From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 16 07:39:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6E61065675 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (gate6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCC1B8FC16 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:39:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from lack-of-gravitas.thebunker.net (gateway.ash.thebunker.net [213.129.64.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m8G7cxuJ036711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:39:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.7.1 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk m8G7cxuJ036711 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=200708; t=1221550746; bh=FPfmcV31qAVAQN XOhwbc2KRlEDWJzid7gNJpjxqmDzo=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version: To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<48CF6292.7 050909@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Tue,=2016=20Sep=202008=2008: 38:58=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20|Organization:=20Infracaninophile|User-Agent:=20Thunderbird= 202.0.0.16=20(X11/20080811)|MIME-Version:=201.0|To:=20Mark=20Linimo n=20|CC:=20Andrew=20Snow=20,=20Jo=20Rhett=20,=20=0D=0A=20freebsd-s table=20|Subject:=20Re:=20Upcoming=20Re leases=20Schedule...|References:=20<1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer .cse.buffalo.edu>=09<593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconson ance.com>=09=09<20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org>=09=09<47d0403c0809051319r3c82 f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com>=09=09<2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4 D@netconsonance.com>=09<48CF5282.10608@modulus.org>=20<200809160656 57.GB12295@soaustin.net>|In-Reply-To:=20<20080916065657.GB12295@soa ustin.net>|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95.6|X-Enigmail-Version:=200.95. 6|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=20charset=3DUTF-8=3B=20format=3Dflo wed|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=207bit; b=OqLDm+Cm5owU0pgBwrvn35qpm5 yiqUtsmvDVDNH33diGC73ej1NawK0AA8BGGxavmhhM62fLldsxCqzduGG4rEOrSCSSW 5/ERwRF5JmvCYnTDNCYYaN/ogxI8WtpeRVZVoMav5L1iZgdGmGkMgxsX7Nh+MS3+tWW Rablia/Osw8= Message-ID: <48CF6292.7050909@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:38:58 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <1219409496.10487.22.camel@bauer.cse.buffalo.edu> <593618A3-56DA-4891-A4A0-690E9A9C5B32@netconsonance.com> <20080904133604.GB1188@atarininja.org> <47d0403c0809051319r3c82f87bhdb15ce5b0167987a@mail.gmail.com> <2742CAB1-8FF2-425D-A3B6-0658D7DB8F4D@netconsonance.com> <48CF5282.10608@modulus.org> <20080916065657.GB12295@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20080916065657.GB12295@soaustin.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.187.76.162]); Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:39:06 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8256/Tue Sep 16 05:47:01 2008 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VERIFIED,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Jo Rhett , freebsd-stable , Andrew Snow Subject: Re: Upcoming Releases Schedule... X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:39:17 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Mark Linimon wrote: | On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 04:30:26PM +1000, Andrew Snow wrote: |> I think FreeBSD is getting in a difficult position now because there's |> so much cool new stuff being shoe-horned in, but without the necessary |> volume of contributors to back it up with testing and bug fixes. | | We're interested in suggestions about how to get more people involved | with testing and bug fixes. | | There's certainly no lack of demand for the features -- all the way from | running on inexpensive wireless routers all the way up to 'enterprise- | grade' distributed storage solutions. (These are real examples from | various mailing lists.) | | So, in your opinion, what's the way to reconcile all these demands | (features + stability + long-term support of release branches) with | a group that is 95%-plus volunteer effort? I think that the FreeBSD project as presently constituted does pretty well on the 'features + stability' side of things -- although it seems the glut of new features coming in at the moment probably is enough for the time being and we need a period of consolidation to restore the balance on the stability side of things. On 'long term support of release branches' -- a volunteer project is always going to struggle to provide this without some form of income to support the necessary hardware and personnel resources needed. Or in other words, if FreeBSD users want the same sort of support structure as they can get from a commercial vendor, it's going to take a commercial vendor to supply it. FreeBSD Corporation anyone? Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. Flat 3 ~ 7 Priory Courtyard PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate ~ Kent, CT11 9PW, UK -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREDAAYFAkjPYpIACgkQ3jDkPpsZ+VbD6gCgwjuVsjPXx9sOc+MzI5yhiG4J XzMAn1wVNZJamCpJejL7WZsjwZ/C8bIF =QnBp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----