From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 05:06:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA74737B401 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 05:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6562843F75 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 05:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h6HC66S9061710; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:06:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.org) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h6HC5cno061708; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:05:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:05:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200307171205.h6HC5cno061708@tower.berklix.org> To: current@freebsd.org Fcc: sent-mail From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/vsl/ In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:41:33 PDT." <200307161941.h6GJfXbA093990@apollo.backplane.com> cc: Matthew Dillon Subject: Re: Annoucning DragonFly BSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 12:06:21 -0000 Periodicaly someone masquerades as Matt Dilllon. Those targeted by trolls need to work extra hard to establish credibility of poster's address, to avoid suspicion of "troll at work" (phone number maybe?). Trolls of course need to work extra hard too, to also convince us. Maybe this time the poster is the real Matthew Dillon, but I doubt it. Matthew Dillon appeared to write: > Announcing DragonFly BSD! > http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ Doing a new kernel approach seems a plausible tech target, the merits I'd leave to others. > and to completely rewrite the packaging and distribution system. Seems unliklely/over ambitious/ divisive to me, suspicion of Troll. - A new kernel - OK - maybe it'll cross fertilise others, but couldn't it run with an exisiting /usr/src ? Free Net or Open. - A new ports / package system - OK if the need is felt: even though FreeBSD ports/ was so popular it got adoped & looked at by other projects, that didn't stop it changing recently (file reduction) But couldn't it run with exisiting BSDs, presumably FreeBSD ? The ports project is really a Sisyphus [sp? was Greek anyway, not our Latin alphabet ] effort, a dubious idea to divide the number of shoulders that load sits on. There's already another cross platform ports project anyway (Freshports?) - A new distribution mechanism (whatever) ? maybe - but again if better, that technology should be adopted & merged into other BSDs. http://www.dragonflybsd.org/ may be a just a troll erection, it's constructed so there's nothing real to see. A troll site ? No where to click & sample code inside browser, you'd have to cvsup & extract localy to check real code. No interest until others confirm real. If friends who localy know / work with / meet Matthew Dillon, announce on this list that it's really him, & that's what he's really doing & is to be taken seriously, then it'll perhaps be worth looking at, but then again, maybe the real Matt will return to his desk, & announce another troll attempt. The logo is useless (& a troll give away ?): - Business: Yesterday I delivered an HP Network Scanjet 5, with NT removed & FreeBSD installed ( http://berklix.com/scanjet ) I stuck a FreeBSD `tattoo' (from WC?) on the chassis just after the `5' of the product name (they stick fine on plastic, though text implies for human skin (not tried that)). IMO the Linux & BSD logos are both rather childish, but clearly used for business as well as personal. but I wouldn't stick the dragonflybsd slavering head on a rubbish bin. - Last night at the Munich BSD monthly gathering ( http://berklix.org/bim/ ) this month's convenor had brought a Chuck daemon which stood verticaly as recognition symbol, after shovin feet in a big (clean) ash tray. A Penguin can also be made to stand, (low centre of gravity help) But what would one do with a slavering head ? ... Other than Bin it ! First 2 sentences of main page seem a possible Linux troll give away: DragonFly is an operating system and environment designed to be the logical continuation of the FreeBSD-4.x OS series. These operating systems belong in the same class as Linux in that they are based on UNIX ideals and APIs. "We" There's a lot of mention of "We" on those few pages, & no list of who the list of "We" includes as founders. A fake site maybe ? There's too many BSD's already. More complete BSDs aren't of personal or business benefit. More kernels, tools, & experiments in ports/packaging etc could be useful though, but to be of most benefit such work should be fully integratable, & not further split the available BSD workforce. My guess is the original post was a fake masquerade, (what some call a troll), the web site is probably the same. (Apologies to Matt if I'm wrong, but the real Matt hopefuly appreciates us being cautious :-) My Tel. +49.89.260233276 Timezone=GMT+01:00 (EG ID check :-) - Julian Stacey Freelance Systems Engineer, Unix & Net Consultant, Munich. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren.