From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Apr 15 22:43:48 1999 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ontario.mooseriver.com (ontario.mooseriver.com [208.138.31.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDC714D00 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:43:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@ontario.mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by ontario.mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id WAA47163; Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:41:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:41:02 -0700 From: Josef Grosch To: Brett Glass Cc: chris@calldei.com, "Daniel O'Connor" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, crh@outpost.co.nz Subject: Re: Jordan the Confused (Was: Jordan The Evil!) Message-ID: <19990415224102.A47059@ontario.mooseriver.com> Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com References: <4.2.0.32.19990415195943.045f9100@localhost> <4.2.0.32.19990415110155.045695d0@localhost> <4.2.0.32.19990415195943.045f9100@localhost> <19990415221527.I3986@holly.dyndns.org> <4.2.0.32.19990415215446.0095d610@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.32.19990415215446.0095d610@localhost>; from Brett Glass on Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 09:56:44PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 09:56:44PM -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 10:15 PM 4/15/99 -0500, Chris Costello wrote: > > > The reason for the lack of these tools was explained in the > >sentence you quoted. "quote patently, FreeBSD's approach is *not* > >desktop oriented," -- this seems to explain it well. > > No, Jordan's approach is not desktop-oriented. Which is a BIG mistake, > and a decision he should not be allowed to make. > > Unless an OS can at least be adapted to be desktop-friendly, it will > never fully enter the mainstream. No one is stoping you from writing the tools needed to make FreeBSD a "desktop-oriented" system. Just as no one is stoping you from writing a FreeBSD emulator for Linux which, if I remember right, was you last obsession. If you feel that there are things missing from FreeBSD you need to go and build them. Brett, the reason people don't want to listen to you is not some deep, dark cabal that is out to silence you. It's very simple; no one likes someone who yells and scream about what they are should be doing but the person who is doing the complaining is not lifting a finger to help. Not to put too fine a point on it, no one likes a back seat driver. As many of us here on this list have told you _MANY_ times before, it's time to put up or shut up. Your a great one for talking but not much for doing anything. Tell you what, I plan on following Phish around the country this summer so why don't you post the schedule of your user group and Install-A-Thons you have started and I'll see if I can fit a visit into my schedule this summer. Time to put up or shut up Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 3.1 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | UNIX for the masses To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message