Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:45:57 -0600 From: "@lbutlr" <kremels@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD Cert Message-ID: <8B745BDF-24B5-4CEC-8665-7C553B74B3B4@kreme.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXk=zkz8debOhn4B5hBuVkfxQYANKzAvG4ZH8j8S5q4A6A@mail.gmail.com> References: <CY4PR19MB165585A7D4670DC49DB5523AF9B10@CY4PR19MB1655.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <626d9ab4-b00b-6112-8697-ea972eceb5b2@heuristicsystems.com.au> <CY4PR19MB0104A96DFD1E7341E18A65D4F98C0@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <8696720e-3c03-8ffa-6b2c-4c4c98772a49@FreeBSD.org> <CY4PR19MB0104E969DF526271C147614AF98C0@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <CY4PR19MB01048E1DAB5926767102192CF98C0@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200531005421.8f845320.freebsd@edvax.de> <CY4PR19MB0104BA01C861C5788EFB7D12F98C0@CY4PR19MB0104.namprd19.prod.outlook.com> <20200531034231.5a6a7092@archlinux> <CAGBxaXk=zkz8debOhn4B5hBuVkfxQYANKzAvG4ZH8j8S5q4A6A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 30 May 2020, at 20:16, Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> = wrote: > Just a general comment on the "no top posting" "rule" that FreeBSD has = no one else has such a rule It is not a rule per se, and it is not unique to this mailing list. Most = mailing list and newsgroups encourage trimming posts (as I did) and = replying in line (as I am) as it makes posts much easier to read and to = follow, especially when looking at archived posts. > and many mail clients do top posting by default That is because Microsoft decide this was a great idea and then many = companies and vendors wrote software that relied on top posting for the = CSR systems. When you are having a conversation type exchange it is much = better to interleave your comments. This dates back decades, and = predates Windows' existence. > and make interleaving non-trivial (such OP's it appears). = Additionally there is enough top posting being done on today's Internet = that everyone should be familiar with it and know how to read it in = context. The issue is knowing what particular part of a post is being referred = to. Imagine if that line was at the top of this post. Would you have ANY = idea what I was talking about? At all? But the tl;dr is that you follow the conventions of the group you are = in. If you go to a company that has a style guide for code, you follow = that style guide. Your format and comment code as that organization = decided. If you work for The New Yorker, you write co=C3=B6perate, = because that is their style. If your team is all saying jiff you are = probably going to need to start saying jiff. > So we might want to recommend interleaving but it should not be some = rule set in > stone It is not. But you will notice you get fewer replies if people see your = posts as hard to read. I know that I mostly ignore anything that is top = posted or sent with HTML styles ot attached images. And not just in this = mailing list, but pretty much across the board. O lee[ ,y computer in = dark mode, so when someone shoes yo enforce black text on a white = background, for example, I usually DELETE that post immediately since = the white background blinds me and affects my (poor) vision for several = minutes. So you are free to top post, but others are free to complain about you = top-posting. If you continue to top-post, you will get fewer replies. = But no one is going to come over and arrest you or fine you for = top-posting. > that will get any newbie flamed for not using it, talk about one way = to turn people off to FreeBSD quickly. That's your choice, but the standards for this newsgroup have nothing to = do with FreeBSD software, so that would be a very silly reason to stop = using it. But you be you. --=20 I believe you can joke about anything. -- George Carlin
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