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Date:      Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:37:10 +0100
From:      Brad Knowles <blk@skynet.be>
To:        Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net>
Cc:        FreeBSD Current <freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th
Message-ID:  <v04220800b49b7152a696@[195.238.19.145]>
In-Reply-To: <E126N36-000AoN-00@rip.psg.com>
References:  <E126MWe-000AcI-00@rip.psg.com> <20000106190528.F1293@ns1.arch.bellsouth.net> <E126N36-000AoN-00@rip.psg.com>

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At 4:14 PM -0800 2000/1/6, Randy Bush wrote:

>  my point is that we can only wait politely and appreciatively for the kame
>  folk to continue their work to a point where it is more fully rounded.
>  until then, we should not forget that other features are also driving the
>  4.0 release train.

	I'd like to point out that if full IPv6 or IPSec support isn't 
ready for us within this timeframe, I highly doubt that it's going to 
be ready for anyone else in that same timeframe.  On that basis, if 
anyone else ships with any support for IPv6 or IPSec, it's likely to 
be incomplete, buggy, and probably cause more problems than it's 
worth.

	If there is not even a snowball's chance in Hell that these 
things will be ready in the timeframe we're going to do 4.0-RELEASE 
in, then we should go ahead and not wait for them, and instead 
integrate them in under 4.1-RELEASE, or whenever they're actually 
ready.


	If there is something that kinda, semi, sorta works today, then 
it should either be a port or you should at least be able to get the 
source and put it on the system and get it to compile and install 
yourself, right?

	How is this any different than if we ship sendmail 8.9.3 as the 
default MTA today, but if you want to go get and use postfix instead, 
you're welcome to do so?

-- 
   These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy
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