From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue May 2 16:20:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (msb-ts-slip13.UMDNJ.EDU [130.219.28.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AC2B37BAEE for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 9836 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 23:20:43 -0000 Received: from localhost.abuselabs.com (HELO localhost) (missnglnk@127.0.0.1) by localhost.abuselabs.com with SMTP; 2 May 2000 23:20:43 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Travis Cole Cc: Jeremiah Gowdy , Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD and IRC In-Reply-To: <20000502000316.A24887@wcug.wwu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The point is that it isn't a help channel and we emphasize that every 3-5 minutes and everytime a question is asked. On Tue, 2 May 2000, Travis Cole wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 10:43:38PM -0700, Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > > > I happen to share an office at work with the guy who got flamed and > > > then kick banned on #FreeBSD. > > > > > > Yet another reason why I don't go to #FreeBSD any more. Its often > > > times distressing how people can instantly turn against you there. > > > > > > :( > > > > Once again, let me spell it out for you guys. #freebsdhelp > > Did you get that number ? Lemme share it again. #freebsdhelp. Just > > because people are in a freebsd chat channel does not mean they should have > > to endure massive amounts of repetitive questions. That's why there's a > > help channel. Get a clue or stop complaining. There's also > > www.defcon1.org, www.freebsd-howto.org, and www.freebsd.org/handbook > > There's plenty of help out there without abusing the knowlegable people on > > IRC, who want to come on IRC and talk to other knowlegable people without > > being plagued by beginners. Those who CHOOSE to share their knowlege and > > information with people are in #freebsdhelp. > > Well, the thing is neither I nor my coworker are FreeBSD or Unix > newbies by any means. We are professional Sysadmins for a rather > large internet company and are responsible for several hundred > unix hosts, including many (more than 30) FreeBSD web servers. > > My point being we are not clueless newbies asking lame questions which > are plainly documented in the FAQ or handbook. The answer to my > coworkers questions were not documented in the FAQ, Handbook, LINT > or any other remotely obvious place. Unfortunately the FreeBSD project > is a bit slow on documenting what hardware is supported (yeah, > I know I should quit bitching and help). So the only other way to answer > such a question (is hardware product X supported) is to search the commit > logs, which may or may not come up with your answer, grep the > source which is also imperfect, or ask someone who may know because > they are a member of the project (yes, also imperfect). > > #FreeBSD seems like a natural place to ask such a question since > many project members spend time there. > > But that assumption is apparently quite wrong. > > Sorry, I won't make the mistake of asking questions on #FreeBSD no > matter how intelligent or stupid they may be. > > Just a bit annoyed how people seem to assume one is a total Unix > of FreeBSD newbie moron if they ask questions. Not just dumb > questions, questions, any questions at all. > > -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message