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Date:      Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:16:48 -0500
From:      Mike <owensmk@earthlink.net>
To:        questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Atheists Manifesto
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If this is a sterling example of an atheist (people who are too lazy to
check their spelling when engaging in an informed(?) discussion) I would
run to religion by default. Thankfully I am already there---one of those
uneducated, provincial Christians, as the author would have it, with a
masters degree in chemical engineering.

Could someone please open a "gratuitous-dogma@freebsd.org" for posts
like this. I doubt that anybody joined this list to be beleaguered by
such spurious, half-baked blather. FreeBSD, I believe, is the topic
here.

However, I would, for our budding athiest's sake, like to close with a
quote from Charles Darwin's "Origin of Species:" 

	There is grandeur in this view of life with its several
	powers having been originally breathed by the Creator into
	a few forms or into one; and that, while this planet has
	gone cycling on, according to the fixed law of gravity, from
	so simple a beginning endless forms, most beautiful and most
	wonderful, have been and are being evolved.



Anonymous Athiest wrote:
> 
> This is document has not been run through a spell checker or edited
> properly.  The text isn't what's important.  The message is what's
> important.  Feel free to run this through a spell checker before
> redistributing the message.  If you agree with what is said here, please
> distribute it further.  If you do not agree, at least consider what is being
> said with an open mind.
> 
>    The Athiest's Manifesto
> 
>  We live in a world full of Gods.  Many different cultures have many
> different Gods.  There are two classes of Gods.  The Gods of the past, which
> usually come in groups, which were generally used to explain things that the
> people did not understand.  From the roaming patterns of buffalo, to
> lightning and echos, people have made up stories to explain things they did
> not understand, because ignorance of a subject leads to fear of it.  Lack of
> knowlege can be frightening.  Still, the people of today look back at these
> anchient religions and call them "myths".  They chuckle when they think of
> the ignorance required to believe that the sun is a God's Chariot.
> 
>  This brings us to the Gods of the present.  Today's religions are commonly
> Monotheistic, relying on the belief of a single all powerful God.  Today's
> Gods usually provide us with two messages.  One is a social code which lays
> out a model of society for people to abide by.  The other is a explination
> of the fundamental questions which people tend to ask.  "Where did we come
> from ?"  "Why are we here ?" and "What happens when we die ?".  None of
> these questions can be answered to anyone's true satisfaction.  Ignorance
> creates insecurity, therefore the people need to find a way to fill in this
> gap in their knowlege.  The most common religion in the world today is
> Christianity and it's derivitives (Catholicism, Mormon, Islam, etc).
> Christianity provides the social code, and it also fills in the gaps in our
> knowlege, explaining the answers to these questions via the written and
> translated stories of people who lived 2000 years ago.
> 
>  What kind of people existed 2000 years ago ?  By our standards today, they
> were ignorant, violent, socially obtuse, and worse.  They treated women as
> objects, and slavery for both sex and labor was common.  The people of this
> era were far less advanced than the Greeks, who's beliefs we laugh at today.
> And yet, some how, the words, stories, and beliefs of these people are taken
> as absolute fact by millions of people all over the world today.
> Christianity speaks of Jesus of Nazerith, the Christ, the son of God, who
> was born of a virgin, and walked about the people of the time and performed
> miracles and preached the word of God.  Because of the historical impact of
> the man referred to, one can hardly deny that a man named Jesus of Nazerith
> exists, however, in order to believe the rest of his tale, you must take the
> word of ignorant people  of the past as fact with no proof, evidence, or
> other information.  This is commonly referred to as "blind faith".
> 
>  Millions of people choose to dedicate hours, days, and years of their life
> worshipping this Christian God.  They are so certain that these people of
> the past, whom they probably aren't even decended from, are speaking the
> truth, that they are willing to devote their entire lives to this "story".
> They believe in a God, who in the past performed many many miracles, but for
> some reason has decided to discontinue his supernatural behaviors.  God no
> longer comes to earth and speaks with men, as he did in the past.
> 
>  Why is it people are blind to the fact that they are emulating the same
> behaviors they criticize the Greeks, American Indians, and others for ?  How
> can anyone honestly take this 2000 year old story as fact, with no evidence,
> and devote thier entire lives to it ?  I would like to put forth my theory
> on that subject.
> 
>  As we've estabished, the people of today have the same types of
> insecurities that need "explaining".  The fear of death has made men invent
> the world of spirituality.  The idea that when one dies, that is the end;
> that one's bones go into the ground and decompose, is too frightening or
> depressing to people.  So instead, they have to believe that some part of
> them is immortal.  That they can always live on in some form or another.  I
> call this an emotional crutch.  It's a way of dealing with one's
> insecurities about our lives.  It makes us feel important, like we're
> something more than a street sweeper, or garbage collector.  We're all
> immortal souls with a much more glorious future ahead of us.  This emotional
> crutch helps many people get through the day with a little self esteem and
> hope, and I don't begrudge them their crutch.  What I do disagree with is
> the ignorance, but I would not be one to demand that others give up their
> emotional crutches in the name of enlightenment.  I believe that enforcing
> your beliefs on another person, especially beliefs based solely on blind
> faith, to be the highest crime one human can do to another, short of taking
> their life.
> 
>  So if we, the atheist, are going to allow the street sweeper to believe,
> and we're going to choose not to believe, then what is the problem ?  What
> is the purpose of this manefesto ?  I believe that atheists are condemned by
> the majority of the population.  Those of us who are secure enough in our
> own existance, and who feel that the 70 plus or minus 5 years on this earth
> is all we have, are treated like unholy fools.  Those who will be punished
> in the afterlife.  Those who are infected with this mental epidemic tend to
> react to the atheist in one of several ways.  One way is to try to convert
> or convince the atheist that the 2000 year old story is true, and that the
> atheist needs to change his/her ways, lest they face eternal hellfire.  The
> second way is to simply exclude and disassociate from the atheist, perhaps
> making comments about the "poor" soul to other believers.
> 
>  You'll notice I referred to religion as a mental epidemic.  Many believers
> take this as an insult.  I label religion such, because of certain behaviors
> that today's "evolved" religions have.
> 
>  (1) Questioning the religion's validity, asking for proof, expressing
> skepticism, etc, are all considered to be "sins" or crimes under the
> religion.  In other words, independant, logical, unbiased thought are not
> allowed.  Back in the earlier times when the followers were a little more
> "rabid" people were burned to death for expressing such ideas.
> 
>  (2) Religion is taught to children at a VERY young age.  Basically, from
> kindergarden to adulthood, a believing parent is supposed to enroll the
> child in some kind of religous program like Sunday School.  The reason for
> this is to expose the child to religion at an early age, before rational
> logical thought develops.  This way, the child grows up with religion, so
> that any thoughts, ideas, concepts of atheism or disbelief are completely
> alien to them.  An analigous example would be Hitler's Youth.  Hitler also
> knew this concept well.  If you wish to spread an idea, and have it safe
> from independant or radical thought, ingrain it in the children before they
> can reason.  Today's religions have it down to a science, with songs,
> videos, and activities designed to make the child a believer before they
> truly even understand what God is.  If people waited until age 13-15 before
> introducing religion to their children, so that the children could
> rationally decide if this was what they wanted to believe, religion would
> not be such a wide spread epidemic.
> 
>  (3) Religions instruct their people to attempt to convert (or in some
> radical cases, kill) any disbelievers.  The kinder, more passive religions
> will simply ask their congregation to bring new people into the church every
> week.  Once a person visits the church once or twice, the church has them
> added to their mailing and phone lists.  They attempt to get the person to
> regularly attend.  Then they attempt to get the person to participate in a
> ritual, such as baptism or confession.  These are relatively benign
> activities, and usually can only trap the weak minded.  The more "active"
> religions send people out to visit your home.  They want to come in and talk
> to you about god and convince you that the 2000 year old story is true
> (because they say it is).  They run commercials, and give your free
> literature or free copies of the bible.  They'll do anything to convert you
> to their way.  Why ?  Because their religion specifies it.
> 
>  (4) Religion requires that you disbelieve anything scientific that might
> possibly contradict the religion.  We've all seen and heard religous people
> sit and argue about how the entire sciences of Biology, Genetics, and
> Physics are just plain wrong, because the 2000 year old story contradicts
> it.
> 
>  (5) Religion covers every base.  No matter what kind of argument or
> evidence you can bring up to attempt to contradict religion, the believer
> can always simply make up a little story or "possibility" of how God, using
> his supernatural powers, can simply have "made it that way".  Take for
> instance the Dinosaurs.  Either they didn't exist, and the bones "are really
> from contemporary animals, which are being fitted together incorrectly to
> look like a creature that never existed", or "God put those bones down
> there."  No one knows why.  Or how about how we are all decended from Adam
> and Eve ?  Adam and Eve must not have truely been human, or mankind would
> have died from inbred genetic diseases (insufficeient gene pool), after the
> first couple hundred generations.  And how did those people in the bible
> live for hundreds of years ?  Were the laws of physics and the nature of
> human biology that different back then ?  Religion fields these questions
> with ease.  "God made it that way".  "It's all part of God's plan".
> 
>  Beyond the grievences I have as an atheist living in a belief based
> society, I also have grievences as a human being.  I have a personal care
> and interest in the well-being of my species.  I would like to see mankind
> reach out into space, establish colonies on other planets and systems.
> Become something more than the proverbial 2 day mold on a piece of bread
> (before it is thrown out), before conditions in our solar system change and
> erase us from existance.  Truthfully, everyone should care about mankind's
> development.  The problem is this.  The religions are "anti-science" in many
> respects.  There are many things, like cloning, which we should not do
> because that is God's territory.  "Playing God" is not allowed.  Add that to
> the fact that many of man's best minds, people who could be possible
> Einsteins of certain fields, are robbed of their potential because they are
> infected with this mental disease.  If John Doe grows up believing that
> evolution, biology and genetics are in conflict with his religion, he
> certainly wouldn't excersize the possibility that maybe he would have become
> one of the best Geneticists in the history of the science.  Not only that,
> but those who don't believe, and wish to advance mankind's knowlege are
> restrained by the believers.  They are forced to move at a slow enough pace
> so that the religions can readjust, reevaluate, and reinterpret the words of
> their religion so that they don't reach a point in which they cannot explain
> how their religion can be true with science showing the oppisite.  Then
> there are such fanatics who spend every waking hour worshiping God, to the
> point which they're throwing away the most valuable thing they own.  Life.
> Real life, here on earth.  One only has so much time.  If one spends all of
> that time trying to get ahead on the "next" life, they are throwing this
> life away, and not contributing to the society and species as a whole.
> Religion is a serious drain on mankind's most important resources, manpower
> and time.  And no matter how much science proves that the world is 4 billion
> years old and not 15,000 years old, and that the universe was formed through
> the mixing and spreading of elements, and not by the wave of a magic wand,
> and no matter how many times scientists try to show that life on earth was
> formed by the interactions of nucleic acids (and it still is every day),
> it's absolutely impossible to convince a believer that the simplest answer
> is the correct answer.  The world is as it seems.  There is no second world,
> second life, greater power, or magic that makes it all possible.  And it's
> sad, because we need every one of those believers with us, here on earth,
> helping out, not praying in some church or temple in front of some clown in
> a suit or fancy religious outfit.
> 
>  I am an atheist.  I live in a world full of people, blind to their own
> ignorance, dedicated to a 2000 year old story written by people who's
> intellect doesn't even compare to an 8th grader.  I have to live with these
> people, respect thier beliefs, and endure their constant attempts to convert
> me into one of their ilk.  I have to watch as millions of man-years go down
> the drain, wasted away in foolishness.  I watch as other atheists have to
> hide their beliefs, to avoid being condemned by the believers and ostrasized
> from society.  But as I'm watching, I'm waiting.  I see with every
> generation, more and more people are simply "going through the motions".
> They take part in the process, but they don't really believe in it.  They
> simply do what is expected of them.  Soon, they reach a certain age or time
> in their life in which they no longer attend the church, but they "still
> believe".  They don't pray anymore but they "still believe".  They go about
> living their real lives, pretending to themselves and others that they
> believe.  These are a kind of "Casual Christians".  This behavior shows the
> deterioration of the true believers as a whole.  A pattern author Frank
> Herbert referred to as "rot at the core".  As parents become more and more
> lax about their own religious patterns, they begin to spare their children
> the foolishness of church and Sunday School.  Slowly the religious base of
> mankind is deteriorating.  People are giving less and less credability to
> the 2000 year old story, as they grow up in a world of computers, cloning,
> genetic therapy, and microbiology.  It's only a matter of time until,
> hopefully, enough of us break free of this mental disease and begin to live
> life for the here and now and not to please some imaginary God in order to
> gain entrance to some fantasy land.  I am not alone.  Talking privately with
> many others of my generation, I know I'm not the only one who thinks
> religious people are foolish.  While most will tell an adult they believe in
> God, it's simply because they don't want to experience the social punishment
> of being a disbeliever.  So we watch and wait.  Wait for the world to wake
> up from this 2000 year old dream.  Some day people will look back on
> Christianity the same way people look back at Zeus and Apollo.  They'll ask
> how a people who've mastered genetics, computers, atomic physics, etc, can
> possibly believe in such childish nonsense.  The answer is, most of us
> don't, we're just afraid to admit it, because we've seen what kind of
> violence the rabid religious can bring forth when their beliefs are
> threatened.  So rather than rising against religion and preaching against
> it, we watch and wait for it to die of apathy.  If we're wrong, we'll be
> condemned to hell for all eternity.  If the religious are wrong, then
> they'll have thrown away the single most valuable thing they possess.  Their
> life.  I am an atheist.  This is my manifesto.  It is the first step in
> curing the disease.
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