From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Sep 4 14:28:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-94-248-46.mmcable.com [24.94.248.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9147337B417 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2001 14:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 34546 invoked by uid 100); 4 Sep 2001 21:28:15 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15253.18287.832774.707524@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 16:28:15 -0500 To: "Kory Hamzeh" Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Contributing to FreeBSD (was: userland firewall ?) In-Reply-To: <006801c13587$4b8eee80$14ce21c7@avatar.com> References: <15253.16839.929067.980049@guru.mired.org> <006801c13587$4b8eee80$14ce21c7@avatar.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kory Hamzeh types: > > There are many pages of gotchas, ands and buts, starting with "which > > Linux distro are you talking about" and ending with "will it install > > with a serial console." I'll be glad to provide details offline, or > > you can ask on -advocacy where I'm sure someone will answer. > Most of my linux experience has been with redhat. I know they put a lot of > effort in making the install portion as painless as possible. As a matter of > fact, the first time I installed linux was because I needed support for > laptops and PCMCIA cards and FBSD wasn't quite there yet. The install was > quite painless and easy. I don't remember which one gave me fits; it was either Red Hat or Mandrake. Things like not being able to exit the install without configuring an X server, having to edit no fewer than three files to turn off the *^*(& color ls, and so on. It really reminded me of Windows - easy to install, so long as what you want is what they want to give you. You want something else, you're out of luck. > > However, the problem is being addressed, in two different ways. First, > > the idiosyncrasies of libdialog that make doing a FreeBSD install so > > twitchy are being addressed, and that should show up in 4.4. Second, > > the entire install process and package facility is being reworked, but > > I don't believe that's planned for 5.0 - but it would be great if it > > made it. > I don't have any problems with the install procedure. I occasionally get a > little confused with sysinstall in terms "how do I active or do the options > I just selected". For example, sometime pressing escape in sysinstall, you > go up one level, other times it does something else. That's what I meant by the "twitchy" install. That should be better with 4.4 than it was with prior versions. > However, this client would have never attempted to migrate to a unix system > by himself. I've had client install NT, then change their mind and go to FreeBSD. They wanted NT to cut me out of the loop - but paying a consultant to fix the system was cheaper than dealing with NT. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message