From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 10 14:13:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D06416A419 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:13:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD77813C45B for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m0AEDc6N058895; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m0AEDZsb058894; Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:35 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200801101413.m0AEDZsb058894@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, aryeh.friedman@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <47861CCD.7010707@gmail.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-current User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:13:39 +0100 (CET) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:49:12 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD's problems as seen by the BSDForen.de community X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:13:41 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > No, not necessarily. In particular, the BSD license does not > > enforce availability of the source to everyone, and it does not > > enforce anything else, except that the license may not be removed. > > > > That's not accidental, it's not a flaw, it doesn't need repair. > > It's intended. And trying to discuss to "repair" that is > > completely futile. > > Just a side question... if it is so complete why was there a need to > modify the orginal UCB version?... specifically there is no reason not > to discuss improvements. The modification that happened was to remove restrictions. What you propose is to add restrictions, which means that it would be less free. That's a step backwards and will not happen. > If the root cause of the OP's issues is lack of interest in older code The OP's posting rather sounds like regression testing and QA needs to be improved. > > > b) Contrary to it's charter -chat@ really is nothing except for a > > > flame redirect location (thus as far I can tell almost no one > > > reads seriously it) > > > > That's wrong. The chat list is being used for things that are > > off-topic on the other lists. Sometimes there are "flames" indeed, > > but that's a minority. > > I subscribe to it and have yet to see anything more then a 50/50 split > between real chat (and that is really not approriate for this > discussions a list for the legal/business aspects of freebsd would be) > and flames I don't think you're really reading it. I currently habe 336 threads in my freebsd-chat folder (dating back to Jan 1st 2006; older ones are archived elsewhere on my machine). In the past three months there was exactly one thread that was a flamewar. Your 50/50 number is completely wrong. In fact there have been more flamewares on -current than on -chat. :-) Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Python is executable pseudocode. Perl is executable line noise.