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Date:      Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:34:37 +1000
From:      Danny <dannyh@idx.com.au>
To:        "gh" <grasshacker@linkfast.net>, <questions@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: Atheists Manifesto
Message-ID:  <00042112361001.00372@freebsd.freebsd.org>
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The person that wrote this below must have some thing  wrong with him/her
How can this bible revolations etc have anyting to do with FreeBSD

On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, gh wrote:
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> Please contact me at
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> Note: I have been meaning to write something like
> this for a while. Thanks for taking the
> initiative.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> |
> |  We live in a world full of Gods.  Many
> different cultures have many
> | different Gods.  There are two classes of Gods.
> The Gods of the past, which
> | usually come in groups, which were generally
> used to explain things that the
> | people did not understand.  From the roaming
> patterns of buffalo, to
> | lightning and echos, people have made up stories
> to explain things they did
> | not understand, because ignorance of a subject
> leads to fear of it.  Lack of
> | knowlege can be frightening.  Still, the people
> of today look back at these
> | anchient religions and call them "myths".  They
> chuckle when they think of
> | the ignorance required to believe that the sun
> is a God's Chariot.
> |
> |  This brings us to the Gods of the present.
> Today's religions are commonly
> | Monotheistic, relying on the belief of a single
> all powerful God.  Today's
> | Gods usually provide us with two messages.  One
> is a social code which lays
> | out a model of society for people to abide by.
> The other is a explination
> | of the fundamental questions which people tend
> to ask.  "Where did we come
> | from ?"  "Why are we here ?" and "What happens
> when we die ?".  None of
> | these questions can be answered to anyone's true
> satisfaction.  Ignorance
> | creates insecurity, therefore the people need to
> find a way to fill in this
> | gap in their knowlege.  The most common religion
> in the world today is
> | Christianity and it's derivitives (Catholicism,
> Mormon, Islam, etc).
> | Christianity provides the social code, and it
> also fills in the gaps in our
> | knowlege, explaining the answers to these
> questions via the written and
> | translated stories of people who lived 2000
> years ago.
> |
> |  What kind of people existed 2000 years ago ?
> By our standards today, they
> | were ignorant, violent, socially obtuse, and
> worse.  They treated women as
> | objects, and slavery for both sex and labor was
> common.  The people of this
> | era were far less advanced than the Greeks,
> who's beliefs we laugh at today.
> | And yet, some how, the words, stories, and
> beliefs of these people are taken
> | as absolute fact by millions of people all over
> the world today.
> | Christianity speaks of Jesus of Nazerith, the
> Christ, the son of God, who
> | was born of a virgin, and walked about the
> people of the time and performed
> | miracles and preached the word of God.  Because
> of the historical impact of
> | the man referred to, one can hardly deny that a
> man named Jesus of Nazerith
> | exists, however, in order to believe the rest of
> his tale, you must take the
> | word of ignorant people  of the past as fact
> with no proof, evidence, or
> | other information.  This is commonly referred to
> as "blind faith".
> |
> |  Millions of people choose to dedicate hours,
> days, and years of their life
> | worshipping this Christian God.  They are so
> certain that these people of
> | the past, whom they probably aren't even
> decended from, are speaking the
> | truth, that they are willing to devote their
> entire lives to this "story".
> | They believe in a God, who in the past performed
> many many miracles, but for
> | some reason has decided to discontinue his
> supernatural behaviors.  God no
> | longer comes to earth and speaks with men, as he
> did in the past.
> |
> |  Why is it people are blind to the fact that
> they are emulating the same
> | behaviors they criticize the Greeks, American
> Indians, and others for ?  How
> | can anyone honestly take this 2000 year old
> story as fact, with no evidence,
> | and devote thier entire lives to it ?  I would
> like to put forth my theory
> | on that subject.
> |
> |  As we've estabished, the people of today have
> the same types of
> | insecurities that need "explaining".  The fear
> of death has made men invent
> | the world of spirituality.  The idea that when
> one dies, that is the end;
> | that one's bones go into the ground and
> decompose, is too frightening or
> | depressing to people.  So instead, they have to
> believe that some part of
> | them is immortal.  That they can always live on
> in some form or another.  I
> | call this an emotional crutch.  It's a way of
> dealing with one's
> | insecurities about our lives.  It makes us feel
> important, like we're
> | something more than a street sweeper, or garbage
> collector.  We're all
> | immortal souls with a much more glorious future
> ahead of us.  This emotional
> | crutch helps many people get through the day
> with a little self esteem and
> | hope, and I don't begrudge them their crutch.
> What I do disagree with is
> | the ignorance, but I would not be one to demand
> that others give up their
> | emotional crutches in the name of enlightenment.
> I believe that enforcing
> | your beliefs on another person, especially
> beliefs based solely on blind
> | faith, to be the highest crime one human can do
> to another, short of taking
> | their life.
> |
> |  So if we, the atheist, are going to allow the
> street sweeper to believe,
> | and we're going to choose not to believe, then
> what is the problem ?  What
> | is the purpose of this manefesto ?  I believe
> that atheists are condemned by
> | the majority of the population.  Those of us who
> are secure enough in our
> | own existance, and who feel that the 70 plus or
> minus 5 years on this earth
> | is all we have, are treated like unholy fools.
> Those who will be punished
> | in the afterlife.  Those who are infected with
> this mental epidemic tend to
> | react to the atheist in one of several ways.
> One way is to try to convert
> | or convince the atheist that the 2000 year old
> story is true, and that the
> | atheist needs to change his/her ways, lest they
> face eternal hellfire.  The
> | second way is to simply exclude and disassociate
> from the atheist, perhaps
> | making comments about the "poor" soul to other
> believers.
> |
> |  You'll notice I referred to religion as a
> mental epidemic.  Many believers
> | take this as an insult.  I label religion such,
> because of certain behaviors
> | that today's "evolved" religions have.
> |
> |  (1) Questioning the religion's validity, asking
> for proof, expressing
> | skepticism, etc, are all considered to be "sins"
> or crimes under the
> | religion.  In other words, independant, logical,
> unbiased thought are not
> | allowed.  Back in the earlier times when the
> followers were a little more
> | "rabid" people were burned to death for
> expressing such ideas.
> |
> |  (2) Religion is taught to children at a VERY
> young age.  Basically, from
> | kindergarden to adulthood, a believing parent is
> supposed to enroll the
> | child in some kind of religous program like
> Sunday School.  The reason for
> | this is to expose the child to religion at an
> early age, before rational
> | logical thought develops.  This way, the child
> grows up with religion, so
> | that any thoughts, ideas, concepts of atheism or
> disbelief are completely
> | alien to them.  An analigous example would be
> Hitler's Youth.  Hitler also
> | knew this concept well.  If you wish to spread
> an idea, and have it safe
> | from independant or radical thought, ingrain it
> in the children before they
> | can reason.  Today's religions have it down to a
> science, with songs,
> | videos, and activities designed to make the
> child a believer before they
> | truly even understand what God is.  If people
> waited until age 13-15 before
> | introducing religion to their children, so that
> the children could
> | rationally decide if this was what they wanted
> to believe, religion would
> | not be such a wide spread epidemic.
> |
> |  (3) Religions instruct their people to attempt
> to convert (or in some
> | radical cases, kill) any disbelievers.  The
> kinder, more passive religions
> | will simply ask their congregation to bring new
> people into the church every
> | week.  Once a person visits the church once or
> twice, the church has them
> | added to their mailing and phone lists.  They
> attempt to get the person to
> | regularly attend.  Then they attempt to get the
> person to participate in a
> | ritual, such as baptism or confession.  These
> are relatively benign
> | activities, and usually can only trap the weak
> minded.  The more "active"
> | religions send people out to visit your home.
> They want to come in and talk
> | to you about god and convince you that the 2000
> year old story is true
> | (because they say it is).  They run commercials,
> and give your free
> | literature or free copies of the bible.  They'll
> do anything to convert you
> | to their way.  Why ?  Because their religion
> specifies it.
> |
> |  (4) Religion requires that you disbelieve
> anything scientific that might
> | possibly contradict the religion.  We've all
> seen and heard religous people
> | sit and argue about how the entire sciences of
> Biology, Genetics, and
> | Physics are just plain wrong, because the 2000
> year old story contradicts
> | it.
> |
> |  (5) Religion covers every base.  No matter what
> kind of argument or
> | evidence you can bring up to attempt to
> contradict religion, the believer
> | can always simply make up a little story or
> "possibility" of how God, using
> | his supernatural powers, can simply have "made
> it that way".  Take for
> | instance the Dinosaurs.  Either they didn't
> exist, and the bones "are really
> | from contemporary animals, which are being
> fitted together incorrectly to
> | look like a creature that never existed", or
> "God put those bones down
> | there."  No one knows why.  Or how about how we
> are all decended from Adam
> | and Eve ?  Adam and Eve must not have truely
> been human, or mankind would
> | have died from inbred genetic diseases
> (insufficeient gene pool), after the
> | first couple hundred generations.  And how did
> those people in the bible
> | live for hundreds of years ?  Were the laws of
> physics and the nature of
> | human biology that different back then ?
> Religion fields these questions
> | with ease.  "God made it that way".  "It's all
> part of God's plan".
> |
> |
> |  Beyond the grievences I have as an atheist
> living in a belief based
> | society, I also have grievences as a human
> being.  I have a personal care
> | and interest in the well-being of my species.  I
> would like to see mankind
> | reach out into space, establish colonies on
> other planets and systems.
> | Become something more than the proverbial 2 day
> mold on a piece of bread
> | (before it is thrown out), before conditions in
> our solar system change and
> | erase us from existance.  Truthfully, everyone
> should care about mankind's
> | development.  The problem is this.  The
> religions are "anti-science" in many
> | respects.  There are many things, like cloning,
> which we should not do
> | because that is God's territory.  "Playing God"
> is not allowed.  Add that to
> | the fact that many of man's best minds, people
> who could be possible
> | Einsteins of certain fields, are robbed of their
> potential because they are
> | infected with this mental disease.  If John Doe
> grows up believing that
> | evolution, biology and genetics are in conflict
> with his religion, he
> | certainly wouldn't excersize the possibility
> that maybe he would have become
> | one of the best Geneticists in the history of
> the science.  Not only that,
> | but those who don't believe, and wish to advance
> mankind's knowlege are
> | restrained by the believers.  They are forced to
> move at a slow enough pace
> | so that the religions can readjust, reevaluate,
> and reinterpret the words of
> | their religion so that they don't reach a point
> in which they cannot explain
> | how their religion can be true with science
> showing the oppisite.  Then
> | there are such fanatics who spend every waking
> hour worshiping God, to the
> | point which they're throwing away the most
> valuable thing they own.  Life.
> | Real life, here on earth.  One only has so much
> time.  If one spends all of
> | that time trying to get ahead on the "next"
> life, they are throwing this
> | life away, and not contributing to the society
> and species as a whole.
> | Religion is a serious drain on mankind's most
> important resources, manpower
> | and time.  And no matter how much science proves
> that the world is 4 billion
> | years old and not 15,000 years old, and that the
> universe was formed through
> | the mixing and spreading of elements, and not by
> the wave of a magic wand,
> | and no matter how many times scientists try to
> show that life on earth was
> | formed by the interactions of nucleic acids (and
> it still is every day),
> | it's absolutely impossible to convince a
> believer that the simplest answer
> | is the correct answer.  The world is as it
> seems.  There is no second world,
> | second life, greater power, or magic that makes
> it all possible.  And it's
> | sad, because we need every one of those
> believers with us, here on earth,
> | helping out, not praying in some church or
> temple in front of some clown in
> | a suit or fancy religious outfit.
> |
> |  I am an atheist.  I live in a world full of
> people, blind to their own
> | ignorance, dedicated to a 2000 year old story
> written by people who's
> | intellect doesn't even compare to an 8th grader.
> I have to live with these
> | people, respect thier beliefs, and endure their
> constant attempts to convert
> | me into one of their ilk.  I have to watch as
> millions of man-years go down
> | the drain, wasted away in foolishness.  I watch
> as other atheists have to
> | hide their beliefs, to avoid being condemned by
> the believers and ostrasized
> | from society.  But as I'm watching, I'm waiting.
> I see with every
> | generation, more and more people are simply
> "going through the motions".
> | They take part in the process, but they don't
> really believe in it.  They
> | simply do what is expected of them.  Soon, they
> reach a certain age or time
> | in their life in which they no longer attend the
> church, but they "still
> | believe".  They don't pray anymore but they
> "still believe".  They go about
> | living their real lives, pretending to
> themselves and others that they
> | believe.  These are a kind of "Casual
> Christians".  This behavior shows the
> | deterioration of the true believers as a whole.
> A pattern author Frank
> | Herbert referred to as "rot at the core".  As
> parents become more and more
> | lax about their own religious patterns, they
> begin to spare their children
> | the foolishness of church and Sunday School.
> Slowly the religious base of
> | mankind is deteriorating.  People are giving
> less and less credability to
> | the 2000 year old story, as they grow up in a
> world of computers, cloning,
> | genetic therapy, and microbiology.  It's only a
> matter of time until,
> | hopefully, enough of us break free of this
> mental disease and begin to live
> | life for the here and now and not to please some
> imaginary God in order to
> | gain entrance to some fantasy land.  I am not
> alone.  Talking privately with
> | many others of my generation, I know I'm not the
> only one who thinks
> | religious people are foolish.  While most will
> tell an adult they believe in
> | God, it's simply because they don't want to
> experience the social punishment
> | of being a disbeliever.  So we watch and wait.
> Wait for the world to wake
> | up from this 2000 year old dream.  Some day
> people will look back on
> | Christianity the same way people look back at
> Zeus and Apollo.  They'll ask
> | how a people who've mastered genetics,
> computers, atomic physics, etc, can
> | possibly believe in such childish nonsense.  The
> answer is, most of us
> | don't, we're just afraid to admit it, because
> we've seen what kind of
> | violence the rabid religious can bring forth
> when their beliefs are
> | threatened.  So rather than rising against
> religion and preaching against
> | it, we watch and wait for it to die of apathy.
> If we're wrong, we'll be
> | condemned to hell for all eternity.  If the
> religious are wrong, then
> | they'll have thrown away the single most
> valuable thing they possess.  Their
> | life.  I am an atheist.  This is my manifesto.
> It is the first step in
> | curing the disease.
> |
> |
> |
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