From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Mon Mar 30 03:15:42 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FF426FAAF for ; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 03:15:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebecca@bsdio.com) Received: from out02.mta.xmission.com (out02.mta.xmission.com [166.70.13.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48rHds2V42z49j2; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 03:15:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rebecca@bsdio.com) Received: from in02.mta.xmission.com ([166.70.13.52]) by out02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jIktQ-0002Vf-D2; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:15:16 -0600 Received: from mta4.zcs.xmission.com ([166.70.13.68]) by in02.mta.xmission.com with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1jIktP-0003rM-K7; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:15:16 -0600 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta4.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A34500963; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:15:15 -0600 (MDT) X-Amavis-Modified: Mail body modified (using disclaimer) - mta4.zcs.xmission.com Received: from mta4.zcs.xmission.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta4.zcs.xmission.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id T0mxOZo2zmSI; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [10.0.10.145] (c-174-52-16-57.hsd1.ut.comcast.net [174.52.16.57]) by mta4.zcs.xmission.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3130650069C; Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Rebecca Cran Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 21:15:14 -0600 Message-Id: <4C050E22-E571-47ED-87A1-FE1BAC69A073@bsdio.com> References: <18df34fe-6256-6e68-ead5-481e83a501fe@freebsd.org> Cc: "Simon J. 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But at the moment how often do users mount the ESP and update loader.efi on i= t? So it seems it rarely _needs_ to be updated at the moment. =E2=80=94=20 Rebecca Cran=20=