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Date:      Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:33:59 -0700
From:      Scott Long <scottl@samsco.org>
To:        Borja Marcos <borjam@sarenet.es>
Cc:        FreeBSD Filesystems <freebsd-fs@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: RFC: Suggesting ZFS "best practices" in FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <565CB55B-9A75-47F4-A88B-18FA8556E6A2@samsco.org>
In-Reply-To: <314B600D-E8E6-4300-B60F-33D5FA5A39CF@sarenet.es>
References:  <314B600D-E8E6-4300-B60F-33D5FA5A39CF@sarenet.es>

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On Jan 22, 2013, at 4:03 AM, Borja Marcos <borjam@sarenet.es> wrote:

> (Scott, I hope you don't mind to be CC'd, I'm not sure you read the =
-FS mailing list, and this is a SCSI//FS issue)
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Hi :)
>=20
> Hope nobody will hate me too much, but ZFS usage under FreeBSD is =
still chaotic. We badly need a well proven "doctrine" in order to avoid =
problems. Especially, we need to avoid the braindead Linux HOWTO-esque =
crap of endless commands for which no rationale is offered at all, and =
which mix personal preferences and even misconceptions as "advice" (I =
saw one of those howtos which suggested disabling checksums "because =
they are useless").
>=20
> ZFS is a very different beast from other filesystems, and the setup =
can involve some non-obvious decisions. Worse, Windows oriented server =
vendors insist on bundling servers with crappy raid controllers which =
tend to make things worse.
>=20
> Since I've been using ZFS on FreeBSD (from the first versions) I have =
noticed several serious problems. I try to explain some of them, and my =
suggestions for a solution. We should collect more use cases and issues =
and try to reach a consensus.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> 1- Dynamic disk naming -> We should use static naming (GPT labels, for =
instance)
>=20
> ZFS was born in a system with static device naming (Solaris). When you =
plug a disk it gets a fixed name. As far as I know, at least from my =
experience with Sun boxes, c1t3d12 is always c1t3d12. FreeBSD's dynamic =
naming can be very problematic.
>=20

Look up SCSI device wiring in /sys/conf/NOTES.  That's one solution to =
static naming, just with a slightly different angle than Solaris.  I do =
agree with your general thesis here, and either wiring should be made a =
much more visible and documented feature, or a new mechanism should be =
developed to provide naming stability.  Please let me know what you =
think of the wiring mechanic.
>=20
>=20
> 2- RAID cards.
>=20
> Simply: Avoid them like the pest. ZFS is designed to operate on bare =
disks. And it does an amazingly good job. Any additional software layer =
you add on top will compromise it. I have had bad experiences with "mfi" =
and "aac" cards.=20
>=20

Agree 200%.  Despite the best effort of sales and marketing people, RAID =
cards do not make good HBAs.  At best they add latency.  At worst, they =
add a lot of latency and extra failure modes.

Scott




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