From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Nov 18 15: 6: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B80937B404 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from vienna9.his.com (vienna9.his.com [216.200.68.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ABEB43E97 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [146.106.12.76] (shub@[127.0.0.1]) by vienna9.his.com (8.11.6/8.10.1) with ESMTP id gAIN5rf24191; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:05:54 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20021117200529.S23359-100000@hub.org> References: <20021117200529.S23359-100000@hub.org> X-Grok: +++ath X-WebTV-Stationery: Standard; BGColor=black; TextColor=black Reply-By: Wed, 1 Jan 1984 12:34:56 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 23:06:51 +0100 To: "Marc G. Fournier" From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Server or Desktop OS? Cc: Anthony Atkielski , FreeBSD Chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 8:08 PM -0400 2002/11/17, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > Exactly, but if there is not sufficient support for those willing to do > that effort, it makes it very difficult ... that's why I think there > almost might need to be a stable-qa list that some of us can have a more > focused ear of the developers on ... not for build related issues, only > stability related ... if I can't build the system, I don't install it, I > just wait a few days and try again ... To ensure that the signal/noise ratio is kept to reasonable levels, the stable-qa and current-qa lists should be reserved for people who are willing to commit extra time and resources to actually properly debugging things (which I believe I am willing and able to do, and sounds like you are as well), and there should be a similar commitment from the people writing the code. IMO, if we could make a closed pair of lists for this sort of thing, I believe that the developers would be much more willing to work with us. In essence, what we're talking about is something akin to the level of commitment and involvement you'd get from someone if they were to get commit privileges to the source tree, only that person would be doing testing and debugging as opposed to development. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message