From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 27 19:23:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394EA16A420 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:23:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from harmony.bsdimp.com (vc4-2-0-87.dsl.netrack.net [199.45.160.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98CFF43D46 for ; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:23:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by harmony.bsdimp.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k0RJL84R070757; Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:21:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:21:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20060127.122107.39462856.imp@bsdimp.com> To: rizzo@icir.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20060127104845.D46957@xorpc.icir.org> References: <20060127005500.A38764@xorpc.icir.org> <43DA699E.8030803@elischer.org> <20060127104845.D46957@xorpc.icir.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (harmony.bsdimp.com [127.0.0.1]); Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:21:10 -0700 (MST) Cc: julian@elischer.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if_flags usage etc. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:23:08 -0000 In message: <20060127104845.D46957@xorpc.icir.org> Luigi Rizzo writes: : On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 10:42:38AM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: : > Luigi Rizzo wrote: : > : > >On Fri, Jan 27, 2006 at 12:39:27AM -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: : ... : > >>Actually, the ifmedia approach has a cleaner way of dealing. mii uses : > >>ifmedia. ifmedia reports all the possible media types to ifconfig, : > >>and then reports its status. mii has a nearly identical way of : > >>doing this for devices with mii busses, or pseudo mii busses. : > >> : > >>ed should likely be fully converted to using ifmedia, but I'm not sure : > >>I want to risk breaking ISA cards that I don't have access to to make : > >>it so. I just don't have the time... : > >> : > >> : > > : > >to tell the truth, -current is so heavyweight for obsolete : > >hardware that i wonder what is the point of trying to support : > >old hardware that nobody has anymore, or on which nobody : > >would upgrade the OS from 4.x to 7.x : > > : > > : > : > ehem.. I have several ed pc-cards on -current machines.. That particular : > design may be : > old but it's really cheap and still used a LOT in cheap/small stuff. : > especially since it is usable at 100Mb transparently with some cards. : : a bit of context, Julian, please... : Warner was worried about breaking support for : 'ISA cards that I don't have access to'; : if you, Julian, have such card for testing, then there is : not a problem of testing and fixing trivial bugs. During my usual testing regiment, I test about 20 different flavors of NE-2000 base PC Cards. I believe that my PC Card testing is clost to exhaustive in terms of flavors of card that are supported. I also test two or three ISA cards if time and circumstances permit. The ed driver supports many other ISA cards than I have access to. I also try to test PCI cards, but I have to test that on a SBC at work which I have limited access to. I have a bunch of CBUS cards, but my pc98 machine is having issues[*] at the moment, otherwise I'd try to test them as well... Of course, I don't run the whole gammet of cards for each change. Just retrieving the cards from my card storage; plugging them in; doing minimal testing; and then putting them back in storage for my PC Card collection takes between 2 and 3 hours (between 5 and 10 minutes per card once all is said and done). Warner [*] It hasn't been re-setup after my machine room rearrangement.