From owner-freebsd-stable Sat Apr 27 22:52:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D203737B41C; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020428055215.COLB8969.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Sun, 28 Apr 2002 05:52:15 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g3S5qFcB057894; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:52:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g3S5q5B0057893; Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200204280552.g3S5q5B0057893@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20020416 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Doug Barton , JJ Behrens , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Release notes (was Re: *** HEAD'S UP ***) In-reply-to: <20020426144403.D35038@mail.webmonster.de> References: <20020422114407.B21612@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20020423215717.S66402-100000@master.gorean.org> <20020424125400.F87244@mail.webmonster.de> <200204241304.g3OD4slv062649@intruder.bmah.org> <20020425152543.A13500@mail.webmonster.de> <200204251544.g3PFipCV075997@intruder.bmah.org> <200204251554.g3PFseCS076137@intruder.bmah.org> <20020426144403.D35038@mail.webmonster.de> Comments: In-reply-to "Karsten W. Rohrbach" message dated "Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:44:03 +0200." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 22:52:05 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, "Karsten W. Rohrbach" wrote: > > He/she can either read it on the Web (as presented many times before), > > or look in src/release/doc/README if he/she wants to build the release > > documentation from scratch. I'm receptive to concrete suggestions for > > this file. > > a pointer to your relnotes page should be contained in /usr/src/README. Thank you. It's on my list of things to do. I was working on some more general text for the handbook along these lines, but it's not ready yet. > > I'd also claim that someone doing source upgrades to a FreeBSD system=20 > > isn't a "newbie", or they *shouldn't* be. :-) > > the problem is, that people MUST fix their systems somehow. due to > freebsd's nature of being easily upgraded from source, and the > non-availability of RELENG isos, as stated in other threads on -stable > and -security, using cvsup is their only choice. _there is not a single > other option for them_, and that's the main problem here where i see an > improvement to make freebsd more popular, especially for folks who > just "give it a spin" to decide if they want to use it instead of=20 > [arbitrary unix flavor goes here]. I think you're overstating the case for people needing to do source upgrades. I used to jump between RELEASEs for years (between 2.1.0 and 3.4) and I was quite happy with this. It sounds like you're saying every single FreeBSD user needs to be able to track -STABLE. Cheers, Bruce. PS. http://snapshots.jp.freebsd.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message