Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:46:16 +0930 From: Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com> To: charlespeters@tecpro.com, charlespeters@chickenbean.com Cc: FreeBSD Questions <questions@FreeBSD.ORG> Subject: Re: Why so long til I see my message posted to the list? Message-ID: <19981008104616.B7181@freebie.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <001d01bdf201$b22992c0$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com>; from Charles A. Peters on Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 10:49:32AM -0400 References: <19981007112246.F27781@freebie.lemis.com> <001d01bdf201$b22992c0$c8730418@ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com>
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[Format autorecovered at freebie.lemis.com] On Wednesday, 7 October 1998 at 10:49:32 -0400, Charles A. Peters wrote: >> On Tuesday, 6 October 1998 at 15:37:07 -0400, Charles A. Peters wrote: >>> Whenever I post a message to the mailing list, it >>> usually takes about 1 hour to show up. >>> >>> Is this normal, or am I doing something wrong? >> >> This is normal. The message first goes to hub.freebsd.org, where it >> is queued with other messages waiting for delivery. Then it gets >> distributed to a number of secondary systems, designed to be >> topographically closer than hub, for redistribution. There it is >> queued with other messages waiting for delivery. Finally, it gets >> delivered, one destination at a time. Thus it's possible to get a >> reply before you see your own message. >> >> You can follow this by looking at the headers. They are "newest >> first". Here's what I get for your message. Your headers for the >> same message will look the same at the bottom, but will diverge after >> hub: >> >>> From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 7 05:56:13 1998 >>> Received: from sarip.sol.net (mail@sarip.sol.net [169.207.30.120]) >>> by allegro.lemis.com (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id FAA23831 >>> for <grog@lemis.com>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 05:56:09 +0930 (CST) >> >> This is the final hop: your message got here at 5:56 am our time, >> which is 8:26 pm yesterday UTC. >> >>> Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) >>> by sarip.sol.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/SNNS-1.02) with ESMTP id PAA21669; >>> Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:25:56 -0500 (CDT) >> >> sarip.sol.net is the relay host for my domain. The message got there >> at 3:25 pm CDT, 8:25 pm UTC. This was just one minute before it >> arrived at allegro. >> >>> Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) >>> by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA27354; >>> Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:40:54 -0700 (PDT) >>> (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions) >> >> Here hub is receiving the outgoing message to the mailing lists. The >> time is 12:40 pm PDT, 7:40 pm UTC. Thus it took it 45 minutes to send >> the message to sol. The probable reason for this would be a couple of >> timeouts on other systems which were tried first. >> >>> Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:36:49 -0700 >> >> 4 minutes earlier the bulk mailer at hub received the message. >> >>> Received: (from majordom@localhost) >>> by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA26611 >>> for freebsd-questions-outgoing; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:36:47 -0700 (PDT) >>> (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG) >> >> This is still the message going out from hub, 2 seconds earlier. >> >>> Received: from chickenbean.ais-gwd.com (chickenbean.com [205.160.97.50]) >>> by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26583 >>> for <questions@freebsd.org>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT) >>> (envelope-from charlespeters@tecpro.com) >> >> Here's your message coming in to hub at 12:36:37 PDT, 7:36 pm UTC, 10 >> seconds before it was scheduled for rebroadcast. >> >>> Received: from ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com (ci1000971-d.sptnbrg1.sc.home.com [24.4.115.200]) >>> by chickenbean.ais-gwd.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA07162 >>> for <questions@freebsd.org>; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:52:33 -0400 (EDT) >>> (envelope-from charlespeters@tecpro.com) >> >> Here's your message being received by your ISP (or whatever) at 15:52 >> EDT, 7:52 pm UTC. This suggests that the clock is wrong on this >> machine, since it arrived at hub (which is ntp synchronized) 16 >> minutes earlier. >> >> One problem with the current distribution method is that messages are >> sent one destination at a time, a non-responding mail server can cause >> significant delays. Jonathan Bresler, the FreeBSD postmaster, has >> just announced that he's changing to a different remailer which is >> better in this respect. Expect the change to be completed within a >> week (and if you're using procmail or some such to filter mail, expect >> to have to change it: the headers won't be quite the same). > > Thanks, You're welcome. > And by the way, I'll fix the time on chickenbean.com, it's my > server. What's the best way to syncronize the time on this box. It looks like the time is the least of your worries. The reply you sent me was mutilated beyond recognition; I'd strongly suggest a different mailer (Lookout! is famous for mutilating mail; see http://www.lemis.com/email.html). In addition, your MX host (gateway.ais-gwd.com) is bouncing mail for you, so I can't reply to you. I've already sent them a message, but they don't seem to have done anything. As a result, and because you should have done too, I'm copying -questions on this reply. I'm also trying chickenbean.com, which may bypass ais-gwd.com. I hope you get it. As regards time: are you connected to the net all the time? Then use xntpd. Otherwise use ntpdate. There are man pages for both. You'll need to find a relatively close ntp server--check out http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.html. Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone numbers finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message
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