From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Nov 27 05:48:41 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115C0DF9B78 for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:48:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from smtp-out-so.shaw.ca (smtp-out-so.shaw.ca [64.59.136.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5A0964DDE for ; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@komquats.com) Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([96.50.22.10]) by shaw.ca with SMTP id JCEzef82JGvLHJCF0eFQpO; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 22:46:04 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=a9pAzQaF c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:117 a=jvE2nwUzI0ECrNeyr98KWA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=sC3jslCIGhcA:10 a=EoSm3rd8AAAA:8 a=BWvPGDcYAAAA:8 a=avHbqoXWAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=ENDPxKgw60luplSHaWoA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=qR8_acSGOghv8NNYmwSa:22 a=pxhY87DP9d2VeQe4joPk:22 a=-FWGKkQxN3tVy8nzffOD:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D88320D; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id vAR5k0gn004581; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from slippy (cy@localhost) by slippy.cwsent.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id vAR5k0xB004578; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:46:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com) Message-Id: <201711270546.vAR5k0xB004578@slippy.cwsent.com> X-Authentication-Warning: slippy.cwsent.com: cy owned process doing -bs X-Mailer: exmh version 2.8.0 04/21/2012 with nmh-1.7 Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: bsd-lists@BSDforge.com cc: "Cy Schubert" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "RW" Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) In-Reply-To: Message from "Chris H" of "Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:34:52 -0800." <307f8e8d0ad15d2d00e74a9b602c8c19@udns.ultimatedns.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:46:00 -0800 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfFsKnyTXXERHULmEF4q3YlgLQMw5J3WpwnI/Jf1JCOe2NUi/iHwmbjrkOeKkuBQA1QZq3fN6Ecub0VpwU6BofVRiRaSxzTeE4uq0Iu/E/XcnufRvGUkk fI62bNywkdRw5xEBXB9SFh1LmlgNLK9RS2gs0rUJuzryyz/teoKZdyh7KXIZ1h6DGuC+s2y8Qv8NETRDxVEiWlM0b+crSGNHGOeIFtqUnqmYMmYdCBnNqIct AJIsI/ZmzuVuv4FNuLdbYQO2uQzA31XEpbRCwNEDy0Q= X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:48:41 -0000 In message <307f8e8d0ad15d2d00e74a9b602c8c19@udns.ultimatedns.net>, "Chris H" w rites: > On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:11:43 -0800 "Cy Schubert" s > aid > > > In message <20171126163259.6fb55366@gumby.homeunix.com>, RW via > > freebsd-hackers > > writes: > > > On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 07:59:52 -0800 > > > Cy Schubert wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lastly. I'm not totally against games. My 4 and 5 year old grandkids > > > > play games on game tablets. However I would never let my grandkids > > > > even see what fortune spits out. Much of it was offensive. I would > > > > have been ashamed had they seen some of the outputs. > > > > > > You have to try quite hard to find them, they aren't given by default, > > > and: > > > > > > $ fortune -o > > > No fortunes found > > > in /usr/share/games/fortune:/usr/local/share/games/fortune. > > > > Let's take an example, when I was ~ 35 years younger than now. > > > > A buddy of mine had a 3 year old son. His son would insert an MS DOS floppy > > > disk and power on his XT clone computer. Once booted his 3 year old son > > removed the floppy and inserted his favourite game, entered the command on > > the command line and started playing. Kids today are much more capable than > > > my friend's son was so many years ago. > > > > We already have a port that can support it. Someone could repocopy the port > > > to just install fortune. > > > > It's 2017. If Red Hat doesn't support fortune why should we? > OK this is the 2nd time you've said that, and I'm afraid I'm going to have to > respond. :) > FreeBSD is *not* Red Hat, nor any other "flavor" of Linux. Who cares if some > other flavor of OS does, or does not "do it". > Sorry. I *greatly* appreciate that FreeBSD is /different/ than all the Linux > flavors, and would dearly hate that it felt that it should feel/be "Linux lik > e". > Over sensitive? Perhaps. But I simply couldn't resist. > > I'm done now. :) Of course FreeBSD isn't a Linux distro however RH has probably learned that contentious issues like this aren't worth the risk and exposure and the cost of supporting such software. FreeBSD is a volunteer effort. Unnecessary software still exacts a cost even in an environment like ours. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www.FreeBSD.org The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few.