From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 12 15:57:30 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F39CD0 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:57:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bdrewery@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206c::16:87]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC46E0D for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.6/8.14.6) with ESMTP id r0CFvUHR081114 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:57:30 GMT (envelope-from bdrewery@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from bdrewery@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.6/8.14.6/Submit) id r0CFvUaR081113 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:57:30 GMT (envelope-from bdrewery) Received: (qmail 45721 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2013 09:57:28 -0600 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.0.115?) (freebsd@shatow.net@10.10.0.115) by sweb.xzibition.com with ESMTPA; 12 Jan 2013 09:57:28 -0600 Message-ID: <50F187DC.2070804@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 09:57:16 -0600 From: Bryan Drewery Organization: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Removal of Portmanager References: <20130112120748.61c8e103@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20130112120748.61c8e103@gumby.homeunix.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 OpenPGP: id=3C9B0CF9; url=http://www.shatow.net/bryan/bryan.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="----enig2MBACDIMQAQJMUKGEFRGW" X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:57:30 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) ------enig2MBACDIMQAQJMUKGEFRGW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 1/12/2013 6:07 AM, RW wrote: > "Does not support modern ports features such as MOVED, is lacking > upstream and active contributions, and does not support pkgng. > Consider using ports-mgmt/portmaster, ports-mgmt/portupgrade or > pkgng." >=20 > These seem more like bogus excuses than reasons. >=20 > Portmanager doesn't need MOVED, and the author chose not to support > it. There's no compelling reason for portmanager users to switch to > pkgng which may well be the reason no-one has done anything. >=20 > The logical time to remove portmanager is when there are no supported > releases with support for the old package tools - if it's not been > patched to support pkgng by then. I do agree that harmless working ports should remain left untouched. However, portmanager has lacked contributions for years now, while the ports framework and goals have moved on. Yes pkgng is not default today, but it will be someday, and pkg_install support will be removed. At that time portmanager will stop working completely. Better to migrate now to another tool. When pkgng does become default, you won't care as much as the tool will just work the same as before. The other reasons listed do matter as it lessens the overall user experience of FreeBSD ports, if the tool you are using doesn't actually utilize the framework fully or correctly. If someone wants to step up and maintain and contribute to portmanager please do; we can re-add it at any time. Ps. This is coming from the person who got involved with FreeBSD when I was saddened to see portupgrade deprecated. Now it is maintained and properly handling various ports features. Regards, Bryan Drewery ------enig2MBACDIMQAQJMUKGEFRGW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQ8YfcAAoJEG54KsA8mwz55ogP/2z3RwLw7cTvckcBgIXZGPZv MkwVT2Bn0dax6WcoTd1VjLcOMi0SeAwfIYbJ/53Qe+EYmmnI6ZYr9dgJyISEpAaw tD9fZymh7SHJqf5O3fiyEr0NNbx4Dz19IPdSxF/QPYF5eBb7+4+e6QZlX40SgA1r MrcfkfBt4doiMFdnDfwUsSDCuNEWktnMwhWBkaib6w1gESIb/dqN/bxk4091L7Ut /KmjDrCbF680oPbt8fb8g+NPAPgFxnoLWAKsyg8W7qhNKjrygNl9HC2qwBSwoeSJ hs/5T8wzgjRaulN1etU+jy1DTaGT52uHE+PIEqVUl3pIAANngzUrkBh9YFPsXune +9rjtSpyZmHa7mLaYJUw+lJLQtIdx5J7+k8P+x3du1ukXH1nZNjZv2DpV9qdOUwW ICasx3M/HD/Ve5q79OyY7G0pgLY0I70H3DY0XWR2YxkQhfDR1+H/9nmFWG+gjJiy +A3RkcBw6iFHApjMJ6DUzOWUH69GTYg3i4b69rHyKcGNcMjXAs/Fh+nSJfqQm5nW xi+cilt1s9Yqtfyh9YeeAx2sQRNbAnM8szOhEDYgilHqUWA0wjwRM/ci1z6LV1Gg In53DMCcz1id7OQKE0t/Z0cIYugM2F7Xe+W5hzLLvcv+jR1bgE/2QQcQrEujM0dv 1rMP6rzN9pXIHhBzsguy =Lbv/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------enig2MBACDIMQAQJMUKGEFRGW--