From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 20 14:06:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C5716A48F for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:06:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: from smtprelay04.ispgateway.de (smtprelay04.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7F243E1C for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:04:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de) Received: (qmail 8172 invoked from network); 20 Jul 2005 14:03:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([pbs]775067@[83.129.2.78]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay04.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 20 Jul 2005 14:03:59 -0000 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 16:04:23 +0200 From: Fabian Keil To: "Ted Mittelstaedt" Message-ID: <20050720160423.72d9c618@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: <20050719172603.42b2c2a7@localhost> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Signature_Wed__20_Jul_2005_16_04_23_+0200_cwiVIsEXcAky/zS3"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Demon license? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:06:04 -0000 --Signature_Wed__20_Jul_2005_16_04_23_+0200_cwiVIsEXcAky/zS3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Fabian Keil > >Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:26 AM > >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >Subject: Re: Demon license? > > > > > >"Ted Mittelstaedt" wrote: > > > >> Greg Lehey said: > >> > >> "I'm sure we would object if someone drew a 'devil' image and > >> associated it with FreeBSD." > >> > >> Re-read this please. "DEVIL" image? What is that? Devil in > >> this context is a religious term. So what Greg is really saying > >> here is that "we" would object if someone drew a religious image > >> and associated it with FreeBSD" > > > >You are quoting out of context. > > > >Greg wasn't referring to Beastie as devil, the person before him was. >=20 > That would be me, and no I was not as I've explained twice now. >=20 > >Greg was intentional "misunderstanding" that Beastie was meant with > >devil. At least that's how I understood it. > > >=20 > Greg doesen't generally post to that level of complexity. What he is > objecting to is pretty straightforward - Beastie isn't a devil. Well > the word "devil" is a religious term, so what Greg means is that > "Beastie isn't a religious icon and anyone's use of the word 'devil' > in conjunction with Beastie carries the incorrect connotation that > Beastie is a religious icon" >=20 > If your disagreeing with that, then are you supporting the idea that > Beastie looks like a devil AKA icon objectionable on religious grounds? I think it's a reasonable idea, that a person not knowing BSD might come to the conclusion, that Beastie is a small nice looking devil. I guess I did it myself, but I don't remember. Beastie looks cute, that's good enough for me. I couldn't care less, if he's just looking like a devil or if he's supposed to be one. > Because that is the converse of what Greg is saying. >=20 > Greg took my meaning as Beastie=3Ddevil, not "devil-looking-image could = be > drawn and associated with FreeBSD by anyone" >=20 > I realize that the idea I was attempting to convey was more complex and > deeper than a 2 second sound bite. Please carefully reread the thread > and > I think you will understand it better. When I used the word "devil" in > the sentence I was meaning a graphical drawing of a red being with horns > and a tail, and that should have been apparent. I was not meaning the > Catholic religious interpretation of the word "devil" meaning Satan. I got that. > It is a sad commentary on the power of the religious conservative > movement that you can't even use the word "devil" to mean anything > other than "Satan" in a sentence anymore. >=20 > Greg objects to the term "devil" in association with Beastie because > he knows that too many stupid people cannot make this distinction > anymore, and it's safer to simply not use the word "devil" anywhere > near FreeBSD or Beastie so as to avoid these stupid people from > claiming FreeBSD is a satanic operating system. And this as well. =20 > I disagree with this because I will always choose to fight against > ignorance rather than just accept it and make up some politically > correct mealymouthed excuse. Sure, some stupid people cannot be > educated into understanding that the Beastie image isn't an image > of a devil, because they believe that the only possible interpretation > of the word "devil" is Satan. I would rather work to educate them, > like I'm working to educate you, that not all uses of "devil" are > religious. If you or they cannot accept this, then go to Hell. ;-) I have no problem accepting it, however I think I can differentiate between devil (the evil fallen angel) and devil (the outfit), even if I didn't make this clear in the other mail. What's more important, I wouldn't care I the core team decided to use the first meaning. I'm not a big fan of political correctness myself. Fabian --=20 http://www.fabiankeil.de/ --Signature_Wed__20_Jul_2005_16_04_23_+0200_cwiVIsEXcAky/zS3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFC3lnooomUOj0wp30RAqv1AKCabnc5Q/490eQM3ACN/NROYnDYBACgm/Pw EeMZiJyckQSN40yiL1r/STU= =9baR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature_Wed__20_Jul_2005_16_04_23_+0200_cwiVIsEXcAky/zS3--