From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 3 19:50:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CA816A407 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 19:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F69F43D45 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 19:50:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E5E435C57; Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:58:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 14:58:01 -0500 From: Wesley Shields To: "Ricardo A. Reis" Message-ID: <20061103195801.GA23725@atarininja.org> References: <20061103155459.97181.qmail@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20061103155459.97181.qmail@web56404.mail.re3.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Enc: FreeBSD and the new virtual machine-based rootkits X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 19:50:20 -0000 On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 07:54:59AM -0800, Ricardo A. Reis wrote: [...] > In the II COLARIS - Joanna Rutkowska alert the possible > new technology of Malware's using hardware virtualization, present > in AMD and INTEL new processor. > > I've two questions ... > > 1) How is possible detect if my system is moved inside a VM on the fly ? She has discussed various solutions for this problem, and why she believes they may or may not work. The one most people suggest is to time how long it takes for various instructions to run, but this can be tricked by the VMM-rootkit. I'd suggest reading: http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/2006/08/blue-pill-detection.html > 2) Exist a project for merge veriexec from NetBSD on FreeBSD > and add SPKI feature ? Not that I'm aware of but something which is somewhat similar has been posted to trustedbsd-discuss. I'd check out the following links: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/trustedbsd-discuss/2006-August/000865.html http://people.freebsd.org/~csjp/mac/ http://people.freebsd.org/~csjp/mac_chkexec.txt AFAIK this is still in perforce, but will hopefully make it's way into -CURRENT and eventually a release. I'm sure someone will speak up if I'm wrong here. -- WXS