From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Feb 1 13:03:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D81216A400 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E57413C494 for ; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from coolf89ea26645 (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id l11D3Zx50936; Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:03:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Message-ID: <013801c74601$2bbd0cf0$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Jeremy Faulkner" References: <45BE469F.70001@mts.net> <015f01c74512$af52b730$3c01a8c0@coolf89ea26645> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:02:02 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 Cc: Eric Hildebrandt , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Torrent Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 13:03:44 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeremy Faulkner" To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Cc: "Eric Hildebrandt" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD Torrent Server > On 1/31/07, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > > > Why? > > > > FreeBSD isn't commercial software, there's no need to go through > > all the hocus pocus to conceal the uploader so the RIAA doesen't > > sue him. Standard FTP works perfectly fine at any of the mirror sites, > > and you will get your ISO no slower. > > > > Ted > > Bittorrent does nothing to conceal the uploader's identity. > > The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of Amarica) doesn't give a > damn about the piracy of commercial software, the RIAA cares about the > piracy of music distributed by their member companies. The > RIAA exists to be the bully for their member companies and to draw the > negative public relations away from those member companies. > Which is exactly why I cannot understand why anyone would want to use bittorrent to legitimately distribute anything. Why use a service that the RIAA is actively attacking, because such service is being used to illegally distribute pirated music? It's called guilt by association. For the same reason I would be very dismayed if a large porno site like playboy.com, hustler.com, etc. put a bunch of banners on their website offering free downloads of FreeBSD. Those porno sites are being used for the perfectly legal distribution of images legally obtained, by willing participants, all above board, monitored, and such. From a technical perspecitve, the porno sites have some of the best bandwidth available. You could make a dozen freedom of speech, etc. arguments about how it would be a great thing if those sites started distributing FreeBSD. But, it would be nothing more than a public relations disaster. Sure, bittorrent can be used to legally distribute software. So can porno sites. But, with all the number of willing FTP mirrors out there, who are engaged in noncontroversial businesses, is it really necessary to deal with bittorrent? The FreeBSD Beastie was struck from his position as logo for FreeBSD for some EXTREMELY minor controversy surrounding religions icons. Well, using a Devil image didn't pirate anyone software or break a law. Yet Beastie was axed for exactly the same "guilt by association" reasons. It seems to be EXTREMELY hipocritical to on one hand, strike out Beastie for some morons based on a guilt by association reason, then on the other hand turn a blind eye to the guilt by association of using a service, bittorrent, that is extremely heavily used for distribution of pirated software and music, to distribute FreeBSD. Ted