From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Jan 6 14:21:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id OAA22866 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:21:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from violet.berkeley.edu (violet.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.155.22]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA22859 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:21:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by violet.berkeley.edu (8.7.1/1.33r) id OAA05502; Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:21:18 -0800 Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 14:21:18 -0800 From: jkh@violet.berkeley.edu (Jordan K. Hubbard) Message-Id: <199601062221.OAA05502@violet.berkeley.edu> To: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: If you want to see a FreeBSD magazine, please respond to this one! Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Path: agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!tsunami.ixa.net!news.aa.net!ripple.ssc.com!fyl From: fyl@ssc.com (Phil Hughes) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Subject: Re: a monthly FreeBSD magazine (and other *BSD's too) Followup-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc Date: 6 Jan 1996 16:50:43 GMT Organization: SSC, Inc,. Seattle, WA Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4cm993$m5m@Holly.aa.net> References: <4ajc07$sb7@unix2.glink.net.hk> <4bs4cu$mkm@gandalf.compumedia.com> <4bujan$6is@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <4buu82$1di@cynic.portal.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.157.223.200 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: agate comp.os.linux.advocacy:42116 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:14169 comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc:2210 For those who don't immediately recognize me, I am the publisher of Linux Journal. About two weeks ago I posted note in this thread about what it would take to get us (or someone else) to start a *BSD magazine. Someone had suggested that many of the Linux Journal readers really used *BSD and just read LJ because there was no *BSD magazine. I suggested that if the *BSD community was out there, they should speak up. That is, we get lots of letters to the editor of LJ and none that I can remember have said "I use *BSD, not Linux". In response to this request for input I have received one piece of e-mail. You guys are going to need to do a lot better than that if you want anyone in the publishing industry to take you seriously. This is not intended to taunt anyone. I really would like to see some response and, if it appears, I would either entertain SSC publishing an BSD-related magazine or helping someone else start such a publication. But, right now, we have support from many of the Linux developers, about 30,000 readers (subscribers, newsstand sales and show give-aways) and from the commercial community in the form of advertising. As for advertising, one of our advertisers had to be dragged into the Linux community. A majority of the sales of one of their products and a substantial portion of their company business is now to Linux users. Joanne Wagner (LJ advertising representative) and I know what it takes to get people to advertise in an unknown magazine covering a "free" and unknown market. We know because we did it with Linux Journal. FreeBSD, NETBSD, etc need to be able to show potential advertisers what the magazine will do for them or they need to find someone who has a pile of money and thinks blowing $20,000-$50,000/issue would be fun. -- Phil Hughes, SSC, Inc. P.O. Box 55549, Seattle, WA 98155 (206)PUBS-REF >>> Publishers of pocket references for UNIX, C, ..., Linux Journal <<< E-mail: phil@ssc.com Phone: (206)782-7733 Fax: (206)782-7191 SSC/Linux Journal web site: http://www.ssc.com/