From owner-freebsd-current Thu Jan 6 16:16: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC7A15708 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05750; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:15:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: scanner@jurai.net Cc: "David O'Brien" , Darren Reed , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:26:16 EST." Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:15:08 -0800 Message-ID: <5748.947204108@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Moved to just -current; this doesn't need to keep getting cross-posted] > It's not like were moving from v4 to v6. Were just asking that it > be included in the OS. It should be available to researchers using > 4.0-RELEASE. That's all im saying. There is no reason to ask for resources > or anything else to make it happen. It's simply, include it even though > it's buggy or dont. Well, all I can say is that this represents one of the most bizarre and frankly unrealistic perspectives I've seen for a long, long time (well, maybe not that long - Karl's message was pretty recent, wasn't it?). How do you think things "get included" in the OS? Do you think one just moves the KAME bits into a directory next to /usr/src, goes away for 24 hours to let them bits do their thing, and then comes back to find that nature has done the rest of the work? Sorry, it might work that way for hamsters but it doesn't work that way for code! Somebody has to DO the integration and then be willing to stand behind it while 10,000 people start screaming how broken it is and how it needs to be fixed in the following 4,891 ways. That requires resources, resources which even the KAME folk (who certainly know this code better than anyone else) have been hard-pressed to provide or the IPv6/IPSec support would already BE in FreeBSD today! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message