From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Aug 25 01:26:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7115716A4DD for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F082743D45 for ; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scrappy@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (wm.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36CD290C2B; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:51 -0300 (ADT) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.128]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81383-01; Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by hub.org (Postfix, from userid 1046) id D553A291AFB; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0339290C2B; Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:50 -0300 (ADT) Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:26:46 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" X-X-Sender: freebsd@hub.org To: Giorgos Keramidas In-Reply-To: <20060824181710.GA36711@gothmog.pc> Message-ID: <20060824222102.M82634@hub.org> References: <20060820180109.23C422395F@outbound.sentinare.net> <20060820154624.51391ddf@localhost> <20060824181710.GA36711@gothmog.pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: "Charles A. Landemaine" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ask for FreeBSD support here! Let's join forces! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:26:58 -0000 On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2006-08-20 15:46, Mark Kane wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 20, 2006, at 16:25:21 -0300, Charles A. Landemaine wrote: >>> On 8/20/06, Don Witt wrote: >>>> The next release of Adobe flash developer will have a revised >>>> license which will include FreeBSD. This was per the product >>>> manager. >>> >>> License is not the most important. What is important for the end user >>> is having a native version of his own operating system :) > > Agreed. > >> I read this last month: >> >> http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/07/api_review.html >> >> The using ALSA for sound in version 9 doesn't sound very good for >> getting it to work on FreeBSD even if/when the license allows it. I >> don't understand why it's so hard for them to make it compatible with >> more OSes. They are in the business of selling software to create >> content in their proprietary Flash format, but if that can't be viewed >> on every common OS, then I think/know developers will not develop >> exclusively in Flash as much. > > I'm probably stating the blatantly obvious, but the trick is how we can > convince them that FreeBSD is a "common OS", I guess :) That is why I wrote up and setup bsdstats.org ... see /usr/ports/sysutils/bsdstats ... get included ... the idea is to get continuous, monthly numbers on deployments of FreeBSD, what versions are in use, what architectures ... and, if you so desire to add it, what hardware is in use also ... It started as an attempt to get numbers for hardware vendors to show that porting drivers to us is 'a good market', but it definitely applies to anything else ... showing realistic numbers to show that we are a "common OS" and not a hobbiest OS ... This is *not* a short term project though ... there are 5-10 new hosts being added daily, but "it had to start somewhere" ... Please note that alot of work was done with ppl on -questions to reduce the security implications of this script, to the point that we don't store anything in the database that could be traced back to a specific machine (ie. no IP, no hostname) ... *and* we taken steps to try and mitigate 'fakers' ... no way to eliminate them completely, but our hope is that as the numbers get higher, the %age of 'fakers' will drop to a neglible amount ... See http://www.bsdstats.org for current results ...