From owner-freebsd-current Sat Oct 2 9:48:49 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FD9614C59 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30398; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <199910021645.JAA30398@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: new sigset_t and upgrading: a proposal In-Reply-To: <19991002153035.CA7CB1C03@overcee.netplex.com.au> from Peter Wemm at "Oct 2, 1999 11:30:35 pm" To: peter@netplex.com.au (Peter Wemm) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 09:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [CC: trimmed to -current] > > > > But this still doesn't entirely solve the problem. You still have > > > > to build and install a new kernel before installing the world. > > > > While this is typically what most -current folks do anyways, it > > > > still prevents backing up to a previous kernel after the install > > > > world. ... > > > If you install a kernel before installing world, you can easily recover > > > when the install world fails: reboot. The new kernel is capable of > > > running those binaries that got installed before the breakage. > > Read my lips: *NEVER* do a 'make world' until you've got a new bootable > kernel. You can go back to a 'kernel.old' in 5 seconds. Undoing a 'make > world' because a new kernel doesn't workd is a major drama. These folks are 100% correct, some place some where we made a mistake and are telling users to do things in the wrong order. It might have even been myself that caused this, I just can't recall when and who said to build the world before building the kernel. But now looking at it in hindsight, this is plainly the wrong sequence, and we should correct that error as soon as possible. When did we go wrong and start saying that users should build the world before building a new kernel? If it was ``I'' that said it, I full retract any such statement, I was WRONG!. It may have been said in the patchkit days, or very early FreeBSD 1.x. -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message