From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 30 00:15:03 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF29106564A for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com (bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com [208.86.224.193]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483828FC0A for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from stargate.alaskaparadise.com (172-67-237-24.gci.net [24.237.67.172]) by bsdevel.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8607228E2897; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:15:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul Organization: FreeBSD To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:15:01 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.1 (FreeBSD/8.0-CURRENT; KDE/4.1.1; i386; ; ) References: <20081128234155.0221e263@serene.no-ip.org> <3cb459ed0811291342i524eaab3g1acadcd9cbdb638b@mail.gmail.com> <7d6fde3d0811291556g3f08a814td68466ad02dee4fc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7d6fde3d0811291556g3f08a814td68466ad02dee4fc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200811291515.01962.beech@freebsd.org> Cc: Garrett Cooper , "Conrad J. Sabatier" , Alexander Churanov Subject: Re: i give up X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:15:03 -0000 On Saturday 29 November 2008 14:56:47 Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Alexander Churanov > > wrote: > > Folks! > > > > I have some ideas on that. The problem is it's sometimes hard to check > > that given hardware is supported by FreeBSD, even in case you know and > > want to do it. The list of supported hardware is often written in terms > > of chipsets and manufacturers often produce cards using supported chips, > > but named after their own trademark. > > > > For example, at my location one of frequently sold TV card brands is > > "beholder". It is not in the supported hw list. However, three years ago > > I've installed ethernet cards named "compex" to PCs and they worked well > > and were detected as "realtek". Given that, should one try "beholder" tv > > card in the first place? > > > > The solution is to ask someone, or, better, to pay someone for providing > > that knowledge. Computer shops rarely indicate that hardware is > > compatible with FreeBSD. Whom to ask/pay? All this leads to idea of > > creating some organization that will sell FreeBSD compatible PCs and > > hardware. I'm sure, business like that can not exist , because FreeBSD > > userbase is not largest. But non-profit organization, would, probably. > > > > Currently I have ordinary PC and several years ago it was running > > Windows, now FreeBSD. Fortunately, all hardware works. Now I am thinking > > of buying new PC and I would pay 10% extra for a brand PC with a sticker > > "FreeBSD inside" or "Designed for FreeBSD". A shop like that would also > > sell 100%-compatible photo cams, remote control units, etc. > > > > All of these is highly hypothetical, but probably is possible. 10% is a > > good donation. > > > > Alexander Churanov > > There's a hardware compatibility page, but it's probably out of date / > incorrect (I'm sure not all supported hardware is noted there -- > bsdstats might have more info): > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/index.html (look under `Hardware > Notes' for your given release). > > My mileage: > > - nVidia sucks for use on Unix platforms. Even under Linux I ran into > a bunch of issues when building my PC last year, and I've discovered > that if you're going to run Unix, stick to Intel chipsets. > - nVidia chipsets (from my PoV -- I can be swayed) offer almost zero > real advantage over Intel chipsets other than SLi. Then again I never > have and never plan on running 2+ nVidia cards at once. > > So unfortunately by purchasing nVidia hardware you're kind of > beckoning for problems, mostly because their datasheets and specs are > more closed than Intel. I just built a box and used an 8500 GT nVidia clone it's a medium range card and is fully supported by FreeBSD. Beech > > There are also vendors who sell certified working FreeBSD desktops and > laptops. Someone posted it on the list a few months back (questions@ > maybe) and that's all I can remember about that. > > -Garrett > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - beech@FreeBSD.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/7.0R/announce.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------