > dmenu-wayland-0.1 Efficient dynamic menu for wayland > slurp-1.2.0_1 Select a region in a Wayland compositor > swayidle-1.6 Idle management daemon for Wayland > swaylock-1.5_1 Screen locker for Wayland > waybar-0.9.2_3 Highly customizable Wayland bar for Sway > and wlroots-based compositors > wev-1.0.0_1 Wayland event viewer > wl-clipboard-2.0.0 Command-line copy/paste utilities for > Wayland > wlogout-1.1.1_1 Wayland-based logout menu > redshift-1.12_1 Adjusts the color temperature of your screen > > All the best > -- > Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 17:50:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B95C35DDEC for ; 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::344:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.12)[-0.122]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:50:32 -0000 Hello List Admins, I am somehow at the end of my thinking capacity with this problem, yet I think it's something minor that a third eye can help me with: I have installed mailman-2.1.34 on a brand new box running FreeBSD-12.1. The problem is that the web UI won't open. It instead prompts me to download a file. The contents of the file can be seen from the below link: https://pastebin.com/8bh6g6rv How I have done the installation: 1. I did the manual options cd mailman-2.1.34 ./configure --with-cgi-gid=80 --with-mail-gid=26 make make install 2. The files in /usr/local/mailman: drwxrwsr-x 24 root mailman 1024 Jul 22 17:42 . drwxr-xr-x 29 root wheel 1024 Jul 19 16:08 .. drwxrwsr-x 11 root mailman 3072 Jul 22 15:52 Mailman drwxrwsr-x 5 mailman mailman 512 Jul 19 17:32 archives drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 1536 Jul 22 15:52 bin drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 22 15:52 cgi-bin drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 23 02:19 cron drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 22 15:52 data drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 22 15:52 icons -rw-r--r-- 1 root mailman 10 Apr 18 2015 last_mailman_version drwxrwsr-x 27 root mailman 1024 Jul 19 17:32 lists drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 23 12:00 locks drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 22 12:44 logs drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 22 15:52 mail drwxrwsrwx 22 root mailman 512 Jul 29 2017 mailman drwxrwsr-x 41 root mailman 512 Dec 7 2018 messages drwxrwsr-x 3 root mailman 512 Jul 19 17:32 pythonlib drwxrwsr-x 12 root mailman 512 Jul 19 17:32 qfiles drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 22 15:52 scripts drwxrwsr-x 2 root mailman 512 Jul 19 17:32 spam drwxrwsr-x 45 root mailman 1024 Jul 19 17:32 templates drwxrwsr-x 4 root mailman 512 Jul 22 15:52 tests 3. The file perms in the cgi-bin/ -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 admin -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 admindb -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 confirm -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 create -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 edithtml -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 19312 Jul 19 17:32 htdig -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 listinfo -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 19312 Jul 19 17:32 mmsearch -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 options -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 private -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 rmlist -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 roster -rw-r-Sr-- 1 root mailman 37742 Nov 25 2012 sitemap.xml.gz -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 32728 Jul 22 15:52 subscribe -rwxr-sr-x 1 root mailman 108566 Oct 23 2009 swish.cgi root@gw:/usr/local/etc/apache24/Includes # id mailman uid=91(mailman) gid=91(mailman) groups=91(mailman),26(mailnull),80(www) root@gw:/usr/local/etc/apache24/Includes # id www uid=80(www) gid=80(www) groups=80(www),72(rt4) VirtualHost configuration: ServerName lists.mydom.ain ServerAdmin odhiambo@gmail.com ErrorLog /var/log/mailman-error.log RewriteEngine On # RedirectPermanent /mailman/ https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/ RewriteRule ^/(mailman|pipermail|icons|htdig)/.+$ - [S=1] RewriteRule ^/(mailman|pipermail|icons|htdig)(/.*) https://%{HTTP_HOST}/$1$2$3$4 [L,R] RedirectPermanent /htdig /icons/htdig RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ /mailman/listinfo/ Alias /pipermail "/usr/local/mailman/archives/public" Options Indexes FollowSymlinks AllowOverride all Order Allow,Deny Allow from all Require all granted ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/ Options FollowSymLinks ExecCGI AllowOverride None Order Allow,Deny Allow from all Require all granted What is it that I am being blind to that makes the web UI not open? Thanking you in advance for being my third eye. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 23 19:01:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2720C3602AD for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:01:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x129.google.com (mail-il1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCMBs11vFz41CW for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x129.google.com with SMTP id e18so5243191ilr.7 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mrx+pahW5Mh957IdBYyqvM4tmgytuaonhoeiAtnxqiY=; b=ptt7joKnWz6NVDqNB0Ub1udViDa/PoNaHgv3g2DB+QrLFfmOTgZq5MtzlJ8z2wIy9Y y8pZiQSJw8+Fn1r5iB57OdMkLg/g8NzDqeAnqyKI3elrqHJBjJ/KJMhf6ZsN3zcExaP/ 8b9mXYBlJX/cx84tOUcZtpNOheja8hD/4mhLg1CaYM8Kh/BVDI2YqQQK/51LOKtEN/UP FD7RhdI9zvJNwOYRvJf8VEFtZUq2DVYcEEcw37HtKXIpK3jrEvazQWz8c4dWMCGSqdCp JBYg1E3Y5xvTcPUOzIWMykQhS4zeJg2obW0uO7ttJ/umkCFtrkzXQ5rp8fh18OVLM15b KOZw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mrx+pahW5Mh957IdBYyqvM4tmgytuaonhoeiAtnxqiY=; b=M4bIeYCp2mAt9A7bWjs/Mp4f1AEAeSobOY7je/4MBde/dY7Dw2cEh9DtzczqQBmrgK +FlPTplW5vNDR9xWuvZYELon9R0sO/9D/rkoAILDZ1LuctnPkiqEcNQ5i4XsAA1nvBsz mmvTsHJ2jj3Gg8sLgZQRyT/NskeGe8vsGFEV7lkDD8eNYKUT1BOgEAHcyjDtUMdkqc6i GCDAsIReh1+THe3ZqJD1wbxEmpvGBhSeOavJ696aRiFxLH8OiGrC/1I46B8/+yyNAPjF 8pu2DYozAjdbTNORhTCfyW17/Xl21LJzlabRrkSiXZYH9QF504FXuiGz/JoKiV93xkNe W9Zw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533VlpCGo4voYmRt0bJkpzkoL5oay2kS3cN4x+j9YovoEW76v8Pk z98vYd6X5TIGRH6eDdvn5J4MpZL4U+C8VyV4U9x7M1+O+uAH8A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzM2m2hDOjwB31Gu1bCx1f43rcy/Ga2WGU9tyZGGqy/Qh6/tUu9kwWKpC1+YOoCu0UcmQ744zzsKEEwuAbSkqM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:545:: with SMTP id i5mr2973327ils.59.1595530914899; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:01:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4acde791-2974-4f83-cf18-2a05918d483b@FreeBSD.org> <537545f7-1186-ca69-0c12-bf8a4b0f52ad@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland on FreeBSD To: Ashish SHUKLA Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCMBs11vFz41CW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=ptt7joKn; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::129 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.979]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.023]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::129:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.247]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:01:58 -0000 Hello Ashish, I just followed your steps but now when I try to start up sway, hikari, or wayfire (installed it too), I get a DRM device error message: [backend/backend.c:304] Failed to open any DRM device I do have a GPU on this system, not a good one, but still do have one: GK107 GeForce GT 740 Am I missing something here? Cheers, Lonnie On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:43 PM Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Thanks Ashish, > > I am going to give it all a try in just a few moments on a fresh install > of FreeBSD (12.1). > > Hope that it goes well. :) > Cheers, > Lonnie > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:27 PM Ashish SHUKLA wrote: > >> On 7/23/20 9:22 PM, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: >> > Hello Ashish, >> > >> > I wanted to ask you a question on this. >> > >> > I am thinking about doing a new fresh FreeBSD (12.1) install that comes >> > without a GUI (no Xserver installed) and was wondering if these steps >> > are for Pure Wayland which I am guessing is using the DRM backend? >> >> Yes. >> >> > I would then think that you did something like this from a fresh >> install: >> > >> > pkg install wayland >> > pkg install haikari >> >> I didn't explicitly install wayland. I installed "sway", and "hikari" >> both of which depend on "wayland" package. >> >> Apart from above mentioned packages, I also installed >> "graphics/drm-kmod" port to get the latest drivers for my AMD GPU. >> >> > and then the steps that you outlined to startup the compositor and bring >> > up the GUI environment from the console. >> > >> > Would this be about correct? >> >> Yes, this should be it. >> >> There are also other helper packages which I have installed, although >> are completely optional: >> >> grim-1.3.1 Grab images from a Wayland compositor >> dmenu-wayland-0.1 Efficient dynamic menu for wayland >> slurp-1.2.0_1 Select a region in a Wayland compositor >> swayidle-1.6 Idle management daemon for Wayland >> swaylock-1.5_1 Screen locker for Wayland >> waybar-0.9.2_3 Highly customizable Wayland bar for Sway >> and wlroots-based compositors >> wev-1.0.0_1 Wayland event viewer >> wl-clipboard-2.0.0 Command-line copy/paste utilities for >> Wayland >> wlogout-1.1.1_1 Wayland-based logout menu >> redshift-1.12_1 Adjusts the color temperature of your >> screen >> >> All the best >> -- >> Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 >> >> From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 01:11:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571113699FC for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qk1-x731.google.com (mail-qk1-x731.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::731]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCWPT3m8Bz4PLN for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luzar722@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qk1-x731.google.com with SMTP id b79so7287789qkg.9 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:11:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9sQ1D5zmsJn4LU5TRUVma50Huuvg+po+rmEVt5Riy8s=; b=MwkzydP3ou5yJ3P6P9v904XzrBq0/BpypCczoFYEaR20bziPMz77KwkZdBaXh1ENel myaRIlQMVvkpogwYOgVFG2raUcUPAO/G9GeovlrFfrHJn+NVbTr1V2xOsLP79k6qzDKa h6MsxhpVOU7gsG1nCh0sLtkajsDcy7hSqyaHkxiak42YNAkSXGUhHA5KBknT7BmPD0Gv qgspg1aGl7FBu0+V7gKZOYBYoYq5gpVMUrTuu9MPrRODZtW+ED3eqr5v7jQy65s377tI x3kTMvcEkveTAH+OZ1cYxxo1nzBCRPIBTpLsgDDIuvOoM0qpa0zi7a6/vddRCoXo0nJv 8uDg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9sQ1D5zmsJn4LU5TRUVma50Huuvg+po+rmEVt5Riy8s=; b=TsXM4UsauxyxFaVYzA4HuhSu/J1l+eRwTXpka++PfSJX5Xb57bG2v/xe/bbNcnL1BX kw7KNEbjURIW+n7gjieKi4+lm4/lPEtTIBLA+PPZeMfNujmdUmqFcJjKFbOvl5nvmiq3 3h2bLXRlQfzCvJEX7C3ptlK50oe3PxSUl/0sXSFKfVes3wR1uCJiRv+cmTGktThwYaVC eu99oipiauKVIHnf0GF+iWjn5euZLison1MqROJkVM6mwekTljLQFdHy2pmgJ21PMSAX Z58GYPunNU5F0P6GowizsRQu2wfUZ7YNm934P/GghHFvzYDHxUMJcyfUiaXUzUIP0oUB 2PFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533YbDmRzwcKAh3RWmvwL8lbhpYoTBf5ZUeqi14eigCUiYLx9Unf IK4xmYxsLX90CTR3HTzoaidbfY2m X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJylkRRr1tihPjRk5urY8Iw86Dhcbbes5ZDPCICyOiAUMOIjJkdPttYXizeHx3n3jfrsXV0oug== X-Received: by 2002:a37:9803:: with SMTP id a3mr7864184qke.124.1595553100403; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.10.8] (cpe-65-25-51-0.neo.res.rr.com. [65.25.51.0]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id r185sm4500561qkb.39.2020.07.23.18.11.39 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:11:39 -0400 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: ipfw is making contact with 198.61.170.85 port 4021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCWPT3m8Bz4PLN X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=MwkzydP3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of luzar722@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::731 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=luzar722@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.14 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.316]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[65.25.51.0:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.89)[-0.894]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.932]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::731:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:11:42 -0000 A firewall should not be making its own contact with any public ip address. This is a security hole. I have not played with ipfw since before it was rewritten to become ipfw2 so I do not know when this internal "call home" function was added. pf and ipf are not doing this. I block it to be secure. Can any one provide any info about this? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 01:22:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7630F36A48A for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x435.google.com (mail-wr1-x435.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::435]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCWfN4jrpz4Q47 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x435.google.com with SMTP id f1so6284902wro.2 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:22:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8eCXFDRfYnndVHx9m/HQfKvDOaeizmSTuTvdhbw/JvE=; b=EuqsvNMbCnRTdac3AUOnpfm9jq81u/njd4/EzquFvO7oCfE+jyNjm5HLufIXrw5FBJ KMNYAgOcXQJArMdjeBPWUwJrsdOX403BuZz6u25SDV1cIQxiZ0cOOG92B9cBkBn7GPXE iKQSqxREAyhbHmBPvcogheWnJkLGqc9RViqE2uy7zgtzKkH32s24wP3SN/nWDkqauzW3 FUtiU0oijGZbT0DKEO28f2PnnZtky02srU9CwiSAn6Cpju2f3GtvsPnyutSQMZqn0b7k fSkTD/dRyX2bRIivCk/zL88MtjQ91pNXSC5R9LvlKzUoutCiWf33cwoHqdJDYEzBZvjH K32g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531DEVoeH/ywQR3kWaaWj9tcDT3FYbswnvxHrehogOwbogHiXb5t v+HcgWL/jaJGN5CIVktHjSx/yXUf X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwQ+HSOfw/QJ0jOif2l/av+JZH1R1QaAaEmBZuS9da4AU2KLl9d5mlMtvVUbJnqpASS37qn+w== X-Received: by 2002:adf:a1c6:: with SMTP id v6mr6244800wrv.197.1595553770832; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com ([2.222.65.254]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a134sm5820321wmd.17.2020.07.23.18.22.49 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 02:22:47 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw is making contact with 198.61.170.85 port 4021 Message-ID: <20200724022247.59475066@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> References: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCWfN4jrpz4Q47 X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.92 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[2.222.65.254:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.89)[-0.895]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.70)[-0.702]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::435:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.32)[-0.324]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:22:53 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:11:39 -0400 Ernie Luzar wrote: > A firewall should not be making its own contact with any public ip > address. This is a security hole. > > I have not played with ipfw since before it was rewritten to become > ipfw2 so I do not know when this internal "call home" function was > added. pf and ipf are not doing this. I block it to be secure. > > Can any one provide any info about this? It might help if you explain what you have actually seen. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 01:37:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F43736A82F for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:37:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "GoGetSSL RSA DV CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCWyy2r1mz4Qf9 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:37:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.19.2 (ClamAV engine v0.99.2) X-ExtFilter: Niversoft's DomainKeys Helper DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent: MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=eQG4+/xoH7vexYwkwthxdMzt1OHNsiCTvl7Af57aB+ERxjVpC9Q0t5mNbvXznegSuT Q8gOPJuHiIRLcGyq2SAAn11Th8o9uiJAGVK4DwGIpnyZfcBMKE1KxoZ6XioKyE3M7Ru3 9hBJ+N+Iyms7BmqTYQNFxzse+kJ9XzAe2ezwDIgXA/yA4C+CXGpt5tTmOL1WCH8uvyin CDxTndEom+rR60/hP7o7KIF061Tq9wp+HB/kbBcecMmNuYouaxUaanrAkEzovvBfzeS2 MQ279yZR3bYX+PmGB8NaG6VVT9fVGDkQzRMrYgIJbmIy6QAYN2lpusYUBtZz3gxm5G5s 8shw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=radel.com; s=20170108.radel; t=1595554627; x=1596159427; q=dns/txt; h=Subject:To:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; bh=dvUw6pc4nsf d247M8FRYALfJ7vqZpOAM4ik8duIq8A8=; b=beQ1TU9eNy8+PwEBsV4OwRTBbTH 1H/KU0wEgknx2MszPlqktnCUySriBRkPPaEOaLsjSI/ReoKRyqTdmwsZ0V8xkgPX b7aBQlXAXxBrxBNnUTKo7BRsXNwAlk6jlhi9mn09aZ2W6nfkyE4eviOhbRaAVMj2 A/uXamyGUWDi6zL5gPr7c3C/qQJOJFmjjAypMJJH2JgCaXFVnk/Q0eFD2lhSz35Z SbjkfVxrCj4RZr45/QtMG18Ha7zO7Wfk9p18u9j/f91ACDKDd3x4MUK7IcrrrEka a2qBcNF6mykakCiPzMMFVDjJRkwpGQWH1iS5GSkdLWGWeBRx0gEiEz9zTVA== Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:8486:2dea:18a7:b095] (account jon@radel.com HELO haralson.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.14 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 2196145 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:37:06 +0000 Subject: Re: ipfw is making contact with 198.61.170.85 port 4021 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:37:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms000100080509040708040509" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCWyy2r1mz4Qf9 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=radel.com header.s=20170108.radel header.b=beQ1TU9e; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=radel.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jon@radel.com designates 70.184.242.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jon@radel.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.57 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[radel.com:s=20170108.radel]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SIGNED_SMIME(-2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:70.184.242.160/28]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[radel.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[radel.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[radel.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.451]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.027]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22773, ipnet:70.184.240.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:37:17 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000100080509040708040509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US On 7/23/20 21:11, Ernie Luzar wrote: > A firewall should not be making its own contact with any public ip > address. This is a security hole. > > I have not played with ipfw since before it was rewritten to become > ipfw2 so I do not know when this internal "call home"=C2=A0 function wa= s > added. pf and ipf are not doing this. I block it to be secure. > > Can any one provide any info about this? > What type of network is behind this firewall? There any chance there's a security system with an EnvisaLink module involved somewhere on that network? http://forum.eyez-on.com/FORUM/viewtopic.php?f=3D6&t=3D4537&p=3D12719&hil= it=3D4021&sid=3D219dbab688b1286687b661e31b4346b2#p12719 --=20 --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms000100080509040708040509 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC C9owggXmMIIDzqADAgECAhBqm+E4O/8ra58B1dm4p1JWMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBDAUAMIGFMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJHQjEbMBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQHEwdTYWxm b3JkMRowGAYDVQQKExFDT01PRE8gQ0EgTGltaXRlZDErMCkGA1UEAxMiQ09NT0RPIFJTQSBD ZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIEF1dGhvcml0eTAeFw0xMzAxMTAwMDAwMDBaFw0yODAxMDkyMzU5NTla MIGXMQswCQYDVQQGEwJHQjEbMBkGA1UECBMSR3JlYXRlciBNYW5jaGVzdGVyMRAwDgYDVQQH 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But when I start a vnet jail using the bridge/epair method with no NAT on the ipfw running inside of the vnet jail using 2 simple stateless rules to let everything in and out. The same 2 pings as those that work on the host do not work from the vnet jail. If I comment out the ipfirewall statements in the vnet jails rc.conf thee the 2 pings work. I sure would like to find out if this combo really works before I spend more time trying to debug this problem. If you have this working please let me know. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 01:46:17 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528C336AC4B for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCX9N0h2Dz4RFH for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:46:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.8.146]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N49d1-1kypO80Sh7-0107V9; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:46:13 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:46:11 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ipfw is making contact with 198.61.170.85 port 4021 Message-Id: <20200724034611.53c30377.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> References: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:pxHRnzUy+XuGGJncfyHAZcw4cAQ3yocYu2L9ZZMZgEOYDe3wOmJ 1J/Y9+jJN6jztazsW1uHxjcynFGYCuMFUPCAESRt6vSyPfpMupt2q2iNmLVtm+EAYwKknhj lwPmo2jPUXxLX5KjSlSQQrEcwmqtubq11SkRehpMPLmNsGzX1oofGEzlFxtzdaXCghNR8Ib wK6afQlM8+/GyAP5m9F3w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ABh5WaQHlc4=:9+BWLSoYMUwnPGMoa/5R5Y q2Ud+9b2QK/nojJTRPVfjpdZ8XNBVuLattwAUa9Gx4sWnF/yX5D8CaH4CrnhSKL/DyqEJkrwj 6+XOSHzga/mqMqsgH0DVrpt2R9pU9pEIcqrYOr714jKFkVLzksxBMJBS80sgXdfkGFn3FzTCY RZG58JLU5Bcpwgdav+8sjKQGWhDrTASL5Rddz7MyUW9vfp45LG3NHIaLmIWSzpWyuSipt1XYW 5lJp2YzO9OZHR5Moz48LTvUYP8DMBdRyj+sV8u5XxY9D3SwrndkEjaYs81G/5SQk2Q2o5SCMW PQyLPycVuMzIFHzrxn5x/K/WtFcWcPcRblCa8oN5s5JxnBzWFvHs6VanfMyHbib+2J3FhL/a2 y4bha55lAfpbOUN2WachHY3KBbYGsm4NcydG4e67UF08hvKJSO48OIOfHk7MA6fDYjnMkj4Wv O0aDlUXgCKEXJUH52G/fXO65YAYeAqTj1vxR0W9SLS+JDbMRfhQ6J3u5JMm6pe2hYhd+ro50R 2BYGlrUC2hPSJ2CJcPohEVFNEf4f75BqYgYw1rTVCbBsnc5RF4KyXZqAV7EDNcnmLq2R6f5Hg 7B2ABidiW3sPwbqGS3iOXPZ4vf0FvnW2OKRO+hdl506WjZzBiybY5Dz/6N+W5ZCVbgqz6GE0y 8b+41KuptsCdQSgProeLGRbrjpm1pyD9JSpesl3hAP8U4MdDun3TaivWNuLSem99XjCZtyDyP D+tz0sOFEO3K1bUgzqBiNvt9vYoJ6/ROc9jRWm8j8KAyhtolKJb5/MWWZo7iQKYDJcN3t5a9a vtBILJLikZKyNNL76PNWVanVubjCa2RSB+GRdSlc5xHNOnPargqrjJJaOMSHFHUE6IrhXvp X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCX9N0h2Dz4RFH X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.72.192.74) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.73 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.68)[-0.682]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.8.146:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:217.72.192.0/20, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.29)[0.294]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.72)[0.716]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[217.72.192.74:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:46:17 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:11:39 -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > A firewall should not be making its own contact with any public ip > address. This is a security hole. If ipfw should have done that - yes, that would be correct. However, it is not the purpose of a firewall to contact anything, anywhere, and ipfw has not done so in decades. May I ask why you assume that ipfw is the problem here? Do you have any specific logs or messages that you can post to the list? Sidenote: The IP 198.61.170.85 belongs to alerts0.envisacor.com. The homepage belongs to something called "Envisacor" which states about itself that it is "a premiere ODM to the Security and Home Automation industries" and is doing "design including IP based-products". So maybe it's in fact something in your network you bought from that company that is phoning home? Just guessing. But at least it looks like a valid assumption... > I have not played with ipfw since before it was rewritten to become > ipfw2 so I do not know when this internal "call home" function was > added. Never. > Can any one provide any info about this? If _you_ can provide some more information? :-) Do you have any logs that show what is the originator of the connection, what connection it is, and maybe if there is some content transmitted? Tools like tcpdump or wireshark can be helpful here. But if you have firewall logging, maybe you can show some lines from the log related to that IP address? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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This is a security hole. >> >> I have not played with ipfw since before it was rewritten to become >> ipfw2 so I do not know when this internal "call home" function was >> added. pf and ipf are not doing this. I block it to be secure. >> >> Can any one provide any info about this? > > It might help if you explain what you have actually seen. I see log entries in the hosts /var/log/security file for outbound packets going to the ip address and port number comming from 10.0.10.1 which is the private ip address of the host. sendmail is turned off and nothing else is running on the host From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 01:53:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A847536B112 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:53:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCXL94JNKz4RnB for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:53:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.8.146]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1M7KG2-1jtG4315P2-007kl5; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:53:51 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:53:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: ipfw is making contact with 198.61.170.85 port 4021 Message-Id: <20200724035350.ff89f558.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> References: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+L4Em/zvttGqdcz9kOYibY5WQv2MkMd2zGy4KphjqOjY1NQ8bX0 A72Ex4ApgYZNWe2H7ytfMgARt97B7xtsrRLMrKsJ583tdKW0gRnxdqFWVjjsfYqJSvfaCEg SvKZoc2QkofgA2JJSukPPJhs+2kyj7BzBbFHUWCpxM7EimKlrtIwxSHlUpYRdb7Qf7SMJFN JJJxpo7cK3B9SfZHQYrOA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:tFPqxJxz9bU=:wncC0YqaYbCE+kyywZlJIT 6lVml4iTQbJKh9fIicU4Hx3DWZf+QhcP1R+Vsd7kqHH8oPcXGn0dCmNGViL/G2K6diEezq+rV jNz3OMNgYVMVBPfrM79HccrMF5p5j8mAEJ8kc4TOGHVE2D//fCeRIBpYcQSCdxVkogG+1W6hM 8QQ2Mz6zzGR2TE865EupXt5rrRj+IWe9yD/E+BkEScSXZIci+YJkOmWB5GZoiZ46wuWGJwr6W Ln5XY5Tfv6cWazeTDuuB0omBSPCdD6w96JVs8xu3FMWfKf4nqA7IUfW5PvaSiVTXJaED/Cmg+ X+52wY3MejJDyeMgawpOsgBvDGlwrmWH2koAhDvSVtA+lbKsb8i6vDnAnWFpfHDmMjITwZDdv WZDv4K6jX5T+ZPkFlfEjLk9yIFRnEyTqeVh1OpyhdM9gbm47JaAUkJiAIfGTe13M4oSAHR2aW ozCBdxMp7b4WFQETXOAHbW+/dC2YvQE+BC9RkxbiDK1MbvI1uPr71aVxtrEGk98/6e0i25E4k KaTmcs8Qjy7Xhh0IzwLfHzNYQ2jhzKSSQfMY9h2MpHgMfyZXYOCQWH3PFqjpXjlbANk2FrlUu szWDzGtgecS8SZuirToVADUuy9cWc9jF3ZM1rZCYcPrHnMKLcvD6gWiWMkhZuctknx8XkUgX1 BnzxIOvhbp/2Bf5ysBsUJwwkMW62NCbwXSwvrJCwv7tAopMD+te8S6XfuR6A+E90mEvy8/MnD sDBA8JRPbHCxtWymWq6Rqu0ezoayMYZOJM716QjEVuyYBlpncDFCUJxXiMX3X/MbSYZhmjklO AsMTm0GCQ7ezQ5pDe/ZcXWapdC3iLQtIYowHeMNNR9dqP462iYhC+CMhi2Xml8hFHwmZRvg X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCXL94JNKz4RnB X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.13) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.73 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.68)[-0.685]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.8.146:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.30)[0.303]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.71)[0.713]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:53:54 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:11:39 -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > A firewall should not be making its own contact with any public ip > address. This is a security hole. Allow me an addition: As you now know that the IP 198.61.170.85 belongs to a company called "Envisacor", also note that port 4021 seems to have a designed purpose: Port 4021 TCP and UDP are "nexus-portal", registered to "Nexus Portal". Could that be a Cisco Nexus switch? Or something by the Nexus company (IoT stuff)? Do you have something like that in your network that might intend to phone home? However, this port could be used by something else, not related to what I mentioned. Source: http://www.tcp-udp-ports.com/port-4021.htm Again, I really doubt that ipfw is trying to make a connection here; it's probably something else. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 02:00:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFA836B5DA for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 02:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@govital.net) Received: from mallard.govital.net (mallard.govital.net [208.90.68.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCXVD4VDdz4S9b for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 02:00:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@govital.net) Received: from dhcp-108-170-135-7.cable.user.start.ca ([108.170.135.7] helo=[192.168.0.122]) by mallard.govital.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1jyn0v-0004WH-OE for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:00:45 -0400 Subject: Re: ipfw is making contact with 198.61.170.85 port 4021 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> <20200724022247.59475066@gumby.homeunix.com> <5F1A3DC0.10702@gmail.com> From: Admin Message-ID: <76d60709-70d6-5441-e1a8-d73fb819006b@govital.net> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:00:39 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5F1A3DC0.10702@gmail.com> Content-Language: en-US X-Authenticated-Id: admin@govital.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCXVD4VDdz4S9b X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=govital.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of admin@govital.net designates 208.90.68.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=admin@govital.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.962]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.013]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.37)[-0.372]; MIME_BASE64_TEXT(0.10)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[govital.net,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393996, ipnet:208.90.68.0/22, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 02:00:53 -0000 Greetings Ernie, On 23/07/2020 9:47 pm, Ernie Luzar wrote: > RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:11:39 -0400 >> Ernie Luzar wrote: >> >>> A firewall should not be making its own contact with any public ip >>> address. This is a security hole. >>> >>> I have not played with ipfw since before it was rewritten to become >>> ipfw2 so I do not know when this internal "call home"  function was >>> added. pf and ipf are not doing this. I block it to be secure. >>> >>> Can any one provide any info about this? >> >> It might help if you explain what you have actually seen. > > I see log entries in the hosts /var/log/security file for outbound > packets going to the ip address and port number comming from 10.0.10.1 > which is the private ip address of the host. sendmail is turned off > and nothing else is running on the host > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > This seems to be probably from a device in your network. IP address maps to alerts0.envisacor.com Their home page says: > > Solutions For The Security and Home Automation Industry Since 2004 > > > Envisacor is a premiere ODM to the Security and Home Automation > industries. > > > We have designed dozens of products for as many different > companies and have a solid track record for innovation and cost > effectiveness of design. > > > Our expertise extends into all areas of electronics and design > including IP based-products and RF solutions. > Do you have some kind of security or home automation device that's phoning home? -- Chris Demers admin@govital.net https://govital.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 03:28:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D67236DA8E for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:28:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCZRg0THGz4YXT for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=HIsq10g6UrYLMCMofOf4eGwuHyuP8BRbolfggGpq16g=; b=gX1FFWryi5E+ThNYmb6x6/dAWM tK0rbTF2J+cXyXbktltvThzC4cxulzpjYICjXzO7t96e3MYArrkaOKQCbf+hIAj4ssx56mDmTriHH /xBLQcdwFundEdw25A3gHj2MLEZd/q5U7DAaxY1Z8eJSrKPWLqxL3ZabPj7HMhRrL+yo=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jyoO0-000G22-2F for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9amGYk9869ThD9tj" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCZRg0THGz4YXT X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=gX1FFWry; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.42 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.040]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.28)[-0.276]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:28:48 -0000 --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > Not to start a flame war. A purely technical question: what > technological advantages does the modern FreeBSD have over modern Linux? After gaining more experience using Debian systems for several months, I've come across several technological disadvantages of FreeBSD as a server (in no particular order): 1. Debian can run several versions of PHP, PostgreSQL and some other software simultaneously (without manual efforts with jails, chroots etc needed in FreeBSD for the same purpose). Just install the relevant packages, very convenient. 2. FreeBSD instances on AWS do not detect added EBS volumes, a reboot is required. 3. FreeBSD lacks a native docker (what prevents from fixing sysutils/docker-freebsd?). FreeBSD already has a working Linux binary compatibility, why can't we run Linux docker? A working docker could also make problems with different versions of native PHP irrelevant. 4. Zabbix templates for monitoring FreeBSD are inferior to those for Linux. 5. Zabbix agent2 (new generation of Zabbix agent) is not available for FreeBSD. 6. FreeBSD/ARM64 does not enjoy binary upgrades (freebsd-update). True, some of those disadvantages are fixable, but now the impression is that FreeBSD is lagging behind. The only real advantage left could be Root-on-ZFS and BE/bectl, but ironically it does not work in AWS (and with UEFI boot in general) which makes it=20 7. Limited UEFI support. 8. bhyve is still inferior to kvm in many aspects (ever needed to add a virtual disk to a running guest?). --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --9amGYk9869ThD9tj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfGlVoAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY06BMH/1ZWTQ6HCXpM23DhakmP8j4M /UfjDOEGNlFySQ+lB8T6jB+auDWEa+rMnWjTivNLV1m4s/tp062OfJSQOcXK8FKg M6XM0bvm257hojXoC59u3SDQxl490wUySxci0nTAWx5OfD5rO7BeKDixHpBsK2bi bh0yrdp2lKY2IOHb/EhbbIsWDQBUSnPJl3XDfEMHSey2kyRKgTKUgUcyizhpnlU7 hgjeEJKH0OU320/su3H4F3LNgFVt/Yv8x6iXGjJFA/UR6EW/m8Jc28XQ6t8FKTOf S5c7viftoKyWoUnMgV8UMf0GExoWdSTXHxocba1pUnw5Wsn+fGooQk7Yl3+5Gf4= =A9Cu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9amGYk9869ThD9tj-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 03:59:03 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1528436E307 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:59:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@adminart.net) Received: from mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de (mo4-p00-ob.smtp.rzone.de [85.215.255.23]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.smtp.rzone.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCb6Y5pfYz4Zq0 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hw@adminart.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1595563139; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:In-Reply-To:Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=nTF4ynVABOvWO9rIHrJmSmoEFZ206vfJOu9XPdrKT2g=; b=He4Ju875VHt0ULpQQ2zXX2N1Vhd5SNbhA4Yi8De7y17a6FZkdwZPwX/3LosuW5w1vU KF0VPBqFq75CDC93hZgVEs6EIKrZTwK4v2tlOm2n650a2ntvGLfrbdlorsoW+OODpdzx l5oJ+dATZtYODB60hyutMiY6+5ILEMh5zzblQ7xTISe75fxHcJ7mjqu1WTcvpAb2uTbG GIBpy1xeT/vPt2GvFm8+BKyckv5rw6qVlg0/3Bie4KTjC4Kw3TsnD9UQv5xaiPiW4qGK Cqma3wGs4X5fuYFvzKR6vgb9QxrSUHAJtApkS3HGD6h6wgA+HWzR5asad+xKzgc7qU8M A5pw== X-RZG-AUTH: ":JHskdESlcvGJlcww5P8kEdDfB60eDdbwg2z1BLI60U5wCzf/pgzSaLEuAiY/6NaLBm8=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Received: from toy.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 46.10.5 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e08936w6O3wwRCu (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:58:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux From: hw To: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:58:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.3 (3.36.3-1.fc32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCb6Y5pfYz4Zq0 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=adminart.net header.s=strato-dkim-0002 header.b=He4Ju875; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hw@adminart.net has no SPF policy when checking 85.215.255.23) smtp.mailfrom=hw@adminart.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[adminart.net:s=strato-dkim-0002]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.013]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[85.215.255.23:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.010]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[adminart.net]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[adminart.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[85.215.255.23:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.177]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6724, ipnet:85.215.255.0/24, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:59:03 -0000 On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 10:28 +0700, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Victor Sudakov wrote: > > Not to start a flame war. A purely technical question: what > > technological advantages does the modern FreeBSD have over modern > > Linux? > > After gaining more experience using Debian systems for several months, > I've come across several technological disadvantages of FreeBSD as a > server (in no particular order): > > 1. Debian can run several versions of PHP, PostgreSQL and some other > software simultaneously (without manual efforts with jails, chroots > etc needed in FreeBSD for the same purpose). Just install the relevant > packages, very convenient. > > 2. FreeBSD instances on AWS do not detect added EBS volumes, a reboot is > required. > > 3. FreeBSD lacks a native docker (what prevents from fixing > sysutils/docker-freebsd?). FreeBSD already has a working Linux binary > compatibility, why can't we run Linux docker? A working docker could > also make problems with different versions of native PHP irrelevant. > > 4. Zabbix templates for monitoring FreeBSD are inferior to those for > Linux. > > 5. Zabbix agent2 (new generation of Zabbix agent) is not available for > FreeBSD. > > 6. FreeBSD/ARM64 does not enjoy binary upgrades (freebsd-update). > > True, some of those disadvantages are fixable, but now the impression is > that FreeBSD is lagging behind. The only real advantage left could be > Root-on-ZFS and BE/bectl, but ironically it does not work in AWS (and > with UEFI boot in general) which makes it > > 7. Limited UEFI support. > > 8. bhyve is still inferior to kvm in many aspects (ever needed to add a > virtual disk to a running guest?). > You can add that NFS in FreeBSD is a catastrophy. Bascially, you can only export whole file systems with permissions applying to the whole file system, and that practically makes NFS unusable. That means 9. very limited NFS support in FreeBSD Besides this, setting up NFS in FreeBSD is the opposite of user friendly. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 04:35:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CEDB36EF1C for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 04:35:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCbx66hX3z4ccv for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 04:35:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=umCBQLEdbbzT1Ta2dm5LUACQxqUxMMK3DlEtFL//nqQ=; b=GQ+rWTWbVkiaUhCnqIXCSPpTp/ rD9QGSzgm4qUTnBShzpAFSFa8fUPOiLclrfxJAdA700f3SkCfKKcLWBJhRLIGvm1XwBVsB5wYLgyY p++ohmsgnhLe8Nktop1vrwXfL41ZspJa1d/+q5psEOOtEKTFkiWZDrTDPpMDak2xaWJw=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jypR3-000GKi-Kk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:35:53 +0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:35:53 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCbx66hX3z4ccv X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=GQ+rWTWb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.046]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.28)[-0.275]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 04:35:55 -0000 --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hw wrote: > >=20 >=20 > You can add that NFS in FreeBSD is a catastrophy. Bascially, you can only > export whole file systems with permissions applying to the whole file > system, and that practically makes NFS unusable. That means >=20 >=20 > 9. very limited NFS support in FreeBSD >=20 >=20 My experience with NFS is rather limited. I use it to export filesystems r/o with ISO images, music and such, nothing sophisticated that would require granular permissions etc. > Besides this, setting up NFS in FreeBSD is the opposite of user friendly. Maybe ZFS+NFSv4 is better (did not try it myself though)? --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfGmUpAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0YzUIALIy62qfjQ1zGP9GoKSqxx86 6WT15mvaZCX1IMbSDd3wbnR9m3S+koA0d7x6X0sfLq/ovU/4LhdYym+Hx//4DQEf PhljlZyl5T+kzx1tccwWEsdw82sk9PPAdGK/2UXLtqTbFzhubOcB6wSQeIFJJaJf WaknwOyV+8fRwJkk6NZpzHkgo9ytLGKJbIbq7dagosX1lzR75xaewE7TdaKME943 lSd3fCC7IPzNmV75GuAaujAjO3HcZjxDjb0VLs7F6E2J/ltaPH489TVcTICPec5Q fkQJycRRQerMYf07FxIc4jpcWvvFSkeytBaqPy+TyhYBs03DK+QvVMZibL4CaG8= =YVvB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --k+w/mQv8wyuph6w0-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 05:32:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD2A36FE51 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:32:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dalescott@shaw.ca) Received: from smtp-out-no.shaw.ca (smtp-out-no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCdBl6fpLz4fZx for ; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [174.0.43.39, 174.0.43.39] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.8.15_GA_3899 (ZimbraWebClient - GC84 (Linux)/8.8.15_GA_3895) Thread-Topic: Technological advantages over Linux Thread-Index: q7Vp5igCeCCp4LBpoK8J9DU/bq0pLw== X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfAGdjS8tNASuaFHhvFC3kSBiS14OPnskY2cCk8OPWSHFHA8u0Npjs56v8kCRNcosSXbkWCNImG4ay8pVVUMzDyJ3z+UFniBK3AN8jR2mwu12vJ6Hd1bo Z1TTsPByhtvmM3+LDtABnQIM4T2c0G9oMuy7iLSR+vG6iI0/jMsPuZ00ne3eQy8tbeX3y0zvQAL8ccgsAS/CHBrC7A0vIlnFZ0E= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCdBl6fpLz4fZx X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=shaw.ca header.s=s20180605 header.b=EMHfouU2; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=shaw.ca; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dalescott@shaw.ca designates 64.59.134.13 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dalescott@shaw.ca X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.22 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[shaw.ca:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[shaw.ca:s=s20180605]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:64.59.134.0/25]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.024]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.016]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[shaw.ca:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[shaw.ca,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.08)[-1.081]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[64.59.134.13:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:32:49 -0000 The greatest technical advantage is that FreeBSD doesn't get in the way as you accomplish the real work you want to do (assuming the real work isn't polishing your desktop). ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Victor Sudakov" > To: "freebsd-questions" > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:35:53 PM > Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux > hw wrote: >> > >> >> You can add that NFS in FreeBSD is a catastrophy. Bascially, you can only >> export whole file systems with permissions applying to the whole file >> system, and that practically makes NFS unusable. That means >> >> >> 9. very limited NFS support in FreeBSD >> >> > > My experience with NFS is rather limited. I use it to export filesystems r/o > with ISO images, music and such, nothing sophisticated that would > require granular permissions etc. > >> Besides this, setting up NFS in FreeBSD is the opposite of user friendly. > > Maybe ZFS+NFSv4 is better (did not try it myself though)? > > -- > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 05:34:55 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853DA37048B for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:34:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x134.google.com (mail-il1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCdFB5r2mz4fhR for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:34:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x134.google.com with SMTP id a11so6311521ilk.0 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:34:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mXqDaxAmelJzSCcTyrsJtSYAl8ZyLgTEM7RsYr0VDr0=; b=jaBhmvNH5Mb4ikEUDkzBaRvElbc2bUBKYeYG01tkQmOugmNaI/JPRbyeaDqB5W0Ib+ xmN4y6lKDuZs5W8pdnx5rGVgf8i3vA5trSxNqH2Li9vAc4AAuQ/CIW3ogk6lj5VrgHU0 qsualhzdwKS+V7rIUb9PGR0bkJIKrKKkfryHK6A++ODDVQ54IyY7YHeC+JFcp35G5mYE iZGz81kNOj4W+UTSNTmmpcMgvlUQ3NMnWLG5RLCgELNxznMapTy5Dm/E/r1Bfb4lVI+k 0/jLV+xMgQzq6nLS29omycvkZ03onnqWrhJQK6ClL0r5ocAWa2wv9kWPp5wNPYwixyNn onBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mXqDaxAmelJzSCcTyrsJtSYAl8ZyLgTEM7RsYr0VDr0=; b=E6VLt5LnEkbRb0ALX5KWTOJkgMbdZoyeNkyCk7ep6BUs36CUaW4QU8o91u2ZRS2XqV k1QMfZNzeJ0Pw/VYAKNCQCKLJ9DfcB2T/Mdl+qwUzkd0GukkQqiHFhsROK/niUCxQmP5 F/Yi9VkqqGwsCb4diRLzE0W2cPNM/SmqJlsyCHPR0x19b0hH9C9Sw2oDEoc7ShiIbzcK wo3/zu2t+1nI7kpJZEUfawFq6jbDth+AwWRPpfYDW6EyD9ruyZP4sMgDfwIr4O8q5mN8 OdyiZwaOo9WuSmEFpO132tjKt30XYUof0gZ+8y89YJ7fyO4oJgXBfBz+EXoEU1r/S+Zn BqhA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ufdsbl5nt3My8irICASTb0B4SBhR222ClI0xG0ZhwafcqSP+s S1aotXj5OJr9TOo6O0WACn6fmPtw0Yyy1nsR9yE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxXuC0xgul0OBXB+NaB/uPVsv7zjbIqkFakZwnM+n2HOaTHZkNV0+cD/zovtEpKx50rcV6nC+KZuQk1n/89VMY= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d308:: with SMTP id x8mr8259170ila.3.1595568893414; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:34:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> From: Michael Schuster Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:34:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: Dale Scott Cc: Victor Sudakov , freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCdFB5r2mz4fhR X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jaBhmvNH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::134 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.997]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.06)[-1.059]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::134:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.72)[-0.725]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:34:55 -0000 one big advantage (in my book) is ZFS all the way (esp. for root pool!). On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:32 AM Dale Scott wrote: > The greatest technical advantage is that FreeBSD doesn't get in the way as > you accomplish the real work you want to do (assuming the real work isn't > polishing your desktop). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Victor Sudakov" > > To: "freebsd-questions" > > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:35:53 PM > > Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux > > > hw wrote: > >> > > >> > >> You can add that NFS in FreeBSD is a catastrophy. Bascially, you can > only > >> export whole file systems with permissions applying to the whole file > >> system, and that practically makes NFS unusable. That means > >> > >> > >> 9. very limited NFS support in FreeBSD > >> > >> > > > > My experience with NFS is rather limited. I use it to export filesystems > r/o > > with ISO images, music and such, nothing sophisticated that would > > require granular permissions etc. > > > >> Besides this, setting up NFS in FreeBSD is the opposite of user > friendly. > > > > Maybe ZFS+NFSv4 is better (did not try it myself though)? > > > > -- > > Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN > > 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 05:56:12 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C9F370752 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCdjl2JGnz3RTK for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:56:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=UE5wGDJrXcpi59MGOH5yhpaWqrCcbM4rVqjA19ZYA5c=; b=kwS1SEFJzYke08AXh04c4uDtDL YUC8eDt6jdzNh+TWLkNFE5vTxi/FIVa8NJuylN6WlxCOJnViTol7WPH/15KUImy/tWEn+IJ8WCg2E TUc//9Q1Owjtn/HDwTbbQB5ajGEasbJwa7b9kTW7eU3snXbduXVBP3VIYHuFuxgPqH6c=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jyqgi-000GiY-5x; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:56:08 +0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:56:08 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Michael Schuster Cc: Dale Scott , freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200724055608.GA64228@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="T4sUOijqQbZv57TR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCdjl2JGnz3RTK X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=kwS1SEFJ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.07 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.018]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.008]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.946]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:56:12 -0000 --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Schuster wrote: > one big advantage (in my book) is ZFS all the way (esp. for root pool!). Unfortunately this nice advantage is not available under UEFI boot. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfGnf4AAoJEA2k8lmbXsY01H0H/3LgRBMf1/+A0DGqHGVtwc0e 19TKleJmc2Qq4y/iZc+j1CATx0A/zKsxEazzNGJoufQBSSVH0gRky+qN3ipB3wqs yHiVpuUolMqWFEnCLUz8fXXh164kiONjI+2EvqZ4toacMaUMELF8TYvGVSjFvWQb i5GnuwvtxWOM713eitGxt4zAHCPkw5ks5qd7ncafAG5NkjDWuh8rPg3js+jbJqnD WOoFFIc6nJxCJnxGtKHpXM1RRwIvIbUeSGzAbEZWCmqzEDITN4SUCrUmhXyYV/RP TMqbrLp3Ag9NxjxATMSh3kVETi5hCS1fQduJesNhUrMSnDrG0xPU/+fQO4Vj2JU= =U86K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 05:59:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D0383705DF for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:59:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCdnV1sTTz3Rk3 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:59:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=HeVnS41TMY28IxOHtBhdlXQt9ThUM/TOXjbcdlg+WjM=; b=EzCLNMjmEe6pIzBIZzjwW7BV+9 EYk9fi4tn9PsD57SY8ACjDosjETdFg9vwGa6ADe9Qmn8Yn3zePBk7coe18cQiIF+dCQpOTUvYK/IC vKUzsQVGRblJ68/IbHKW8/xAPmnegXCgcC3rOX1OCC/AqUyB7cIGPY2a2S7Fy31oaI0E=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jyqjs-000Gjf-Tq; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:59:24 +0700 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:59:24 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Dale Scott Cc: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCdnV1sTTz3Rk3 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=EzCLNMjm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.024]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.025]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.23)[-1.227]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:59:27 -0000 --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dale Scott wrote: > The greatest technical advantage is that FreeBSD doesn't get in the > way as you accomplish the real work you want to do (assuming the real > work isn't polishing your desktop). Depends how you define "getting in the way." If the real work you want to do is running multiple versions of PHP, for example, then FreeBSD's packaging system does "get in the way." --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfGni8AAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0YAoH/Rh3A129gx5cXXRtrmYuuwrD aGf+NBHxdZ8MFH/I4bmFeInidtps0oN1xxVdvMSB1Kyo/hjOfweJ0K8Pq9z9rSwY v49RI5xfbe2E7vqwGToFWPRhAmnwmhXJtJdviExcb8tCtJa+Yj6gqoYDsj7f0/gC exfykgWO/zznes0+VhYHEUUtchukHO7D0WchwoIgc18Ffw/agZ9U7OeKTlApYa/D oLsPz1wqOt0OBY2wW18yn0GnuNvmoxuUzdngeWtPOtLDqczksvE6nxbtqeAePxVl yEC2DGiAeHDP4g9j7pvibpz1/IXoAR8Ybbq+HJbU7omOxhlNnNlDM4t3Fg/7mpU= =rHHP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JYK4vJDZwFMowpUq-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 05:59:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0497370863 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:59:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCdp40dd5z3RsT for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCdp16qVZzFdpF for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:59:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595570394; bh=ij2SmOGZ38vicduTJKu3LeEF6+K4hpZVyPNWWHtIV2g=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=ilOLcx0YXUOcJLcFxJ7p4wrulC3lEuA4D0XaiJo3Cxv8k/dwTf+2g68OfydnwrrN/ Qy9B7nXuBmP3ykI6kj3NxnNiUr2gLM2Rfuw4qeN5jOmjZatDdmy8Ctv+H94HgR2b5c FQKjcRyCw1jwFVgGHX9qxDZtvd3SfU8TZ7pnFqXE= X-Riseup-User-ID: 6237A2FD5DBC9A286EB3DBC6EC8035DE9A47F7CC2AC9939D5EA50D5AB1B87CF5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BCdp127RHz8tgT for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:59:54 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCdp40dd5z3RsT X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=ilOLcx0Y; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.88 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.023]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.25)[-1.251]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.002]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:59:56 -0000 On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:32:44 -0600 (MDT), Dale Scott wrote: >The greatest technical advantage is that FreeBSD doesn't get in the >way as you accomplish the real work you want to do A single install, of what ever operating system you are using doesn't fulfil this for tasks in different domains. If you have very, very good luck, than multiple installs of just one operating system, with contrary priorities do the job. >(assuming the real work isn't polishing your desktop). On Linux and BSD you won't find a desktop environment at all on my machines, just a plain window manager. However, I've got a PC with FreeBSD and Linux available, an iPad with iOS and another iPad with iPadOS and I can't get all my work done with four operating systems and multiple installs, setups. Not to forget that I've got several Windows VMs and I'm running several wine prefixes, but they anyway don't complete this to get all I need to get done. For example, sometimes I'm still drawing on paper, since even something that simple as a real brush, good paper and watercolour isn't perfectly emulated. As long as computers are used for something non-mathematically, or not for data mining and analysis of data, the best tools are still forging hammers, scissors, brushes, analog circuits etc., the digital domain is much overrated. An advantage is that you can get a recording studio on less than 1 m=C2=B2 for less of the costs of a "real" recording studio, but only if you lower your sights and it's more or less the same for all domains. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 06:04:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2434F370E0F for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:04:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCdtv2bv7z3SCn for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 06O63udh003075 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:03:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: ipfw is making contact with 198.61.170.85 port 4021 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <5F1A354B.7030508@gmail.com> <20200724022247.59475066@gumby.homeunix.com> <5F1A3DC0.10702@gmail.com> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:03:56 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5F1A3DC0.10702@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCdtv2bv7z3SCn X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.955]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.16)[-0.155]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.963]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:04:09 -0000 On 2020-07-24 03:47, Ernie Luzar wrote: > I see log entries in the hosts /var/log/security file for outbound > packets going to the ip address and port number comming from 10.0.10.1 > which is the private ip address of the host. What about NAT? Are you using it? How is it configured? bye av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 08:50:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76AC376593 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from relay3.cretaforce.gr (relay3.cretaforce.gr [195.201.253.216]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCjb529Nxz4FCW for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:50:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@cretaforce.gr) Received: from server1.cretaforce.gr (server1.cretaforce.gr [138.201.248.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.cretaforce.gr", Issuer "RapidSSL RSA CA 2018" (verified OK)) by smtp1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD8301FA00 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:50:38 +0300 (EEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cretaforce.gr; s=cretaforce; t=1595580638; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=NKy8w9IAGB+wZ/hrzWJbnZpR5vJZ/nuD5iTaphWrQE8=; b=cQdzbkxnAOL93SqZ0owPRhCHK0SKYQtSo4m28JBDb9IQ4sRHvkD3J3oJTNS2YGtfxBBZsY nSeFCLp2jcaE+UbjUG5BlxRcuydqqo+xMijJlKrR4pLOKSvcLXDdCIcZZhfjnWqcytyJJn r1SWe7EJs7uEwoty39cM820J3lYspJM= Received: from macbook-air.fritz.box (ppp-94-64-150-161.home.otenet.gr [94.64.150.161]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: chris@cretaforce.gr) by server1.cretaforce.gr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 969252734A for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:50:38 +0300 (EEST) From: Christos Chatzaras Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:50:37 +0300 References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> To: freebsd-questions In-Reply-To: <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCjb529Nxz4FCW X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cretaforce.gr header.s=cretaforce header.b=cQdzbkxn; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chris@cretaforce.gr designates 195.201.253.216 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=chris@cretaforce.gr X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.48 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cretaforce.gr:s=cretaforce]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.64.150.161:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cretaforce.gr]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[cretaforce.gr:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.002]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cretaforce.gr:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.39)[-0.394]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:195.201.253.216]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.987]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:195.201.0.0/16, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[195.201.253.216:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:50:43 -0000 > Depends how you define "getting in the way." If the real work you want > to do is running multiple versions of PHP, for example, then FreeBSD's > packaging system does "get in the way." I use jails for multiple PHP versions and I prefer it this way because = it's a neat method and keeps my main system "clean" from EOLed PHP = versions.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 09:24:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 931D7376666 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:24:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCkL15xYPz4Hgk for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:24:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.135] (helo=smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jytwF-0008UP-MU for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:24:23 +0200 Received: from 84-25-247-31.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl ([84.25.247.31] helo=smtp.boosten.org) by smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jytwF-0004NM-IT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:24:23 +0200 Received: from [192.168.13.34] (iphone-peter.boosten.org [192.168.13.34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.boosten.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 26F71C4CC for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Peter Boosten Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:24:21 +0200 Message-Id: <7B44C0A4-FCB5-4703-837B-AF2D28667306@boosten.org> References: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (17G68) X-SourceIP: 84.25.247.31 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Qdn9QvTv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JWBJsaPp29SgP5DpYRBqZw==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=_RQrkK6FrEwA:10 a=tnKFeSfi1KT7oGDNdOEA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCkL15xYPz4Hgk X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.28 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[boosten.org:s=myselector]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.25.247.31:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.992]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.011]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.54.32.0/19]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[boosten.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[boosten.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.674]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33915, ipnet:212.54.32.0/20, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[212.54.42.164:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[212.54.42.164:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:24:26 -0000 I love FreeBSD a lot, but the pkg system could be more intelligent, for inst= ance I have a gitlab server: in linux, the binaries are updated and all nece= ssary scripts are run to update the database as well.=20 pkg stops after the binary upgrade and presents a webpage with all sort of m= anual stuff. This notice is lost if you upgrade a lot of packages Peter= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 09:28:09 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8975D377702 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:28:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCkQJ3zqNz4Hbp for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 06O9S2to030005 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:28:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:28:02 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCkQJ3zqNz4Hbp X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=netfence.it; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ml@netfence.it designates 2.44.121.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ml@netfence.it X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.81 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:2.44.121.52]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.95)[-0.955]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.09)[-0.091]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[netfence.it,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.962]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:28:09 -0000 On 2020-07-24 10:50, Christos Chatzaras wrote: > I use jails for multiple PHP versions and I prefer it this way because it's a neat method and keeps my main system "clean" from EOLed PHP versions. I always install PHP only in jails, as it keeps my system "clean" of something for which there's always a security hole being announced in a few days :) And even if I trusted PHP, I would not trust PHP applications. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 10:06:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EA9360133 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:06:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com (mail-il1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BClG90Wn4z4KqW; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:06:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id t18so6777899ilh.2; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:06:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Zs8P3hZ4Pl8y4jmnYwuvcbKtjTcStfjlFedCY2LixeA=; b=P2SQpXkD0+9P9N8jmfQozpdJM/aM4LpLRfEtVQ/L0yKUjRL+0UeLTmvFhdYzUqCn5S pTv/YtF7frbJd7mXZXcpga+8fK/907DVxTyhI5v/er+lV2YaxgDAiHAqF4647cuWOt/s 7Tgje7TmDfgHhmy6+GEKg4yn2hvbZiK7KUFiP3hCwtUBrQtrq+7DcgUSuNSpnWHurxTO PiTO/u3KuSkQA5CMaJcWM2PxBmnWg4PGOw1InKFYrR8Uu485ZppfoKsu0hCYzF5wSHyb huyYhQpBacfvYfQ3gnuNtZ4kzs/BtiImaKC6eXK1+PzNzkdiWdB8ZHmWFm9lULdnrRq9 eKIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Zs8P3hZ4Pl8y4jmnYwuvcbKtjTcStfjlFedCY2LixeA=; b=i0TRsesIYbsFplNZDgj20rb8n21tgIvHzc056+lR15JCAff0KUeK4qHSX+ttS8LNl5 +ofL2mInCipWALQ1O2BYFAm/6/7+cpSc9CXmzlBUVRoxGNMsqubWVv4YBGt0/POTtw5y 1AK3j1u7LbNCXhcSUy2CjyKIhZLT/oDEuBJBWRAGQwo/JUx5kiP3fMixKy5QYRGRphwD YK78gW28UZxBqepfH7ppZZYppbJ81q0KbY6qv4GviHG3oxzrpfnyYp9hdCTuaboafOwf VlOelqZ591GQvqzHz0FvvhLxASlq6QGA1riIbWEhaGHjJdX/vMXkGYcZpmxnz9dIrG/0 fzOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KXdRud0ALgOw6Wd90xsGarIhSskioFqOqJ69t5KHCflxXWnbw cVitcw7/4jOED/90wYMxzEGQJYI74eMPoweAqkYuTz4V X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwZwvyRtpkmXLAxq6MvdBVPsUcGtdB7gDF5gqmNRm6nUtPKKsYJ9C20KDGeT5Q7FthewhxvmPzF+eQnA1hEoN4= X-Received: by 2002:a92:1814:: with SMTP id 20mr9852675ily.81.1595585167626; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:06:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4acde791-2974-4f83-cf18-2a05918d483b@FreeBSD.org> <537545f7-1186-ca69-0c12-bf8a4b0f52ad@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:05:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland on FreeBSD To: Lonnie Cumberland Cc: Ashish SHUKLA , FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BClG90Wn4z4KqW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=P2SQpXkD; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.78 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.996]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.06)[-1.061]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.27)[0.274]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:06:10 -0000 On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:02 PM Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > [backend/backend.c:304] Failed to open any DRM device > > I do have a GPU on this system, not a good one, but still do have one: > > GK107 GeForce GT 740 > nVidia cards don't work with the built in drm port you will need to use x11/nvidia-driver only problem in your use case is it drags in a good amount of xorg with it (not just wayland)... it does support wayland contrary to some misinformation out there though (I am using a GT 710 with it just fine... you might need to use driver version 390 not the latest though. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 10:08:04 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E877836058C for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:08:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd34.google.com (mail-io1-xd34.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BClJN1pcmz4L3C for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:08:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd34.google.com with SMTP id v6so9269197iob.4 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:08:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=6N1v7WxJgHcJuOru3wNvJv+mPXDgC2gVaHFvNK6GIFQ=; b=VDGhZD1LeKZAwtrB6ZJ5SJonsiUUORP1AFH88UxWpQ/lDJhlQe7lYZCSshg6yjsxXd hy6HHv9BHRn/lw7B0ica0/OHD8pT9f9eYqWD6FhlPsjKjX8IG0hYm4PpzOmTJwcw3Z/K oFnqVbp2qAB/ZBMORRK49LQVLZM8pWv7blv6Lwki7LM/PNzsWLWfmHaoTS855e1g6eap CyKfv0lSiU4bnFWmQVtbwmQSn0PgaDhbbUzxk0nvJnW0eo++DS9jGIgeAJY8+e4xlerR vqlSetczxOypjuSIYsxJs6tfYN2lBULbhxBsnPxXL9lO4tO6VWu9BsA2dVMdnCpKhyWb Mpqg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=6N1v7WxJgHcJuOru3wNvJv+mPXDgC2gVaHFvNK6GIFQ=; b=ZmK7ZG/rm21IDOfam3kz4F4rG72xvU1nOxzAJuuLtWsvtCYCw1rgfyyFlz1cujwBZ3 J1ebXg814GUA9kLMoRK2mpCGIWMptUq1KObT9B4YbdYtsMs1rfC6zfR4fS8tjnE6rX7i Etvh4WWoXDq756NGC0yZdPlkH7FEek4BGv4RLY6jT1CpJSJ9R+vEKVd8EqfbdJkwldQc qqqh4xYcQp05X3xmutq2nyjVvCgx/bICr8h6JzjL7bnvZUwS3JyoSsqMRcoaQQHWLaZg M3gfU0n6TCNwN4durHYOHmxrqBki6Wzc9VV1o7qKm20lmAQlDUCXUvOXYLnox3cv4FJe 4SbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533WyREVDZIARfllkmDCmi11pwxkw1GEosWr9wmHmwkDenHUs0pG PxbxU0ejgT2DMT9IcNMQciQH7BbF7CQr5wRMUNc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz9xruE3PQCpOVYhrgkW0Yi17R5Nys3NfYHhQV6f42CiTJO0MdK1iR3DJQ+5YniLEz/LHnTmVxTyy8gsxfueYg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:1696:: with SMTP id f22mr9810515jat.60.1595585283061; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 03:08:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055608.GA64228@admin.sibptus.ru> In-Reply-To: <20200724055608.GA64228@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: Victor Sudakov Cc: Michael Schuster , Dale Scott , freebsd-questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BClJN1pcmz4L3C X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=VDGhZD1L; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.93 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.003]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.07)[-1.071]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.15)[0.147]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d34:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,shaw.ca,freebsd.org] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:08:05 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:56 AM Victor Sudakov wrote: > Michael Schuster wrote: > > one big advantage (in my book) is ZFS all the way (esp. for root pool!). > > Unfortunately this nice advantage is not available under UEFI boot. > Works for me just fine on a MSI B450 motherboard (worked on the first try with default BIOS settings) -- Aryeh M. 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Bascially, you can only > export whole file systems with permissions applying to the whole file > system, and that practically makes NFS unusable. That means > Then please tell me server that it is not working according to your incorrect pre-conceived notions that you got from god knows where (almost certainly not actually trying them): aryeh@server% df -k Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on zroot/ROOT/default 746429772 8341664 738088108 1% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev zroot/var/mail 738088368 260 738088108 0% /var/mail zroot 738088196 88 738088108 0% /zroot zroot/var/crash 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/crash zroot/usr/home 743229452 5141344 738088108 1% /usr/home zroot/var/audit 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/audit zroot/var/tmp 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/tmp zroot/var/log 738089452 1344 738088108 0% /var/log zroot/tmp 738095972 7864 738088108 0% /tmp zroot/usr/src 739510796 1422688 738088108 0% /usr/src zroot/usr/ports 740825596 2737488 738088108 0% /usr/ports aryeh@server% cat /etc/exports /usr/local/com -maproot=root -network 192.168.11/24 /usr/home -maproot=root -network 192.168.11/24 aryeh@server% logout Connection to server.lan.fnwe.net closed. Desktop@neomarx% df -k Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ada1p2 964663364 689635324 197854972 78% / devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev server:/usr/home 743229392 5141336 738088056 1% /usr/home server:/usr/local/com 746429720 8341664 738088056 1% /usr/local/com -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 10:56:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798E43611CF for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCmN82Z8Mz4N2f; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:56:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Received: from chateau.d.if (unknown [182.69.51.229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ashish/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47CCE23D52; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:56:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ashish@FreeBSD.org) Subject: Re: Setting up Wayland on FreeBSD To: Aryeh Friedman References: <4acde791-2974-4f83-cf18-2a05918d483b@FreeBSD.org> <537545f7-1186-ca69-0c12-bf8a4b0f52ad@FreeBSD.org> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Ashish SHUKLA Organization: The FreeBSD Project Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:26:10 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LnbMSgljwGTQ1VNbUvhyUPbV5wzXbu237" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:56:24 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --LnbMSgljwGTQ1VNbUvhyUPbV5wzXbu237 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="vCQmXXbznMHrpNbMl1pqtoleKkrfxoNcJ" --vCQmXXbznMHrpNbMl1pqtoleKkrfxoNcJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/24/20 3:35 PM, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:02 PM Lonnie Cumberland > wrote: >=20 > [backend/backend.c:304] Failed to open any DRM device >=20 > I do have a GPU on this system, not a good one, but still do have o= ne: >=20 > GK107 GeForce GT 740 >=20 >=20 > nVidia cards don't work with the built in drm port you will need to use= > x11/nvidia-driver only problem in your use case is it drags in a good > amount of xorg with it (not just wayland)... it does support wayland > contrary to some misinformation out there though (I am using a GT 710 > with it just fine... you might need to use driver version 390 not the > latest though. That's news to me. Which compositor are you using though, if you don't mind me asking ? 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 24/07/2020 11:17, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:59 PM hw wrote: >=20 >> >> You can add that NFS in FreeBSD is a catastrophy. Bascially, you can = only >> export whole file systems with permissions applying to the whole file >> system, and that practically makes NFS unusable. That means >> >=20 > Then please tell me server that it is not working according to your > incorrect pre-conceived notions that you got from god knows where (almo= st > certainly not actually trying them): >=20 > aryeh@server% df -k > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > zroot/ROOT/default 746429772 8341664 738088108 1% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > zroot/var/mail 738088368 260 738088108 0% /var/mail > zroot 738088196 88 738088108 0% /zroot > zroot/var/crash 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/crash > zroot/usr/home 743229452 5141344 738088108 1% /usr/home > zroot/var/audit 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/audit > zroot/var/tmp 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/tmp > zroot/var/log 738089452 1344 738088108 0% /var/log > zroot/tmp 738095972 7864 738088108 0% /tmp > zroot/usr/src 739510796 1422688 738088108 0% /usr/src > zroot/usr/ports 740825596 2737488 738088108 0% /usr/ports > aryeh@server% cat /etc/exports > /usr/local/com -maproot=3Droot -network 192.168.11/24 > /usr/home -maproot=3Droot -network 192.168.11/24 > aryeh@server% logout > Connection to server.lan.fnwe.net closed. > Desktop@neomarx% df -k > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted= on > /dev/ada1p2 964663364 689635324 197854972 78% / > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > server:/usr/home 743229392 5141336 738088056 1% /usr/ho= me > server:/usr/local/com 746429720 8341664 738088056 1% > /usr/local/com >=20 While it is certainly possible to NFS export and mount subdirectories of a partition or ZFS, it is also something where there have been a number of exploits allowing a client machine to break out of the sub-tree allocated to it and see the contents of the rest of the partition. I don't think that is a current vulnerability in FreeBSD, but best practice IMHO is to put your exported directory trees into a different partition or partitions (ZFSes in this case) than the root of your host system -- particularly not in the same ZFS as /etc. Cheers, Matthew --OMmndxJtU6WZI4jC18UKGfdnWAc4GlfIw-- --EkJ1yU6Su6k5YlwaNsgPNNIKS36NlZgP7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQKTBAEBCgB9FiEEGfFU7L8RLlBUTj8wAFE/EOCp5OcFAl8avq9fFIAAAAAALgAo aXNzdWVyLWZwckBub3RhdGlvbnMub3BlbnBncC5maWZ0aGhvcnNlbWFuLm5ldDE5 RjE1NEVDQkYxMTJFNTA1NDRFM0YzMDAwNTEzRjEwRTBBOUU0RTcACgkQAFE/EOCp 5Of1Mg//TCa1+ixdQpvrg8yUzSJG+e6IgTMfmOp/qNVMvLsa8zu4WbpoRBvfNiVw oiI7WvZfwJr3HerBBdVON+sdLVl30lvfz9RUCwCfleEQ+DIR4X7ijBnMWp/zpnx+ WPJy4MZiArH2mN2jOrKUyzo4IDxfDQvj2lsHdAzQulVlvjxlD7a09keWTlM0Lvol WVEzPAAo18VLVj/NHy4/LXWPRhIl4G8/MGmbM0PhQcCrk3fF5xPSXxhcSsfOJS5P +OUs25dTR+kKN1BYIGysvaePCML68+Q6LcTeCh4dAdv6Wpa86WpGaQj6nzV2Iyic 4tfPcjCAcnXN8YMcXgAvnoM7xNHLVfsWRz7VxSt2cto2FJz9NdsL0jho+X9yS5nd nJnmtKaBtt3WpMAGanZ8E8L3xS2yKuqrO0YK9Tsq8LV3H+AQTq2Br3W9kgvUsqHM rksk3DJBhbAzLXPEWmokZhIJQDCYX7RvAowj7S9rF1B5hKioxKX2k9xriYgMCvKa JXqROy+xarNs6gL5UtM6ti+pvTVHQjN6d7FcnzasIY17w3eTXh+uP9RjhmwBA7ZE Kkz8gMRm+4DGgJDADTfHfeIRjssZteLF3EXZd9s3KTFzqPicWPF9+4pjfYbpJP8V xyUdY6lOdq95za+VkUYZVaifM1if28n1mwuctZBEfXIl0FKeYMk= =7msV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EkJ1yU6Su6k5YlwaNsgPNNIKS36NlZgP7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 11:06:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BE33616B8 for ; 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Which compositor are you using though, if you don't > mind me asking ? > I am still using X, because I have seen no compeling reason to switch and from everything I have seen and heard wayland is still in active development (i.e. not stable/mature) on neither Linux or FreeBSD, but there are a number of mentions of it in the port message and the nVidia forums with very few of the suggestions not working on wayland (without having to use xwayland). > > Thanks! > -- > Ashish SHUKLA | GPG: F682 CDCC 39DC 0FEA E116 20B6 C746 CFA9 E74F A4B0 > > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 11:10:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E315F361CA4 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCmhN5D2Gz4P4x; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:10:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id p205so9392682iod.8; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 04:10:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=wWqptyWD+1J3Y7OwDvHDEAXQBNE2yehZEQrk01a6Of8=; b=ksX+wFgCtaXQ2tbZZ0ywiJFEMVrxOF9mM6LAJALW+ES5VflEOEhoBYaD3QeyCVlb6f j42SJyERkPFEoKVR3GQolbkwN5Smtha2rDhM03SkmIF+TNgJs4kxTYghATFpgPNBNkGj 9Wta0/ttzntQQx4EEakUX0/V0AMLrZi4Nv1lDkFYMJg+icwfR9wzQ76C7ZnKT2xxo9G6 Ei+5u4oUejgxyC8ZqFa9sksfvYFCvTS8A/K952dAc2r0A8fIkUplAYgVRtiWyk8Rsgx0 eYfjBmrX5txJL76rluxfV8AcEiFKuSlxlR00m/iPsIWlEjMhcFrcVWXfG751jLNuO7Nq 3P2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=wWqptyWD+1J3Y7OwDvHDEAXQBNE2yehZEQrk01a6Of8=; b=N1y0NkU3tFCwI/fAV8WT/NPqmOLGp3a423RPcgSWiCqci7kUpTFZpdH8BZcIjO8sj8 x0OVYf/DP2BsEobDXEtDVhbqXtf20L4HwvAGsfb1SIjUiyXBlRJlfzm7tE6Sm1IV7W1p lg3woPUeyxSGWtMezZJsQ/u+OF889oAhDPELDLpR4feSqFsK4lz2B0/b9iaHWORkbhEl ekPMwVsGVrNpjkGadEjNOHuQ7nNZ+vmo6Aq1ScXCHeG9Da7DLWEZ5TtDr6s0OI2X+Q0F NKf6K+ThgkkJgVobtMsvlwS1jY8Hb6YZAY54ghFrLusIR9acYF0xJ4L9q3rH6uNWr7Cc 0BSg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5309TTZsQOiqyu3KCtHwnkH8Da2CvhlpsHq8ma1Qfui4ruNnUE5D 8cya0a3xctMT52qq8JYvmwshnmBvVij9A5FS34rcMG2J X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxX5c3aoURlR7DPiprAUIKg4M9dJ6M3UsDDsFbY1G1gBCXe82l4IxTN1ErGjTulgTtYb0WK6wJ6ho069/XY8FM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:220f:: with SMTP id n15mr9910999ion.103.1595589027643; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 04:10:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:10:16 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: Matthew Seaman Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCmhN5D2Gz4P4x X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:10:29 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:58 AM Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 24/07/2020 11:17, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 11:59 PM hw wrote: > > > >> > >> You can add that NFS in FreeBSD is a catastrophy. Bascially, you can > only > >> export whole file systems with permissions applying to the whole file > >> system, and that practically makes NFS unusable. That means > >> > > > > Then please tell me server that it is not working according to your > > incorrect pre-conceived notions that you got from god knows where (almost > > certainly not actually trying them): > > > > aryeh@server% df -k > > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > > zroot/ROOT/default 746429772 8341664 738088108 1% / > > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > > zroot/var/mail 738088368 260 738088108 0% /var/mail > > zroot 738088196 88 738088108 0% /zroot > > zroot/var/crash 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/crash > > zroot/usr/home 743229452 5141344 738088108 1% /usr/home > > zroot/var/audit 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/audit > > zroot/var/tmp 738088196 88 738088108 0% /var/tmp > > zroot/var/log 738089452 1344 738088108 0% /var/log > > zroot/tmp 738095972 7864 738088108 0% /tmp > > zroot/usr/src 739510796 1422688 738088108 0% /usr/src > > zroot/usr/ports 740825596 2737488 738088108 0% /usr/ports > > aryeh@server% cat /etc/exports > > /usr/local/com -maproot=root -network 192.168.11/24 > > /usr/home -maproot=root -network 192.168.11/24 > > aryeh@server% logout > > Connection to server.lan.fnwe.net closed. > > Desktop@neomarx% df -k > > Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted > on > > /dev/ada1p2 964663364 689635324 197854972 78% / > > devfs 1 1 0 100% /dev > > server:/usr/home 743229392 5141336 738088056 1% /usr/home > > server:/usr/local/com 746429720 8341664 738088056 1% > > /usr/local/com > > > > While it is certainly possible to NFS export and mount subdirectories of > a partition or ZFS, it is also something where there have been a number > of exploits allowing a client machine to break out of the sub-tree > allocated to it and see the contents of the rest of the partition. > > I don't think that is a current vulnerability in FreeBSD, but best > practice IMHO is to put your exported directory trees into a different > partition or partitions (ZFSes in this case) than the root of your host > system -- particularly not in the same ZFS as /etc. > On an isolated (double NAT'ed and firewalled) LAN that only trusted users use (my significant other is also a programmer and thus I trust them completely) it shouldn't matter all that much (besides for the truly paranoid). Also devel/aegis requires /usr/local/com to be on the available universally to any NFS clients that use aegis (and despite being the maintainer I have not found a "easy" way to allow this to be configurable) and it has to be in the same logical file system as the aegis executables (/usr/local/bin). -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 11:21:33 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D52A3361C6D for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:21:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200056f420a.47388efaafcdb930934f7ff33a637a02@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCmx84YM7z4Pw4 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:21:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200056f420a.47388efaafcdb930934f7ff33a637a02@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595589693; x=1598181693; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=L6heINbbpyjReCSju+VF+2CTgA6HZkCTEJXCOWkafrs=; b=edS2gvFktOI8lIyqJRjaMwckSdkcazwjqPvFxFe0fCie7HHnkZDyvOImVfU231F3c+04EhKdgdDILDJdeerec6DAnwdtqcvqbKOFzUhKV5Cbo6EShk/yNzTWCUG5th2pIKOot7AovOnTYz6P6Af98uKYxXb5F+4pgzFr+7C1SUE= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDU2ZjQyMGEuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:21:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:21:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jyvlX-000M3r-N6; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:21:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:21:27 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200724122127.08ea76b6881fd483dc212287@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCmx84YM7z4Pw4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=edS2gvFk; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c200056f420a.47388efaafcdb930934f7ff33a637a02@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c200056f420a.47388efaafcdb930934f7ff33a637a02@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.23 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.011]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.031]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.49)[-0.485]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200056f420a.47388efaafcdb930934f7ff33a637a02@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org, 4250.82.1d4c200056f420a.47388efaafcdb930934f7ff33a637a02@email-od.com] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:21:33 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > Victor Sudakov wrote: > 1. Debian can run several versions of PHP, PostgreSQL and some other > software simultaneously (without manual efforts with jails, chroots Hmmm ... > 3. FreeBSD lacks a native docker (what prevents from fixing Isn't the whole point of docker to package applications in containers so that (among other simplifications) there was no need to support multiple versions of services in the same environment. One service, one container works just as well in jails as in docker, granted it's not as easy as writing a yaml file and watching a poorly understood swarm of thousands of containers spring to life and provide a load-balanced service, but it isn't hard especially with iocage templates. Personally I always run services in single service jails and have done for a lot longer than docker has existed. From what I can see docker offers very little advantage if what you need is one-off servers and you want complete control over what's on them and what they do. It offers huge advantages if you want to administer large load-balanced swarms of standardised components. > True, some of those disadvantages are fixable, but now the impression is > that FreeBSD is lagging behind. The only real advantage left could be > Root-on-ZFS and BE/bectl, but ironically it does not work in AWS (and > with UEFI boot in general) which makes it I have systems which have been steadily upgraded from 8. to 12.1 with only a single (easily corrected) upgrade glitch (the drm_kmod issue) and not a single byte of data lost. Standard advice in Linux world regarding major version upgrades seems to be "Don't do it and if you do expect breakage". That is a *major* technological advantage. Regardless what is with the idea that one OS must be "better" than another - a Stilson is not better than a ring spanner, they are simply suited to different (but similar) tasks. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 12:38:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF174364682 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCpfM3Lddz4T2k for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:38:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jywyK-0006U3-Qf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:38:44 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 06:38:44 -0600 From: The Doctor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Slowing network speed Message-ID: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCpfM3Lddz4T2k X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.69 / 15.00]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.896]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.70)[-0.702]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.29)[-0.294]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:38:52 -0000 Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network speed. -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath. -Solon From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 12:48:52 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA1F364561 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:48:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-f47.google.com (mail-lf1-f47.google.com [209.85.167.47]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCpsv2hBdz4TfR for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:48:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robbelics@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-f47.google.com with SMTP id l19so2348695lfh.1 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:48:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=kPc/YsuhYpdeNJJB2nJ5MXpXGsKbOeBso6QooNcWm48=; b=h5v9XzPedq3PEVNxaYW/FebelSODOCEgLhiQp9yiQ6wMFCort2icJx+u+7h9hR90R7 3QDfaY9NYa4st4UrfxotmDtF9d/3FnwoIJQ3DRDweZtboPMNgtQNt+fgyN/cb/P/Llz3 5aYyGlJii9xBUUj/Wbh6DYcH8lPOX7d08gGexwRBlTjA2IoHrS/RGmMJbMcwPRblP3y+ lpHYw1k2oaXnRTsO9Ps5X8CoHX/MrerTuhTu68zffOgpjBIxn+ZnkQFk9lVgIIskWgrl obmrJ3UcW3pGXP4wKW7FICjpJdP9iY98LSGPLpCzzamTH5wjcUXTsp6MYDadZX4MVbD7 viPg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533TVPKYp/uB3oJHs9nwBGYOmRERjjrkM8bXecWKDXpOKS6rRnu4 CKskV5V3Rr55j9UaNK/I33woyLt/J9Laeo0dNNwAg9A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyxkawD0FbPK7EU8/6FoXXrCZxjzdWIE82ZUj/89sjyqAULPYGkFzcJIbe44lY/Zb2JQHkuA8yTg/fkvB7jFTU= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:57c6:: with SMTP id k6mr5064508lfo.179.1595594929357; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:48:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rob Belics Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:48:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCpsv2hBdz4TfR X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=belics.com (policy=none); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of robbelics@gmail.com designates 209.85.167.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=robbelics@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.61 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FAKE_REPLY(1.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[belics.com : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.33)[0.328]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.05)[-0.047]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.22)[0.224]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.167.47:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rob@belics.com,robbelics@gmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.167.47:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rob@belics.com,robbelics@gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:48:52 -0000 1) I'm pretty sure you can but it's not automatic. Is it automatic on Debian? 2) Isn't that an AWS setup problem and not a FreeBSD one? 3) Linux doesn't run jails. That's a technical disadvantage of Linux and why I won't run it. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 13:22:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236EB3652FE for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:22:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCqcT2XgBz4WTG for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:22:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.140.59]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC4104E674 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:22:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> <7B44C0A4-FCB5-4703-837B-AF2D28667306@boosten.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <52174f02-7f87-bde3-3410-9f2d7c5efb2b@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:22:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7B44C0A4-FCB5-4703-837B-AF2D28667306@boosten.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCqcT2XgBz4WTG X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.140.59:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.306]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.01)[-0.012]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.68)[0.682]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:22:18 -0000 On 7/24/20 4:24 AM, Peter Boosten via freebsd-questions wrote: > I love FreeBSD a lot, but the pkg system could be more intelligent, for instance I have a gitlab server: in linux, the binaries are updated and all necessary scripts are run to update the database as well. > > pkg stops after the binary upgrade and presents a webpage with all sort of manual stuff. This notice is lost if you upgrade a lot of packages > I do love when things are done on their own without me doing them, like things you complain FreeBSD pkg doesn't. But one has to come to realize that for that getting done without you all the way there is [only one I know] solution: just hire good sysadmin ;-) Valeri > Peter > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 13:27:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B473657EE for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCqkh3xpqz4Wgy for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.140.59]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F28704E662 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:27:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <25b4ef9e-81a2-09e8-8dd3-f2e4733c4b5c@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:27:38 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCqkh3xpqz4Wgy X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.08 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.140.59:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.31)[0.305]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.01)[-0.009]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.68)[0.680]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:27:41 -0000 On 7/24/20 4:28 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > On 2020-07-24 10:50, Christos Chatzaras wrote: > >> I use jails for multiple PHP versions and I prefer it this way because >> it's a neat method and keeps my main system "clean" from EOLed PHP >> versions. > > I always install PHP only in jails, as it keeps my system "clean" of > something for which there's always a security hole being announced in a > few days :) > I fully agree with you. The whole flame war of this thread is between "I want my system just work and have everything without effort" and "I want my system really secure". Some of us split from Linux to FreeBSD (servers at least) in pursuit of security, others may be splitting from FreeBSD to Linux with their goals. And the only reason this flame war starts on FreeBSD mail list is: Linux mail lists will kick you out pretty quickly ;-) Valeri > And even if I trusted PHP, I would not trust PHP applications. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 13:40:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245B83656C7 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:40:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [66.163.191.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCr126T5Gz4X3Q for ; 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FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com,pr0f3ss0r1492@yahoo.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:40:08 -0000 Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am I a traitor? Am I an infidel? -- Ottavio Caruso From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 13:43:08 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4923E3662A8 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:43:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gromit.dlib.vt.edu", Issuer "Chumby Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCr4W3bYRz4XL6 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:43:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from mather.gromit23.net (c-98-244-101-97.hsd1.va.comcast.net [98.244.101.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3B40E1B; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:43:00 -0400 Cc: Victor Sudakov Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9135C5C9-B955-4082-8EE9-996B14A68C3C@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> References: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCr4W3bYRz4XL6 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=vt.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.173.49.70) smtp.mailfrom=paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.14 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.38)[-0.376]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.82)[-0.816]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[98.244.101.97:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.45)[-0.449]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1312, ipnet:128.173.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[vt.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:43:08 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700, Victor Sudakov = wrote: > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700 > From: Victor Sudakov > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux > Message-ID: <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >=20 > Victor Sudakov wrote: >>=20 >> Not to start a flame war. A purely technical question: what >> technological advantages does the modern FreeBSD have over modern = Linux? >=20 > After gaining more experience using Debian systems for several months, > I've come across several technological disadvantages of FreeBSD as a > server (in no particular order): > 3. FreeBSD lacks a native docker (what prevents from fixing > sysutils/docker-freebsd?). FreeBSD already has a working Linux binary > compatibility, why can't we run Linux docker? A working docker could > also make problems with different versions of native PHP irrelevant. I also agree that this is a big disadvantage. Whenever I make my = donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, and they ask in the donation form = for comments on what you want them to work/focus on in the future, I = always put a plug in for a native bhyve driver for docker-machine. This = would go some way to putting it on a par with Docker under macOS, which = uses HyperKit to interface with the built-in hypervisor under macOS = (which is based on bhyve). MacOS is considered a "first class citizen" = under the Docker ecosystem, or at least has great support via Docker = Desktop. Last I looked, FreeBSD only supported VirtualBox with = docker-machine. It would be great to have native bhyve support. FreeBSD has great tools, but sometimes the tooling/integration lags = behind. :-( Cheers, Paul.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 13:52:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F8A3667DB for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:52:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from mail.punkt.de (mail.punkt.de [217.29.41.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCrHK2wRnz4Xnl for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:52:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from [217.29.46.66] (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.punkt.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3366B250DC for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:52:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Slowing network speed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> From: Lars Liedtke Autocrypt: addr=liedtke@punkt.de; 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NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.988]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:52:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --DQTMd5VCxxAJGKclatsid1FWWs6LIaeTX Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="CaysLwfyjoDOmGgA7pGyLg0Rpt3aAoUzr" --CaysLwfyjoDOmGgA7pGyLg0Rpt3aAoUzr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: de-DE Hello, The first things coming to my mind are ping, traceroute and iperf Lars Am 24.07.20 um 14:38 schrieb The Doctor via freebsd-questions: > Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network speed. --=20 --- punkt.de GmbH Lars Liedtke =2Einfrastructure Kaiserallee 13a=09 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. +49 721 9109 500 https://infrastructure.punkt.de info@punkt.de AG Mannheim 108285 Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: J=C3=BCrgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian St= ein --CaysLwfyjoDOmGgA7pGyLg0Rpt3aAoUzr-- --DQTMd5VCxxAJGKclatsid1FWWs6LIaeTX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:54:16 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:40 AM Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions < freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> wrote: > Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have > both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am I > a traitor? Am I an infidel? > Note: VM below refers to not just heavy weight ones like qemu, vbox or bhyve but to lighter weight ones like jails, etc. 1. The whole point of VM's is to let you do just that 2. By the very definition of an operating system you can only have *ONE* per logical/physical machine (assume the physical machine has no VM's). The reason is the primary job of the OS is to *MANAGE* the hardware and other resources of the machine in a coordinated and efficient manner for all users. This means the OS *MUST* have exclusive use of the hardware and all requests for resources be made through it. Any other scheme will lead to literal anarchy and an unusable machine. So this means you can not have more then one at once on a given machine. You can do emulation of the interface (user and programmer) offered by other OS's as long you know at the end of the day that's all you're doing (you're emulating the other OS you are not actually running it). All modern OS's have such emulation for most of the most common competitors. > > > -- > Ottavio Caruso > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 13:58:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE452366ACC for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:58:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from mail.punkt.de (mail.punkt.de [217.29.41.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCrPx04jWz4YPW for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from liedtke@punkt.de) Received: from [217.29.46.66] (kagate.punkt.de [217.29.33.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.punkt.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1EC2025102 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:58:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Slowing network speed References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: freeBSD Mailing List From: Lars Liedtke Autocrypt: addr=liedtke@punkt.de; 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Can help to have tcpdump running in a second shell Am 24.07.20 um 15:53 schrieb Michael Schuster: > also check whether you see retransmissions or dropped packets in > network statistics (can't tell you how to get those, though) > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:52 PM Lars Liedtke > wrote: > > Hello, > > The first things coming to my mind > > are ping, traceroute and iperf > > Lars > > Am 24.07.20 um 14:38 schrieb The Doctor via freebsd-questions: > > Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network > speed. > > --=20 > --- > punkt.de GmbH > Lars Liedtke > .infrastructure > > Kaiserallee 13a > 76133 Karlsruhe > > Tel. +49 721 9109 500 > https://infrastructure.punkt.de > info@punkt.de > > AG Mannheim 108285 > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: J=C3=BCrgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fab= ian Stein > > > > > --=20 > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > recursion, n: see 'recursion' --=20 --- punkt.de GmbH Lars Liedtke =2Einfrastructure Kaiserallee 13a=09 76133 Karlsruhe Tel. +49 721 9109 500 https://infrastructure.punkt.de info@punkt.de AG Mannheim 108285 Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: J=C3=BCrgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian St= ein --pwIbHEMuLfRrfLPBadVID5epBcGI7nrGy-- --BpLbVcwTRSczBTqRP4N9rKtcseYAPTNRC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gromit.dlib.vt.edu", Issuer "Chumby Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCrWg6yr5z4Yd9 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from mather.gromit23.net (c-98-244-101-97.hsd1.va.comcast.net [98.244.101.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A5EC108; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:03:09 -0400 Cc: Peter Boosten Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> References: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCrWg6yr5z4Yd9 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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charset=3Dus-ascii >=20 > I love FreeBSD a lot, but the pkg system could be more intelligent, = for instance I have a gitlab server: in linux, the binaries are updated = and all necessary scripts are run to update the database as well.=20 >=20 > pkg stops after the binary upgrade and presents a webpage with all = sort of manual stuff. This notice is lost if you upgrade a lot of = packages Are you running the "Omnibus" edition of GitLab under Linux? If so, = that's not using a standard package manager. The Omnibus GitLab install = uses Chef to do all the "manual" stuff needed to maintain GitLab beyond = just the basic install (e.g., running database migrations, precompiling = assets, etc.). Chef runs on FreeBSD, but the GitLab folks don't make their Omnibus Chef = recipes FreeBSD-aware. (For the standard minor version GitLab upgrade, = it would be straightforward to write a Salt state, an Ansible playbook, = a Chef recipe, or even a shell script to perform those post-upgrade = "manual" steps, as it is somewhat rote now.) So, in the GitLab case, I would say it's more of a support advantage of = Linux, not a technological advantage. 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[184.98.232.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m17sm6893144pfo.182.2020.07.24.07.19.51 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <25b4ef9e-81a2-09e8-8dd3-f2e4733c4b5c@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: <396fef64-4856-e87c-1b87-b75cabcc6973@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:19:50 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25b4ef9e-81a2-09e8-8dd3-f2e4733c4b5c@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCrtz0cGgz4ZVr X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=jmD9oHWQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::541 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.07 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.25)[-0.250]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[184.98.232.78:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.895]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.925]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::541:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:19:55 -0000 On 7/24/20 6:27 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 7/24/20 4:28 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: >> On 2020-07-24 10:50, Christos Chatzaras wrote: >> >>> I use jails for multiple PHP versions and I prefer it this way >>> because it's a neat method and keeps my main system "clean" from >>> EOLed PHP versions. >> >> I always install PHP only in jails, as it keeps my system "clean" of >> something for which there's always a security hole being announced in >> a few days :) >> > > I fully agree with you. The whole flame war of this thread is between > "I want my system just work and have everything without effort" and "I > want my system really secure". Some of us split from Linux to FreeBSD > (servers at least) in pursuit of security, others may be splitting > from FreeBSD to Linux with their goals. I came back because I love the BSD architecture and dislike the ad-hoc nature of Ubuntu's new "features." i keep a Ubuntu machine around for the convenience of a desktop, but I don't expect it to be safe or free of surprises. > > And the only reason this flame war starts on FreeBSD mail list is: > Linux mail lists will kick you out pretty quickly ;-) > Hmmm... sounds like America these days. 'Political Correctness' and 'cancel culture' are the new RightThink. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 14:21:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA71368233 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:21:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCrwD3SZfz4Zts for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D162A4E662 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:20:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <800f33cd-0dc1-1ae9-2262-a374bf8c10dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:20:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCrwD3SZfz4Zts X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.25 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.13)[-0.125]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.28)[-0.278]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.05)[0.052]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:21:01 -0000 On 2020-07-24 08:39, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have > both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am I > a traitor? Am I an infidel? > Count me in. We may be infidels, but most likely we are just sysadmins. 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[184.98.232.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i196sm6478928pgc.55.2020.07.24.07.23.00 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Slowing network speed To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> From: Don Wilde Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 07:22:59 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCryb1rPwz4bHG X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=cp3pVwVg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dwilde1@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=dwilde1@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.06 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.24)[-0.241]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[184.98.232.78:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.895]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.92)[-0.920]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:23:04 -0000 On 7/24/20 6:53 AM, Michael Schuster wrote: > also check whether you see retransmissions or dropped packets in network > statistics (can't tell you how to get those, though) > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:52 PM Lars Liedtke wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> The first things coming to my mind >> >> are ping, traceroute and iperf Wireshark can't be beat: https://www.freshports.org/search.php?query=wireshark >> >> Lars >> >> Am 24.07.20 um 14:38 schrieb The Doctor via freebsd-questions: >>> Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network speed. >> -- >> --- >> punkt.de GmbH >> Lars Liedtke >> .infrastructure >> >> Kaiserallee 13a >> 76133 Karlsruhe >> >> Tel. +49 721 9109 500 >> https://infrastructure.punkt.de >> info@punkt.de >> >> AG Mannheim 108285 >> Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein >> >> >> -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 15:03:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F83B368E0F for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCssb0dBTz4dTb for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:03:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from capuchin.riseup.net (capuchin-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCssX4k8gzFd0K for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:03:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1595603024; bh=snAzl6FzpCWBM6lWsjHLTghzXpJZ88EzKuYIlB4q2m4=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=WXsUQzfPfN2MMGT7p7MzkmXk+MnnyXDE/QuGiOveJrTsGjXOtPeyRR/fMD4lzHeRo 5RbVzw2PgjueRZKt9mHrty4WHNDfksyGt2enYRSLJm2ClFi0lw0PUKoeeyXm7gT4gY JUpvPiM0bwIMZV6h+yaLvUaJz6rsIdl3FM24qQZc= X-Riseup-User-ID: 5EFFADD6ECD2AEFE2EEFE6B41FA2FCE046744607E6D9555623F626D7FFCA6982 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by capuchin.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BCssW74sQz8sqn for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:03:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:03:48 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200724170348.51f108ec@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <800f33cd-0dc1-1ae9-2262-a374bf8c10dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <800f33cd-0dc1-1ae9-2262-a374bf8c10dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCssb0dBTz4dTb X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=WXsUQzfP; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.26 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.024]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.63)[-0.633]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.001]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:03:48 -0000 >On 2020-07-24 08:39, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Am I an infidel? "the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 15:30:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B2D369C2D for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:30:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from sonic316-11.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic316-11.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.130.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCtSB53tkz4g5F for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) X-YMail-OSG: BEYSJ8MVM1n.rZZU2tvnrK1tlX9f6QAEhiH1QjzssK1CDom05_fCPGFzwJGQE0. 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A fellow pastafarian. :) On Friday, July 24, 2020, 11:03:53 AM EDT, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On 2020-07-24 08:39, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Am I an infidel? "the only dogma allowed in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the rejection of dogma" _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 15:49:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3F936A3A5 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:49:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: from aurora.gregv.net (aurora.gregv.net [192.111.144.138]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCttj4v17z3S84 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@gregv.net) Received: by aurora.gregv.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 85230F5; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:49:43 -0400 From: Greg Veldman To: "Russell L. Carter" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: forwarding audio from a (bhyve) vm Message-ID: <20200724154943.GR67461@aurora.gregv.net> References: <295d43ec-b5dc-2899-5d22-fb0b5d8ff5cb@pinyon.org> <20200720120813.4b020a5b.freebsd@edvax.de> <08284be8-6508-0451-312b-b575dc6d4331@pinyon.org> <42870245-d3c6-be29-242b-67b7697d7402@pinyon.org> <20200721022754.GM67461@aurora.gregv.net> <93920d59-a06c-62c6-7393-c19a2db2ed88@pinyon.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <93920d59-a06c-62c6-7393-c19a2db2ed88@pinyon.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCttj4v17z3S84 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@gregv.net has no SPF policy when checking 192.111.144.138) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@gregv.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.44)[-0.440]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[10.0.2.1:email]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.39)[-0.387]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[gregv.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.22)[0.225]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[10.0.2.1:email]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31863, ipnet:192.111.144.0/20, country:US] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:49:51 -0000 On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 05:50:31PM -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: > sndio, if it can be made to work, also appears perfect. In summary, I > want to run multiple vm's in a Facebook cast-off server that has 32 > threads and 128GB of memory... but no audio hardware. Adding the hda > device to bhyve doesn't seem to work, I am guessing, because there is > no physical audio hw in the bhyve host. This certainly sounds like a use case for sndio. FYI my use case is passing audio from various bhyve VMs to my desktop system, as needed. > The latest tarball of sndio compiles and installs cleanly on ancienne > Debian 9. But what about sound devices? I'm not sure exactly how to set this up on Debian, I've only ever run sndiod in server mode on FreeBSD. There, it was as simple as setting a few flags in my rc.conf (see previous post). > A couple of questions inline, if possible: Further responses also inline. > On 2020-07-20 19:27, Greg Veldman wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 04:00:22PM -0700, Russell L. Carter wrote: > >> On 2020-07-20 15:06, Russell L. Carter wrote: > >>> Seren looks perfect.?? However it uses alsa to access the "sound card", > >>> which I see from googling should be achievable in a bhyve vm by > >>> configuring the HDA emulation. Evidently, after consulting > >>> https://wiki.freebsd.org/SummerOfCode2016/HDAudioEmulationForBhyve > >>> and > >>> > https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/what-is-the-current-status-of-audio-emulation-in-bhyve.74557/ > >>> > >>> > >>> I should be able to achieve this using vm-bhyve by setting > >>> > >>> bhyve_options="-s 9,hda,play=/dev/dsp1,rec=/dev/dsp1" > >>> > >>> in the vm template file. > >> > >> Oh well, the vm fails to start with this template configuration. > >> I am not sure how to fix it. There is only one vm running, so > >> I don't think bhyve should be running out of slots/devices. > >> There is no audio hardware in the bhyve host... is that a > >> problem? I don't want to listen on the bhyve host, I want to > >> ship the audio over the physical network to another FreeBSD > >> system. > >> > >> Both the bhyve host and the target system are running FreeBSD > >> 12/stable from the beginning of July. > > > > I currently do this with some of my systems, I use sndio and > > have had no issues at all. My current setup is all FreeBSD > > hosts, but sndio runs on GNU/Linux and NetBSD, OpenBSD (in > > fact it's originally from OpenBSD I believe). > > > > On the host you wish to send the audio from: > > > > $ grep -i audio .bashrc > > export AUDIODEVICE="snd@10.0.2.1/0" > > You don't need to start sndiod on the audio server > system for the client system to connect? Yes, you do, but that is the only place you need to start the daemon. In my example, the lines above are on the client, the lines below are from the audio server (my FreeBSD desktop box). On the client, all you need to do is set the environment variable with the location of the sndiod server, then any sndio-aware application will forward the audio over the network to that address. > > On the host you wish to hear the audio on: > > > > $ grep -i sndio /etc/rc.conf > > sndiod_enable="YES" > > sndiod_dev="rsnd/$($SYSCTL -n hw.snd.default_unit)" > > sndiod_flags="-f ${sndiod_dev} -c 0:7 -j off -s default -m mon -s > > monitor -L 10.0.2.1" > > That looks very good. My target system has a non-default "default". Yes, I also had to explicitly set mine, that's the sysctl.conf snippet below. > > $ grep -i snd /etc/sysctl.conf > > # Default sound device (from /dev/sndstat) > > hw.snd.default_unit=2 > > > > See the sndio(7) manpage for setting up the cookie on both > > hosts to handle authentication. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Greg Veldman freebsd@gregv.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 16:00:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 325BC36AB04 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gromit.dlib.vt.edu", Issuer "Chumby Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCv6p2flpz3T5s for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from mather.gromit23.net (c-98-244-101-97.hsd1.va.comcast.net [98.244.101.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDBAD386; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:00:16 -0400 Cc: Steve O'Hara-Smith Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <20E68F58-D924-4EE5-8919-93E27FDF94C4@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> References: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCv6p2flpz3T5s X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=vt.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.173.49.70) smtp.mailfrom=paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.906]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.81)[-0.811]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[98.244.101.97:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.65)[-0.650]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1312, ipnet:128.173.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[vt.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:00:19 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:21:27 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith = wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:21:27 +0100 > From: Steve O'Hara-Smith > To: Victor Sudakov > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux > Message-ID: <20200724122127.08ea76b6881fd483dc212287@sohara.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII >=20 > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:28:40 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 >> Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 >> 3. FreeBSD lacks a native docker (what prevents from fixing >=20 > Isn't the whole point of docker to package applications in > containers so that (among other simplifications) there was no need to > support multiple versions of services in the same environment. >=20 > One service, one container works just as well in jails as in > docker, granted it's not as easy as writing a yaml file and watching a > poorly understood swarm of thousands of containers spring to life and > provide a load-balanced service, but it isn't hard especially with = iocage > templates. >=20 > Personally I always run services in single service jails and = have > done for a lot longer than docker has existed. =46rom what I can see = docker > offers very little advantage if what you need is one-off servers and = you > want complete control over what's on them and what they do. It offers = huge > advantages if you want to administer large load-balanced swarms of > standardised components. Whenever Docker comes up, it seems to me that in the FreeBSD world the = cry that goes up is "they're just like jails." In my experience, = though, FreeBSD jails are more heavyweight than Docker containers. = Jails in FreeBSD are more analogous to using LXD in Linux---lightweight = OS virtualisation. Tools like iocage (which I use), Bastille, Pot, etc. reinforce this = notion because they base their jails on FreeBSD releases. So, you get a = lot of heavyweight cruft installed (or available) that your application = probably doesn't need (like compilers, mailers, etc.) as well as = services running you might not need (like cron, syslogd, etc.). I tried = some years ago to create a very pared-down FreeBSD jail via = /etc/src.conf settings (if nothing else but to reduce the internal = attack surface of the jail), and found it quite tricky. (There are = several hidden dependencies that are not well documented or tested when = it comes to removing them from the system.) That's not to say you can't = make a heavyweight Docker container, but there are a lot of *very* = lightweight ones you can use as your starting point. :-) The basic Docker paradigm is you execute one process in a container and = when that process ends the container exits. Where I work, it's common = for people to use the Docker container version of the "aws" [i.e., = FreeBSD devel/awscli] command (with its gazillion build dependencies) = rather than install the software natively. (Their "aws" command is = basically an alias that invokes "docker run" on the "aws" Docker = container.) Also, at DockerCon 2020, there was a presentation by the = CURL developers about their making and maintaining the official CURL = Docker container (https://github.com/curl/curl-docker) so you could run = "curl" similarly. This makes it very easy to get access to any version = of CURL you need (so long as you can run Docker), as befits a "Swiss = Army knife"-like tool such as CURL. I have not seen FreeBSD jails used in as lightweight a fashion as that = (i.e., running as application binaries). Usually they are used to run = long-running services. I doubt that is a technological limitation of = jails, but is probably a tooling issue. And that, to me, is the main = advantage of Docker: its ecosystem and mindshare. My experience of = FreeBSD jails is that it is a great technology that has been let down = somewhat by poor tools and fragmented communities (ezjail vs. iocage vs. = cbsd vs. etc.). It's surprising to me that although jails were = introduced in FreeBSD 4.0 it took until FreeBSD 9.1 for jail.conf to = appear! The great success of Docker, in my mind, is that it forged a = community and a standardisation around use of containers. Who knows, = given better tools, maybe FreeBSD jails (and Solaris Zones, etc.) could = have been just as big? I think the other aspect of Docker containers you perhaps overlook is = that they are based on immutable images. That makes it very good for = application deployment. The "if what you need is one-off servers and = you want complete control over what's on them and what they do" that you = mention is rarely a use case for Docker containers in my experience. = (What you say sounds like LXD OS containers to me.) What people want = from Docker containers is a known application build that they can roll = forward to or roll back to. Even today, there is no standard image = format for FreeBSD jails, and the tools for migration/rollback of jails = is not standardised across the many different tools that let you work = with jails. Again, that's probably not the fault of jails but of the = tooling ecosystem around them. (It's not a technological limitation of = jails.) > Regardless what is with the idea that one OS must be "better" = than > another - a Stilson is not better than a ring spanner, they are simply > suited to different (but similar) tasks. I agree entirely with this. That's why I have been loathe to contribute = to this sort of thread until today. But, I think with jails there's a = conceit in the FreeBSD community that there's an element of "we had = Docker containers years ago but we call them jails." I don't think the = comparison is 100% accurate. I like jails, but I believe the tooling = and ecosystem around them falls short of that around Docker. That's a = problem of support, not technology, IMHO. Cheers, Paul. 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A fellow pastafarian. :) There's just one important difference in the computer realm. The user can understand, read the source code of a program, troubleshoot/bisect FLOSS and even fork discontinued software after gaining the required knowledge or the user can rely on a relatively huge community. Whatever knowledge the user or even the hugest community has got, there's more or less nothing that could be done, when using restricted software. The user needs to trust business people, who could decide more or less what ever they want, at any time. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 16:50:14 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8385D36BD48 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:50:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCwDP0v1mz3WwM for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:50:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.8.146]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mzhar-1klK9U0jwH-00vin2; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:49:57 +0200 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:49:56 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lars Liedtke Cc: freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Slowing network speed Message-Id: <20200724184956.b7aea4aa.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <7b80ba1a-3751-d72c-a04a-86e48fc3bc81@punkt.de> References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <7b80ba1a-3751-d72c-a04a-86e48fc3bc81@punkt.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:x88aR0bqRzgMPZpkNytLEsOIQNleXMmHK9A2nV+9lavQNd2whv0 fCd6PFLPYXy0jmoxgkX+ZaGP4/UrgCS18aOQqNw2JVP12NbE2yscLitwgR5zc/p/ryVuVVC eNOvVJU0C9Uym19WbSrmaQ+YODa8QTaphbxGHFdrF1v4+b6p51/aRz000cF+Vrbw9H9HDE5 Kz7ACtf7z22/+emywJUEw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:gIexxwJmQv0=:WAhURULVqKB1+TK9z7rKHA jDsmN/fFdD45Xa5DTLvA9Ap1itJgym61Xr39+7WOPOPCS46CxKSrEEEttYa6FTxcyj7M51++N 0WNRXvFAHXT9FjjVZAr2p3y5zABAp0kmaVxJEWzuOiZJqxnDaheEeIi4vbG/nDoJ73QRs2ieu YhBZnG2eAQYrbBd1OWC81u19JbdrecWzKPEI03mTfuTHmJf/ZNxc9REpvW9VJ/Q+WuCpMSZUA Kwz/MFQC9X4jGdyehDE4DiAlgMyDz3dluQ7+0XaIs5DO/PkCUm27if9q1oV8QHyRiecgmkFYg 0xRPKbjsN3yYobGxUDpGkRhkr3qYM2Ai4Ja+P6ZiqlbuFML+qxhuZPrmOxBMZxNVstofWZOgc oBukMwUmPyHvzed2JaVonWy4OEiGNa/UYfaZDbBJ4xsHjMG8slsUitlVgwZp4VU00DHmfx+Mo ybq15eZHZFKyxNMJYOtCYkOUdr2dBYB8YSIBFDfi8ug5uXc4wNgGPcss0M20A58fwOy6j/ZWw 5Ya5PSZXbJFvO6d0/gPQoN1H6hl9TbpOhoBkulFbVFTb6jhLgMNKh9ip7HGRKlPohrsxqoNdB UKDxKppV+rI/WpklL6DG3WRrFOF/P0CwWc19bgc/jjKwkWa+egeNTHIQC6B8/8NKWHItKaUTq dFW1fH7TWOVS7Rr+dNT6Kf1ltiqjtAW21Ektc6XDj5O/PBk2iCP6xYakZ/fwNqHcCJlpaEctJ nSh0N+QyjQNUqSa9BpjlpPu6plI5KsxJD8oPIK8WWv4MW6xl1CDHRQ7JLqCaryqqJ8H8PuJI7 KzCu6Y3w+hfksFC+HWjQqFw2kdfcj+lilOP7ChJEzBIA+WLIApG9/c6lMVJO1DYsFROawD0 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCwDP0v1mz3WwM X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.44 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.39)[-0.389]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.8.146:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.47)[-0.474]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.10)[-0.096]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:50:14 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:58:10 +0200, Lars Liedtke wrote: > ping shows you. > Can help to have tcpdump running in a second shell It also sometimes helps to have a "reference object", i. e., some device where you _know_ how all the parameters should be. You can then compare them side by side, using tools like ping, monitoring packet flow, content, and times with tcpdump or visually with Wireshark. Slow speed can be the result of many different things that aren't set up right, or that don't match each other... maybe something damages network packets, maybe something drops connections all the time and requires re-negotiation, maybe some hardware-specific aspect is set to a wrong value... there are many possibilities that can be experienced as "slow speed". Without further investigation, it's impossible to know. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 17:11:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3462636C7C4 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:11:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wattersm@watters.ws) Received: from linux1.tor1.watters.ws (linux1.tor1.watters.ws [165.227.44.84]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCwhq148Xz3YyX for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:11:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wattersm@watters.ws) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (d53-147-217.nap.wideopenwest.com [64.53.217.147]) by linux1.tor1.watters.ws (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F7CEC4E886 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Michael Watters Autocrypt: addr=wattersm@watters.ws; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFayHsoBEADQIhLWXAoE6StYIQIqct6xXwy7s37/u62G0V7PSdc3W4/AoSdC+ZvAXnn/ C8TfbP3VqtVty2DhUVpqUkyOUqeKV0OmSFwAeH/YROr3Rha3VNyUalpFGbDtYRSns8qjFGUj YhLxx6xCQLCiq3+YqUYK0hTIhJCn5zHMzFdp+TPz046LR3qA4OdaWtGZklUfeGys6kCWVAQG Vxx9+humCfWBjn9ANuNqiOmcjNomhGuQ8kCsvcdn3vAelwEyk6fkqLI8uw9kWyZeQ/RURyuW qKriujz0odrQf6MMUwMJ5zIFyLe7wuQxSDApeZXZ8eP6R73Ic+tcqQC4+RvIf5f6PnJhOpKJ d5TDcO6YsqKTc27XzHdx3LUEHEaNrD30TLmXytBNccuW+QOfXQtXh2oKpRRt5qyzGG384r25 7yND1ta1HPM5amgMq8YsbZTnqQHl6NG5WgGBt3jiRUnPXyINrUCy79l51EP8JJiC3qtQPufj nWtGCmovr5ZWeKIpk3s2elkk+zRUb4UViuvEX+qweMRu2R8uIfPpWG7UFQ/et7BFkfMl1O+t M+DFdNVaYtfgHICwyLoTGIDFDv4W3dqISTsU+z/YzSiGCH3rFqdabJfF3no0nyUAqkb5Yn+X 2X22JAq/N7LKrDf3uLy+sMVGHwoQI9T0WkyMpkkBYT777cAaBQARAQABtCNNYWNpbnRvc2gg S2V5IDx3YXR0ZXJzbUB3YXR0ZXJzLndzPokCPQQTAQoAJwIbAwULCQgHAwUVCgkICwUWAgMB AAIeAQIXgAUCXhCt4QUJCyD2FwAKCRAFjwxRWGyoxgHFEACi0g4rpqfD6vJy3j9L7Xa3vEWR 1o27goTsPGbTETo2xT2RshG2mmmpDF/gxXUR7mUziiYNGynrOf1Rx05QhrrHYB6lTOPxlAVT ce5jJ24+WH3Mpy0eYtB2m6JgoVZtjYN9E7Wbvj2rYLlxQqlC5vzcXsLd5fsP+GeZnRwY3OIv WAk7cszx/QPmDFgSa7zF3JCT63yGutX8g+alKPAM92oy99KtjtO6ZpV7k/niwBE0QFTvCNZa kEdaAIFXJ8F7oc50KDowWpSP6zu8MkkCccPNAwM8VtZ21648yIvbtVo16KSxcWSR8DiGuqYz wPorqf3FQzpI4g8bfQUoezIJLus0slkIE0Nn3P1RKxKxcU3ehauPEcqJIowmdpeY7qsYB4Im G9ckIjBZXaKnifg73IB+bJlFY/pOR3c57xsYmzLujAvCsCDvKUENJ84aA/7AQWQjXUGelbQE 3Iqy32D9hOr0loSQWvDcT3yUovOaCykmiOl7I3bCV52kRXAiOVcEXtPdempVY309bq8RovFN pKVfxrkvEfZ8+1+C8xB9c4lpcDjOQ/5vbteSUEVK+blgX/6y4oDus3CphbmyaawAiKfykZJb EQjwhBuRdG9ytpdjdWC4H0ZgEyua4xFVeSy9jZopttya4r5JmLd2vzEkyOxTxGQcC80x57ia MmjK4ZR7Kw== Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:11:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCwhq148Xz3YyX X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wattersm@watters.ws designates 165.227.44.84 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wattersm@watters.ws X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.87)[-0.865]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.910]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[watters.ws]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.08)[0.082]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14061, ipnet:165.227.32.0/20, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:11:24 -0000 While it's fun to test out and play with different OSes it makes life much simpler if you standardize on *one* platform.  Most organizations have standards and policies about what operating systems are allowed on their servers. On 7/24/2020 9:39 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have > both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am I > a traitor? Am I an infidel? > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 17:50:54 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7573F36D8F6 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.165]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCxZP1MySz3d05 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.135] (helo=smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jz1qL-0005Zw-85; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:50:49 +0200 Received: from 84-25-247-31.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl ([84.25.247.31] helo=smtp.boosten.org) by smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jz1qL-0000si-3Y; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:50:49 +0200 Received: from amon.boosten.org (amon.boosten.org [192.168.13.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.boosten.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 022C09FE; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:50:47 +0200 (CEST) From: freebsd@boosten.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:50:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <52174f02-7f87-bde3-3410-9f2d7c5efb2b@kicp.uchicago.edu> Cc: Valeri Galtsev To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> <7B44C0A4-FCB5-4703-837B-AF2D28667306@boosten.org> <52174f02-7f87-bde3-3410-9f2d7c5efb2b@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SourceIP: 84.25.247.31 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Qdn9QvTv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JWBJsaPp29SgP5DpYRBqZw==:17 a=_RQrkK6FrEwA:10 a=nmanek56tIVeLiYY4vgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=vBMPOvy3cbsxxoDo:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCxZP1MySz3d05 X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.68 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[boosten.org:s=myselector]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.25.247.31:received]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.967]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[212.54.42.165:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.54.32.0/19]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.98)[-0.981]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[boosten.org:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.13)[-1.129]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[boosten.org,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33915, ipnet:212.54.32.0/20, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[212.54.42.165:from] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:50:54 -0000 > Op 24 jul. 2020, om 15:22 heeft Valeri Galtsev = het volgende geschreven: >=20 > I do love when things are done on their own without me doing them, = like things you complain FreeBSD pkg doesn't. But one has to come to = realize that for that getting done without you all the way there is = [only one I know] solution: just hire good sysadmin ;-) No, like any good admin I=E2=80=99m lazy, and my opinion is that = anything that could be automated, should be automated. ;) Peter =E2=80=94 It never hurts to help =E2=80=94 Eek! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 17:55:37 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E8036DCEB for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:55:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from smtpq5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.168]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCxgr3b6pz3dWD for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:55:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@boosten.org) Received: from [212.54.42.135] (helo=smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq5.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jz1uw-0006de-SN; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:55:34 +0200 Received: from 84-25-247-31.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl ([84.25.247.31] helo=smtp.boosten.org) by smtp11.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jz1uw-0002bw-OP; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:55:34 +0200 Received: from amon.boosten.org (amon.boosten.org [192.168.13.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.boosten.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C016DA81; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:55:33 +0200 (CEST) From: freebsd@boosten.org Message-Id: <8865087C-275F-4671-AA6B-3792CB983089@boosten.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:55:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> Cc: Paul Mather To: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-SourceIP: 84.25.247.31 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=Qdn9QvTv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JWBJsaPp29SgP5DpYRBqZw==:17 a=_RQrkK6FrEwA:10 a=s4EOK2Bt9jsEVlEfKj0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Nw2b0SMopGZ-Ndmdu3QA:9 a=bI3hyHf3g9aYTfRT:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCxgr3b6pz3dWD X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.49 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[boosten.org:s=myselector]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.54.42.168:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.950]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.54.32.0/19:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.986]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[boosten.org:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[84.25.247.31:received]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[boosten.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.953]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:33915, ipnet:212.54.32.0/20, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[212.54.42.168:from] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:55:37 -0000 >=20 >=20 > Are you running the "Omnibus" edition of GitLab under Linux?=20 Nope, just a plain =E2=80=98apt install gitlab-ce=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98ap= t upgrade=E2=80=99 does the trick. | it's more of a support advantage of Linux, not a technological = advantage. Probably right. Don=E2=80=99t get me wrong: I like pkg, although it=E2=80=99= s sometimes a pita when it comes to packages that come from ports, = because of different options (like my postfix with mysql), and I have to = lock the package. Peter =E2=80=94 It never hurts to help =E2=80=94 Eek! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 17:56:13 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7AA36E308 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200057e267e.b4c53974ed4e3078c9a1cbdb3c12e309@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCxhX581sz3dTM for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:56:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200057e267e.b4c53974ed4e3078c9a1cbdb3c12e309@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595613373; x=1598205373; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=wTciapTx0vxKWE96FJvDXbxRYgO7qYWjtkl5qEtCjJ4=; b=de8kI3CdxmaXpe4mX0+9z10UWWXcgdFT6OE255HfEY17eCcRmj2UapNdOTQXANDEZEn/IrUgqkjd8Cw+dgxZq8Khk/ZbEsbJ2L7FyJNLxm77N/zSvW4CpXr1JDL4c7Yy/kVSzVBzkpWEy4tIDX3Ded77yxSw+Ehdx6kKBfHZgvs= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDU3ZTI2N2UuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:56:08 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:56:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jz1vR-000NF5-Q4; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:56:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:56:05 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Paul Mather Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200724185605.598068c18440361a173b4e60@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20E68F58-D924-4EE5-8919-93E27FDF94C4@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> References: <20E68F58-D924-4EE5-8919-93E27FDF94C4@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCxhX581sz3dTM X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=de8kI3Cd; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c200057e267e.b4c53974ed4e3078c9a1cbdb3c12e309@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c200057e267e.b4c53974ed4e3078c9a1cbdb3c12e309@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.66 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.010]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.966]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200057e267e.b4c53974ed4e3078c9a1cbdb3c12e309@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200057e267e.b4c53974ed4e3078c9a1cbdb3c12e309@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:56:13 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:00:16 -0400 Paul Mather wrote: > Whenever Docker comes up, it seems to me that in the FreeBSD world the > cry that goes up is "they're just like jails." In my experience, though, > FreeBSD jails are more heavyweight than Docker containers. Jails in > FreeBSD are more analogous to using LXD in Linux---lightweight OS > virtualisation. I think you mean LXC in Linux - Docker the engine is a built on top of LXC and filesystem layering. These days LXC is fronted by containerd in Docker which I believe allows for using other container technologies. > Tools like iocage (which I use), Bastille, Pot, etc. reinforce this > notion because they base their jails on FreeBSD releases. So, you get a Yes they do, and while it is hard to strip down a FreeBSD release to a single process it is not difficult at all to jail a statically linked binary and its associated data, and only a little more difficult to do so with a dynamically linked one. The trick is to start with too little and add only what is necessary to make it work. Jailing a beast like CUPS this way is a nightmare (I failed!), mainly because it uses pretty much everything an OS has to offer. The docker community has the advantage that a lot of people have done the equivalent work for many things and shared the results. Adding filesystem layers to containers was the clever bit that made this sustainable because you could start from a base and add a layer to customise or extend it. > The basic Docker paradigm is you execute one process in a container and > when that process ends the container exits. If that process is PostgresQL or Nginx then the container will be around for a while. > Where I work, it's common > for people to use the Docker container version of the "aws" [i.e., > FreeBSD devel/awscli] command (with its gazillion build dependencies) > rather than install the software natively. Yes that is one use case for Docker, another common one is large distributed, load-balanced, load-adaptive web services with Docker Swarm and Kubernetes managing the whole thing out of a YAML definition. That's awesome. > The great success of Docker, in my mind, is that it forged a > community and a standardisation around use of containers. Yes indeed that is the great success of Docker. > I think the other aspect of Docker containers you perhaps overlook is > that they are based on immutable images. That makes it very good for > application deployment. The "if what you need is one-off servers and you > want complete control over what's on them and what they do" that you > mention is rarely a use case for Docker containers in my experience. It's not the use case that Docker was designed for. It is my use case and why plain containers are enough for me. > (What you say sounds like LXD OS containers to me.) What people want LXC == jails. Docker is a layer built on top of LXC and layered VFS mounts. It is perfectly possible to build something like Docker on top of jails, it is probably even possible to make Docker use jails. Of course the library of LXC based images would be useless but the stack on up to swarm and Kubernetes would all work. > from Docker containers is a known application build that they can roll > forward to or roll back to. Yep images of every kind handily provided by the community. It's a great thing - so is trust. > I agree entirely with this. That's why I have been loathe to contribute > to this sort of thread until today. But, I think with jails there's a > conceit in the FreeBSD community that there's an element of "we had > Docker containers years ago but we call them jails." I don't think the > comparison is 100% accurate. You are absolutely correct, FreeBSD had jails years before Linux had LXC, but nobody built anything like Docker on top of them. Docker is not containers, it is a massive infrastructure to take advantage of containers along with a community that produces endless quantities of images for people to use like Lego bricks. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 17:59:01 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76F636E26E for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:59:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCxlm4y9Tz3dmH for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0962F4E65A for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:59:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:58:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCxlm4y9Tz3dmH X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.11 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.14)[-0.143]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.13)[0.127]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.027]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:59:01 -0000 On 2020-07-24 12:11, Michael Watters wrote: > While it's fun to test out and play with different OSes it makes life > much simpler if you standardize on *one* platform.  Most organizations > have standards and policies about what operating systems are allowed on > their servers. > I do not agree or disagree with you. Yet, being sysadmin, and having everything built around 4 "standardized" systems (FreeBSD + jails - servers, CentOS Linux - number crunchers and workstations, Ubuntu Linux - laptops, MS Windows, MacOS), I do play or use other systems, and my end users get the one they like and I do provide full support of the system of their choice for them. I never had to deal with outrageous choices - lucky me. Valeri > On 7/24/2020 9:39 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: >> Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have >> both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am I >> a traitor? Am I an infidel? >> >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 18:04:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD25D36E3EC for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:04:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCxtb6hHBz3fMb for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:04:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5F1F04E65A; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:04:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd@boosten.org, FreeBSD Questions Mailing List References: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> <7B44C0A4-FCB5-4703-837B-AF2D28667306@boosten.org> <52174f02-7f87-bde3-3410-9f2d7c5efb2b@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <112f4940-4ea3-5baf-b34f-10d67d181eaf@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:04:55 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCxtb6hHBz3fMb X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.77 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.72)[-0.722]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.941]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.21)[-0.207]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:04:56 -0000 On 2020-07-24 12:50, freebsd@boosten.org wrote: > >> Op 24 jul. 2020, om 15:22 heeft Valeri Galtsev >> > het >> volgende geschreven: >> >> I do love when things are done on their own without me doing them, >> like things you complain FreeBSD pkg doesn't. But one has to come to >> realize that for that getting done without you all the way there is >> [only one I know] solution: just hire good sysadmin ;-) > > No, like any good admin I’m lazy, and my opinion is that anything that > could be automated, should be automated. ;) > Yes, indeed, but I prefer some things related to fundamental choices still stay in my control, and if they are automated, they are automated by me. When I was asked if I could take second department as my responsibility, I had everything automated so, that I answered quite honestly: "sure, where there are 100 machines, can easily be 200". Indeed sysadmins are lazy. I call it "lazy enough to do thing well enough, so you will not have to redo them in a future". Valeri > Peter > > — > It never hurts to help — Eek! > > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 18:08:53 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA0036EA0A for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCxz828myz3fkM for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:08:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 230AC4E70A for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:08:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <8865087C-275F-4671-AA6B-3792CB983089@boosten.org> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:08:52 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8865087C-275F-4671-AA6B-3792CB983089@boosten.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCxz828myz3fkM X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.13 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.13)[-0.127]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.13)[0.126]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.03)[0.031]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:08:53 -0000 On 2020-07-24 12:55, Peter Boosten via freebsd-questions wrote: >> >> >> Are you running the "Omnibus" edition of GitLab under Linux? > > Nope, just a plain ‘apt install gitlab-ce’ and ‘apt upgrade’ does the trick. > > | it's more of a support advantage of Linux, not a technological advantage. > > Probably right. Don’t get me wrong: I like pkg, although it’s sometimes a pita when it comes to packages that come from ports, because of different options (like my postfix with mysql), and I have to lock the package. > As many others when not satisfied with pkg default built options, I use poudriere, and have pkg get them from my poudriere repository. Examples: mailman (to use postfix, not sendmail) apache (to have LDAP authentication enabled) Valeri > Peter > > — > It never hurts to help — Eek! > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 18:09:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8E336EB29 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x144.google.com (mail-il1-x144.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::144]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCxzq6bN3z3fqN for ; 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Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:09:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <800f33cd-0dc1-1ae9-2262-a374bf8c10dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200724170348.51f108ec@archlinux> <1273868562.6647660.1595604615652@mail.yahoo.com> <20200724183331.6363d69c@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20200724183331.6363d69c@archlinux> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:09:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List , Paul Pathiakis X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCxzq6bN3z3fqN X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=JRqQwj42; 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TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[freebsd.org,yahoo.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:09:28 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:33 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Whatever knowledge the user or even the hugest community has got, > there's more or less nothing that could be done, when using restricted > software. The user needs to trust business people, who could decide > more or less what ever they want, at any time. > And said business people often decide on what to use for the most idiotic reasons. For example we just spent 8 weeks fighting with all levels of our client's main hosting company (they are medium to large customer and picked hosting company because up to now they have been very flexible in the customizations we needed due the nature of the client's system [not your standard hosting since it is a web front end to high end medical IoT that is "rented" for short periods to clients of our client but used by patients in everyday life for up to 30 days {you don't want to know some of the idiotic things people have done to these devices ;-)}) over how best to do backups of MySQL on a FreeBSD machine we use for the hosting. The entire software stack is fully supported by hosting company (or they at least claim to fully support it) but when we asked that MySQL backups be done with sqldump and/or DB replication from within the DB instance they spent 7 weeks denying that it was needed because they did block level disk backups (I would love to hear from any DBA who would trust such backups!!!). Then last week they said they couldn't do mysqldump backups because it was a "unsupported method" on "unsupported software". Translation since there is no commercial support for MySQL and/or FreeBSD from the original developers then no matter how good the community support was they considered it "unsupported" (WTF!?!?!?!!!?!? I would say community support is usually higher quality then vendor so called tech support which does nothing but walk you through a predefined script and if the script fails your SOL). Another more cynical translation is "there is no one to sue if the stuff @#$@#$ up!" So instead of a great low cost, mature and very well supported/understood config they recommended a multi-thousand dollar solution that does not even solve the primary issues of DB backups!!! -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 18:39:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9A036F3E2 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:39:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gromit.dlib.vt.edu", Issuer "Chumby Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BCyfN02mJz3y1Y for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from mather.gromit23.net (c-98-244-101-97.hsd1.va.comcast.net [98.244.101.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08A3410A; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: <8865087C-275F-4671-AA6B-3792CB983089@boosten.org> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:39:22 -0400 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <8865087C-275F-4671-AA6B-3792CB983089@boosten.org> To: Peter Boosten X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCyfN02mJz3y1Y X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=vt.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.173.49.70) smtp.mailfrom=paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.03 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.80)[-0.801]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.548]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[98.244.101.97:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.18)[-0.180]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1312, ipnet:128.173.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[vt.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:39:25 -0000 On Jul 24, 2020, at 1:55 PM, freebsd@boosten.org wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> Are you running the "Omnibus" edition of GitLab under Linux?=20 >=20 > Nope, just a plain =E2=80=98apt install gitlab-ce=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98= apt upgrade=E2=80=99 does the trick. I guess what I was trying unsuccessfully to say is that GitLab is = probably a bad example as the standard/recommended install under Linux = is the Omnibus edition (which has its own Chef recipes doing the heavy = lifting w.r.t. application upgrades) whereas the FreeBSD version is what = GitLab terms a "source" installation (requiring post-upgrade manual = configuration). If you are using the official GitLab package from GitLab Inc. then you = are almost certainly using their Omnibus edition. I had a quick look = and couldn't find an official Debian GitLab CE package. I found one in = the Debian Sid contrib repository. A more apples-to-apples comparison = with FreeBSD's pkg would probably be to install upgrade that one. TL;DR: The ease-of-use is due to GitLab's packaging in this case, not = from Apt itself. Cheers, Paul. PS: I used to run GitLab CE under Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi quite a = while ago, but eventually switched to the FreeBSD version because = GitLab's resource needs came to exceed that which could be provided by = the Raspberry Pi. I have to admit the install/upgrade experience of the = Omnibus edition under Raspbian was sweeeeet.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 18:45:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C7836FA0D for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:45:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=Xsuj=BD=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCymw5Fk4z3ySl for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:45:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=Xsuj=BD=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BCymn6kCTz2fjV0; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:44:57 -0700 Cc: Ralf Mardorf , FreeBSD Mailing List , Paul Pathiakis Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <800f33cd-0dc1-1ae9-2262-a374bf8c10dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200724170348.51f108ec@archlinux> <1273868562.6647660.1595604615652@mail.yahoo.com> <20200724183331.6363d69c@archlinux> To: Aryeh Friedman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BCymw5Fk4z3ySl X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=Xsuj=BD=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=Xsuj=BD=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.29 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=Xsuj=BD=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[riseup.net,freebsd.org,yahoo.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.986]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.44)[-0.437]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.968]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=Xsuj=BD=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:45:05 -0000 > On 24 July 2020, at 11:09, Aryeh Friedman = wrote: >=20 > So instead of a great low cost, mature and very well = supported/understood > config they recommended a multi-thousand dollar solution that does not = even > solve the primary issues of DB backups!!! I used to work for a large, international company that had a contract = which included the delivery of 100 PCs to Hawaii. When the computers = arrived, 98 of them were non-functional. The solution - send a VP to = Hawaii to explain that is to be expected and "normal" and it was not out = problem to fix them... -- Doug From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 19:56:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BE9371D77 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20005815698.690812ed9b0c6ccee5c6a41da2cd63e7@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD0Mg48P6z4Bvv for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:56:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c20005815698.690812ed9b0c6ccee5c6a41da2cd63e7@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595620608; x=1598212608; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=dMNoS24XPWZYU/DD3XSZpCByiBhZ0oYrWiKI0i7/sU4=; b=Fb9VkLhOgkRa4psfEpfx58n2+ou7506E8Nhb5HDxGFx6kkFTmuE6chnZRamO9BtrnrnII8bWJCvWXHNfFoxzDm5lR3hfpSTMinvgxd429eFPA4YqTIYGxLTsxIGrPQFn9Fp7r8rhlWF+EH5T0noi4R7Q3X5H0QmHJwD7hPgEvvU= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDU4MTU2OTguZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:56:41 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:56:41 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jz3o7-000NdT-KQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:56:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:56:39 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200724205639.44ceb0e9fa7dfbed6423a715@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <112f4940-4ea3-5baf-b34f-10d67d181eaf@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> <7B44C0A4-FCB5-4703-837B-AF2D28667306@boosten.org> <52174f02-7f87-bde3-3410-9f2d7c5efb2b@kicp.uchicago.edu> <112f4940-4ea3-5baf-b34f-10d67d181eaf@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD0Mg48P6z4Bvv X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=Fb9VkLhO; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c20005815698.690812ed9b0c6ccee5c6a41da2cd63e7@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c20005815698.690812ed9b0c6ccee5c6a41da2cd63e7@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.29 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.965]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.959]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.670]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20005815698.690812ed9b0c6ccee5c6a41da2cd63e7@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c20005815698.690812ed9b0c6ccee5c6a41da2cd63e7@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:56:49 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:04:55 -0500 Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Indeed sysadmins are lazy. I call it "lazy enough to do thing well > enough, so you will not have to redo them in a future". There's short term lazy and long term lazy - the latter is by far preferable. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 19:59:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B3D0372402 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:59:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD0Qf67P4z4C4D for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:59:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.8.146]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MuDHR-1koftX2Pxl-00uZJd; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:59:24 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:44:57 -0700, Doug Hardie wrote: > > On 24 July 2020, at 11:09, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > > So instead of a great low cost, mature and very well supported/understood > > config they recommended a multi-thousand dollar solution that does not even > > solve the primary issues of DB backups!!! > > I used to work for a large, international company that had a contract > which included the delivery of 100 PCs to Hawaii. When the computers > arrived, 98 of them were non-functional. The solution - send a VP to > Hawaii to explain that is to be expected and "normal" and it was not > out problem to fix them... The core problem is that those who decide about what software (or hardware) to buy or to license are not the ones who will be _using_ it, and their prosition within the company makes them invulnerable to any negative outcome of their decisions. Somewhere down the "trading chain", there is a final consumer who will then be forced pay the bill, one way or another. "It's not my department!" says Wernher von Braun. And today: "Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM!", or just like that... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 20:01:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993AE372443 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:01:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000581b6c8.ada1277fe93d70bcb9274fd45f5798dd@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD0T7141Kz4CNY for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:01:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c2000581b6c8.ada1277fe93d70bcb9274fd45f5798dd@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595620891; x=1598212891; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=bq9vMflVzFfixICzrOSNdxcge1SiSK+IyFDW8jI+R+4=; b=mFcOQLKbcBY8K4pWm+C2U+HG9Sy01Ff/3FsoGv5HwCUyeUfit9APsFrT0sLx+HBJMXhGCcFKW1Ux8z6CysCW1eqcMYerae0F7bzoiTZ2pOSUiSwFRieEl/Fdvzjfan354BVNsE3rzhJ2UJfxHv3eUU/ioBeeSVooctRdW4Yt6iM= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDU4MWI2YzguZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:01:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:01:29 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jz3sl-000Neq-E0; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:01:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:01:27 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Ralf Mardorf , FreeBSD Mailing List , Paul Pathiakis Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200724210127.7d05e22bd81b95388adf32ba@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <800f33cd-0dc1-1ae9-2262-a374bf8c10dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200724170348.51f108ec@archlinux> <1273868562.6647660.1595604615652@mail.yahoo.com> <20200724183331.6363d69c@archlinux> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD0T7141Kz4CNY X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=mFcOQLKb; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c2000581b6c8.ada1277fe93d70bcb9274fd45f5798dd@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c2000581b6c8.ada1277fe93d70bcb9274fd45f5798dd@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.86 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20:c]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.69)[-0.686]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c2000581b6c8.ada1277fe93d70bcb9274fd45f5798dd@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c2000581b6c8.ada1277fe93d70bcb9274fd45f5798dd@email-od.com]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.027]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.94)[-0.944]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[riseup.net,freebsd.org,yahoo.com]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:01:31 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:09:15 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > spent 7 weeks denying that it was needed because they did block level disk > backups (I would love to hear from any DBA who would trust such > backups!!!) Well so long as it streamed all changes to the backup in real time and was guaranteed never to lose a block no matter what then I might trust it for hot swap purposes but not for disaster recovery. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 20:16:48 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E58C372C0E for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:16:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD0pl2XHmz4DWT for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:16:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jz47c-0009gF-3N; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:16:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:16:48 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Lars Liedtke Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Slowing network speed Message-ID: <20200724201648.GA36813@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD0pl2XHmz4DWT X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.15 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.038]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.004]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.31)[-0.313]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:16:48 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 03:52:26PM +0200, Lars Liedtke wrote: > Hello, > > The first things coming to my mind > > are ping, traceroute and iperf > > Lars > > Am 24.07.20 um 14:38 schrieb The Doctor via freebsd-questions: > > Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network speed. > Hmm!!! I can do a ping numeric quick enough, but a ping domain name takes a bit of time. > -- > --- > punkt.de GmbH > Lars Liedtke > .infrastructure > > Kaiserallee 13a > 76133 Karlsruhe > > Tel. +49 721 9109 500 > https://infrastructure.punkt.de > info@punkt.de > > AG Mannheim 108285 > Gesch??ftsf??hrer: J??rgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein > > -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath. -Solon From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 20:17:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5AA83729E9 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD0qt28BCz4DRk for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jz486-0009hg-LF; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:17:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:17:18 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Michael Schuster Cc: Lars Liedtke , freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Slowing network speed Message-ID: <20200724201718.GB36813@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD0qt28BCz4DRk X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.04)[-1.042]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.972]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.34)[-0.338]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:17:46 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 03:53:38PM +0200, Michael Schuster wrote: > also check whether you see retransmissions or dropped packets in network > statistics (can't tell you how to get those, though) > netstat IIRC. > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:52 PM Lars Liedtke wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > The first things coming to my mind > > > > are ping, traceroute and iperf > > > > Lars > > > > Am 24.07.20 um 14:38 schrieb The Doctor via freebsd-questions: > > > Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network speed. > > > > -- > > --- > > punkt.de GmbH > > Lars Liedtke > > .infrastructure > > > > Kaiserallee 13a > > 76133 Karlsruhe > > > > Tel. +49 721 9109 500 > > https://infrastructure.punkt.de > > info@punkt.de > > > > AG Mannheim 108285 > > Gesch??ftsf??hrer: J??rgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein > > > > > > > > -- > Michael Schuster > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath. -Solon From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 20:18:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82E4372F0C for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (doctor.nl2k.ab.ca [204.209.81.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD0s20Ylsz4Ddq for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca) Received: from doctor by doctor.nl2k.ab.ca with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jz49H-0009mW-7K; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:18:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:18:31 -0600 From: The Doctor To: Lars Liedtke Cc: freeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Slowing network speed Message-ID: <20200724201831.GC36813@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> <7b80ba1a-3751-d72c-a04a-86e48fc3bc81@punkt.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7b80ba1a-3751-d72c-a04a-86e48fc3bc81@punkt.de> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD0s20Ylsz4Ddq X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.17 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.05)[-1.053]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.30)[-0.302]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nl2k.ab.ca,quarantine]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6171, ipnet:204.209.81.0/24, country:CA]; INTRODUCTION(2.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:18:46 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 03:58:10PM +0200, Lars Liedtke wrote: > ping shows you. > Can help to have tcpdump running in a second shell > > Am 24.07.20 um 15:53 schrieb Michael Schuster: > > also check whether you see retransmissions or dropped packets in > > network statistics (can't tell you how to get those, though) > > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 3:52 PM Lars Liedtke > > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > The first things coming to my mind > > > > are ping, traceroute and iperf > > > > Lars > > > > Am 24.07.20 um 14:38 schrieb The Doctor via freebsd-questions: > > > Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network > > speed. > > > > -- > > --- > > punkt.de GmbH > > Lars Liedtke > > .infrastructure > > > > Kaiserallee 13a > > 76133 Karlsruhe > > > > Tel. +49 721 9109 500 > > https://infrastructure.punkt.de > > info@punkt.de > > > > AG Mannheim 108285 > > Gesch??ftsf??hrer: J??rgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Michael Schuster > > http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ > > recursion, n: see 'recursion' > In this case I was doing a tucpdump -vvvvvvvvvvvv port 119 and it took 30 minutes to set up. Usually it would tak less than 5 minutes. > -- > --- > punkt.de GmbH > Lars Liedtke > .infrastructure > > Kaiserallee 13a > 76133 Karlsruhe > > Tel. +49 721 9109 500 > https://infrastructure.punkt.de > info@punkt.de > > AG Mannheim 108285 > Gesch??ftsf??hrer: J??rgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein > -- Member - Liberal International This is doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Ici doctor@@nl2k.ab.ca Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Put more trust in nobility of character than in an oath. -Solon From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 20:32:43 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BDA3735E0 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:32:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "GoGetSSL RSA DV CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD19627sgz4Fs4 for ; 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.674]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[riseup.net,freebsd.org,yahoo.com] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:53:04 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 4:01 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:09:15 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > spent 7 weeks denying that it was needed because they did block level > disk > > backups (I would love to hear from any DBA who would trust such > > backups!!!) > > Well so long as it streamed all changes to the backup in real time > and was guaranteed never to lose a block no matter what then I might trust > it for hot swap purposes but not for disaster recovery. > That is the reason why we requested replication not backup! (see below for what the hosting company absolutely refused to understand/believe) Did I mention that the database *MUST* stay up 24/7 since it is receiving real-time cardiac data for patients that are known (or at least strongly suspected to have heart conditions serious enough to need potential emergency open heart surgery) and the DB recieves over 1000 updates every 3 seconds that need to be processed in near real time? So no it is not possible to take it down (as is recommended by the MySQL manual and/or almost every blog out there)... So in order to avoid corrupting the DB on restore by backup incomplete transactions the only way is to lock the tables before backing it up (something that can only be done inside the DB not external with block only backups)... only problem here is it takes longer to back them up then 3 seconds and the client software is written by complete morons (who for example never even heard of concurrency as far we can tell) and thus just silent drops any data that can not be written to the DB (they blindly assume everything is a successful write). So therefore block backups are completely out the question (btw the DB is 21 GB and growing at 500 MB a month)... Let add one more complication the client wants us to auto populate the MySQL DB from our webapp DB which is on a physically separate machine, but refuses to buy a second license for the device DB software and thus we are forced to do our development/alpha testing on live data (i.e. we *MUST* have completely working backups made every 15 mins or so). In short this is the kind of project that makes the developers (us) need the devices we have connected to our webapp much sooner than later (if we ever needed them at all outside of this project). Grey hair would be the best possible outcome of this project! -- Aryeh M. 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Ugh! I really don't miss end-user facing work :) There's something nice about having sysadmins as the most demanding customers. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 22:32:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E0F375DF1 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 22:32:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12a.google.com (mail-il1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD3q82kH9z4MqH for ; 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ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 22:32:21 -0000 On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:52:51 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > Let add one more complication the client wants us to auto populate the > > MySQL DB from our webapp DB which is on a physically separate machine, > but > > refuses to buy a second license for the device DB software and thus we > are > > forced to do our development/alpha testing on live data (i.e. we *MUST* > > have completely working backups made every 15 mins or so). > > Ugh! I really don't miss end-user facing work :) There's something > nice about having sysadmins as the most demanding customers. > Last kicker is the programmer that maintains the low level DB facing code in the device --> Windows server (only supports windows server running MySQL despite bing in Java [they hardcoded a lot of windows only data into the closed source code]) has only worked for the vendor since April while the VP of Engineering (who held the programmers job before April) refused to answer the following question saying it was irrelevant to having two programs updating the physical DB at once: "Are there any concurrency issues we need to aware when auto populating the patient data?" (ok "refused" is too polite of a description for what he actually said "don't go down that rabbit hole, this conversation is over!" [and hangs up on us by slamming the phone down].... this despite direct orders from the CEO to give all possible aid and answers). We asked this question after he said that the tables/queries we were updating where not used and/or referenced any the real time data (despite the fact that we can so clear as day in the transaction log that it did reference it and that the real time data referenced it but in such a way that it was clear there was DB like communication going on that was hidden to us [the real time data referred to the keys of records that had not been created yet but where created right after their reference in the real time data for the first time!])... Oh forgot to mention internal DB ID's are not auto generated or auto incremented by computed by counting the number of rows and adding one in the current table. The vendor so incompetent it is beyond me how the FDA ever approved this device! (Sadly we know how the FDA approved it because the above is slightly above average for the software engineering quality of medical device software).... If being sick doesn't kill the cure will if it involves medical software! (which is required by law for record keeping if nothing else) -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays > C:\>WIN | A better way to focus the sun > The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see > You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 23:03:49 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D8137692D for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:03:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (static-71-163-255-121.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.163.255.121]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail", Issuer "mail" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD4WS6trgz4P8W for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:03:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from tripel.monochrome.org (tripel.monochrome.org [192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 06ON3fqQ060142; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:03:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:03:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: Aryeh Friedman cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <800f33cd-0dc1-1ae9-2262-a374bf8c10dd@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200724170348.51f108ec@archlinux> <1273868562.6647660.1595604615652@mail.yahoo.com> <20200724183331.6363d69c@archlinux> <20200724210127.7d05e22bd81b95388adf32ba@sohara.org> <20200724215949.854b5bc9199b5ae2e6678dc0@sohara.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD4WS6trgz4P8W X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of chris@monochrome.org has no SPF policy when checking 71.163.255.121) smtp.mailfrom=chris@monochrome.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.33 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.52)[-0.518]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.26)[0.264]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.32)[-0.315]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[monochrome.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:701, ipnet:71.163.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:03:50 -0000 I wasn't going to go down this hole, but here we go. See below. On Fri, 24 Jul 2020, Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 5:00 PM Steve O'Hara-Smith > wrote: > >> On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:52:51 -0400 >> Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> >>> Let add one more complication the client wants us to auto populate >>> the MySQL DB from our webapp DB which is on a physically separate >>> machine, but refuses to buy a second license for the device DB >>> software and thus we are forced to do our development/alpha testing >>> on live data (i.e. we *MUST* have completely working backups made >>> every 15 mins or so). >> >> Ugh! I really don't miss end-user facing work :) There's >> something nice about having sysadmins as the most demanding >> customers. [ snip ] > the VP of Engineering (who held the programmers job before April) > refused to answer the following question saying it was irrelevant to > having two programs updating the physical DB at once: "Are there any > concurrency issues we need to aware when auto populating the patient > data?" (ok "refused" is too polite of a description for what he > actually said "don't go down that rabbit hole, this conversation is > over!" [and hangs up on us by slamming the phone down].... this > despite direct orders from the CEO to give all possible aid and > answers). I wish I could be surprised at this. It's very common for top-level employees in $DEPARTMENT to get promoted to manager or VP of $DEPARTMENT. But if I'm a good software engineer, that doesn't mean I'd make a good manager (or executive). They are entirely different skill sets. I've learned this many times. [ snip and snip again ] -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 23:30:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256AF377025 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:30:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gromit.dlib.vt.edu", Issuer "Chumby Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD56M1DmXz4QPp for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.gromit23.net (c-98-244-101-97.hsd1.va.comcast.net [98.244.101.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B47630C; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux From: Paul Mather In-Reply-To: <20200724185605.598068c18440361a173b4e60@sohara.org> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:30:33 -0400 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3621691B-7397-4E96-BB2C-30DB13C4F59D@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> References: <20E68F58-D924-4EE5-8919-93E27FDF94C4@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <20200724185605.598068c18440361a173b4e60@sohara.org> To: Steve O'Hara-Smith X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD56M1DmXz4QPp X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=vt.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.173.49.70) smtp.mailfrom=paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.32 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.905]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.72)[-0.722]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[98.244.101.97:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-0.198]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1312, ipnet:128.173.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[vt.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:30:36 -0000 On Jul 24, 2020, at 1:56 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith = wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:00:16 -0400 > Paul Mather wrote: >=20 >> Whenever Docker comes up, it seems to me that in the FreeBSD world = the >> cry that goes up is "they're just like jails." In my experience, = though, >> FreeBSD jails are more heavyweight than Docker containers. Jails in >> FreeBSD are more analogous to using LXD in Linux---lightweight OS >> virtualisation. >=20 > I think you mean LXC in Linux - Docker the engine is a built on = top > of LXC and filesystem layering. These days LXC is fronted by = containerd in > Docker which I believe allows for using other container technologies. No, I meant LXD (https://linuxcontainers.org/lxd/), but I admit my use = was confusing (as LXD !=3D Docker). I was using LXD as an example in = the Linux world of what iocage or ezjail or Bastile or pot or cbsd would = be in the FreeBSD world---as a framework for managing lightweight OS = servers. In other words, to me, LXD is closer in spirit (more so than = Docker) to the way jails are used and managed by tools like iocage et = al. in FreeBSD. I agree that LXC is the basis of containers in Linux. LXD itself is = just a management tool over LXC. >> (What you say sounds like LXD OS containers to me.) What people want >=20 > LXC =3D=3D jails. Docker is a layer built on top of LXC and = layered > VFS mounts. It is perfectly possible to build something like Docker on = top > of jails, it is probably even possible to make Docker use jails. Of = course > the library of LXC based images would be useless but the stack on up = to > swarm and Kubernetes would all work. It would be nice to make Docker use jails. I agree, the existing = LXC-based images would be unusable (though not all LXC images are built = and available for all architectures supported by LXC---most are for = x86), but like Docker Windows Containers, an ecosystem for = FreeBSD-compatible Docker containers could emerge. (And, with a bhyve = plugin for docker-machine, all the LXC images would be useful.) The = limitation is likely not technological but one of community and support. Cheers, Paul. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 24 23:59:41 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CF6377A32 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plmahan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62e.google.com (mail-ej1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD5lw12B7z4RQ1 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:59:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plmahan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id rk21so11624413ejb.2 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:59:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hSSg6ZCZ1820e3C8Xn9dpX2HDLwDd1JNZPDK0M99BuA=; b=ZT+3OuHKA0wtLRJPw+YAss7rcQMHEJhKOs8MaGpsCENFEbfwq0fn7Avt7QPs2csmJ+ 6eK3cqfsANpcJdr29nzCY350DhibiKbAJzUAGtN/RKPCK/ANkmmiZSKoPp+HshiiCRSB kWAabNsNOld7aZHDzMJgscQ40MBuI7dzVweRhnQVIS76CWZMlkHxXY74h3+WKwg9L/vB GHpdLgAVWH/NnurbR5cmc6SFqQsWep2xJUPtFL+pyKpzWFf0CHhBHL53fg+fZQMAkwnJ U146DUC5D3Gaf+1FhoLKyWDk6eQfcxUGNp0T0O5GA9jYkkpgfJJtwG2UBpaACwA9flY1 GYiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hSSg6ZCZ1820e3C8Xn9dpX2HDLwDd1JNZPDK0M99BuA=; b=g//UaV62AuLzos2B53TARbM1zwwgWziPZJP+AxASxCt56K5BEnIoo7ZZULr8MkKMC4 y0j8kCJ+Ugyvvm0M+a1WcRIS/7pJ0eRzlbsrQkylCaSzM1WFdYmGZ8bpy+JTo02v2eSU //z8jOiEngoe+fa39K2jpZtVY3qkWWSI4Uty1yQg6SU6S8hVqtLCzo7H1HceTArVc2S7 Gq9O02nORKDZx+HOOZ/rzQ92T8FVK7PzbHJ+xXfPJZzrmMNPJW32HJQoFGiwPONkDvmi wo1EYWB2pjNHFWAp8P4dx7hCusSsmbcm75VUvucFNiyZVETuqrEMIe2f+fNWVjKPqKbH mXxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531i5ZcELu+bQfW+8jIq7L+Z2F/rI4KgzCqwuB3UqoGgQcjzCoMS 5YPVqGsWLdt9N3b5hr7+HJEvhxj8igwxQ77kCMEm/MJq X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzZmULVwNAU2NG7b4KnuA+7/Go+FmTbHX5YJ/y0s33HDcfqwSAJYT8eSvUI8NyD0Ciajdco9izWbX1Ng/ayfyA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:1db1:: with SMTP id u17mr11128655ejh.72.1595635178387; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:59:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Patrick Mahan Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:59:27 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Slowing network speed To: Lars Liedtke Cc: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD5lw12B7z4RQ1 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZT+3OuHK; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of plmahan@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::62e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=plmahan@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.64 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.974]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.04)[-1.040]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62e:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.62)[-0.624]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:59:41 -0000 ping is not a good indicate of network speed since most ping packets are small. Network performance depends on many issue. Most notably the total amount of data being transmitted, what TCP congestion algorithm is in effect, how much kernel buffer space, etc. You can increase the size of the ping packet using the '-s' option, or use the ping sweep options (-G -g ) etc. See ping(8). Interface packet status can be retrieved using 'netstat -I ' Other stats can be pulled using 'netstat -4 -x' (for IPv4 packet buffer using, delayed acks, retransmissions, etc). See netstat(8). Traceroute is only semi-useful as it relies on ICMP error response which are throttled by many routers. iperf requires that you have a remote port you can talk to to send and receive traffic. Good luck, Patrick On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 6:52 AM Lars Liedtke wrote: > Hello, > > The first things coming to my mind > > are ping, traceroute and iperf > > Lars > > Am 24.07.20 um 14:38 schrieb The Doctor via freebsd-questions: > > Just wondering how you test a device for seemingly slow network speed. > > -- > --- > punkt.de GmbH > Lars Liedtke > .infrastructure > > Kaiserallee 13a > 76133 Karlsruhe > > Tel. +49 721 9109 500 > https://infrastructure.punkt.de > info@punkt.de > > AG Mannheim 108285 > Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: J=C3=BCrgen Egeling, Daniel Lienert, Fabian St= ein > > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 00:18:29 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952DA37870A for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 00:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=ozwQ=BE=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from mail.sermon-archive.info (sermon-archive.info [71.177.216.148]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD69c4mYtz4SqN for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 00:18:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from SRS0=ozwQ=BE=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info) Received: from [10.0.1.251] (mini [10.0.1.251]) by mail.sermon-archive.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4BD69b1w9Hz2fjRM; Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Slowing network speed From: Doug Hardie In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:18:26 -0700 Cc: Lars Liedtke , User Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200724123844.GA24036@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: Patrick Mahan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.101.4 at mail X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD69c4mYtz4SqN X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of SRS0=ozwQ=BE=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info designates 71.177.216.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=SRS0=ozwQ=BE=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.45 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[bc979@lafn.org,SRS0=ozwQ=BE=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:71.177.216.148]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[lafn.org: no valid DMARC record]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.84)[-0.836]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.34)[-0.339]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.88)[-0.877]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:5650, ipnet:71.177.216.0/23, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bc979@lafn.org, SRS0=ozwQ=BE=mail.sermon-archive.info=doug@sermon-archive.info] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 00:18:29 -0000 > On 24 July 2020, at 16:59, Patrick Mahan wrote: >=20 > ping is not a good indicate of network speed since most ping packets = are > small. Network performance depends on many issue. Most notably the = total > amount of data being transmitted, what TCP congestion algorithm is in > effect, how much kernel buffer space, etc. >=20 > You can increase the size of the ping packet using the '-s' option, or = use > the ping sweep options (-G -g ) etc. See ping(8). >=20 > Interface packet status can be retrieved using 'netstat -I = ' > Other stats can be pulled using 'netstat -4 -x' (for IPv4 packet = buffer > using, delayed acks, retransmissions, etc). See netstat(8). >=20 > Traceroute is only semi-useful as it relies on ICMP error response = which > are throttled by many routers. >=20 > iperf requires that you have a remote port you can talk to to send and > receive traffic. I have found that mtr (in the ports) is a good diagnostic tool for = networks. It combines traceroute and ping into one function that works = a lot faster than traceroute. I use the mtr-nox11 port as it is purely = a command line tool. 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The dmesg -a command will show these to you to read at your own pace. When you issue the shutdown or halt command a bunch of different messages roll across the screen to fast to read. Is there a way view these messages after the system comes back up later? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 01:25:06 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B9A379E3E for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:25:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BD7fT0rjLz4Xg2 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.23.103]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MNso2-1kADfa0zcm-00OIZP; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 03:25:02 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 03:25:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: How to see shutdown log Message-Id: <20200725032502.5e0a272b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5F1B8399.6000502@gmail.com> References: <5F1B8399.6000502@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Nw2908wL55m0Xi+wSBbZWqcFm792PNbxHctLSu5Hd4tJnsbfmrT 0ixhtmX8S1H/8y85tLdWh8enpxZUmYSDsm/vMaD0OaR2BMyjQtBnUYJxQTRpwGkE//zDRX7 4GEGeyqnpXnDcDNX8TwsYziElcY37SaBf7cotEgxB6M3iXKirDVExZXGmXC/7S373Lgj69w wMv9TX2p0PSec8mpABLMA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:8Z9IvEC+SII=:2brFCVP1IhqFvS8i5e7zxC VQPEovoeXw1utjpbTfG/uhgAogSI23bmAixf0T+/4FPq2jbM/487id63Bka66zN9iZ0JA2MkE 5Pn5l4u8/eeCblJ0UZPzKc8v+XD5skwtpDukkMtQ0D+AsWVFQfnFHH9Vb22tBtXVu+8xiWgVd n1oVxYVGZ7k4FmU2p6LAby0TQIu7oqH4Lj5NDjagyY78bFiAJJqaecT1o774JX/IzcuvrnCnH CkgXOHm1GNc/7GG1eVKZSUOtKwXLSOAnfMojM2CjxKnud3gwVYxAAPPUbm5crEv9iqnlqwA3j O8TGf6PSgr54VV0wWT8ZwJLlh2ZBE86sDdclokzKJFJr2mVz851KiPYfVJeavjUiVRRrWYZhR nuPTqAZQVj7iRz5VSaTwO8FmcV0rtVPtzOXSt9jSuKVZOiCPtEdWWrw70fH+5q/Ro6tkhS/W2 dUGjHeS9eP41eBVTRG52KJUwBs9beUAfvM5wIlf7ePadclcL4nMLODH5RoimarQ1RGy+Ohvuj Tb9azDzlmVGjPzJ5FCe4yNH7IHjUkOFKYpxO0GSaSEDtrCiOAAUKsIEZxkGa3PCAPAXEk8/ZW Nq1JtYb17YWj3KBMVpvdVHEFlUlk5jXEkgVPK++2vSO6N+2PSdgp+ImzkanJ65DTCC/+4A260 cX2qz3YP+huFlYevpdZfZQExFtyFcsPdNaKam399XeUlP57/K7xCaJBN+gQgE5Pj48T3oMwWx LJ6JPcHBOkiNALh/XZsev6XqweqiMhW51nlPgk6QxZ7W/i48b5/GwLLg30AIBvPXNa3Z75M5z p+FYkFzjDnnczkUceufTe7Yu1fpl9KpRoNFekr/72lF2IQR2SkrYbaV+EGUWIQEmB5mTIPr X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BD7fT0rjLz4Xg2 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.24) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.06 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.56)[-0.558]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.23.103:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.26)[-0.263]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.48)[0.479]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:25:06 -0000 On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:58:01 -0400, Ernie Luzar wrote: > When you boot the system a bunch of messages roll across the screen to > fast to read. The dmesg -a command will show these to you to read at > your own pace. When you issue the shutdown or halt command a bunch of > different messages roll across the screen to fast to read. > > Is there a way view these messages after the system comes back up later? Yes, those are located to /var/log/messages, as long as filesystem access is possible; the last kernel messages therefore aren't being logged. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[hotmail.com:s=selector1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.96)[0.965]; BAD_REP_POLICIES(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.003]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:30:34 -0000 On 2020-07-25 06:28, Ernie Luzar wrote: > When you boot the system a bunch of messages roll across the screen to > fast to read. The dmesg -a command will show these to you to read at > your own pace. When you issue the shutdown or halt command a bunch of > different messages roll across the screen to fast to read. > > Is there a way view these messages after the system comes back up later? Perhaps : cat /var/log/messages ? 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It combines traceroute and ping into one function that works a lot faster than traceroute. I use the mtr-nox11 port as it is purely a command line tool. It gives you a good idea where in the network bottlenecks are occurring. Thank you, Doug! That sounds like a very useful tool! :D -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * **************************************************** From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 05:24:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5712737E68A for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:24:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDDyg2ls9z3VF2 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=fUrJYP7CcmPdHfqKcXyduq1oU9brqZUYIkLcd/uch5w=; b=ZWRG9nmAbpOAbKDMTFm4FPxrcg sZAW5/P2Szdb7HuoquxqqxUrXrGU6fR+h9tj9905X/o0hywAp9wgUy2Ol6hTHDoKWdnEd0V6p18x9 sFyft8LCrP7bfqfH/bkSObqpexL+twnPuq6EPjL4K4IVRDqCXucWNCBYHn/dxyvfUTkE=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzCfS-000O9E-Qs; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:24:18 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:24:18 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Sergey Matveev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725052418.GA92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055608.GA64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724101611.GA49600@stargrave.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200724101611.GA49600@stargrave.org> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDDyg2ls9z3VF2 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=ZWRG9nmA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.76 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.995]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.997]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.76)[-0.764]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:24:28 -0000 Sergey Matveev wrote: > >On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:56 AM Victor Sudakov wrote: > >> Unfortunately this nice advantage is not available under UEFI boot. > > > >Works for me just fine on a MSI B450 motherboard (worked on the first try > >with default BIOS settings) > > ZFS root works without any problems under UEFI on my hardware too. No > difference is it UEFI or not. http://www.stargrave.org/FreeBSD-installation.html ZFS root works. Boot Environments don't work under UEFI (at least partially, or at least under bhyve's UEFI). I suggest a simple test to you. Create a BE named "test1" and activate it for the next boot only: bectl activate -t test1 reboot After reboot you'll see that you are again in your default BE, not in "test1". -- Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 05:35:27 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEC537EA0B for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDFCM0Tcfz3VvK for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=8kUAbQMuXiG+MODu509f4iixbkN/a6zI8xwJpTfkmQA=; b=Nd4VsftXlKKxiI3eI3/tH4Bewp Lpox5AF2H8BzieL2vQNT/PNflxiIA6/cb+L9+BZ1oLNymNyq9wmiY1bNFyso1PiwtOiQxwn02lJT6 XFuhDejWjrswKmFpKgZW0CLBaV2VJucN7WZqwKTR5+/iClks4k3W4La3p2v+82pEqu+M=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzCqD-000ODU-Rz for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:35:25 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:35:25 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725053525.GB92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDFCM0Tcfz3VvK X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Nd4VsftX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.93 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.070]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.751]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:35:27 -0000 --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Christos Chatzaras wrote: >=20 > > Depends how you define "getting in the way." If the real work you want > > to do is running multiple versions of PHP, for example, then FreeBSD's > > packaging system does "get in the way." >=20 > I use jails for multiple PHP versions and I prefer it this way because > it's a neat method and keeps my main system "clean" from EOLed PHP > versions. Not necessarily EOLed. On FreeBSD you can't even have the supported lang/php7{2,3,4} simultaneously which is nonsense and should not require jails.=20 We can have multiple Python versions without jails, what's wrong with PHP? --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG8SdAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0y7QH/Rc3TiELg3vhAIRE/yR2usW6 drV53kEaO6oVkr6oKMQdHERB3cpqb+H4bcSGcQaBW2hUyK51reV/Mjt9ISspblhh 2BMkKp1GzDKWEU0L76r4p7Na6Z846P8kg+vTC8ctGqX0DAhXVHBg+UKW+BQG34cO 3/9M/HQR+BCG98hfg5P2R+P/EghNiBiAfkZzZe9HnfNsjQqCDyblIBfiHWtk4SK/ YvDPagJ+NDNjkoiPDNrvwXzDmcA7TW4DKzuHLyXGHD9R8YaMdVpabV+W2bRkD4w2 Ojs3hjBiaSEmiyMVb7UMM6EmesW3XJgqULe1Lc4mMlJmZbbpYol52IAA9IKJrBY= =oUR5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UlVJffcvxoiEqYs2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 05:54:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2654E37EE38 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDFdd2YLZz3W85 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:54:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=JHrjsCmwQHVhiq55gUzuKkofzXfkwPXwRiZN++Tng8M=; b=mjtHuMBXfPS3a5UiJY1i1Msm8d wxiPMgKKWVX3DVRII2gGmuOeStT6LdAKxkRmSax4awPGFc0tKMlrczilG9E7wwBvcw5+GC3Yn2/SR gG/6QO2tXFKhbWLQFxfjrXt9nTsVgNNJ4BNmFJtCQ0MFXBwVFlWfZl4pAzGXkY2wtBpY=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzD8u-000OIK-0f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:54:44 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:54:44 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725055444.GC92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <25b4ef9e-81a2-09e8-8dd3-f2e4733c4b5c@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <25b4ef9e-81a2-09e8-8dd3-f2e4733c4b5c@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDFdd2YLZz3W85 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=mjtHuMBX; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.071]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.860]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 05:54:46 -0000 --KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valeri Galtsev wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 7/24/20 4:28 AM, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > On 2020-07-24 10:50, Christos Chatzaras wrote: > >=20 > > > I use jails for multiple PHP versions and I prefer it this way > > > because it's a neat method and keeps my main system "clean" from > > > EOLed PHP versions. > >=20 > > I always install PHP only in jails, as it keeps my system "clean" of > > something for which there's always a security hole being announced in a > > few days :) > >=20 >=20 > I fully agree with you. The whole flame war of this thread is between "I > want my system just work and have everything without effort" and "I want = my > system really secure".=20 Incorrect conclusion. The issues of live detection of Amazon EBS volumes (without reboot), or the lack of native docker, or the lack of advanced Zabbix monitoring are in no way related to ease of use or real security. And there is nothing wrong with "a system that just works" because when it comes to industrial use, you need scalability and as little manual labour as possible, not a gem you polish as a hobby. PS I'm aware that Colin Percival is working on EBS volumes hotplug, new AMIs for different architectures and other virtualization issues, and I even support him a little on Patreon. Probably this is just due to lack of financial and human resources that FreeBSD being technologically brilliant now lacks that and that and that... --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG8kjAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0tn4H/RalIITgKQHqLe2ZJr9CRCiL O/+P4adNehrtPIDLWmdB+nMNOHNOg/MlZ0gYOpk5AO8eUPyYxUT2O+oHcTKkGbea eYxUJblEjLBIdcASKgGptc8fVuwqdHvwGWAt+eqCHI8gEuu7PJ7+mZv3oqZKLlst 3L98M+Yb0HBHGs9ysADdO5hmvBM67LfJdmy5tzT2/DGhnen1bjUhP/TQWlSD3vXx zqkREVsekq0TupWJWhPUP/XscLi6q57uZBsDsCIC3+/0X5WDwrT4mcAXuZd8gfa7 WwDrgqcK8jR3sH54Z4S2ZxYjmckXVSBVTQp/wssjM7b6czFvUF7yh2MhpwC8OjA= =YgNB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KFztAG8eRSV9hGtP-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 06:03:24 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B9637F227 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:03:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDFqc2bG1z3WZn for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:03:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=xs6V8MY698mQbDSAQIbX+/mfILID4vutriKy8TQMP3Y=; b=pg8zQCuaTa+qAbsgkud+fJ4mRK KDNRUTuZzstM/cr5m0ZXedQcgkRI8TmllDqsVSlwOfgcOICIqDGz5oI/AvYW7RmG95u3/yScobp8v tcGX2IWFw5y8n3Y10Iwz5wqoZDj86rsibcWY/iAZpMClqROmcDKLubr76NLACzvq0wWI=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzDHG-000OL9-W2 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:03:23 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:03:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725060322.GD92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200724075954.435fa2fc@archlinux> <7B44C0A4-FCB5-4703-837B-AF2D28667306@boosten.org> <52174f02-7f87-bde3-3410-9f2d7c5efb2b@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52174f02-7f87-bde3-3410-9f2d7c5efb2b@kicp.uchicago.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDFqc2bG1z3WZn X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=pg8zQCua; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.071]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.011]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.862]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:03:24 -0000 --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valeri Galtsev wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 7/24/20 4:24 AM, Peter Boosten via freebsd-questions wrote: > > I love FreeBSD a lot, but the pkg system could be more intelligent, for= instance I have a gitlab server: in linux, the binaries are updated and al= l necessary scripts are run to update the database as well. > >=20 > > pkg stops after the binary upgrade and presents a webpage with all sort= of manual stuff. This notice is lost if you upgrade a lot of packages > >=20 >=20 > I do love when things are done on their own without me doing them, like > things you complain FreeBSD pkg doesn't. But one has to come to realize t= hat > for that getting done without you all the way there is [only one I know] > solution: just hire good sysadmin ;-) I know another solution, and it's free: migrate to Debian :-) I share this solution with you for free, now you know two. Seriously though, the Debian team is even overdoing things in their effort to make everything super-convenient and effortless. Just look at their PostgreSQL server management framework (they took the trouble to write all that stuff, and even integrate Patroni into it!). --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG8sqAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY012MIAJIoOAXUlQDT9LjJFnXq1ZvY ViFtMLPyFG2HiQcAbUR0gTqXHvGVz8jY2bVjPdi1bRHkTLGsZNYyvjErWzSGKdXp Ug3pOP3ZQQ8Axp88yf3jt+VzTm539Lm6JpdSxWpIVBXPkgMf+BV9air1C3MjQgjT OLRSPHGfQeAGb2su2DwIxMqbZAbVNqRs0D+KDQc9CnbkRLBoWkpULZcsoYJKoc9v tkhv30+0FkNeYTZD098BQ64KpkhRukuA3vVtzMOf6FhM/ae707CZ4s3ovehrR2Tr B6k2LBI4hFjyMTwslSKgFLYHUiSgmwN1CTicsJlTU23iDU0Ul191ybtSqaXy1z0= =6cqX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iFRdW5/EC4oqxDHL-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 06:37:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB17B3A1024 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:37:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDGb30knwz3YLL for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:37:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=xJ0af1nHJYntaiySOC0WWdthCKk3jipsf7CGemOxSqI=; b=kifZ2kw5WVMRIP8BPM+GeJSEhE 4zuGlhGMYlanv3dJz024sPjrB88PAv/qlR41cueme5KhJ84OjhqV5SXdaG+9hXDGxbQLj4VKcEDiF F3atir5AqiH8QmFgWsZLp8HZ/Aib7JfguV2jamHVhQJMjWL0CZLWTsIWNY+sTxFq4XIU=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzDoL-000OTv-B0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:37:33 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:37:33 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725063733.GE92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724122127.08ea76b6881fd483dc212287@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200724122127.08ea76b6881fd483dc212287@sohara.org> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDGb30knwz3YLL X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=kifZ2kw5; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.05 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.071]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.013]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.87)[-0.866]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:37:35 -0000 --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >=20 > > Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > > 1. Debian can run several versions of PHP, PostgreSQL and some other > > software simultaneously (without manual efforts with jails, chroots >=20 > Hmmm ... FreeBSD supports multiple versions of Python, what's wrong with PHP? Is it some principled position, or just lack of resources or money to implement? >=20 > > 3. FreeBSD lacks a native docker (what prevents from fixing >=20 > Isn't the whole point of docker to package applications in > containers so that (among other simplifications) there was no need to > support multiple versions of services in the same environment. >=20 > One service, one container works just as well in jails as in > docker,=20 We can't compare docker and jails like that. Jails is just a process isolation technology. Docker is a ready product (based on the Linux equivalents of jails, mount_unionfs etc). When iocage or pot are mature enough (hopefully), we well be able to compare docker vs iocage, and this would be a fair comparison. > granted it's not as easy as writing a yaml file and watching a > poorly understood swarm of thousands of containers spring to life and > provide a load-balanced service, but it isn't hard especially with iocage > templates. Glad you understand that. Many people touting jail don't realize it. >=20 > Personally I always run services in single service jails and have > done for a lot longer than docker has existed.=20 It could be great if FreeBSD provided an infrastructure for this. If for example, for every service XXX there existed a XXX_enable=3D"YES" XXX_jailed=3D"jail1" That would be a huge advantage. >=20 > I have systems which have been steadily upgraded from 8. to > 12.1 with only a single (easily corrected) upgrade glitch (the drm_kmod > issue) and not a single byte of data lost. Standard advice in Linux world > regarding major version upgrades seems to be "Don't do it and if you do > expect breakage". That is a *major* technological advantage. I fully agree with you here, especially taking into account that Linuxes lack the notion of the base system and boot environments. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG9MtAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0WRoH/2gd6ybd2t6SnVWTkbeGKWy2 UlcwbupRxEMbK5zX4hrB+dkqEGQ/Ge3dhQmRnZDLdIJ+ZgspsNWr1lIDjkbpmSJa sa/FYWNmdarh4DS7NJfr4TFHE9vwyw0qmb/wjmDIwyaVHefVHGWBPCH0Z6hGsyU9 iq2lW9JoL9pLEr8PC/RzCHcINhYeYlISD1UDD5+TuGc3fHALDpFBZ1fXEUxAB1zU 0XSadoTNyrooFr58dZg3T9iy7xR9pVf2MvZrUP2usu7Ik45/qcrxLi4+b/AGe0s5 ofztRbBYk/USQ3r6pOv6FkYAKrucCCqCIHf/Cwxj0dhenNXF9hH2+ia6Q3Rm9dQ= =Q510 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hoZxPH4CaxYzWscb-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 06:49:25 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A032F3A11CD for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:49:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDGrh6nrFz3Yyh for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=jASwNqYE9nH3l+DmRpy6+YrosCyzuFa9dS+/zNPT05M=; b=Vdk+OXGuMlxUthR5TG54ho0xYb jWSGsS2wAkfDocR3epTz53ur3Rt33Ps22a+W3XQ6rbg2tiKaYNZPcig2uwXGMXfTtPqX+IyDHaawi IEIxN6Gx2eE8uk1BnRBa2WM2qGiaGXGKux1+TGv0STUB2cve8qpQwhXNR1yrFwAubp2U=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzDzn-000OXM-OG for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:49:23 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:49:23 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725064923.GF92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wTWi5aaYRw9ix9vO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDGrh6nrFz3Yyh X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Vdk+OXGu; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.070]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.856]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:49:25 -0000 --wTWi5aaYRw9ix9vO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob Belics wrote: > 1) I'm pretty sure you can but it's not automatic. Is it automatic on > Debian? I cannot even call it "automatic". It's as simple as running "apt install -y php7.3 php7.2" >=20 > 2) Isn't that an AWS setup problem and not a FreeBSD one? If it works for Linux and does not work for FreeBSD, then it's probably not an AWS problem. The "hardware" (virtualized) is the same. >=20 > 3) Linux doesn't run jails. That's a technical disadvantage of Linux and > why I won't run it. Linux runs other containerization technologies, they are not called "jails" but the idea is just the same. Read up more on Linux containerization. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --wTWi5aaYRw9ix9vO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG9XzAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0o6UH/0XNeWNT/MpElw9D+wKhhZTd 0xWYYRFDKGpldHdc+8mjDZ+eKKNoTh6b4K6cIHpiLqO9WSHmn2+vjFF3Y1v/ucQf NFJnRo7f6SYSrRwMJ7khvNK5qfxRnUkySof/fomtwRjA8C7YsVrspIwu/JzsIzXU AX78TcLDOpbKK+GsMvl1Icn6m/+5CViTiTnIzlINWhsXIANR7flWyRGpx634a3rT vYU2vnca5XhbZzsY4pAisT+m3dQx0eXbydmgiNQ1++vfSdGd8/rXoqkYg3/HLyNp HEMfG105dfUL92OdCP1TTfH83RWhwAKB/DsyZzsAoHO6FWvxbttrCKEzKT5D3eM= =KgED -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wTWi5aaYRw9ix9vO-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 06:55:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7EE3A1274 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:55:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDGzz6Zxpz3ZMK for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=6RUe8zS/7vuVRR4nPVxpBxRFpzwCXuZxkeHG6wRCbsw=; b=gx/NcHNbgrW6EEF9yLstPTRGJB ePvaIteFKUJnR5el2Z+DJ1M8hHE/9RTB1b0BvNZKOTm5TIXkgPObqH/lAAdlSGUs+eGYDbKWq0FuA 36PGe9SdCyYe55xOvv1Bxqzauth7y24uyfI7KpGCUvfKbKexFHuWRYLl+GOZXM7NVZWI=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzE5u-000OZe-RZ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:55:42 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:55:42 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725065542.GG92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <9135C5C9-B955-4082-8EE9-996B14A68C3C@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ULyIDA2m8JTe+TiX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9135C5C9-B955-4082-8EE9-996B14A68C3C@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDGzz6Zxpz3ZMK X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=gx/NcHNb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.070]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.859]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:55:44 -0000 --ULyIDA2m8JTe+TiX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Paul, You have intrigued me. Paul Mather wrote: >=20 >=20 > I also agree that this is a big disadvantage. Whenever I make my > donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, and they ask in the donation form > for comments on what you want them to work/focus on in the future, I > always put a plug in for a native bhyve driver for docker-machine. What would be run by the docker-machine in bhyve?=20 > This would go some way to putting it on a par with Docker under macOS, > which uses HyperKit to interface with the built-in hypervisor under > macOS (which is based on bhyve). MacOS is considered a "first class > citizen" under the Docker ecosystem, or at least has great support via > Docker Desktop. What does MacOS run in its hypervisor by the docker-machine? Some linux flavor? It does not have a native docker server, does it? > Last I looked, FreeBSD only supported VirtualBox with > docker-machine. It would be great to have native bhyve support. I agree. But I thought, perhaps with the Linux binary compatibility, we could avoid running a Linux in bhyve? Or can we convince Docker to start supporting jails (just a dream)? --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --ULyIDA2m8JTe+TiX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG9duAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0WR4IAKTYJts/TuBVOhhzr7i2SXA0 Z4aBOzvpaHnx0Tp2Czl+Whsvv1ZJ7j9K3yMZQTTb1ZgYm8x0jhnkTt8vkyX2p7Rn MXgnxcO2Gf8OxZa7W+dUr88vBy5BJX3RTw1VrcAX/WYgksDCu0MVZsRG1keqQyNg VUtiXyOY7mtMvI1tUQiSB49sCmkTnSRo2iOpfR9OUQ6yI+BLHE/4oIZNjyGxStTP Vo+0fNojJ8ls01tZ1fb9DWIa8Sx3cKhd31EKDUIuSNP6oAX1oKRqcoWBxf2aOI0F wdiGENesgk4eHjxnRUeW57C8KYA2KLbP+usm3HsQxuJW0TO5fdqFThTzJ+STxMo= =OXqh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ULyIDA2m8JTe+TiX-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 06:59:44 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA8B3A1560 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:59:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDH4b72kLz3ZNQ for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=ObD5lXO+2CGZEyqw3nOVxsO0jhzYHf9rhuRSSZXV/Dc=; b=Rf4NqV+Bbm4iT9TnLSYLMonQdG 5zSCnhPnDacA4oV43Jb7KC4UtAFFzZbI9cadBctOBQEDqCSiHD7bw/Ait+wFRsqiaH+9svBhG0HX3 YsduWcm/ovekX0xu07byguUVGPCftPGGzoIR1sWYd9sih3QM+eW47eueZ+8oPzIBYb/0=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzE9m-000Ob9-Tl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:59:42 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:59:42 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725065942.GH92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0z5c7mBtSy1wdr4F" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDH4b72kLz3ZNQ X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Rf4NqV+B; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.071]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.85)[-0.855]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:59:44 -0000 --0z5c7mBtSy1wdr4F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul Mather wrote: >=20 > So, in the GitLab case, I would say it's more of a support advantage of L= inux, not a technological advantage. Yes, unfortunately there are many such cases too. The lack of advanced Zabb= ix templates I mentioned is also a support advantage of Linux rather than a=20 technological one. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --0z5c7mBtSy1wdr4F Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG9heAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0zQUIALseIs+D+VMUJqxR2rtsV5au Fmb98KiwhPWxWFnqhmc1EERMemfFyz4AIHqvtlhVVvn/uVgu+e7yBe0DoebmytiU kx74zwCbnR9spKLJVf5qwPiUnyBpqbzXrWCKlsfl31e7gj8ADQUuk9aW7DDZYoCR /Wx91vyzqY2AebRbVewnG1tLnIcXmq5yBVe2a5V+WdVT/Rxeq5yKeqZThQUsxVfC rcTMEgClLCKZzoTSMl2AczZrFoyWCPb4jGCCpc2WyjQrRVOKfWBXF/2mzYW7v81w bVpqlZNAsthlDTsKk5wDicnRSD0KRo3zDVF/z5GXgj5K/3D232DXEUE0esjh194= =u6fl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0z5c7mBtSy1wdr4F-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 07:05:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB463A19B9 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 07:05:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDHC65Hv7z3ZcK for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 07:05:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=WlIwzHT1oulEr+C/TGlSZxIt9+UeMjinurSnNLpkwRY=; b=VfoTl05GnJvUudzN/gmJz0+WiY d95eCzr4Tl5gOc8QMsD6BBA45sriDbu9kgXpjom+YBoJS8ijySTzOCKrg9xne9WFSzwV8YC5OeuYk JOVEztqSzaS8/GoaBe4cganfkx/AnbHsZgPKQC3JTPph74ezDvRbSY1ae64TZ6zJKjW8=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzEFF-000Od2-Ml for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:05:21 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:05:21 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725070521.GI92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <8865087C-275F-4671-AA6B-3792CB983089@boosten.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WRT3RXLOp/bBMgTI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDHC65Hv7z3ZcK X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=VfoTl05G; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.07)[-1.071]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.862]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 07:05:23 -0000 --WRT3RXLOp/bBMgTI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Valeri Galtsev wrote: >=20 > On 2020-07-24 12:55, Peter Boosten via freebsd-questions wrote: > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Are you running the "Omnibus" edition of GitLab under Linux? > >=20 > > Nope, just a plain =E2=80=98apt install gitlab-ce=E2=80=99 and =E2=80= =98apt upgrade=E2=80=99 does the trick. > >=20 > > | it's more of a support advantage of Linux, not a technological advant= age. > >=20 > > Probably right. Don=E2=80=99t get me wrong: I like pkg, although it=E2= =80=99s sometimes a pita when it comes to packages that come from ports, be= cause of different options (like my postfix with mysql), and I have to lock= the package. > >=20 >=20 > As many others when not satisfied with pkg default built options, I use > poudriere, and have pkg get them from my poudriere repository. Examples: >=20 > mailman (to use postfix, not sendmail) >=20 > apache (to have LDAP authentication enabled) Have you been successful installing some selected packages from your own poudriere and others from pkg.freebsd.org? I tried several times and encountered problems with dependencies, so now I compile *all* packages in poudriere and use *only* my poudriere as a repo.=20 Quite time-consuming I must say: I cannot make poudriere fetch some packages in binary form, I think there is no support for that. So I end up compiling llvm, go, rust and other heavy stuff by myself. If you have know-how about mixing repos, please share it. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --WRT3RXLOp/bBMgTI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfG9mxAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0Mv0H/1Gy4MqzfjhXugt6+vEyVQTU 3SbTWN/yPUXw60M7T/yZutoRY9r4c8J+IpssZwiZ5yrWZ86lBGidAChhgFZuIwEA d5Ar1OLXP5FEb21joESNLeNSgRPABEYCGZjrGXp2WiWG1DybBNmQSWOtGFNo6Mta 3g1ndDcsXzjMkkQxj/xGM9BYRR2e1gJwRq7N4Lg8A8obth5vyI4SBBbc9y/E6bml edoEaojhn/J9Vxo2iKeulZ+M1vApC5JsRIvpq/U6nrjGGYk4ddGluuDhwMbeiADb jrmgeEIs0DQcmwSiPyZrICr/UsA/e0cdlS4t6Gk0xHrvTSc/89p2iKQPLDYWNQ4= =kFX3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WRT3RXLOp/bBMgTI-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 08:55:40 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13373A42A4 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 08:55:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200058da142.c076fe2b88d7a0443daccb5cfd98c70a@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDKfN1c57z3gwQ for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 08:55:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200058da142.c076fe2b88d7a0443daccb5cfd98c70a@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595667340; x=1598259340; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=EiQa6xynqNDFXspVs70KFtt1YRuGWPnQXEUm3aH6W/I=; b=rSBqK+5XY89DiROeOjhCVoroMBNJjALFZNt5myVnqQwlbGeh5PzEXnwUAIi84wiVGav405IOzziGgGbudZSux8ajwLmwgKAxLh3vHAEkJJTSU9fEJEIDV94KrdR6CItSMxQI6IPuJU7lU1tp0DMx3BdDG33tvciP6h9x8MfUGi0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDU4ZGExNDIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 25 Jul 2020 04:55:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 25 Jul 2020 04:55:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzFxk-0001FR-TT; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:55:24 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:55:24 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Victor Sudakov Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200725095524.466996ffc6b0b609e798ea3a@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200725070521.GI92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <19D548D4-BD63-4AF3-A92E-2D8F1A10F984@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> <8865087C-275F-4671-AA6B-3792CB983089@boosten.org> <20200725070521.GI92589@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDKfN1c57z3gwQ X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=rSBqK+5X; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c200058da142.c076fe2b88d7a0443daccb5cfd98c70a@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c200058da142.c076fe2b88d7a0443daccb5cfd98c70a@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.04 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.011]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.967]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.36)[-1.363]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200058da142.c076fe2b88d7a0443daccb5cfd98c70a@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200058da142.c076fe2b88d7a0443daccb5cfd98c70a@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 08:55:41 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:05:21 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > If you have know-how about mixing repos, please share it. IME mixed repos hurts, I find careful use of ports works quite well for a small number of specials. Careful in this case means using make missing to find and install dependencies from packages rather than ports, using pkg lock to prevent pkg from messing with the ports based ones, being prepared to check and possibly rebuild the port after a pkg upgrade and of course updating the ports tree from time to time and updating it (not forgetting to recheck make missing). That reads like more hassle than it really is. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 09:30:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69673A502A for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:30:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd29.google.com (mail-io1-xd29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDLQK57PMz4045 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:30:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd29.google.com with SMTP id e64so12196148iof.12 for ; 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No > > difference is it UEFI or not. > http://www.stargrave.org/FreeBSD-installation.html > > ZFS root works. Boot Environments don't work under UEFI (at least > partially, or at least under bhyve's UEFI). I suggest a simple test to you. > > Create a BE named "test1" and activate it for the next boot only: > > bectl activate -t test1 > reboot > > After reboot you'll see that you are again in your default BE, not in > "test1". > Rather dishonest debating technique once you were proven wrong you moved the bar to say you were actually right. You said "does not work under UEFI" without qualification when you were proven wrong you changed it, a very uncommon and likely rarely used feature that is not part of the zfs standard. Proof that they were never part of sun/oracle's original zfs standard from the man page on bectl: HISTORY bectl is based on beadm(1) and was implemented as a project for the 2017 Summer of Code, along with libbe(3). In the future please use ,more honest debating techniques > > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 10:08:30 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4AC3A5CF0 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:08:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200058e60cf.55d3f223c75525dc96f4d6121f27a177@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDMGP5LBqz41mZ for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:08:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200058e60cf.55d3f223c75525dc96f4d6121f27a177@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595671710; x=1598263710; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=csqnFOlBMinlE6qMGooBxb9lO5If38wY5xMIJP7oyms=; b=Dn0o8ov+6JVHkwx8icOIbxr6Zlh+lwe8+BCl77OuTGMygO3JxoYbMuWNJ2p1tXy/Sykmxb9TTsBRbzkQY1n4hpH7Msl7c+evyCU9ii+MMVHuxsOYWEgUj+Qbi7WjU114iMXyJXKxgafiB7yqI+Nws4xAJdvJ57z7KVdfetiDWPI= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDU4ZTYwY2YuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:08:28 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:08:27 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzH6P-0001Vg-KX; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:08:25 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 11:08:25 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Victor Sudakov Cc: Sergey Matveev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200725110825.3485b4ec832904658bff6915@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <20200725052418.GA92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055608.GA64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724101611.GA49600@stargrave.org> <20200725052418.GA92589@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDMGP5LBqz41mZ X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=Dn0o8ov+; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c200058e60cf.55d3f223c75525dc96f4d6121f27a177@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c200058e60cf.55d3f223c75525dc96f4d6121f27a177@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.50 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.004]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.93)[-0.934]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.86)[-0.863]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200058e60cf.55d3f223c75525dc96f4d6121f27a177@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200058e60cf.55d3f223c75525dc96f4d6121f27a177@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:08:30 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:24:18 +0700 Victor Sudakov wrote: > ZFS root works. Boot Environments don't work under UEFI (at least > partially, or at least under bhyve's UEFI). I suggest a simple test to > you. Have you reported the bug ? Both boot environments and bhyve are FreeBSD features so a bug report to FreeBSD would seem to be the way to get these fixed unless of course it's already been reported. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 10:52:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC5C53A79DA for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from mail.vex.net (mail.vex.net [98.158.139.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDNF66gtlz45ZJ for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:52:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from darcy@druid.net) Received: from dilbert.druid.net (unknown [216.105.80.221]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: darcy) by mail.vex.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 430DA8450E for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055924.GB64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725053525.GB92589@admin.sibptus.ru> From: D'Arcy Cain Autocrypt: addr=darcy@druid.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEXu32OxYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAD839OEQVMqCs45KVwLKg4srvl51WsVhMpTGOd9z3Ym20 HUQnQXJjeSBDYWluIDxkYXJjeUBkcnVpZC5uZXQ+iJYEExYIAD4WIQSQJTNYM0vv3aTmBCs/ 5DDweYZnXQUCXu32OwIbAwUJCWYBgAULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRA/5DDw eYZnXWAxAP9cDL1j4koUFRBNQyC4iMp/cx5KnozmtsFtiTrWdZBrIwD6A2rLFx60tJryd/qp SZpXk7UPDLH/PY1hstjx9WUbXQi4OARe7fY7EgorBgEEAZdVAQUBAQdAbK0SOaTRrkI2QAWz rCz29D2RDOgGTvEbDpyWiyA5RhQDAQgHiH4EGBYIACYWIQSQJTNYM0vv3aTmBCs/5DDweYZn XQUCXu32OwIbDAUJCWYBgAAKCRA/5DDweYZnXaNOAQDC77ymNjoMZQVgDCcmgZEk6IZxn45k nyW17OYCpRctvgD9Fg3aocAbHK7V9AhmSbDPxLNQygQUPjjU7Cyn97b1cQs= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 06:52:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200725053525.GB92589@admin.sibptus.ru> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9G0Qk7hpGPrMUPryNebTEiUChbhRuxSPb" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDNF66gtlz45ZJ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of darcy@druid.net has no SPF policy when checking 98.158.139.68) smtp.mailfrom=darcy@druid.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.83 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.22)[-0.221]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,multipart/mixed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.30)[0.302]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[druid.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.19)[0.189]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:+,3:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19842, ipnet:98.158.139.0/24, country:CA]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:52:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --9G0Qk7hpGPrMUPryNebTEiUChbhRuxSPb Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ocOVq8SyU9P7fA9IBVKHvIQMp10iSjJhk" --ocOVq8SyU9P7fA9IBVKHvIQMp10iSjJhk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2020-07-25 01:35, Victor Sudakov wrote: > ... what's wrong with PHP? 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Don’t get me wrong: I like pkg, although it’s sometimes a pita when it comes to packages that come from ports, because of different options (like my postfix with mysql), and I have to lock the package. >>> >> >> As many others when not satisfied with pkg default built options, I use >> poudriere, and have pkg get them from my poudriere repository. Examples: >> >> mailman (to use postfix, not sendmail) >> >> apache (to have LDAP authentication enabled) > > Have you been successful installing some selected packages from your > own poudriere and others from pkg.freebsd.org? > Yes, that is the way poudriere is designed. I will not write detailed instruction, just outline points. Poudriere repository is added to /usr/local/etc/pkg/ropes/poudriere.con, and pkg queries that first, then main pkg repository. Poudriere builds all packages that the one you need with your own config depends on, so the will be added from poudriere repo. When package that is not in poudriere repo is installed, it comes from main repo, dependencies to be installed first queried poudriere, then main repo. The only thing I can see may cause trouble is if you switched OFF some settings for dependency pkg in poudriere, if you only added enabled options, the package coming from poudriere should be good as dependency for pkg installed from main repo. > I tried several times and encountered problems with dependencies, so now > I compile *all* packages in poudriere and use *only* my poudriere as a > repo. > I have never had problem like that. At some point dependency in main repo might change by pkg maintainer. E.g. openldap-client is replaced with openldap-sasl-client. Then you will have to make sure the poudriere repo requires the same dependency from that point on. > Quite time-consuming I must say: I cannot make poudriere fetch some > packages in binary form, I think there is no support for that. So I end > up compiling llvm, go, rust and other heavy stuff by myself. > True, but I can not see how it can be different. Note, that you are replacing a portion of (central) pkg build infrastructure. And it is still time saving comparing to building from ports. You can use poudriere built pkgs on multiple systems. Update using pkgs is faster, helping you with maintenance window for a machine. > If you have know-how about mixing repos, please share it. > I gave general view above (not trying to make it an instruction). If I am wrong about something, I hope, experts will correct me. 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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDTfy6ycyz4K4x X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=O//puTTn; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.617]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed),none]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.45)[-0.448]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.32)[0.317]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d35:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:56:44 -0000 Hi All, I hope that everyone is doing well. Lately, I have been experimenting with FreeBSD and generating a small version using the mfsBSD scripts from the FreeBSD 12.1. To that end, I wanted to take a look at the absolute minimum installation of Xorg with just an Xterm so I tried a pkg fetch command: [root@freebsd ~]# pkg fetch -d -o /root/off-pac xorg-minimal In the /root/off-pac directory I get: --------------------------------------------------------- Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue... FreeBSD repository is up to date. All repositories are up to date. Number of packages to be fetched: 65 The process will require 212 MiB more space. 212 MiB to be downloaded. ---------------------------------------------------------- And using: [root@freebsd ~/off-pac/All]# ls -lhS | awk '{print $5, $6, $7, $9}' (Sorted from largest to smallest) --------------------------------------------------------- 158M Jul 9 llvm80-8.0.1_3.txz 16M Jul 8 python37-3.7.8.txz 14M Jul 8 perl5-5.30.3.txz 7.1M Jul 9 mesa-dri-19.0.8_8.txz 3.0M Jul 8 glib-2.56.3_8,1.txz 1.6M Jul 8 libX11-1.6.9_1,1.txz 1.4M Jul 22 xorg-server-1.20.8_2,1.txz 1.4M Jul 8 freetype2-2.10.2.txz 1.2M Jul 8 pcre-8.44.txz 1.0M Jul 8 libxcb-1.13.1.txz 828K Jul 8 libxml2-2.9.10.txz 612K Jul 22 xkeyboard-config-2.30.txz 607K Jul 8 libiconv-1.16.txz 512K Jul 8 py37-setuptools-44.0.0.txz 449K Jul 8 libXt-1.2.0,1.txz 404K Jul 9 mesa-libs-19.0.8_2.txz 354K Jul 8 readline-8.0.4.txz 317K Jul 8 pixman-0.40.0.txz 281K Jul 9 libepoxy-1.5.4.txz 238K Jul 8 libdrm-2.4.102,1.txz 217K Jul 8 xorgproto-2020.1.txz 213K Jul 9 libinput-1.15.6.txz 211K Jul 8 pciids-20200529.txz 161K Jul 8 gettext-runtime-0.20.2.txz 161K Jul 8 libXfont2-2.0.4.txz 135K Jul 8 libedit-3.1.20191231,1.txz 127K Jul 8 libunwind-20200331.txz 124K Jul 8 expat-2.2.8.txz 121K Jul 8 libXi-1.7.10,1.txz 119K Jul 9 wayland-1.18.0_3.txz 105K Jul 8 libxkbfile-1.1.0.txz 95K Jul 8 libXmu-1.1.3,1.txz 95K Jul 8 libXext-1.3.4,1.txz 92K Jul 8 libICE-1.0.10,1.txz 81K Jul 8 xkbcomp-1.4.3.txz 69K Jul 9 libwacom-1.3.txz 64K Jul 9 libevdev-1.5.9_1.txz 62K Jul 8 py37-pyudev-0.22.0.txz 42K Jul 8 py37-evdev-0.8.1_1.txz 36K Jul 8 libXv-1.0.11_2,1.txz 34K Jul 8 libffi-3.2.1_3.txz 33K Jul 22 xf86-input-libinput-0.30.0.txz 30K Jul 8 libXrandr-1.5.2.txz 29K Jul 9 libgudev-230_1.txz 29K Jul 8 libXrender-0.9.10_2.txz 26K Jul 8 libXvMC-1.0.12.txz 23K Jul 8 libSM-1.2.3,1.txz 22K Jul 9 xauth-1.1.txz 22K Jul 8 libpciaccess-0.16.txz 20K Jul 8 libmtdev-1.1.5_2.txz 20K Jul 8 libfontenc-1.1.4.txz 19K Jul 8 py37-six-1.14.0.txz 18K Jul 9 libepoll-shim-0.0.20200602.txz 17K Jul 8 libXxf86vm-1.1.4_3.txz 15K Jul 9 xinit-1.4.1,1.txz 15K Jul 8 libXfixes-5.0.3_2.txz 15K Jul 8 libudev-devd-0.4.2.txz 14K Jul 8 libXdmcp-1.1.3.txz 11K Jul 8 libXau-1.0.9.txz 11K Jul 22 xf86-video-vesa-2.4.0_3.txz 6.4K Jul 8 libXdamage-1.1.5.txz 5.7K Jul 8 indexinfo-0.3.1.txz 4.8K Jul 8 libxshmfence-1.3.txz 2.0K Jul 8 libpthread-stubs-0.4.txz 564B Jun 6 xorg-minimal-7.5.2_3.txz --------------------------------------------------------- >From these, I immediately see some HUGE non-Xserver related files: 158M Jul 9 llvm80-8.0.1_3.txz (I think that this has to do with Clang and other compiles ???) 16M Jul 8 python37-3.7.8.txz 14M Jul 8 perl5-5.30.3.txz . . etc. And, while still being new here, wonder if they are truly needed and also of the list of 65 files what can I really eliminate as not being essential to an "absolute" minimal Xorg installation. Also, I may not need the "wayland" stuff since I am trying to run just pure Xorg and an Xterm that is all. Anyone have any experience or suggestions on things that can be safely eliminated from this list so that I can try to add them to the mfsBSD build? Any help would be truly appreciated. Cheers and have a good weekend, Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 15:24:15 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B118A367F03 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDVGk6HQsz4LtC for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=v+5g/X1eNCqGPhy5pDw1ukSmZq9Oc/NgTTH3E+uMRy4=; b=A5+qZD2GJ09rbSaDjfbVsCUyQD YAhF3oL6Ruep87H41+YAANLW0BnrBSndLrveKWo9kDQaPgoaNKMctJogaSWBTQszb1IYPE+SxFigP 4hSx32kFZeBqQlWpvVealc7mCb0MiYAaeXZG7zCILGvFkjibaO0/PQKvtj9cj69f/RpQ=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzM20-0000zN-Lp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:24:12 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:24:12 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gJNQRAHI5jiYqw2y" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDVGk6HQsz4LtC X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=A5+qZD2G; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.87 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.03)[-1.025]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.012]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.736]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:24:15 -0000 --gJNQRAHI5jiYqw2y Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Watters wrote: >=20 > On 7/24/2020 9:39 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > > Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have > > both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am I > > a traitor? Am I an infidel? > While it's fun to test out and play with different OSes it makes life > much simpler if you standardize on *one* platform.=A0 Most organizations > have standards and policies about what operating systems are allowed on > their servers. This is very true. And when it comes to choice between Linux and FreeBSD (as a company policy), despite my love for FreeBSD and long time (over 20 years) experience therewith, I find there is very little I can now rationally present as arguments to choose FreeBSD over Linux. Very simple questions from the management: 1. If we decide to run FreeBSD on AWS ARM64 instances, how are you going to upgrade them? Via buildworld on each? Not funny. 2. What if we eventually decide to roll out docker? leave me argumentless. Perhaps it's really a question for freebsd-advocacy rather than freebsd-questions. I might as well move there if too many people are unhappy with the topic. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --gJNQRAHI5jiYqw2y Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfHE6cAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0LX8IAJ+fBgEipdcHV+J+ZoZ0gbmP 9u4YvP91EMdzMMknoWfDPy26UCDk2zxfDJI6E+ZQXUMSJRI0w23Abf/SOx+/bO4W cBRm03PduqgJO163rxWhcqSLXPPoEYYVOVUWJRXT+bP+YaAyA0AXirPXZXCsE1ki iCv/56PRDoVxfNam1i1eXLLd69401Yk76uQpzXBX4O2e0neJP2vF3FBOpRsfqg5n Bss8JXM4S16KbtGhHL2FhlkO93GTTZXEGfxifExGrviUmWW6y/20so26Rggw24XC 0+kfvdKR3LLvyYdlMaIpdhgyOa6cO1u8/fJC8sjatx814G53cyVcL4pgSi17bpY= =MdOP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gJNQRAHI5jiYqw2y-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 15:31:23 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40C8368286 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDVQz1tlFz4MDP for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:31:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=ZWQgsrXsKwuAfeev192Yw/fVb7g+Jxrd/POo1aLrNLg=; b=lTQwLuI0kGp9w+DqfSqCFbn0hS oanS1ElRHyqRc8i23Xz3bVo5E7CUTYjFenyERP7dwEDfVmkmHs26V1Aw2gPNd4YAfZh8eIPZMksuw S32/bSbejCJDv+WZ6Zgd6mgXDRaW69J3iiZRdouG28flaAFkkA1yaOyYWBEsC21VmzZI=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzM8w-00011l-7W for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:31:22 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:31:22 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725153122.GK92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055608.GA64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724101611.GA49600@stargrave.org> <20200725052418.GA92589@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bgQAstJ9X1Eg13Dy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDVQz1tlFz4MDP X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=lTQwLuI0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.82 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.023]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.014]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.68)[-0.679]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:31:23 -0000 --bgQAstJ9X1Eg13Dy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aryeh Friedman wrote: >=20 > > Sergey Matveev wrote: > > > >On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:56 AM Victor Sudakov wrot= e: > > > >> Unfortunately this nice advantage is not available under UEFI boot. > > > > > > > >Works for me just fine on a MSI B450 motherboard (worked on the first > > try > > > >with default BIOS settings) > > > > > > ZFS root works without any problems under UEFI on my hardware too. No > > > difference is it UEFI or not. > > http://www.stargrave.org/FreeBSD-installation.html > > > > ZFS root works. Boot Environments don't work under UEFI (at least > > partially, or at least under bhyve's UEFI). I suggest a simple test to = you. > > > > Create a BE named "test1" and activate it for the next boot only: > > > > bectl activate -t test1 > > reboot > > > > After reboot you'll see that you are again in your default BE, not in > > "test1". > > >=20 > Rather dishonest debating technique once you were proven wrong you moved > the bar to say you were actually right. You said "does not work under > UEFI" without qualification when you were proven wrong you changed it, a I'm really sorry about that misleading statement. I probably had false memories after trying to find good use for FreeBSD BEs under AWS EC2 (because the loader menu is inaccessible for EC2 instances). --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --bgQAstJ9X1Eg13Dy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJfHFBKAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0hWYH+QGOMZaQJcjR3Uw8c0JSwxNJ ArlwBHrF2w0dgrf4tnxgWKbkL8ERlReLrQBloEXj2aXMHMEQH/wT7Hi2+bXx+cVl NaGcGwQMxSB6SyE5Oc7lcDiNXGarVRL2pOZ2dhylInQ6DlYXCzjZfEkdj12PD16N EM7zmibaqnKN+wbscz9eZF39F1CiCtgFvG3G10WctQMrELo2OK+yr96MZbdwNOYL cB/naV5qaN+3uiLU7MLIbBriv+kJxGAVOSf9LkFiijxrUibGy7JKxc4+VUzlfYNd IOAOaavR/zvI4ifDQjaW80ED8O6qwfgyax0bCwiO/JwvUrwN0I3yrQrPDqGLKYY= =6lOX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bgQAstJ9X1Eg13Dy-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 15:37:46 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A910C368339 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:37:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDVZK61nlz4Mtr for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:37:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=/Y2Rsaw8LmaNdnmpie9r7Y/Ww8KWJZq78LHBTX2DvC4=; b=Rpv98Z1yeBhmubKSiuRQ35ZVtd klqZAGcAQxa52kO3rcPk98vC6Zt+DNCZfQ+LhoyOwY5G6y2IDyE1Ro/tpn3yj25k/CMvotw4Kqcrd oYX1MfbnFf23M19VlabHL8v+1bZCRCVmMgzYJFxLZ/Cun+JEdhAK0e5ABl4cmhFjkFqc=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzMEr-00013l-BL; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:37:29 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:37:29 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: Sergey Matveev , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725153729.GL92589@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200724032840.GA61047@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724043553.GA62650@admin.sibptus.ru> <838706788.121367025.1595568764100.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca> <20200724055608.GA64228@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200724101611.GA49600@stargrave.org> <20200725052418.GA92589@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725110825.3485b4ec832904658bff6915@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="q6mBvMCt6oafMx9a" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200725110825.3485b4ec832904658bff6915@sohara.org> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDVZK61nlz4Mtr X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=Rpv98Z1y; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.022]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.968]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.62)[-0.619]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:37:46 -0000 --q6mBvMCt6oafMx9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >=20 > > ZFS root works. Boot Environments don't work under UEFI (at least > > partially, or at least under bhyve's UEFI). I suggest a simple test to > > you. >=20 > Have you reported the bug ? Both boot environments and bhyve are > FreeBSD features so a bug report to FreeBSD would seem to be the way to g= et > these fixed unless of course it's already been reported. I have, the PR is still in the Open state since March: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D244838 And this PR is probably where I got the memories about shortages in UEFI support, quoting Kyle Evans: "Currently, only the BIOS loaders can do the bits needed for activate -t notably, UEFI cannot and userboot cannot." 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RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.003]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.032]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::142:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.899]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:54:25 -0000 On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:24 AM Victor Sudakov wrote: > Michael Watters wrote: > > > > On 7/24/2020 9:39 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have > > > both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am I > > > a traitor? Am I an infidel? > > > While it's fun to test out and play with different OSes it makes life > > much simpler if you standardize on *one* platform. Most organizations > > have standards and policies about what operating systems are allowed on > > their servers. > > This is very true. And when it comes to choice between Linux and > FreeBSD (as a company policy), despite my love for FreeBSD and long time > (over 20 years) experience therewith, I find there is very little I can > now rationally present as arguments to choose FreeBSD over Linux. > If stability is not a factor then you likely have no real argument because Linux has a long history of "borrowing" to put it politely tech from wherever they find it. If you are familiar with Star Trek think of it as the Borg OS (you will be assimilated!). This history started even before FreeBSD existed when it got it's network stack from 44BSD (without giving credit), continuing with ZFS and other things. As far as I can tell docker and other liteweight VM's are mostly meant to deal with the fact that the OS is a Rub Goldberg Machine at it's best, a heaping lump of useless junk glued together in god knows what way at it's worst. Again like the Borg it only works if you use it *EXACTLY* the way it is supposed to be used and that way is completely undocumented. None of the above is true with FreeBSD.... this is even though I am a life long Unix (BSD) fanatic (since the early 1980's) and hate M$ stuff I would rather use windows then Linux (I am being polite and not calling it my prefered name for it Linsucks). So I would not argue from a feature point of view but from a philosphical and the resulting stability/robustiness point of view for FreeBSD. > Very simple questions from the management: > > 1. If we decide to run FreeBSD on AWS ARM64 instances, how are you going > to upgrade them? Via buildworld on each? Not funny. > AWS has all kinds of problems so why use them at all instead of a cloud provider that gives you a true VM and easy migrations paths. > > 2. What if we eventually decide to roll out docker? > Docker is a bag on the side of a kludge that solves no real problems except hiding a fundamentally misarchitured OS. If you really want to use Linux then do it as a VM on a FreeBSD host to for stability reasons. -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 16:24:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093E8369341 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 16:24:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDWbm3CWXz4Q6x for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 16:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=kRDqSeNkGVZjkoRdE+pkfBkOswEhfP9MIIXj3lSILHw=; b=ejQpJwOgC+w60UKRxAGMQ1Z5Wx YrvQgK5oCKsXtJgID6Ew2iuxDVJMe+R0hFRythDD0oyJPBEuuXV8Fg8PYj4RX5fNwHIPa7+t9XkSq BY95MqEtjYl/ivsit2iwplR6xinemcdtvMmWbWAQi7tVAR6Q5i1UlhCl9xBqT1Y2ZzUY=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzMxv-0001Kr-5J for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 23:24:03 +0700 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 23:24:03 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SUOF0GtieIMvvwua" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDWbm3CWXz4Q6x X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=ejQpJwOg; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.02)[-1.022]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.018]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.63)[-0.627]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 16:24:05 -0000 --SUOF0GtieIMvvwua Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aryeh Friedman wrote: > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:24 AM Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > > Michael Watters wrote: > > > > > > On 7/24/2020 9:39 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > > Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have > > > > both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am= I > > > > a traitor? Am I an infidel? > > > > > While it's fun to test out and play with different OSes it makes life > > > much simpler if you standardize on *one* platform. Most organizations > > > have standards and policies about what operating systems are allowed = on > > > their servers. > > > > This is very true. And when it comes to choice between Linux and > > FreeBSD (as a company policy), despite my love for FreeBSD and long time > > (over 20 years) experience therewith, I find there is very little I can > > now rationally present as arguments to choose FreeBSD over Linux. > > >=20 > If stability is not a factor then you likely have no real argument because > Linux has a long history of "borrowing" to put it politely tech from Do you know how to present "stability" as a measureable parameter in an OS advocacy process? No, Debian or CentOS don't just panic or crash unexpectedly, if you mean that. Even the modern Windows does not. If by "stability" you mean "architectural purity" then yes, I see your point, but it's not very valid in the eyes of a businessman. A point "you can do XXX only with FreeBSD" is a valid point. But I cannot find such points for the present.=20 Root-on-ZFS and BEs are great, no doubt, but I can do without them while I have AWS (or any other hypervisor) cheap and fast VM snapshots. > > Very simple questions from the management: > > > > 1. If we decide to run FreeBSD on AWS ARM64 instances, how are you going > > to upgrade them? Via buildworld on each? Not funny. > > >=20 > AWS has all kinds of problems so why use them at all instead of a cloud > provider that gives you a true VM and easy migrations paths. Please name one, with the number of features comparable to Amazon and a better FreeBSD support.=20 >=20 > > > > 2. What if we eventually decide to roll out docker? > > >=20 > Docker is a bag on the side of a kludge that solves no real problems exce= pt > hiding a fundamentally misarchitured OS.=20 Sorry, I can't say that to the management. That is, I can, but their reaction will be "Please go sober up and return when you are ready to talk shop." > If you really want to use Linux > then do it as a VM on a FreeBSD host to for stability reasons. 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Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:18:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> In-Reply-To: <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux To: Victor Sudakov Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDXpQ10Dkz4SCD X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=rjqdZ+km; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.003]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.034]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.91)[-0.913]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:18:23 -0000 On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:24 PM Victor Sudakov wrote: > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:24 AM Victor Sudakov wrote: > > > > > Michael Watters wrote: > > > > > > > > On 7/24/2020 9:39 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > > > Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have > > > > > both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. > Am I > > > > > a traitor? Am I an infidel? > > > > > > > While it's fun to test out and play with different OSes it makes life > > > > much simpler if you standardize on *one* platform. Most > organizations > > > > have standards and policies about what operating systems are allowed > on > > > > their servers. > > > > > > This is very true. And when it comes to choice between Linux and > > > FreeBSD (as a company policy), despite my love for FreeBSD and long > time > > > (over 20 years) experience therewith, I find there is very little I can > > > now rationally present as arguments to choose FreeBSD over Linux. > > > > > > > If stability is not a factor then you likely have no real argument > because > > Linux has a long history of "borrowing" to put it politely tech from > > Do you know how to present "stability" as a measureable parameter in an > OS advocacy process? No, Debian or CentOS don't just panic or crash > unexpectedly, if you mean that. Even the modern Windows does not. > Really simple uptime under load. Just give them uptime stats for different OS's. Also show that applications that originated from different OS's have very different ideas of stability. Prime example is all the crap that FreeBSD has had to import from Linux to make X work has made it incredibly unstable (I have to reboot 3 or 4 times a day if I am using KDE, Gnome or any other Linux originated desktop software usually due to it slowing to a crawl for no apparent reason [has to be resource leak of some kind]). https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/2y82f5/uptime_whats_your_longest_running_server_without/ > If by "stability" you mean "architectural purity" then yes, I see your > point, but it's not very valid in the eyes of a businessman. > Stability has *NOTHING* to do with architectural purity! (it is a side effect perhaps but not the main cause of stability) ... stability is nothing more does it do what you expect, when you expect it (with zero side effects) on the *FIRST* attempt and *ALL* future attempts. > A point "you can do XXX only with FreeBSD" is a valid point. But I > cannot find such points for the present. > Since any general purpose computer is theoretically mathematically identical to every other general purpose computer (the only difference being performance, capacity and what I/O devices you can connect to it) there is no one feature of *ANY* computer/OS you can point to and say "no other system can do X". This is what makes computer science a science and not voodoo. > Root-on-ZFS and BEs are great, no doubt, but I can do without them while > I have AWS (or any other hypervisor) cheap and fast VM snapshots. > > > > Very simple questions from the management: > > > > > > 1. If we decide to run FreeBSD on AWS ARM64 instances, how are you > going > > > to upgrade them? Via buildworld on each? Not funny. > > > > > > > AWS has all kinds of problems so why use them at all instead of a cloud > > provider that gives you a true VM and easy migrations paths. > > Please name one, with the number of features comparable to Amazon and a > better FreeBSD support. > Just off the top of my head: RootBSD (forget their new name), Digital Island, Go Daddy, etc. see the following mailing list thread for more info https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-March/288423.html ... there are a *LOT* of such hosting firms. If your client/employer has an issue point to them that OpenStack is based in part on the AWS archicture and is beyond brain dead compared to other IaaS/PaaS solutions see NASA's Inspector General's report on it where they concluded it was a $35M complete waste of a project: https://oig.nasa.gov/audits/reports/FY13/IG-13-021.pdf ... for example the OpenStack manual says "the worst possible disaster to occur to a cloud is power failure" (WTF?!?!??!?!? No way should a simple power failure completely destroy your ability to recover from a disaster [it does and I can send you links to email threads on this])..... AWS has the same basic flaws (the very concept of a what VM instance as defined by OpenStack was modeled after AWS). > > > > > > > > 2. What if we eventually decide to roll out docker? > > > > > > > Docker is a bag on the side of a kludge that solves no real problems > except > > hiding a fundamentally misarchitured OS. > > Sorry, I can't say that to the management. That is, I can, but their > reaction will be "Please go sober up and return when you are ready to > talk shop." > Then give them stronger evidence like Linux is only the kernel and there is no single unified architecture for how to build anything above that in Linux (since by definition it is not Linux). Whereis FreeBSD (and the other traditional BSD's) are a complete system that is carefully designed and tested as a complete unit. To top it off Linux is less than 30 years old but FreeBSD can trace its routes directly (if you are not concerned with the legal fine print that says it is not allowed to) before we landed on the moon. Therefore FreeBSD (and the other BSD's) have been tested under fire for much longer and are specifically designed for never fail performance (whereis Linux never even had that goal). You can also point to total I/O (network specifically) throughput and show that FreeBSD consistently beats all other OS's. For example in the mid-90's I wrote the first single threaded web server and it blew away all other servers on the market at the time (and still does as far I know) when run on FreeBSD but came to a near standstill on Linux (when the benchmarking company we hired to benchmark it said they were unable to benchmark it at full capacity because they were not able to overload it even using 30 bot machines to do so). http://johnsokol.blogspot.com/2006/11/afterburner-web-server.html Linux has never fixed the underlying reasons why it has such poor network throughput (just relied on Moore's Law to solve the problem) where is FreeBSD has continued to improve in this area. > > If you really want to use Linux > > then do it as a VM on a FreeBSD host to for stability reasons. > > Again, please define "stability." > See above. Would you rather build a swimming pool on solid ground or by putting fresh water in a inverted plastic bag in the ocean and hope it doesn't break? -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 17:25:32 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAB836AA40 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x142.google.com (mail-il1-x142.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::142]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDXyg1tPgz4Sdv for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x142.google.com with SMTP id i138so3872162ild.9 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=eHB9Rv7YOkZq0gFR/4vkxZyQa7VS3f472U9bNyRTFFk=; b=rHADwu4/B+tCoedbt8uCndSSsg7EjCoRGAoL3iMJcaXcxdV/OpEh7SYxfMijGHxbNo G8bdj7jufv3HgS3soUGq5GjAHT+pF12qpRjcacCVwGrpWRFP+DOlaKWFqmRWk0rtH7Iu LIdg6uGf6SZpv2J7ODD5t65jhYXDt7tF72jirUDh960AD4L26qTkI8N+G+jUN+h9nlh3 tlhshCxg6KUOkMmb76f1RMc0ZoorTdBvkSGCHJwZHDYYjd63+2kNbRNyjU9JsCmgO0hk AXpBGEIoEa2HyF09zcUhVrd4V1Na81XZa8eOhNPvpqDpVH4JdYj+TbUnDTyTgLYKUNar o1MQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=eHB9Rv7YOkZq0gFR/4vkxZyQa7VS3f472U9bNyRTFFk=; b=nzOEDVpQfenyC4sLHLhxODbFweUKCkTzrtzGyiGntBMA77z1lCT3f3xhAXAvnSKrAr r/+1CsQ16dZlmnpUAdTbZoGXF3yfACnDUA32/eGnOnRPXu8bBKhr1f694zlVAIsXUT89 wmI6vzLC1Lmelz0AOfcgeCVGkVgnG228pfsUchOrgz81n62C8JMwI7LWZJAC8yxi+yC2 vZAm3vZwzZxMJhZuJHJOEJsheGjlmXqQ59IDTmrTQG3IW7Lxx4Xr09n8wGeHrH7xlm5h fzhW0Op1Ir1aYUGJLfH5V3byZeU2OODsGSBNbbO0S4O5HiX4F/MAyx8w8HdXq62kWvLb O/WA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532e8Y3IVsYTQSq3vg3gQxjKfFLOGjqCZXQPDqExqZHGPDt1i4YE ucf4RqNWxbkmEhEc72c6RVgPVWCCziEagI0Ec0/HwH19cKE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwWLNNxYZRG88sEGGlT/lfJmmCXdSfR5R3wmx4My8uNToI09E+Fbfn5J11+Uw5ZpDJxDsazqezhBjIqxbk47qM= X-Received: by 2002:a92:9144:: with SMTP id t65mr15105116ild.157.1595697930073; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:25:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: tbz file from pkg To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDXyg1tPgz4Sdv X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=rHADwu4/; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.62)[-0.617]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.60)[-0.602]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.02)[0.018]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::142:from]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:25:32 -0000 Hi All, In working with the "pkg fetch .." command, I notice that the coles come back with the ".txz" extension. In my reading on FreeBSD, it seems that the common extension is a ".tbz" So then, I am wondering how to either have "pkg fetch" return ".tbz" files or perhaps there is a way to convert the ".txz" files. Any insight on this? Thanks in advance Lonnie From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 17:26:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D7636AC1B for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:26:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200059a8fed.9df6a3368b1b50a02fb52ea746b4013b@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDXzP1Q54z4Sbm for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:26:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4c200059a8fed.9df6a3368b1b50a02fb52ea746b4013b@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1595697969; x=1598289969; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=j48ywI0c3kxJqrGxJEYFoFydFOKxTYpatROoxh1u/rc=; b=l4dDGnJr4SXTL21AW2RFTMEJL8L23jKgQJCFre9CTzGOmeXCmC5sskZEqEpCb/UFlYFwHsQvEcvvo7+yBpy7b1CA42jWT5jgs10o+seZpYw2SaDQfdazdUq8Ek32b7PRq6dnuwYSP5tRiPL0WUYVWZEW0JwnfXl8SYP/6S8WTi0= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC45Mi4xZDRjMjAwMDU5YThmZWQuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.190.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:25:58 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-west-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:25:56 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1jzNvm-0002sL-BR; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:25:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:25:54 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: Victor Sudakov , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDXzP1Q54z4Sbm X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=l4dDGnJr; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4c200059a8fed.9df6a3368b1b50a02fb52ea746b4013b@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4c200059a8fed.9df6a3368b1b50a02fb52ea746b4013b@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.43 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.994]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.96)[-0.961]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.771]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200059a8fed.9df6a3368b1b50a02fb52ea746b4013b@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4c200059a8fed.9df6a3368b1b50a02fb52ea746b4013b@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:26:10 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:18:08 -0400 Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Prime example is > all the crap that FreeBSD has had to import from Linux to make X work has > made it incredibly unstable (I have to reboot 3 or 4 times a day if I am > using KDE, Gnome or any other Linux originated desktop software usually > due to it slowing to a crawl for no apparent reason [has to be resource > leak of some kind]). Yeuch, but it has nothing to do with making X work, X works just fine for as long as you care to leave it running. I can't speak for Gnome or KDE I don't use them, but with a simple WM X is as rock solid as it has ever been. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 17:28:39 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815DC36AE1E for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDY2G0QmBz4SlB for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:28:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id l17so12955707iok.7 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=IfzBoVzKs3YGyYU32aZ7MUCes90mkc+rPJrQ/WJ09qo=; b=U7Ov4/9PkY/EyXN56zNaycV4VwuueVrMsVYbg50Kqy3+ixzigY5Rf1AFdCiqP4HpP8 0gbgWKP9cW5/uvNVa7cFnV/GQIXEUyYysQP52o4a+3zANU7lGH/L0Ub4YfvnuyFJBWHJ BLhEJOT24Is7OUJy/YVKZKA3LRiEfdwRGOyyC582QMeLnP+M8rAknOVNJX/EvjpcaWsr rxmsrR11Jf6vET44Y0zg69mPRQ3KNJtrb4QVJzS9n9vMsZ5F5QBXIw2V3mMm6rqgSqYU n8+Ut+gWhLl+bAEo3aslX3RXrsvChJBLQ7qPWyfOvXr5hgMU54REH+2FY+j5XhKxZhdZ oyQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IfzBoVzKs3YGyYU32aZ7MUCes90mkc+rPJrQ/WJ09qo=; b=oSR03B9l67vC6LNlIxlQtA047PXqcTNrNbwpfShvrGEcz1TbcQ2HtIKEY+rLoZ8TXz P0qvSiu5H052Q9k5E7VEQH398nuVDKrCdEs+piv+4rWUld4mu1ML5wReaT2JamZ8MpWq VaDxZ0EfTRaT6tsMNKwASMT0DFFvEL2kgTYBSx3Fd+RCTcEVGHmzHsnJFoJG8ixBmoMW dJ7MnMXAwyrSGOOtu60cxmjr/yl174uIpKNoPsxPERo8TdRVImXGZ/w4QJClaQh5MMd/ ogyddad0bAZeZKPw98CGdbac+ywa+L970ZAA/PgiKBUro4R+X+XgeVctX454bTk4rS7R rZdg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531S7JVeYwyzsVcCUku8LGgUBWwgbTrsvrKD8mfde2MYe5gb7qbh VdCXx/fcBOIf0FgFtUD62FQr+mliA38WBfPbEVA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwAsql0uOUlhsGzujLgnxr5Pj2XJQVu63PK7QYLWU9H/hHXvXP4tGfGOdzG4UsuEBqF+iy5iJRvfV1k3I0FvjM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:2ac8:: with SMTP id m8mr16411328iov.36.1595698116353; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 10:28:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:28:25 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: tbz file from pkg To: Lonnie Cumberland Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDY2G0QmBz4SlB X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=U7Ov4/9P; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.85 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.004]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.033]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.82)[-0.817]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:28:39 -0000 You want to use bzip2 to uncompress them (the -j option on bsd tar) On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 1:25 PM Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Hi All, > > In working with the "pkg fetch .." command, I notice that the coles come > back with the ".txz" extension. > > In my reading on FreeBSD, it seems that the common extension is a ".tbz" > > So then, I am wondering how to either have "pkg fetch" return ".tbz" files > or perhaps there is a way to convert the ".txz" files. > > Any insight on this? > > Thanks in advance > Lonnie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Aryeh M. 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Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:27:19 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:27:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: Aryeh Friedman , Victor Sudakov , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Message-Id: <20200725202718.acc49e3a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> References: <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725162403.GA4721@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200725182554.deffc63058a7c9f6d343ef06@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:SPMOBCK18LE5y7w3hUuOorUUNelfsURvB92kN55p0TDAe5Y99Dg nJjmBvpvDNbgGj0kkAoJcpEdfKClYMWvOgxnQotU/wNyrc1ZK1K5e1nmNO368g/pXPR1tLF JH0VCjLEJmhSoStWzTITDu/0HLflId7m0PjCSsukIZzfQkgc0uZsJHjOHEEI7uk0AyYXqji HadoBBpf2nutKK/1AF2hA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:318P9+5WWwE=:4iRDKW1PETGuJvWk7vwJNb /uhV1Nw2sDn5UKcTz43HrqCVbG4oYlI7g1BwEoyXPalGxAG6NsC/kOVhV2Sp1iosDxzbHDAj3 wKH+PbziRYa1xIEqBCg6SpJoAAdfoWm4eYinj9r+HNVd7WTg6VyNN8FpVSMwadCsBzNlDhubm GMOGwKGoaPHTqOsizbZcLEn+zLYbLZF/KoYMPPVdqdf8BzoiRo/cQ35aMI/WE9Zo6TDoMfCCr Qh7dg0mWI7nuzAZSpJVFvmb7/R8otY39BlZUUj4czDG7ycJJrcD0kojV/DCRvVfIMMIoxsb5X KiL3xDLWy1BO35bsQU7ifjyocZXwsqCTzGE5Y/SdqtwtQkL/vtnousA3kK/P1BoOWDm6/k7BW TvIn2C72/fOrJNY9i8R4zjKzUrFd2EqA44WjBBdY6my9iLJrzy//6peXgcPu0H3Lhej1/22DZ QSPQ1rShrljHJ31BWl0jbc7qi+7Z2C/8oj5tQ7MMMmraSRGAtp4R6xRISBHhNdC7Nyje3tu+l gJ2raJ5b4HG6vMwXRBj/rA3UIosjEuKV5zTjFV9TpH/9gBMn0H726ni8v0i/8Yl5hBh5+IG6o k1DGGgobiGyv6D5wBVDErPNvSLEzlHWXsUinGrqZnvJkaIc8HYDMkufLK9Gc42rkiAH2nd/GA c0M0bMfCApCW8IEzOsTcppIc1BnG8V5CWKWLLOiBp+0TD+X1Evfp5oP/E9KZxclwv4vUxwkv5 +L33oR/VrB7AG1UdUek0lf7zGKSXI/fzqts0fbQrUa0HwAWO+L6KdrXouEPosTuyoqJezeTPa 7PRoVSXWrhiFmFnEf0LuOUV47cfC8VW+ldFcW50dFA4w6MMUpYIyY3is+7SsBBguezCKJN3 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDZL23Ktgz4WFZ X-Spamd-Bar: +++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:27:23 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:25:54 +0100, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:18:08 -0400 > Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > Prime example is > > all the crap that FreeBSD has had to import from Linux to make X work has > > made it incredibly unstable (I have to reboot 3 or 4 times a day if I am > > using KDE, Gnome or any other Linux originated desktop software usually > > due to it slowing to a crawl for no apparent reason [has to be resource > > leak of some kind]). > > Yeuch, but it has nothing to do with making X work, X works just > fine for as long as you care to leave it running. I can't speak for Gnome > or KDE I don't use them, but with a simple WM X is as rock solid as it has > ever been. The point here is partially valid: Desktop environments are based upon specific sets of libraries, such as Qt or Gtk, and those depend on certain Linux (kernel) infrastructures or GNU (userland) capabilities to fully work. There are layers of layers of libraries for abstraction to hide such details, but after it's turtles all the way down, someone is asking for a Linux kernel syscall that FreeBSD doesn't have, and bang! it doesn't work anymore. So in order to fully utilize a desktop on FreeBSD, those lower-level requirements have to be presented somehow, and that's the stuff ("crap") that has to be importet. What I said about desktop environments applies, in parts, to application programs that also use those libraries and infrastructures. I don't have to mention that the majority of software in question is developed primarily on and for Linux, so the ports made available on FreeBSD have to somehow compensate the gap between those systems. While FreeBSD and Linux have a lot in common, there are significant differences on many levels (mindset, kernel structure, OS organization, kernel and library interfaces, utility programs, program inter- action, and all that stuff that is conveniently hidden under an abstraction library's surface). In practice, this can lead to slow software, buggy software, heaps of annoying warning messages, program crashes or other kinds of unexpected software behaviour that is not present (or even reproducable) on Linux. You simply have to admit the fact that FreeBSD and Linux (the many GNU/Linux-based distributions) are different. That does not say anything about "better" or "faster", which is an entirely different topic. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 18:38:05 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E24836C0A4 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:38:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDZZM6Z2sz4WYj for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:38:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.23.103]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MDhV1-1k7tNu1aRL-00AkBz; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:38:01 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:38:01 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lonnie Cumberland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tbz file from pkg Message-Id: <20200725203801.9a4965b8.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8tZAKJHY4dLPdlarzPu6Avv63IgEeNpQVqGuOnvzCw+JJ9MQ7GQ yBCqUXVVUxWHe4Z8y3ypmoEsQrxRJeeEOA3+j/QZW6VT+6swmE5sxUOos+fDA8M7z0rSRzD NZdMq1NaubW9DNtv5sGYRMcBuU8UhcgV1UMm3fU5c1/EUnT4e2fc/8np5grnBwT2+C4ZPTO gmkHdoJ1r+ZnhV3QE7W5A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:aGMp/LTlWOg=:kKnfmX641dgK/xxY38A7wz emSKZq21VIat8R8DlnT6pOX5tgudKwj9KaKyQfv61wOQAy8G0+A9AKQFdU5FLkh1M/vxqLqlE Sy/Q5XOnm/haF+39ktIFXVhuu16VEc5HIMgdVRHKOFHyeaiPdCHpDuircQkurywVVonaLlI7M jKck2N8q4/4Ee+JivofWaRpLVlL83fZ9ArvRj7Q2EnSqT89ZlOoEprccwehPkXSagckkpsAVM 5r1Y2bTvjo54/Ko4ojarTZapCwQlnyeIG3MrB9+9r8uvWzbTXvZS6Bjel3l8FFz0JDWQKImRJ luw5n/aZrrjnUb8E8BwN3QKG4ONmLmxRJJCgwMoimpd6mfc63uSp7y3uRXRPwfoNT7LS8FyMc CiVhegw90xJQeMIL6A9p6xaUcmi5FTC8HaU1oDXlB49ZTdiwfLkQzUcrUiMjRCwvuhlFRYFT2 cYfuWtNKaxo4nfU14JjHvyjDoKXdGw8WihaxJMeHNd0yyvQZKgaYE+46XChpqXzCDr1zvxDbA 7pGwHsFB8tKmeBXHvepUPS3iAXqJQ2gUIb75CgsScZLd9loQbqy0jtlAIcXkqtiJRbMenQkyR VVyjhLeWoBnt1cMfNI7SN7MbK/FrCkVaqFsujKfdpjNyF5XkUwB0AiEJnQ9gk4fKCycsRDuOQ NKxgkrq0aeW8So/662z2v49K1i64/L3vRIAhj7hiyAgzyDp8MC/p90bOdJs5sAJ9ZKiCccOTJ HrUyhf2ZfRlso//AAcopg8Wam70xyIE57zKsMtbPit82G5pEsmWsf75gDkxb0wP55QGFFFUWh vAbtSEAZ1EKkxSC3uGXGJ7RS1V/zS9IYIfSFti2FQoxMBB0tZ16/GzcwwZJpZL0ycfEZdP/ X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDZZM6Z2sz4WYj X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.13 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.16)[-0.162]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.23.103:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.43)[-0.431]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.33)[0.326]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:38:05 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:25:19 -0400, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > In working with the "pkg fetch .." command, I notice that the coles come > back with the ".txz" extension. > > In my reading on FreeBSD, it seems that the common extension is a ".tbz" Those extensions mean different things. > So then, I am wondering how to either have "pkg fetch" return ".tbz" files > or perhaps there is a way to convert the ".txz" files. > > Any insight on this? The extensions usually identify what 't' that is is a tar archive, and "xz" indicates the kind of compression. There are many: ----- filename extensions ----- ------- compression -------- short long alternate meaning tar option ------------------------------------------------------------ .tar tar .tgz .tar.gz tar + GNU zip -z .tbz .tar.bz .tar.bz2 tar + bzip -j .txz .tar.xz tar + xz -J BSD tar supports them all, it can conveniently combine the uncompression and extraction operations. Also see "man 1 xz" and "man 1 bzip2" for details, as well as "man 1 tar", of course. :-) In order to convert a .txz to a .tbz archive, you can use the tools mentioned above to uncompress and recompress the content. Note that there are various options that can affect the compression level. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 19:19:31 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C27036D18C for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:19:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.dlib.vt.edu (gromit.dlib.vt.edu [128.173.49.70]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "gromit.dlib.vt.edu", Issuer "Chumby Certificate Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDbVB54Ksz4YXd for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu) Received: from gromit.gromit23.net (c-98-244-101-97.hsd1.va.comcast.net [98.244.101.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gromit.dlib.vt.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08FEA114 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:19:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Mather Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.15\)) Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:19:29 -0400 References: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <782005A6-D264-4FFF-AADF-D238EE7F1595@gromit.dlib.vt.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.15) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDbVB54Ksz4YXd X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=vt.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.173.49.70) smtp.mailfrom=paul@gromit.dlib.vt.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.02)[-0.022]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[98.244.101.97:received]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.29)[-0.290]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.21)[0.211]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:1312, ipnet:128.173.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[vt.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 19:19:31 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:55:42 +0700, Victor Sudakov = wrote: > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:55:42 +0700 > From: Victor Sudakov > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux > Message-ID: <20200725065542.GG92589@admin.sibptus.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" >=20 > Dear Paul, >=20 > You have intrigued me. >=20 > Paul Mather wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> I also agree that this is a big disadvantage. Whenever I make my >> donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, and they ask in the donation form >> for comments on what you want them to work/focus on in the future, I >> always put a plug in for a native bhyve driver for docker-machine. >=20 > What would be run by the docker-machine in bhyve? Basically, it would be the same thing you would run when you use = docker-machine with the VirtualBox plugin: some sort of minimal shim = Linux distribution (akin to boot2docker or whatever is used nowadays). >> This would go some way to putting it on a par with Docker under = macOS, >> which uses HyperKit to interface with the built-in hypervisor under >> macOS (which is based on bhyve). MacOS is considered a "first class >> citizen" under the Docker ecosystem, or at least has great support = via >> Docker Desktop. >=20 > What does MacOS run in its hypervisor by the docker-machine? Some = linux > flavor? It does not have a native docker server, does it? Yes, AFAIK, macOS does not have a native Docker engine: it runs a small = Linux shim. As the Docker Desktop for Mac page = (https://hub.docker.com/editions/community/docker-ce-desktop-mac) puts = it, it features, "Fast and reliable performance with native macOS = virtualization running a custom minimal Linux distro." Bhyve =3D native FreeBSD virtualisation. >> Last I looked, FreeBSD only supported VirtualBox with >> docker-machine. It would be great to have native bhyve support. >=20 > I agree. It would only be a small step forward, but an improvement. Right now, = if you want to run Docker hosts on FreeBSD you typically have to use = docker-machine with VirtualBox. Having a bhyve docker-machine plugin = would let you run Docker hosts via bhyve, which is now a native FreeBSD = technology. You wouldn't have to install the VirtualBox port, with the = various headaches that brings involving keeping that port's kernel = modules in sync with the installed kernel. Docker is very well integrated with macOS via HyperKit/xhyve. A similar = approach should be possible under FreeBSD---probably not all the GUI = integration, but at least for the Docker hosts. As I keep saying, this = strikes me as a support limitation, not a technical limitation when it = comes to FreeBSD. :-) > But I thought, perhaps with the Linux binary compatibility, we could > avoid running a Linux in bhyve? The original sysutils/docker-freebsd achieved just that. It relied on = FreeBSD's Linux compatibility to run Linux Docker images directly. I = believe problems with completeness of the Linux emulation, but, more so, = the lack of maintainers/support for the port meant it fell behind and = ultimately was deleted. > Or can we convince Docker to start supporting jails (just a dream)? It's not so strange. There was some movement towards implementing the = open container specification for FreeBSD a while ago, e.g., Jetpack = (https://github.com/3ofcoins/jetpack) and runc = (https://github.com/clovertrail/runc/tree/1501-SupportOnFreeBSD). = Jetpack (more inspired by rkt I believe) even uses jails as its = isolation mechanism. Unfortunately, these projects appear to have become inactive, but I = guess they point to what is possible given the will and resources. Native Docker containers under FreeBSD is not such a strange notion. = It's my impression that native Docker containers under Windows is quite = a thing now. :-) Cheers, Paul.= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 20:00:38 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FEA36E48F for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDcPd5g4Kz4Zxb for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:00:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from odhiambo@gmail.com) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id C25B536E06D; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C222136E507 for ; 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RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:00:38 -0000 Hello everyone, I'm wondering if someone would be willing to assist me adapt a Linux init script to conform with FreeBSD-12 so that I can control Mailman3 that I have installed. I was thinking of relying on the one for mailman (2.1.x), but things seem a little different. So far this script below can start|stop mailman3 without a problem, but I'd like a situation where it can do the same across reboots. Please let me know what you think: root@gw:/opt/mailman/mm # less /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman3 ### BEGIN INIT INFO # Provides: GNU Mailman # Required-Start: $local_fs $network # Required-Stop: $local_fs $network # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 # Default-Stop: 0 1 6 # Short-Description: Mailman Service # Description: service control for Mailman ### END INIT INFO PATH=/opt/mailman/mm/bin:/opt/mailman/mm/venv/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin: DESC="GNU Mailman service" DAEMON=/opt/mailman/mm/bin/mailman NAME=mailman USER=mailman3 GROUP=mailman3 # Needed by click export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 # Exit if the package is not installed [ -x "$DAEMON" ] || exit 0 # Load the VERBOSE setting and other rcS variables #. /lib/init/vars.sh # Define LSB log_* functions. # Depend on lsb-base (>= 3.2-14) to ensure that this file is present # and status_of_proc is working. #. /lib/lsb/init-functions case "$1" in start) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && echo "Starting $DESC" "$NAME" # use --force to remove a stale lock. /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON start --force ;; stop) [ "$VERBOSE" != no ] && echo "Stopping $DESC" "$NAME" /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON stop ;; status) /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON status ;; reopen) /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON reopen ;; restart) log_daemon_msg "Restarting $DESC" "$NAME" /usr/local/bin/sudo -u $USER $DAEMON restart ;; *) echo "Usage: $SCRIPTNAME {start|stop|status|reopen|restart}" >&2 exit 3 ;; esac Thanks in advance for your input. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft.", grep ^[^#] :-) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 20:17:28 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C6536ED9C for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:17:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from p-impout001.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net (p-impout003aa.msg.pkvw.co.charter.net [47.43.26.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDcn30Qj3z4c7C for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:17:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com) Received: from Pauls-MacBook-Pro.local ([70.121.63.82]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id zQbfjNzQuyLuYzQbgj1Y1N; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:17:20 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=K4pc4BeI c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=iItF4zHBhGCJeUd1/CPJzQ==:117 a=iItF4zHBhGCJeUd1/CPJzQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=L4XAsqgaPXb1JPtgeXEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Paul Schmehl Subject: mailman and python27 Message-ID: <86642762-a7ee-e7e1-4fd2-36f17c1f97a0@tx.rr.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:17:19 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfHgjQH1NoBCvRdvHxkK5oi+ndfRgXIPgu+6x6DqQXaP1Bbpmeb/GnC2H9ze6V8OQqvXsxKlhZ1+UNmFGnAvrAfFHgqaA+zfttcEFmhRptzUKCx5Uwten V+P/DLBBETWSXYZEl4j+jrPrJaD5hCXrVURjZoqJgxyk2V/HskqyyfbfDMKGFL8O7Be2McSQzV/IpyDJCkhnhBifbirAuwlMX5w= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDcn30Qj3z4c7C X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com designates 47.43.26.134 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pschmehl_lists@tx.rr.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.23 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.85)[-0.852]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:47.43.26.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[rr.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.80)[-0.796]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.28)[-0.283]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:40294, ipnet:47.43.24.0/21, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[70.121.63.82:received] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:17:28 -0000 I see that Python 27 is going away. Also, Mailman is still at version 2 and requires Python 27. Are there any plans to update Mailman to version 3? If not, I need to devise a conversion path to a different mail list software. -- Paul Schmehl, Retired My opinions are my own. ******************************************* "It is as useless to argue with those who have renounced the use of reason as to administer medication to the dead." Thomas Jefferson "There are some ideas so wrong that only a very intelligent person could believe in them." 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I think that might be helpful to others as well. Cheers On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 2:38 PM Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:25:19 -0400, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > In working with the "pkg fetch .." command, I notice that the coles come > > back with the ".txz" extension. > > > > In my reading on FreeBSD, it seems that the common extension is a ".tbz" > > Those extensions mean different things. > > > > > So then, I am wondering how to either have "pkg fetch" return ".tbz" > files > > or perhaps there is a way to convert the ".txz" files. > > > > Any insight on this? > > The extensions usually identify what 't' that is is a tar > archive, and "xz" indicates the kind of compression. There > are many: > > ----- filename extensions ----- ------- compression -------- > short long alternate meaning tar option > ------------------------------------------------------------ > .tar tar > .tgz .tar.gz tar + GNU zip -z > .tbz .tar.bz .tar.bz2 tar + bzip -j > .txz .tar.xz tar + xz -J > > BSD tar supports them all, it can conveniently combine the > uncompression and extraction operations. > > Also see "man 1 xz" and "man 1 bzip2" for details, as well > as "man 1 tar", of course. :-) > > In order to convert a .txz to a .tbz archive, you can use > the tools mentioned above to uncompress and recompress the > content. Note that there are various options that can affect > the compression level. > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 20:28:35 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB2E36F35D for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:28:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.13]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDd1t2c19z4ccr for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:28:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.23.103]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N5W4y-1ksw4b3QqI-016wPI; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:28:31 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:28:31 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lonnie Cumberland Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tbz file from pkg Message-Id: <20200725222831.745f5418.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20200725203801.9a4965b8.freebsd@edvax.de> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jAfhIH9ZiWm+pMdebE/VjFjtNgzCaPqpV5uHaSY0s4jfEQu9Y2l rm6ER65Mi/+BUYbhoUp7xwqY2D1tTVot1rRrsGvbmeUXisCOsjggxYh+jA8HHJTF7Innj9N y8lQe5e4pXgxuUojHM/i+06vRfdv0jXus9XMhWtkwX/U/veg4jk7sI4nmkN2w/IfGRyhWeW 554Hfm2qJt/8p1lK8bXqg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:uoGQ7foLvt4=:p0HRU2Jn2V7Q6aVnbvYxpN 9syYix9mGu08C163psmC3mqVMAeQEL1rbaRiaiRkqkTyqomY5KjAwMciOHoc+FLmt/DZ88908 e3rDaHcxipW5ULkQCOY8zTVu6k2/6vVpHTgWwlBnQ5AIt60VV0q+2+AAHPSIRdKPTYw/RwJTf MXNOwc+IbnZMBoFjOyWitbsmfbW0GfQcSB0auFT9QO6ssTD2V0dsCFR7oQk8eSVH7P7Nf6YJC /GLMx56qxeXkpsXhsjdMP3hlx9pcpfkPk2Jl3Y4ko3mkOz0GxkacDgeRk4YQaC6F8stRS/KN9 uhBQP67wT5kLcGYKuR5Jy3S5t0VoH7CgdsAkS3d519WH7rXCy7mLQLNxVHaIvKkr6Vu9/QAOK F5q5TrYkkaMLcXXs5Rfk4MVlJbdzAeHWIbtnOerxg37ynJkBmt8rmrArpIYtqmH0TpeOJ4Ta2 fB3fMGHWzdV3NVvG51JkaBiOwPuA2lhgCkHLgx5510dnvpjFr8XfR5HJmQFdYymTCtqaKvOe8 qd7fVncgF5HVemWTZXxvxInz8YMZeXTlVb4VcmH2+n1Hzh+0g/YxKvywLegZ2JifATUh+nNM0 oCbCUbt8Y/kn8sQRf6ck7TD+Prn5x9+VeF+/0hNx4eqdEueLLshfVjT6NRHgokFPnkHwKrThP e1YydHVjWfCj+HzPkTmuhqcVAk0rIiZsdnPq4NLunsVitHzaliAptpyxj8LYrZlaS7cojWjS9 zTq7nhSWbQLM16HNCEts3ySB4jgkrQZ1MgmERo2lXLAJ6CTTBFg+619XyRWKEssXSI1GLTP/z 4SXnMg4J/Mpbxyy3KGTmQxI7tshSrfG1/9Sv2JMGcyBip1YVEY6DZCx1IFOIuTfaQbZWUT2 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDd1t2c19z4ccr X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.13) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.45 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.23.103:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.15)[0.154]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.43)[-0.431]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.33)[0.331]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.13:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:28:35 -0000 On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 16:23:46 -0400, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Since the pkg command returns txz (tar+xz) compressed files during a > fetch, I am going to try to come up with a shell script that will loop > through all of the txz files in a folder [...] That is precisely called a directory. ;-) > [...] and convert each one to a tbz > (tar+bzip2) compressed file. > > I think that might be helpful to others as well. May I ask which specific case you need this for? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 20:56:10 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7524D37031E for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:56:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDddj381Jz4f1Z for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:56:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Ask stupid questions and you'll get a stupid answers, was: Technological advantages over Linux Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:56:06 -0600 References: <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200215083359.367d8a3e9ddb4942df67d5b5@sohara.org> <58202623-bbf7-eda0-5cb5-fb4749e91e20@watters.ws> <6318251A-973A-4DEC-9271-12333EB11F7B@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <20200725152412.GJ92589@admin.sibptus.ru> Message-Id: <6DF45E1F-5F76-432C-99F4-69E6198EFF73@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3649) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDddj381Jz4f1Z X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.96 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.916]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.995]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.65)[-0.645]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 20:56:10 -0000 On 25 Jul 2020, at 09:24, Victor Sudakov wrote: > Michael Watters wrote: >>=20 >> On 7/24/2020 9:39 AM, Ottavio Caruso via freebsd-questions wrote: >>> Why do I have to choose between Linux and FreeBSD? Why can't I have >>> both? I also use NetBSD, OpenBSD, Android, occasionally Windows. Am = I >>> a traitor? Am I an infidel? >=20 >> While it's fun to test out and play with different OSes it makes life >> much simpler if you standardize on *one* platform. Most = organizations >> have standards and policies about what operating systems are allowed = on >> their servers. >=20 > This is very true. And when it comes to choice between Linux and > FreeBSD (as a company policy), despite my love for FreeBSD and long = time > (over 20 years) experience therewith, I find there is very little I = can > now rationally present as arguments to choose FreeBSD over Linux. The tipping point for me has been the explosion in Docker use. It is trivial to throw up a minimal Linux server and then load a ton of = docker containers on it, and that is a combination that is hard to beat. = I have opinions on tis, of course, but they are not relevant to this. I setup a machine for someone to act as a HTPC using linux and a = half-dozen docker containers. It took about an hour, and the system is = largely idiot-proof. I'm not sure it would have been possible to use the = same software at all under FreeBSD and it certainly would have taken = much much longer. That said, I will continue to use FreeBSD for the mail server and my = stuff because I am used to *BSD and I find it annoying when I have to = switch to Linux, so the real stuff is still FreeBSD and will be. But a = lot of stuff is already Linux and will continue to be. --=20 'It's still a lie. Like the lie about masks.' 'What lie about masks?' 'The way people say they hide faces.' 'They do hide faces,' said Nanny Ogg. 'Only the one on the outside.' --Maskerade From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 21:04:58 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08FF37056B for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:04:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDdqt1W1bz4fhH for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:04:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: mailman and python27 Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:04:56 -0600 References: <86642762-a7ee-e7e1-4fd2-36f17c1f97a0@tx.rr.com> To: FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <86642762-a7ee-e7e1-4fd2-36f17c1f97a0@tx.rr.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3649) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDdqt1W1bz4fhH X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.97 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.90)[-0.898]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.996]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.67)[-0.673]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:04:58 -0000 On 25 Jul 2020, at 14:17, Paul Schmehl wrote: > I see that Python 27 is going away. Also, Mailman is still at version = 2 and requires Python 27. Are there any plans to update Mailman to = version 3? If not, I need to devise a conversion path to a different = mail list software. Have you contacted the maintainer? (mandree@FreeBSD.org) IIRC, this came up a few years ago and the maintainer was not interested = in mailman 3? There was a mailman3 port at one point, but it seems to be gone from my = ports directory now. --=20 All things being equal, fat people use more soap. 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Cheers and have a great weekend, Lonnie On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 4:23 PM Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > Thanks All, > > Since the pkg command returns txz (tar+xz) compressed files during a > fetch, I am going to try to come up with a shell script that will loop > through all of the txz files in a folder and convert each one to a tbz > (tar+bzip2) compressed file. > > I think that might be helpful to others as well. > Cheers > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 2:38 PM Polytropon wrote: > >> On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:25:19 -0400, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: >> > In working with the "pkg fetch .." command, I notice that the coles come >> > back with the ".txz" extension. >> > >> > In my reading on FreeBSD, it seems that the common extension is a ".tbz" >> >> Those extensions mean different things. >> >> >> >> > So then, I am wondering how to either have "pkg fetch" return ".tbz" >> files >> > or perhaps there is a way to convert the ".txz" files. >> > >> > Any insight on this? >> >> The extensions usually identify what 't' that is is a tar >> archive, and "xz" indicates the kind of compression. There >> are many: >> >> ----- filename extensions ----- ------- compression -------- >> short long alternate meaning tar option >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> .tar tar >> .tgz .tar.gz tar + GNU zip -z >> .tbz .tar.bz .tar.bz2 tar + bzip -j >> .txz .tar.xz tar + xz -J >> >> BSD tar supports them all, it can conveniently combine the >> uncompression and extraction operations. >> >> Also see "man 1 xz" and "man 1 bzip2" for details, as well >> as "man 1 tar", of course. :-) >> >> In order to convert a .txz to a .tbz archive, you can use >> the tools mentioned above to uncompress and recompress the >> content. 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Basically, I am working on trying to add the FreeBSD 12.1 "xorg-minimal" set of packages (excluding those that are really not needed) to the mfsBDF mini iso being generated. If all goes well then the mfsBSD that I create will have an extremely small ISO footprint and have a minimal xserver working as well. I have my core mfsBSD ISO from FreeBSD 12.1 coming in at 30MB now and am hoping to seek it still small with these xorg-minimal additions. This little flavor of FreeBSD will basically have the core kernel, small xorg, xterm, and and RDP and/or VNC client with no other packages since ultra small is the name of the game here to see how small I can go with it. That's the goal at least. Cheers On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 4:28 PM Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 16:23:46 -0400, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > Since the pkg command returns txz (tar+xz) compressed files during a > > fetch, I am going to try to come up with a shell script that will loop > > through all of the txz files in a folder [...] > > That is precisely called a directory. ;-) > > > > > [...] and convert each one to a tbz > > (tar+bzip2) compressed file. > > > > I think that might be helpful to others as well. > > May I ask which specific case you need this for? > > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 21:29:26 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F013711AC for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 21:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDfN50Jjwz3RvP for ; 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do echo "Found: $txz"; > name=$(echo "$txz" | sed -e 's/\.[^.]*$//'); mkdir -p tmp/$name; tar -xjf > $txz -C tmp/$name; cd tmp/$name; tar cvfj ../../$name.tbz .; cd ../..; rm > -Rf tmp/$name; rm -Rf tmp; done > > maybe it will be of help to others as well. Allow me a little addition: The first parameter to find should be a directory. If you are already in the directory where the files are stored, use ".". Note that using -iname will also process *.Txz or *.TXZ, if that is desired. If you want to remove the extension, you don't need to use sed for this: The shell - I assume it is sh - can do this for you: For example, if txz="foo-1.2.3_4,5.txz", then ${txz%.*} or ${txz%.txz} will be "foo-1.2.3_4,5". See section "Parameter Expansion" in "man 1 sh" for details. :-) Another suggestion would maybe be to omit the "store, repackage, delete" step and use a pipe. Maybe it would also be possible to omit the "extract" part altogether: Have xz only decompress (result is a regular tar file), then bzip2 recompress, that could also be possible without a temporary file if you can use |. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 25 22:12:21 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD6B371867 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:12:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com (mail-il1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BDgKb5sjpz3TRq for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lonnie@outstep.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id t4so10097051iln.1 for ; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:12:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Mj9rnnJyFqjlvF1cVOy7BExTGjE5eOGhEjTVv3iZAcM=; b=kpCK3I0Q/o0FBEMnCtmRIZPI2El0ZL/uQKsXUPgp4QRPpYwPwybOyk2WIGnpxLsW9Z /6GIPs2b72dvnW0KIgT/duldjiRdSXM/xkpuiGNl3dgfzAT2qNvS/i4dnqbosEAjFmiQ Kq/Jp0kOUeF/DIwgbM56MLOY/U0sR8CN7MO5SUDgo2vLJLwLJFCu7FCJyduqjA8zmafv TNBtr+AHre6rCfGKw/OAOJ55/9vJ1jXp3B3EXrcsQ1Pxu4iyWpw2w15ivYHXWzf8pIRh poZRy/w7A3HGr+6GyuibgkQAdsy41PNQJexYf6+l0QH0ZF/JSszjNlvflQV+VsiGxZfu YWDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Mj9rnnJyFqjlvF1cVOy7BExTGjE5eOGhEjTVv3iZAcM=; b=N6kzcDOVhBYNhjUtzIVveIlFxPmcozeSVSnW1MJLzQ2Qp7TAwDSfXirhfjlMG55b17 0Ucu9IjoINjWmCe/RM6AYzrQBIlRM91Lvf421/4T1pfXdG4BrIa3hDq6EpQ2LFNE50Tc nQqyIBrh4kx3VcLSfxUlE/UTiSjk/gVa9c1/0WghQ/Btq/Ppaa/19rh+lBDhzEBW/0Yw 8blrTD8MVmI7prPzMtyWzP1ygqJ8ggxzUeGxoC05tb/u+9pn5j1ojCwW2iG/KXjBIQ9D q09HqKSXfkfpjXe0phnO7QqDSClLrM1XWSQfqowxPQiybcmTahQ8tdk2xz4vGiOJexX3 uA8w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5334kd5XSn3JA1v07eneuywV+kg5OfRXnOWCUBy/dbhpbLOtA9rr Fvv6Gu3qESy54XdzezNdhQ1xA3l4SDIxm7AGON8mgA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwmQe0Z3AHMPLXHtNx/KjR8tC12/x9/CyDlK1cVzBzzJfsapekF5aUS//RV0it6ZiqgZj2xYIroUm7OGGmauVY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6e02:545:: with SMTP id i5mr12497623ils.59.1595715138693; Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:12:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200725203801.9a4965b8.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200725232921.be0dd463.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20200725232921.be0dd463.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Lonnie Cumberland Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:12:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: tbz file from pkg To: Polytropon Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BDgKb5sjpz3TRq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=kpCK3I0Q; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=outstep.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f is neither permitted nor denied by domain of lonnie@outstep.com) smtp.mailfrom=lonnie@outstep.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.86 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.991]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.02)[-1.020]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[outstep-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.65)[-0.649]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[outstep.com : No valid SPF, DKIM not aligned (relaxed), none] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:12:21 -0000 Yea, those are great suggestions and I will test them out too. I thought about it but have not played with piping a lot so I did not want to spend a lot of time down that pathway for now, but it's definitely something that I need to get better at using. I'm not an expert by any means and just put that together to take a directory full of txz files and repackage them into tbz files so that I can possibly use them within the mfsBSD scripts. It can definitely be improved upon by better skill people. On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 5:29 PM Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:15:53 -0400, Lonnie Cumberland wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > I find that I do not need a fully blown shell script, so I cobbled > together > > a single set of shell commands that will convert "*.txz" file to "*.tbz" > > files and it seems to work. > > > > # find *txz -iname '*txz' | while read txz; do echo "Found: $txz"; > > name=$(echo "$txz" | sed -e 's/\.[^.]*$//'); mkdir -p tmp/$name; tar -xjf > > $txz -C tmp/$name; cd tmp/$name; tar cvfj ../../$name.tbz .; cd ../..; rm > > -Rf tmp/$name; rm -Rf tmp; done > > > > maybe it will be of help to others as well. > > Allow me a little addition: > > The first parameter to find should be a directory. If you are > already in the directory where the files are stored, use ".". > Note that using -iname will also process *.Txz or *.TXZ, if > that is desired. > > If you want to remove the extension, you don't need to use sed > for this: The shell - I assume it is sh - can do this for you: > For example, if txz="foo-1.2.3_4,5.txz", then ${txz%.*} or > ${txz%.txz} will be "foo-1.2.3_4,5". > > See section "Parameter Expansion" in "man 1 sh" for details. :-) > > Another suggestion would maybe be to omit the "store, repackage, > delete" step and use a pipe. Maybe it would also be possible > to omit the "extract" part altogether: Have xz only decompress > (result is a regular tar file), then bzip2 recompress, that could > also be possible without a temporary file if you can use |. > > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... >