From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 6 11:05:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ports@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA8B16A40D for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:05:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org (xbsd.org [82.233.2.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4672543D45 for ; Sat, 6 May 2006 11:05:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flz@xbsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7391170A; Sat, 6 May 2006 13:05:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp.xbsd.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (srv1.xbsd.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44891-10; Sat, 6 May 2006 13:05:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [193.120.13.131] (unknown [193.120.13.131]) by smtp.xbsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDFC311690; Sat, 6 May 2006 13:05:32 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <200605051458.06891.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> References: <200605041507.08581.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <200605051442.14572.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> <20060505184619.GA4366@xor.obsecurity.org> <200605051458.06891.mi+mx@aldan.algebra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v749.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6350C2D5-D0A4-462D-88E0-9C717F7BF992@xbsd.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Florent Thoumie Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 12:05:23 +0100 To: Mikhail Teterin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at xbsd.org Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Mark Linimon , Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: right to criticize other people's volunteer work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 11:05:51 -0000 On May 5, 2006, at 7:58 PM, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > =D0=BF'=D1=8F=D1=82=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=86=D1=8F 05 =D1=82=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B2=D0= =B5=D0=BD=D1=8C 2006 14:46, Kris Kennaway =20 > =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=81=D0=B0=D0=B2: >> And he's acknowledged the problem and is working on it at his own >> pace..so again, you have options a), b), c) or the perhaps-mythical >> d). > > According to the discussion, he is also working on the =20 > restructuring of the > ports for 7.0. > > Although this work may be benefitial for the quicker roll-out of =20 > 7.1, I > suggested -- in response to the direct solicitation of advice -- =20 > that some > effort be directed towards support issues instead. That was the d) ... > > Now. I'll reiterate once again, that I strongly dislike your =20 > reaction. I > believe, criticism is Ok even in an all-volunteer project. I think it's just the way you said it. > It would be legitimate for you to defend the x11 team, but to deny =20 > me any > right to criticize at all, as you did with your: "Remind me again what > obligation Eric has to fix your problem?" -- is WRONG. Still it's volunteer work, just don't forget that. As for fixing dri/drm problems instead of working on xorg 7.0, keep =20 in mind that creating ports for xorg 7.0 doesn't require much =20 knowledge where fixing actual bugs in dri/drm does. I'm trying to =20 help Eric and Dejan on the xorg 7.0 side, but I'm not able to fix any =20= bug in dri/drm. --=20 Florent Thoumie flz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD Committer