From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 27 14:24:46 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AFA5106564A for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joao@matik.com.br) Received: from msrv.matik.com.br (msrv.matik.com.br [187.95.0.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849458FC0A for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pop1.hm.net.br (pop1.hm.net.br [189.7.37.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by msrv.matik.com.br (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6REOYMQ080802 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:24:35 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from joao@matik.com.br) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97.5 at msrv.matik.com.br X-DKIM: OpenDKIM Filter v2.5.2 msrv.matik.com.br q6REOYMQ080802 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=matik.com.br; s=racoon; t=1343399077; bh=pkluTOVheQmngl+3FMhBRF3k8UzW72wJ4cVNkLrcr84=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=BjysQKRcEPhGGflyuuhiH45sn0NOqALcbFSibbxOyu4U5myURxQa/of0phxUoHNiz XOktTKbRov6waTC//y9wKu/vUibPM75NCCkFhYOBf03t2uCXd4l/uznmMBe+K37aGS 7JPMVs9kQ3ctIXBz7PXpVjXn1rTevYM+T3I+Zp0w= Authentication-Results: msrv.matik.com.br; sender-id=pass header.from=joao@matik.com.br; auth=pass (PLAIN); spf=pass smtp.mfrom=joao@matik.com.br Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 11:24:28 -0300 From: joaoBR To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20120727112428.742eaa62@pop1.hm.net.br> In-Reply-To: References: <20120725030004.52b1e8c2@pop1.hm.net.br> <20120725112622.24184266@pop1.hm.net.br> <5010064A.7030406@bally-wulff.de> <20120725165439.01c894e9@pop1.hm.net.br> <5010500D.4030109@ksu.ru> <20120725170817.5d6d1edb@pop1.hm.net.br> <20120726023449.0bb85746@pop1.hm.net.br> <20120727030914.4bd55d30@pop1.hm.net.br> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.6; i386-portbld-freebsd9.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1; boundary="Sig_/qhNzNQHaVcDhCkuXaEj3FOu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-296.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL=-1.106,BAYES_00=-1.9,DKIM_SIGNED=0.1,DKIM_VALID=-0.1,DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1,RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449,RCVD_IN_PBL=3.335,RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.31,SPF_PASS=-0.001,TW_XF=0.077,USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST=-100,USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST=-100,USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100 msrv.matik.com.br 1181; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 [127.0.0.11] [1 mail.matik.com.br.] [127.0.0.6] [127.0.0.2] [187.95.0.181] autolearn=no ASN AS28573 189.7.36.0/22 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2-hm_201202.c (2011-06-06) on msrv.matik.com.br Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2/3D rendering cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 14:24:46 -0000 --Sig_/qhNzNQHaVcDhCkuXaEj3FOu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Em Fri, 27 Jul 2012 06:49:23 -0600 (MDT) Warren Block escreveu: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2012, joaoBR wrote: >=20 > >>> well all ati cards are PCIe and are supported, question is what > >>> capabilities they have with FreeBSD and new xorg-serevr > >> > >> UMS is used for cards up to the 4000 series, but the driver wants > >> KMS for newer cards. I mention PCIe because it may make a > >> difference, I also have PCI and AGP versions of various ATI cards. > >> > > > > do I understand this right? are you saying what you say "the driver > > wants" or that newer cards do understand KMS? > > > > for my understandings so far is no point to use xorg-server > > WITH_KMS (for ati) since ati cards are still not working with it >=20 > For 4000- or lower series cards, the radeon driver still can use UMS, > or KMS if available. For 5000- and higher series cards, KMS is > required for either 3D acceleration (a few cards) or to work at all. > Later versions of the driver may remove UMS support for all cards, > which will make them useless until FreeBSD has ATI KMS support. >=20 thanks for clarification in other words, the DRIVER requires KMS but since it is not available for any ATI card so far, it still is useless for ATI users. It only still works because the driver still accept UMS. what eventually means that ATI users should not upgrade to newer xorg until this situation change >=20 > > I think DontZap makes no sense anymore because it does not zap > > anymore with either setting ... does it work for you? >=20 > Yes, but only because 'setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp' is > in my .xinitrc. Default is to have the option enabled but no key set > to activate it. >=20 I will check this out >=20 > > so last question, kind of useless but do you use kde4? Is openGL > > (DesktopEffects) enabled and running fine? >=20 > No, I don't use KDE, it's just too much for me. xfce4 with > compositing enabled so windows to go transparent when dragging. well, not so bad at all, xRender does transparency in KDE4 :) thanks! --=20 Jo=E3o Martins (JoaoBR) Infomatik Development Team http://wipserver.matik.com.br +55 11 4249.2222 --Sig_/qhNzNQHaVcDhCkuXaEj3FOu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAlASpKEACgkQCmIEQLX9sjqt0QCcDJKCQvrcSr/GU+ZDzAzNX725 VqgAn2T9D87WSG0NWFBLPlzhL0r9iCEU =1Ro5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/qhNzNQHaVcDhCkuXaEj3FOu--