From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 6 12:08:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC03616A469 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-20-82.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.20.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A18213C455 for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 12:08:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id l66C86pF072925; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:08:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id l66C86e2072924; Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:08:06 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 22:08:06 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20070706120806.GL38748@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <200707051428.22766.jhb@freebsd.org> <200707052245.l65MjpmR055403@fire.js.berklix.net> <20070706022631.GQ1221@funkthat.com> <20070706025619.GA19556@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hxkXGo8AKqTJ+9QI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070706025619.GA19556@soaustin.net> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.15 (2007-04-06) Cc: jmg@freebsd.org, current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Code removal - Was Re: Future of the ie(4) driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:08:08 -0000 --hxkXGo8AKqTJ+9QI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-Jul-05 21:56:19 -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: >> I'm sure even if we push it to a News item and send it out to >> -announce there'll be someone who said, "Why didn't I get a personally >> couriered letter to my home, my place of business and my vacation >> home?" > >Although IMHO you are slightly overstating this, I will note that even >with a well-documented ports deprecation process (ports are tagged for >~2 months, notification emails are sent to ports@), there will always >be someone who doesn't get the message. You cannot optimize for complete >notification. Agreed but I think a more "formal" deprecation process would be nice for the core software. Possibly a 'deprecated' section in the release notes (some commercial Unices do this) and maybe a 'deprecated' tag for the relevant drivers in the hardware notes. Taking ie(4) as an example, there's nothing in the man page, the 6.2 release notes or the 6.2 hardware notes to suggest that this device won't be present in future releases. >Now I'll put on my bugmeister hat and say that I'd rather see see effort >devoted to clearing up PRs about hardware that is widespread, rather than >spending time on obsolete hardware. I thoroughly agree. Pity that the very noisy minority who are loudly complaining that 6.x won't run on their laptops but 4.x runs perfectly aren't able to assist in moving FreeBSD forwards. --=20 Peter Jeremy --hxkXGo8AKqTJ+9QI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGjjCm/opHv/APuIcRAvTfAJ46VCx7PtVcDOXRMiNu8Uh4ARq8/QCfbJDH 1E7TJMsjKoPDcvoS5VRBdZc= =gsaZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hxkXGo8AKqTJ+9QI--