From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 15 10:12:53 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.lariat.org (lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7430314EB7 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:12:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.lariat.org [206.100.185.2]) by lariat.lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28496; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:10:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.32.19990415110155.045695d0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.32 (Beta) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:10:14 -0600 To: crh@outpost.co.nz, chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Jordan the Confused (Was: Jordan The Evil!) In-Reply-To: <199904142345.LAA05238@fep2-orange.clear.net.nz> References: <4.2.0.32.19990414114712.00cda740@localhost> <10906.924111753@zippy.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:32 AM 4/15/99 +1200, Craig Harding wrote: >kay Brett, name 3 specific examples where Jordan has "undermined and >sabotaged" FreeBSD advocacy efforts by anyone. OK: Look at the article referenced earlier in this thread. In that article, Jordan equivocates about FreeBSD's superiority to Linux (that's one) and asserts that Microsoft should be allowed to take over the desktop (that's two -- and a particularly damaging one as many people will have a visceral reaction to it). He has also, by his own admission, encouraged developers NOT to develop native versions of their applications for FreeBSD but rather to do them for Linux. Three strikes, I'm afraid. >I've said it before and I'll say it again: Linux isn't successful >because of a concerted PR effort by a small organised team. Linux >achieved its profile through the rabid, half-crazed mutterings of >several thousand university students around the world who, as the >young and inexperienced tend to do, firmly believed that the OS they >were running on their own machines was the single greatest, most >reliable, technically advanced operating system in the known >universe, irrespective of hard evidence to the contrary. There's a lot that's good about engendering that type of advocacy. UNIX itself owes its success largely to its introduction into academia early on. Jordan, however, deplores that type of advocacy and says he will, in fact, discourage it. --Brett "For every action there is an equal and opposite government program." --Bob Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message