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Date:      Wed, 31 May 2000 18:09:19 -0400 (EDT)
From:      Omachonu Ogali <oogali@intranova.net>
To:        Roelof Osinga <roelof@nisser.com>
Cc:        The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: tracerouting switches, routers and hosts ...
Message-ID:  <Pine.BSF.4.10.10005311803290.589-100000@hydrant.intranova.net>
In-Reply-To: <39358740.AF0FEB9B@nisser.com>

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Not necessarily ICMP requests, but these devices aren't decrementing the
TTL on the IP datagram, hence they will not show up.  Unless they are
doing filtering, or making decisions based on the source and/or
destinations of the datagram, they should not need to decrement the TTL.

Unless you can physically do a wire trace from the machine to router to
switch (what a tedious task), I think I would be safe in stating this is
impossible if this devices do not decrement the TTL.

TTL: Time-To-Live. Simply, this is the maximum number of hops the datagram
can be forwarded through. Traceroute works by sending out an inital packet
with a TTL of 1, and the first hop (if it's not the destination) replies
back with an ICMP TTL-exceeded message, and traceroute(8) prints out the
host from which it received the ICMP message for the previously sent
datagram.

In conclusion, unless the devices decrement the TTL and respond to
exceeded TTL counters with ICMP TTL-exceeded messages, they are invisible
under a traceroute.

On Wed, 31 May 2000, Roelof Osinga wrote:

> The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > myhost->switcha->porta-router->portb-router->switchb->remote host
> > 
> >         I only see the IPs for porta-router and remote host, but it misses
> > everything in between ...
> 
> They're probably ignoring ICMP requests. Operating in stealth mode
> so to speak.
> 
> Roelof
> 
> 

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