Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:01:37 -0700 From: Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> To: Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List <freebsd-stable@freebsd.org>, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> Subject: Re: File system issues Message-ID: <CAJ-VmokQu_-jpG9=Bbhy-VLQTR1HLxMfUBhX0-qgXeoW=TXjMQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20141026170011.M74058@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <544BC863.2040607@bsdforen.de> <20141025183600.GG66862@home.opsec.eu> <50056B15-83F4-4524-995E-6486959C027C@orthanc.ca> <20141026170011.M74058@sola.nimnet.asn.au>
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I think the main reason this happened is that there wasn't a nice consensus on what made sense for the disk layout. The existing rules weren't going to cut it for TB+ sized disks. What good is having a small root, a small swap and an /enormous/ /usr that took up the whole disk anyway? If someone wants to come up with patches to the installer to let us do this in a more sane way with the larger number of gpt partitions we get - then please by all means submit patches. Same goes for the newfs flag. Same goes for toggling on/off soft-updates and/or journaling. -adrian On 25 October 2014 23:36, Ian Smith <smithi@nimnet.asn.au> wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:11:16 -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Kurt Jaeger <lists@opsec.eu> wrote: > > > > > I always disable journaling, because I had many failures with that > > > in the past: > > > > > > tunefs -j disable <partition> > > > > I turn it off because you cannot snapshot a journaled filesystem, > > which breaks live dumps. > > > > It would be helpful if there was a way in the installer to toggle the > > default setting for 'journaled' before carving out the filesystems. > > It's moderately annoying to have to go through the option settings > > for all the filesystems to turn this off. > > And if you do go back into the options settings for a filesystem, the > options you have changed, like turning off journaling, have been (or at > least, appear to have been) reset to defaults, so you can't just check > what you've already set, but have to start again. > > What I _really_ miss from sysinstall(8) is the ability to toggle the > newfs flag. What you need to do now if you wish to preserve an existing > filesystem - quite commonly /home - is very deliberately NOT select that > filesystem from those detected, finish the install then manually, later, > readd that fs to /etc/fstab AND remove the created symlink from /home to > /usr/home, recreate /home as a directory, AFTER moving created dotfiles > if you forgot to NOT create a non-root user during install. Relatively > new users wouldn't have the slightest clue about needing to do that. > > But then, the general expectation that new users will want a linux-style > single / directory - sure, fine for VM use - cruels the potential to use > dump and restore anyway. It's a bit sad that this is still outstanding. > > cheers anyway, Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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