From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Apr 12 3:29:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B0837B653 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bduk@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (sdn-ar-003orportP242.dialsprint.net [63.178.68.132]) by merlin.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20924; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bduk@localhost) by earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08977; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:30:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bduk) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:30:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004121030.DAA08977@earthlink.net> From: Derrick Baumer To: grog@lemis.com Cc: eogren@earthlink.net, allenc@mindsieve.com, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20000412160401.M35391@freebie.lemis.com> (message from Greg Lehey on Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:04:01 +0930) Subject: Re: [MAILER-DAEMON@earthlink.net: Returned mail: Service unavailable] Reply-To: bduk@earthlink.net Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ) From: Greg Lehey ) ) On Tuesday, 11 April 2000 at 17:43:43 -0400, Allen Cleveland wrote: ) > At 03:13 PM 4/11/00 -0400, Eric Ogren wrote: ) >> ) >> Didn't want to bounce this to -questions, but looks like I have no ) >> choice... ) > ) > This is because you used a dialup account to send the email directly to ) > lemis.com instead of sending the email to your ISP's mail server. ) > ) >> Received: from rod.darktech.org (ip48.cambridge1.ma.pub-ip.psi.net ) > [38.32.111.48]) ) > ) > Had you sent the email to freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, the same thing ) > would have happened. ) ) Well, no, that's not the case this time round. Read the message: ) ) >>>> MAIL From: ) > <<< 550 Mail rejected. See http://www.lemis.com/dontspam.html ) > 554 ... Service unavailable ) ) This is rejected by the spam filter, as the URL suggests. I've just ) explained this to Eric on -doc: Earthlink is an obnoxious spammer. ) This doesn't mean that Eric is, but people are known by the company ) they keep. Sorry. I gotta say this. For the record, Earthlink is actually one of the most aggressive anti-spam organizations around. I did not know this until I wrote their support staff to complain about a spam related issue. Their response made a total of 15 printed pages, and the content of the response made it obvious that it wasn't a form-letter. Someone typed it all in directly in response to my letter. In the message, they directed me to their website and a link on what they are doing to combat spam. They have sued for and won multiple millions of dollars from people and organizations that have used their servers for spam activities. Their subscribers will be terminated automatically if they are found to be spamming out of an earthlink account, and they instructed me to email every spam letter I receive to their abuse department for further action. I would not have written this if it weren't for their response to my complaint. Earthlink is making tremendous efforts to combat this problem and is trying to be as visible and aggressive as possible about it. I hate to see such efforts go unrecognized, or to see their name trashed, even if the efforts have not been fully effective to date. You can look at http://www.earthlink.net/about/pr/cp_judgment.html for information about a $2 million judgment they won and about some of the things they are doing to combat spam. They also have a site on helping you to avoid spam at http://www.earthlink.net/internet/security/spam/ BTW, with the latest batch of email I downloaded today, I got 161 messages from this list and 24 spam letters. Of those 24, 19 were from AOL accounts, zero from Earthlink. For the record. -- Derrick Baumer - Black Duck Software To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message