From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 26 18:01:40 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A413D4E for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com (mail-wi0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11AE7347 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id h11so2640531wiw.8 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:01:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=6Av6zb+7QnIgpIOBDWdbRmcPKVS1hofcTQUwtX+oivw=; b=v3L2PqphbXwk/XZbPtRPMH26uVrPYY+qtw2n/i14tzYtCXCQVSEJ0VPsxYJqb9VTfj V54VrD21oXbgUDGGSYwd/Lus39fmPcS9wp19rifl4G7u38chfcHm3VM1EGHpRSB3dOCe Dc1h6zlZ0Ki303H+9ccCH32TuVuGXqfM9Qn9bfJYRUTViM9O68AWHjwzMd9HJ2ut7x7A +BFJRl6vGx8F0SnEZhRZkMjHe/rxCUjOdgvyvrAR8SwYLXxBj6dZonBBUFfiHmNChu3R Ji4RsVOnyGmfHXDgWljjL31bCjFhl2RSpdYvpzu0iYH2keHfn5SrnZixE/R+plI6X6aB MS6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.94.132 with SMTP id dc4mr18375464wjb.56.1414346498090; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.216.106.136 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:01:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20141026170011.M74058@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <544BC863.2040607@bsdforen.de> <20141025183600.GG66862@home.opsec.eu> <50056B15-83F4-4524-995E-6486959C027C@orthanc.ca> <20141026170011.M74058@sola.nimnet.asn.au> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:01:37 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NJemMUSN2u7wEe7i50YRVF_JgQs Message-ID: Subject: Re: File system issues From: Adrian Chadd To: Ian Smith Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List , Lyndon Nerenberg X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 18:01:40 -0000 I think the main reason this happened is that there wasn't a nice consensus on what made sense for the disk layout. The existing rules weren't going to cut it for TB+ sized disks. What good is having a small root, a small swap and an /enormous/ /usr that took up the whole disk anyway? If someone wants to come up with patches to the installer to let us do this in a more sane way with the larger number of gpt partitions we get - then please by all means submit patches. Same goes for the newfs flag. Same goes for toggling on/off soft-updates and/or journaling. -adrian On 25 October 2014 23:36, Ian Smith wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:11:16 -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2014, at 11:36 AM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > > > > I always disable journaling, because I had many failures with that > > > in the past: > > > > > > tunefs -j disable > > > > I turn it off because you cannot snapshot a journaled filesystem, > > which breaks live dumps. > > > > It would be helpful if there was a way in the installer to toggle the > > default setting for 'journaled' before carving out the filesystems. > > It's moderately annoying to have to go through the option settings > > for all the filesystems to turn this off. > > And if you do go back into the options settings for a filesystem, the > options you have changed, like turning off journaling, have been (or at > least, appear to have been) reset to defaults, so you can't just check > what you've already set, but have to start again. > > What I _really_ miss from sysinstall(8) is the ability to toggle the > newfs flag. What you need to do now if you wish to preserve an existing > filesystem - quite commonly /home - is very deliberately NOT select that > filesystem from those detected, finish the install then manually, later, > readd that fs to /etc/fstab AND remove the created symlink from /home to > /usr/home, recreate /home as a directory, AFTER moving created dotfiles > if you forgot to NOT create a non-root user during install. Relatively > new users wouldn't have the slightest clue about needing to do that. > > But then, the general expectation that new users will want a linux-style > single / directory - sure, fine for VM use - cruels the potential to use > dump and restore anyway. It's a bit sad that this is still outstanding. > > cheers anyway, Ian > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"