From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Jan 3 19:03:11 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB0AC9DC8C for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf0-x234.google.com (mail-lf0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81DB71FBC for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:03:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gurenchan@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf0-x234.google.com with SMTP id y21so290919865lfa.1 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 11:03:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SHwLFyBk2cFkknuaj/ZLdJUmELGJNCqMLrPVVPxI6jk=; b=CodDpLbcizVqCToqX/aaof2ooQCFg5Z1SLOwSmiFkXAKYWM2SzUJf5gBeQDlkwO5D+ oEpKfENlg4NmcRFqEUaOcYllbLhEmvxAZBvEOHcizTIZR+CfiLpPJ0/HsUvcKH9M1yvm HgujSe+BrwiiEODzUQEvrfVqe7zj/52dg7h6fqQrDLpqWqqdvIvO4jbOs1t03F5KB6ol ZMpds8etRr78Gmltz2a1BdbbMrkEJZ1XyGB04mIBntJYVXRnsedCSNB/xJgWc/FPfTM/ rpYRdYVw1z2DK3Oms07WDUB1dihBrEeJgr+kbRHWmmlm0wHe2uz86aemRsLePec1a97Y 3HQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SHwLFyBk2cFkknuaj/ZLdJUmELGJNCqMLrPVVPxI6jk=; b=fYHxaoUyhZbph1mPmUC19u1MJDeK5Ja9mJamwuuux8XrDAviYjTiOPRdg/eAe8vsZ9 vDEiSVVJRwowEk+FwhbGUMl7CwdtfIcq0CFtfxBVf7/i9yy69qdjE1WxNYXu6P1Jo00u VTUYkdrL0CyTjl9ZowsWdTq/IF+GWitP2yDAmjHztTGX4dfaThSChdBasdn1QqoyVUFG s4pzecQkht5LAu7w3bqs76hGyCzHQK2Hc7VvvzeuB+drg3CktuaY33InbUhBYIWuePEO tNqNbtkktgxGUFseDT7kNlXNl5N78DaVBj3D73PlSlMzlirIX+Ya3XjVPLsatp5gbBgI TUkA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXIq3Z9dffLiHe8RgI/k7IkYhtLH3HnLeDvNRwOKkrry8oijRcjqxiZ9phqFZme3Bq/2RF3Eb5BgF2C1Gw== X-Received: by 10.25.215.199 with SMTP id q68mr17306557lfi.47.1483470188216; Tue, 03 Jan 2017 11:03:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20161230163653.54909631@rsbsd.rsb> <15952279f17.e0be0d8c34357.732964216134709731@nextbsd.org> <20161231120453.13adf858@thor.walstatt.dynvpn.de> <20161231145143.18e6ac99@rsbsd.rsb> <20161231131150.GA3514@lonesome.com> <20161231160319.1a77a8fd@azsupport.com> <822e64b6a6efa38ad5331e2be3f175f9@vvelox.net> <20170103183149.GA86111@slackbox.erewhon.home> In-Reply-To: <20170103183149.GA86111@slackbox.erewhon.home> From: blubee blubeeme Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 19:02:57 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: End of year Xorg status rant To: Roland Smith , "Zane C. B-H." Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 19:03:11 -0000 I've never liked lines of code as a measure of how good software is. I like challenges. Best, Owen On Wed, Jan 4, 2017, 02:33 Roland Smith wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 12:14:54AM -0600, Zane C. B-H. wrote: > > On 2016-12-31 09:03, Andrei wrote: > > > On Sat, 31 Dec 2016 07:11:51 -0600 > > > Mark Linimon wrote: > > > > > >> On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 02:51:55PM +0300, Beeblebrox via freebsd-x11 > > >> wrote: > > >> > I'm sure the Foundation and developers have been debating whether to > > >> > drop desktop all together > > >> > > >> I have never heard of any such discussion. > > Would the Foundation be willing to sponsor a developer to work on X? I'd be > willing to donate toward that. > > > Honestly this entire thread has been full of WTF. > > Second that. > > > I've been using FreeBSD for desktop purposes since like late 2001/early > > 2002. The only issue I've ever had is X -configure does a shit job of > > picking defaults at times, but that is not a FreeBSD issue. > > I've been using FreeBSD amd64 on desktops and laptops since 2004 (5.3). > > Mostly on Radeon GPU's. > > On the whole, I'd say X works fine. > > > Yes, X tends to lag a bit behind Linux, > > Given limited manpower, that is pretty much a given. Especially since Linux > graphics seem (IMO) to be in a permanent state of flux. > > > but all in all X is a much > > better experience on FreeBSD than Linux. One of the big thing that > > really stands out between the two is screen tearing is rare on FreeBSD > > compared to Linux. > > I cannot recall ever seeing screen tearing on FreeBSD. > > > X works well enough under FreeBSD that I honestly use it for gaming via > > wine. > > > > Personally I am proud and happy with what our X team has done with it, > > Ditto. > > > especially with Intel chipset support since like 10, making using it on > > a broader number of laptops all that more awesome. In 11 it is > > completely goat fragging wiz with the new KMS stuff. <3 > > The new KMS works fine with my Radeons. > > Roland > -- > R.F.Smith http://rsmith.home.xs4all.nl/ > [plain text _non-HTML_ PGP/GnuPG encrypted/signed email much appreciated] > pgp: 5753 3324 1661 B0FE 8D93 FCED 40F6 D5DC A38A 33E0 (keyID: A38A33E0) >