From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 20 22:47:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DEFE106566C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave-freebsd@pooserville.com) Received: from smtp.pooserville.com (mail.pooserville.com [69.26.223.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161808FC15 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.pooserville.com) by smtp.pooserville.com with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id LQ90MD-000GMY-C5; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:47:01 -0500 Received: from [76.183.154.110] (account dave-sa@pooserville.com HELO [192.168.74.51]) by mail.pooserville.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 983233; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:47:01 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.12.0.110505 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:46:58 -0500 From: Dave Pooser Sender: Dave Pooser To: Adam Vande More Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A quality operating system In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: A quality operating system X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:47:02 -0000 On 8/20/11 4:38 PM, "Adam Vande More" wrote: >freebsd-update works quite well and quickly on systems with a custom >kernel with the additional caveat you *should* rebuild and install the >kernel afterward, and even this isn't always necessary. This is assuming >you're on RELEASE or some BETA. An honest question here-- how many people run production servers on RELEASE, never mind BETA? Mine has been running on STABLE, first 8.1 and then 8.2. I hold no brief for the original poster; I think he probably was trolling. I'm pretty sure Vadim Goncharov was NOT trolling on freebsd-arch when he wrote the message Test Rat referenced . And guess what his post listed as the biggest hinderance to wider adoption? === > 1. Social (psychologic) problems of community (marketing, docs, ...). This is the most important one, because all technical problems are just won't get solved because are even not viewed as problems. The FreeBSD Project does not listen to users' needs. The typical response when poor user want something is: "we don't need this, we won't change for you", with "where are your patches?" at best. Then many users go out when see such attitude toward them. The key points are: 1) *The competent user is not zealot*. 2) The system is *for users, not for developers*. === I probably would have been wiser not to respond to this thread at all; once the OP threw the bait out there people were bound to get angry and defensive. But Vadim's post resonated with me, as he covered many of the reasons I'd decided to retire FreeBSD in my company, so I figured I'd add one more perspective. -- Dave Pooser Cat-Herder-in-Chief, Pooserville.com "...Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna